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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, June fifteenth, twenty twenty two, Season eighteen,
Speaker 1: episode number thirteen. Welcome to the latest and the very
Speaker 1: last Cowboys Break before we head to training camp in Oxnard, California,
Speaker 1: later this summer. That'll be late July, so we'll have
Speaker 1: a bit of a month, about a month here to
Speaker 1: be able to relax and get away from football a
Speaker 1: little bit and reset and be ready to kick it
Speaker 1: in high gear when we get to training camp in Oxnard.
Speaker 1: We're gonna recap this offseason. There's so many different things
Speaker 1: that have happened this offseason. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: questions for these guys just to give you a full
Speaker 1: glimpse of what they think of the offense now of
Speaker 1: the off season. Now that they've Cowboys have gotten through
Speaker 1: that and now are looking forward to training camp we're
Speaker 1: gonna start the conversation with Dalton Schultz. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of news floating around him. And in the third segment,
Speaker 1: of course, we got a little a little information that
Speaker 1: mister Helman's going to provide a little news update that
Speaker 1: mister Hellman's going to provide for you guys here in
Speaker 1: the third segment. And by the way, if you guys
Speaker 1: have any questions, I want to ask some questions about
Speaker 1: the offseason. You'll welcome to that in the third second.
Speaker 1: The numbers eight eight, eight, eight, five, five two two,
Speaker 1: nine to seven. How's everybody doing today? I'm doing wonderful, Derek.
Speaker 1: That was a hell of an intro. I think you've
Speaker 1: covered you covered the gamut. I'm getting good at this thing, man,
Speaker 1: I really am year seventeen eight. Come on, man, I
Speaker 1: just said, I don't listen what I'm doing. Listen to
Speaker 1: the number. Never are you doing? I got nervous my
Speaker 1: anxiety traits. Even though I know what it is, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: what is it? Definitely, yeah, it sounds very it sounds
Speaker 1: very ominous. It sounds very ominous. It's not ominous. It's
Speaker 1: a good thing. We'll talk about it in the third segment, Nick,
Speaker 1: how you doing it? Great? Stop grimacing over there, smile.
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Just wait till this announcement and we'll see
Speaker 1: whatever whatever Dave's announcement is. Okay, I take it. I
Speaker 1: actually was. I was you were you were talking about
Speaker 1: like going on summer vacation, and I was I was
Speaker 1: thinking to myself like the Cowboys might be beating us
Speaker 1: by a step or two, because that's sort of feeling
Speaker 1: like this is the most anticlimactic mini camp week then
Speaker 1: I can that I can ever remember, because Mini camp
Speaker 1: is like the payoff of everything. It's like, well, they start,
Speaker 1: you know, they're working out in February. Then they get
Speaker 1: on the field a little bit, then the ota start
Speaker 1: and it's three mandatory practices that are a little more intense.
Speaker 1: They're not here. They're not here today, and now we'll
Speaker 1: see about tomorrow. I don't know, but like they did
Speaker 1: one day and it sounds like that might be it,
Speaker 1: which I don't blame them at all. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the off season. I think you're supposed to be smart
Speaker 1: about that type of stuff. But so Dalton Schultz was
Speaker 1: here yesterday and then it's just like all right, we're good,
Speaker 1: like this is I don't know why. I just it
Speaker 1: feels kind of like, oh, okay, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how to explain it. I mean, you know, coaches
Speaker 1: want practices, you know, they they want as much time
Speaker 1: as they can. I think this team got docked a
Speaker 1: whole practice for for by the NFL for you know,
Speaker 1: not not for you know, violating some of the procedures
Speaker 1: and rules and so so if that's such a huge deal,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't understand it. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the next practice that I coach in the NFL will
Speaker 1: be the first. So I don't know, but I just
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, all these restrictions, you would think
Speaker 1: that there's a way to to to get them on
Speaker 1: the field and do things differently. But you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see those, you know. But when you look at the
Speaker 1: practice yesterday, I mean I saw thirty seven flags out there.
Speaker 1: It was not a good practice. It was very it
Speaker 1: was very ugly in a lot of ways. Just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem you know, if you played basketball and you're shooting
Speaker 1: and right before the game you just brick one and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, you ready for the game, Like no, no,
Speaker 1: let me make one before we start, let me get
Speaker 1: this st your practice that you want to just be like,
Speaker 1: we're good here, let's go to Oxnar. Yeah, I've kind
Speaker 1: of given up. I'm trying to make it make sense
Speaker 1: because a lot of things that have happened since last year,
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year, into this offseason, into yesterday,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why, Like, please someone, what is it that
Speaker 1: I'm not understanding? What is it that I'm not seeing?
Speaker 1: Like I wear glasses but damn sorry, I don't apologize
Speaker 1: what we're doing. No, but I'm just it's very frustrating
Speaker 1: because you seriously, I just don't understand it. And sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, is in my knowledge? Is in my
Speaker 1: lack of knowledge? But then I talk to you guys
Speaker 1: and other people and it's like I feel like everyone
Speaker 1: everyone's on the same boat. Like even watching practice yesterday,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a joke, to be honest, like
Speaker 1: everybody you know so much that were that were good.
Speaker 1: There were moments that were very laughable funny, there were
Speaker 1: others that were impressive. I think some of the rookies
Speaker 1: did stand out, and I'm actually very much looking forward
Speaker 1: to some of these defensive players heading into training camp.
Speaker 1: They did stand out yesterday for sure, so that was
Speaker 1: an exciting part. But going back to Nick's point, it's
Speaker 1: just like certain things just don't don't make sense as
Speaker 1: to why are we not able to go out there today? See,
Speaker 1: I'll actually I'll be the nice guy like I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care at all. Um, yesterday's practice wasn't great,
Speaker 1: but that's not the point of these practices. Like McCarthy
Speaker 1: has said it over and over and over again, probably
Speaker 1: because he knows what it looks like when you go
Speaker 1: out there and see it's like they're not they're not
Speaker 1: game planning to beat an opponent. They're installing their stuff,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what that looks like. You got a
Speaker 1: lot of rookies, You're asking a lot of young guys
Speaker 1: to do things. And then on top of that, they've
Speaker 1: they've lost a lot of personnel to injury. I mean,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen Jeron Cursor Malie Hooker in the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. Ceedee Lamb is dealing with something, James Washington
Speaker 1: has been dealing with something. Jalen Tilbert just came back.
Speaker 1: M Dante Fowler missed last week. He was there yesterday.
Speaker 1: But guys have just been in and out of the lineup,
Speaker 1: and I look at it and I'm like, okay, we've
Speaker 1: installed you call them installs. Each practice you're going over
Speaker 1: part of the scheme that you want to put in,
Speaker 1: and you say, all right, we've probably accomplished what we
Speaker 1: need to accomplish in terms of does everybody understand what
Speaker 1: we want from them when we do start practicing for real?
Speaker 1: And can we just get out of this without anybody
Speaker 1: being seriously hurt? And they're like, yeah, we're good, And
Speaker 1: I mean, I know maybe that doesn't sit well. These
Speaker 1: are professional football players. I get it, but I'd rather
Speaker 1: get out of the spring with everybody feeling okay and
Speaker 1: having a good idea of what they're doing. See that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like that's one of those things that's like
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago and it's like they
Speaker 1: don't have any preseason games. Were you worried about that?
Speaker 1: I mean it was like, well does it really matter?
Speaker 1: But I mean, why have ninety people on the roster
Speaker 1: if you're not going to cater to them? And yes,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of guys injured, but I mean
Speaker 1: you're taking opportunities away from these young receivers young right,
Speaker 1: could love to have that kind of stuff. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I get it. You know, there's on one side that's
Speaker 1: like just get to the games. You know, when you
Speaker 1: think about Tyrn Smith, like can we just get to
Speaker 1: the opener and just skip through all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, use the cheap code, just get to the
Speaker 1: end and whatever. But you know it is important for
Speaker 1: some other people. I keep thinking Garrett's line, you know,
Speaker 1: we we're for practice here, you know, yeah, fair, I
Speaker 1: mean I haven't heard that since Garrettly, No, I haven't either. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna kill the guy for the process. I'll
Speaker 1: never curely kill anybody for the process because ultimately, you
Speaker 1: gotta try new things sometimes and even this may be
Speaker 1: something he just feels like, hey, it might give us
Speaker 1: an advantage over here or advantage over there. Ultimately, what
Speaker 1: we're gonna juge him on is come September, the winning
Speaker 1: ball games and are they healthy? And like, those are
Speaker 1: the things we're gonna juge him on. So let's wait
Speaker 1: and see. You know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he's the one that has to have has to have
Speaker 1: the pulse of his team, and ultimately he's gonna be
Speaker 1: held accountable for how that all manifests itself in September,
Speaker 1: so that's when we'll judge his job is on the line,
Speaker 1: exactly right, So however you want to do it, I
Speaker 1: think that I think that's absolutely right, And so however
Speaker 1: he wants to do it, go for it. But ultimately
Speaker 1: he's got to be accountable, and he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: walk into Jerry's office at the end of next season
Speaker 1: season and justify all of this stuff and what it
Speaker 1: means once you get to the regular season and the postseason.
Speaker 1: I wonder how those conversations truly go behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, Jerry is a very open book, but
Speaker 1: he like he can be much more direct in private.
Speaker 1: There I was about it, you wouldn't know better than
Speaker 1: anybody sitting I'll just say this, I've been in some
Speaker 1: meetings where I was very happy I was not on
Speaker 1: the other end of some of the things he was saying,
Speaker 1: Like he's a very direct person and holds people accountable,
Speaker 1: which and I'm guessing the football coach will probably held
Speaker 1: more accountable than say, you know, whoever else is in
Speaker 1: charge of whatever other department in this organization. I would
Speaker 1: just love to hear that. You know. Mike is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do like a team activity on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: just kind of whind this thing down. We don't need
Speaker 1: all of these practices. And Jerry's just like, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what she wanted to. Don't think I'll forget about that.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, That's exactly right. All right. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. Um. He was out of OTA's last week,
Speaker 1: and it was obviously he was. He's trying to make
Speaker 1: a point. He wants a new deal. Um and Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I don't know that they've necessarily I think they're obviously
Speaker 1: they're negotiating. UM. My question for you guys is how
Speaker 1: important is this to the Cowboys. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: Dalton wants the new deal. Cowboys have him under franchise tag.
Speaker 1: They don't necessarily, I don't think, have to do anything.
Speaker 1: But is this something that's kind of important to them
Speaker 1: for other reasons where maybe they feel like it helps
Speaker 1: them to get a deal done. I think there's always
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's I think we all agree, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, Dalton Schultz is not Travis Kelsey, He's not
Speaker 1: George Kittle, Um, I know, shocking analysis, right, keep going though,
Speaker 1: what do you like? Who's okay those two? No? I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's and that's a fair point. That is a
Speaker 1: fair point. Yeah, that is a completely fair point. And
Speaker 1: I think that's probably Dalton Schultz's point. I don't think
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz would try to argue that he's those guys,
Speaker 1: but he's like, keep going down the list and see
Speaker 1: where you think I fall. I bet it's higher than
Speaker 1: you probably give it credit for it. Um. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys need to do anything if they don't
Speaker 1: want to, But um, I do think you have to
Speaker 1: consider that that conversation of like, well, you know, you
Speaker 1: want to give young guys the idea that the organization
Speaker 1: is going to do right by them, like Dalton Schultz is,
Speaker 1: he's a model player. He's gotten better every year that
Speaker 1: he's been here, right kind of guy. As long as
Speaker 1: we're bringing up old Jason Garrett is MS and yet
Speaker 1: like it's good for an organization and reward guys like
Speaker 1: that because the other guys see it, you know, and
Speaker 1: you don't want everybody thinking like as soon as it's
Speaker 1: time to pay me, they're gonna start acting like Jerks,
Speaker 1: So in that regard, I am looking at the list. Now,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews probably better than Dalton Schultz. But just for
Speaker 1: the record, he was sixth last yard last year in yards,
Speaker 1: he's among tight ends. He was third in receptions, and
Speaker 1: he was fourth in tight touchdowns. So he's right up there,
Speaker 1: top five in almost every category. I'll go as I
Speaker 1: think Kittle, Kelsey, Mark Andrews, m Darren Waller. Then I
Speaker 1: mean Kyle Pitts is bit. You probably put him above him.
Speaker 1: But you don't even need to worry about Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: He can't even negotiate a new deal for two years,
Speaker 1: so that's not even important at But then after like
Speaker 1: after four or five guys, you're like, yep, that's okay.
Speaker 1: And so I think the Cowboys would probably love to
Speaker 1: sign him to I think they would be willing to
Speaker 1: sign for that type of deal. Okay, he willing to
Speaker 1: play ball, it's he willing to accept that. So let's
Speaker 1: put some numbers to Jeff something new. Well, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, let's put some numbers to it.
Speaker 1: You have David and Joke who just got his new
Speaker 1: deal from Cleveland. Listen to these numbers and then I
Speaker 1: want you to tell me if you would do this
Speaker 1: deal or would you have to be less than this
Speaker 1: in order to make it work? Four years fifty four
Speaker 1: point seven five millions what he got thirteen point seven
Speaker 1: millions is the average per year, and twenty eight million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Would you be willing to give Dalton Schultz that deal? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that that me personally, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: want to wait one more year with him. I want
Speaker 1: to see what it's like. I mean when they don't
Speaker 1: I mean because they had He's always played with at
Speaker 1: least two really good receivers on the outside and a
Speaker 1: running game that's been really pretty good. Let's see what
Speaker 1: happens when he's a little bit more of the focal
Speaker 1: point and is he you know, I'm not saying the
Speaker 1: numbers are hollow, but I'm just saying they haven't led
Speaker 1: to a lot of on field success. I'd like to
Speaker 1: see it one more year. I think the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: do that. And I don't think they should get involved
Speaker 1: with what you know, other teams are doing with their guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, they know what they've got to do. They've
Speaker 1: got a quarterback making you know, forty million a year.
Speaker 1: They've got a corner and a linebacker that's going to
Speaker 1: be needing some big money here in a couple of
Speaker 1: years too. So I don't think I would do that.
Speaker 1: I'd make him prove it one more year. My question
Speaker 1: with that is, like, is the personnel around Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: gonna change? I mean, Ceedee Lamb's going to be here,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup just resigned. Das here, They just drafted Jayalen Tilber,
Speaker 1: who everybody feels great about, like a DA Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: is here, and we'll see what happens with Zeke. But
Speaker 1: like they're going to invest in the running game one
Speaker 1: way or the other. If they have to cut Zeke
Speaker 1: or whatever they wind up doing, they'll get somebody in there.
Speaker 1: What I guess what I'm really saying is is this year,
Speaker 1: I think defenses are going to probably I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: game plan, but they might give him a little bit
Speaker 1: more attention. How does he handle that? If he handles
Speaker 1: that and still is you know, the same type of numbers,
Speaker 1: then I think that that's a good sign. But if
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think we all look at it
Speaker 1: like he's kind of been the security blanky guy catches
Speaker 1: underneath bad turns up field, you know, makes plays and
Speaker 1: there's that's good. But I think I want to see
Speaker 1: what happens when he's a little bit more of the
Speaker 1: focal point and if he handles that and still has
Speaker 1: the success, then I think, you know, now, if that happens,
Speaker 1: that's three years in a row of really good numbers
Speaker 1: and then fourteen that that price tag is not gonna
Speaker 1: you're that's the risk that you tell. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: that's the problems. And you know, they bet on Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford a long time ago and they were wrong. And
Speaker 1: that's that's a tough bet to make because defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: I mean, other than Aaron Donald light in that Tyrone,
Speaker 1: I mean I love Tyrone, but like whatever forty five
Speaker 1: million dollar contract, like he didn't play up to what
Speaker 1: they were banking on. Um, it's hard to get sacks
Speaker 1: as a defensive tackle unless you're Aaron Donald. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: six seven in a season is amazing, that's what you're
Speaker 1: hoping for. They also didn't know what they were doing
Speaker 1: with him, like he was all over the map defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: To the point that I'm making is like, as long
Speaker 1: as Dalton Schultz is healthy, his numbers are gonna be
Speaker 1: good even if he is the focal point, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna have six hundred seven hundred eight
Speaker 1: hundre like he's going to have that type of production
Speaker 1: as long as he's in the lineup just because he's
Speaker 1: the guy, and you can't you know, they're not going
Speaker 1: to triple team him every down when you've got Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb and all these other guys to worry about. He's
Speaker 1: gonna produce like it's all. It's a damn near guarantee
Speaker 1: as long as he's healthy. And so the reason I
Speaker 1: say I would do it, I will say I looked
Speaker 1: up David and Joke who's contract after we talked about
Speaker 1: this last week. He's they're they're locked in on him
Speaker 1: for three years, like they can't really get away until
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I would like to structure it a
Speaker 1: lot like Amari Cooper's deal, where after two years, you
Speaker 1: like just frontloaded so you can get out from under
Speaker 1: it quickly. Again, like I don't know if he would
Speaker 1: agree to that. That's all, it's above my pay grade,
Speaker 1: but I would try to structure it that way. I
Speaker 1: would love to sign Dalton Schultz to a deal where
Speaker 1: twenty eight million is guaranteed and it all comes off
Speaker 1: the books immediately. They've got twenty three million cap space
Speaker 1: right now, like they could easily do that, and then
Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty three season, if you don't feel
Speaker 1: good about the deal, you can get him, you can
Speaker 1: get away. I would. I would just drafted the gas
Speaker 1: so it gives you his time to develop him and
Speaker 1: see if he is the next guy. I think. I
Speaker 1: think I said this last week, like two years at
Speaker 1: fourteen million, verse one year at eleven and then a
Speaker 1: very high probability that he will cost much more than
Speaker 1: that next year. I would be happy to do it
Speaker 1: right now, as if he were willing to sign for
Speaker 1: that type of money, like we'll give you fifty bucks
Speaker 1: more than we gave then they gave him Joku just
Speaker 1: so your agent can brag about it and we'll call
Speaker 1: it a day. Like I would be happy to do that.
Speaker 1: Would you do to deal? No, not right now, definitely,
Speaker 1: I would. I'm unnake with this. I would wait to
Speaker 1: see what happens at the end once his tag ends,
Speaker 1: and what he does this year, and then reassess the
Speaker 1: situations and the Cowboys are experts, are playing on their
Speaker 1: own time, doing the deals on their own time and waiting.
Speaker 1: I don't think that Dalton is really creating any pressure
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys at this point. And also, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just blinked out. I was gonna say something about him,
Speaker 1: Oh that you know how it always happens that you
Speaker 1: give a deal to a guy and then oh, now
Speaker 1: they don't reflect what that money like. They're not supporting
Speaker 1: and backing up the kind of money that they're making.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be extremely overcritical on Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz because I think he has done a good job.
Speaker 1: I was ready to get rid of him several years ago,
Speaker 1: but he impressed me and everybody, I think, in the
Speaker 1: way that he progressed and took charge once he took
Speaker 1: the step into the starting role. But I'm pretty convinced
Speaker 1: that it would be one of those type of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they paid him a deal and then now everybody's just
Speaker 1: criticizing him. He's not playing up to that kind of deal.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like it would be one of
Speaker 1: those decisions that I would be sitting here being like,
Speaker 1: what the heck, Like, why did the go always give
Speaker 1: that Dalton is not doing much. Again, I'm just creating
Speaker 1: a story in my head. But that's just kind of
Speaker 1: how I see right now. I just need to see
Speaker 1: another more year and then we talk. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think ultimately Cowboys power seventeen million a year, y'all are
Speaker 1: not going to be very happy, right, Cowboys have the
Speaker 1: power at this point. But it flips who we're coming
Speaker 1: with the riddle he learned how to blog better this year.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I mean, you got to look for
Speaker 1: a complete tight end, not just half tight end. Well,
Speaker 1: but you know that's also part of the point, like
Speaker 1: you started looking around these names we were just throwing
Speaker 1: out there aren't a lot of complete tight ends and
Speaker 1: INNI melody, Yeah, that's there, really isn't. It's just not
Speaker 1: that changed. The game has changed. It's not you're not
Speaker 1: finding those guys as much anymore. You're they're coming in
Speaker 1: with guys like cal Pitts. Cole Pitts is a pass catcher.
Speaker 1: Let's be real. He is a wide receiver, has a
Speaker 1: big body, so you can put him at tight end.
Speaker 1: That's what he is. I'll offer the hot take that
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz is not an amazing blocker. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's the garbage that a lot of people portray him
Speaker 1: to be. I think he struggles in space against better athletes,
Speaker 1: and that's when you notice it. You know, if it's
Speaker 1: like he's got to seal the edge because he's the
Speaker 1: last guy in space and and sometimes he doesn't do it.
Speaker 1: And of course like that he needs to do that
Speaker 1: type of stuff. I get it. But like I think
Speaker 1: his shortcomings get highlighted because they are they're big moments,
Speaker 1: Like you know, when you ask him to get on
Speaker 1: the line and chip the end or double team, like
Speaker 1: he can do that stuff. He's not awful at it.
Speaker 1: It's the big But then there are those snapshot moments
Speaker 1: which ironically it was Jarwin that missed the block on
Speaker 1: Zeke in Week one that everybody remembers. But those are
Speaker 1: the types of plays where maybe he struggles a little bit,
Speaker 1: but they're so memorable. That's the thing about a tight end.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a classic tweenair position. It always has been.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a mismatch one way or another, whether
Speaker 1: you know, you try to put a corner on a
Speaker 1: tight end, he'll he'll overpower and you put a linebacker
Speaker 1: you'll run by him, but then you also have to
Speaker 1: block the defensive ends, and so there's you know, you're
Speaker 1: always in on a mismatch. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.
Speaker 1: So the great ones are the ones that can figure
Speaker 1: out how to hold their own when it's you know,
Speaker 1: not to their advantage and then take advantage of the others.
Speaker 1: And you know, we saw wit and do it for
Speaker 1: years and Charltz does it at times. But you I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could be a better blocker, you know,
Speaker 1: but he's not terrible at it. And he you know,
Speaker 1: he has that chip on his shoulder. He plays with that,
Speaker 1: and I think I think this will be obviously going
Speaker 1: to be a big year for him. But I think
Speaker 1: looking at what the Cowboys have to do and contract wise,
Speaker 1: I would probably wait. I would just take my chances
Speaker 1: on this one. And if that means you have to
Speaker 1: pay more, that's what it means. All Right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our first break when we come back, when we
Speaker 1: get into our offseason review, We're gonna start with the
Speaker 1: question which player was the biggest loss for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: this offseason. We'll do that one, come right back. This
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Speaker 1: My first question for you, guys, and on each of
Speaker 1: these questions, I'm gonna give you prescribed answers. I know
Speaker 1: there may be others. These are the two or three
Speaker 1: I want you to work with and give me your
Speaker 1: best answer out of them. The first question, which player
Speaker 1: was the biggest or the bigger loss for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: Either Randy Gregory who became a free agent, who was
Speaker 1: a free agent that went to Denver, or Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: who was traded to Cleveland bigger loss Cooper. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't even think it's a question. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: love Randy, but Amar's resume speaks for itself. Is it
Speaker 1: about the resume? Is about what was behind him? Behind
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of it. I mean they have
Speaker 1: replaced Cooper with James Washington and Jalen Toilberg. I mean
Speaker 1: and they and they've replaced Gregory with um, you know,
Speaker 1: Dorance Armstrong and Fowler who has you know, his career
Speaker 1: year is better than than the know Gregory not obviously
Speaker 1: the upside, and you know, just just the type of
Speaker 1: player that Gregory is there's a little bit more special.
Speaker 1: But from a production standpoint, it's comparable. And they're throwing
Speaker 1: a lot at it, hoping that it all kind of sticks,
Speaker 1: and they're really hoping that dan Quinn can kind of
Speaker 1: make it work. But I'm the first one just like
Speaker 1: the whole quantity over quality, I never bought it. You
Speaker 1: get the better player. They offered the deal to Randy
Speaker 1: they clearly wanted him, having said that, I feel better
Speaker 1: about what is there where Randy was than what is
Speaker 1: where Amari was. I just think you got a career,
Speaker 1: not great receiver in James Washington his best his best
Speaker 1: season seven hundred thirty five yards a rookie, and Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup who you know. We hope he'll be available by
Speaker 1: October probably or you know what I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: you don't want to put a specific timeline on it,
Speaker 1: but like he's he's not ready right now, so that
Speaker 1: I mean Yeah, it's just it's the receiver and this
Speaker 1: spring more than anything. It's just been troubling to it
Speaker 1: there and be like, this is what they could be
Speaker 1: trotting out if things don't break their way. It's like
Speaker 1: somebody was sitting next to me at practice. I don't
Speaker 1: even remember whose number, Dennis Houston. Dennis Houston was running
Speaker 1: with the ones yesterday and somebody was like, they were like,
Speaker 1: do you think that means anything? I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it means nobody else's health right. CD's not practicing, Washington's
Speaker 1: not practicing, Gallup hasn't. He's not ready to practice. I
Speaker 1: was just like you were joking about semi Phoko, like
Speaker 1: he is the reps king of this offseat. Hey, that's
Speaker 1: great for him, it's wonderful for him. But I don't
Speaker 1: like the idea of having to play a game with
Speaker 1: no no. But right now, that's great for him, that's
Speaker 1: awesome for him. That's a crazy thing that even if
Speaker 1: all of them, all the receivers were healthy right now
Speaker 1: and practicing, you still have questions. You still have questions
Speaker 1: whether they're gonna be good enough put together, whether CD
Speaker 1: Lamb can be the number one receiver and Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: take charge as well, and we've seen him do it.
Speaker 1: But just in general, even if they were health, I
Speaker 1: think there were still questions around that. So now at
Speaker 1: the aspect of them not being able to practice, you're
Speaker 1: even more concerned as opposed to the defensive line that
Speaker 1: you got your guys you trust then Quinn, you got
Speaker 1: um Sam Williams. That I mean, I know these practices
Speaker 1: are very you know, they're not heavy or anything, but
Speaker 1: he's done some things that I'm like intrigued and definitely
Speaker 1: excited to see what else he can do once they
Speaker 1: put the pads on. But I have a lot more
Speaker 1: trust on the defense than the offense. Okay, which offensive
Speaker 1: lineman will be missed more Lyle Collins who's gone to Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: or Connor Williams who has gone to Miami now Factory,
Speaker 1: and Terrence Steele is projected to replace Lyle Collins. Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: the first round pick, is projected to replace Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: who's going to be missed more Lyle Collins. And it's
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to knock Terren Steele, Like I feel
Speaker 1: fine about Terrence Steele playing right tackle. Go Tigers, my guy.
Speaker 1: I miss you, Elsie. Um oh, I thought you're talking
Speaker 1: about the whole coach. No, I don't. Um, thanks for
Speaker 1: trying to throw me off my train of thought. Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele is Terrence Steel's fine, Like my issue is not
Speaker 1: with him. It's just like when you look at it
Speaker 1: in totality of the tackle position, odds are you're gonna
Speaker 1: need three maybe four. They used four last year. They
Speaker 1: used Tian Sky and Terrence Steele as backups to Elsie
Speaker 1: and Tyrons. They'll probably have to again and look at
Speaker 1: the depth from one to three or four. And it's
Speaker 1: terrifying for me. I don't know about you, Nick, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything and it's it's ot as I get it.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Haven't seen anything from Matt will Letsko
Speaker 1: or Josh Ball that makes me think that that's not scary.
Speaker 1: I actually I feel I feel already without trying to
Speaker 1: overreact too much, I feel so much better about the
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith pick. Like he looks like he belongs and
Speaker 1: he he looks like he belongs at guard and tackle honestly,
Speaker 1: Like he's not winning every rep, he's not like dominating,
Speaker 1: but he's looks good. Um, but you're gonna move him
Speaker 1: out to tackle and screw up the guard situation. Like what,
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about it? And so man, it
Speaker 1: would be nice to have a rock solid, many year
Speaker 1: starter tackle like Lyle Collins. Like, for the life of me,
Speaker 1: I just felt like a move that didn't need to
Speaker 1: be made. Like they they made themselves worse on purpose,
Speaker 1: almost like yeah, I don't feel good about it, right,
Speaker 1: even what they did with the money they did not
Speaker 1: like question. I was like, what they do with the money? Um,
Speaker 1: next year? We're always looking to the future. You know.
Speaker 1: The only thing you know about about Lyle that I
Speaker 1: I mean, not the only thing. I mean when when
Speaker 1: he's healthy, I think he can be a really good
Speaker 1: right tackle and I think he seems like his career
Speaker 1: is gonna be rejuvenated. I have a feeling, yeah, just
Speaker 1: down you know, just the Bengals and it's like Lsu
Speaker 1: North up there, and you know, like it's a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for for him and um. But but you know,
Speaker 1: he was the ass kicker of the of the line,
Speaker 1: and he was the enforcer. If you hit Dak out
Speaker 1: of bounds in Washington, He's the one that's gonna gonna
Speaker 1: punch you and and that's they need that. They need
Speaker 1: that for sure, and so maybe they got it. We'll
Speaker 1: have to see. Yeah, maybe the rookie is that, but
Speaker 1: we'll have to see. Maybe and needs to be needs
Speaker 1: to be. But they they need that, they need that
Speaker 1: gain and that was a role that he played. So
Speaker 1: I do think that he's gonna be missed more than
Speaker 1: Connor Williams um for a couple of reasons, and that's
Speaker 1: one of them. That's a very good question, and thank you.
Speaker 1: And I can't make up my mind because there are
Speaker 1: reasons for both of them. Like but you know, I
Speaker 1: really liked Terence Steel and for some reason, I feel
Speaker 1: that once Lyle Collins came back into the mix, things
Speaker 1: just kinda got messed up in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1: For that reason, I'm just gonna go head and say,
Speaker 1: and I know Connor had a lot of problems. Okay,
Speaker 1: we we had issues, I guard, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: it just felt like it was just one position position
Speaker 1: that you needed to fix. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm split half and half. They both have a good
Speaker 1: amount of why it's it's bad decision not to have
Speaker 1: them here, and I know it was kind of time
Speaker 1: to move on from Connor Williams. But I just I
Speaker 1: don't know what to expect that guard position just yet.
Speaker 1: The thing for me is like they would have had
Speaker 1: to resign Connor. They would have I mean, what he
Speaker 1: got seven million, seven million a year, which isn't a ton,
Speaker 1: but I mean they don't. They don't like hand and
Speaker 1: help money, big money in Dallas want to pay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a new contract where like Lyell was here,
Speaker 1: and so they have twenty three million in space, they'd
Speaker 1: have thirteen if he was here, Like that's the way,
Speaker 1: and and and they're not. They don't seem like they're
Speaker 1: in a rush to go spend all that money. And
Speaker 1: I know, like I know Dax's hit is gonna go up.
Speaker 1: I know that Trey Von coming and you can roll
Speaker 1: that money over. So yeah, but that's a I get it,
Speaker 1: and that's their problem to worry about. But that's a
Speaker 1: tough sell. That's a tough sell for a team that
Speaker 1: felt pretty good last year that you're like, well, we
Speaker 1: can roll this over and use it on guys that
Speaker 1: are already here like that, that's not getting anybody excited.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like Miami. I mean they're playing Connor
Speaker 1: Williams at center. Yeah, I heard that that's the plan.
Speaker 1: It'll see Yeah, yeah, that was part of you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they watched his tape at training
Speaker 1: camp in preseason at center, it wouldn't be worth seven million.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're seeing there, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're actually going to let him snap,
Speaker 1: you know, in the off season to practice to get
Speaker 1: ready for the season. So that would help him. That
Speaker 1: would help him, if you know, if you practice more,
Speaker 1: we're for practice. Mystifying to this goal. We're at camp. Now,
Speaker 1: do you think you could snap? You want to try this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame games in six days. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about snapping? Yeah? All right, Let's move on to draft,
Speaker 1: not including Tyler Smith, which rookie has a chance to
Speaker 1: have the greatest impact this season. Between Sam Williams and
Speaker 1: Jayleen Tilburn, Tilbert's a starter. It's gotta be Tilbert just
Speaker 1: because of what they don't have. I mean, especially when
Speaker 1: Michael gallops out, he'll he should be a starter. And
Speaker 1: hopefully even when Michael gallops ready, he's still playing a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps. So I think Sam Williams, though I
Speaker 1: saw a lot of commentary coming out of practice yesterday.
Speaker 1: Again we're talking about a June practice, but everybody's talking
Speaker 1: about him like, oh my gosh, this guy couldn't be locked,
Speaker 1: you know, and that kind of thing by Matt will
Speaker 1: Let's go. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be a jerk, but that keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: It's not Tyron Smith. But but and you were on
Speaker 1: the Draft show and you've said this multiple times. I mean,
Speaker 1: those guys that were getting picked in the top ten
Speaker 1: at offensive tackle, they're on Sam Williams as highlight reel too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was beating those guys right here, beating
Speaker 1: Cross and and I can't think of anyone else, sorry,
Speaker 1: but I know there was a couple of Neil Kevan Neil,
Speaker 1: a couple of SEC guys. So I mean, they've got
Speaker 1: to figure out his position. They're going to figure out
Speaker 1: what to do with him and how it works. And
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably not ready to be a three
Speaker 1: down player, but when he is out there, what can
Speaker 1: he do? And you know that's where Dan Quinn I
Speaker 1: think it's going to help the most right there. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's I trust Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn's gonna find
Speaker 1: something fun to do with him. I bet you his
Speaker 1: role if I had to guess, I just think they're
Speaker 1: gonna send him on the field in nickel dime like
Speaker 1: obvious pass passing situations and say like where's the where's
Speaker 1: the most favorable matchup and where and Sam go get
Speaker 1: that guy like that could be off the left side,
Speaker 1: the right side. He's done some stuff in the gaps
Speaker 1: at these practices, like basically blitzing, like not he's not
Speaker 1: a linebacker, but it's like yeah, just stand over the
Speaker 1: guard and run and sprint to the quarterback like that
Speaker 1: type of stuff. So I do think dan Quinn can
Speaker 1: find a way to maximize his talent. This thing is
Speaker 1: still it's really hard for for edge rushers to come
Speaker 1: in and ball out right away. This is when I
Speaker 1: wish they did pros like they do college, and they
Speaker 1: could put him in number eleven, roll them out there
Speaker 1: and just like make offenses not know who is who,
Speaker 1: just have them both out there. Even colleges can't. You
Speaker 1: can't have two of the same on the same type.
Speaker 1: Just joke. My point is, My point is like he's
Speaker 1: got the bodybuild, he looks like Micah, I just think
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a way they're going to use him
Speaker 1: to do some things and move those I think if
Speaker 1: you could, again, if you're not talking about him being
Speaker 1: a three down player, it does he have some position
Speaker 1: flex Can you move him around a little bit to
Speaker 1: where maybe you now have two players that can kind
Speaker 1: of do some different types of things and rush from
Speaker 1: different angles of the field. I think there's there's some
Speaker 1: stuff you can do with him, and I trust Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn to figure all that out. Yeah, because look at
Speaker 1: last year what he did with three rookies. Chauncey Golston
Speaker 1: missed all of the offseason and training camp, and he
Speaker 1: came in and he was contributing on a pretty good level.
Speaker 1: They're considering he didn't practice much. Osa had a really
Speaker 1: good rookie season. He was thrown in there when Neville
Speaker 1: got hurt. He did a nice job. Obviously, Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: was the unanimous Rookie of the Year. So he has
Speaker 1: a pretty good track record with getting these rookies in
Speaker 1: a role that's comfortable for them. And that's what all
Speaker 1: the players say it is he knows how to dummy
Speaker 1: it down for them to understand immediately, but it's not
Speaker 1: so it's not so easy to recognize for the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinators to figure out. And that's the balance I think
Speaker 1: for all coaches. Let me flip this on its head
Speaker 1: a little bit. What like between those two Jalen Tilbert
Speaker 1: and Sam Williams, whose success will mean more to the Cowboys? Like,
Speaker 1: and my point is, like, if Jalen Tilbert is a
Speaker 1: seven eight hundred yard receiver right away fifty sixty seventy catches,
Speaker 1: that could be huge for an offense that we all
Speaker 1: agree has lost some talent Sam Williams, And I mean,
Speaker 1: that's wonderful. The more you can do, that's great. But
Speaker 1: like there are guys again, I think they've done a
Speaker 1: better job of addressing that. I think there are guys
Speaker 1: that can pick up that slack. I'm hoping Dante Fowler
Speaker 1: can have a great season. I'm hoping for more from
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons to Marcus Lawrence is as healthy as he's
Speaker 1: been in a while, Like, there are veterans on this
Speaker 1: team that can and should pick up that slack. Like
Speaker 1: if I can choose between the two, if Jalen Tolbert's
Speaker 1: not ready to go and not ready to be a
Speaker 1: productive pro right away. That could mean big time trouble
Speaker 1: for this offense, Like all of a sudden, you're looking
Speaker 1: at games where like nobody can get open. I just
Speaker 1: I think it's more important for him to be successful
Speaker 1: than Sam. I mean, if they signed Julio Jones, would
Speaker 1: you be okay with it? I think you're I think
Speaker 1: you're signing as long as you're something that doesn't address
Speaker 1: your problem. Your problem right now has health. He is
Speaker 1: a guy that over the last how many years of
Speaker 1: his career, he can't stay healthy. Like literally, he just
Speaker 1: cannot stay healthy. So I don't know that you're bringing
Speaker 1: in somebody that really helps you because you don't you
Speaker 1: can't trust him to be healthy. Yeah, I'd be okay
Speaker 1: with it, just in the sense of like you're throwing
Speaker 1: you're just throwing numbers at the problem. And as long
Speaker 1: as I mean, as long as you're not expecting twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen Julio Jones to walk through the door. But if
Speaker 1: I mean any receiver that wanted to sign for cheap
Speaker 1: who's capable of starting, I'd be fine with it, because
Speaker 1: I their opinion, in my opinion of like what they
Speaker 1: have at receiver are drastically different right now, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see who's right. And I just think
Speaker 1: that that, you know, we said it last week, give
Speaker 1: these guys an opportunity. You know, you bring in a
Speaker 1: veteran like that. Now, yes, you can learn the offense
Speaker 1: and you know he could probably pick it up whenever
Speaker 1: you bring him in. But you're giving these young guys
Speaker 1: a chance. But you know, if you come, you're getting
Speaker 1: into camp and you're thinking, I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if Gallop will be ready, don't know much about
Speaker 1: any of these other guys. I'm throwing some more numbers
Speaker 1: at the problem and seeing that you're gonna throw some
Speaker 1: numbers into your you know, salary cap. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Somebody it needs to be. I think
Speaker 1: they need a veteran. I just think a guy like Julio,
Speaker 1: you have to pay him significant money. He ain't come
Speaker 1: into play just for free. And but I just don't
Speaker 1: think it factors. It doesn't match up with what you
Speaker 1: can expect from him from the standpoint of help. What
Speaker 1: is signific for get money though? I mean at this,
Speaker 1: like with what Julio has put on tape these lads,
Speaker 1: did he take any less than twelve million for a
Speaker 1: year better if he wants to. I can't imagine too
Speaker 1: many teams are lining up to pay. I get that
Speaker 1: version of Julio. Let's also remember like he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to play, no, So that's why I'm saying I think
Speaker 1: there is. That's where I think that's where a lot
Speaker 1: of guys end up not playing football anymore, is because
Speaker 1: what they're expecting and what they say is worth it
Speaker 1: for them to put their bodies through, be away from
Speaker 1: their families, all that stuff. It's it doesn't match up
Speaker 1: to the amount that teams are willing to pay. And
Speaker 1: so it's just like, well, of course I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go pay for what you will and pay me, so
Speaker 1: I guess I'm retired. Do you think the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: really entertain no that thought. I don't think so. That's
Speaker 1: not unless unless unless he was willing to take a
Speaker 1: substantial amount less than that, like if he's willing to
Speaker 1: take four million, I don't think yes. But let's say
Speaker 1: he was willing to take four million, and I think
Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys look at a nail because they loved
Speaker 1: to bargain shop. We know that, so I do think
Speaker 1: they would look at that and maybe say, maybe that's
Speaker 1: worth it. If they if they think the player can
Speaker 1: give him something, I think they think it's worth it.
Speaker 1: But I just don't see that with a guy like Julio.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to. He is already a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: so at this point he's playing for love of the game.
Speaker 1: He probably wouldn't be a starter. After everybody's healthy, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think at this point in his career. So if
Speaker 1: everyone's healthy, if everyone is healthy, he probably would be.
Speaker 1: If everyone's healthy, including him, including him, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's health. I still think call me them healthy. Healthy
Speaker 1: Julio Jones is better than a healthy Michael Gallo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but do you think they would do that? Michael's a
Speaker 1: future You think that you think they would make Julio
Speaker 1: the starter over him? Again, That's where I think Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They loved their guys, and if they got their guys here,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna bring somebody out. What are
Speaker 1: you playing for? I'm not questioning. I'm saying Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: the future. He who depends on who you asking? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm asking him, are you asking? Yeah? Well, no, you're
Speaker 1: asking him on Sunday morning when they're about to play
Speaker 1: against the Panthers or whoever. You're like, I mean, this
Speaker 1: guy's a better player, I gotta play him. I get
Speaker 1: all that. I'm just saying I don't I would be
Speaker 1: shocked if the Cowboys made a move like that. That
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like the remo. I I agree with you,
Speaker 1: and it's really I mean, I know I just said
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about receiver, but like I think they they
Speaker 1: seem content to roll with their guys and you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully Gallup can come back asap, and once he's back
Speaker 1: in the lineup, you know it's okay. So it should
Speaker 1: be fine, especially if Tolbert is who we think he is.
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, more going back to the tackle thing,
Speaker 1: like there are some guys that are worth throwing five
Speaker 1: or six million dollars. Yeah, and you want to spend
Speaker 1: some money, go go find those guys. Go find me
Speaker 1: there there are swing tackles out there that are worth
Speaker 1: overpaying again, like five six million dollars. There are guys
Speaker 1: you could add to this defense. That's I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not in love with with what's available to you at
Speaker 1: receiver right now. Like will Fuller's intriguing, but his injury
Speaker 1: problems are just as substantial obj injury. I can't I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what happens with Obj. Like I
Speaker 1: wonder he's gonna hang around until like mid October and
Speaker 1: then you know, as the league starting, Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: who's good? Right? Can I get that? You know? The
Speaker 1: Cowboys are like, this is a disaster. We have nothing
Speaker 1: at receiver Odell healthy? Now can you go? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that that's gonna happen, like Odell's Odell's gonna sign somewhere
Speaker 1: on October sixteenth, and that team is gonna have just
Speaker 1: blow the graphics out of the water. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a big thing. Can't wait. It's gonna be He's probably
Speaker 1: gonna go back to the Rams. They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: He's there now. And you know they don't you know,
Speaker 1: they don't have it. They don't have a salary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're only team. Don't have to do this, So it
Speaker 1: is that is the unsexy likelihood. Yeah, and yeah, they'll
Speaker 1: just keep stockpiling as they got to bowlers. Yeah, more
Speaker 1: back with the right Raiders. All right, let's take our
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Speaker 1: Final segment of The Break. It is our final segment
Speaker 1: before we take a little break here, we'll be starting
Speaker 1: back up. A training camp will start up probably the
Speaker 1: first second day of training camp. We'll have our same
Speaker 1: schedule as we did last year. We'll find you can
Speaker 1: find all that information on our website or app when
Speaker 1: we get a little closer to training camp. Before we
Speaker 1: get our final question in, I have for you guys.
Speaker 1: I do want to take a little time to let
Speaker 1: Dave make an announcement for our listeners out there. Dave
Speaker 1: take the floor. It's yours. Okay. I'm bad with emotions
Speaker 1: and displays of vulnerability, working on that in therapy, so
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just go yeah, as you might guess
Speaker 1: when Derek T's is a big announcement. This is my
Speaker 1: last week with the Dallas Cowboys, which makes this my
Speaker 1: last show as a Dallas Cowboys employee. That's really surreal.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yea, y'all know the way these
Speaker 1: things go. I told y'all a week ago, this has
Speaker 1: all sort of been brewing behind the scenes for the
Speaker 1: better part of a month. And I've been you know,
Speaker 1: you reflect a lot in situations like that, and man,
Speaker 1: just what a what a what a trip it's been,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how well y'all remember this. I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all had been here, but y'all hired me on site
Speaker 1: unseen as a twenty four year old idiot like which
Speaker 1: it's you know, like I didn't even come in for
Speaker 1: an interview, like you know, the draft was around the corner.
Speaker 1: Y'all needed to get somebody in. Derek was like when
Speaker 1: you know about the Cowboys, and I was like Tony
Speaker 1: Romo and here we are, you know, I remember, Actually
Speaker 1: I wanted to say rip to Miss Janette Scott as well.
Speaker 1: Another terrible loss for the organization. First person I met
Speaker 1: when I walked into Valley Ranch and like you know,
Speaker 1: beautiful smile. I was just I remember being absolutely terrified.
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I getting into? I'm a
Speaker 1: valley ranch right now? And nine years later, here we are,
Speaker 1: like Derek Nick, thank y'all so much for taking a
Speaker 1: chance on me, helping me grow my career. The good
Speaker 1: news is I'm not going very far, so everyone relaxed
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm taking a new job to cover
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I don't want to pimp it too much
Speaker 1: on Derek's airwaves, but Fox Sports is hiring me to
Speaker 1: cover the Cowboys for them. I will be around. If
Speaker 1: you like the way I covered the team, you can
Speaker 1: still follow me. Do that so that I will say,
Speaker 1: real quick, there's a good chance I'm at least holding
Speaker 1: a gun to Day's hit. There is a gun under
Speaker 1: this tape right now, so he's going to have the
Speaker 1: right answer that he will not be This will not
Speaker 1: be the last time you'll see him on our platform.
Speaker 1: I will I will take a I will take a
Speaker 1: stab in the dark and say looking for that good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just know there's some point at you, so I
Speaker 1: would be good. I would be shocked if this is
Speaker 1: the last time I appear on a Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com program, but for the time being, Uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it feels it's it's weird to say because like
Speaker 1: I will be doing a lot of the same stuff.
Speaker 1: You will still see me. But I am closing this
Speaker 1: chapter on this company. That I mean. I al was
Speaker 1: figured i'd be saying goodbye at some point, but it's
Speaker 1: still weird as hell to be saying it. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought I might be here for two or four
Speaker 1: years if I didn't completely crap the bed, and here
Speaker 1: we are almost a decade later. I've in my thirties now,
Speaker 1: mister Helman. Somebody called me mister Helman yesterday and I've
Speaker 1: about had a panic attack. So without Ray, I'm bling though.
Speaker 1: I just so Derek, I I owe you the world man.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Nick you as well. I mean you,
Speaker 1: you know, Derek brought me in, but you've kind of
Speaker 1: I've been your problem for the last nine years and
Speaker 1: we made it work a g I love you to death, buddy.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we don't have to end our relationship,
Speaker 1: but I did. I just wanted to say. And again,
Speaker 1: it's it's so surreal, like because you know, we're all
Speaker 1: still here and a lot of There's a lot of
Speaker 1: people here, but over nine years, like the relationships that
Speaker 1: you form with people that come and go. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna miss the most is the grunts us
Speaker 1: that are here doing it, the amount of work that
Speaker 1: goes into this. So I did. I just wrote down
Speaker 1: some names I wanted to say, y'all. Three obviously, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us my guy forever, taught me more than I
Speaker 1: ever hope to remember about football. Kent Garrison, the amazing
Speaker 1: work that I've done with you, Buddy, Ed Cahill, who
Speaker 1: was here before Kent, who brought Kent. And it's funny
Speaker 1: how that works, you know. Rolan brought you in. Roland
Speaker 1: brought me in. Uh. Chris Beam, Hey, buddy, I mean
Speaker 1: there's so many people here that like their job is
Speaker 1: to make me look good and never get their recognition
Speaker 1: for it. So Chris, I love you. Uh, Shannon Gross,
Speaker 1: Kevin tim and Scott Purcell, Roxanne Medina, my old homie,
Speaker 1: Lindsay Draper, my producers on everything I do. Like, if
Speaker 1: you've ever liked a video I've done, Caden Gates, Mike Marshall,
Speaker 1: Blake Silverthorne, Matt Kent, makes like everything back there run
Speaker 1: and I don't even understand the rocket science he does. Um,
Speaker 1: Nicky Harrison, Uh, Douglas Barraclough. Uh, I didn't forget you.
Speaker 1: If you're listening, Taylor Stern, but you're yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Taylor Stern and I I think, I mean both of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't need to say anything about Kelsey
Speaker 1: Charles like she knows that's that's my I mean, we're
Speaker 1: bound for life. If she needed me to say something
Speaker 1: on the show, I mean, that's just ridiculous. I know
Speaker 1: she's Yeah, I love you, Uh, Danny Serek, Matt O'Neill, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, remember Matt, Daddie Laddie. That feels like a
Speaker 1: lifetime ago. Um, did I forget anybody? Kay Clark love you?
Speaker 1: K Kay cried when I told her. Um. And then
Speaker 1: you know, mother of our bunch people that you like,
Speaker 1: you're friends with them and you know about them, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, holy crap, I forgot we ever worked together?
Speaker 1: Nita streetcanth Laurence Soklum. You've been around a long time.
Speaker 1: I know, man, Um, It's it. Yeah, A lot a
Speaker 1: lot goes into this and like we get to go
Speaker 1: on camera and look cool and talk about the cowboys.
Speaker 1: But so many people put us here, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure I said that. Um So, I hope
Speaker 1: I'm not rambling. Um it's it's been a wonderful journey.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade it for the world. I fully expect
Speaker 1: to keep working with y'all. So that's that's sort of
Speaker 1: the thing I think that helps me hold it together
Speaker 1: is I don't really feel like I'm leaving. I'll be
Speaker 1: over in the other room with Todd Archer and Clarence
Speaker 1: Hill and those guys. Uh So you'll still see me,
Speaker 1: You'll still hear me, but maybe maybe not as often
Speaker 1: inside this building. Yeah. Well, I mean what I love
Speaker 1: the most about what you've done is you've walked You
Speaker 1: walked in here with twenty you said, twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you walked in here twenty four years old, and you
Speaker 1: did it your way. And this is not the easiest
Speaker 1: place to work. You know, you got to understand it.
Speaker 1: Working for the cowboys, there's a kind of there's a
Speaker 1: cowboy way, you know, I mean, there's a way to
Speaker 1: do it, and you got to learn how to do that.
Speaker 1: But you also you never changed kind of who you were,
Speaker 1: and you walked in here with your hair messy and
Speaker 1: wearing a flannel, and you're gonna walk out of I
Speaker 1: wore a flannel, perfect hair messy, with his headphones, with
Speaker 1: his headphones done. I used to I used to say
Speaker 1: all the time, when ye still does. I called it.
Speaker 1: I called it Valley Ranch University because it's like as
Speaker 1: I you'd come in, it was like you just walked
Speaker 1: by the three people. You could ask a question too,
Speaker 1: but you're listening to a big crid or something like that,
Speaker 1: and probably and uh no, but but but you know,
Speaker 1: and and we I made this jokes several times. You
Speaker 1: got here, Well he's gonna be a rider, but what
Speaker 1: are we gonna do with them? We won't have a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff on his plate? And I always said,
Speaker 1: you were the garage. Garage is empty. We just moved in.
Speaker 1: We don't know what to do with it. And now
Speaker 1: we can't park our car in here. We got all
Speaker 1: kind of crap because we just kept putting stuff on
Speaker 1: your plate and you handled it. You grew up a lot,
Speaker 1: but you didn't really ever change who you were. And
Speaker 1: I think that was that was big And all those
Speaker 1: people that are are pissed off right now, not pissed off,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna miss you, like I'm right there, like
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. But I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss you, thank you. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: ever like truly learned the cowboy way, Like yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean i'd stick out like a sore or something. I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit around here, but you've smelled it a
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit older. But yeah, but you
Speaker 1: you stay true to who you are. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this, Dave. I Um, when I think about all
Speaker 1: the people and you mentioned a lot of people that
Speaker 1: have left this building, which well, and I realized I
Speaker 1: didn't read the name, and Lord forgive me for that.
Speaker 1: William Boykins just the man behind the scenes with everything
Speaker 1: we do. Put he's running the stream right now. He's
Speaker 1: probably listening to it. No, no, he did not touch me,
Speaker 1: he did not tech me, but he's probably listening right now.
Speaker 1: This whole place is dedicated. This whole place would burn
Speaker 1: down if Will took more than like an hour off.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, shout out to you, buddy. Yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that when I think about
Speaker 1: all the people that have left this building is well,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the one thing Nick and I being
Speaker 1: here as long as we have, we've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of people come and go, and really good people, good
Speaker 1: quality people, And I still have a lot of relationships
Speaker 1: with people that have left our team. And I will
Speaker 1: say this for the for the sake of those out
Speaker 1: there listening, you guys have to get comfortable with the
Speaker 1: idea that we're going to lose good people over time,
Speaker 1: because if we're not, that means we're not doing something right.
Speaker 1: If there's someone that's working here and they're really talented
Speaker 1: and they keep growing and there's no opportunity beyond that,
Speaker 1: and there are other people out there that have opportunities
Speaker 1: that give them more chance to do the things that
Speaker 1: they've been blessed to be able to do, they're gonna
Speaker 1: take those opportunities at some point. And that's something we
Speaker 1: gotta be comfortable with. And you guys, as fans, got
Speaker 1: to be comfortable with. We'll find more talent, bring you
Speaker 1: more talent, But you guys gotta learn how to applaud
Speaker 1: these guys who end up leaving because there's a greater
Speaker 1: opportunity out there for them to grow and that's a
Speaker 1: that's a healthy thing. But I will say this about you, Dave.
Speaker 1: One things I love about you, and not every employee
Speaker 1: is like this, as majority of employees are not like
Speaker 1: this is you were the type of person that could
Speaker 1: be loved by everybody in the office, but you stayed
Speaker 1: out of the fray of the office politics. That's a
Speaker 1: hard thing to do. You have a lot of friends
Speaker 1: up there on our floor, but whenever people are kind
Speaker 1: of having their little moments, which is the nature you
Speaker 1: get five people together, they're gonna be there's gonna be drama.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you managed to. I don't think I ever recall
Speaker 1: a time when somebody was like Dave was the problem.
Speaker 1: It was always Dave was just kind of like, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm friends with everybody here. We're all good. And that's
Speaker 1: what I love about you is you had that way
Speaker 1: of having relationships with everybody, but you stayed out of
Speaker 1: the drama. And and and that is a great, a really
Speaker 1: really great thing, especially from a manager standpoint, When you
Speaker 1: have those kind of people, it makes a big difference
Speaker 1: because you need those people to stabilize all the other
Speaker 1: people that might be kind of losing it from time
Speaker 1: to time and having their moments and having their feelings
Speaker 1: at times that can kind of get a little fraid.
Speaker 1: It's it's important to have those kind of people. And
Speaker 1: so I just want you to know, man, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you. You go, you have gone on my my
Speaker 1: little ring of honor of Cowboys employees that have worked
Speaker 1: in my group. You're you're up there. You're in that
Speaker 1: list of those kind of people they Alan Larkins of
Speaker 1: the world. Like you're up there with those guys, and
Speaker 1: you'll forever be there, And I consider you a friend.
Speaker 1: And I get my patch on my jacket, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming, it's in the mill, it's in the mills.
Speaker 1: Make sure it's flannels. Yeah, I got here. I might
Speaker 1: not have even been twenty four. I might have been
Speaker 1: twenty three, but I got here not knowing what the
Speaker 1: hell I was doing. And I was like, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna bust my ass and keep my head down. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't always do a great job of that.
Speaker 1: I've ruffled feathers from time to time. I'm on plenty
Speaker 1: of occasions, but like my goal has always been like
Speaker 1: make great content, keep my head down, and I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: Like for a while for a long time I was like,
Speaker 1: is this the right attitude? Like maybe maybe I maybe
Speaker 1: this isn't the way to go, but I can't argue
Speaker 1: with the end result. I'll tell you this, I've grown
Speaker 1: so much making mistakes when you're swinging for the fences.
Speaker 1: I don't ever have a problem with that because as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, that's something that the organization tells
Speaker 1: us to do. So in the times when you've made
Speaker 1: mistakes because you're trying to overreport, you're trying to do
Speaker 1: your job really well, those are kind of things I
Speaker 1: look at and I'm like, hey, I'll take that. I'd
Speaker 1: rather that than have to be pushing you forward to say, hey,
Speaker 1: do more. Figure out how you can do more, you know,
Speaker 1: And you're right, and like, I don't know if it
Speaker 1: feels good to leave and y'all will sign it, you know,
Speaker 1: y'all get somebody else who can come in and be great,
Speaker 1: because that's, yeah, the leeway that you give us, the
Speaker 1: stuff that you can do here just and that's you know,
Speaker 1: credit to the cowboys. That's kind of the way they
Speaker 1: do things is like cowboy way and if you think
Speaker 1: you can do it, do it. Yeah, we would love
Speaker 1: to be able to do like eight different things with
Speaker 1: two people instead of eight, you know, And so the
Speaker 1: skills that I have acquired here, I mean, it's it's incredible.
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: say too much because I'm a very sensitive and emotional
Speaker 1: person this whole show, don't I'll cry, No, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss you so much. Do you have no idea?
Speaker 1: You don't have no idea. I have no clue how
Speaker 1: this show is gonna look like without you, because that's
Speaker 1: all I know on this show. And I love the
Speaker 1: work that you've done. I love how real you are.
Speaker 1: I love how you don't put up a front. You're
Speaker 1: just you. And I appreciate people like that. I love
Speaker 1: when I meet people like that. I'm gonna miss you,
Speaker 1: and you see, I'm really sorry, I'm so sensitive, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss you sitting behind me. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't talk much up there because you're with your headphones
Speaker 1: all the time. But but you're like than me, I guess.
Speaker 1: But like I feel that the OG crew, not that
Speaker 1: the people we have now are not Ogs or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but the initial crew, the people I met
Speaker 1: when I got here, our little crew is like, literally,
Speaker 1: you're basically I mean, other than me, for you know,
Speaker 1: you're the last one to go. And I miss all
Speaker 1: those people so much, even though it was not always
Speaker 1: very pretty and there were issues here and there and drama,
Speaker 1: but I really really miss that our little group. And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just gonna miss hearing your voice and hearing
Speaker 1: your opinions. And I've learned so much from you as well.
Speaker 1: So very very sad to see you go, but I'm
Speaker 1: extremely happy and excited for your new job and your
Speaker 1: new journey. You almost got me. You almost got me
Speaker 1: that thank you? Did you you said you're one of
Speaker 1: the last ones I thought of Rob? Did you even
Speaker 1: mention Rob? Oh my god, I want to know. I
Speaker 1: know how you feel about Rob. That's one of those
Speaker 1: things sometimes you do that you you're just looking to
Speaker 1: make sure you don't forget somebody and you and inevitably, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: and that is your relationship with Rob is No, that's
Speaker 1: your and And it's kind of like Kelsey like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to say anything to Rob because he knows.
Speaker 1: But for yes, Rob Phillips my guy. Uh, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my brother, Like we I mean him and I have
Speaker 1: been grinding through this thing for almost a decade at
Speaker 1: this point. And that's the day, the day that I
Speaker 1: told y'all he heard a whisper or something and he
Speaker 1: just he looked at me and like, like me and
Speaker 1: Rob do like Rob and I communicate through gritted teeth
Speaker 1: most of the time on the off chance somebody's listening.
Speaker 1: He was like, are you leaving me? Like, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna wait to tell you. Uh, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: you're the man. It's been a pleasure working with you
Speaker 1: and again, and I think that's part of it too,
Speaker 1: is like I'll see him in three weeks um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be a camp together. We will. I guarantee you,
Speaker 1: we will have you on shows. It's gonna still happen.
Speaker 1: It's you know, hey, chase your dreams. And that's my
Speaker 1: dream in life was to be a sportswriter. And that's
Speaker 1: like like at the age of twenty six, people would
Speaker 1: be like, well, what's your dream job, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have it. I mean, I never thought I'd work
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, but this is what I always wanted
Speaker 1: to do. Having you know, I've I've traveled the whole
Speaker 1: country in this job. I've been to Europe because of
Speaker 1: this job. I've seen these amazing cowboy moments. I've gotten
Speaker 1: to know these amazing players. But the thing that'll stick
Speaker 1: with me more than anything about the Dallas Cowboys is
Speaker 1: the people I met here, in the relationships I made.
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about it. Yeah, we're gonna miss you, buddy,
Speaker 1: but we'll see you around and we'll still have you
Speaker 1: back and get your opinions on things, and and so
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll make it work. We'll make it work.
Speaker 1: Looking forward, but good luck to you, man, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see where this goes. I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some really great opportunities there. And I
Speaker 1: would not be shocked at all if I start seeing
Speaker 1: you on national programs like like you're the stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith of Fox Sports and Dave's up there just giving
Speaker 1: these hot takes. I would not be shocked at all.
Speaker 1: Y'all all let me show up and do TV and
Speaker 1: a flannel. I don't know if Fox might be like
Speaker 1: a buddy, gotta do the manni suit, Noddy, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: gott they're gonna make you do the man. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody wants to see me in a suit that tight,
Speaker 1: But we'll see all right, guys, we appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 1: It's our rap. We're gonna be back at the beginning
Speaker 1: of training camp. Will we go out Knox in our
Speaker 1: California late July? Makes you tick the website for more
Speaker 1: information on when we'll be out there, when we'll start
Speaker 1: up our shows till then for Nick even, Dave Hellman,
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