WEBVTT - “2009 Western Conference Finals” with Kenyon Martin | Nuggets vs. Lakers 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:12.440 May twenty first, two thousand and nine, Staple Center, Los Angeles, California. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.320 In a city known for its glitz and glamour, it 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.720 was the Denver Nuggets that shine the brightest. This is 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:27.639 Game two the two thousand and nine Western Conference Finals. Hello, 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.280 Welcome to Games with Names, presented by win Bet. I'm 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:36.000 Samuel and I'm Julian Edelman, and we are on a 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.760 search to find the greatest games of all time. And 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.519 on today's episode, we're talking about the two thousand and 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:49.280 nine Western Conference Finals Game two. Lakers burst the Nuggets, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.240 and I swear this isn't a podcast that hates the Lakers, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.640 but maybe kind of. They hate the Lakers a little. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.120 But we like Genny Bussy because we're Ginny Busy fans. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.520 But we both don't like the Lakers because it's but 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.000 we like Genie Bussey's so and also the Lakers are 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.560 the benchmark. Yeah, they're huge. Lakers and Celtics are the 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.760 number one franchises win wise in the NBA. We got 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.400 to trash them a little bit. That's called a measuring 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.319 stick team. Every time you play them, you pull out 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.600 the measuring stick. Later today we'll be joined by Kenyon 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.600 Martin can't wait. We'll check in what was going on 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.440 in the world in May of two thousand and nine. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.000 We'll take a look back at both these teams, and 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.360 we'll wrap up by naming the game and scoring the game. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:37.520 But follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:42.840 at Games with Names is the handle. Subscribe on Apple podcasts, Spotify, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:48.720 wherever you listen to podcasts, rate and review, and leave 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.120 a comment. We want to hear from you. Why are 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.120 we doing this match? I mean, this was a pretty 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.400 cool game, This was a cool series. This is as 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.840 high as the Nuggets have really flown in my lifetime. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.240 I can't think of like it because I grew up. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.720 I guess they had that big upset on the on 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.959 the one seed Sonics in the nineties, but you don't 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.920 think of them as having like a cool Now they 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.040 have a cool team with the Ookics, But like, yeah, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.440 this was I think the toughest team they've had. Yeah, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.519 I mean they had Chauncey billups Kenyon Martin, and you 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:29.040 always forget how good what's his name, Carmelo, Carmelo, You 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.959 always forget his name. I always forget his name. No, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.400 he was, he was generational talent. In his prime, Mellow 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.040 was unfreaking guardable. He couldn't be stopped, you know, even 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.760 in the game. In game interview he said, no one 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.560 in the world could stop him five teams. I love 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.600 that he didn't care, and you saw it throughout the game. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:53.120 I mean, in those baby blue, sweet silky looking nuggets unis, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.520 can you call it a Carolina blue? Is it a 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.120 Carolina blue? It might be even more powdery blue? Is 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.760 it more powdery blue than the Carolin line blue? To 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.440 do a color palette check, but George Carl is the 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.839 Carolina guy, so he'd probably say yes. George Carl coaches team. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.760 A lot of the players have trashed him. We got 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.440 to ask Kmart about that later. But like Kmart was 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.840 on one of those sports shows being like he sucked, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.960 he's an asshole. I wonder if it was just tough. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.120 I wonder if he was just a tough coach to 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.440 play for, you know what I mean, those nineties coaches, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.840 like guys like George Carl, Jerry Sloane. You know, they 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.239 let some slurs fly. There's no way they weren't, you know, 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.320 like they they definitely I mean, look, that's allegedly allegedly. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:35.840 We don't have any proof on this. It's just a 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 mirror I get. If I met George Carr, I'd be like, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.240 did you say the N word? Maybe a couple was 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.520 that the problem? There's something there's something hard nosed about him. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.600 He definitely did not seem like a player's coach. No, 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.920 but this was an era where coaches were coaches and 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.280 players were players, and you know it was it's all 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.280 been miskewed because of how Phil Jackson was with his 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.120 zen mentality. Because he He's had the best teams that 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.640 had to, you know, get all these superstars to play 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.280 well together, but most other teams were trying to beat 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.480 Phil Jackson type teams. That's a great point. Phil Jackson. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.880 You picture him giving you like a navajo like feather. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.760 He's like this is from Runs with Bull And then 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.359 you know George Carl's like run pussy. That was the 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.200 two different vibes. Phil Jackson seemed like he'd be fun 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.160 to play with, but he also you know what Phil 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:26.720 Jackson feels like he would do. He feel like he 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.840 would give you like a book and if you didn't 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.000 read it, like the next day, he'd be like dude, 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.640 I gave you a book. Yeah, he had that energy 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.279 full mister Miagi vibes. I don't know why the Bonzai 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.159 tree just came into my head, Uh thinking about that. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.479 You know, these little kind of weird, tedious drills to 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.760 build team chemistry. But you know, screw the Lakers right now. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.480 We're here to talk about the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, and 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:55.240 this team that had a shot and won this game too. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.799 They lost this series and six, but they won this game. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.839 And it was a tough matchup honestly for the Lakers. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.719 This was they The Lakers went on to win the championship. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:09.400 For one, they beat the Orlando Magic, Uh, Kobe, They 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.680 Dwight Howard. Yeah, Turk Lou. That was a fun Magic team. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.640 This was a tough This was a tough Lakers team 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.720 to beat. It was, but I think this was their 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.719 toughest matchup in the playoffs. Yeah, I think this was 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.560 a team that pushed him. But yeah, the Lakers were 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.880 just destined away. It was one of those this is 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.080 the championship. If we win this, we got the ship, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.920 no doubt. And they had, Uh, they had just come 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.640 off that loss to the Celtics the year before, so 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.560 It's like Kobe was like, I'm fucking winning, Kobe. This 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.719 was Kobe's first ring without Shack. They had Andrew Bynham Young, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.560 Andrew Bynham, lamar Odom, Paul Gasol obviously. Uh, you know 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.440 all these good role players like Derek Fisher. Uh, you 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.040 know who is the guy you could jump out of 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.279 the building, Shannon Brown Brown Jewish, Jordan Farmarm, I'm farmer 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.800 and jew from U l A Farmer U c l A. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:02.240 Luke Walton Lou Walton, Arizona and future head coach of 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:07.080 the Lakers, Luke Walton. Yeah, shout out. Even though you 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.920 don't like his dad, he just criticizes the next two much. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.800 You just don't like his dad. I think he's fun. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.640 He's like it's like he is fun. It's like going 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.559 down a crazy trip listening to him at like twelve 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.200 o'clock at night from the East Coast doing a Pack 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:27.159 twelve basketball game. If a person were tie die, he's 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:28.920 a fun vibe for that. I hope we can get 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.160 him on the pod one day. He'd be good. Yeah. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.039 I think we'd have to do a Blazers game though 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:40.640 probably UCLA. You like John Woodens, he was like almost perfect, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.600 the pyramid of success. Yeah, I'm just I don't give 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.960 a shit about your college ball. If you're on time, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.560 you're late five minutes before the meeting. If we're doing 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.080 college ball, it's because one of these guys forced us. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.839 It's because Kyler's Like, come on, I know Jack fucking 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:58.320 loves college ball, Davison, I don't give a shit. I'm 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.479 a pros guy, dude. You know, real cities love pro sports. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.560 Big city, big city, Real big cities like pro sports. Yeah, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.160 what's going on? In May twenty first, two thousand and 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:14.520 nine number one movie Terminator Salvation. I never saw this. Yeah, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.680 it was weird. It was two side. It was like 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.280 almost two sci fi e for me. Really, Yeah, Like 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.760 I love Terminator two. Yeah, T two rules. T two 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.600 was the best. Robert Patrick is a badass villain. Schwarzenegger 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.680 is now the good guys. Kind of fun. Yeah. It 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.800 was kind of like in wrestling when Hulk went to 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.520 the bad guys and then the good guy. You know 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.800 what I mean again? Right, Yeah, the he'll switch, he'll switch, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.760 but the other way around. But the Senegger became good. Yeah. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.160 T two is awesome. This is the one with Christian 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.520 Bale isn't it. Yeah, and you want it to be 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.640 good because I love Christian Bale as an actor. He's 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.680 the best top five? Is he your tough? I think 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.720 that's for this generation. It's debatable. I think it's you 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.120 got it. He's not a top five for range. He's 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.800 been there for everything started out. What was that one 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.760 movie were he News? Remember that when he was a kid? 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.560 Empire of the Sun, Empire of the Sun, newsy Is though. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.480 He's singing, dude, So that's that guy. We're giving range points. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.640 He's Batman, that he's I think he's the best. Bruce 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.200 Wayan best by far, not even not even closed. And 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.200 I'm a Keaton guy. I'm a Keaton guy. He's a 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.600 Ken State alone, is he? He went to Kent State 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:23.640 him and well, dude, fucking Christian Bale, American psycho and 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.160 he's amazing. I didn't know he was British when I 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.760 saw that movie. I didn't. I still don't know. He's British. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.240 The Fighter, The Fighter, the Fighter. Yeah, we're talking range. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.600 You got to put him in that conversation. This was 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.080 also the the movie where Christian Bale had the legendary 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.079 on set rant the y cinematographer for walking through during 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.400 the scene. You're a great actor, not a good person. Yeah, 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.520 what'd he say? You're an amateur because I was walking around? 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.559 Hey man, I mean we're talking about greatness, you know what. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.360 It kind of reminds me of It reminds me of 0:08:55.480 --> 0:09:01.520 DeVante uh with The Raiders. Oh when when a guy 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.200 goes on the on on on the through the tunnel, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.599 he pushes him. Sometimes you got to get out of 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.640 the way of the artists when they're working. It feels 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.000 like Christian Bale is such an art artist type actor 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.920 that you feel like this is clearly one he did 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.439 for the money. Like, you know, he's not doing he's 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.920 doing like you know, other movies for the art. He's 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.040 doing the machinists for the art. But then he gets 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.839 this one. He's like, yeah, this is They're paying me 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.320 a lot of money. So he's probably already cranky to 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.200 be there. Is he a method actor? He is? I 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.079 think is did he have to feel like it was 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.440 maybe he was in terminator mode? Maybe he was maybe 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.240 he's in terminator Was he playing a dick in the 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:40.079 movie John conn John Connor's like son or is John Connor? 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.280 He's the kid indeed too grown up, that's what he is. 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.320 I think I tried to watch it. I think he's 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.560 the kid in two that was on the dirt bike 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.360 all time and that Arnold was protecting. Yeah, I think 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.520 when he grows up, that's who he is. Oh man, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.720 have you seen Ed Furlong grown up? He does not 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:02.280 look like Christian Bale. That movie is a best case scenario, 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:07.520 even if it's the end of the world. Vibes yeah, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:12.080 boom pal, oh black Black Eyed Peas, No one's yeah, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.640 which one is that? Boom boom pom boom boom pal. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.320 Remember Black Eyed Peas had Let's get retarded. I can't 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.319 say that. That was like ten years ago and that 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.439 was a number. They're like, you can't say anymore. I'm like, okay, 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.320 but it was top forty. Like they made a lot 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.319 of money off that word. Did you see eight? Antonio 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.720 Brown's post to the Arizona Cardinals. What do you say? 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.719 You can't say it? Well, he said it? What is it? 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.680 It's like, what does it say? Like I'm starting a 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:45.120 new team called like the Retardinals or something Retardinals And 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.680 he did a photoshop with it and all, I mean, 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.520 it's a bad look. Yeah, I mean day and age 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.880 for Antonio Brown, know the client, know the climate, you 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.400 know it's you know, it's a bad look when we're 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.599 saying it's a bad look for Antonio Brown. Yeah, that 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.079 guy that I whipped it out in the tub. You 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.080 you can't whip your dick out in the public tub, 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.320 did he? Yeah? Over there in Dubai. Yeah, what do 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.960 you mean I didn't hear this story. You didn't see 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.480 the video. No, he was like sitting in a tub 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:18.360 or a big pool in Dubai. The meat just pulled 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.080 it out and then he jumped up and put his 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.360 butt cheeks on this lady's head. He wasn't even with 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.160 the ladies. You's just some random lady in the pool. Yeah, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.440 what are we doing, buddy, Yeah, that's not you can't 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.040 be doing that. He's actually such a charming guy in person. Yeah. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.960 I like, Aba came over, we broke bread together. We 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:40.000 only spent like six days together until you know, he 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.839 was out of the building. But I thought he was 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.120 such a charming guy. Yeah. No, I mean I think 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.120 guys like that certainly have the ability to charm, But 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.120 I don't think she was charmed by him at all 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.840 that is CTA in full motion. That is You're lucky 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.800 you got out, dude. Thank god. We don't want to 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.080 see Julian Edelman whipping it out in a public pool. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.120 Thank god you got your shit together. Yeah, I mean 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.080 I kind of want to see it personally, but I think, like, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.960 you know, it's a bad look. It's not a good look. Yeah, 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:15.920 there's not a good Glee premiered on Fox. Uh Glee? Yeah, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.000 that was that was big Jane Lynch. I didn't really 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.320 watch it. I just remember I watched it once on 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:22.920 a flight and it was like it was good. It's 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.160 a good show, which is not my cup of tea. Yeah, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.360 I was a little too old. That was like when 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.280 like being gay was edgy. That's when they were like, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.240 oh my god, a gay show is like on TV 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:33.640 and you're like it's not a big deal, but they 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:38.480 were like, it is. It's on Fox. Fox. Yeah. I 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.800 just remember there was like, wasn't there a rapper date 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.080 in one of the cast members And he kept on 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:48.840 like referencing, my girlfriend works in Glee? What big Sean? Yeah, 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.160 big Sean? He did Glee member who he date? Nia 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.000 Rivera Yom Yom's on fire today that kid that kid 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.200 died too, remember the one from Glee. That's Sad one 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.760 of the main guys r ip alrighty dude, Yeah, drugs, drugs. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.080 Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs, dude, so bad. Facebook 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.720 launches Farmville. Farmville was annoying. I didn't play it was 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.080 you know what. I didn't play either, But like you'd 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.000 always get those invites. Someone was like invite what what 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.280 did you get points for inviting someone? It's like being 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.160 It's like being a Jehovah's witness. They're like trying to 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.760 get you to recruit. I'm like, get the fuck off 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.720 my page, dude. Do you get points for recruiting? Is 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.520 there like a Farmville afterlife or something? So? What was 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.880 the concept to the game? You just farm I remember 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.640 a lot of guys in the locker room being on it. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.560 Really yeah, farming for hipsters. You'd be surprised that all 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.800 these little like phone games there was a phone game 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.360 was yeah. Phone games would be so hot in the 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.440 locker room in between meetings. This I remember Matthew Slater 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.680 used to play this game a lot all the time. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.760 He's I'm like it's cool, Like, what are you doing 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.680 He's like, yeah, I just watering my crops. I'm like, 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.160 we're in the training room. It was like an adult hamagachiyeh. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.240 Remember the Tamagatchi. Yeah, that was like a good test 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.800 to see if you'd be a shitty parent. Your friend 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.720 would just have one die immediately. I'm like, that's the 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.800 person who left their baby in a hot car later 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.040 in life. The guy who can handle a tamagatchi for 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:18.440 like a day. Good sign. Speaking of premature deaths, Michael 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.520 Jackson died at age fifty here, Yeah, that was my 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.000 newest segue speaking of people who died before their time. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.160 Michael Jackson at fifty. That was that was one of 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.920 the more shocking celebrity deaths of our time. Yeah, I 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.480 mean Michael Jackson was single handedly probably the most famous 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.200 person in the world, like one of the most beloved 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.080 entertainers ever and he died. What does he have, like 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.360 a heart attack from what was it? Profofle was that 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:50.280 what it was called? Yeah? Profofall was what he ingested. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.080 They said. Conrad Murray was the doctor who gave it 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.360 to him and was charged with involuntary manslaughter in twenty eleven. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:14:59.480 A lot of I bet there was a lot of 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.360 celebrity who are like, dude, I need a prescription. Like 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.840 a lot of people probably saw that he was probably 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.800 like a celebrity doctor, right, definitely. Yeah, he got his 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.480 medical license revoked, but they said as of twenty sixteen, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.600 he's still visiting with some patients, so he's still I 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.160 guess he's just gonna be. He's out of prison, yeah, man, 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.680 after two years on parole of his four year sentence. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.480 I wonder if that's the dude in prison who like 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.680 would get the hook up. He'd have a friend sneak 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.280 in prescriptions and he's like, I got your shit, guys. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.440 Maybe he's like the popular guy in prison like that. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.360 That was definitely his value. He didn't have to do 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:39.920 You ever have a doctor who would just hook it 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.760 up for you. No, they got really serious with that 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.320 stuff ever since the Sean Payton incident where they broken 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.640 and the whole vikinging thing, like you couldn't even have. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.000 They used to be able to store medicine at the facility, 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.280 like they have a huge like room full of it 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.040 that would be locked and everything. But then once that 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.120 that all happened, you had to go get your prescriptions elsewhere. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.040 You couldn't get it out like they used to on 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.440 the planes on the way home from games. The trainers 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.200 would just be like, who needs an ambien? Who needs something? 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.960 And that all went away real fast. You guys must 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.200 have popped like ambient the the You must be exhausted 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.440 at night. You know a lot of guys would do that. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.040 You know, obviously pain pain meds were huge, sure for 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.000 those guys. Sure never. I was never a pain med 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.440 guy though. Fo up your shitting schedule? Interesting, it plugs 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.280 you up. And if I my routines jacked up, like 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.000 in the morning, I have my you know, five am, 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.000 five point twenty dump, go on, like if I can't 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.680 put first thing in the morning, Yeah, first thing, two 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.640 dumps before practice, two two dumps before you got a 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.960 sweet metabolism. Dude, it was it was on like clockwork, buddy, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.520 oh man, get that thing down. But yeah, the pain pills, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.760 like when I'd have surgery, I'd get off of them 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.480 and like as soon as I could, because it just 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.440 I didn't like I didn't like the feel. And also 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.560 it's probably bad to be on those because you don't 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.919 know where you're hurting. Really, No, that that that it 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.400 wasn't anything to do with the pain relief that you got. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.399 It just was my shitting schedule. It was just poop. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.879 I could not not poop. You never you didn't. I 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.840 mean you must have needed them sometimes, right. There was 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.160 a couple of games early on in my career where 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.440 I would do it, but you could take towardal Tordoll 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.280 was a it's an anti inflammatory, like it's like gonna 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.439 leave times a thousand, which that did the job for me. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.080 I didn't I didn't want to feel oozy. I remember 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:36.359 one time I had a prescription and I took a 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.280 like a vik it in. I had a bad back. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.320 I tackled Vince Young and I when I was playing defense, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.479 and I fucked up my back. This wasn't like skinny 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.840 Vince Young. This was thick Vince Young. This No, this 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.000 was Philly Phil. I remember Philly Vince Young where he 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.480 had his little time and I hit him square in 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.119 like the middle part of him. So I didn't take 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.240 him low enough where he'd flip over and or high 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.399 enough where he would go down. Hit I'm right in 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.879 the middle and like my back like just jammed and 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.720 I couldn't walk for like he was huge huge. And 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.280 the next week we played the Redskins and I had to. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.359 I took a vik it end before the game and 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.520 a turtle and like pre workout drink and I remember 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.560 going out and getting called for a punt return and 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.600 looking and seeing three balls. I saw, like three ball. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.119 I'm like, I can't do this anymore, almost muffed up punt. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.200 Three balls is too many for any occasion. Yeah, I 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.000 like to cap it at too. Just keep it at too, 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.960 Let's keep it. That's brutal, Dudeeah, did you catch the ball? 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.040 I caught it, Yeah, but I just I just didn't 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:39.080 like that. Yeah, that's terrifying. Yeah. And did you feel 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:40.960 okay to play though? Yeah? You were just you don't 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.199 feel pain? You didn't, I didn't feel pain. But you know, 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.880 did you feel like almost invincible when you were running 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.320 with the ball because you didn't feel pain? No? I 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.199 mean yeah, you always feel that way. Yeah, whenever you 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.399 have the ball in your hand. It was, you always 0:18:55.400 --> 0:19:00.600 feel invincible. Fuck yeah until you jump up and get clobbered. Yeah, 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.000 by like five guys. If you were that dude, you 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.240 were that dude who would just get hit, get hit. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.720 You got hit a lot, especially when you're younger. When 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.800 you're younger, you're young, dumb, full of come, don't have 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.119 many opportunities to have the ball in your hand. So 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:20.560 every time you were trying to make a touchdown, you know, second, third, fourth, efforts, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.280 just getting lit up. Yeah, but that was that was 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.439 who you were. I always love Jeremy shocking the giants 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.120 because he didn't do that ship and I was like, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.040 that was his thing. But that takes years off your career. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.960 Oh dude, he retired young. Yeah. I think he was 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.199 a party animal too. I think I think once you 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.920 start banging tar read your days are numbered. That's that's 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.160 a bad sign. Tom Brady got it though. What Tom 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.200 used to be back in the day, really before my time. 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.080 I could either conform nor could I deny. Jules, you 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.919 were going balls to the wall, letting Vince Young had it. 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.400 But you recorded after the game is saying, with all 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.440 these rules floating around in regards to hitting the quarterback, 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.960 I wanted to hit him, but do it right. I 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:02.320 just didn't want to get out of there and get 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.560 a penalty of any kind. Wow. So you were thinking, hey, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.440 ahead of your time, you know you gotta I didn't 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.520 want to have a penalty and then you know, and 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.520 get a hit on the quarterback and then all of 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:18.119 a sudden see a little yellow Yankee and just trot 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.919 over to the bench with Bill staring me down like 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.720 he wanted to kill me because you extend a drive 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.520 by No means that I ever want that. No means 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.600 let's go to the NBA. In two thousand and nine, 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.680 the Lakers ended up winning it all. As we said, 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.719 they beat the Magic four to one. Kobe's first championship 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.560 post shack. This was big. You know, that one in 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.240 Boston really hurt him because he grew up, didn't He 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:46.040 grew up a Lakers fan. Kobe. Let me look, I 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.640 know I knew he well whatever, regardless, he was mister Lakers, 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.399 so he knew what he knew what it meant to 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.480 be Boston, that I meant to lose to Boston too. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.119 That was a tough one. And then they well, he 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.119 got his revenge in twenty ten. I used to go 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.320 to that that went to that game. Those games they 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.120