WEBVTT - Draft Show: 3 Weeks 'Til Draft Day 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.880 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.120 on our war room for in center news and draft 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:19.239 analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:24.320 the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Elliot and now 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:30.680 your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us well. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.280 Twenty one days from now, we're gonna get to participate 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:38.800 in an NFL draft, and I'll welcome everybody in. Brian 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.560 brought us along with Dane Brugler, CBS Sports, David Hellman 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.800 from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Kent Garrison, Executive producer, twenty 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.000 one days Boys. We talked about it yesterday a little bit, 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.120 a little bit, one more day closer. We do keep 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.440 doing these shows every day. We'll eventually get there. Weeks, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.800 three weeks, three weeks. April has gotta be at least 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.000 for me, it's the best sports month of the year. Yeah. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.360 Your tribes just beating up on our rangers. I don't 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.160 want to bring that up. Go away about that. As 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.400 the Mariner man, he's oo and three two over here. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.160 We've got the Master's going on right now, got the 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:13.959 Master's going on. Yeah, it's it's just a great month, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.200 a lot going on. So three weeks hard to believe. Yeah, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.400 it is hard to believe. We started this what over 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.560 three months ago? Yeah, right before they right before the 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:28.520 Senior Bowl January twentieth, probably something like that, something like that. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.479 I abviously lose track of days. I just know it's 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.760 three weeks till the draft. I'm excited about that. Wanted 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.520 before we get going at well, today, we're gonna talk 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.080 a little bit about clean up some Pro day stuff 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.720 I want to do that we had LSU and Baylor 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.600 were the last two really that we have the big 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.520 schools pro Days. We got these thirty visits that are 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.040 going on right now here at the Star. I also 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.000 want to get into I'm gonna try and get you 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.800 guys to go up or back in this draft. Okay, 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.680 throw some numbers out there at you and see if 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.120 you're interested in doing that. Back sure, up? No, Well, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.480 we'll see if we can make you change your mind. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.880 I'm not gonna make you go too terribly far. Okay, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.560 I'm gonna make you go a few picks just to 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.400 kind of see if you're interested in And I'll have 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.520 Tony Romo as a bargaining Chimpaney. Now you don't, but 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.880 we'll do that. We're gonna get into a little twitter 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.359 on the twenty, which we encourage everybody to get their 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.320 questions in. At the draft show, David Hellman will carry that. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.880 That's one of my favorite things we do because it's 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.799 the interaction with the fans. That's really what this is 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.320 all about, the interaction that we can have with you. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.960 We always talk about investigate and educate. That's that will 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.959 always be our motto, and so I want to be 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.880 able to answer as many questions as we can. We'll 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.359 also get into tell me more five players that you 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:48.000 might not know much about, but Dan Burglar myself will 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.560 try and educate you on those guys as well. So 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.200 Dan clean up the pro day now, we had some 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:59.679 talk about that. Adams the safety from LSU ran in 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.120 the four or threes. I got some confirmation from my 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.280 guys that I was talking to. They got him at 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.880 the four three eight is what they said. And the 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.160 guys I talked to there had them mid four four. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.839 So regardless, good times, good times, especially an improvement from 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.920 the four or five six right that he had at 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.760 the combine, and he did exactly what you expect, and 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.680 this is what teams expected of Tease Tabor. You know, 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.800 you run a pedestrian time with the combine. Sometimes that happens, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.440 you know, it's the combine is a nerve wrecking racking 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.520 event where you're are just you're on edge, You're you're 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.600 not yourself. You're putting this position where a lot's riding 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.440 on it, so you're just Sometimes the jitters and everything 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:44.960 get get the most of you and you don't run 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.520 the best time that you you know you can. And 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.000 to Jamal Adams credit, he said, that's not what I 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.000 could run. I can run a lot better. He trained, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.160 he got better, and it showed estraight during the pro day. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.720 So he did exactly what scouts want to see. You 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.440 see that improvement in the drills. And that's the only 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.440 drill he did, the only athletic testing drill that he did. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.880 Surprised that four net. You know he ran the four. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.400 I didn't care about the forty, right, he ran a 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.000 four or five one of the combine. That's good enough. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.840 That's fine at two pounds, thought, right, you don't need 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.840 to see that again. Twenty eight and a half inch 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.600 vert and then he said, okay, I'm done at the combine, right, 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.080 and you know whatever, Fine, he wasn't having a good day. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.280 Probably thought it was going to snowball on him a little, right, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.200 And that's fine. So I combine. I didn't beat him 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.840 up for that like that. That's fine. You wait till 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.200 your pro day. At the pro day, he didn't do anything. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.440 He did positional drills, but he didn't he didn't jump, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.960 he didn't do any of the cone drills. So to me, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.719 that's curious. I mean, I guess, I mean, does he 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.359 think he's the top running back he doesn't have to 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.200 do anything? Is that that? What's his mindset? I mean, 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.040 he's two hundred and twenty eight pounds, so he got 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.719 he's down from two forty. Yeah, you figured with the 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.960 with the weight loss, Yeah, that he probably felt like, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.400 you know what, I'm too heavy here to really change directions. Well, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.800 so now I'm at two twenty eight, right, maybe you 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.880 to give it a go, put a better foot forward. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.280 All it does is create questions, Now, is this going 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.000 to cause him to free fall down boards? No, but 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.720 it does create questions that we talked about this off 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.520 the air yesterday, like aren't you just a little bit concerned. Yeah, 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.960 I'm a little bit concerned. I mean, Leonard Fournette is 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.120 seventeenth overall on my board, and I think that's lower 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:19.800 than most people have him. I still think he's worth 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.680 a mid first round pick, but there are enough questions 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.159 there that that worry me. It's why I have Dalvin 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.920 Cook and Christian McCaffrey over him. I think he's a 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.880 good player, and you get excited about what he could 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.279 be at the NFL level that but there are just questions. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.200 Albert Brewer from the NFL, it's not NFL networking Wris 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.160 with Peter King's group, I'm not mistaken. Monday Morning quarterback 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.920 on a tweet last night late was talking about that 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.159 people and I don't know if this is you know, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.480 we get the lying bit going on right now. I'm 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.440 sure Albert's got some really good sources, but you talk 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.440 about it. He said, McCaffrey maybe a top ten player. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.359 Do you see that going in the top ten. I 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.440 think he's a top fifteen player. So yeah, I don't 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.760 think it's a stretch to put him in the top ten. Wow, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.880 He's I love him. He's I've said this before. I 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.960 don't think this is an exaggeration, But I think he's 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.000 the smartest ball carrier I've ever evaluated. He's just so 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.960 smart with reading his blocks, understanding where spaces are going 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.599 to be. You know, he gets down. You rarely see 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.800 him get hit really hard because he understands when the 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.440 mission's over and you know, he understands how to avoid 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.440 those big hits. But he can also break those big runs. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.120 He's a phenomenal athlete. There's just so much to like 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.800 with this player is versatility. Now again, you have to 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.160 be your a little creative because he's two hundred two pounds. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.719 You know, he's not going to be a workhorse between 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.920 the tackles, so you have to be a little creative 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.120 with how you use him. But as long as you 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.479 have an open mind, absolutely I would not argue with 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.000 you if you tell me he's a top ten player. Okay, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.320 then with that being said, David, you have a problem 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.640 with that, don't you. I just worried that if that 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.840 were going to happen, that if you're gonna use a 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:02.400 top ten pick on him, you probably have a good 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:03.919 idea what to do with him, But I would worry 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.720 that you're not going to use him the right way. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.600 You're not going to use him enough to justify that 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.520 because I don't see him as a workhorse running back 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.320 and so and that's honestly I see him going or 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.000 I would think he would go later because the teams 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.680 that I think would use him the right way, or 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.760 the teams that don't need that feature back. You know, 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.440 That's why he was always such a popular pick to 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.480 the Patriots because of that very reason. And then you 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.680 think about some other teams. I know people have talked 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.200 about the New York Giants, who already have Paul Perkins 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.320 to help out with that. So I think I just 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.080 I don't know, if you know, people said four was 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.440 too high for Zeke to be the workhorse, and Christian 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.440 McCaffrey's sure not going to be your workhorse running backs, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.800 So you better scheme up a hell of a blueprint 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.480 to get him enough touches to make him worth a 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.800 top ten pick. I've been mocking a number fourteen to Philly, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.520 and if I'm the Cowboys, I hate that. That scares 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.040 the heck out of me. I know he's in the 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.400 twilight of his career. What does that do with Darren Sprowls? Though, 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.760 I mean they already have that they do. But no, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.480 like you said, I mean he's on he's on the 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.320 back nine. Yeah, you know, he is my favorite line. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.840 He's he's on like sixteen or seventeen. He's putting out. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.680 But with with this player, I think that'd be a 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.760 situation where that's a team that would be able to 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:21.800 use in the right way. I think coach Peterson would 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:23.480 know how to use that type of talent. Don't and 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.480 I'm just playing Devil's advocate, don't based on and I 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.520 got to watch Philly twice last year. Don't you think 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.280 that they need more Not that he's a great player, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.520 but like they need somebody more than a gad gadget back. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.120 Is disrespectful to how good he is. But a guy 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.520 who's not your feature back. I agree. I think they 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.840 need more of a power guy they need, you know, 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.360 more of or a receiver who's worth a damn for 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.760 that matter. Right, No, I think that's fair. Um, And 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.240 I think with McCaffrey, I think he can be a 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.440 feature back. You just have to tweak your definition of 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.160 what feature back is. You know you're going to uh, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.040 you know, put a motion amount in the slot you're 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.040 going to He's he'd be the best route runner on 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.800 Philly right now. I mean he's that type of versus 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.400 you know, that type of versatility. I think you can 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.120 use that in today's NFL. So I don't know, Like 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.600 I said, you have to be an open, open minded 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.000 play caller or a guy like this. So not he's 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.520 not gonna fit everyone, but for the right fit to 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.719 go to go and ask you this though, real quick 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.520 if I can. Yeah, of course you know that. You 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.320 know the Saints pretty well, Oh my god, he would 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.800 be And this is what Sean Payton if you get 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.760 if you look at what happened with the Saints when 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.840 they let Sprowles walk, you know, I mean they had 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.920 six Yeah, is this Sean? You know? Is this Sean? 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:42.080 He's got two first round picks? I means is eleven? 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.840 I mean you don't think it's too rich, Dave, you 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.000 think it's too rich, but it's the is the fit 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.360 at the Saints at eleven? Actually the Saints at the 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.600 very least. The Saints have two first rounds. They need 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.599 to try and fix their defense. They've been trying to 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.720 do that for twenty six years now. That's and Drew 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:04.960 Brees makes you prime rib out of exactly potato salad whatever. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:06.880 That's a terrible analogy, but you get my point, Like, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.800 he doesn't need a top ten pick. Terribly awesome. He's 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.040 got Willie Snead over there doing stuff like I don't 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:14.960 I think he would be amazing in New Orleans, but 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.080 I don't think you can justify. I'm just trying to 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.520 find a spot for him. It would be if Dan's 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.360 got him in the top fifteen. You know, I'm sitting there. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.520 And if Philadelphia is a team you talked about, but 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.559 I'm thinking about as your team. I'm trying to get 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.719 him close to the top ten. If Albert Brewer's right 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.720 and teams are talking about him as potentially a top 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.720 ten pick, I think Buffalo is at ten. I don't 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.800 think Buffalo would do it. I'm just trying to get 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.319 a teams. Carolina is a team to everybody puts a 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.400 running back to. Yeah, but I don't see Carolina doing that. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.760 And I mean I see Carolina going to get in. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.960 It's not any running back that people mocked to Carolina either. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.480 It's almost always four Nette. It's always four Net. They 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.080 want that. They want the power back, Yeah, they want 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.800 the power back. It's New Orleans the team that could 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.800 do it at eleven. I think that it's possible, and 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.040 I think the instant narrative would be, well, did Reggie 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.560 Bush live up to you know, the number two overall 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.240 pick when he went to the Saints? And no he 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.199 did not. He had a solid career, but he did 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.720 not live up. And I think that'd be the what 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.120 people would instantly talk about. Would Okay, it was Christian 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.320 McCaffrey going to live up to being the eleventh overall 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.840 pick with the Saints. You know, it's a high investment. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.160 You have to use him correctly. But way, man, you're 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.280 you're selling me on this guy that I like the 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.320 I like them. Starting with the narrative would be the 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.199 Saint is it's all someone's gonna take peppers, and the 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.079 narrative is gonna be that whole thing, and some GM 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.520 is gonna stand up there and with a big ego 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.560 and be patting himself on the back for taking pepper. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.920 New Orleans would be like a damn near carbon copy 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.440 of the situation here, which is like, yeah, he fills 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.360 a role and you can use him and it would 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.760 make your offense even scarier. But you got so many 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.480 other problems that you need to worry about, especially and 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.480 the Saints are picking eleventh twenty eight. Well they're eleventh 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.520 and thirty two. You've got two. If I were them, 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.240 if and he might, he probably won't. But if McCaffrey 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.000 fell all the way to thirty two, sure, but not 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.160 at eleven. I mean somebody like a will be up 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:01.720 on the table at twenty eight if he gets all 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.959 the way down, that badass pass rusher is going to 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.920 be there at eleven like somebody really good. I've I've 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.280 got him taken, Ruben Foster even better. That's that's something 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.160 that makes a lot of sense there. I actually and okay, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.640 Philip would make their defense instantly more tougher. Billy makes sense, 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.720 and it would not be great from that standpoint again, though, 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.280 I mean, like I think about like Mike Williams or 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.400 Corey Davis. You know, Carson Wentz doesn't have any We 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.760 were talking about Fournette and they brought in all Shan Jeffrey, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.440 they brought in Tory Smiths, you know, but both of 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.960 those are essentially one year deals. So you can't rule 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:43.240 out a wide receiver there, especially at fourteen. What about 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.920 and and it's it's not the top ten, it's you're 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.240 falling a little bit. But I've heard the Giants is 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.439 another one that I think it makes sense and people 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.120 have talked about it. You have again, Paul Perkins was 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.480 pretty solid last year. He's a he's your third down back, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.960 he's your seever back. Obviously. I mean, it makes that 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.160 offense even scarier than it already is with Marshall and Beckham. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.199 And I think there we are talking about a guy 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.240 that is it's got everybody excited. But we went away 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.760 from the Fournette discussion. You know, I'm that and and 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.280 I think everybody it could could Who would be the 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.760 bigger slider then? And I know I need to get 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.880 to some other stuff, but who would be the bigger 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:28.320 slider in your opinion? Then? Between Fournette and cook Man. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.120 It's remarkable how low everybody's opinion on both of them 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.280 is compared to what it was. See this is where 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.360 his McCaffrey thing might have some water, because all of 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.840 a sudden, you've got a player. You know what this 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.600 player can do. I don't think you're really sure I've 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.920 gotten cook And I mean I shouldn't say you can 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.080 watch the tape. I go back to my original point though, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.440 which is that best case scenario, Cooking Fournette are both 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.959 year Zeke type of every down off the touches, They're 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.520 always out there rookie of the year. Where like and 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.120 in best case scenario, best case scenario, how many touches 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.719 per game do you think Christian McCaffrey is going to 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.680 average as a rookie. We'll see. The one thing that's 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.040 really see I if I'm drafting him in the top twenty, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.560 that's what he's getting. I'm see Sean Payton can do that. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.400 I'm thinking, like, that's that's why, That's why I'm thinking 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.840 that Sean Payton at the Saints is you know, if 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.600 if just to give your your argument some credibility, which 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.400 it should, I mean, but I'm just saying, give me 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.560 a coach that could figure out how to use McCaffrey. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.440 Give me a guy, give me, give me one of 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.760 these coaches that that has the creativity to get him 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.880 twenty twenty five touches a game. McCaffrey's two hundred and 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.400 two pounds at the combine. Donalind Cook is two hundred 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.040 and ten pounds. I mean eight pounds, really that much 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.600 of a difference where one guy can be a twenty 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.560 five carry back and the other can't. I mean, I mean, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.760 I'm not saying the perception of McCaffrey is he's not 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.320 to us we've seen him play. He could be a 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.640 between the tackles back. I haven't seen that. And he's 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.080 not a workhorse. He's not going to carry the ball 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.760 twenty five times a game. But I think he can 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:06.320 touches fifteen carries and you know, eight eight targets, you know, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.280 so he gets six to seven catches a game. So 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.000 I think that's very possible. So you're talking, you're right 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.440 around twenty touches offensive touches a game, not to mention 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.600 if you use them on special teams as a return man, 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.800 which I don't know how Jazz you are about that 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.320 with the top fifteen pick, putting him out there to 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:27.000 possibly take some punishment. But I'd do it with his ability, sure, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.040 and that's what it's But I guess that's my point 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.080 is that's what's going to take as somebody who's committed 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.200 to doing that. Otherwise I don't. I don't think it's 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.120 worth this. It's all about Fournette, though I keep you know, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.200 I know it's I'm legitimately it sounds like you guys 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.480 are more excited about McCaffrey than you are Fournette or cook. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.440 I'm more confident that McCaffrey is going to play up 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.760 to the expectation for him, and I think that's the 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:55.520 current climate of scouting community because of how the combine went, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.680 how this pre draft process has went. You know, we 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.640 saw what Kaffrey did the combine. You know, he looked 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.600 exception on his pro day. Meanwhile, Cooking Fournette kind of 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.160 fell flat on their face. And still we have questions 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.000 about Fournette. He's lost weight, which was great, but he 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.640 doesn't complete well and he doesn't do all the competitive workout. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.520 We can talk about how he lost weight, that's great. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.720 Why weren't you two hundred twenty eight pounds of the combine? 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.200 Did you not care enough to lose the weight? You know, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.280 this is a guy who's always been bigger, faster, stronger. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.160 Is he going to put in the time and the 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.680 effort to separate himself once he gets to the NFL 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.120 because everyone all these running backs he's starting running backs 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.520 are extremely talented at the NFL level. In order for 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.680 Fournette to live up to this high building as a 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.360 top half, a round one player, He's have to put 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.640 in more time to be more than just because he's 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.360 not going to be bigger, faster, stronger than NFL linebackers. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.040 Maybe some, but not all of them. So for me, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.480 Fournett's the third of the three. I understand the Dalvin 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:56.000 Cook you know, pessimism right now, just because of how 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.840 he tested. But I'm trusting the tape on that one. Yeah, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.320 where do you have them going right now? And my 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:06.200 mock I have McCaffrey fourteen four, Net at eight, Carolina 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.920 fourteen McCaffrey, and then Cook at twenty four to Oakland, which, yeah, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.399 if this h Marshawn stuff happens, then speaking of Oakland 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.840 real quick, I know we're gonna I own to put 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.120 a bow. I mean I teased about trading up. Can 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.160 I interest you in Oakland's pick at twenty four? Can 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.840 I interest you in going from twenty eight to twenty four? 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.159 You gotta yetta? Yeah, but let me tell you, Let 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:29.640 me tell you how we're gonna do it. What am 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.960 I giving up? The problem is you're gonna have to 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.000 You're gonna have to overpay. But we've got to get 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.520 Oakland to give us something back on this. If we can, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.919 we're gonna plot. We're likely gonna have to give up 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:43.679 our third to do this. Now that's a that's a huge, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.240 huge overpay. If I have my own, here's my chart 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.359 right here, it's not a huge overpay, but it's we're 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.160 thinking about doing this Oakland. You would get Oakland's twenty 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:59.160 four and one twenty nine fourth yeah for your twenty 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:07.840 eight in ninety two. No, no, no, no, no, no, 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:10.480 you don't. You don't want to. I'm not giving a 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.000 pick back. Well, have to third round pick. Well, you 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.720 have to get this deal done. You're gonna have to 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.399 who's there? Who? No, No, I'm just saying. I'm just 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.440 trying to get you interested in you know, I'm not interested. 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.000 I him, I'm not. I don't want to give up 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.480 top one hundred picks. But you're But you're getting one 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.200 twenty nine back. Great, you're getting a fourth round back. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.760 Zero chance that not doing it, Dak Prescott, notwithstanding one 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.240 twenty nine is not an exciting draft pick him. Yeah, 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.320 you're gonna have to overpay to get there. I mean, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.159 the differentials on it and That's what you always have 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.360 to do to trade out. That's why I hate doing it. Yeah, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.399 the team that trades up almost always overpays. The differential 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.879 is a right about fifty two unless it's the twenty 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.560 thirteen San Francisco forty nine ers. Means there's somebody at 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.800 twenty four you'd like. That's what I'm trying to say 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.760 to me. T J Watts, the guy that here we go. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.640 I think he's gonna go top twenty five. Um, now 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.640 maybe he won't. Maybe he'll slide to twenty eight. Look 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.280 at the Look at Okay, who's picking ahead of you. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:07.919 Let's let's just take it a look right now, my 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:14.960 mok haven't going to Detroit. Yeah, think about that. I mean, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.760 if you, if you're willing, I know, how much do 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.280 you want? Why if that's the case that and what 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.119 if Tack McKinley, What if it's a Tack McKinley situation. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.640 This is crap And I'm gonna tell you why take 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.639 it back. I think I've mentioned this before. It's the 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.480 same thing as DeMarcus Lawrence. They got rid of a 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.679 third round pick to get him. They were convinced that 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.240 that was their guy and He's not a love Charles 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:42.120 Harris love Love? Would do you love? Charles Harrison? Twenty eight? 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.440