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Speaker 1: matter either. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Stephanie Kilhepner is

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Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's former police chief John's Creek, twenty five years

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Speaker 1: Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot com. Renowned psychiatrists joining us

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Speaker 1: of Common please, the former Lancaster District Attorney. Now, can

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Speaker 1: you just settle things once and for all, Judge? Many

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever thinks it's gonna happen in their neighborhood, and

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Speaker 1: he did, Nancy. The trauma that he inflicted on this

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Speaker 1: woman was really over the top. This is a very

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Speaker 1: violent action. You know, First he punched her in the

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Speaker 1: face and I can only assume that by doing this

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Speaker 1: he probably generated a bloody nose and she fell back,

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Speaker 1: as we understand. Then he retrieved a knife. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things I found very curious is they keep

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Speaker 1: using the term that he slit her throat at that point,

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Speaker 1: so you're going to produce blood this way. But the

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Speaker 1: coroner actually stated that that did not kill her. He

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Speaker 1: went on to say that, in fact, these blows that

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Speaker 1: she sustained to her head were the acts. She was

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Speaker 1: still alive as she was sustaining these, so she's still

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Speaker 1: bleeding out. You know, it's a lot of people think

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Speaker 1: that that. You know, if you slit somebody's throat there,

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Speaker 1: they're going to die instantly. That doesn't happen. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, it takes quite a bit of work

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Speaker 1: to accomplish that, and you have to know what you're

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Speaker 1: doing when he began to assault her, bludging her with

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Speaker 1: this axe. Now we don't know which end of the

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Speaker 1: acts he used. He would have generated a copious a

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Speaker 1: large amount of blood all over the place, So you're

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Speaker 1: never going to get all of this up. I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine the horror that the pathologists felt when they

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Speaker 1: began to examine these wounds in her head, because they

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Speaker 1: saw that she had hemorrhage into these wounds in her head,

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Speaker 1: which automatically tells them from a physy low standpoint, she

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Speaker 1: was alive while he was doing this. Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the Christmas Eve

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Speaker 1: death of a young mom of two, murdered at the

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Speaker 1: hands of her own husband. And what is also so

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Speaker 1: amazing is that he cleaned up the crime scene, put

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Speaker 1: her in a bag, dragged her body to a shed,

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Speaker 1: and the next day, Christmas morning, what about Christmas with

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Speaker 1: the children, as if nothing had happened. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends Ames Yates at Fox forty three. Police

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Speaker 1: say Klopp initially called them around five pm Christmas Day

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Speaker 1: to say he had killed her. About an hour later,

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Speaker 1: they say that he came to the Lancaster Barracks and

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Speaker 1: told them the violent details. State police say Klopp told

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Speaker 1: them he got in an argument with kill Heffner on

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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve and punched her in the face. When she

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Speaker 1: fell to the ground, he took a knife and slid

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Speaker 1: her throat. Then he grabbed an axe and hit her

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Speaker 1: in the back of the head repeatedly, before hiding her

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Speaker 1: body in a shed near his house. To Judge Craig Stadman,

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Speaker 1: now Lancaster County Court of Common Pleas Judge, former elected

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Speaker 1: Lancaster County District Attorney after working his way up through

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Speaker 1: the ranks a judge. Of course, the law is that

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Speaker 1: no case can be in criminal court can be prosecuted

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Speaker 1: based on a confession alone, as the law. Now, the

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Speaker 1: scene that you discovered when cops got to the home,

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Speaker 1: did it corroborate exactly what klopps said it did? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it matched up exactly. You know, there's only two people

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Speaker 1: that knew exactly what took place. It wasn't hard to find.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do a good job trying to clean up

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Speaker 1: the blood. Um. It was very apparent her body was

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Speaker 1: exactly where um she said he said she was, and

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Speaker 1: the wounds matched up with what he had admitted to doing.

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Speaker 1: So whatever took place, and between the homicide and his

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Speaker 1: decision to turn himself in, he did change his mind

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Speaker 1: and come forward with with the with the truthful details,

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Speaker 1: the horrific details. As far as investigative work and challenges

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Speaker 1: for us, this was one of the easier ones that

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to, you know, lessen the impact of

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Speaker 1: the crime. But this, this really was he told us

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Speaker 1: what he did. She was right there. There wasn't a

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Speaker 1: lot of investigation for us to do, you know, to

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Speaker 1: Chief Chris Buyers now at Chris Buyers Investigations in polygraph

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Speaker 1: dot com. You just heard Judge Steadman speaking was the

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Speaker 1: DA at the time, and even then and now, it's

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Speaker 1: very rare that you get a killer come straight into

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Speaker 1: the station and confess and then all corroborates with the

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Speaker 1: physical evidence. That just doesn't happen. Usually a defense attorney

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Speaker 1: will get a hold of them, and suddenly everything changes

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Speaker 1: by the time they get to court and you go

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Speaker 1: to trial, basically rolling the dice. It's either plead guilty

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Speaker 1: or hope one jarr will give you a mistrial and

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Speaker 1: you'll get a cheaper deal after that. But I think

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Speaker 1: what had to do, what had a lot to do

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Speaker 1: with his confession? Did you hear Judge Steadman's state the

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Speaker 1: father drove him to the police station. He didn't do

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Speaker 1: it all on his own. I think that's what ultimately

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Speaker 1: got him in to make the confession, was his father

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Speaker 1: telling him to do the right thing. I guess on

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Speaker 1: behalf of their children. Yeah. Absolutely. I I don't remember

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Speaker 1: for a case ever like this in my twenty five

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Speaker 1: years where someone came and confessed and it was corroborated.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, And I was thinking, as you guys were

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Speaker 1: talking on Christmas Day and you've got his kids there,

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Speaker 1: its father, I mean, just how many generations you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's true for those kids Christmas and the dad, but

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Speaker 1: how many generations this is going to affect the kids? Kids?

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Speaker 1: And so I have a feeling that yeah, being Christmas

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Speaker 1: Day and dad convincing him to do the right thing,

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Speaker 1: probably has how it played out, because that just does

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Speaker 1: not happen. No, never, never have I seen it happened

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Speaker 1: that way. Not once have I seen some money just

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Speaker 1: come in confess and it all lines up with a

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Speaker 1: physical evidence. And speaking of physical evidence to death investigator

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott. Even if the crime scene

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Speaker 1: texts say, hey, the guys ain't given a confession right now,

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Speaker 1: they can't just pack up their bags and leave. They've

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Speaker 1: got a process that's seen as if it were going

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Speaker 1: to trial. You bet they do. And you know why

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00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: because of lawyers. You have to Nancy, there is no

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Speaker 1: stone you guys leave unturned, and you have to anticipate

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Speaker 1: every possibility. This is no time to get lazy. As

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Speaker 1: an investigator. You do your job. You've covered the scene

534
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: as if the person has you know, skipped the country

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Speaker 1: and has left and there's a worldwide manhunt for this person.

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00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: You still have to process the scene because you never

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Speaker 1: know what will happen. And how do you know how

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Speaker 1: do you know that this guy was the perpetrator? Now

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Speaker 1: he may have walked in and confessed to this thing,

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Speaker 1: but how do you know someone else wasn't involved? Looks

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Speaker 1: as forensics people, as death investigators, we're all cynics. I

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Speaker 1: assume everybody is lying to me when I'm conducting a

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Speaker 1: death investigation. I have to do that, Nancy, in order

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Speaker 1: to cover all of my bases, and you have to

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Speaker 1: continue to process these scenes until the job is done.

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Speaker 1: I think it also says a lot about him, not

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Speaker 1: that he's insane. Don't tune up with that, doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: because I know that's where your mind goes insanity. But

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Speaker 1: as Judge Devon pointed out, he had so many times

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Speaker 1: to stop it. First began with a punch, a blow,

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Speaker 1: then another wound, she wasn't dead yet, then another attack.

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00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: He had so many chances to back out of this thing. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that. I do not think that this

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Speaker 1: is a matter of insanity. But I do believe, with

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Speaker 1: the little that we know about this man, which is

556
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Speaker 1: which is a lot, that he that he has some

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Speaker 1: sort of pathologic narcissism and and that turned into a

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Speaker 1: narcissistic raid. Now wait a minute, wait a minute, just

559
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: to break it down now again, you're the shrink. I'm

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Speaker 1: just a trial lawyer that I believe when you say

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Speaker 1: pathological narcissist. You mean unstoppable narcissism. Narcissus was the star

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Speaker 1: of a Greek myth that was so in love with

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Speaker 1: himself he would forever look into a quiet river to

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Speaker 1: see his own reflection. Right, that's exactly right. And what happens.

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Speaker 1: What happens when when someone actually has pathologic narcissism, they

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Speaker 1: have they can't regulate theirselves, they can't regulate their emotions

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Speaker 1: or they before their behavior, and so they have they

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Speaker 1: have impulses. It's just I mean, it's awful. Their impulses

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Speaker 1: just take over. Okay, Well, I know what, doctor Angie Arnold.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all that psycho discussion, but in my world

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Speaker 1: it's are you insane legally? Did you know right I

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Speaker 1: don't wrong at the time, or do you have some

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Speaker 1: uncontrollable mental delusion that somehow this is an evil troll

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Speaker 1: that's jumped into your home to kill your children. None

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Speaker 1: of that existed that would legally get him off the hook.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I agree with you. The fact that he

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Speaker 1: tried to clean up the scene, tried to hide the body,

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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: went through with Christmas morning at the grandparents to hide

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Speaker 1: everything shows he knew what he did was wrong, and

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Speaker 1: we're learning a little bit more about the crime. Take

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Speaker 1: to listen to Pete Mountene News. Eight investigators say Clopp

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Speaker 1: moved his wife's body to a shed on the property,

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Speaker 1: then went to Christmas celebrations with the couple's two children.

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Speaker 1: But it was not until five o'clock Christmas night that

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Speaker 1: Clopp turned himself in. Here at Leicester County State Police Headquarters.

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Speaker 1: It's where police say Clopp confessed to killing his wife.

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Speaker 1: I guess he did develop a conscience. That's why I

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Speaker 1: turn him off, But I don't know what was said.

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00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: And it's home and you think of the two kids

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Speaker 1: that they had Christmas time, you know, it's sad. Before

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Speaker 1: you start blaming the Christmas season and tensions that some

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Speaker 1: families have. Let me report that additional sex assault charges

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Speaker 1: were added to their murder based on findings during the

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Speaker 1: autopsy report. As we close out our story regarding Stephanie Kilheffner,

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Speaker 1: her children are being cared for by relatives and they

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Speaker 1: are growing up and they are surviving. My prayer for

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Speaker 1: them is that Christmas not be forever tainted, and that's

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Speaker 1: somehow in the future they find joy. Nancy Grace kind

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Speaker 1: of story signing off goodbye friend,