1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that, 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: let's get to the show. 10 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: So we've got a new report from New York Times 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: that confirms something we had covered earlier and also confirms 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: an Israeli government direct connection for an influence up that 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: they were running directly on American lawmakers. Let's put this 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: up on the screen headline here, Israel secretly targets US 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: lawmakers with influence campaign on Gaza war. Israel organized and 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: paid for an influence campaign last year, targeting US lawmakers 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: and the American public with pro Israel messaging as it 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: aimed to foster support for its actions in the war 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: with Gaza. That covert campaign was commissioned by Israel's Ministry 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: of Diaspora Affairs, a government body that connects Jews around 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: the world with the. 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 4: State of Israel for as Really. 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: Officials said that Ministry allocated about two million dollars to 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: the operation and hired a Stoic, a political marketing firm 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: in Tel Aviv, to carry it out. 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 4: According to the officials and the. 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Documents, chat GPT was used apparently to generate a lot 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: of the posts. In addition to they would like reply 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: to members of Congress in particular, they seem to target 30 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: African American members of Congress. Specifically, they would post links 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: to these three fake news websites that they set up 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: with you know, pro Israel propaganda. Some of it real 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: drawn from you know, other news reports, some of it 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: less accurate. Let's just say, including some of the you know, 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: October seventh reporting that was ultimately debunked or suggestions by 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: US officials that was ultimately debunked by Israeli outlests, including Haretz. 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: Just to give you a sense of what this looked 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: like in real time, let's put this up on the screen. 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: We've got some quotes from the piece. Dozens of Israeli 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: tech startups received emails and whats App messages that month 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: inviting them to join urgent meetings to become digital soldiers 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: for Israel during the war. Cording to messages viewed by 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: the Times, some of the emails and messages were sent 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: from Israeli government officials. Others came from Steck tech startups 45 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: and incubators. We can put the next piece up. 46 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: On the screen. 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: Some of the fake accounts responded to post by Richie 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: Torres who else. I don't know why they felt like 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: Richie torrested to be even more pro isn't really. They 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: just wanted to rigem in his pre existing direction. I 51 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: guess they would comment on anti Semitism on college campuses 52 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: and major US cities. In response to December eighth post 53 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: on X mister Torres about fire safety, one fake account 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: replied Hamas is perpetrating in the conflict, referring to the 55 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: Islam's militant group. The posts included a hashtag that said 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,839 Speaker 1: Jews were being persecuted. We've got another one here, they said. 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: The campaign also created three fake news sites That's what 58 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: I was talking about, names like non Agenda and Unfold Magazine. 59 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: Non Agenda in the opposite of what it was, which 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: stole and rewrote material from outlets including CNN and The 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal to promote Israel's stance during the war. 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: According to fake Reporter's analysis, that was the original news 63 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: site that broke this story. Fake accounts on Reddit then 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: linked to the articles on the so called news sites 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: to help promote them, and it was apparently pretty sloppy. 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: This whole effort was not like well done. I don't 67 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: expect that it really had a lot of impact on 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: the American political conversation. But in any case, they say, 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: in at least two instances, accounts with profile photos of 70 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: black men posted about being middle aged Jewish women. On 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen posts in which the fake accounts 72 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: here pro Israel articles, the same sentence appeared quote I 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: got to reevaluate my opinions due to this new information, 74 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: so I saw. 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: I remember when a. 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: Fake reporter originally did this analysis, they brought up also 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: these posts that would be profile picture of a black 78 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: man and would say like, as a middle aged Jewish woman, 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: I feel blah blah blah. So sloppy effort. I'm not 80 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: saying it really changed a discourse, but Sager, you remember 81 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: the level of continued, of course freak ount about some 82 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: Russian birdie bro memes on Facebook or whatever like that, 83 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: was determinative in the twenty sixteen election, and we still 84 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: are living with the political, domestic and foreign affairs ramifications. 85 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 4: Of that whole entire freak out. 86 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: And on this we have confirmed an American ally directly 87 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: running an influence up on our own population and elected officials. 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: Cricket. 89 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: And in fact, the dollar amount here is more than 90 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: the amount that was spent on those so called Russian memes. 91 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: Which amazing, and this is the difference. 92 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: At the time, we were like, yeah, this obviously didn't 93 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: swing the election, like okay, and then here around two 94 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: this is actually terrible as usual. It's not even particularly 95 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: well done. No one is even claiming Richie Torrez needed 96 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: a meme to turn him more pro Israel. 97 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: The APAC money is probably it's probably all of a lot. 98 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: More actually impactful or even just like genuine belief. I 99 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: don't know what, you know, who he is. He just craven. 100 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: He just wants to get reelected, all right, So let's 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: put that to the side. But considering what all these 102 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: people said, including one MSNBC at the time, Matt Miller 103 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: said about Russian propaganda, it's a little bit different now 104 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: that he's in the State Department briefing and the reporters 105 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 2: are asking him about it. The Intercepts prem talker who 106 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: we had here on the show, pressed him on it. 107 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. 108 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 5: A little over two months ago, the US announce sanctions 109 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 5: on Russians for creating false websites and then using fake 110 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 5: social media accounts to amplify the misleading content. So similar 111 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 5: to what the government of Israel is reportedly carried out. 112 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 5: And of course the US has taken similar stances in 113 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 5: the past few years. So I'm wondering. I know that 114 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 5: you said the US has laws you expect compliance. Will 115 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 5: US take similar action here? 116 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 6: So, as I said in response to not a question 117 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 6: right now, we have a US report. It's not US 118 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 6: government information, so I'm not going to speak to it specifically, 119 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 6: but I think I'll leave it at that. And as 120 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 6: I said, though, we do have laws that we vigorously 121 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 6: enforce and we expect people to comply with them. 122 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 5: If you know, the US does find that this reporting 123 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 5: does bear out, and this is not meant to be 124 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 5: like a hypothetical, This is meant to be more of 125 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 5: a commitment towards the norms. Will you know the US 126 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 5: act in accordance with how it has before it has 127 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 5: with Russia. 128 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 6: So it is somewhat of hypothetical only because you have 129 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 6: to actually look at the facts of every case and 130 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 6: see what the appropriate response is. But as is always 131 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 6: the case, we look at violations of our law, A 132 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 6: lot of that is carried out by other agencies within 133 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 6: the United States government and developed the appropriate response. But 134 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 6: I just I can't respond with any level of detail 135 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 6: here because it is always very fact specific. 136 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: Mmm, it's always very fact specific. It actually was the 137 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: opposite of facts specific whenever it came to Russia and 138 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: we had some BS report up from what was it 139 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: from the O d n I that we conclude Russia 140 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: our chart or something no election. And before even that, 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: Matt Miller was on MSNBC and all this talking about 142 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: how this is a complete catastrophe and a violation of sovereignties. 143 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: So either they were lying at that time or they 144 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: believed it then. But it's okay for Israel. But of course, 145 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: as usual, there's an exception here. 146 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, State Department, they've never seen the reports. They never know, 147 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: they'll always get back to us, They're going to look 148 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: into it. They can't really say, you know, they don't 149 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: really know what's a war crime. They don't know if 150 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: the details are correct. I mean, they just obviously you're 151 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: never going to get a straight answer out of this guy. 152 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: But it's very inconvenient for them, the fact of all 153 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: the rhetoric surrounding Russia when it was the context of 154 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, their influence up and their invasion of Ukraine 155 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and their war crimes, all that rhetoric that just unfolded 156 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: from the State and continues to flow from the State Department, 157 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: from Tony Blincoln, etc. And then you ask about the 158 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: same or worse atrocities when it comes to Israel, and 159 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: suddenly they don't know, They can't say they haven't seen, 160 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: they haven't read the reports. 161 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 4: They'll get back to you, and of course they never do. 162 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: So no surprise there that the hypocrisy looms incredibly large. 163 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: But it's also just I mean, it's also just. 164 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: An extraordinary look at how important Israel thinks these lawmakers' position. 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. 166 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: And you know the fact that again this is this 167 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: is supposedly a top ally, someone that we ship billions 168 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: of dollars to every single year, this war or any 169 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: other year notwithstanding, and you know, they're here meddling in 170 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: our elections and messing with our lawmakers, and we don't 171 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: have the self respect to like even stand up for 172 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: ourselves and say, hey, maybe you don't do that. 173 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 4: I wish you wouldn't interfere. 174 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: And they have the goal anytime any of our lawmakers 175 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: weighs in on their actions, to say, hey, we're a 176 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: sovereign country. How dare you, how dare you interfere? 177 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 4: It's just the whole thing. 178 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 3: Is preposter Let's just respect each other's sovereignty, shall we. 179 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: I'd be fine with that, I really would, but apparently 180 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: that's not on the cards. 181 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: All right. 182 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, we have some horrific news coming out the Gaza Strip. 183 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen. 184 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: Israeli airstrike on a school where thousands were sheltering has 185 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: killed dozens of people. The numbers I saw were somewhere 186 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: around forty five people. Many more who were injured, including 187 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: women and children. This comes in the context of, of course, 188 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: you know, just massive annihilation of the Gaza Strip and 189 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: also these ongoing ceasefire talks. We don't know where things 190 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: stand with all of that. After Biden gave his speech 191 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: and you know, tried to apply some rhetorical pressure at 192 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: least to these Raelis into Hamas as well, to come 193 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: to some sort of a ceasefire deal. Very unclear where 194 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: all of that stands. And obviously this is just the 195 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: latest horror and what is an almost incalculable level of destruction. 196 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: This was the latest attempt that I saw for people 197 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: to try to wrap their heads around what has been 198 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: done in a very short period of time to the 199 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: Gaza strip by the Israelis. 200 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen. 201 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: Seventy tons of bombs have been dropped on Gaza since October, 202 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: far surpassing the combined total for Dresden, Hamburg and London 203 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: all put together during World War Two. So you know, 204 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: you guys have seen the images of all of these 205 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: cities reduced to rubble, you know, communists Gaza City now 206 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: targeting Rafa. You've seen the way schools, hospitals, any sort 207 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: of civilian building, universities, mosques, churches, et cetera, have been 208 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: completely decimated. And you really can't even wrap your head 209 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: around this level of destruction and that amount of tonnage 210 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: of bombs being dropped on what is again a very 211 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: very small territory soccer. 212 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is. It is shocking. It is a 213 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: reminder too of just modern warfare. How quickly you can 214 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: surpass that There was a single Vietnamese operation in Vietnam 215 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: which surpassed all the. 216 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: That have been dropped in World War Two. 217 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: And it's just a good example that I bring up 218 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: from Vietnam and that my I guess I'm the contemporary 219 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: of the people of who brought this up at the time. 220 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: They're like, hey, guys, if this was just simply an 221 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: air power problem, we could bomb our way out of this, 222 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: then we would have won this war a long long 223 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: time ago. But that's not what's happening here. We're fighting 224 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: a very different war, a very similar war actually in 225 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: this particular case, where you're watching airpower and in fact 226 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: turn the population even further and further against you, very 227 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: different en counter to the goals that you allegedly set 228 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: out to accomplish. And that misalignment between the US what 229 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: it supposedly wants, between what the Israelis want and then 230 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: what the Palestindians, at least allegedly everyone is working to 231 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: try and get to a different state. That's what's causing 232 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: both of tremendous amount of death and some bad strategy. 233 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: So put it all together. 234 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: On top of some of the domestic stuff is going 235 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 2: on in Israel and things are not trending in a 236 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: good direction. 237 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of that domestic stuff so we 238 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: can put this up on the screen. You had a 239 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: huge number of our right wing Jewish Israelis who were 240 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: marauding through the Old City in Jerusalem for the Muslim 241 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: quarter in particular. And as part of that, and this 242 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: is this sort of an annual affair, it's called Flag Day. 243 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: I'll get into some of the specifics in a moment, 244 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: but as part of that, and this is what's really significant, 245 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: Israeli Cabinet minister Ben Gevere has said it's his policy 246 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: to let Jews pray. 247 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 4: On the Temple Mount. 248 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: You have a very significant religious site that is significant 249 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: both to Jews and to Muslims. For Muslims it's the 250 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: alak Samusk. For Jews, they call it the Temple. There's 251 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: the Temple Mount and an apparent breach of the long 252 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: standing status quo. He said that it is his policy. 253 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: And again this is a government cabinet minister who has 254 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: power over such things to allow Jewish prayer at that 255 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: contested Jerusalem holy site. He said, and I quote, I 256 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: am also happy that Jews went up to the Temple 257 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: Mount and prayed there today. It is very important. My 258 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: policy is very clear on this matter. Jews can be 259 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: anywhere in Jerusalem, pray anywhere. Acid prayers are not conducted 260 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: only informally in a whisper. Ben Gaverer said, no, no, no, 261 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: no one whispered. Jews prayed on the Temple Mount. That's 262 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: the ministerial position. And Jews pray on the Temple Mount, 263 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: and that is a good thing. So that is an 264 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: extraordinary provocation. He also talked about how this is meant 265 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: to intentionally be a provocation. He said that Muslims hang 266 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: pictures of the Temple Mount and pictures of Jerusalem, and 267 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: we tell them our Jerusalem, our novelist gate, our Temple Mount. Today, 268 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: according to my policy, Jews entered the Old City freely, 269 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: and on the Temple Mount, Jews prayed freely. We say, 270 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: in the simplest way, it's hours, okay. He also went 271 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: to this parade, which again I say, it's an annual 272 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: affair of Jewish right wing Israelis. A lot of settlers 273 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: are involved incredibly provocative. 274 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 4: There were numerous assaults. 275 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: There were chants by many individuals there of death to 276 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: Arabs and other genocidal eliminationist chants. As part of this 277 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: quote unquote parade, we can put Ben Gavier up on 278 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: the screen. 279 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: So here he. 280 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Is at this at this parade, at this march, where 281 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: he says, Jerusalem is ours, Damascus Gate is ours, the 282 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: Temple Mount is ours. 283 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: Today in accordance. 284 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: With my policy, Jews prayed freely on the Temple Mount. 285 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: We say, in the simplest way, it's ours. We also 286 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: have put this next piece up on the screen. We 287 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: have some of the images from this, you know, sort 288 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: of marauding bands going. 289 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: Through the streets. You can see what the scene was. 290 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: Here we have Ben Gavie again, this more imagery of him. 291 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: We have you can. 292 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,359 Speaker 1: See very young, very young children here who are assaulting. 293 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: I believe this was a Palestinian member of the press 294 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: that you can see who's being assaulted. 295 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: There. 296 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: We have some extraordinary images as well of that assault. 297 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: You can see him being surrounded in a press vest 298 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: by all of these young you know, many of them settlers, 299 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: certainly Jewish extremists. You see here a Haretz, Israeli Jewish 300 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: member of the press who also was assaulted by this 301 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: group attempting to protect I think we have one more 302 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: image there that was really going around attempting to protect 303 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: this Palestinian press member. You know, you had all sorts 304 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: of reports of hateful chants, like I said, death to Arabs, 305 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: made their villages burn, I think was another one of them. 306 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: You had various assaults, you had them going into Palestinian shops, 307 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: and you had the police clearing any Palestinians from the 308 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: area because they you know, couldn't or wouldn't protect them, 309 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: and you know, forcing the amount of their own shops, 310 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. 311 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 4: So that was what was going on yesterday. 312 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the reason why this stuff is so important, 313 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: I know it seems tedious, remember that the entire Second 314 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: Intifado was sparked by a real Sharon visiting the Temple Mount. 315 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: I mean, this is why it's so it's I mean, 316 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: it's kind of crazy that we even got to the 317 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: point where this barely even notes a mention in the 318 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: US Press. The visit to the Temple Mount in what 319 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: was a September of two thousand was basically the beginning 320 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: of the collapse of Oslo, of the Middle East Peace 321 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: Summit and the Second Intafada, and the stated purpose at 322 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: the time, by the way, Aerol Sharon was the head 323 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: of the Lacud Party. You know, he's to assert the 324 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: right of all Israelis to visit the Temple mount. This 325 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: sets off like a whole Palestindian condemnation, Things develop into riots. 326 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: It's a huge, very important event in the history of 327 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: so called like peace activists because it basically broke a 328 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: lot of the peace consensus on the Palaestini and on 329 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: the Israeli side, there were suicide bombs or riots. It 330 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: led to like the modern basically establishment of the Lacud Party. 331 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: So for them to just like continue doing this is 332 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: also both a shove in the face of anybody who 333 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: still like even tried to pretend to be a part 334 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: of the peace movement, but just shows like how far 335 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: things have moved in a different direction. 336 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 337 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: At the same time, there's a real risk of continued escalation, 338 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: especially with regard to Lebanon and has Below. 339 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen. 340 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: Israeli leaders have threatened to take quote unquote more intense 341 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: action against Hesbel after an escalation and cross border fire, 342 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: increasing tensions in the prospect of all out war with 343 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: the Lebanese militant group. You'll recall northern Israel has largely 344 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: been evacuated since October seventh, so you have quite a 345 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: number of Israelis who have been evacuated from that area. 346 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: You've had this cross border fire ongoing, and net Yahoo commented, 347 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: he said, yesterday the earth was on fire here, but 348 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: it was also on fire in Lebanon. Whoever thinks that 349 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: they can hurt us and that we will sit idly 350 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: by is making. 351 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: A big mistake. 352 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: We are prepared for very intense action in the north. 353 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: One way or another, we will restore security to the North, 354 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: so you know, and all kinds of threats towards Lebanon previously. 355 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 4: We also have new reports. 356 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: Once again of more Israeli use of white phosphorus being 357 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: dropped directly on residential areas that is in direct contradiction 358 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: of international law. So yet another war crime being documented 359 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: by human rights organizations that are on the ground. And 360 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: one possibility here if there is enough pressure applied that 361 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: there's some sort of even a temporary cease fire in 362 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: terms of Gaza, you could see this escalation occurring as 363 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: a way again for BB to continue to justify his 364 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: grip on power and his avoidance too of the criminal 365 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: charges that could possibly land him in prison once the 366 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: war is over. This could be another avenue for him 367 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: to claim some sort of victory over what has by 368 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: all accounts been really a complete failure for the Israeli 369 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: government and the Israeli military in terms of their offensive enda. 370 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what they want. They want to cont 371 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: in you this. The only question is whether the actual 372 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: world can constrain it. 373 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: That's it. 374 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: I mean, we have no idea whether we're going to 375 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: be able to We've successfully done so so far. I 376 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: would say that's maybe one piece of successful diplomacy. But 377 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: clearly they want the action, and Hesbullet too has not 378 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: been afraid, you know, to hit back. They've there's been 379 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: several IDF soldiers who've been killed and cross border fires. 380 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw some of the images 381 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: of northern. 382 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: Israel crazy a couple of days ago, which showed the bombs, 383 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: the White Phosphorus, the hills were all on fire. Both 384 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: sides are rearing and ready to go. So this could 385 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: easily be a major expansion and would be ten times. 386 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: More deadly than anything we've seen in Gaza. For the Israelies, 387 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: they should be afraid. 388 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we should be really, I mean, this is 389 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: directly tied like Hezbulla didn't have anything to do with 390 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: October seventh, five days. 391 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: According to the Israelies, not us, Like that's what even 392 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 3: Israel says. 393 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, yeah, I mean everyone is unanimous and that 394 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: no one is even arguing that that is the case. 395 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: And so the you know, action with regard to to 396 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: Hesla is directly tied to what Israel is doing in 397 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: God's Strip. Hesbla feels, you know, that they need to 398 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: show that they're defending the Palestinian people. So you really 399 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: don't have a resolution to that conflagration, which could potentially 400 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: escalate in a very damaging way for both Israeli and 401 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: Lebanese civilians. You don't have any even possibility of a 402 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: resolution there until you have a cessation of the you know, 403 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: Israeli assault on Gaza. So something else that we have 404 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: our eye on. At the same time, there have been 405 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: a lot of developments with regard to media censorship and 406 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: one sided crackdowns in terms of American politics and crackdowns 407 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: on pro Palestinian protest, which we have a fantastic gas 408 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: standing by to help us understand what exactly is going 409 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: on there. 410 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 4: Let's get to it. 411 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: So you guys, I'm sure recall we had a whole 412 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: national conversation about quote unquote anti Semitism on campus and 413 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: Jewish students potentially being made to feel or reality being 414 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: unsafe in connection with pro Palestine protests and encampments. That's 415 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: brung up on a variety of college campuses. One of 416 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: those was that UCLA, where after the fact it was 417 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: documented pretty clearly that all the violence was very one sided, 418 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: was on the side of the pro Israeli counter protesters. 419 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: Numerous journalistic organizations, including the LA Times documented that pretty closely, 420 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: and video evidence bore that out as well. CNN also 421 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: did extraordinary coverage there. We have joining us this morning 422 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: extraordinary guest Salam al Mariati, who's president of the Muslim 423 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: Public Affairs Council, who met with a variety of public 424 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: officials in the wake of those violent counter protests to 425 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: find out where the concern la if they were going 426 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: to conduct investigations, and he joins us now, great to 427 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: have you. 428 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 7: Sir, good Caezer, thank you, thank you for having me. 429 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, so talk to us about your interest 430 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: in what unfolded at UCLA and some of the meetings. 431 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: You were able to have. 432 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 7: I attended the encampment. It was peaceful. I met a 433 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 7: lot of students, a lot of Jewish students, Muslim students, 434 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 7: a lot of non religious students. It was an array 435 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 7: that you saw there, and I was inspired by it, 436 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 7: and it was peaceful. And in fact, a Princeton study 437 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 7: Bridging the Divide initiative showed that ninety five percent of 438 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 7: the encampments are peaceful of the thousand that they assessed. 439 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 7: And so when I met with officials and they're concerned 440 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 7: about violence from these encampments, I said, these are peaceful gatherings. 441 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 7: They're protesting in the great student tradition. When I met 442 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 7: with Eric Holders some years back, he said he occupied 443 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 7: a building when he was in college. So what was 444 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 7: different though, of course not the situation, right, And so 445 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 7: we see the double standards. And then I have attended 446 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 7: college football games, and if you're concerned about disorderly conduct 447 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 7: and vandalism and harassment, well are we going to be 448 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 7: canceling football games because of our concern, of course not. 449 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 7: So that's how ridiculous this argument is that there's concern 450 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 7: about violence. And if there was violence, as you said, 451 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 7: it was the violence against the students, it was the 452 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 7: violence by bringing in the police to dismantle the encampments. 453 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 7: And so we talked to officials about that, and when 454 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 7: I met with the Attorney General and the FBI director, 455 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 7: the concern there was, you know, they're looking at violent 456 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 7: extremism and how foreign actors can use these public gatherings 457 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 7: to attack Americans. And I said, it already happened. It 458 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 7: happened on the night of April thirtieth against the student protesters, 459 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 7: against the pro Palestinian student encampment, and what are you 460 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 7: doing about that? So they promised that they would look 461 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 7: into it, that there should be an investigation. Why did 462 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 7: law enforcement step back and stand by watching the assault 463 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 7: on the pro Palestinian protest. 464 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: And so this was Attorney General Meyrick Garland that you 465 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: were speaking to, and you're talking about the kind of 466 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: protest at UCLA, which you know, again documented there were 467 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: hours that these assaults were occurring in which the police 468 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing. The next day, the police come in 469 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: and they arrest the largely peaceful pro Palestinian side. And 470 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: so what was the response from Garland when you press 471 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: for an investigation into what had occurred? 472 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 7: He said he would look into it. The FBI director 473 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 7: said he would look into it. We receive communications from 474 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 7: their offices that there might be an investigation happening, but 475 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 7: nothing is official, of course, and we just have to 476 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 7: keep pressing the issue. In fact, I'm meeting today with 477 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 7: the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, Christian Clerk, on 478 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 7: the same matter. So we're going to get a report 479 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 7: from them and to see where we are with the situation. 480 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 7: But we just have to keep pressing. Just like we 481 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 7: have to keep pressing for prosecution of the January sixth 482 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 7: coup against our country at the US capital, we have 483 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 7: to press here for an investigation of law enforcement and 484 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 7: exactly who these culports were that instigated violence against the students. 485 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 7: And right now, as of now, there's only been one arrest, 486 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 7: and even with Los Angeles Police Department said they didn't 487 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 7: have enough resources to investigate, and we called that nonsense. 488 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so tell us about you were talking previously 489 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: with us about some of the meetings you've had with 490 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: public officials. I'm curious from your end, what is it like, 491 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: how much can you see very clearly that there is 492 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: external pressure on these individuals to not let's say, they 493 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: definitely would have acted differently as you said, let's say 494 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: the January sixth investigation or any of that in response 495 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: to some of this protest violence that we saw, a 496 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: violence against the protesters. How has their difference in tone 497 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 2: and all that come through to you and the evidence 498 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: of external pressure on them. 499 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 7: Well, I can't tell you exactly what evidence there is, 500 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 7: but we know it's there. 501 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've been doing that, but you can 502 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: see it in the you know, in the response and 503 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: there tell us about that. 504 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 7: In their tone, and they're sort of trying to console 505 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 7: us that yes, it was terrible what happened, And we said, 506 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 7: we don't need sympathy, we need action. We need you 507 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 7: to look into what's happening here. You know, you've had 508 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 7: Los Angeles Police Department officers go to Israel and pose 509 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 7: with IDF forces next to the bombs that were going 510 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 7: to go kill Palestinians. And we said, what kind of 511 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 7: infiltration or influence is there within our law enforcement by 512 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 7: the Israeli defense forces? We need you to investigate that 513 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 7: as well, and so we've called on the LAPD Commission 514 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 7: Police Commission to look into that, and I hope that 515 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 7: something will come out of it. But again, we just 516 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 7: have to keep pressing and keep advocating. I've been doing 517 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 7: this for forty years. When I started, way before your time. 518 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 7: The first case that I was involved in was called 519 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 7: the LA eight and what happened was was the agency 520 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 7: at that time was called the Immigration Naturalization Service instead 521 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 7: of DHS, and they were looking at Palestinians who were 522 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 7: distributing communist literature using a McCarthy era law, the mccaren 523 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 7: Walter Act, And of course it was ridiculous. It took 524 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 7: twenty years to vindic those individuals. But this kind of 525 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 7: McCarthyism is coming back, and it's coming back with a force. 526 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 7: I think the pro Israel groups, the hardliners from that side, 527 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 7: are using everything to pressure those officials that you're referring 528 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 7: to Zagar and really si silence in them. And while 529 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 7: they come to us with sympathy, they really can't do 530 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 7: anything because they know that the other side is ready 531 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 7: to clabber them if they do take action. So it 532 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 7: is a bit of a political game, unfortunately, but we 533 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 7: feel that there's there's more, there's a growing support. In fact, 534 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 7: for the first time an LA City councilwoman Nathia Rahman, 535 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 7: finally sponsored a resolution for a ceasefire in the La 536 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 7: City Council. So we'll see where that goes. And they 537 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 7: also passed a resolution fifteen to nothing in La City 538 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 7: to investigate LAPD for what happened on April Thirtyeth got it. 539 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 4: So the mayor of La now as Karen Bass. You 540 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 4: met with her as well. 541 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean she's positioned herself as relatively progressive Democrat. 542 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: What was that meaning like? 543 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: And how much is your sense that we talk a 544 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: lot about APAC and the influence that their money and 545 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: their lobbying has on all sorts of races. They've threatened, 546 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: I think one hundred million dollars in their war chest 547 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: to defeat candidates that, in their view are insufficiently pro Israel. 548 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: How much does that loom over these conversations that you're 549 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: having with politicians. 550 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 7: Like I said, we know it exists. It doesn't come 551 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 7: out in these conversations, of course, but the main concern 552 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 7: is that they're worried about the reaction that they're going 553 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 7: to get if they come out and support of these students, 554 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 7: and the school officials say the same thing that they 555 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 7: come to us and say, you know, it's not our fault. 556 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 7: It's really the Department of Education that's being influenced to 557 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 7: come in and every time there's a pro Palestinian event 558 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 7: happening on campus, they call for an investigation. Then I 559 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 7: go to the Department of Education and say, hey, the 560 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 7: school officials are complaining about you, and they said, it 561 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 7: has nothing to do with us. It's the school officials 562 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 7: that are being pressure by the pro Israel group. So 563 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 7: everybody is pointing the finger to everybody else right now. 564 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 7: And we know that game. We've been around the block 565 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 7: a couple of times. But as I said, it's really 566 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 7: about continuing our advocacy and we really appreciate shows like 567 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 7: this that for the first time, the public is seeing 568 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 7: the truth. 569 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: That was my question too, is you've obviously been involved 570 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: in this for a long time, presumably been meeting with 571 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: democratic lawmakers. This may be like, what has this been 572 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: experience been like for you to watch them change a 573 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: lot of their tune that you previously may have seen sympathy, 574 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: and you know, whenever it was Republicans doing it, they 575 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: were willing to decry it. But this time and now 576 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: that they're in power, what has it been like to 577 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: watch some of these people, who you presumably know well, 578 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: even meetings with them for a long time, just completely shift, 579 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: you know a post October seven. 580 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 7: Well, it starts with the president himself. I mean, I 581 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 7: couldn't believe it when he says that I'm a Zionist 582 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 7: and I said, well, then how can you be our president? 583 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 7: You don't represent us. Then so he met with Alstinians, 584 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 7: he changed his tone. I believe that the protests are 585 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 7: forcing him to change his rhetoric. It hasn't changed any 586 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 7: action yet with other lawmakers that we've met. We met 587 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 7: with for example Rohanna yesterday he came to our conference 588 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 7: and spoke. It is a change because twenty years ago 589 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 7: we didn't see thirty lawmakers say we are supporting a ceasefire. 590 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 7: Now we're finally seeing that. The last time I saw 591 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 7: a lawmaker actually call out Israel was Bob Dole in 592 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 7: the eighties when he said, oh, we should stop sending 593 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 7: on as for Israel over that right. That was the 594 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 7: last time. And in between that, nothing there was pure silence. 595 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 7: So now we're finally coming back to some lawmakers having 596 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 7: some backbone and saying if we care about American national 597 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 7: security interests, this is not helping. This is hurting. And 598 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 7: so we see these thirty I hope that it grows. 599 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 7: We even see some Republicans now beginning to question what's 600 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 7: happening in Gusin and blind support for this issue. 601 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, their few libertarian voices out there. 602 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: Bob dol vindicated though, Glad we wanted to get your 603 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: thoughts to on another news event that I thought you 604 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 1: would find interesting. 605 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: Lists put this up on the screen. This is really wild. 606 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: So this is from the ap After publishing an article 607 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: critical of Israel, Columbia Law Reviews website is shut down 608 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: by the board. Let me read a little bit of 609 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: those student editors at the Columbia Law Reviews say they 610 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: were pressured by the journal's board of directors to halt 611 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: publication of an academic article written by a Palestinian human 612 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: rights lawyer that accuses Israel of committing genocide and gaza 613 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: and upholding and apartheid regime. When editors refuse the request 614 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: and publish that peace Monday morning, anyway, the board, which 615 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: is made up of faculty and alumni from Columbia University's 616 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: Law school, shut down. The Law Reviews website entirely remained 617 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: offline Tuesday evening is static homepage informing visitors the domain 618 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: is under maintenance. Of course, that irony here is probably 619 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: no one would have really paid attention to this article. 620 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: The student to published it separately at a permanent link 621 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: that couldn't be taken down, and it's probably gotten way 622 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: more attention than it ever would have if they just 623 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: let it be published. But what do you make of 624 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: this extraordinary effort at censorship of a pro Palestinian view. 625 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 7: Well, it's like what they tried to do with Esna 626 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 7: tabeslom at USC. They canceled her speech, so instead of talking, it. 627 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: Was the valedictoria, it was a mental speech, and then 628 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: they canceled the whole commencement, right. 629 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 7: Canceled the whole thing. And so with Esna, now instead 630 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 7: of speaking to sixty thousand people, she's speaking to millions 631 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 7: of people. And now this article which basically saying that 632 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 7: we need a new legal construct for Palestinians. It's not 633 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 7: just about apartheid or occupation. That doesn't fit. Let us 634 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 7: look to what's called the Nekba, the catastrophe that happened 635 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 7: in nineteen forty eight and has continued to this day 636 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 7: as a legal construct. Right. And so by shutting this 637 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,239 Speaker 7: down by this kind of censorship, now this is going 638 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 7: to get more traction and more people will go and 639 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 7: read it and look to not only why their censorship, 640 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 7: but what is this all about? You know, I've been 641 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 7: involved with groups, not involved with but people have monitored 642 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 7: students by groups called campus Watch. It's their form of 643 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 7: lawfare against these students. And campus Watch is a pro 644 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 7: Israel website that says that these students are anti Semitic. 645 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 7: I was called anti semitic. You know. I was appointed 646 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 7: to the Congressional Commission for Terrorism in nineteen ninety eight 647 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 7: by Richard Geppart. The ADL, the American Jewish Committee, the 648 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 7: Conference of Jewish Presidents all lobbied to rescind the nomination. 649 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 7: The New York Times headline of that was get part 650 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 7: bows to Jews, anger for that. And so we know 651 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 7: that this is happening is going to continue to happen 652 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 7: until the establishment gets the message. And the establishment still 653 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 7: has not received that message that this is this is 654 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 7: a violation of our First Amendment. So we have we're 655 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 7: now coming out with the Bureau for Academic Freedom to 656 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 7: organize around this issue, to defend the First Amendment rights 657 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 7: of our students, to defend the First Amendment of our country. 658 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 7: We're the ones now that are at the center of 659 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 7: this issue, and so it will help these students and 660 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 7: really say, if we're really about the Constitution and the 661 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 7: Bill of Rights, then the censorship has got to stop, 662 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 7: especially in public universities. 663 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's important to point out too that 664 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: even as this particular article, because it got a headline, 665 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: I got a lot of attention, I got a lot 666 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: of eyeballs that the censorship effort didn't work. But you 667 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: will have many people who don't speak out, who don't 668 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: write the articles that they would have, who don't publish 669 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: the articles that they would have, because they don't have 670 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: the stomach for it right, they don't want to be 671 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: under screwty, they don't want to have a truck driving 672 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: around their college campus with their face on it, etc. So, 673 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: while this individual effort maybe failed, backfired stries and effect, 674 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: the overall chilling effect is still incredibly important. So what 675 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: are some of the work that you'll be doing at 676 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: the Bureau of Academic Freedom, and where can people find 677 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: out more about what you're up to. 678 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 7: You go to our website, Muslim Public Affairs Council NPAC 679 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 7: dot org and we're going to launch it this week 680 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 7: or within the next week. And the main issue is 681 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 7: to expose this kind of chilling effect, this kind of censorship, 682 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 7: this kind of intimidation against our students, and to provide 683 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 7: support for them, whether it's legal support, political support, community support. 684 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 7: We need to we need to be there at the 685 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 7: forefront and to show that this is what these student 686 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 7: protesters are doing is part of an American campus tradition. 687 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 7: We saw that in Vietnam, we saw that for civil rights, 688 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 7: we saw that against apartheid. This is nothing new in 689 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 7: terms of the student tradition where students are leading us 690 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 7: because everybody else is politically shackled in Washington from peking out. 691 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 7: They're speaking the conscience of our country and we have 692 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 7: to support them. So the Beeer of Academic Freedom is 693 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 7: objective is to end this intimidation. It's going to be 694 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 7: a long battle. I've been doing this you know now 695 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 7: going on thirty six years, and it may take more 696 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 7: decades for us to see a resolution to this conflict. 697 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 7: But the beeer of academic freedom is aimed to resolving 698 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 7: this and really defend the First Amendment. 699 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 4: So thank you so much for your time today. It's 700 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 4: a pleasure to meet. 701 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 2: You, sir. 702 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 7: Thank you for coming. Thank you so much. I appreciate 703 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 7: the time. 704 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, we'll see you guys later.