1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know? Was that a horse? Arrail? Goat it? 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Take your pick, buddy. Well. The working title for this 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: one is history of Veterinary Medicine? Or when did people 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: stop only caring about horses and cows when it comes 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: to animals? The answer to that question is pretty recently, actually, 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, and I should just say live stock. Sure, 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: just eighteen word title live stock. Livestock is a great word. 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: And then masked is also one of my favorite words 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: for the kind of earthy homeliness it has to it last. 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: The collection of edible nuts that pigs and squirrels, Yeah, 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: off of youah, masked acorns, chestnuts, All that stuff is 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: under the umbrella of mast don't you? Isn't it like livestock? 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Livestock masked, measuring things by the foot, wearing like a 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: cloth hat like it all just kind of has that 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: same vibe going on. And I love it all, Yeah, 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: because I can picture a stinker squirrel just like chewing 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: and going, hey, you want to go get some masked. 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: We're running low one mass. Let's get some more mask guys. 22 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: After this mask and the other mask. We've only got 23 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: two masks left. All right. Uh, Olivia did a great 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: job because when I asked for an article about vetinary medicine, 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: I was like, who whoa, whoa, whoa. It was like, 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: what I really want is like the history of vetinary medicine. 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: Not one of those old kind of articles where it's 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: like to become a vet you should. I mean, there's 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of that at the very end, but 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: I found this endlessly fascinating to see where we were 31 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: and where we are now. Yeah, it's kind of like 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: the History of dentistry episode you ailed up look at that, 33 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: so um, yeah, you have a thing with history of 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: medical fields. Apparently, so we're talking about vets, specifically the 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: history of veterinary medicine, and we don't exactly know when 36 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: it starts. Our first unambiguous evidence that people were caring 37 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: medically for animals comes about forty one ish hundred years 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: ago in the Mesopotamian city of Lagash, where somebody named 39 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: La Ladina m I was mentioned as somebody who was 40 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: an expert in healing animals. I guess scrawled on a 41 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: bathroom wall somewhere in Lagash. But we presume that the 42 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: people were caring for animals thousands of years before that, 43 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: because we domesticated animals thousands of years before that, and 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: just by the very virtue of us depending on those animals, 45 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: somebody along the way figured out it's kind of important 46 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: to keep these animals healthy and happy, and we need 47 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: to figure out tips and techniques for doing that. And 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: that was really the birth of veterinary medicine. Yeah, I mean, 49 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: you're their lives depended on these this live stock, live 50 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: stock mass uh, And so of course they wanted to 51 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: keep these things alive so they could use them in 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: all the ways that they were used. Uh. And of 53 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: course we're talking about at the time, like very rudimentary 54 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: stuff like hey, what should we feed them? And then uh, 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: let's watch and are they thriving? So let's either feed 56 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: them more of that or less of this. So in 57 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: other words, let's work on their diet. Let's who we 58 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: can get that right, Let's see what kind of like 59 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: herbs and fruits and roots and things like that we 60 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: could use to try and heal them. Uh. There's the 61 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: actual word veterinarian, which is an English term based on 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: the Latin verb the the hearing v A v e 63 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: h e r i, which is to draw, as in 64 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: like you know, uh, drawing horse or something like that, 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: like a horse drawing a wagon. It was. It was 66 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: because you could win an art scholarship if you could 67 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: draw that. Barrot right. Horses were the one thing that 68 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: I could draw because I had a book once that 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: taught me how to draw. Really, so you start with three. 70 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: Is that a book or a movie or something? I 71 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: don't know. It sounds like something done it um? Is 72 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: that what it is? Okay? So you start, You start 73 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: with a big circle, and then you make a slightly 74 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: less big circle a little to the left of that, 75 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: and then a little up into the left above that 76 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: slightly less big circle, you do a smallish circle, and 77 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: then you've got the rump, the front, and the head 78 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: of the horse, and you just start filling lines in 79 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: from there. And believe me, it works. Yeah, it really 80 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: works really well. Can you still draw a horse? I 81 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: haven't tried in a really long time, But will you 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: try and draw a horse and put that on your Instagram? 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: I would please? I will. By Josh oh that's funny. Um. 84 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: And then look, you know, you can look back on 85 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: that when you're fifty six and have all those fun 86 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: memories like I was so terrible at drying. We can 87 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: pull it out and say look what you did when 88 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: you were Uh. So we're gonna get to the US. 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: But all of this action right now, in terms of 90 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: caring for cattle and horses and cheap and things, is 91 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: in medieval or is in Europe. And in medieval Europe, um, 92 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: you might you know, have a status symbol animal like hey, 93 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm a falconer or something. Check out this bad boy 94 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: or look at these regal greyhounds. So they would care 95 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: in that case very specifically, would care for what we 96 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: might think of as a pet. But that was not 97 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: the common thing, and pets as far as veterinary care 98 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: didn't come around so much much later. No, but this 99 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: does support part of a long standing trip Asian that 100 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: exists still today that the the well off to the 101 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: uber wealthy are responsible for funding veterinary practices. You know. Yeah, 102 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: and um, in in Great Britain, in the United States, UM, 103 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: the ideas were that if you were responsible for um, 104 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: for putting shoes on a horse, if you were a ferrier. 105 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: You also more often I think than putting shoes on 106 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: a horseback, then you would carve their toe nails or 107 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: their hoofs I guess is another way to put it 108 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: if you want to get technical. Um, but there's a 109 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: certain way you can carve them to make them faster, 110 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: to make them more stable, to make sure they're not 111 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: their feet aren't aching that kind of thing, and that 112 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: kind of evolved into the earliest um I guess in 113 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: the US and Great Britain practitioners of of horse medical care. 114 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: If if you went to see the ferrier that he 115 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: could probably help you with your horse, especially if you 116 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: needed your horses John cut Off. Yeah, they they would. 117 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: That's one of the surgeries they would a fairier could 118 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: perform for you. You could also go to a cow 119 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: leach um, which is just kind of what you think. 120 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: It's someone who, uh, you know, someone who takes care 121 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: of hows. I guess it would use leeching methods and things, 122 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: but it was someone who specialized in dealing with your 123 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: sick cow. And again they were the fairiers, and the 124 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: cow leaches did this stuff because they were just around 125 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: them all the time, So it makes sense if you're 126 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: shoeing a horse, you're just you have more maybe an 127 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: intuitive sense of how to help a horse, you know 128 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, And so you would basically learn 129 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: this as an apprentice, which means that some my good 130 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: ideas were passed along, some really bad ideas were passed along. 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: There wasn't any book learning about caring for animals at 132 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the time, and there wasn't a lot of specialization outside 133 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: of fairiers um and I guess aside from I get 134 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: the impression that cows were getting some side attention here, 135 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: but for the most part, it was horse horse horse. 136 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: Of course, that was like the driving force of the 137 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: establishment of veterinary medicine as a as an actual specialist field. Yeah, 138 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: big time. And you might not be surprised. You may 139 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: be surprised to learn that it sort of not quite 140 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: lock step, but it sort of progressed. It feels like 141 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: just behind medicine on humans, Like as we started dissecting humans, 142 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: they started dissecting horses, and it just sort of makes sense. 143 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: It's like, these are other living mammals, and if we 144 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: learn how to study bones and muscles and organs of people, 145 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: then we can certainly learn how to do that on 146 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: this horse A sea change book came along in six 147 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: by Uh would that be Gervaise or Gervaise I'm going 148 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: with Gervaise, Okay, Gervais Markham called the new hotel name 149 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: by the ways mark them. Yeah, oh boy, I'd stay there. 150 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: Um and I love how I like on the nose. No, no, 151 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: the fake name you used to check the name of. 152 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: That sounds like during the January break. That sounds like 153 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: a hotel, Jane Gervais Markham. It sounds more like a 154 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: white heel um law firm. Alright, maybe is that the 155 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: right term, white heel. I don't know, well healed, well 156 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: he whe No, white hot, a white hot law firm. Yeah, 157 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: now I get you. Now. No, that's a great hotel 158 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: name to check in under Gervais market. Uh. And this 159 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: was back when book titles were more of a description 160 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: of what's in the book rather than and they still 161 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: try and get to that, like we learned that when 162 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: we titled our own book. But they were really on 163 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: the nose. Back then, this was called Markham's Masterpiece spelled 164 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: pe c containing all knowledge belonging to Smith, Ferrier or 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: worse leech touching on curing all diseases and horses. And 166 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm not joking when I said this thing was a 167 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: big deal. It was the go to book for two 168 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: hundred plus years. They were printing this thing two hundred years. 169 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: Imagine if our book was printed for the next two 170 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: hundred years, this would essentially be like the Horse Caring 171 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: for Bible, is what it was. The problem is this again, 172 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: a lot of those bad ideas um got put into 173 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: this book too and spread, like using leeches for blood letting, 174 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: um for things like purging, which I think is exactly 175 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: what it sounds like, Yeah, exactly, using herbal remedies, some 176 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: of which may or may not have worked. It's not 177 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: like we're saying like, nope, modern veterinary message is the 178 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: only possible way to care for an animal. Like I'm 179 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: sure a lot of these folk remedies did actually work, 180 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: just from you know, people trying them over and over 181 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: again finding this this this is pretty effective. But there 182 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: was also a lot of bunk in there too. Yet 183 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: these books were good enough that they for two hundred 184 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: years they were used to care for horses. I just 185 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: want to make sure that we got that point across. 186 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: Should we take a breaker weight let's take a break, Chuck, 187 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little riled up. Let's take a break. Good, 188 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: settle downy Okay, Chuck, you talked about a sea change. 189 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: You want to talk about a real sea change. I 190 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: got one right here. There's a guy named Claude borg 191 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Lot Lot. Yeah. He was a Riding Academy instructor actually, 192 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: the guy who ran the Riding Academy and Leon France 193 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: back in the seventeen sixties. And um, he said, you 194 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: know what, there's not a lot of like formal science 195 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: based education in caring for horses. And I think that's problematic. 196 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: So I'm going to write a little book in seventeen fifty, um, 197 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: talking about how to care for horses. But also I'm 198 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: going to kind of like go to Louis in his 199 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: court and say, guys, this is really, actually very important. 200 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: Horses have an enormous impact on our lives, and um, 201 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: I really think that we should start setting up horse 202 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: veterinary schools. And Louis the fifteenth said, Okay, I'm with you, man, 203 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Let's let's try it. Yeah, he said, you wanna you 204 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: wanna keep hunting foxes? King Louis said sure, And he said, 205 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: well your horses aren't doing so hot, and there's no 206 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: school to make them feel better, So why don't you 207 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: fund this? And they funded it, I believe, sort of 208 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: temporarily at first, and I guess it proved to be, 209 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, at least successful in off to really put 210 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: it on the books for good. I think what what 211 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: really changed things was something came along called, uh, the 212 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: render pest, which totally sounds like some folk horror movie 213 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: ari aster thing, But the render pest was the cattle 214 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: plague and it hit Europe in a big, big way, 215 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: and we're talking to the tune of about two hundred 216 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: million cattle dying over the course of what is that 217 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: like fifty something years in Europe alone. Yeah, in Europe. 218 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: So that that really made King Louise sit up and 219 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: take notice. So that short term grant become became permanent 220 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: state support. Uh. And this bourge a Lot guy was 221 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: he was a really big deal because he started a 222 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: couple of schools and it's it is what these schools did, 223 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: but it was also these schools then sprouting other schools, 224 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: and the people that he instructed then going on and 225 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: teaching others. It was really just the beginning of a movement, 226 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: which was vet School. And it was good that they 227 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: started that. Um that that that was kind of like 228 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: the ground zero for veterinary medicine because they seemed to 229 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: actually know what they were talking about. They used science based, 230 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: science backed best practices. Um. They It wasn't just a 231 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: lot of hokum, you know, they actually said, does this 232 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: actually work? Let's test it out, um. And so it 233 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: did spread, i think at first to Vienna in seventeen 234 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: sixty seven, about six years after the Leone School was 235 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: set up, uh, London, se Berlin, sevento. And then you know, 236 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: for those of us in America, you're like in America 237 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: in well, it wasn't about a little less than a 238 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: hundred years later beside before America really started to get 239 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: serious about veterinary medicine. Yeah. It was almost as if 240 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: the American colonists um set things up. They were like, 241 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna kind of do things like they 242 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: were done a hundred years ago in Europe where we 243 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: came from. Um that like we you know, they cared 244 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: about horses and cattle just in the same way that 245 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, as far as depending on them for all 246 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: the things that livestock provided but it was not. It 247 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: was just way less advanced. They were still doing the 248 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: the let's feed him this and see what happens, and 249 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: and again, this is a new country, so they were 250 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: there was a bit of a learning curve I think, 251 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: as far as um climate and like what's available to 252 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: eat and stuff like that, But it wasn't so different 253 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: that they had to kind of go back a hundred years. 254 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't think they were still using Gervais Markham's book 255 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: right though they were actually right, they definitely were. Yeah, 256 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: the thing I saw it described as so in the 257 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: United States in particular, it was just basically taken for 258 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: granted that if you own a horse or you own livestock, 259 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: you the horse owner, the farmer, has the knowledge to 260 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: care for and keep those those animals healthy. That that 261 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: it's your responsibility. That it was just viewed as you know, um, 262 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: veterinary medicine was just viewed as another chore around the farm. 263 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: It was not something that you need a book learning for. 264 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: You didn't need some pencil neck from the city to 265 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: come tell you how to do it right. Um. It 266 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: was just up to the farmer, the horse owner to 267 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: to care for their animal. Yeah, and I've got something 268 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: kind of staggering here that Lvia dug up um that horses. 269 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: Of course, here we go again. Man, it's so hard 270 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: to not say horses were the main animal that everyone 271 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: was concerned with. But uh. There was an analysis of 272 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: advertisements for veterinary remedies found in Tennessee newspapers from eight 273 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: and found that more than half worse from were for 274 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: horses and then following in order, where cow's, chickens, hogs, 275 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: and sheep. And what's astounding to me is that means 276 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: that someone did in an elysis a veterinary remedy advertisements 277 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: in Tennessee It's papers. Yeah, you got me with that. 278 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, so you found that astounding 279 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: up pulled it out at the end, some people who 280 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: had too much funding. Do you think O Livia did it? No. 281 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: I saw the paper and I don't remember who wrote it. Oh, man, 282 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: I was so hoping she'd be like, guys, I went 283 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: over and above this time it was me. Um so 284 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: the thing that um oh what was his name, Claude 285 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: bourge a lot, the guy who founded the Leon Veterinary 286 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: Academy that kind of spawned so many others. The thing 287 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: that he worened Louis the fifteenth about like, hey man, 288 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: you really depend on horses a lot. We need to 289 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: keep them safe. That kind of came in bit America, 290 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: horse bit America in the rear end um, because by 291 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies there was a horse um plague kind 292 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: of like cattle render pest, which, by the way, Chuck, 293 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: I just want to say this. Do you know render 294 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: pest is one of two diseases considered eradicated from Earth, 295 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: the other being smallpox. Yeah, it's almost kind of like 296 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: how smallpox devastated humanity. Render pest devastated cattle for very 297 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: a very very long time. And so we just said, 298 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: we're done with this, and so in two thousand and 299 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: eleven it was declared eradicated. They should decide that about 300 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: all disease. I agree. They're like, we're still making our 301 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: mind up about the other. We're done with this one, 302 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: let's get rid of it. So there was a horse 303 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 1: plague that came around at least some sort of epidemic 304 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: that really kind of spread throughout the United States, and um, 305 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: it showed America like, hey, you guys really depend on 306 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: horses because the horses all called in sick to work. 307 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. They did, and this is a time when uh, 308 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: there was I think what they responded with was, hey, 309 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: we need to care for our horses. But it wasn't 310 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: necessarily medical care. Still, it was, you know, again, let's 311 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: see if we can get their diet better. Maybe if 312 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: these horses are really sick, we should clean their stables 313 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: out more. Maybe we should you know, change their blankets 314 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: out and give them clean blankets, things like that. But 315 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: it still wasn't and you know, they had sort of 316 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: the home remedies and stuff they were still doing, but 317 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: it still wasn't this I guess what would have been 318 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: at the time advanced medical veterinary care happening. No, And 319 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: as a result, because they hadn't really figured this out yet, 320 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: those horses that were sick. Um the fire, the Great 321 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: Fire of Boston in eighteen seventy two burned as badly 322 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: as it did because the fire department basically had to 323 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: show up on foot. There weren't any horses available. They 324 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: were all sick. And also from that outbreak in the 325 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: eighteen seventies, the A s p c. A UM developed 326 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: and was actually given policing powers in New York City 327 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: because they would go around and inspect horses out on 328 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: the street to see if they were sick. Because if 329 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: you were an owner and you were making your horse 330 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: work sick, you were in big trouble, especially with the 331 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: A s p c A, because you could make other 332 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: horses sick or you were just doing the wrong thing both. Okay, yeah, 333 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: that's good to know. And again this is in America. 334 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: They were lagging behind such that they were still uh 335 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: using like you know, charms and rituals and spells and 336 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: things in some kind of rural parts of America. At first, 337 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny to think about, but this is 338 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: this is what it looked like at the time. Chuck 339 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: tell them how to cure bots, which is parasitic fly 340 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: infection that horses can get. Well. If you're talking about 341 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: the one from Bok mhm, this is from a healer, 342 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: I guess a horse healer in Pennsylvania and boxes that 343 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: parasitic infection. Uh, here's what you would do. I no 344 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: way you're making me read this. Uh. You would quote 345 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: stroke the horse down with the hand three times. M 346 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: so far, so good, lead it about three times, holding 347 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: its head towards the sun. Saying the Holy One saith 348 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: Jose have passed over a field, and there he found 349 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: three small worms, the one being black, another being brown, 350 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: and the third being read thou shalt die and be dead. 351 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: Can imagine passing your neighbor while they were doing this. 352 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: Wouldn't just be like, we need to get locks for 353 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: our doors. They just stroke that horse down three times. Yeah, 354 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: So moving on, Chuck. Finally, in the United States, Uh, 355 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: medicine itself wasn't really professionalized until the eighteen forties. Um, 356 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: but around the same time, kind of like you were saying, 357 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: and I think it was great Britain where the anatomists 358 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: and the veterinarians started kind of working side by side, 359 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: are co evolving. A similar thing happened in the United 360 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: States again just a hundred years later. So weird that 361 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: it took that long. And then finally, Um, it was 362 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: in large part thanks to the the Civil War too, 363 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: that gave people a great appreciation of all the importance 364 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: of the horse and how much we needed to care 365 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: for him. The thing is, we're still totally focused on 366 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: the horse, not just in the United States but around 367 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: the world. If you were a veterinarian, all you do 368 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: is horses, maybe cows, maybe chickens if you have a 369 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: huge gambling problem and are in debt or sheep, that's 370 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: but that's about it. Yeah, but really the big focuses 371 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: on horses still just horses, guys. I promise we're going 372 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: to get to doggies and kiddies at some point the 373 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: last two minutes. A big step forward was in eighteen 374 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: sixty three there were some veterinary surgeons from seven different 375 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: states who met in New York City and said, had 376 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: some drinks and said, have you seen what's going on 377 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: out there in the country, Like they're stroking horses down 378 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: and like they're doing whitches spells and it's just the 379 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: Stone Age. We need to get it together and said 380 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: They said b to that, and they established the U 381 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: S Veterinary Medical Association, which would become the American Vetinarity 382 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: Veterinary Medical Association, and said, you know what we should do. 383 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: Will let anyone in who is who says they are 384 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: a practicing veterinarian uh that has or even a student 385 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: that has at least three years experience, and they could 386 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: get in if they can practice, if they could pass 387 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: an oral exam like that, you got good teeth. That's 388 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: what I actually thought when I first read that. By 389 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: the way, really for for two seconds, I was like, 390 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: what has that got to do with what a dummy? Uh? 391 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: If they passed an oral exam and could provide documentation 392 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: or even just testimonials that said, you know, these are 393 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: my qualifications. Plus they had to walk around the room 394 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: with a stack of books on their heads without dumping 395 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: them over, that's right, very important work. Uh. And Josiah H. Stickney, 396 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: as a graduate of Harvard Medical School, was the very 397 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: first president of of the I guess at the time 398 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: the us v m A. And that's uh, that's that's legit. 399 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: You know, Harvard Medical School, you're right there in five 400 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: step with with medical doctors at the time. Right. So 401 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: that became the American Veterinary Medical Association, which is still 402 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: around today. And this was the eighteen sixties. And then 403 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: Congress even said, hey, get this, we want to get 404 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: in on the act. If you are a if you're 405 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: in the cavalry, uh, you have to have at least 406 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: one fairier in a regiment, and that fairier. If you're 407 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: going to take care of horses, you have to have 408 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: a degree from a veterinary college. We're gonna start taking 409 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: this seriously from now on, everybody. Okay, no more messing around, 410 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: no more heck craft or anything like that. We're done 411 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: with that. We're gonna get into science now. Yeah, quit 412 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: stroking down that horse and go to school. Uh. A 413 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: lot of veterinary institution and sprang out from this, and 414 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: these were for profit places. The quality was very uneven. 415 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: He still hapn't about that. The quality was very uneven 416 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: at these schools, and most of them were in big cities, 417 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: of course, still focusing on those horses. But then something 418 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: weird happened. The automobile came along. Horses were kind of 419 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: kicked to the curb literally and off the streets, and 420 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a lot of these uh, veterinary 421 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: schools closed up shop. They're like, well, that's it, that's 422 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: that's our practice. What else is there to do? And 423 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: by the end of the nineteen twenties they were all 424 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: but gone. Yes, but there was a an astounding stroke 425 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: of good luck for the veterinarians who were who were 426 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: around at the time. Okay, and that is that um 427 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: up to that point, like if you treated anything but horses, 428 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 1: you were on a descending hierarchy kind of like I 429 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: was talking about before, and one thing you just did 430 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: not do was treat dogs. If you're a veterinarian, you 431 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: did not treat dogs. And veterinarians were totally fine with 432 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: that until the horse kind of lost its importance like 433 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: you were talking about, and so veterinarians kind of started 434 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: to look around and they realized that in Great Britain 435 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: there was a woman named Maria Dicken who had established 436 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals of the Poor. Yes, 437 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: free treatment to any sick animals anybody brought in. It 438 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: was a real hit among the poor and cheapscape pet 439 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: owners at the time. And um, they were doing it 440 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: without any veterinary training whatsoever. They were just using trial 441 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: and error. And just from that kind of experience, I 442 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: actually got really good at treating dogs. And so veterinarians said, well, 443 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: we don't have horses to practice on anymore. We're gonna 444 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: take over dogs and we're going to go after the 445 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: p ds A and basically make them work with us. 446 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: All Right, I feel like that's a great the little 447 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: cliffhanger there, we're finally at doggies. We're still not at kiddies. 448 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: Yet everybody, believe it or not, they too, even a 449 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: little bit longer. But we'll get to that right after this. 450 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: All right, So where we left off was you introduced 451 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: a woman named Maria Dicken who did great work kind 452 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: of founding the idea of what do you call him, 453 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: like like like you know, like a free animal clinic. Yeah, 454 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: free clinic for animals. Yeah, free for animals. I feel 455 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: like there's a word that I can't quint land end on. 456 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: It's free clinic. No, that's not it, but but that 457 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: is it. So it's fine. But in the inboratory, she 458 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: didn't know she did great work. Uh they I think 459 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: they had a patient load at one point. Now, okay, 460 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: but then I'm out of ideas of over four hundred 461 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: thousand um like treatments per year. That's a that's a lot. 462 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: But like you said, the people that studied in school 463 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: to be vets all of a sudden found their callfers 464 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: empty because all the horses were just standing around doing nothing. Now, 465 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: and a very wealthy woman left fifty thou pounds to 466 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: the p d s A and the Royal College of 467 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: Veterinary Surgeons said, well wait a minute, we we should 468 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: have some of that money, because you're giving all this 469 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: money to this place it's not even accredited with doctors. 470 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: And that's what kind of got them together. And they 471 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: started hiring doctors, either kind of permanently as full time 472 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: staff or farming their cases to these professional doctors. Right, 473 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: and so veterinary medicine kind of transitioned at the same time. 474 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: Uh that people in the West and Great Britain in 475 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: the United States as well, We're starting to kind of 476 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: change how they viewed dogs, like their dogs were brought 477 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: in from the outside. They became members of the family 478 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: UM and so as such, people were willing to spend 479 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: money on their medical treatment and they would go to 480 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: medical professionals and the veterinary practitioners were waiting there with 481 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: open arms and UM bills in hand. That's right. Uh 482 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: So we move on to our second hero of the story. 483 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: If you're a cat person, you need to know this 484 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: man's name, and it was Louis or Louie. Do you 485 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: know which one. Let's go with Louis Louis. No, No, no, no, 486 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I realized now it's got to be Louis. 487 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: It is Louis because his name is Louis Commody. That's right. 488 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Louis Jacob Moody was in a veterinary a specialist in 489 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: New York City and Louis Comody said, you know what, 490 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: A cat saved my life. When I was a kid, 491 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: there was a house fire and I guess this cat 492 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: went over to him and went fire and woke Moody up. 493 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: And this is his story. And he said, so you 494 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. I am going to dedicate 495 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: my life to caring for the cats of the Greater 496 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: New York area. And everyone went, you mean cats? You 497 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: mean these things? We those things we kick off the 498 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: sidewalk because they're annoying us. And he went, cats the 499 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: thing that saved my life, right and um. He actually 500 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: his daughter credited him with elevating cats to the status 501 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: they enjoy now. Again it's like a beloved member of 502 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: the family. Before if you kept cats around, it was 503 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: probably because you had a rat problem. The cats provided 504 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: a function. They were like, you know, working animals in 505 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and all of a sudden their pets. Um. 506 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: And he wrote a book called All My Patients Are 507 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: under the Bed. It is super cute. Um. So Louie commuty. Second, uh, 508 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: second hero, and then there's another hero that comes up 509 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: in a second. I don't want to jump too far ahead, 510 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give everybody your name. Her name is 511 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: Lilah Miller, and she is known as the mother of 512 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: shelter medicine. And thanks to her in the nineteen seventies 513 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: and people working in the decades leading up to that, UM, 514 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: we went from the wholesale slaughter of dogs and cats 515 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: unwanted dogs and cats too, essentially no kill shelters that 516 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: killed just a tiny fraction euthanized a tiny fraction of 517 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: the dogs and cats that come coming to their their doors. Shelter. 518 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: That was the word I was looking for. No, that 519 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: wasn't quite right. No, an infirmary works better, clinic works better, 520 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: laboratory works better than shelter. All of them worked better. YEA, 521 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're looking for the wrong word, you know. Yeah, 522 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: I guess, So you just gotta own it. Uh yeah. 523 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: So we don't have to get to in depth here, 524 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: but suffice to say, like well into the nineteen seventies, 525 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: the way we got rid of um stray dogs and 526 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: stray cats was reprehensible and terrible. I have to say 527 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: one thing, though, I agree, we don't need to get 528 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: into it, but um, there were so you know how 529 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: like there's just like it's literally open season on some 530 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: animals that there's too much of still today they call 531 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: them cullings or whatever. It was like that in the cities, 532 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: but with dogs and cats. But it makes you think like, okay, 533 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: well everybody back then was super heartless. Not true. There 534 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: were sociopathic sickos who would become those people who who 535 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: like killed their quota and there weren't quotas, by the way, 536 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: but they would round these these dogs and cats up 537 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: and carry them off in the wagon. Does wagons would 538 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: be frequently attacked and the drivers like beaten and the 539 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: cats and dogs inside freed by just average residents in 540 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: a city when they saw these wagons go past, even 541 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: back then, so they were like I think most people 542 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: still felt about you know, animals like dogs and cats 543 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: like we do today, just they didn't keep them in 544 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: their house. But they still saw him as these living, 545 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: sentient beings that are worthwhile and shouldn't just be you know, 546 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: murdered for good reason by some the local sicko. Totally alright, 547 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: So back to Lilah, Miller, I'm glad you said that, 548 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: because that's that's a pretty good, uh factoid. I'm not 549 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm not for taking matters in your own hands and 550 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: like street violence, but I don't know in that case, 551 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: free the dogs. And I'm glad you said that because 552 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if you were bored with my story 553 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: or not. No, not at all. Uh. It reminds me 554 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: of a T shirt Emily has That's a very popular 555 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: shirts is be kind to animals or I'll kill you. 556 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: That's a great So Lila Miller, she was one of 557 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: the very first UH African American woman to graduate from 558 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: Cornell's Veterinary College. She was the one, like you said, 559 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: she came along said we can do better. At the time, 560 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: even if you know, I mean, I guess they were 561 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: mostly kill shelters at the time. Um, but even if 562 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: maybe you were one of the few that wasn't, it 563 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: was still probably like a warehouse, uh that didn't have 564 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: great care for animals. It just was not like what 565 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: it is today. And we have Lila Miller to thank 566 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: for that. Yeah. She um to change protocols, Yeah for sure. Um. 567 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: She she like she basically came into the field and said, 568 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: this is all low hanging fruit. We're doing basically nothing 569 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: to help improve the lot of these animals. So let's 570 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: start doing things like setting up adoption programs, making sure 571 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: they get vaccinated, making sure they get spayed and newter. 572 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: That was a fairly recent thing from the sixties or 573 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: the seventies. Maybe um oh no, I'm sorry from it 574 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: started in the thirties, but culturally it wasn't a really 575 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: big thing until the sixties or the seventies thanks to 576 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: people like Lyla Miller and Bob Barker no joke. Um. 577 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: And and as a result, because of these these protocols 578 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: that she came up within just the complete change and 579 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: attitude she brought to animal shelters, um, the rates of 580 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: euthan asia just plummeted in cities around the country. Like, 581 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: if you want to be grossed out, go look at 582 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: euthanasia rates of cities like Los Angeles or New York 583 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: or Boston in like nineteen sixty. Um, it's just mind boggling. 584 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: And now it's down to just a small fraction of 585 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: what it used to be because so many of those 586 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: dogs are adopted out because of these change of protocols. 587 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: Thanks to Lyla Miller and others like her. Yeah, and 588 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean, just so much has changed since then, Uh 589 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: as the dog and cat population has grown, and even 590 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: more and more pets have have come inside. I mean 591 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: you think, like, yeah, people started having pets a while ago, 592 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: and uh, and it's been fairly static. But get this 593 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: stat between the number of pet dogs in the US 594 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: grew by fifty and by almost two thirds of household 595 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: pets owned at least or households owned at least one pet, 596 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: and those pets sometimes had pets where. Uh and just 597 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: the you know, you and I grew up in the 598 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties. I'm a little bit older, but I 599 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: even remember being a kid and like very shamefully, I mean, 600 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: we didn't live in the country, but we lived you know, 601 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: we lived in the woods on a couple of acres 602 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: in suburban Atlanta. And like my parents grew up in 603 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: and not rural Tennessee. But you know, they didn't grow 604 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: up in big cities in the nineteen like forties and fifties. 605 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: So like I, we didn't take our animals to the 606 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: that like, we had cats that came and went, they 607 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: weren't inside. We had dogs that were out in an outdoor. 608 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: And that's not to say, like, you know, if people 609 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: have a very nice outdoor enclosure for their dog and 610 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: that works for them and the dog is safe, that's 611 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: a personal choice. I think all dogs should be in 612 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: bed with you personally. But I'm not gonna like, I'm 613 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: not shaming people that might have an outdoor dog or 614 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: cat as long as they're really really cared for. It's 615 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: not what I do. But back then, like our animals 616 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: never came inside. If a cat happened to run inside, 617 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: it was like, get them out of here. And I 618 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: wasn't saying that. I was like, oh, the cats inside, 619 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: the cat's inside. But like the the notion of uh 620 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: and this was like even veterinary care, Like if they 621 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: really really really needed something, our animals would go to 622 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: the vet. And this is like the shameful admission. This 623 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: isn't not trying to like out my family, but this 624 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: is kind of how it was, is what I'm saying. 625 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: And but the notion of taking your animals in once 626 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: a year for a checkup, right, was just people didn't 627 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: do that kind of thing back then. No, it's a 628 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: really relatively new thing, and it's it's evolved in lockstep 629 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: with the amount of money that the middle class and 630 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: upwards were willing to pay to to take care of 631 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: their pets. In the amount of pets. That's part of 632 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: it too. And also I believe that veterinarians have um 633 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,479 Speaker 1: come up with new and amazing ways to to bill 634 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: you that you can't spend money on your pets. Oh 635 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: God bless them. We'd spend a lot of money there 636 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: for sure. And then also there's been um a lot 637 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: more specialization as a result, so you don't have to 638 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: go to the same vet for your dogs, you know, 639 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: Raby's shot and to treat their you know, tumor or 640 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: something like that. Like there's there's pet oncologists, neurologists, epidemiologists, um, 641 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: it's it's really something. But because veterinarians they they don't 642 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: learn essentially as a profession, they went from being completely 643 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: with all their eggs in the horse basket to totally 644 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: abandoning the horse and putting it all in the pet basket. 645 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: And as a result, there's this there's a real shortage 646 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: of rural veterinarians who are large animal vets that know 647 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: how to work on a horse, that that know how 648 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: to work on a cow. Um, and I'm guessing that 649 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: that's going to be something that will have to be 650 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: addressed eventually. Yeah for sure. I mean it's really amazing 651 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: how things have changed in the past, like you know, 652 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: thirty forty years in the U. States. Uh. And I 653 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: want to shout out my vet. Can I do that? Uh? Yes, Well, 654 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shout out Avondale Vetinary Hospital because they're great. 655 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: We followed our doctor Stacy Stacy is her name, when 656 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: she left our old VET to go to a new practice. 657 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: We followed her there because she's so great. So big 658 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: ups to Dr Stacy and Dr Graff and Michelle and 659 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: Kim and Leona and Cat and Abbey and Jordan and 660 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: Jennifer and Carrey and everyone else who helps out there. Uh, 661 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: they're awesome. And I just you know, more and more 662 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: people are becoming and you know, we should mention another 663 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: reason that there's more veterinary care is more people are 664 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: interested in becoming vets. Um that that job has really 665 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 1: exploded over the last twenty or thirty years. Yeah, for sure, 666 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: it's good work. Um, I guess I'll showed up mose Vet. 667 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: We're actually torn right now because mose Vet left Dr Jennasco, 668 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: who's awesome. She went to another practice. But we love 669 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: the practice that Mos at so much for like hemming 670 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: and hauling about. That's tough. See, we were ready to leave. 671 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: We're getting a little frustrated with other parks parts of 672 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: the old practice. So when Dr Stacy left, we were like, 673 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: oh great, this is perfect. That's awesome. So that's a 674 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: tough decision for you. It is the compromise we came 675 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: up with. We're just going to get We're gonna double 676 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: up on everything that mogus done. Just go to both 677 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: one right after the other. Man. Double in your bed, Bill, 678 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: I love it. I have a little Mo anecdote if 679 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: you don't mind me sharing, I would love to hear 680 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: about little Momo. So you me told me just this 681 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: morning that Mo has a new um. So you said 682 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: dogs should sleep in bed with you. Mo definitely sleeps 683 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: in bed with us. Um and most developed a new 684 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: habit where uh you mean will be spooning Mo and 685 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: Mo will decide that she wants to get on the 686 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: other side now. But rather than just get up and 687 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: crawl over you mean get on the other side, she 688 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,959 Speaker 1: wants you me to spoon her, but on the other side, 689 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: so she'll tap you me until she wakes up, Yeah, 690 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: and gets that she needs to roll over now because 691 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: Mo wants to spoon on this boy. Mo runs us 692 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: for sure. Well, yeah, at least somebody's in charge, that's right. 693 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: Are you got anything else? I got nothing else? Okay, Well, 694 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about veterinarians, go get 695 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: friendly with the veterinarian. They'll tell you what you want 696 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: to know. Uh. And since I said that, it's time 697 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: for listener mail, all right, so I can't put it 698 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: off any longer. We're gonna go through some of the 699 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: favorite tangents of two from from Ian Bowers of San Dusky, Ohio. 700 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: Ian put together our Tangents and non Sequiturs list, and 701 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: we said, hey, if you want to keep doing this, 702 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: we'll read it. And so Ian said, great, So here 703 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: we go. I'm gonna go through these pretty quick. But 704 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: these are these are fun walk down memory lane for us, 705 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: because we we forget these jokes all the time. The 706 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: Mystery of the towy Bee Tiles Josh's Love of the 707 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock presents the three Detectives books. The Mystery of 708 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: Coal episode uh, stainless steel pickup trucks at the Atlanta Olympics, 709 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: and how you still haven't seen them? Yeah, that one's 710 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,959 Speaker 1: popped up a few times. Water Land acknowledgements from May tenth. 711 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: A Beastie Boys dad joke leads Chuck and Josh to 712 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: reciting their favorite Beastie Boys line, and Chuck reveals the 713 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: acts sidentally taught his daughter and the inappropriate Beastie Boys 714 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: lyric when she was too young. Did I tell you 715 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: off the air? No, I don't believe you did. Alright, 716 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a short break and I'll let 717 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: you know right now and then we'll be back in 718 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: one second. Oh my goodness. So well, okay, Well that's 719 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: Josh's literal reaction to what I just told him. I'm 720 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: so sorry, everybody, what a tease. I can't tell everybody sorry. 721 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: Uh oh. Interestingly, Cat's invasive species long discussion right at 722 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: the top of Josh and Chuck's favorite newspaper cartoon strips. 723 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: Sure of course. Uh. May thirty one, The Scintillating World 724 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: of Interest rates discussion of the movie The Green Knight, lean, 725 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: Josh and Chuck agreeing that has a flawless streak of 726 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: movie releases rock and We're gonna go see the Whale 727 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: in the theater soon and I don't want to know 728 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: anything about it other than released it. Uh, talk to 729 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: me after you see it. Um. June seventh, Freedom of 730 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: the Press, a very intricate, descriptive three minute discussion of 731 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: how Josh and Chuck would ride a horse over a cliff. 732 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: I remember this one wearing individual parachutes. I remember that too. 733 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: We landed safely, if I remember correctly, we did. I 734 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: like that when that bugs some people, though, UM, let 735 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: me see July five, ultra processed foods. Josh eating hot 736 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: wings while wearing finger condoms, and the director Chuck worked 737 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: for he would eat cheetahs wearing surgical gloves as a 738 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: bit that was Tom Schiller. Uh. Supernova July nineteenth, UM 739 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: discussion of which britpop bands are cool and which ones weren't. 740 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: Planet Sterilizing event should be our britpop album name is 741 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: what I said? And you said Zombie Stars the name 742 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: of our britpop band. Those two still work really well, 743 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: I agree, silly string Uh we Josh brings up a 744 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: video of a dog that got into a guerrilla enclosure 745 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: at a zoo. Oh. Yeah, that poor dog. I remember 746 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: that side note one of Josh's looser episodes, very amusing. Okay, 747 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: what was it against silly String? Yeah, I I can't 748 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: believe I didn't take silly String seriously. Short stuff, the 749 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: Burner Street hoax, Chuck's daughter's love of the songs girls 750 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 1: just want to have fun and her brief only girls 751 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: want to have fun and boys do not. M that's 752 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,280 Speaker 1: still ongoing. By the way, is there really Yeah? September 753 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: six about Mallory and Mount everest um oh, not a tangent, 754 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: but Chuck casually mentioned the rope trauma. Josh Josh brussatt 755 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,720 Speaker 1: Bush passed it without asking what happened to Chuck's dismay. 756 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: At that point, Chuck refused Chuck he should say, became 757 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: a big baby and refused to tell the story of 758 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: what happened. Despite Josh asking repeatedly, Chuck said, I'll take 759 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: it to his grave. Classic s y s came moment, 760 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: how the license place work, Chuck, Chuck's incredu incredulity. Sorry 761 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: that Josh didn't know what Sarah about Sans Sara, he 762 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: should say Chuck was a big jerk about the fact 763 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: that Josh to know that that was the one you 764 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: apologized about later, right, don't feel bad and no one 765 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: ever wants to be told who you know? I mean, 766 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: it just made me feel bad all over again. Uh. 767 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: And then finally, from just recently November on Goose Bumps, 768 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: whether all or just some of the members of the 769 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: band Boston to school it in m T Did we 770 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,800 Speaker 1: ever figure that out? They definitely did not, But I 771 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: didn't look it up. I just knew that. Oh well, 772 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,280 Speaker 1: that was very nice of you just gently walked past 773 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: it later on. Thanks Ian Bowers. Once again, this is 774 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. We'll read them again next year. 775 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: Very nice. Thanks Ian, Thank you for um completing that 776 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: very stressful assignment. We would love it if you did 777 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: it again. Okay, I agreed. 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