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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us well.
Speaker 1: Twenty one days from now, we're gonna get to participate
Speaker 1: in an NFL draft, and I'll welcome everybody in. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us along with Dane Brugler, CBS Sports, David Hellman
Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Kent Garrison, Executive producer, twenty
Speaker 1: one days Boys. We talked about it yesterday a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, one more day closer. We do keep
Speaker 1: doing these shows every day. We'll eventually get there. Weeks,
Speaker 1: three weeks, three weeks. April has gotta be at least
Speaker 1: for me, it's the best sports month of the year. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Your tribes just beating up on our rangers. I don't
Speaker 1: want to bring that up. Go away about that. As
Speaker 1: the Mariner man, he's oo and three two over here.
Speaker 1: We've got the Master's going on right now, got the
Speaker 1: Master's going on. Yeah, it's it's just a great month,
Speaker 1: a lot going on. So three weeks hard to believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is hard to believe. We started this what over
Speaker 1: three months ago? Yeah, right before they right before the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl January twentieth, probably something like that, something like that.
Speaker 1: I abviously lose track of days. I just know it's
Speaker 1: three weeks till the draft. I'm excited about that. Wanted
Speaker 1: before we get going at well, today, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about clean up some Pro day stuff
Speaker 1: I want to do that we had LSU and Baylor
Speaker 1: were the last two really that we have the big
Speaker 1: schools pro Days. We got these thirty visits that are
Speaker 1: going on right now here at the Star. I also
Speaker 1: want to get into I'm gonna try and get you
Speaker 1: guys to go up or back in this draft. Okay,
Speaker 1: throw some numbers out there at you and see if
Speaker 1: you're interested in doing that. Back sure, up? No, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can make you change your mind.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make you go too terribly far. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you go a few picks just to
Speaker 1: kind of see if you're interested in And I'll have
Speaker 1: Tony Romo as a bargaining Chimpaney. Now you don't, but
Speaker 1: we'll do that. We're gonna get into a little twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty, which we encourage everybody to get their
Speaker 1: questions in. At the draft show, David Hellman will carry that.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things we do because it's
Speaker 1: the interaction with the fans. That's really what this is
Speaker 1: all about, the interaction that we can have with you.
Speaker 1: We always talk about investigate and educate. That's that will
Speaker 1: always be our motto, and so I want to be
Speaker 1: able to answer as many questions as we can. We'll
Speaker 1: also get into tell me more five players that you
Speaker 1: might not know much about, but Dan Burglar myself will
Speaker 1: try and educate you on those guys as well. So
Speaker 1: Dan clean up the pro day now, we had some
Speaker 1: talk about that. Adams the safety from LSU ran in
Speaker 1: the four or threes. I got some confirmation from my
Speaker 1: guys that I was talking to. They got him at
Speaker 1: the four three eight is what they said. And the
Speaker 1: guys I talked to there had them mid four four.
Speaker 1: So regardless, good times, good times, especially an improvement from
Speaker 1: the four or five six right that he had at
Speaker 1: the combine, and he did exactly what you expect, and
Speaker 1: this is what teams expected of Tease Tabor. You know,
Speaker 1: you run a pedestrian time with the combine. Sometimes that happens,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the combine is a nerve wrecking racking
Speaker 1: event where you're are just you're on edge, You're you're
Speaker 1: not yourself. You're putting this position where a lot's riding
Speaker 1: on it, so you're just Sometimes the jitters and everything
Speaker 1: get get the most of you and you don't run
Speaker 1: the best time that you you know you can. And
Speaker 1: to Jamal Adams credit, he said, that's not what I
Speaker 1: could run. I can run a lot better. He trained,
Speaker 1: he got better, and it showed estraight during the pro day.
Speaker 1: So he did exactly what scouts want to see. You
Speaker 1: see that improvement in the drills. And that's the only
Speaker 1: drill he did, the only athletic testing drill that he did.
Speaker 1: Surprised that four net. You know he ran the four.
Speaker 1: I didn't care about the forty, right, he ran a
Speaker 1: four or five one of the combine. That's good enough.
Speaker 1: That's fine at two pounds, thought, right, you don't need
Speaker 1: to see that again. Twenty eight and a half inch
Speaker 1: vert and then he said, okay, I'm done at the combine, right,
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, Fine, he wasn't having a good day.
Speaker 1: Probably thought it was going to snowball on him a little, right,
Speaker 1: And that's fine. So I combine. I didn't beat him
Speaker 1: up for that like that. That's fine. You wait till
Speaker 1: your pro day. At the pro day, he didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: He did positional drills, but he didn't he didn't jump,
Speaker 1: he didn't do any of the cone drills. So to me,
Speaker 1: that's curious. I mean, I guess, I mean, does he
Speaker 1: think he's the top running back he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: do anything? Is that that? What's his mindset? I mean,
Speaker 1: he's two hundred and twenty eight pounds, so he got
Speaker 1: he's down from two forty. Yeah, you figured with the
Speaker 1: with the weight loss, Yeah, that he probably felt like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm too heavy here to really change directions. Well,
Speaker 1: so now I'm at two twenty eight, right, maybe you
Speaker 1: to give it a go, put a better foot forward.
Speaker 1: All it does is create questions, Now, is this going
Speaker 1: to cause him to free fall down boards? No, but
Speaker 1: it does create questions that we talked about this off
Speaker 1: the air yesterday, like aren't you just a little bit concerned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit concerned. I mean, Leonard Fournette is
Speaker 1: seventeenth overall on my board, and I think that's lower
Speaker 1: than most people have him. I still think he's worth
Speaker 1: a mid first round pick, but there are enough questions
Speaker 1: there that that worry me. It's why I have Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook and Christian McCaffrey over him. I think he's a
Speaker 1: good player, and you get excited about what he could
Speaker 1: be at the NFL level that but there are just questions.
Speaker 1: Albert Brewer from the NFL, it's not NFL networking Wris
Speaker 1: with Peter King's group, I'm not mistaken. Monday Morning quarterback
Speaker 1: on a tweet last night late was talking about that
Speaker 1: people and I don't know if this is you know,
Speaker 1: we get the lying bit going on right now. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Albert's got some really good sources, but you talk
Speaker 1: about it. He said, McCaffrey maybe a top ten player.
Speaker 1: Do you see that going in the top ten. I
Speaker 1: think he's a top fifteen player. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a stretch to put him in the top ten. Wow,
Speaker 1: He's I love him. He's I've said this before. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is an exaggeration, But I think he's
Speaker 1: the smartest ball carrier I've ever evaluated. He's just so
Speaker 1: smart with reading his blocks, understanding where spaces are going
Speaker 1: to be. You know, he gets down. You rarely see
Speaker 1: him get hit really hard because he understands when the
Speaker 1: mission's over and you know, he understands how to avoid
Speaker 1: those big hits. But he can also break those big runs.
Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal athlete. There's just so much to like
Speaker 1: with this player is versatility. Now again, you have to
Speaker 1: be your a little creative because he's two hundred two pounds.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not going to be a workhorse between
Speaker 1: the tackles, so you have to be a little creative
Speaker 1: with how you use him. But as long as you
Speaker 1: have an open mind, absolutely I would not argue with
Speaker 1: you if you tell me he's a top ten player. Okay,
Speaker 1: then with that being said, David, you have a problem
Speaker 1: with that, don't you. I just worried that if that
Speaker 1: were going to happen, that if you're gonna use a
Speaker 1: top ten pick on him, you probably have a good
Speaker 1: idea what to do with him, But I would worry
Speaker 1: that you're not going to use him the right way.
Speaker 1: You're not going to use him enough to justify that
Speaker 1: because I don't see him as a workhorse running back
Speaker 1: and so and that's honestly I see him going or
Speaker 1: I would think he would go later because the teams
Speaker 1: that I think would use him the right way, or
Speaker 1: the teams that don't need that feature back. You know,
Speaker 1: That's why he was always such a popular pick to
Speaker 1: the Patriots because of that very reason. And then you
Speaker 1: think about some other teams. I know people have talked
Speaker 1: about the New York Giants, who already have Paul Perkins
Speaker 1: to help out with that. So I think I just
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you know, people said four was
Speaker 1: too high for Zeke to be the workhorse, and Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's sure not going to be your workhorse running backs,
Speaker 1: So you better scheme up a hell of a blueprint
Speaker 1: to get him enough touches to make him worth a
Speaker 1: top ten pick. I've been mocking a number fourteen to Philly,
Speaker 1: and if I'm the Cowboys, I hate that. That scares
Speaker 1: the heck out of me. I know he's in the
Speaker 1: twilight of his career. What does that do with Darren Sprowls? Though,
Speaker 1: I mean they already have that they do. But no,
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean he's on he's on the
Speaker 1: back nine. Yeah, you know, he is my favorite line.
Speaker 1: He's he's on like sixteen or seventeen. He's putting out.
Speaker 1: But with with this player, I think that'd be a
Speaker 1: situation where that's a team that would be able to
Speaker 1: use in the right way. I think coach Peterson would
Speaker 1: know how to use that type of talent. Don't and
Speaker 1: I'm just playing Devil's advocate, don't based on and I
Speaker 1: got to watch Philly twice last year. Don't you think
Speaker 1: that they need more Not that he's a great player,
Speaker 1: but like they need somebody more than a gad gadget back.
Speaker 1: Is disrespectful to how good he is. But a guy
Speaker 1: who's not your feature back. I agree. I think they
Speaker 1: need more of a power guy they need, you know,
Speaker 1: more of or a receiver who's worth a damn for
Speaker 1: that matter. Right, No, I think that's fair. Um, And
Speaker 1: I think with McCaffrey, I think he can be a
Speaker 1: feature back. You just have to tweak your definition of
Speaker 1: what feature back is. You know you're going to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, put a motion amount in the slot you're
Speaker 1: going to He's he'd be the best route runner on
Speaker 1: Philly right now. I mean he's that type of versus
Speaker 1: you know, that type of versatility. I think you can
Speaker 1: use that in today's NFL. So I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I said, you have to be an open, open minded
Speaker 1: play caller or a guy like this. So not he's
Speaker 1: not gonna fit everyone, but for the right fit to
Speaker 1: go to go and ask you this though, real quick
Speaker 1: if I can. Yeah, of course you know that. You
Speaker 1: know the Saints pretty well, Oh my god, he would
Speaker 1: be And this is what Sean Payton if you get
Speaker 1: if you look at what happened with the Saints when
Speaker 1: they let Sprowles walk, you know, I mean they had
Speaker 1: six Yeah, is this Sean? You know? Is this Sean?
Speaker 1: He's got two first round picks? I means is eleven?
Speaker 1: I mean you don't think it's too rich, Dave, you
Speaker 1: think it's too rich, but it's the is the fit
Speaker 1: at the Saints at eleven? Actually the Saints at the
Speaker 1: very least. The Saints have two first rounds. They need
Speaker 1: to try and fix their defense. They've been trying to
Speaker 1: do that for twenty six years now. That's and Drew
Speaker 1: Brees makes you prime rib out of exactly potato salad whatever.
Speaker 1: That's a terrible analogy, but you get my point, Like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need a top ten pick. Terribly awesome. He's
Speaker 1: got Willie Snead over there doing stuff like I don't
Speaker 1: I think he would be amazing in New Orleans, but
Speaker 1: I don't think you can justify. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: find a spot for him. It would be if Dan's
Speaker 1: got him in the top fifteen. You know, I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1: And if Philadelphia is a team you talked about, but
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about as your team. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: him close to the top ten. If Albert Brewer's right
Speaker 1: and teams are talking about him as potentially a top
Speaker 1: ten pick, I think Buffalo is at ten. I don't
Speaker 1: think Buffalo would do it. I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: a teams. Carolina is a team to everybody puts a
Speaker 1: running back to. Yeah, but I don't see Carolina doing that.
Speaker 1: And I mean I see Carolina going to get in.
Speaker 1: It's not any running back that people mocked to Carolina either.
Speaker 1: It's almost always four Nette. It's always four Net. They
Speaker 1: want that. They want the power back, Yeah, they want
Speaker 1: the power back. It's New Orleans the team that could
Speaker 1: do it at eleven. I think that it's possible, and
Speaker 1: I think the instant narrative would be, well, did Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush live up to you know, the number two overall
Speaker 1: pick when he went to the Saints? And no he
Speaker 1: did not. He had a solid career, but he did
Speaker 1: not live up. And I think that'd be the what
Speaker 1: people would instantly talk about. Would Okay, it was Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey going to live up to being the eleventh overall
Speaker 1: pick with the Saints. You know, it's a high investment.
Speaker 1: You have to use him correctly. But way, man, you're
Speaker 1: you're selling me on this guy that I like the
Speaker 1: I like them. Starting with the narrative would be the
Speaker 1: Saint is it's all someone's gonna take peppers, and the
Speaker 1: narrative is gonna be that whole thing, and some GM
Speaker 1: is gonna stand up there and with a big ego
Speaker 1: and be patting himself on the back for taking pepper.
Speaker 1: New Orleans would be like a damn near carbon copy
Speaker 1: of the situation here, which is like, yeah, he fills
Speaker 1: a role and you can use him and it would
Speaker 1: make your offense even scarier. But you got so many
Speaker 1: other problems that you need to worry about, especially and
Speaker 1: the Saints are picking eleventh twenty eight. Well they're eleventh
Speaker 1: and thirty two. You've got two. If I were them,
Speaker 1: if and he might, he probably won't. But if McCaffrey
Speaker 1: fell all the way to thirty two, sure, but not
Speaker 1: at eleven. I mean somebody like a will be up
Speaker 1: on the table at twenty eight if he gets all
Speaker 1: the way down, that badass pass rusher is going to
Speaker 1: be there at eleven like somebody really good. I've I've
Speaker 1: got him taken, Ruben Foster even better. That's that's something
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense there. I actually and okay,
Speaker 1: Philip would make their defense instantly more tougher. Billy makes sense,
Speaker 1: and it would not be great from that standpoint again, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I think about like Mike Williams or
Speaker 1: Corey Davis. You know, Carson Wentz doesn't have any We
Speaker 1: were talking about Fournette and they brought in all Shan Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: they brought in Tory Smiths, you know, but both of
Speaker 1: those are essentially one year deals. So you can't rule
Speaker 1: out a wide receiver there, especially at fourteen. What about
Speaker 1: and and it's it's not the top ten, it's you're
Speaker 1: falling a little bit. But I've heard the Giants is
Speaker 1: another one that I think it makes sense and people
Speaker 1: have talked about it. You have again, Paul Perkins was
Speaker 1: pretty solid last year. He's a he's your third down back,
Speaker 1: he's your seever back. Obviously. I mean, it makes that
Speaker 1: offense even scarier than it already is with Marshall and Beckham.
Speaker 1: And I think there we are talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that is it's got everybody excited. But we went away
Speaker 1: from the Fournette discussion. You know, I'm that and and
Speaker 1: I think everybody it could could Who would be the
Speaker 1: bigger slider then? And I know I need to get
Speaker 1: to some other stuff, but who would be the bigger
Speaker 1: slider in your opinion? Then? Between Fournette and cook Man.
Speaker 1: It's remarkable how low everybody's opinion on both of them
Speaker 1: is compared to what it was. See this is where
Speaker 1: his McCaffrey thing might have some water, because all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got a player. You know what this
Speaker 1: player can do. I don't think you're really sure I've
Speaker 1: gotten cook And I mean I shouldn't say you can
Speaker 1: watch the tape. I go back to my original point though,
Speaker 1: which is that best case scenario, Cooking Fournette are both
Speaker 1: year Zeke type of every down off the touches, They're
Speaker 1: always out there rookie of the year. Where like and
Speaker 1: in best case scenario, best case scenario, how many touches
Speaker 1: per game do you think Christian McCaffrey is going to
Speaker 1: average as a rookie. We'll see. The one thing that's
Speaker 1: really see I if I'm drafting him in the top twenty,
Speaker 1: that's what he's getting. I'm see Sean Payton can do that.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, that's that's why, That's why I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that Sean Payton at the Saints is you know, if
Speaker 1: if just to give your your argument some credibility, which
Speaker 1: it should, I mean, but I'm just saying, give me
Speaker 1: a coach that could figure out how to use McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: Give me a guy, give me, give me one of
Speaker 1: these coaches that that has the creativity to get him
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five touches a game. McCaffrey's two hundred and
Speaker 1: two pounds at the combine. Donalind Cook is two hundred
Speaker 1: and ten pounds. I mean eight pounds, really that much
Speaker 1: of a difference where one guy can be a twenty
Speaker 1: five carry back and the other can't. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the perception of McCaffrey is he's not
Speaker 1: to us we've seen him play. He could be a
Speaker 1: between the tackles back. I haven't seen that. And he's
Speaker 1: not a workhorse. He's not going to carry the ball
Speaker 1: twenty five times a game. But I think he can
Speaker 1: touches fifteen carries and you know, eight eight targets, you know,
Speaker 1: so he gets six to seven catches a game. So
Speaker 1: I think that's very possible. So you're talking, you're right
Speaker 1: around twenty touches offensive touches a game, not to mention
Speaker 1: if you use them on special teams as a return man,
Speaker 1: which I don't know how Jazz you are about that
Speaker 1: with the top fifteen pick, putting him out there to
Speaker 1: possibly take some punishment. But I'd do it with his ability, sure,
Speaker 1: and that's what it's But I guess that's my point
Speaker 1: is that's what's going to take as somebody who's committed
Speaker 1: to doing that. Otherwise I don't. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: worth this. It's all about Fournette, though I keep you know,
Speaker 1: I know it's I'm legitimately it sounds like you guys
Speaker 1: are more excited about McCaffrey than you are Fournette or cook.
Speaker 1: I'm more confident that McCaffrey is going to play up
Speaker 1: to the expectation for him, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: current climate of scouting community because of how the combine went,
Speaker 1: how this pre draft process has went. You know, we
Speaker 1: saw what Kaffrey did the combine. You know, he looked
Speaker 1: exception on his pro day. Meanwhile, Cooking Fournette kind of
Speaker 1: fell flat on their face. And still we have questions
Speaker 1: about Fournette. He's lost weight, which was great, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't complete well and he doesn't do all the competitive workout.
Speaker 1: We can talk about how he lost weight, that's great.
Speaker 1: Why weren't you two hundred twenty eight pounds of the combine?
Speaker 1: Did you not care enough to lose the weight? You know,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's always been bigger, faster, stronger.
Speaker 1: Is he going to put in the time and the
Speaker 1: effort to separate himself once he gets to the NFL
Speaker 1: because everyone all these running backs he's starting running backs
Speaker 1: are extremely talented at the NFL level. In order for
Speaker 1: Fournette to live up to this high building as a
Speaker 1: top half, a round one player, He's have to put
Speaker 1: in more time to be more than just because he's
Speaker 1: not going to be bigger, faster, stronger than NFL linebackers.
Speaker 1: Maybe some, but not all of them. So for me,
Speaker 1: Fournett's the third of the three. I understand the Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook you know, pessimism right now, just because of how
Speaker 1: he tested. But I'm trusting the tape on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you have them going right now? And my
Speaker 1: mock I have McCaffrey fourteen four, Net at eight, Carolina
Speaker 1: fourteen McCaffrey, and then Cook at twenty four to Oakland, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: if this h Marshawn stuff happens, then speaking of Oakland
Speaker 1: real quick, I know we're gonna I own to put
Speaker 1: a bow. I mean I teased about trading up. Can
Speaker 1: I interest you in Oakland's pick at twenty four? Can
Speaker 1: I interest you in going from twenty eight to twenty four?
Speaker 1: You gotta yetta? Yeah, but let me tell you, Let
Speaker 1: me tell you how we're gonna do it. What am
Speaker 1: I giving up? The problem is you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to overpay. But we've got to get
Speaker 1: Oakland to give us something back on this. If we can,
Speaker 1: we're gonna plot. We're likely gonna have to give up
Speaker 1: our third to do this. Now that's a that's a huge,
Speaker 1: huge overpay. If I have my own, here's my chart
Speaker 1: right here, it's not a huge overpay, but it's we're
Speaker 1: thinking about doing this Oakland. You would get Oakland's twenty
Speaker 1: four and one twenty nine fourth yeah for your twenty
Speaker 1: eight in ninety two. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't want to. I'm not giving a
Speaker 1: pick back. Well, have to third round pick. Well, you
Speaker 1: have to get this deal done. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: who's there? Who? No, No, I'm just saying. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to get you interested in you know, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: I him, I'm not. I don't want to give up
Speaker 1: top one hundred picks. But you're But you're getting one
Speaker 1: twenty nine back. Great, you're getting a fourth round back.
Speaker 1: Zero chance that not doing it, Dak Prescott, notwithstanding one
Speaker 1: twenty nine is not an exciting draft pick him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to overpay to get there. I mean,
Speaker 1: the differentials on it and That's what you always have
Speaker 1: to do to trade out. That's why I hate doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the team that trades up almost always overpays. The differential
Speaker 1: is a right about fifty two unless it's the twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen San Francisco forty nine ers. Means there's somebody at
Speaker 1: twenty four you'd like. That's what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: to me. T J Watts, the guy that here we go.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go top twenty five. Um, now
Speaker 1: maybe he won't. Maybe he'll slide to twenty eight. Look
Speaker 1: at the Look at Okay, who's picking ahead of you.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just take it a look right now, my
Speaker 1: mok haven't going to Detroit. Yeah, think about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you, if you're willing, I know, how much do
Speaker 1: you want? Why if that's the case that and what
Speaker 1: if Tack McKinley, What if it's a Tack McKinley situation.
Speaker 1: This is crap And I'm gonna tell you why take
Speaker 1: it back. I think I've mentioned this before. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing as DeMarcus Lawrence. They got rid of a
Speaker 1: third round pick to get him. They were convinced that
Speaker 1: that was their guy and He's not a love Charles
Speaker 1: Harris love Love? Would do you love? Charles Harrison? Twenty eight?
Speaker 1: There is not There is not a guy in realistic
Speaker 1: realm of possibility who's worth giving up that kind of
Speaker 1: pick to move that short of a spot there. And
Speaker 1: I mean maybe if if you needed a quarterback, sure,
Speaker 1: and that's what drives trades, but you don't need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And the difference between j Watt and whoever's there at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, I don't think it's worth it. How bad
Speaker 1: is he going to feel with Watts off the board.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to feel that bad. That's my point
Speaker 1: the drop. What would you like at twenty eight? What
Speaker 1: would be your ideal player to take at twenty eight?
Speaker 1: Ideal Um Watt's fine if he's there to cars. McKinley's
Speaker 1: fine if he's there. Kevin King would be great. I'd
Speaker 1: love Kevin King. I love big center backs. Think about
Speaker 1: he's thinking about taking a cornerback there, it sounds like
Speaker 1: and I would love for that pick to be a
Speaker 1: corner or a pass rusher. That's the that's the area
Speaker 1: where we're going to see runs on those two positions.
Speaker 1: Pass rusher in corner so you know, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: in a position where they can stay at twenty eight
Speaker 1: and still feel pretty good about the player they're going
Speaker 1: to get. Yeah, it's a near impossibility for them to
Speaker 1: be totally wiped out. I'm not yeah, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: right about that. I'm not going. But I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you here is could you go get
Speaker 1: you know, if you feel I mean you're going, I'm
Speaker 1: not asking you to go mammoth run to the top
Speaker 1: of the board. Ims going to go. Four spots they have,
Speaker 1: but you're getting You're you're giving up a three, but
Speaker 1: you're getting back a four. They and they have three
Speaker 1: picks that you would call premium picks. I put a
Speaker 1: top one hundred pick in a different category from any
Speaker 1: other kind of pick I do. So you're giving up
Speaker 1: one of those to get one player, and we all
Speaker 1: know that they have several holes on defense, they probably
Speaker 1: need as many players as possible. I hate that. I
Speaker 1: don't want it. And that's my whole point is like
Speaker 1: if Derek barn if Derek Barnett tumbles down the draft board,
Speaker 1: all right, and we're talking about something a little bit
Speaker 1: different there, who Like we just got you convinced you
Speaker 1: like tack McKinley. That's fine. If he's there at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up something to go get him, because
Speaker 1: that like you, that's they did that in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Lawrence is the last right end on the board. He's
Speaker 1: the guy we get twenty Detroit at twenty one. Who
Speaker 1: else we got here Miami at twenty two. If this
Speaker 1: team giants to twenty three, this team needed in a
Speaker 1: right tackle. That was a number one need on this team. Okay,
Speaker 1: you needed everything else. Talk to him, Dame. Then I
Speaker 1: think it makes a little bit more sense because his
Speaker 1: tackle classes. You know that four or five maybe guys
Speaker 1: in this track, you trade this being started, you trade
Speaker 1: up when losing that player is severely going to screw you.
Speaker 1: So so what I'm gathering from Dave is that the
Speaker 1: whole DeMarcus Lawds thing soured you on possibly moving up.
Speaker 1: It sucked you lost the top fifty pick for a
Speaker 1: guy who's been Okay, I mean, he's not wrong, he's
Speaker 1: not wrong, and I think that I don't want that
Speaker 1: shouldn't stop you from making that kind of move again.
Speaker 1: You have to trust you. I agree with that. I
Speaker 1: agree with that you have to trust your evaluations. And
Speaker 1: if you think that, if you think it's McKinley, Harris,
Speaker 1: those guys better than what you've seen with Lawrence, then
Speaker 1: what the lord's coming out of Boise? Not really not
Speaker 1: you s gott in him up. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think they're in the same type of tier. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't think one's clearly better than the other. I
Speaker 1: don't think I had I don't think I had him
Speaker 1: in the first I had Harrison the second. Here, I
Speaker 1: don't think I had Lawrence in the first round. I
Speaker 1: had Lawrence at like twenty six overall something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think he was right in that he went
Speaker 1: right where he was supposed to. I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think Harris he's right there. He's in that
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty five range overall, you know, somewhere
Speaker 1: in there. So I think it's similar. Okay, how far
Speaker 1: back would you go? Well, maybe this will do this
Speaker 1: for another day. No, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: got I just I was just on Gbag and I
Speaker 1: mentioned this that if that's by the way, that's g
Speaker 1: Bag Nation is one five three. Dane's on that quite
Speaker 1: a bit. If the quarterbacks. If you're the Cowboys, you
Speaker 1: want to see these quarterbacks come off the boat. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: better players are gonna fall to you. But on the
Speaker 1: flip side, if maybe these wide receivers too, I want
Speaker 1: on the flarterbacks to hang around. Yeah. If these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: hang around, then there's a few more. I say, Deshaun Kaiser,
Speaker 1: maybe one of the other ones. They only two go
Speaker 1: before you. Then all of a sudden, that twenty eighth
Speaker 1: pick it's up for sale. Yeah, and you look at
Speaker 1: at the top end of the second round. You have
Speaker 1: Cleveland San Francisco. Oh sure ago, oh sums that might
Speaker 1: be interested in that quarterback of the future, and so
Speaker 1: they possibly could trade up, get that fifth year option,
Speaker 1: get ahead of New Orleans at thirty two, secure that
Speaker 1: quarterback of twenty eight. So, if you're the Cowboys, you're
Speaker 1: only moving back five six seven spots. Would you go
Speaker 1: back if Tack McKinley was on the board, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm taking my chance that you know, a player like
Speaker 1: him in that similar tier is going to be available
Speaker 1: five six seven spots later. Now I'm not talking moving
Speaker 1: in the mid second, you know, no, No, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Cleveland forty nine ers top half of round two.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go past them. I tried to
Speaker 1: move up four spots, and you guys are dying and
Speaker 1: now you want to dig all the way in the
Speaker 1: middle at the top of the second talking about giving
Speaker 1: up verse gaining pick, and I'm I'm with Dave with
Speaker 1: about the top one hundred picks and how valuable they are,
Speaker 1: especially in this draft. Due those guys are started. If
Speaker 1: you do, you're scouting right. Those guys are started. So
Speaker 1: just for guys are cowards twenty eight, twenty eight, sixty
Speaker 1: and then not again till one, twenty nine or thirty six.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you have your own fourth so you
Speaker 1: have you have Oakland's pick, you have two fourth round picks,
Speaker 1: or I could have. I could start picking at like
Speaker 1: thirty six, and then you're gonna get a pretty good
Speaker 1: player at twenty four. I think you are You are
Speaker 1: the different the difference. You might get a difference maker,
Speaker 1: but I think you can still get You might be
Speaker 1: right on the edge of the of the last player
Speaker 1: in the first round. It's like it's fair. Possibly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like shooting with a shotgun, like you. I want
Speaker 1: as much spray pattern as possible I thought you guys
Speaker 1: are better than this. No, I'm a big coward. I
Speaker 1: want picks and I want to be smart. I think
Speaker 1: it's something you consider. You definitely can see. You don't
Speaker 1: just you know, shove it off to the side. Start
Speaker 1: you consider, especially like a T. J. Watt to me,
Speaker 1: that's one guy that I think is going to be
Speaker 1: very popular. And yeah, edam be going to twenty one
Speaker 1: to Detroit. I'm gonna make a prediction right here, is
Speaker 1: like by the time the draft rolls around, everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: be all whipped up into a fervor that this guy
Speaker 1: that like is a middle of the pack prospect is
Speaker 1: like we gotta trade Yeah, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: tjos he rewrote the book on how to rush the
Speaker 1: passer even though he's he's available at twenty five, But
Speaker 1: you gotta trade up and get Maybe maybe Trump needs
Speaker 1: to hire us as the whips serious. Maybe we need
Speaker 1: to whip some votes. Let's not talking about politics. I
Speaker 1: got you, okay, Thank you, boys, appreciate your insight on that.
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Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage studios. Brian brought Ustam Burglar David Hellman. The
Speaker 1: coward got a little worked up that segment, didn't you
Speaker 1: me or you? No? You no, I just I had fight.
Speaker 1: You were poking the bears, but you were you know
Speaker 1: what I appreciate to me And just to give folks
Speaker 1: an idea, that's the kind of stuff you see in
Speaker 1: a draft room. Yeah, that's what's going on right now
Speaker 1: right there there there are guys. There are guys that
Speaker 1: are willing to fight for t J Watt, Tack, McKinley
Speaker 1: and just I mean, they're like, no, I Am not
Speaker 1: going to lose this one, you know, And then you
Speaker 1: and you know, and and that's what you have to
Speaker 1: weigh two going up, going back the other across the
Speaker 1: tables like what sucks and and you do. But you
Speaker 1: leave it in the room, you know, when you walk
Speaker 1: out of the room, you leave it in there. You
Speaker 1: don't make it a personal deal. But there is some
Speaker 1: of the most passionate arguments I've ever seen that Randy Moss,
Speaker 1: when I keep talking about that one where Jim Garrett
Speaker 1: and those guys lined up against Chan Gaily and those coaches.
Speaker 1: I mean that was. That was I just wish it
Speaker 1: I could get that tape, but legendary stuff. The scouch
Speaker 1: just going, you know, Jim Garrett, I mean he was,
Speaker 1: he gave it to the coaches, and the coaches fired
Speaker 1: back to their credit. And then you got the general
Speaker 1: manager with the glasses on the end of his nose
Speaker 1: looking at both parties, trying to make a make a call.
Speaker 1: And then Randy Moss and Randy Moss then goes on
Speaker 1: and came, here's great things on Thanksgiving and yeah, hup, whoops, whoops,
Speaker 1: that happens. It's a draft. Jim Garrett, congratulations j d
Speaker 1: him right, I've got can we not to push things along,
Speaker 1: but I've got it. I've got some pressing topics here
Speaker 1: on Twitter on the twenty Yeah I do. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about that. I was just kind of reminiscing, I know, Twitter,
Speaker 1: and it's actually Twitter on the thirty. But we'll go
Speaker 1: with it. This is I think this is great timing
Speaker 1: because this is what we're talking about, and you kind
Speaker 1: of have your your net of available prospects cast right now. Yeah, Freddie,
Speaker 1: Freddie's bringing us back to a guy that we've talked
Speaker 1: about a lot, but I think it's time to bring
Speaker 1: him back into the conversation. Freddie says, what's the deal
Speaker 1: with Tim Williams? I knew that was coming. We know
Speaker 1: all of we know. We knew that, we know about
Speaker 1: the baggage, we know about the drug stuff, we know
Speaker 1: that he's a character risk. But Freddie's cutting right through
Speaker 1: the crap and he's like, how far by the way?
Speaker 1: How far is this guy actually gonna fall? What are
Speaker 1: we talking about here at this time two years ago?
Speaker 1: You know, we never consider Grandy Gregory following this, you know,
Speaker 1: not elate second round with Tim Williams. I think we
Speaker 1: feel a lot better that he's going to slip, and
Speaker 1: it could possibly into the third. I think that's possible.
Speaker 1: It's tough because it's his issues are not just off
Speaker 1: the field, Nope, he has plenty of issues on the field. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is the player who you known career starts, he
Speaker 1: had not many two Yeah, I was gonna say five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew it was single ditch. I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to guess. Nick Saban knows a thing or two about
Speaker 1: playing football, and he put them in, takes it on
Speaker 1: the chin, every once. While doing that, he put him
Speaker 1: in position to succeed as a pass rusher, um, you know,
Speaker 1: a sub package guy. He averaged only twenty eight snaps
Speaker 1: per game as a senior. It's hard. It's when you
Speaker 1: watch him on tape, but it's some of the most
Speaker 1: productive twenty eight snaps you'll ever see. He can get
Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks. So if that, if that translates to
Speaker 1: ten sacks a year for you, okay, then he's worth
Speaker 1: a you know, a top sixty pick. But then you
Speaker 1: also factor in the off field stuff, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's a hard conversation. Let me make a prediction here.
Speaker 1: Sounds like Friday night. Yeah, let me make a prediction
Speaker 1: something like Cincinnati too. I think that Mixing and Williams
Speaker 1: end up in Cincinnati somehow. And I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: only a team who's they got? They got? They got
Speaker 1: very few media that cover the team. I mean we
Speaker 1: got friends, they cover the team. They got really one
Speaker 1: guy that does dot com Butchie. Butchie's not gonna write
Speaker 1: anything negative about me. Yeah, and the Brown and the
Speaker 1: Brown family, they don't care. They lead the league. They
Speaker 1: lead the league and taking the the taking the questionable
Speaker 1: guy and don't even care. They don't They really don't
Speaker 1: think about that. We talked, we laughed yesterday about them
Speaker 1: wanting to trade with them. They got a lot of picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna stand there and just make every single
Speaker 1: one of them. And I guarantee you they're looking at
Speaker 1: mixing and they're looking they're thinking, whoa Tim Williams first
Speaker 1: round ability, first round ability, first round ability from what
Speaker 1: you've seen in Alabama games. Yes, okay, what are the
Speaker 1: Browns thinking? Brown? The Browns, I'm talking about the Browns
Speaker 1: to own their family, the family. Yeah, they're sitting there thinking, huh,
Speaker 1: second round, we can get a first round player, don't
Speaker 1: have to pay and pay him second round money. Watch
Speaker 1: watch the Bengals here. Plus they don't have to Bengals.
Speaker 1: And the next thing that we'll talk about the front
Speaker 1: seven at the Bengals because of Tim Williams screaming off
Speaker 1: the edge. They don't even have to ask that much
Speaker 1: of him because they got done. Yea, it took that
Speaker 1: linebacker perfect perfect. Yeah, everybody hated him because he was
Speaker 1: a bad guy, and he makes two hundred tackles a year.
Speaker 1: One of those guys, that's my prediction. You heard it
Speaker 1: here In the Draft Show, Brian gets extra salty when
Speaker 1: he talks about other teams getting bad people to be
Speaker 1: good players. Brian, because I'm the champion of the bad guy.
Speaker 1: I do, I love, I love Williams. I do, I love,
Speaker 1: I love. The Bengals are gonna come away on Day
Speaker 1: two with Tim Williams and Jim Mix. Oh yes, no
Speaker 1: they're not. Yes, yes they will. No one team will
Speaker 1: do both of those. Ye can you really watch when
Speaker 1: it happens? When it just give give the old bald
Speaker 1: guy some credit when that one rolls, I'll beat you.
Speaker 1: Dinner in the eats, a pasta and Los Collinas. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're on? Okay, Where would you feel comfortable drafting Tim
Speaker 1: Williams twenty eight? You'd feel comfortable to take? Now? I
Speaker 1: mean you know, no, I think he's a first round player.
Speaker 1: It's not what I asked. Where would you feel comfortable
Speaker 1: drafting him? Yeah, it sounds like from what y'all are saying,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there at sixty. No, he is gonna
Speaker 1: be at sixty. Where is he on my board? They
Speaker 1: and to answer all the questions out there, the cow
Speaker 1: I just can't see the Cowboys doing that Himmer mixing,
Speaker 1: He's sixty nine overall on my board, him or Mixing, mixing, mixing.
Speaker 1: I hate even saying that, but okay, but I'm telling
Speaker 1: you the Bengals watch this, all right. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they'd have a chance that both of them,
Speaker 1: because I think I think Mixing is going second round
Speaker 1: and I think good chance. We got multiple picks in
Speaker 1: the second round. Where would you draft some Nattics? True?
Speaker 1: Where would you all? Right? Where would you draft him?
Speaker 1: If you were the Cowboys? Would you mix? Would you
Speaker 1: take No? Oh? No, he's off. Those guys are off
Speaker 1: the board. No consideration here, They're not They're not there.
Speaker 1: You go, yeah, where right? Where do you feel come
Speaker 1: from drafting? Actually, I take that back, I'm sorry, Uh,
Speaker 1: dodging your question is dodging? No, I'm not second round,
Speaker 1: mid second round, late second round through Williams, Tim william Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I have. I have a first round grade on the guy.
Speaker 1: But is that in considering the off field? That's just ability,
Speaker 1: that is just the absolutely ability. Where would you take
Speaker 1: him though your jobs on the line. Randy Gregory has
Speaker 1: top ten talent and he's played like eight games. So see,
Speaker 1: that's the problem I have. But we hated. We not
Speaker 1: hate a bad word. We didn't like. I didn't have
Speaker 1: Gregory in the first round. I have. I have Williams
Speaker 1: in the first round. I think Williams is a better
Speaker 1: rusher than Gregory. If you just watch the tape and
Speaker 1: see if I'm in a room, if I'm over on
Speaker 1: those side of this building, and I say he's got
Speaker 1: first round talent, and then Will McClay would look at
Speaker 1: me and go, he's off the board. Brian, who's the
Speaker 1: next guy, Joe Mixon? I got first round grade on him,
Speaker 1: Will Brian, he's off the board. You don't get to
Speaker 1: say anything until lunch. Every time I try to talk
Speaker 1: to Will about draft stuff, he shoots me down pretty quick.
Speaker 1: He'll do that. Yeah, he likes, he sees, he likes
Speaker 1: to make you. But I'm just saying, though, if you
Speaker 1: just look at the ability first round grade for mixing
Speaker 1: on ability, Yes, first round ability on Williams. Yes, at
Speaker 1: some point in the first round. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Neither will be here, No, neither one. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know what, dope, man, if he's at sixty, it's that
Speaker 1: that would be just that would be evil that the
Speaker 1: storyline writes itself, and then the Cowboys would draft a
Speaker 1: choir boy and people would compare it. The problem, the
Speaker 1: thing that might keep them from doing that, Well, he's
Speaker 1: they're probably both off the board. I'm just we're just
Speaker 1: specting right here. But what would probably keep them from
Speaker 1: doing that is they take a defensive end at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons, Yeah, which I think they have
Speaker 1: a good chance to do. If you take a corner,
Speaker 1: you can't do it. Two years after taking Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: you can't can It doesn't matter if he's on the
Speaker 1: board or not. You can. His name is Tim, right, Tim?
Speaker 1: Was that his name? Williams? No? No, Freddie, No, Freddie.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Good question, Freddie, Yeah, really good question, Freddie.
Speaker 1: You and I are drinking from the same bottle. Keegan
Speaker 1: wants to know why don't we hear more of hate
Speaker 1: when I do that, don't you? I'm still waiting for
Speaker 1: an answer from you. Yeah, it's a fair point. Taking
Speaker 1: the twenty eight. He's off the board. I can't fight,
Speaker 1: ye would you take him? Doesn't matter the team he's
Speaker 1: on the board. Your job's on the line. Where are
Speaker 1: you betting on him if he's available at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: are you taking him regardless? Not this team, just any team,
Speaker 1: any team. I probably would at twenty eight. Yep, I
Speaker 1: got first round grade on him. Champion, champion of the
Speaker 1: bad guys. Yeah, here why Keegan wants to know? Why
Speaker 1: don't we hear more about Caleb Brantley stay on task?
Speaker 1: Guys struggle with him because I've never seen a prospect
Speaker 1: be more outspoken about his lack of effort that he's
Speaker 1: given on the field. Never I've never seen. Hey credit
Speaker 1: to him for being honest answering questions honestly. But he's
Speaker 1: a good player though at the same time, he isn't
Speaker 1: flashes and that goes back to the effort thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you watch his flashes, you think, oh, this guy's
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Yeah, you're watching the tape. In totality,
Speaker 1: it's something that, well, where was he on this snap?
Speaker 1: Was he was he on the field? Oh? Yeah, there
Speaker 1: he is. I mean he just he disappears. And so
Speaker 1: this is not a great defensive tackle class. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: as good as last year was, this year is not
Speaker 1: good at all. And I think he's in consideration to
Speaker 1: be the first defensive tackle drafted. But when you consider
Speaker 1: the motor and the effort issues, that knocks him down.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that doesn't play hard right well he
Speaker 1: is said, he said at the combine, he said it
Speaker 1: is pro day. He said, I'm good at this this
Speaker 1: and this. Only thing I need to work on is
Speaker 1: my effort. You know, some people say I don't play
Speaker 1: all the time every snap. I would agree with them.
Speaker 1: That's that's a quote from him. That's that doesn't scare you.
Speaker 1: I don't know what does second best three technique in
Speaker 1: the draft behind Alan if you're if you're not considering
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas there, it's yeah, I thinks in terms of
Speaker 1: an inside penetrator. Yeah, in terms of ability. Um, but
Speaker 1: I have like the Charlotte kid ranked over him, uh
Speaker 1: oh Ogan Joebi yep, because I have him around behind him,
Speaker 1: because I trust them more. Yeah, I've got a two
Speaker 1: on Ogan joby, I've got a two three on Brandon.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, this is the fact that you've
Speaker 1: been doing this for so many years now, got you
Speaker 1: tainted a little bit burned and what way that maybe
Speaker 1: you would be a little bit more aggressive on some guys.
Speaker 1: But but the fact that you felt like you've you
Speaker 1: fought for some guys and we've And I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying you sing scouts in general. I'm not just throwing
Speaker 1: you under the bus. It's both ways. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that there's been so many guys that like a Williams.
Speaker 1: You press me on Williams, and rightfully so, I said
Speaker 1: he had a first round grade. But do you get
Speaker 1: you get to the point where you're so beat down
Speaker 1: by it, and then we got to do this again
Speaker 1: next year and everybody reminds you what a jackass you
Speaker 1: were for. But I would argue that I'm maybe not
Speaker 1: for every guy, but for as many Randy Gregory's. There
Speaker 1: are guys who have these flags who where it pans out.
Speaker 1: I mean, Honey Badger. The Honey Badger is a great example.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing, is tyrans scout. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: tried to pick up on Okay, Well, you're gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 1: That's we are. That's just that's miss day and age
Speaker 1: you are regardless, You're not gonna you know, it's like
Speaker 1: a hitter in baseball. If you hit, get a hit
Speaker 1: three times out of ten, you're you're awesome, you're an
Speaker 1: All Star, you're a three hundred hitter. And the same
Speaker 1: thing with scouting. You're gonna miss on a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys for whatever reason, and it just it goes
Speaker 1: down to, okay, figuring out why you miss and so
Speaker 1: with these guys with the off field issues, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, okay, well, what was it that we missed
Speaker 1: on that he was able to correct at the NFL level.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's something that scouting. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you've been doing this for fifty years, you should still
Speaker 1: learn and you know, trying to figure things out. So
Speaker 1: it's year after year. You know, maybe I might feel
Speaker 1: better about some of these character guys a year from that,
Speaker 1: who knows. It's it's something that you try to learn
Speaker 1: you're you're from. I mean you try and every draft
Speaker 1: you try and be a little different. It's a shame though,
Speaker 1: that you bring Randy Gregory up. Yeah, but it's true.
Speaker 1: You know, people compare. That's what the draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go back and you look at these names and
Speaker 1: you're gonna argue, like hell for Tim Williams, and somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna bring up Randy Gregory and you're gonna go. You
Speaker 1: know what, They're right, But you're fighting like hell for
Speaker 1: Tim Williams because you know he can help your football team,
Speaker 1: because there's a possibility that he will be like Tyron
Speaker 1: Matthew and come in and do everything you want him
Speaker 1: to do. He there's also a possibility he can kill
Speaker 1: your football team. Like you know, how much better would ranks?
Speaker 1: How much better would this pass rush be if Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory you could stay in the facility. That's fair. We're
Speaker 1: not talking about defensive end and abound one. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: talking about No, that's absolutely I wonder if they're going
Speaker 1: to have that decision. He's probably off the board. We'll
Speaker 1: figure it out by the time the draft rolls around
Speaker 1: three weeks from tonight. I'll have that figured out. Somebody will.
Speaker 1: We got time for one more, one more if we
Speaker 1: could kind of this goes back to the Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: conversation from earlier. D Ritchie wants to know is there
Speaker 1: such a thing or what constitutes a luxury pick for
Speaker 1: this team? And he didn't specify, but I'll say in
Speaker 1: the first or second Dory Jackson, is that really a
Speaker 1: luxury pick? Though? If it's a need twenty eight and
Speaker 1: you do. He's not going to be there at sixty. No,
Speaker 1: but you, I mean, do you feel like though you
Speaker 1: what about a guy we talked about yesterday with Curtis Samuel,
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel there, that's in my mind, the only I
Speaker 1: could sinking of a guy really early. Yeah, Samuel has
Speaker 1: to be early too, Samuel have to be. He'd have
Speaker 1: to be in a tradeback scenario or if you ask
Speaker 1: somehow last sixty trade back scenario. I think you've got
Speaker 1: two guys, Dorry Jack excellent Samuel. If Samuel, in fact
Speaker 1: is I think he's on their board. The only position
Speaker 1: like him that I think I could truly consider a
Speaker 1: luxury pick our first of all quarterback, quarterback, running back.
Speaker 1: I think linebacker, Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, I think
Speaker 1: linebacker probably like your boy Cunningham Vandy. That would be
Speaker 1: a total luxury like that pick. And I think it
Speaker 1: just depends who could fold to them. Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: they're surprises every every draft. You know, we talked about
Speaker 1: Ruben Foster yesterday. If he were to fall somehow, you know,
Speaker 1: how would that fit? Uh? You know, it could be
Speaker 1: a surprise. Name who knows. I want tack to fall.
Speaker 1: That's the one guy I want to fall. Is that
Speaker 1: really a fall though? Like I mean, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: think he's the middle of the draft guy. I think
Speaker 1: he's a top fifteen to eighteen guy. Yeah, I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's twenty two on my board or something
Speaker 1: like that. Right with the with the injury, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: could easily fall. He's not worth giving up pick ninety
Speaker 1: two four. Tell you that right now? Yeah, See he
Speaker 1: goes back to history. He doesn't want to go through
Speaker 1: that whole thing with Lawrence again on a okay player,
Speaker 1: I just want to have as many picks as possible
Speaker 1: to try to fix the roster. That's really all I
Speaker 1: care about, and especially in again this draft that's so
Speaker 1: deep on day two, okay, real quick then before we
Speaker 1: hit break, is with the deep draft, we could talk
Speaker 1: about the top one hundred, both of you. Are we
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of trades if you could get
Speaker 1: the same player at twenty eight that you could get
Speaker 1: at twenty one, right, are we gonna see people say, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: an Oakland trade because I'll get the same player. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna and Dane knows more than me. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go out on a lemon say I would bet
Speaker 1: not because again, do you think people are gonna move what? No,
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna stand pass and pick because
Speaker 1: what drives trades quarterbacks typically in this quarterback class sucks well.
Speaker 1: And I think teams are gonna be so reluctant to
Speaker 1: give up those Day two picks that you know, it
Speaker 1: might be a scenario where we see, you know, next
Speaker 1: year's picks get traded. But I think teams are going
Speaker 1: to be very reluctant to give up this year's picks.
Speaker 1: And it's because of that. Yeah, I think, good chance
Speaker 1: we see lower numbers. I'm gonna throw something out there.
Speaker 1: I think the teams that have compensatory picks might be
Speaker 1: the teams that move people. Yeah, move picks that extra
Speaker 1: you know, extra you know, and especially too, if you
Speaker 1: think about the Cowboys getting compensatory picks next year, maybe
Speaker 1: you're more willing to move a third round pick next
Speaker 1: year or a fourth round pick, thinking would you and
Speaker 1: you're talking the Cowboys would be giving up next year's
Speaker 1: picks to get back into this draft well to yeah,
Speaker 1: to get back in to get back into a spot,
Speaker 1: especially if you knew you were gonna get compensitories. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah. Or maybe in that scenario which moving
Speaker 1: up to twenty four, you trade in next year's camp.
Speaker 1: Pick there you go. You know, I mean you don't
Speaker 1: know the number, but you know it could be you
Speaker 1: could probably could get a four, say or three. You
Speaker 1: give up twenty eight and a four that's not enough. No,
Speaker 1: I think it would have to be a third round camp,
Speaker 1: and that if you don't get that third round camp,
Speaker 1: it becomes yeah, whatever, you know, a fourth and a
Speaker 1: six or something exactly. You could you could play round
Speaker 1: with that. Okay, thank you very much. Everybody out there,
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Speaker 1: been long winded today. Yes, guys, good conversations. Good, no,
Speaker 1: good conversation, But tell me more about Utah cornerback Brian
Speaker 1: Allen good name, good name, had a great combine, tall,
Speaker 1: lanky guy who former wide receiver. He's only been a
Speaker 1: corner for a couple of years now, and so with
Speaker 1: that obviously comes technique issues, I discipline issues. So he's
Speaker 1: extremely raw. I don't think this is a player it's
Speaker 1: gonna help you in year one as a rookie, but
Speaker 1: in the later rounds and you're talking about taking a project,
Speaker 1: he could be a guy that's intriguing because of the
Speaker 1: straight line speed, because of the size, a very tall,
Speaker 1: long corner. So at the right value, I think he
Speaker 1: does make some sense. Yeah, I think the thing and
Speaker 1: you could see it with Dane's talking about a little
Speaker 1: bit about his lack of knowledge when it comes to playing,
Speaker 1: you know, as a secondary. I felt like though that
Speaker 1: he needs to do a better job of finding the football.
Speaker 1: That was one of the things you see him give
Speaker 1: up plays, and that's and that to me, Dane's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: He's not probably gonna help you in the first year.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to learn. Somebody's in the NFL is
Speaker 1: gonna have to coach him up. He's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: in a guy it's being inactive every single week unless
Speaker 1: he could find a special team's role. But he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to learn how to play. He's got the physical
Speaker 1: ability to play. I just don't think he has the
Speaker 1: understanding because I say, you see some big plays when
Speaker 1: he's in coverage, and that's a that's just a lot
Speaker 1: of it has to be with the recognition and then experience.
Speaker 1: Day three. Uh yeah, I gave the fifth sixth round
Speaker 1: right great on. I mean, he's sixty three thirty four
Speaker 1: inch arms, which is just crazy for a corner six
Speaker 1: three corner from the Pac twelve who used to play
Speaker 1: receiver and is projected in the fifth round. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. Maybe a former Stanford I'm on board the
Speaker 1: next the fifth round board. Tell me more about I
Speaker 1: hope I get this right. If yati O a Nigbo
Speaker 1: defensive end from Northwestern, yeah he good. Nice job with that,
Speaker 1: I got it. Yeah, awesome, you're the champ with those names.
Speaker 1: By the way, get ready to draft night. Yeah. One
Speaker 1: of the highest recruits ever at Northwestern, and I think
Speaker 1: that kind of got to him because he wasn't a
Speaker 1: productive guy from day one. He's one of the better
Speaker 1: interviews talking to him. He's a very bright guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: what you would expect for a Northwestern kid, very enjoys
Speaker 1: kind of talking about the game. As a senior, you
Speaker 1: started to see it come together a little bit more,
Speaker 1: which was I think that's why he's going to get drafted.
Speaker 1: What he did as a senior. You saw the light
Speaker 1: bulb start to illuminate more and more. But this is
Speaker 1: a guy who I think the expectations of being a
Speaker 1: top recruit at Northwestern really overwhelmed him his first few seasons.
Speaker 1: But I do think there is some upside there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think that he can get better and be
Speaker 1: a guy who contributes down the line. For you. You
Speaker 1: play a little bit with him at the left and
Speaker 1: right in so it's not just a writing guy. Initially
Speaker 1: I saw him on tape, he was just a writing guy.
Speaker 1: And then you'd start watching some more of the games.
Speaker 1: You know, we've known, we've seen a lot of these
Speaker 1: big ten tackles, especially when he was up against a
Speaker 1: ram check, you know in Wisconsin, you can kind of
Speaker 1: tell that it was. Now, this is a really strong kid.
Speaker 1: I think he's I like the way he tries to extend.
Speaker 1: I like the way he plays his hands. I just
Speaker 1: don't think he can capture the corner well enough right now.
Speaker 1: And there were times too where, even though with all
Speaker 1: that strength when he'd rush up the field, you'd see
Speaker 1: guys push him too far up the field and he
Speaker 1: just didn't have the ability to get back. His best
Speaker 1: move is when he can spin and try and get
Speaker 1: back inside. He was close a lot, but never really finished.
Speaker 1: But the people will like the measurables, they'll like the smarts,
Speaker 1: they'll like the effort. I just don't see a guy
Speaker 1: that completely finishes as a defensive end. I initially thought
Speaker 1: maybe he would be a guy that you want to
Speaker 1: kick inside and let him play as a three. But
Speaker 1: you know that's what he's gonna be. Sixty pounds. He's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be. That's once I went away once that.
Speaker 1: You're right that that part of me said, no, he
Speaker 1: can't do that, because I felt like, if you could
Speaker 1: put him at the quarterback, he could maybe be quick
Speaker 1: enough because you see it initial quickness, you see him
Speaker 1: getting up the field. But then if you put him
Speaker 1: by the quarterback, maybe he can make a capture there.
Speaker 1: But having to go a long way, make that travel,
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit more difficult. His rush tends
Speaker 1: to stall out because once it does, he doesn't really
Speaker 1: have a calendar or you know, a plan to that point.
Speaker 1: And that's something I think there is some untapped potential there.
Speaker 1: He can't get better, right, But I gave him a
Speaker 1: six seventh round grade. Yeah he was. That's exactly where
Speaker 1: I had him. The Beast has six seventh round grade.
Speaker 1: For anybody listening, everything Dane's saying you can get in
Speaker 1: his book, Like not that we don't want to hear
Speaker 1: it from Dane Ball. Oh absolutely, this thing is incredible.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about the shoplifter Arkansas tight end Jeremy
Speaker 1: Sprinkles below Belk Bowl right, Belk Bowl Charlotte one of
Speaker 1: the most perplexing. That's the weirdest thing ever. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, and he was given a four hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars gift car. Yeah, they're they're they're saying, here,
Speaker 1: go ahead and shop for yourself, but by whatever you want,
Speaker 1: buy whatever you want with his card, and then you
Speaker 1: can walk out with it and playing the game. You
Speaker 1: still tempted to just I don't know, bizarre. And well,
Speaker 1: we'll see if that impacts his draft grade at all,
Speaker 1: because he's a pretty good player. Yeah, I could argue
Speaker 1: he's one of the better all around tight ends in
Speaker 1: this class because of his ability as a blocker and
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher. You know, I don't you compare
Speaker 1: him last year with Hunter Henry, and Hunter Henry was
Speaker 1: the better pass catcher, more athletic, more athletic, better hands, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's a huge gap there. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jerry Sprinkle's capable pass catcher. Plus he's a much better
Speaker 1: blocker than Hunter Henry. Right, absolutely, So you know, in
Speaker 1: the fourth round, you know this is we talked about
Speaker 1: this tight end class, how deep it is. He's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you know in that after the
Speaker 1: first first few waves, the tight ends come off the board.
Speaker 1: You know, the big names that we've talked about, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Sprinkle early day three could end up being a nice
Speaker 1: value pick. Yeah, see this this thing. He's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry's a downfield player. This guy could get down field,
Speaker 1: but he lumbers a little bit. But I'll tell you something.
Speaker 1: And Dane's right about him as well. He's an inline player.
Speaker 1: You could see him. You know, if you're looking for
Speaker 1: the inline blocker. We've talked about our kid from Ashland
Speaker 1: that being an inline player. Sprinkle is an inline guy.
Speaker 1: You could put him at the point of attack. Now,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get great movement, but he is a
Speaker 1: big body. He'll extend and he kind of positions himself.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna just snap somebody off the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna jump inside, he's gonna cut him off,
Speaker 1: ball goes to the outside, he's gonna hook his man.
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things that he can do.
Speaker 1: He could tie his guy up and you'll see him
Speaker 1: make some incredible plays down the field. I mean we're
Speaker 1: about Hunter Henry downfield. This guy can like in the
Speaker 1: Florida game, like a one handed catch ball goes too far,
Speaker 1: he like basically tips it back to himself along the sidelines.
Speaker 1: So yeah, somebody will take an opportunity. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of good tight ends. But I do worry about the
Speaker 1: the lack of athletic ability with this guy, because a
Speaker 1: lumbering players. Yeah, that's that's what I want. I like
Speaker 1: I talked about in Joku, like this team doesn't need
Speaker 1: the why freakish athlete guy that they're not going to
Speaker 1: use him, right, Just give me the they need. They
Speaker 1: need that kid they got from Baylor to step up.
Speaker 1: Give me the blocker guy. Yeah. And as a blocker,
Speaker 1: out of my top seventeen tight ends, Sprinkle has the
Speaker 1: second longest arms. Yeah, of these this group, but thirty
Speaker 1: four and a half inch arms, And that shows as
Speaker 1: a blocker, he's he might not be an overwhelming guy,
Speaker 1: but he's he could be a sustained guy. That's what
Speaker 1: he does. He will quickly hop inside and sit there
Speaker 1: on a guy and hold and hold it holding the
Speaker 1: ball goes and then he kind of loses his block.
Speaker 1: But that's what he does. This and this is we're
Speaker 1: getting away from Jeremy Sprinkle. But just in general, this
Speaker 1: tight end class is so deep that it tight ends
Speaker 1: are big wide receivers will but I think you have
Speaker 1: both though, and but there's plenty of guys that you
Speaker 1: can draft to play tight end asolutely on Day three.
Speaker 1: Like the safety class, it makes me want to stay
Speaker 1: far day the hell away from oj Howard and David
Speaker 1: and joku um. All right, tell me more about Jordan Morgan,
Speaker 1: who is a guard from a school that I've never
Speaker 1: heard of. Cuts down, cuts town. Andre Andre Reid. That's okay,
Speaker 1: Brian told me that this morning. I'm sorry, I didn't
Speaker 1: know where Andre Reid went to college. Uh they named
Speaker 1: the field after him, actually, Uh, Andre Andre Reid Field
Speaker 1: there he puts down on PA. Uh. He's fascinating, And
Speaker 1: I do you like him? With a Senior Bowl? You
Speaker 1: know what? I noticed him more on tape than I
Speaker 1: did the Senior Bowl. Right when I went back and
Speaker 1: watched him, I was really really impressed with his ability
Speaker 1: for his hands and his feet to work together as
Speaker 1: a left tackle. As a left tackle, I didn't think
Speaker 1: I was kind of I was thinking, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see a narrow, thin not very athletic guy. This guy has. Now,
Speaker 1: the one problem he'll have is that he'll get a
Speaker 1: little top heavy on you and as he's carrying a
Speaker 1: guy wide. But when you talk about initial punch, it
Speaker 1: kind of snapped the guy back. And then he's in
Speaker 1: position as set. I mean, his his past set is
Speaker 1: really good. And you watch him down ball, I get balanced,
Speaker 1: and you watch him down block. Okay, we're playing lawyers
Speaker 1: and doctors and Dennists and all that. I get it.
Speaker 1: But he's taking those lawyers and doctors and Dennist and
Speaker 1: knocking him off the screen. I mean, he's got some
Speaker 1: power to him. He does, and I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: because he's such an athlete. With the way he redirects,
Speaker 1: you project him as a guard guard in the book.
Speaker 1: See that that's he could be a guy with the punch,
Speaker 1: the athletic ability, somebody with an athletic front that like
Speaker 1: zone blocks, second level blocks. This kid might have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to be there. Yeah, I agree. And where'd you
Speaker 1: grade him? I put him in the fifth. I'm in
Speaker 1: the fourth. Yeah, I think we both the early day
Speaker 1: three right, And he's fascinating because he didn't play football
Speaker 1: until the senior year in high school and he only
Speaker 1: did it because he needed a sport requirement to graduate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he went out for football, amazing, and it
Speaker 1: didn't even have football in his high school. Had to
Speaker 1: go to another high school to play football, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he received a few looks and Cutstown Division
Speaker 1: two gave him a walk on opportunity, right, and he
Speaker 1: goes there red shirts, and then he earns a left
Speaker 1: tackle job and he starts the next four years at
Speaker 1: left He already three starts. I left. Yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: fun to watch. I was expecting kind of, but it
Speaker 1: was like I was like, whoa, I watched Yeah, after
Speaker 1: that exactly because at the senior ball he was underwhelming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was very underwhelming of this senior. But but then
Speaker 1: then you worry about the going up there. Kent's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's gotta go do something. Played off the stage real quickly.
Speaker 1: This just makes me. We gotta get that fifth round
Speaker 1: pick back. Oh, I've got I got some teams. I
Speaker 1: told you that. Some teams that got Day three looks
Speaker 1: very deep. Arizona, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Green Bay, Kansas City, Miami,
Speaker 1: New England, and San Francisco all holding extra fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: We gotta get that fifth next show. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a fifth pick, fifth round pick back. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna draw you guys off sides again. Bring it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go just one spot lower the next time. I
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