WEBVTT - #268 Packers Unscripted: Peak Performances, Games 13-16 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:20.200 M Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.480 I am Mike Spofford. He is Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.680 to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.320 It's time to hit on the fourth and final of 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.640 our peak performances. Here we're talking about the fourth quarter 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:38.960 of the season, games thirteen through sixteen, certainly a fourth 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.720 quarter of the season that did not go as planned 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.440 for the Packers and because of that. Of the five 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.280 peak performances from this segment of the season, three of 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.960 them are from one game, the game in Cleveland, and 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.440 I'm talking about Brett Hunley against the Browns, Davante Adams 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.880 against the Browns, and then Trevor Davis as well. So 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.560 I don't know where you want to start with those three. Obviously, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.240 all three you were definitely standout performances in a game 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.440 that was a big victory at the time, was keeping 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.640 the Packers in the hunt with Aaron Rodgers coming back 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.679 against Carolina the following week. But um, one of these 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.480 three stick out to you the most as far as 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.520 the Browns game. First and foremost, Mike, one thing you 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.560 have to understand about me I'm a big movie guy. Okay, 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.640 you go, movie comes out, and all the build up 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.520 towards it, the trailers, the preview stories, all that, and 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.959 I used that introduction because I liken that a lot 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.480 to Trevor Davis's punt return in this game. For about 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.200 two months, we got the trailers, we got the reviews, 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.600 we had Ron Zook saying that Trevor Davis was close 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.000 to breaking one. A block here, a block, there, a flag, here, 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.160 a flag there. That was the game. I put all 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.399 my chips at the table, I said, I said, this 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.320 is it. This has got to be the game for 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.040 Trevor Davis. And gosh, Darnardy came through almost like a 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.680 compulsive gambler. Just continue to double down exactly exactly. I 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.560 kept I kept sticking with him. I kept sticking with him, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.400 and eventually it paid off. Had the ability the entire time. Uh, 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.440 And I think we've seen the speed. He has, great vision, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.400 I think, particularly on punt returns, his savvy nous. He 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.600 did have some issues with a couple of muff punts 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.280 in the preseason, but we didn't really see that much 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.680 during the regular season and this particular game, I just thought, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.160 you look at I think a sixty five yard return 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.840 this is what ultimately basically put him in the top 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.920 five for good in punt return average. I think he 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.919 finished the year third overall. Um. I just think when 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.799 you look at a confidence of a young player, this 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.760 is just so important to Trevor Davis because he has 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.560 all the tools to be an impact player both on 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.160 offense and special teams, and I think something like this 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.680 really is going to propel him going forward. So my 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.480 long introduction that is who uh that really stands out 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.320 to me coming out of this game. Yeah, Davis won 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.920 the NFC Special Teams Player of the Week award that week. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.359 He took that that late punt return at his own 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.080 ten yard line, dodged a bunch of guys, got some 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.520 really nice blocks sixty five yards, leaving the Packers only 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.960 twenty five yards to go to get that tying touch 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.320 down exact to get the game to overtime. And that 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.480 tying touched down then was the work of Brett Hunley 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.520 and Davante Adams with seventeen seconds left to uh to 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.280 get the game to ot and then of course they 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.120 hooked up also on the overtime touchdown pass the walk 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.200 off I don't know if you call it walk off 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.359 runoff of the tunnel, um, But but to go over 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.760 the other statistics there, Brett Hunley in this game thirty 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.919 five of forty six, obviously a lot of passing attempts 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.919 because the Packers were down, a couple of touchdowns there 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.880 in the second half, two and sixty five yards, three touchdowns, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.799 a one eleven point two passer rating, and then Adams 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.640 finishes the game with ten catches, eighty five yards and 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.520 two touchdowns, the two touchdowns coming at the end of 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.040 the fourth quarter and in overtime when he spun away 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.400 from the defense and UH and took at the distance. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.840 Obviously a big win for the Packers and UH and 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.600 really the culmination in a lot of ways of the 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.120 chemistry we had seen developing between Hunley and Adams over 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.960 the course of several weeks. Adams was really the go 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.000 to guy in the clutch here for Brett Hunley, and 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.640 he came through. It has so much about Davante Adams, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.440 Mike that his first Pro Bowl season comes in which 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.240 a year that he didn't have really Aaron Rodgers for 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.240 a majority of it. We can really break it down 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.480 five six games all told, so for him to become 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.560 that go to guy and to have that confidence with 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.919 Bret Hunley. Let's be honest here for a young quarterback 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.360 coming in trying to to to find a way, I 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.960 go back to two thousand thirteen, and you know, you 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.400 look like Jared Boykin stepped up when you had Matt 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.320 Flinn at quarterback. And sometimes you just have a chemistry 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.279 with a guy that just you know, is an overwhelming 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.640 sort of thing. And I just look at that performance 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.279 by Davante Adams late, I think for him to step 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.280 up the way he did in a critical time in 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.680 that ball game, and also give credit to Brett Hunley 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.239 for being consistent at a time in which there really 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:51.040 wasn't any margin for error down the stretch. Um, you 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.239 know it, really I thought Hunley showed an incredible amount 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.520 of moxie, and I thought Davante Adams showed why he's 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.120 a Pro Bowl receiver. It didn't matter if it was 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.839 Aaron Rodgers or Brett Hunley, he was gonna make plays, 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.240 and he did it consistently throughout the season. Yeah, it's 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.880 a very good point. We've got two other peak performances 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.080 from quarter number four to get to we will do 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.039 that after the breakback with moreen Packerds unscripted. Right after this, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.520 welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford Here West, Hodkoit's 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.320 over there in West. The last two Peak performances from 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.640 quarter number four and again I should remind fans if 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.560 you'd like to vote for your favorite the story, the highlights, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.560 everything is on packers dot com. You can cast your 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.760 vote in the poll on the Peak Performances page. The 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.800 last two Randall Cobb at Carolina seven catches eighty four 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.560 yards with a touchdown, and then defensive tackle Kenny Clark 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.800 against the Minnesota Vikings. He had two sacks, which gave 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.360 him four and a half acts over a four game 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.160 span late in the season. I'll start with Cobb at Carolina. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.200 I think the play obviously that stood out the most 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.160 was when he made himself an outlet for Aaron Rodgers 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.200 on a scrambled drill at the end of the first half, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.479 and then the move that he made to take to 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.560 get that into the end zone. There were three guys 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.359 who really had a chance to tackle him, and he 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.840 managed to uh to dodge one and split the other 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.680 two and get the ball across the goal line. Um. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.880 I know it wasn't the type of season Randall Cobb 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.240 was hoping for in a lot of way, as much 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.680 as it was for for the entire team, but he 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.640 still showed he can make a play once in a while. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.080 He really did. And this is such an interesting game 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.760 for a number well the first one, as I was 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.640 watching it from a hospital. The real peak performer was 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.760 my wife that day getting birth to our son. But 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.720 I watched the first quarter and then I had to 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.560 step away from it. And later that night I sat 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.359 down and watched it on game pass and I was 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.120 just blown away by Randall Cobb in this game. And 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.400 I think it was a reminder. As you said, it 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.320 wasn't the season Cobb wanted, no question about that, but 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.360 it's a reminder of how dynamic he can be. And 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.800 I just thought you talked the last segment. We talked 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.679 about Aaron bred Hunley and and Davonte Adams having that chemistry, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.400 the the ability for Rogers to step back in there 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.520 with Cobb and just like with Jordy Nelson just riding 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.120 a bike really um and being able to get back 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.760 into that rhythm. I just think, Cop, you have to 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.560 remember Mike at this point in the season, Packers were 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.120 having a real difficult time getting explosive place for the 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.680 passing game, and for Cobb to start off the way 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.960 he did in that contest, I thought really got them moving. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.680 With where the final score finished out and how the 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.480 game sort of turned in the second half, You forget, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.440 the Packers really did have a lot of momentum going 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.240 for them in the first half um and unfortunately it 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.960 wasn't enough. But for anyone that needed a reminder of 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.920 what kind of player Randall Cobb is, I thought that 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.160 this was the perfect embodiment of what he brings to 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.640 an offense. Yeah, and he was just inches away from 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.320 having a huge game because in the third quarter he 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.600 ran a steam route down the middle. He had beaten 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.520 his man, and unfortunately it was just a rusty Aaron 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.240 Rodgers who was a little short on the throw and 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.400 the throw got picked off. Otherwise that would have been 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.520 a probably a seventy four yard touchdown. He would have 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.800 been looking at a hundred and fifty yard game, maybe 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.160 even more than that with a couple of scores. So 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.080 just just that close, and if if Rogers is in 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.760 peak form himself, instead of coming back from two months off, 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.880 I think we would have seen we would have seen 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.600 a really big play that would have that would have 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.320 flipped that game. But turning the attention then to Kenny 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.600 Clark against Minnesota. This was a game. Obviously, the Packers 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.200 offense got shut out, the Minnesota Vikings were on their 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.560 way to a first round by in the playoffs and 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.080 all that. But the Packers defense on a cold night 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.679 at lambeau Field right around Christmas time, did a pretty 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.680 darn good job against case keenum in that Minnesota offense, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.640 holding them to just sixteen points. And Kenny Clark had 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.040 a lot to do with that. And this was a 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.440 guy boy when he came back from that ankle injury, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.880 ust he finished. He finished the season strong. Yeah, I 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.640 thought his season was over. He gets carted off the field. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.959 I believe that was against Baltimore, an unfortunate situation that unfolded. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.360 He ends up missing one game with a high ankle sprain. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.560 And you've seen guys that try to tough it out, Mike, 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.439 and it just really doesn't come together. You commend them 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.199 for their approach, but they just really aren't impactful. Kenny 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.280 Clark came back and was as good as he's ever been. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.120 During that final stretch, I believe there was one stat 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.800 that Nate lacas Are Packers pr Mayven came up with. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.400 I think it was or maybe it was Tom Fanning. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.880 I think he led the league in sacks, wasn't in 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.839 the December or something like that, four or four and 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.920 a half over that stretch. You forget that this is 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.199 a young man that did not have one before December, 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.320 and I remember how Clinton Dix and some other guys 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.920 lamenting the fact that, you know, surprised at it. You know, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.120 he hadn't had one yet because of how he'd been playing. Um, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.880 he finished the season so strong and really I think 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.319 when you break it down at the end of the day, 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.280 was the defensive m v P. You can make an 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:38.959 argument he was the m v P of the team 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.560 this year with how good he was against the run 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.280 shedding double teams, being able to get those sacks and 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.680 pressures from the inside. They have a great building blocking 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.120 Kenny Clark and he's still only what twenty two years old? 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.720 I mean, he has his best football ahead of him. Yeah, alright, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.520 So those are the five peak performances from quarter number 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.120 four of the season. Hunley Adams and Davis at Cleveland, 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.800 cobbat Carolina, and Kenny Clark against Minnesota. You gotta vote 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.800 for a favorite, you know, Davante Adams is probably the 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.000 one that should get this, but I'm gonna go with 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.480 Kenny Clark. And the reason why I say that is 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.480 because it this whole run he got on reminded me 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.680 of b J. Raji during his his rookie season to 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.000 some extent, but really during that Super Bowl season, his 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.760 second NFL year, how strong he came out at the 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.160 end and how that really catapulted and changed the defense. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.040 You can see what kind of impact it makes with it. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.720 And I think for that reason, keeping in mind the 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.800 two thousand eighteen season at that point is what they're 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.480 focused on, I think you really have to be satisfied 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.320 with what you got out of him down the stretch. Yeah, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.000 and I'll cast my vote for Davante Adams in Cleveland 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.800 because I want what you said about about Kenny Clark. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.640 You know, maybe he was the m v P of 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.560 the entire team. I think that's a vote between Clark 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.240 and Adams based on how went to so with that 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.000 will toss to a breakback with more and Packers unscripted. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:11:12.680 Right after this Welcome Back to Packers unscripted, Mike Spofford 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.600 in this chair, Wes Hodkowitz in that one. West, I 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.240 wanted to uh address a couple of things with regards 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.520 to the Hall of Fame, following up on Jerry Kramer's selection, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.800 which we talked about quite a bit in our last show, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.560 But in the interviews that I did on the NFL 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.800 Honors red carpet with Charles Woodson and with Sterling Sharp 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.679 and looking at the way things went with this particular 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.120 Hall of Fame class of it got me thinking about 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.600 a few different things in terms of, Okay, so Jerry 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.520 Kramer's in, what's next for the Packers as far as 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.360 the Hall of Fame is concerned? And three things come 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.120 to mind for me. One, will Charles Woodson be a 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.640 first ballot Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer, 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.840 He's going to get in. But we saw this year 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.000 brianer Lacker, Ray Lewis, Randy Moss all getting in their 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.920 first year of eligibility. Woodson will be eligible for the 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.120 first time in twenty one. I'm wondering if he's going 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.440 to be another first ballot guy. The other two issues, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:10.640 Leroy Butler, and Sterling Sharp. Butler, he became a semifinalist 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.880 for the first time this past year, and now over 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.440 the last couple of years, we've seen Kenny easily got 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.960 in via Senior Committee law Seattle safety from a long 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.920 time ago um and then Brian Dawkins played safety for 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.480 sixteen years in the NFL he got in in the 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.959 class of and over the last couple of years we've 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.400 seen John Lynch and Steve Attwater make the finalist stage. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.320 Safety is getting a little bit more attention. The other 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.920 thing getting a little more attention is guys with maybe 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.400 the injury shortened careers. Terrell Davis has gotten in. Now 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.480 Tony Basselli was a finalist and there was a lot 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.719 of there's a lot of push for Basselli. I think 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.360 the vote from what I'm reading, it sounds like the 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.640 vote was maybe pretty close for for him to get 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.079 into this Hall of Fame class. So then you wonder 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.000 does that open a door potentially for a guy like 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.679 Sterling Sharp, who only played seven seasons because as of injury, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.520 but led the NFL three times in receptions, twice in 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.400 receiving yards or no twice in touchdowns. Once in receiving yards. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.720 So those three issues, I've kind of been kicking them 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.079 around in my mind. Where do you want to start? Well, 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.320 I want to start with the Butler thing quickly because 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.400 we've touched on in the past, and and the only 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:18.960 point I want to make with Butler and I don't 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:20.880 want to come off as the squeaky wheel here. We 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.800 you know, Jerry Kramer's in, so that's plenty to be 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.080 happy about. But you know, I don't know what's going 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.120 to happen with Leroy. I'm not sure how this is 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.640 gonna play out. Um, and you know, we made the semifinals. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.000 He needs to get a run now. I think is 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.959 the finals being the next step getting his name into 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.960 that room on that conversation for for Pete Doherty from 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.680 the Green Bay Presscauseette to make that argument for him. 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.920 Here's the two things I want to point out with Butler. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.240 If John Lynch and Steve Atwater, and no disrespect to 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.240 either of them, congrats to John on the trade for 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:54.760 Jimmy Garoppolo, but no, but both of those guys are 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:59.360 great safeties. The fact that they've been finalists before Leroy 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:05.360 Butler has ever been a semifinals is still absolutely befuddling 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.480 to me. Go back and watch the Packers of those 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.480 mid to late nineties, Fritz Shermer's defenses come and I 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:17.480 commend Fritz Shermer for how he used LA. People didn't 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.840 use safeties that way at that time. He was playing 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.120 a role that is popular today. I just I still 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.880 to this day. And the two things hurting Larroy is 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.680 the fact that he didn't really move to safety until 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.760 his third season, and then he had the career ending 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.200 shoulder injury. If you had a little bit more time 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.400 on either side of it, I think he has a 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.440 more compelling argument. But still, I look at Atwater's stats, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.000 and I look at Lynches stats, and I look at 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.320 who they were playing with. You're really telling me the 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.080 Green Bay Packers, And then that went into the next 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.240 year is eleven and a half point favorite super Bowl 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.400 thirty two. They had two Super Bowl or two Envy 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.040 or two Pro Football Hall of Fame players on those teams. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.240 I just don't buy it. Yeah, I agree with you. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.200 I think I think Butler's candidacy deserves more attention than 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.800 it's getting. He was the first defensive back and a 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.440 lot of other guys have done it since, but he 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.040 was the first guy to get to twenty sacks and 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.040 twenty interceptions as a defensive back. And that's when you 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.160 talk about using guys in different ways. Butler, Fritz Shermer, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.320 they were, they were the guys on the cutting edge 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.840 with that. And I think that's the part with with 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.720 him that needs to be recognized a little bit more. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.720 If he could have just gotten I think, and it's 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.400 it's only one and a half away. Yeah, I just 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.760 I think that that would have really really put him 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.400 over the top because now you look at Charles Woodson 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:30.920 coming up in a couple of years where he put 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.600 that bar. I mean, it's remarkable now what defensive backs 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.800 are doing. Yeah, and Charles Woodson, I think he's going 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.720 to be a first ballot absolutely. I think he's going 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.120 to get in right away with his class. Yeah, I 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.000 think with the guys that he that he retired with, 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.480 there's some talented guys in there. But I just I 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.000 think it's a no brainer. Yeah, it's gonna be Peyton Manning. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.520 And there's another one too, I think who's a potential 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.480 first ballot guy And it's it's slipping my mind right now, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.000 who also retired at the end of the Calvin Johnson 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.880 make a TS. Yeah, so you could potentially have another 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.080 class there of three first ballot guy is in. I 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.360 just really want to see Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.760 going together. No that that's no, but you're right, those 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.240 are the two guys. They were one two in the 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.520 They were the one too in the Heisman voting the 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.840 year that they came out of college. So so yeah, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.480 that really would be special to see them going together. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.680 With regards to Sterling Sharp, his odds I think are 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.280 longer than Leroy Butler's I think Butler has a better chance. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.600 But it's interesting you you look at what Sharp did 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.120 and if they are if if people on the committee, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.920 voters and stuff are going to look a little bit 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.040 more at injury shortened careers. This is a guy who 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.960 he broke Art Monks record for receptions in a single 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.560 season and then broke his own record the following year. Now, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.280 since then, he had a hundred and twelve that second time, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.280 which was the NFL, which was an NFL record. Since then, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.080 a whole bunch of guys have gotten more than a 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.160 hundred and twelve, But at the time he got a 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.680 hundred and twelve and that was the NFL record for 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.000 a single season. He had set that record, you know, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.920 two years in a row himself. That says something about 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.560 being a dominant player, even though the career unfortunately wasn't 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.480 as long as a lot of people would have hoped. Yeah, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.840 and you do wonder if he could have had a 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.480 Donald Driver type run just where he would have put 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.920 some of those franchise records and no disrespected driver. And 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.879 then I'm just saying in terms of what trajectory he 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.200 was on pays for no question at that point in time, 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:18.720 and if he could have had a few more years 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.040 with with Brett Farve, but whatever the case, may be 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.919 a phenomenal football player. I think sometimes because of the 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.680 shortened career, because of you know, I'm playing his first 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.199 four or five seasons without five, he doesn't get a 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.080 lot of notoriety for that. Um, but I you know, 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.119 I go back to I think Shannon Sharpe said in 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.200 his Hall of Fame speech that he's a Pro Football 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.960 famer and he's a second best player in his family. Um. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.919 It's just it's such a it's such an impactful thing 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.800 for for a guy like that to say that, Yeah, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.760 and and Sterling had eight team touchdowns in one season, 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.879 which is still the Packers single season record at a 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.880 time where there was only like twenty four to twenty 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.720 eight touchdowns a year. Was a great season for a 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.399 quarterback to throw. So it's it's pretty remarkable, all right. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.399 With that, we'll tell us to a break back with 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:18.960 more on Packer's Unscripted Reddit to this Welcome back to 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.800 Packers Unscripted Mike Spofford alongside West, hod Cowits and West. Quickly, 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.840 before I forget, I need to take care of some 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.800 sponsor business. Your attention, Packers fans. 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Before we 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.399 go West, one issue I think to follow up on 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.240 with regards to the super Bowl, and that's quarterback Nick Foles. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.840 We didn't really talk about him probably enough in our 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.919 last show, and this is a great example that you know, 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.200 we'll go down in history and we will see where 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:07.159 Nick foles career goes from here. But guys don't often 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.080 get the chance to climb their way out of the box, 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.080 so to speak. And this was a guy who was 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.720 pegged as as the one hit wonder in Chip Kelly's offense. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:20.320 He was the Tommy two tone of of NFL quarterbacks 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.359 because he had that great year with twenty seven touchdowns 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.480 and only a couple of interceptions and then you know, 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.639 kind of fell off the map. Um, He's put himself 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.280 back on the map, and credit to him. He got 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.760 his opportunity and uh, and he cashed in. He took 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.159 advantage of it. And I just I absolutely loved his 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.879 postgame speech about failure and success. And I think this 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.800