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Speaker 1: May twenty first, two thousand and nine, Staple Center, Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: In a city known for its glitz and glamour, it

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Speaker 1: was the Denver Nuggets that shine the brightest. This is

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Speaker 1: Game two the two thousand and nine Western Conference Finals. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names, presented by win Bet. I'm

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Speaker 1: Samuel and I'm Julian Edelman, and we are on a

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Speaker 1: search to find the greatest games of all time. And

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Speaker 1: on today's episode, we're talking about the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: nine Western Conference Finals Game two. Lakers burst the Nuggets,

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Speaker 1: and I swear this isn't a podcast that hates the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: but maybe kind of. They hate the Lakers a little.

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Speaker 1: But we like Genny Bussy because we're Ginny Busy fans.

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Speaker 1: But we both don't like the Lakers because it's but

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Speaker 1: we like Genie Bussey's so and also the Lakers are

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Speaker 1: the benchmark. Yeah, they're huge. Lakers and Celtics are the

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Speaker 1: number one franchises win wise in the NBA. We got

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Speaker 1: to trash them a little bit. That's called a measuring

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Speaker 1: stick team. Every time you play them, you pull out

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Speaker 1: the measuring stick. Later today we'll be joined by Kenyon

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Speaker 1: Martin can't wait. We'll check in what was going on

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Speaker 1: in the world in May of two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a look back at both these teams, and

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Speaker 1: we'll wrap up by naming the game and scoring the game.

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Speaker 1: But follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter

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Speaker 1: a comment. We want to hear from you. Why are

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Speaker 1: we doing this match? I mean, this was a pretty

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Speaker 1: cool game, This was a cool series. This is as

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Speaker 1: high as the Nuggets have really flown in my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of like it because I grew up.

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Speaker 1: I guess they had that big upset on the on

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Speaker 1: the one seed Sonics in the nineties, but you don't

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Speaker 1: think of them as having like a cool Now they

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Speaker 1: have a cool team with the Ookics, But like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was I think the toughest team they've had. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they had Chauncey billups Kenyon Martin, and you

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Speaker 1: always forget how good what's his name, Carmelo, Carmelo, You

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Speaker 1: always forget his name. I always forget his name. No,

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Speaker 1: he was, he was generational talent. In his prime, Mellow

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Speaker 1: was unfreaking guardable. He couldn't be stopped, you know, even

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Speaker 1: in the game. In game interview he said, no one

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Speaker 1: in the world could stop him five teams. I love

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Speaker 1: that he didn't care, and you saw it throughout the game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in those baby blue, sweet silky looking nuggets unis,

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Speaker 1: can you call it a Carolina blue? Is it a

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Speaker 1: Carolina blue? It might be even more powdery blue? Is

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Speaker 1: it more powdery blue than the Carolin line blue? To

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Speaker 1: do a color palette check, but George Carl is the

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Speaker 1: Carolina guy, so he'd probably say yes. George Carl coaches team.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the players have trashed him. We got

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Speaker 1: to ask Kmart about that later. But like Kmart was

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Speaker 1: on one of those sports shows being like he sucked,

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Speaker 1: he's an asshole. I wonder if it was just tough.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he was just a tough coach to

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Speaker 1: play for, you know what I mean, those nineties coaches,

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Speaker 1: like guys like George Carl, Jerry Sloane. You know, they

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Speaker 1: let some slurs fly. There's no way they weren't, you know,

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Speaker 1: like they they definitely I mean, look, that's allegedly allegedly.

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Speaker 1: We don't have any proof on this. It's just a

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Speaker 1: mirror I get. If I met George Carr, I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: did you say the N word? Maybe a couple was

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Speaker 1: that the problem? There's something there's something hard nosed about him.

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Speaker 1: He definitely did not seem like a player's coach. No,

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Speaker 1: but this was an era where coaches were coaches and

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Speaker 1: players were players, and you know it was it's all

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Speaker 1: been miskewed because of how Phil Jackson was with his

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Speaker 1: zen mentality. Because he He's had the best teams that

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Speaker 1: well together, but most other teams were trying to beat

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Speaker 1: Phil Jackson type teams. That's a great point. Phil Jackson.

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Speaker 1: You picture him giving you like a navajo like feather.

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Speaker 1: He's like this is from Runs with Bull And then

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Speaker 1: you know George Carl's like run pussy. That was the

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Speaker 1: two different vibes. Phil Jackson seemed like he'd be fun

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Speaker 1: Jackson feels like he would do. He feel like he

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Speaker 1: I gave you a book. Yeah, he had that energy

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Speaker 1: full mister Miagi vibes. I don't know why the Bonzai

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Speaker 1: You know, these little kind of weird, tedious drills to

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Speaker 1: build team chemistry. But you know, screw the Lakers right now.

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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: this team that had a shot and won this game too.

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Speaker 1: They lost this series and six, but they won this game.

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Speaker 1: And it was a tough matchup honestly for the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: This was they The Lakers went on to win the championship.

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Speaker 1: For one, they beat the Orlando Magic, Uh, Kobe, They

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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard. Yeah, Turk Lou. That was a fun Magic team.

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Speaker 1: This was a tough This was a tough Lakers team

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Speaker 1: to beat. It was, but I think this was their

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Speaker 1: toughest matchup in the playoffs. Yeah, I think this was

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Speaker 1: a team that pushed him. But yeah, the Lakers were

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Speaker 1: just destined away. It was one of those this is

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Speaker 1: the championship. If we win this, we got the ship,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. And they had, Uh, they had just come

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Speaker 1: off that loss to the Celtics the year before, so

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Speaker 1: It's like Kobe was like, I'm fucking winning, Kobe. This

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Speaker 1: was Kobe's first ring without Shack. They had Andrew Bynham Young,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Bynham, lamar Odom, Paul Gasol obviously. Uh, you know

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Speaker 1: all these good role players like Derek Fisher. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: know who is the guy you could jump out of

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Speaker 1: the building, Shannon Brown Brown Jewish, Jordan Farmarm, I'm farmer

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Speaker 1: and jew from U l A Farmer U c l A.

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Speaker 1: Luke Walton Lou Walton, Arizona and future head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, Luke Walton. Yeah, shout out. Even though you

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Speaker 1: don't like his dad, he just criticizes the next two much.

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Speaker 1: You just don't like his dad. I think he's fun.

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Speaker 1: He's like it's like he is fun. It's like going

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Speaker 1: down a crazy trip listening to him at like twelve

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Speaker 1: o'clock at night from the East Coast doing a Pack

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Speaker 1: twelve basketball game. If a person were tie die, he's

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Speaker 1: a fun vibe for that. I hope we can get

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Speaker 1: him on the pod one day. He'd be good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think we'd have to do a Blazers game though

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Speaker 1: probably UCLA. You like John Woodens, he was like almost perfect,

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Speaker 1: the pyramid of success. Yeah, I'm just I don't give

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Speaker 1: a shit about your college ball. If you're on time,

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Speaker 1: you're late five minutes before the meeting. If we're doing

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Speaker 1: college ball, it's because one of these guys forced us.

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Speaker 1: It's because Kyler's Like, come on, I know Jack fucking

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Speaker 1: loves college ball, Davison, I don't give a shit. I'm

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Speaker 1: a pros guy, dude. You know, real cities love pro sports.

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Speaker 1: Big city, big city, Real big cities like pro sports. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? In May twenty first, two thousand and

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Speaker 1: nine number one movie Terminator Salvation. I never saw this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was weird. It was two side. It was like

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Speaker 1: almost two sci fi e for me. Really, Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: I love Terminator two. Yeah, T two rules. T two

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Speaker 1: was the best. Robert Patrick is a badass villain. Schwarzenegger

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Speaker 1: is now the good guys. Kind of fun. Yeah. It

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Speaker 1: was kind of like in wrestling when Hulk went to

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Speaker 1: the bad guys and then the good guy. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean again? Right, Yeah, the he'll switch, he'll switch,

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Speaker 1: but the other way around. But the Senegger became good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: T two is awesome. This is the one with Christian

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Speaker 1: Bale isn't it. Yeah, and you want it to be

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Speaker 1: good because I love Christian Bale as an actor. He's

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Speaker 1: the best top five? Is he your tough? I think

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Speaker 1: that's for this generation. It's debatable. I think it's you

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Speaker 1: got it. He's not a top five for range. He's

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Speaker 1: been there for everything started out. What was that one

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Speaker 1: movie were he News? Remember that when he was a kid?

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Speaker 1: Empire of the Sun, Empire of the Sun, newsy Is though.

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Speaker 1: He's singing, dude, So that's that guy. We're giving range points.

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Speaker 1: He's Batman, that he's I think he's the best. Bruce

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Speaker 1: Wayan best by far, not even not even closed. And

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Speaker 1: I'm a Keaton guy. I'm a Keaton guy. He's a

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Speaker 1: Ken State alone, is he? He went to Kent State

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Speaker 1: him and well, dude, fucking Christian Bale, American psycho and

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Speaker 1: he's amazing. I didn't know he was British when I

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Speaker 1: saw that movie. I didn't. I still don't know. He's British.

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Speaker 1: The Fighter, The Fighter, the Fighter. Yeah, we're talking range.

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Speaker 1: You got to put him in that conversation. This was

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Speaker 1: also the the movie where Christian Bale had the legendary

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Speaker 1: on set rant the y cinematographer for walking through during

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Speaker 1: the scene. You're a great actor, not a good person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what'd he say? You're an amateur because I was walking around?

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I mean we're talking about greatness, you know what.

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Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of It reminds me of

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Speaker 1: DeVante uh with The Raiders. Oh when when a guy

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Speaker 1: he pushes him. Sometimes you got to get out of

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Speaker 1: the way of the artists when they're working. It feels

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Speaker 1: like Christian Bale is such an art artist type actor

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Speaker 1: that you feel like this is clearly one he did

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Speaker 1: for the money. Like, you know, he's not doing he's

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Speaker 1: doing like you know, other movies for the art. He's

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Speaker 1: doing the machinists for the art. But then he gets

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Speaker 1: this one. He's like, yeah, this is They're paying me

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Speaker 1: be there. Is he a method actor? He is? I

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Speaker 1: think is did he have to feel like it was

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Speaker 1: maybe he was in terminator mode? Maybe he was maybe

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Speaker 1: he's in terminator Was he playing a dick in the

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Speaker 1: movie John conn John Connor's like son or is John Connor?

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Speaker 1: He's the kid indeed too grown up, that's what he is.

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Speaker 1: I think I tried to watch it. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the kid in two that was on the dirt bike

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Speaker 1: all time and that Arnold was protecting. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: when he grows up, that's who he is. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: have you seen Ed Furlong grown up? He does not

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Speaker 1: look like Christian Bale. That movie is a best case scenario,

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Speaker 1: even if it's the end of the world. Vibes yeah,

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Speaker 1: boom pal, oh black Black Eyed Peas, No one's yeah,

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Speaker 1: which one is that? Boom boom pom boom boom pal.

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Speaker 1: Remember Black Eyed Peas had Let's get retarded. I can't

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Speaker 1: say that. That was like ten years ago and that

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Speaker 1: was a number. They're like, you can't say anymore. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: but it was top forty. Like they made a lot

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Speaker 1: of money off that word. Did you see eight? Antonio

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Speaker 1: Brown's post to the Arizona Cardinals. What do you say?

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Speaker 1: You can't say it? Well, he said it? What is it?

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Speaker 1: It's like, what does it say? Like I'm starting a

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Speaker 1: new team called like the Retardinals or something Retardinals And

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Speaker 1: he did a photoshop with it and all, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a bad look. Yeah, I mean day and age

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Speaker 1: for Antonio Brown, know the client, know the climate, you

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Speaker 1: know it's you know, it's a bad look when we're

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Speaker 1: saying it's a bad look for Antonio Brown. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: guy that I whipped it out in the tub. You

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Speaker 1: you can't whip your dick out in the public tub,

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Speaker 1: did he? Yeah? Over there in Dubai. Yeah, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean I didn't hear this story. You didn't see

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Speaker 1: the video. No, he was like sitting in a tub

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Speaker 1: Second off, I'm not getting anywhere near anything like that. No,

420
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: it's draw, it's bad for the team. The MVP was

421
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: Lebron that year, Wade was a leading scorer and they

422
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 1: teamed up the next year. The Rookie of the Year

423
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: was a young Spry, A Spry Derek Rose athletic. He

424
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: was unlike anything you'd seen at that point, a guy

425
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: who could jump like that, and he was kind of

426
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: like Russell Westbrook. Yeah, he had that same explosiveness. He

427
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: was better and then you know when Russell was cooking.

428
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean he was the youngest MVP of all time too.

429
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean he was unreal. Had really good commercials with

430
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: Adidas too. He made Adidas look cool for sure. Remember

431
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: he had like he would do the jog outside of

432
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: because he was from Chicago, right, he was from Chicago

433
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: When he played for the ball. It was kind of

434
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: like an incredible story. It was unbelievad It doesn't happen often. Man,

435
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: it sucks that injuries he's had. You know what, though,

436
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: give him credit. He's had an amazing second half of

437
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: his staying around because he's been good to last few years.

438
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he could have been. He's like

439
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: if I could. If there's one NBA player who I

440
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: wish never had an injury, it's probably Rose. I mean,

441
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: Grant Hill and Penny are in the convo too, But

442
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: before games I would listen to like these mashups of

443
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: like inspirational speaking and there's like one of Derek Rose

444
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: saying like, why cannot be MVP? Why can't I go

445
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: play for like my hometown, like, and I would listen

446
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: to him, he'd fire me up. So shout out Derek Rose.

447
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 1: He were so soft spoken too. Yeah, he was a

448
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: good pro around the league. This was the first season

449
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: of the Oklahoma City Thunder. They had a young KD

450
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: in Westbrook, and the good people of Seattle were deprived

451
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: of an awesome young team. Maybe KD doesn't leave if

452
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: he's in a city like Seattle. Good fish, good fish,

453
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: and Seattle is a good city. It just always cloudy.

454
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: It's depressing, it's a little I mean, that's where Grene

455
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: was invented. So yeah, you know those people aren't let's

456
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: just say the most happy people. Weird vibes. You've got grunge,

457
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: then you got frasier. It's a weird combo. Right, that's Seattle.

458
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: But uh, two thousand and nine, what were we doing.

459
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: I was in college still, I guess, Julian, you had

460
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: just been drafted by New England. I just got drafted

461
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: to New England. I was like in a whole different world. Yeah,

462
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: just changing positions, changing sceneries, being the big man on

463
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: campus to a slap dick rookie for the New England Patriots,

464
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: which were like the benchmark of that generation. How pumped

465
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: were you to be going to New England? I was

466
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: like legit bro I had so I was so fired up,

467
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: like I was having epiphanies that you know, Wes Welker

468
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: and me and the slot Randy Moss on the outside,

469
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: Joey Galloway Maroney in the back field. And it didn't

470
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: geel like that at all. I rode the pine and

471
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: became a special teamer for like a few years, and

472
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: you played your way in man. Yeah, that must have

473
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: been older Joey Galloway, right, old Joey Galloway still could

474
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: a run though. Oh dude, I remember Cowboys. Joey Galloway

475
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: keep a smile. Yeah, that was Those were some good receivers.

476
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: Smile speed they had. He they said he ran like

477
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: a four to two, Like there was like like old

478
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: folklore that he ran like four to one at the

479
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: Ohio State Pro Day and and he was like almost

480
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: forty and still running like four four. Damn it was.

481
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: It was fun. But uh yeah, but that's a stacked

482
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: receiving team to join. It was. That's why I didn't

483
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: think I was going to make the team, and that's

484
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: why I had to, you know, make myself versatile enough

485
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: where I could give enough value to the team to

486
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: not cut me. You know, return punts, cover kicks, and

487
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, be a good viable backup. So it was, uh,

488
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: it was definitely. It was a crazy time in my

489
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: life as far as just being hit with just where

490
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: am I? Yeah, you know what I mean, finally getting

491
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: to have your name called in the draft and you're

492
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: wearing a Patriots jersey. I mean putting that on the

493
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: first time must have been. I mean I used to

494
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: just stay in the locker room until like ten thirty

495
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: eleven and uh, you know, just marvel at my my

496
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: my helmet and my my jersey and the fact that

497
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: we got like free Gatorades and Kent State. You know,

498
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: we didn't have the budget, let's just say, of an

499
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: NFL football team and be at the facilities. It was

500
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: a it was a cool year. It was a cool year.

501
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: Who was the first of those receiving guys who was

502
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: the coolest to you, Sam Aikin, Uh, you know those

503
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: guys like Randy and and West and Joe. Those guys

504
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: were like the stars, you know, and I was kind

505
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: of a kid who was you know, I didn't know

506
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: to get into receiver stance. Bro. Yeah, and uh you know,

507
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: but Sam Aikins, he was a receiver that was you know,

508
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: special teams captain and he was kind of like an

509
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: older brother figure that like put his arm around me

510
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: and knew that I was all over the place mentally

511
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: because you know that they're evaluating you every day and stuff.

512
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: You have a bad practice, you think you're getting cut,

513
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: and you know, Sam, maybe you get your dream and

514
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: you're like, I could lose this in a in a second.

515
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: You know. That was that was a thing. You get drafted,

516
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: you hear your name and then you go to rookie

517
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: camp and you see that there's ninety guys and they're

518
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: only going to keep fifty three. You know, he started

519
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: playing numbers game. Am I going to be here? And

520
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: how many of them were the best dude on their

521
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: college team? It's like everyone was the best in their

522
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: college a high scho everyone was the best football player around. Yeah,

523
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, but it was it was a great start.

524
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: That was the start of it. Man. Awesome. Well, let's

525
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: get into this game. The Denver Nuggets head coach George

526
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: carl As we said, uh, fifty four and twenty eight

527
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: franchise is best record since is that nineteen eighty? Damn?

528
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: Who was on that eighty seventeen? Was that like Alex English?

529
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Those are those old jerseys were fucking nice. It was

530
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: like those were like those blue and yellow the rainbow.

531
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: Let me see that. Yeah, pull those up, the Alex

532
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: English Nuggets jerseys, the blue ones. Yeah, those are sweet.

533
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: Alex English was on this team. He was the number

534
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: one score of the nineteen eighties in the NBA. People

535
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: sleep on this, dude. I'm a fucking hoops Jones. You're

536
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: a hoops historian. You're hh. I love it, dude, all right.

537
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: So they were the number two seed in the West

538
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: behind the Lakers. I believe this is when they shipped

539
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Marcus Camby to the Clippers before the season. Camby was

540
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: a DPO why that guy was a fucking killer and

541
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: as a Nick was one of my favorite players. I

542
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: love Marcus Camby. They sent iverson to Detroit for Chauncey

543
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: Billups Antonio mcdce. I mean, Billups was the glue for

544
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: this tea. He was the missing piece on this team

545
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: because Iverson was great, but he was a little past

546
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: his prime. He was too similar to Carmelo. You know,

547
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: they're both scorers. You know, when you have two major scores,

548
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: you need someone to be able to delegate. And that's

549
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: what Chauncey did. He delegated. He was a floor general.

550
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: He was a general, such a good defender. Yeah, they

551
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: had Mellow Nanay who if you go to a Fogo chow,

552
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: the Brazilian steakhouse, you might see it in a Jersey.

553
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: The one in New York has when I know, uh,

554
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Brazilian's finest, Brazilian's finest dude, right after the pussy wax.

555
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: It's him and the vagina wax. And that's their claims.

556
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: The fames uh, Dante Jones, Duke, Chauncey Kmart coming off

557
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: the bench. They had my guy j R. Smith x

558
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: Nick six Man a year was great Birdman who didn't

559
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: love Birdman. He was a fun character. He was was

560
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: wrongfully accused of child pornography acquitted. Yeah, you don't hear

561
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: that often. That's so yeah, that's usually that's the sinking ship.

562
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: I think he was the first to get catfish. There's

563
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: a huge catfish story about him, right wasn't that what

564
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: that was about? Something like looking at the catfish. He

565
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: definitely got a cute. That's something you don't want to

566
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: be accused of, innocent or guilty, but if you're guilty,

567
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: you do deserve it. But he wasn't. This is a

568
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: fun team, great tattoo team. They all were tatted up,

569
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: mellow and Kmart had the head bands, the sleeves. Swag team. Yeah,

570
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: they were swaggy. They beat New Orleans four to one

571
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: to get to the Western Conference Finals after beating Dallas.

572
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: They beat Dallas, a good Dallas team. They beat Derrek

573
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: Kirk Yeah, and the Lakers head coach Phil Jackson records

574
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: sixty five and seventeen. Really good year killer. Coming off

575
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: a year where they lost to the Celtics in the

576
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, Andrew Bynum was back healthy. There was high

577
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: hopes for this team, expected to be a title contendered

578
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: top seed to the West. Had the best record of

579
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: the West all season. Their starters were Kobe Andrew Binam,

580
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Derek Fisher, Trevor Aresas he was lighting it up to

581
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: this he was lighting it up, dude. Nicks traded him

582
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: for a washed up Steve Francis and that was like

583
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: a heartbreaker because we all were like, oh shit, Oriza

584
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: is like a good defender. He can you know in

585
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: this game. You know, you see he can shoot the three,

586
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: and he's athletics. He dunked on someone too, he posterized

587
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: and they had pale Gasol. Yeah, Hall of Famer, I mean,

588
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: very good, very good basketball player. This season would mark

589
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: the Lakers' thirtieth NBA Final appearance. That's crazy, thirty thirty

590
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: finals appearing in grade fan base too. Just a bunch

591
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: of fucking ingrades. But they do have cool fans. I mean,

592
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: the stars were out tonight. Jack Nicholson was there, Macenroe,

593
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, Will Ferrell, John Cena, a lot of I

594
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: mean Nicholson was sitting next to his boy, Robert town

595
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: his former roommate, the guy who wrote Chinatown. Love seeing

596
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: them together. A lot of what the Lakers need. They need,

597
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: They need to get Jack back. He's too old to

598
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: put up with this horse shit. Does he know he's

599
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: got to be eighty five or eighty four. He doesn't

600
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: want to sit through this whatever this team is. Eighty

601
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: five eighty five five? Yeah, Nicholson maybe here, maybe the

602
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: coolest movie star in American history. Really and I mean,

603
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: he's up there, gotta be. He's so, he's so cool.

604
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: He's cool, he's funny, charming, he's the best. Yeah, this

605
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: was a This is a good jersey matchup too, those

606
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: those powder Blues versus the classic Laker yellows denver ended

607
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: the first half on a fourteen to two run. Billups

608
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: had this had that sick inbounds pass off Kobe's butt,

609
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: throws it off, his butt, grabs it, savvy play love

610
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: that shit. And this was kind of, as we said,

611
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: the kind of the Trevor Reza game. He dropped twenty.

612
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: He played amazing d The series of Lakers win one five,

613
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: one three. Mello had thirty nine, but Kobe had forty.

614
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: That matchup was prime Mello versus prime Kobe's to Kobe

615
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: thing too. He got thirty nine, I'm getting forty, so true.

616
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: Game two, the Nuggets won one O six one oh

617
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: three Game oh. Game two, rather game three, the nugget

618
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Lakers win one O three ninety seven. Game four the

619
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Nuggets win it with a two two series. The Lakers

620
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: won Game five. In Game six, the storylines were Kobe

621
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: versus Mellow. Could the Nuggets get over the hump, and

622
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, Denver broke a record streak with their game

623
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: to win their first playoff win against the Lakers since

624
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five and coming to the Western Conference finals,

625
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: Mello is bawling out. You know a lot of he

626
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: gets a lot of shit for not being like a

627
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: playoff performer. When you put a team around him, he

628
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Speaker 1: was pretty damn scary. He could not not score. It

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Speaker 1: was unreal just watching him shoot threes, mid range. He

630
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Speaker 1: could take it to the rim. He was everything. Man,

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00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: he was. It was a fun matchup to watch because

632
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: you know Kobe being you know what was his an

633
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: eighth year in the league at this time, goes on team.

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00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it was his two thousand and nine, Yeah,

635
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: thousand and six. Yeah, yeah, he'd been there a mina.

636
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 1: He's been there a minute. And then you got the

637
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: young gun, you know what, was mellow in his third season, third, fourth, fifth.

638
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: He was young. He was young. He was in his prime.

639
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: This was his prime. This was Kobe. I mean, Kobe's

640
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: prime was just so long. But yeah, you're right, that's

641
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: what we forget about that Kobe had like he had

642
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: rivalries with guys like Iverson and t Mac and then

643
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: he had rivalries with Lebron and Mellow in the next generation.

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00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: So it's a testament to Kobe's longevity. This is This

645
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: is Kobe podcast. We just talked about Kobe all the time.

646
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: But you know what, it's it's hard not to get

647
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: caught into Kobe like rabbit hole, Like I'll be on

648
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: Instagram and I just can't not watch his clips and

649
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: there's so many tributes and he was he was incredible

650
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: generational player. I mean that's he's one of the goats.

651
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: And all the young guys revere him. You see what

652
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: the way Tatum talks about the way Devin Booker talks

653
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: about him like he he was that dude, Dwayne Wade

654
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: talks about him, all of them. Mentality Mamba, mentality baby.

655
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Speaker 1: And let's get to the gaming Corner presented by I

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Speaker 1: Win Bet. What's the prop bet gonna be on this one?

657
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: How many times we can say k Matt k ma

658
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Speaker 1: mat kmart. Yeah, it's gotta be something. What can we do? Uh?

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Speaker 1: What's it? M You'll have the insides of this one.

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00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: It's a tough one. Yeah, I mean I I remember

661
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: when they beat the Knicks, they swept the Knicks, and

662
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: I had to quit smoking weed. I had like two

663
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: really bad basketball related highs. One was in the USA

664
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: lost to Puerto Rico, and the other one was one Yeah,

665
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: fucking Carlos or Royo couldn't miss a fucking shot. Uh

666
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: USA lost, And then the Knicks got swept and Kmart

667
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: lit us up. Jason kitten Kmar just throwing alley oops

668
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: all the Kmart in his prime was a fucking gazelle. Dude.

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00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: He could jump, He could jump out of the fucking arena.

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Speaker 1: What yeah? What is the k Mart? How many times

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Speaker 1: we could say Rocky Mountain High? Did you ever get

672
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain High? Yeah? That was the altitude you get

673
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: drunk in that city quickly, two or three beers in Denver?

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00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: You feel that shit? Yeah? I never, I never. I

675
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: don't think I've really gone out in Denver like that

676
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: great city. All right, we got to think of a

677
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: good one. J R. Smith? Maybe? Yeah? How many times

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Speaker 1: can you remember when JR. Smith DM de girl and

679
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: it got screenshot and he just wrote to her, you're

680
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: trying to get the pipe and that became Nick's shirts.

681
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Knicks fans of wear shirts saying you're trying to get

682
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: the pipe. Let's let's see how many times we can

683
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: ask him if he's ever talked to jar about trying

684
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: to get the pipe? I like it. What do we think?

685
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: How many times? I mean you can only ask him

686
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: maybe twice? One five? All right, we got to find something.

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00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: But all right, we're going to be joined by Kenya

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Speaker 1: Martin after this break. Well, Kenya, thanks so much for

689
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: joining us. Man, this is a it's a privilege to

690
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: have you on. I'm a Knicks fan, so that that

691
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: year you gave us meant a lot to me. A

692
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: great career, new jersey nets at the end, the Clippers

693
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: and the Bucks. But we're talking about the Nuggets today,

694
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: which was I think one of the all time cool

695
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: NBA teams. And we had you, we had mellow Billups Jr.

696
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: Bird Man, just a fun group of guys. Is right

697
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: after you guys lost Camby but you know obviously a

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00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bearcat. Great your numbers hanging the rafters that you

699
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: see and thanks for joining us today, man, no problem. Man,

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00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: appreciate having me. What do you what are you doing

701
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: these days? Post retirement? Post retirement man? Family stuff mostly Man,

702
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm a father of six from twenty one to four. Yeah,

703
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: keeping me busy that regard business things, man, Just staying

704
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: out of harm's way for the most part, just enjoint

705
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: but most in Portland, joint retirement. That's that's that's that's

706
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing, man. Just not not having

707
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: mandatory things to do besides be a dad. So that's

708
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm feeling that, Well, that's not mandatory either. There's some

709
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: a lot of dead beats out there, but oh yeah,

710
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: definitely a lot of definitely a lot of dead beats

711
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: out there. But no, I tried definitely not to fall

712
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: in that category. No. I mean, just the way you play,

713
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: there's not a chance you could be a dead beat.

714
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: You were a badass in the court. You're probably Its

715
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: funny I saw you take a hit from that pen

716
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: earlier because I think you're a big reason I had

717
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: to quit smoking pot because I had a really bad

718
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: high when you guys swept the knicks. I think you

719
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: injured Tim Thomas and I was like, I can't handle

720
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: that's not See, that's the narrative out there. It wasn't me.

721
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: It was Jason Collins. Listen, let's get it straight. I

722
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: ain't read, but we can go look at the field.

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00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't me, but I got I got called out

724
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, Yeah, but definitely swept

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00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: the man in Game four, Yeah yeah, I put Yeah,

726
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: I put foot to ask in game before in the guard.

727
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: It hurt. And I remember Tim Thomas was like, I

728
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: want to I want to box Kenyan Martin, and even

729
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: as the Knicks fan, I was like, dude, do not

730
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: challenge Kenyan Martin to a fight that is not gonna end. Well, yeah, man,

731
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm all that box is missing. Man. I'm just like

732
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: we was there to play basketball, man, and it just

733
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: it got taken to a point that you know, hey,

734
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: Missen whatever, I got a question. You ever do you

735
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: ever hurt your goddamn shoulder after dunking on someone and

736
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: giving one of the arm the arm things in mid

737
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: air used to get I'm paying for it now. Yeah,

738
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: like both of them, Jack, both of them jacked up

739
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: like this. I think I need to go see somebody.

740
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I don't just I don't know what

741
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: made me start swinging off of it, man, I just

742
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: just enthusiasm, Like I guess it's the same as I'm

743
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: saying you was going under this spike in the BA, all,

744
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: I guess you know what I'm saying. I guess that's

745
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: the I'm saying the equivalent, like, I guess it's one

746
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: of them, man. And then it got to a point

747
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: where I got really good at it, and I start

748
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: timing the ball coming out the neck like when I

749
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: dunk it. I start timing and I could hit the

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00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: ball come out the neck. So I started, Yeah, so

751
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: it was. And then I started doing some ignorant stuff.

752
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: I started trying to hit the reff with the ball

753
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: because I like certain riffs. And but yeah, you were

754
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: such a tough guy. I mean, it was undeniable that

755
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: you you backed it up. Do you look at are

756
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: you one of those guys that looks at the modern

757
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: guys no matter who they are soft or there are

758
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: there guys right now that you're like, he's a tough guy.

759
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: Is Draymond a tough guy? Draymond plays hard? I was

760
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: in this NBA Draymond is considered a tough guy. Yes, absolutely,

761
00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: in your NBA He's not like not necessarily they he

762
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: like Draymond play as hard as they as you can

763
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: possibly play all the time, and sometimes that getting misconstrued,

764
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: as you've been a tough guy or or a dirty

765
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: player or something like in that regard. But in my opinion,

766
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: like tough guy, I am saying you had to necessarily

767
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: get in a fight on on floor in game, but

768
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: that was part of it, Like for the for the

769
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: world to see you fight somebody like that, that that

770
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: put that image in people's head and not just hearing

771
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: about it, but when you see it, you know what

772
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like they give people that that notion like, man,

773
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: he'll take it right there with you. So I look

774
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: at guys in that regard like and it was a

775
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: lot of them, guys in the eighties and early nineties.

776
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: Oakley would fight you. Oakley is a dude. I'm like,

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00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone wanted a piece of that. Yeah, yeah,

778
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Like I'm I'm glad me and oak never like,

779
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: we wasn't around at the same time. Who were dudes

780
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: that you were? Oh sorry, were there any dudes that

781
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: you were like? No, not at all, No one, No

782
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: one intimidated you. No, no. Now did this mentality point

783
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: where did this mentality come from? Did it come from

784
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: Bob Higgins or Huggins? And in a uc over in

785
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: the natty or not. This is just where you grew

786
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: up with Cincinnati at eighteen. Yeah, just from Old Cliffe, Texas. Man,

787
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: Old Cliff Texas, Oldcliffe, Texas. So I don't ask anybody

788
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: around Dallas where Old Cliff is. Man. It's like like

789
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman went to Old Cliff High, Like that's South

790
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: Oakcliff High is where you went to high school. I'm

791
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: from pretty much the same area as Dennis is from.

792
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: We grew up a little different. Dennis Path was a

793
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: little different. A lot of guys that's from Dallas, but

794
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys that's from Dallas that played

795
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: the NBA from Cliff like where I'm from. So I

796
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: brought I took mine to Cincinnati with me, Like I

797
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: had a fight with the starting center on the team

798
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: my freshman year. I'm a freshman, heir senior, Like I

799
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: put hands on it my freshman year. So it wasn't

800
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: like nah, I brought mine with me. It wasn't. It wasn't.

801
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I went backing down from nobody, and I

802
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: went back and down. Is anyone in today's NBA a

803
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: tough guy to you? Or no? You have guys that

804
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: play hard like people think Jimmy Butler is a tough

805
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: guy because Jimmy play is extremely hard, Like, I don't.

806
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: There's a few guys like the Morris Twins people look

807
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: at it's probably tough guys outside of them. Two, Uh,

808
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: it's James Johnson is still around the guy that you

809
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: know jiu jitsu. Yeah, yeah he won't. Yeah he won't

810
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: issues like he won't fucking problems with people like and

811
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: like like you can't have issues and won't know that

812
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: ship it won't and won't problems like it just don't

813
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: like you looking to go cause problem with people like

814
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: other than them? Three guys, Nah, who do you like watching? Now?

815
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: Who are players that you enjoy? Jannie, Yes, I like

816
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: watching Giannis play man, I'm I watched I like Steph Curry.

817
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: I actually I like Golden State's team. I love watching

818
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: them play outside of my own child like I'm I'm

819
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm a big time kJ fan, Like I'm I like

820
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: watching kJ play basketball. I'm biased, but I like watching

821
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: him play. I like Jimmy, but I like the way

822
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: he approached the game. Uh. I like a few dudes

823
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: skill set, Like, I think a few dudes are really

824
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: really good. I think Joki is really good. I think

825
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray is really good. I think Kawhi and Paul

826
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: George are really talented. I like Chris Middleton. I like

827
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: his growth and development because I was there, I was

828
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: around him early. I like those guys. Yeah, it's not

829
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: a I don't. I don't watch a whole lot of

830
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: teams play because I can only stand to watch very

831
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: minimal bad basketball, and I'm forced to and and by default,

832
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm forced to watch the Houston Rockets play. So that's

833
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: my bad. That's enough. Fucking bad basketball will last me

834
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: listen a lifetime, so I have to watch them. But

835
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: but now, yeah, man, I just like watching guys who

836
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: do it the right way, who play the game the

837
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: right way. Man. That's why I love watching the Golden

838
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: State Warriors played, man, because they just they played the

839
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: game the right way. Well, you, your son is on

840
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: a rebuilding team in Houston. You coming to the league,

841
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: You're on a good team already. I mean, what's the

842
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: difference is I mean, you're playing with Jason Kidd as

843
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: a baby, right, well, yes, and no, like my rookie year,

844
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: we won twenty six games. My rookie year, Jay Kidd

845
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I had Stephan and you got kid the

846
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: next year. So we won. Yeah, we won twenty six games.

847
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: Traded for Steph the next year. We want fifty two.

848
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: So when Jay Kidd came, I was twenty three years old. Ohow,

849
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I wouldn't. I was.

850
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: I was? I was, I was. I was a grown

851
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: man basically, you know what I'm saying. Wait, I got

852
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: a quick question that you just talked about. You grew

853
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: up in Oakcliffe, Texas. I actually when I was twelve

854
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: years old, I played a super Bowl in Florida against Oakcliffe,

855
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: Texas Redskins. Okay, did you ever play football growing up?

856
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: Because that was a good football area. Yeah, the Redskins

857
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: and the comments I played for the Cedar Crest comments

858
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: and the Redskins were they were Yeah, absolutely so yeah,

859
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: so you get that played up my sophomore year. That's dude.

860
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: I always watch you taking these alley oops and just

861
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: dunking on fools, and I just think to myself, you

862
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: could have been an unbelievable tight end or a receiver,

863
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: red area target. Just throw it in. I played tight

864
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: end up to my sophomore year in high school. Man, Like,

865
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: my last year playing football is my sophomo year in

866
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: high school. See, that's that's why he was so tough

867
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: and hard because he played football. You had that football

868
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: in your bloodline when you when you grew up in Texas. Well,

869
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: they love that stuff. Man. You have to look like

870
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: like like you have to man, Like I broke my

871
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: wrist when I was twelve playing football like stiff throwing.

872
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: The guy tried to break my fall. He pushed me.

873
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: I tried to Yeah all that. Yeah, my my sophomore year,

874
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: I ran a four six forty. Man, damn Like I

875
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: was six six seven. I ran a four six forty

876
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: so I was yeah, yeah, catch everything like tough, like

877
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: play defensive end on defense, It's like, yeah, I couldn't

878
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: imagine trying to block him. He is a fast defensive end.

879
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: Now take us back to two thousand and nine when

880
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: you're with the Nuggets. What was your life like in

881
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine at the beginning of the season

882
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: before everything goes down, you guys make it to the

883
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: playoffs and play what you guys did? What was going on?

884
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: Could you guys feel you guys had a team that

885
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: was going to be able to contend. Yeah, I think so, man,

886
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: I really think so. I think just us having Chauncey

887
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: there man and him settling things for us. What was

888
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: that iverson trade? Like, were you guys bump to see Allen?

889
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: Were you pumped to get Chauncey? What was the vibe? Yeah, no,

890
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: we were. When Ai was there. It was probably some

891
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: of the funnest times I had as a prof the floor.

892
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: But having him and Mellow it wasn't gonna work basketball wise,

893
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: and with the coach that we had, so it was

894
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: multi layer. What's some of that fun off the court

895
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: you guys had? It was like the Beatles on the

896
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: fucking road, man like, because we all had like our

897
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: own following of course. But I was watching Dion's sixty

898
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: minutes interview and the coach and somebody asks him, I've

899
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: been around stars before, but I ain't ever been around

900
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: a superstar like we were stars here, a superstar like

901
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: Ai superstar, like he a rock star. So having that

902
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: kind of a following, man, and and we're out there

903
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: winning and just some of the late night card games

904
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: and playing rides and going to gambling casino with him

905
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: and just like just seeing seeing the love that he

906
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: gets what was what was everybody? What was the casino

907
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: like with iverson? What? What's his game? What are you

908
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: guys playing together? Are the women circling the whole table? Uh,

909
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: he's he's he's playing big money as we like. I've

910
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: I've seeing him fluctuate him be up like one hundred

911
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: and fifty. I leave, go do something, come back, he

912
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: down two hundred, then get back up one hundred. So

913
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: he playing black jack, man, and he playing big hands,

914
00:50:53,080 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: like big big hands and playing two hands as well. Man. Yeah, yeah,

915
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: but I like our card games on the plane were

916
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: like like legendary, like not to them numbers at times,

917
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: but but the consistency of it being twenty five thirty,

918
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars pots, fifty thousand dollars pots, like it's

919
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: regular like and you have to have a certain amount

920
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: of money to get on the plane to play. Are

921
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: there certain guys that are trying to play with you? Guys,

922
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, you're on a ten day contract. Get

923
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. Oh yeah, no, we won't

924
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: let you play. No, certain certain guys. Now, if you

925
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: if we think you're trying to quit liquors or you're

926
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: trying to just come in for one flight and all this.

927
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: No you if you play, you play. There's no hitt

928
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: an quit you ain't ain't none of that shit going

929
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: on with us, Like we ain't win' allowed none of that.

930
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: Like we we the same four or five guys like them,

931
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: was I car Budd And we knew like somebody might

932
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: play for a little while and if they started losing,

933
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: if they if they had a bad four game road

934
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: trip and they they might not play the fifth like

935
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: they might not play for a while. So we so

936
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: we had a few guys that was like that, and

937
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: we knew that about them. But for the most part,

938
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: now we wasn't let just anybody play now was it

939
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: was it liar's poker, That's what That's what we used

940
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: to play a lot of We played a lot of

941
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: people play like some yeah, some some teams they play

942
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: guts and ship like that. But I don't like guts.

943
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: Ain't no thinking to it. Ain't no, ain't no, ain't

944
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: no thought process to guts any tonks. Early on my

945
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: next days, you know, we played talk with Rod Thorn,

946
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: like Rod Throne is the president gym. So Rod played

947
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: with us man that was that was a great experience

948
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: earlier having him, like getting to know him and getting

949
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: to know his competitive nature as a front office guy,

950
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like that was dope. Now having him there

951
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: like that was that was dope. Now what I'm saying

952
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: throughout my Denver days, my Mick days, Clippers, Yeah we

953
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: play we played by all right, So let's get back

954
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: into the Denver Nuggets. You guys get Chauncey the year

955
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: before you get what you get swept by the Lakers,

956
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Mello is like, I

957
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: want to guard Kobe. What were your thoughts going into that? No, hey,

958
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: let him do it. Hey, it's a collective effort, man.

959
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: It ain't just gonna be one guy. Like we all

960
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: know that. Like we we we've been there. We know

961
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: what's what what Bean was capable of doing. So it's like, Okay,

962
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: Melo gonna have this turn. I'm gonna get something, Jarr

963
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: gonna get something, Dante gonna get some. Chon's is gonna

964
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: get something, like we always and gonna do the best

965
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: job we possibly can do. You know what I'm saying,

966
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 1: make make each each possession tough, Like I'm all about

967
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: making each possession tough as possible, man, no matter what

968
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: it is. And now going up against greatness. So and

969
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: we knew that, and we knew his competitive nature, man,

970
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: so we just trying to meet that. Was he the

971
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: greatest you ever went against? You think? I mean you

972
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: went against a lot of amazing assignments. I mean you

973
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: guarded Tim Duncan, you went against Kobe. I mean who

974
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: is the hardest. Yeah. I think Kobe and Tim Duncan

975
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: are arguably in anybody's top five NBA players of all time.

976
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: At least it would have to be so definitely top ten,

977
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: but a lot of people top five. So yeah, Now,

978
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: just having knowing what he is and knowing what he

979
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: is about brings the best out of you. It brings

980
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: the best out of a competitive nature, bring the best

981
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: out of your game. And going against Tim Duncan as well. Man,

982
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I think Tim Duncan made me get better, made me

983
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: become a better basketball player, made me become a a

984
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: deeper thinker when it comes to the game. And man, Kobe,

985
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: but most of my matchups with team like I had

986
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: to I had to dig deep in my thought process,

987
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, in my thought bag to try to how

988
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: to riddle how to figure that out because he couldn't.

989
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: He always played at the same speed. So yo, yeah, yeah,

990
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: but them guys, man, like what I'm saying, they brought

991
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: it out of us. But wait, oh nine man, we

992
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: made it to the Western Cooms finals. We had a chance,

993
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: man like, we had a chance like, well, yeah, we

994
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: had a chance to get them. Boards did that narrative

995
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: of that the the Nuggets couldn't beat the Lakers in

996
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Did that seep into the locker room at

997
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: all or did you guys say fuck that this is

998
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna do this. Well, we never talked

999
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: about it as a group. I don't know if some

1000
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: guys paid attention to it, but I didn't fear nobody,

1001
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: man like, they had that number for a little while.

1002
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: But we were in the position to get them. So

1003
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't wasn't no if anybody had that thought process

1004
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: that we we can't beat this team, that I don't

1005
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: want you around you know what I'm saying. But we

1006
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: knew we had what we had in the locker room.

1007
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: We knew what we was gonna be, man, and it

1008
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: was it was special. It was special. Who is talking

1009
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: to you during this game, like, did any players get

1010
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: in your year? Was mellow? Vocal? Was Chauncey kind of

1011
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: an emotional leader? Were you leading people like? Was anyone

1012
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: kind of keeping the morale up? Because this is a

1013
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: team with a chip on his shoulder, this Lakers team

1014
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: coming off losing the Boston the finals. You know how

1015
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: much Kobe wants this. Who was the motivator in the

1016
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: locker room? I always did. I've always been that kind

1017
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: of a basketball player within on the bench, in the

1018
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: locker room, I've always been that guy to where I'm

1019
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: going to voice whatever negative or positive, I'm all in.

1020
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: And having a voice like Chauncey there was was very

1021
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying, helpful, relaxing because he's been there, you know

1022
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: for a lot of the guys that had been on

1023
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: that stage yet. And he beat Kobe. Yeah, so for

1024
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: me and him, yeah yeah. And and it beat the

1025
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: Lakers already, so he knew how to go about it.

1026
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's just experience with some guys. Bad situational

1027
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: basketball by us, bad coaching, it was. There's enough blame

1028
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: to go around. Did you hate playing for George Carl

1029
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: because I've heard you say that before. Oh, Yeah, No,

1030
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand it, man, Like, it's just just bad,

1031
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: just coaching one aspect of the game, man does it

1032
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make you a great basketball coach. He has a

1033
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: lot of wins, been blessed with talent over the years.

1034
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: But no, I'm not a big George Carl fan, not

1035
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: at all. Was that was that tough playing for a guy?

1036
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: And you see Phil Jackson on the other end, You're like,

1037
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: this is guy's considered one of the great coaches ever?

1038
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: Was not? Was it just you who felt this way?

1039
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 1: Or do you think all the guys like this guy sucks? Yeah,

1040
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot of guys felt that way. But ain't nobody

1041
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: gonna say it. Ain't nobody gonna challenge him what I'm saying,

1042
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, certain guys that would and certain like this.

1043
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: I think we made it as far as we did

1044
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: because of Chancey. Like in Situational Basketball, Chancey told George

1045
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: I got this, so basically, sit your ass down and

1046
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: don't fuck this up, like I got this, Like that's

1047
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: who Big Shall was, Like that's just who he was,

1048
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: Like he had earned that right when those moments and

1049
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: big moments, close games and all that, Like you don't

1050
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: need to coach this right now, I got this. The

1051
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: only thing we need you to do during time mouse

1052
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: is drop a play like everything else I got. So

1053
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: then that was that. That was That was the like

1054
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: he he like I said, he calmed things down, and

1055
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: he knew when to get other guys involved, when to

1056
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: get his shot, when we need to lean o Mellow.

1057
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: If Mellow had it going distribute the ball, he gonna

1058
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: get here. So that was that was part of being

1059
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: the leader, you know what I'm saying. That's why we

1060
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: got as far as we did, man, because we had him. Now,

1061
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: you guys are playing in Staples. You guys are battling

1062
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: you guys. You guys pretty much hold Kobe pretty well

1063
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: throughout the game. What's it feel like to play in

1064
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: the Staples Center, play the villain and and win this game?

1065
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: Like did you guys going into this? You guys are like, hey,

1066
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: what was it? What was the series at? They were?

1067
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: I think you were down two to one, two to one,

1068
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: it was one zero zero. Well, also to go along

1069
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: with Julian saying Nichols, Jack, Nicholson's there, Tom Cruise is

1070
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: there all these do you do? You look over and

1071
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: the party you like, fuck you Nicholson, I'm about to

1072
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: throw it down. No, it's however, many people at see

1073
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: if you ain't cheering for up, then it's fuck everybody,

1074
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: man Like. That's just that's the way we're approaching That's

1075
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: damn sure the way I approached it, like I didn't

1076
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: I want to shut everybody up, like, And we had

1077
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that fit that had that same

1078
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: that same thought process, man like, like, we want to

1079
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: shut you all up in there. I loved that. We

1080
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: knew we had a shot. That was one of my

1081
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: favorite things, villain. Yeah, when you go up, absolutely the

1082
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: crowd's going crazy. It's third and fucking ten. You get

1083
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: a fourteen yard completion of the silence of the Wold stadium.

1084
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you live for as an athlete,

1085
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: if you're a real tough guy. Right, Oh, that's what

1086
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: you used to do, you know that's what Hey, that

1087
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: was your thing. Hey, them big third down completions and

1088
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: big big red zone catches and plays and end the

1089
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: rounds and all that. Like, yeah, I'm with you, and

1090
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: then they might let you go out there and throw

1091
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: you on you know what I'm saying. So I had

1092
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: to campaign for that for fucking eight years before Bill

1093
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: let me do it. It was fucking bullshit. I'm with you,

1094
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm against my coach. Hey, hey, he told you we

1095
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: brought you here to fucking catch passes. We got a

1096
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: pass through it. God damnit. Listen, I'll let you know

1097
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: if I need your services. That's exactly what he said.

1098
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said. Now, you guys win the game,

1099
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: but you lose the series. Is there anything that you

1100
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: wish you guys would have done differently in two thousand

1101
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: and nine to keep that bad boy going? Yeah? Man,

1102
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: it's two out of bounds plays, man, Like two out

1103
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: of bounds plays. We should have had the world withal

1104
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: to run something different. Because it happened the first game.

1105
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: We threw it away. Anthony Carter threw it away because

1106
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: they took the same they took our out of bound

1107
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: side out of bounds play away. Had a bad turnover

1108
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: that incident. Next game, I think I threw it away

1109
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: in the same situation or or or a similar situation

1110
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: because they knew, like I sighed, out of bounds was horseshit.

1111
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: Situational basketball. Lose your time score situation, time score situation.

1112
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: I'll know it I'm saying, you know it, Jules, it's

1113
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: all two minutes. I'm saying, So you got a four

1114
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: minute drill, you got a two minute drill. You got it.

1115
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: You got no time outs, one time out, all that shit.

1116
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: You know how it is. So you played with Mellow

1117
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: here in the Nuggets. You played with him again on

1118
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: the next That was a really fun next team. You know,

1119
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: I remember when they signed you. I was like, holy shit,

1120
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: Kmart can still jump, he can still get blocks, Like

1121
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: he's still he still totally had it. And uh, did

1122
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: you have a good relationship with Carmelo You felt, Yeah,

1123
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: that's my young man man, like he was. I came in,

1124
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: Mellow was in the second year. I'm saying, he was

1125
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: still a kid. So yeah, we always had a dope relationship.

1126
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of winning together, man. We kicked a

1127
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: lot of ass together, a few heartaches together, you know

1128
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we know what it is. I'm saying,

1129
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: I think we Yeah, we dire's some special things. Man.

1130
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: I witness a witness greatness right in front of me.

1131
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: Some of the one of the purest scores that I've

1132
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: of the basketball that I've ever seen. Man score effeless.

1133
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: I've seen him grow up right before my very eyes.

1134
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: I've seen him become a man, seen him go own

1135
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: New York try to do things there was able to

1136
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: join him over there. You know, it's I look at

1137
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: Mellow in a different light than a lot of people.

1138
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people look at Mellow at selfish,

1139
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,959
Speaker 1: A lot of people look at him. It's not a winner.

1140
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of people look at him and

1141
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: all like different various things. Is hint to Whyle. He

1142
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: probably don't have a job right now. A lot of

1143
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: people the outside don't know the inside though. That's that's

1144
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: outside noise. But how cool is yeah? Yeah, you know,

1145
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: can I ask you to go along with that? Because

1146
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting. I mean, do you think

1147
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: that Russell Westbrook is getting kind of an unfair treatment

1148
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: right now? Because I feel like he's been the butt

1149
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 1: of every negative common with the Lakers. Meanwhile, their front

1150
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: office has done a dog shit job. Who in they

1151
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: right mind? Thout Hi and Rob plincoa was a good

1152
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: fucking decision in the first place. Just be honest, man,

1153
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: the man was an agent. Like that shit is wild

1154
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: to me. Like just because you can go and get

1155
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: a guy to sign with you as an agent. Don't

1156
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: necessarily mean you can put a fucking team together? Man?

1157
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: Does it make you man feel the criticism that Russell's

1158
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: getting right now as a former player, you kind of

1159
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: like what's going on? Yeah? No, I think it's a

1160
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: crock of shit, to be honest with you. It's just

1161
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: like just a social media aspect of it. But Russ

1162
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: doesn't make it easy on people going out there and

1163
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: going oh for eleven and shit like that. Like he

1164
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: don't make it easy, true, well hard on him. He

1165
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: don't make it hard on him. Rather so he don't

1166
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: make it hard on He makes it easy for them

1167
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: to have ammunition at times. But it's just like it's

1168
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: that power on shit man, which is unfortunate for what

1169
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: he's done done for the game, the first ballot Hall

1170
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: of Famer man, Like, how can like we go through

1171
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: things that athletes like you have up, you have downs,

1172
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: you have good games, you have bad games, like and

1173
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: the people who criticize couldn't do a percent of what

1174
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: this man has accomplished. Yeah, that's that's why I keep

1175
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: my mouth shut because I couldn't and he and he

1176
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: does a good job at basically saying fuck him, like

1177
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: because it could it definitely probably when when it's affecting

1178
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: your family, it's going to affect you. Because he can't

1179
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: tell me that it's not affecting him because it's affecting

1180
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: his family. So he has to hear when he get home,

1181
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: his wife has to deal with his kids, has to

1182
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: deal with it. It's unfortunate air regard because it's sports.

1183
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: It shouldn't shouldn't translate to your home life in their regard.

1184
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate a regard, but the sport man. I

1185
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: think he'll bounced out of it, whether it's with the

1186
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: Lakers or if they make a move or whatever. He

1187
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: loves to compete man, so he I think he'll get

1188
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: the last laugh. How's how's j R. Smith as a teammate,

1189
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: Joe's cool. Man. I understand my teammates, man, I understand

1190
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: who they are. I understand what they're about. I don't.

1191
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't put too much and own it,

1192
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I'm I'm I'm to mind

1193
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: my business kind of a teammate. If I fool Witch,

1194
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: I fool Wich and we can go out, we can

1195
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: hang out. But I'm a I'm a mind my business

1196
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: kind of a guy. If it don't affect me directly,

1197
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: I I don't. I ain't got nothing to do with it.

1198
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: But nah, I understood y'all. Like I was shockingly surprised

1199
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: how actually good Jerall was a basketball I thought he

1200
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: was just an athlete. When I got on the team winner,

1201
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: I thought he was just an athlete like that boy

1202
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: could listen. I'm like, yo, he can play like some

1203
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: of the ship he used to do in practice, or

1204
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: he used to put on exhibition in practice, like scoring

1205
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: exhibitions in practice. All right, So yeah, Nah, he was

1206
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: a better He was a well rounded. He was a

1207
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: better basketball player. And I thought before he got with us,

1208
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: but he definitely helped us man in a lot of ways.

1209
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: And like, and I just keep going back to I know,

1210
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm beating the dead horse. If JR,

1211
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: if we had different coaching, if JR had different coaching,

1212
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: things be different. Yeah, what's his popcorn story? I'm saying yes,

1213
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: and not so April fools. As we know, we get

1214
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: four random drug tests in the league. We we used to.

1215
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: They test for everything. They tested for weeds, so we

1216
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: it's not it's documented that Jr. Partakes in the You

1217
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So it's not like I'm telling

1218
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: the people something they don't know. So I guy's name.

1219
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,959
Speaker 1: So I had the trainer put guy's name on the board,

1220
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: saying there was a piss test. Right, it's April. It's

1221
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: late in the season. Guys that's on their third test.

1222
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: They bob to think it's gonna be their fourth. So

1223
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: I put guy's name on the board. I put like

1224
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: six names on the board a few games. Guys who

1225
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: I knew that smoked, Guys I knew that didn't smoke.

1226
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: So just a mixture of guys. So they come in

1227
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: see their name on the board, and they hype the

1228
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: guys that partake, like, oh shit, I'm a fourth fist.

1229
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: So we go out for shooting around. Come back, ain't

1230
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 1: no names on the board. It's April. Foods on the board,

1231
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: high high high ki key, no harm, no foul, So

1232
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: I thought, so we got a game that night. I

1233
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: leave my car key in my locker. I don't play

1234
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: that night for the me was probably about the something

1235
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't shut up. I'm in the suit. So the

1236
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: game over team bring it in. I'm the first one

1237
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: out of the locker room because I didn't play. I

1238
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: go get my car. I hit the lock. They don't unlocked.

1239
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: I hit go open the door. Popcorn and shit fall out.

1240
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: I leave a door open. I go right back in

1241
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: the building. And I threatened everybody in the organization life. God, listen,

1242
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: I need to I need to find out who did it.

1243
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you got it. You on the clock, damnit, listen.

1244
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: I need it's a camera outside the locker room. I

1245
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: need to know who's in here doing the game. So

1246
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: they saw who was in here doing the game, they

1247
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: went and questioning him, and and he spilled the fucking

1248
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: beans right away. He said who put him up? He

1249
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: said who put him up to was a ball boy

1250
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: like he said, they'll put him up to it, and

1251
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: a liz He paid him and did all this. So yeah,

1252
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: so I threatened his life, j our life, and yeah,

1253
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: and everybody else. Castle and Brady were getting into it

1254
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: with pranks one year and they did the same thing.

1255
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes the team team, though, Like

1256
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: you gotta have some of that bullshit prank shit. Of

1257
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: course you were probably pissed me. Yeah, but some people. Yeah,

1258
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 1: but you know, I wasn't that kind of a key

1259
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: key guy, Like the April Fool's thing, the names on

1260
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: the board, that's one thing, Like you do something like that. Okay,

1261
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm a I thought it was high. Yeah, but everybody

1262
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: in the organization was like, of all people, you can

1263
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: do that too, Like j why you pick him? Like, yeah,

1264
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that roster. You're my last pick on

1265
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: that roster. Who I would do that too? Yeah? Like

1266
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: why him? All people? You know how he is, but

1267
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: you know I want to Yeah, if I could have

1268
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: got JR address that night, I would have did some

1269
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: stupid problem. We loved in New York. I mean we're all,

1270
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, Knicks fans love j R. Smith. He was

1271
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: a sixth Man of the Year here. He was great.

1272
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: I do remember when the the d M went viral

1273
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: of of j R. Asking a woman if she's trying

1274
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: to get the pipe? Do you remember that good or

1275
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: bad pickup line? Listen, man, hey, because he is describing

1276
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: his penis is a pipe. Sounds pretty big? Hey? Are

1277
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: you straight? Are you straight to the point? Hey, listen,

1278
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: she's gonna accept that she ain't. Yeah, are you a

1279
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: skyline chili guy? Or oh no, I need it one.

1280
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that ship. I don't get it either.

1281
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: I think I don't understand nuts. That ship is oh

1282
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: and it's sweet. And they put the ship over Spaghetti's sweet.

1283
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: All no, thank you for four years and we were

1284
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: like we had sponsorship up with them and all that

1285
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: they used to bring that ship to the games and

1286
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: all that. I'm like, no, no, no, before we get

1287
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: out of here, it's not it's not gonna happen. I

1288
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: gotta ask you, are there any Kobe stories you remember

1289
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: that are like maybe funny, or any any moments with

1290
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: Kobe that like stand out to you. Actually, my first

1291
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: time ever seeing it, I wasn't into big into the

1292
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: the like high school rankings and all that. I mean,

1293
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: I just played basketball, like I lucked up and got

1294
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: an AAU team I had to cut. I caught a

1295
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: greyhound bus from Dallas to Newark to go to ABCD camp.

1296
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: Took me like twenty two hours on a greyhound to

1297
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: get there. And at that camp, all the names over there,

1298
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: like I didn't know nothing about these camps, so I

1299
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: was able to get an invitation to go there, and

1300
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: people like just falling this dude around like it's like

1301
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: a big deal. I'm like, yo, what who is that?

1302
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: Or what? Like? Why is everybody like that's the number

1303
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: one playing y'all class? I'm like what class y'all talking about? Man?

1304
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: Like because they was making us go sit in these

1305
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: sat classes and certain prepl I'm like like, oh, he

1306
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: good at school. I'm I'm like naive to this ship,

1307
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: Like I have no idea. He's walking around with a

1308
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: big ass radio music loud playing music. I'm like, who

1309
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: fuck is this dude? Like what what make him? Like? Man,

1310
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: that's like that's Kobe Bryant. I'm like, who, Like, it's

1311
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, Like he going straight to the league like

1312
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: and this, oh okay, and we went out the ABC.

1313
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: Then I saw why so you have your kids in

1314
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: the league. He's played against mellow, do you give him

1315
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: any inside? Any inside? Like, hey, he doesn't like this

1316
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: if you do that right here, you got it right?

1317
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: Every absolutely everybody, anybody anybody that played that I played

1318
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: against that's still in the league or was still in

1319
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: the league his first three years. Oh absolutely, Like his

1320
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: first time he played against Paul Millsap, hear me like ya, yeah,

1321
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: I think i'mna have to go out Paul Mills after night,

1322
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, what do I need to do? I told

1323
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: him how to play. You know what I'm saying, because

1324
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: Paul was my era. Play Paul. I play a lot

1325
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: of games against Paul. Yeah, with Mellow as well. You

1326
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, force him here. You're gonna try

1327
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: to get into your body. You're gonna do this on

1328
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: the free throw line. You gotta get into early because

1329
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to quick you in certain situations like that.

1330
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: Now I got you. Gotta give him his CHEEKO is that.

1331
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: It's gotta be so satisfying seeing young Buck play that,

1332
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: Like that's almost like an extension of your career. I

1333
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 1: have a five year oldhen we go to soccer practice

1334
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: and I see her do something good and it's like

1335
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: I just scored a fucking touchdown. I can't imagine watching

1336
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: my son in the league. Oh, I can only imagine

1337
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: how you're gonna have a footwork though. You know what

1338
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You're gonna have a footwork me on that

1339
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: socker on the pitch. You're gonna have You know what

1340
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I got her. I gotta like I gotta

1341
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: like tricker and like bribe her with candy to make

1342
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: her go out and practice and ship. It's a little

1343
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: different when girl she like nothing but you know, horses, Oh,

1344
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: you ain't got to tell me my daughter that seven

1345
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: soccer teams. She been doing the same ship for the

1346
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: last two and a half year, three year. Listen and

1347
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: I'll be out there. She tell me, Daddy, you can't

1348
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: keep yelling. I said, okay, baby, I'm sorry, Like you're

1349
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: making me nervous. I'm like, I'm sorry, baby, I try

1350
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: in the very next week. She look over there, she'd

1351
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: be like, I'd be like, I get it, dude, I

1352
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 1: get it. Man. We appreciate you coming at the basketball game.

1353
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: I could be that way at the Hoho games. You

1354
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm loud in there. You know

1355
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, so everybody know I'm there. I sit

1356
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: in the front row, and I let everybody know it. Kenyan,

1357
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: do we miss anything about this era, about this game,

1358
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: about just any NBA stories that we that we missed

1359
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: out on here? Wow? Man, I think it was dude

1360
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: is dope. Man. I just just just the talking about

1361
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: Kobe Man and what he meant to what he meant

1362
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: the game and and those matchups. Man, I think people

1363
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: need to hear it. I'm saying how it was, Man,

1364
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: it was. That's why I like watching certain guys and

1365
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: certain teams play now. Man, it's just that competitive, Like

1366
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: I missed that. I miss watching guys compete at a

1367
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: high level, you know what I'm saying, And and it

1368
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: means something to more guys. Like that's just what I

1369
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: miss about it. And that's why I'm like, I enjoy

1370
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: watching my son play man because he embodies all that.

1371
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: It's different generation though, I'm the same way you watch

1372
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: the new generation play. And the thing to me though,

1373
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: like pregame, like guys are too key key with each other.

1374
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: Like I used to hate the fucking Jets. I used

1375
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: to want to fucking kill Bart Scott. I used to

1376
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: like I saw ray Lewis before a game, I want

1377
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: to spit near him. Like now everyone's like best friends

1378
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: hanging out by the way. Now you're like best friends

1379
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: with ray Lewis. It's different now we're on the same

1380
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: team on inside the end. But you know, I'm with it, man,

1381
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: all that, all that, Yeah, I just I'm I don't

1382
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I'm with you, Jules, I just

1383
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: I really it irks my ass, man, Like it really

1384
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: chaps my ass at times. Yeah, all the hugging and

1385
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: dapping and helping helping opposing team up and all that shit,

1386
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: it chaps my ass man. I get it. Man. Well,

1387
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: I we appreciate you taking the time to come talk

1388
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: ball stories with us if you ever need anything on

1389
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: our end. Man, we were there for anything. So I'll

1390
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: be out in LA. We have to have to get

1391
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: together and talk some more stories. Sure, let's catch up man,

1392
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: all right, bro, we love the way you play, man,

1393
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: loved it like it feels like getting a time machine.

1394
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 1: Just your intensity and the way you throw down dunks

1395
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: and get blocks and compete. I love the enthusiasm. I

1396
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: mean it was it was a lot. You played in

1397
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: a lot of cool teams, including one that ripped my

1398
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 1: heart out. But this Nuggets team, that Knixt team you

1399
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: played on. As we say, once you're a Nick, you're

1400
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: a Nick for life, So Knicks fans will love you forever. Too.

1401
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: Played the game way it's supposed to be playing. And

1402
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: if you listen to him, like, look, no situational basketball

1403
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: student of the game, Like it's an honor to have

1404
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: you on our podcast. Man, and we appreciate you. Appreciate it, Mane.

1405
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: He was awesome, love him even more now. Intense. He

1406
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: was one of those guys that you didn't fuck with

1407
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: in the locker room, clearly as JR. Didn't know that

1408
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: with the popcorn story, some poor ball boy oh to

1409
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: deal with Kmart. He literally just thought he was part

1410
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: of a fun prank and then one of the toughest

1411
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: enforcers in the NBA is in his face. Yeah, I mean,

1412
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: I just love He's just an intense guy. You could

1413
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: tell he he just wanted to fucking slam basketballs on

1414
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: people and fight like that's that's a real tough guy.

1415
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: It's crazy. He played in an era where you couldn't

1416
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: smoke weed, and now I feel like every player smokes weed.

1417
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean they did then too, but like you couldn't

1418
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: do it. They got drug tested. Yeah it there, that

1419
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: was a tricky situation. Yeah, Man, to hear some of

1420
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: his stories and it was just it was cool. Man.

1421
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: I love I always I always cleaned up with those

1422
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: kind of guys on the team that were just like

1423
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: hard motherfuckers like you always wanted. You always wanted a

1424
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: guy that ate a steak with like his hands, not

1425
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: a forking knife. And that's kind of guy kmart is,

1426
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, just a tough motherfucker, doesn't care about this,

1427
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: doesn't care what other people think. Always had you talk

1428
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: to him about any of his teammates. He had all

1429
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: of his teammates back. Even when he would criticize someone

1430
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: that was with love. You could tell he's a dude

1431
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: that would go to war with you. Yeah, he's a guy.

1432
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: Definitely a glue guy. Jack. Did we hit the prop bet?

1433
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: I got a little I'm gonna give it to us.

1434
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: We got to did it? How we oh? Repeat counts? Okay,

1435
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: we hit it. I was scared to bring it up.

1436
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: At first. I was like, let's see if he's cool,

1437
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: and then he smiled. I was like, thank god, Wait

1438
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 1: who Jr's d m Uh, they're trying to get the pipe?

1439
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: But what's the bet? Was the beef? Right? It was?

1440
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: Would we would we get to or over? One and

1441
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: a Half's trying to get the pipe? Yeah? We went over.

1442
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: We went over because I said it. Then he said

1443
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: it seemed like Kenyon was a fan of that DM strategy.

1444
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: Also seems like, uh, yeah, they made T shirts Knicks

1445
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: fans would wear the you rock one I have before Jack.

1446
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: Jack's got all like the funny, cool, little niche stuff

1447
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: that was A j R. Was absolutely one of the

1448
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,440
Speaker 1: most beloved necks of that era because he was reckless.

1449
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: He played the way he DM's. You didn't know what

1450
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. He'd pull up from fucking way too

1451
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: far out. I mean, he was the king of the

1452
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: no no, no, yes shot strum, the air guitar. Oh ude,

1453
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he did do the this shit. That was

1454
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: one of the greatest celebrations. What's the legacy for this game?

1455
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: It's the game is more just the talk hoops with Kmart.

1456
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: It's not like it's a great series. The game itself

1457
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: is cool to see the Nuggets beat the Lakers, because

1458
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't like that Laker team. I respected them,

1459
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's a great uh game itself.

1460
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: It's a solid game. I mean it was. It's a

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01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: It's an entertaining game. It's just not an iconic game

1462
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: like some of the ones we've had on here. It

1463
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 1: is a great game, don't get me wrong. It was

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01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: great to see the players like Chauncey Billups and Kmart

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01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: and Mellow against Gasol Kobe, Like there was great matchups,

1466
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: but you know, it still was a Game two of

1467
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: a Western Conference final. It was a little it was

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01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: a little tough to find the legacy for this. The

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01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: lasting image to me is Kobe and Mellow guarden each

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01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: other because that was like a cool just a cool matchup,

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01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: two dudes that respected the hell out of each other.

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01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: The lasting image for me is probably the eyeballs that

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01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: Kmart gave the ball boy as he asked him, who

1474
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: the fuck put the popcorn in my mother fucking car?

1475
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: Like that's my last That is, by the way, that's

1476
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: like a funny thing in movies. You don't realize that

1477
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: people actually do that as a prank. That's been done

1478
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: in Patriots. That's a rich guy prank. That's very rich

1479
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: guy prank. Yeah, Kmart's prank was fun. The drug test

1480
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: prank is fun. And then that's like when you do

1481
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: the one and then the guy takes it to Tan

1482
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, you ruined a fucking probably really nice car. Yeah,

1483
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 1: it probably smells like whise buttery popcorn every time he

1484
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: takes a drive after that. I mean, I'm sure he's

1485
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: got a He probably had enough money to get that

1486
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: bad boy cleaned up. I hope so we'll get a

1487
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: new car. That's good. Imagine bringing that to a to

1488
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: a mechanic or whoever as the clean in that, and

1489
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 1: they're just like, what popcorn? Was it popcorn? Or was

1490
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: it popcorn from the packages? That's what we didn't ask

1491
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: because I think it could have been the popcorn from

1492
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: the packages. You know you put in like boxes when

1493
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: you ship shit. That's called popcorn too. I think old

1494
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: packing peanuts kind of vibe. Yeah, maybe it was that.

1495
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: I think it was popcorn. But yeah, om Rimmenbaker, the

1496
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: bounce off Kobe imbound and bounce pass is a good image.

1497
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: I think mellow and Kobe is what I think of.

1498
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: This the name of the game, I mean, there's not

1499
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: really a great name for this, to be honest. Uh,

1500
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: it's more like you name the series the Kobe Melo series.

1501
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: Almost to me, Yeah, it's got to be the Kobe

1502
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: Melo series. We'll name the series. So steaks are pretty high.

1503
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: It is the Western Conference Finals. It's what so, sorry, Jack,

1504
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: what do we forget? Oh? Not a lot? Good ep.

1505
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: I got a little deep dive on h went to

1506
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: the color palette hit tones. We were talking Powder Blue

1507
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: versus Carolina Blue earlier the nuggets. Powder Blue is Pantone

1508
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: p MS two seventy nine you and c Blue is

1509
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: a proprietary Pantone pantone five four two. For all you

1510
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 1: color heads out there, love it, we do. Hey, sometimes

1511
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: it's for the color heads, man, Hey, we want them all.

1512
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: We take all the head good Jack, The depth of

1513
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: research on this podcast knows no bounds. You're trying to

1514
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: get a job at the paint section at Lows after

1515
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: this clip that, Oh, let's score it steaks. I don't

1516
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: think the steaks are crazy high. I would go like

1517
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: seven two. I mean it is seven to two for sure.

1518
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: It was star Power. You gotta go crazy high on

1519
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 1: star Power because and Jack Nicholson are in there. It's

1520
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: a niner, Will Ferrell, Kobe Mellow. We'll go nine O.

1521
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 1: I know. Is that not high enough? Jack? That's that's

1522
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: real high. Yeah. But Jack, the Tom Cruise and Will

1523
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: Ferrell where the Terry Hatcher was there? I just saw

1524
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: Terry Hatcher. She adds, at least makes some nine. Yeah,

1525
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: Terry Hatcher tipped the scales. That's what you're saying. Jack

1526
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: loves a good Terry Hatcher gameplay. It's a good game.

1527
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: It was good. They were down with Lakers were down

1528
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: fourteen at one point. It's a it's a great it's

1529
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: a great basketball game. There's a lot of entertaining players.

1530
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: Aresa with a great game. Kmar put up good numbers.

1531
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: Kobe and Mellow were incredible billups. You got to give

1532
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: it like an eight four eight four, a five. I'll

1533
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: give a five. Name is this is what we're going

1534
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: to get killed? I think it's like a two four

1535
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: or something. The name is not two six sick. We'll get,

1536
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: We'll get We'll give it a two six. What was that? Total?

1537
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: Lists up at six point eight? Not bad, six point eight.

1538
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: A great game. It's just not an iconic game. But

1539
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: it's a great game. It's really good. An iconic series,

1540
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: but it's not an iconic game. Yeah, we got it,

1541
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 1: you know it is. It is a game two. Yeah,

1542
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: this was game seven and they won. Could have been

1543
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, a different different story. What do you got check?

1544
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: I see over there? That puts us right in between

1545
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: the Manning seven, which was Week one twenty thirteen Broncos

1546
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: Ravens and then just ahead of Ricky's record Texas first,

1547
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: Texas A and m it's good company eight. Yep, it's

1548
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: respectable that Manning seven was badass too, so it surpassed that.

1549
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the star power really surpassed it. That's where

1550
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: we're really won. But yeah, I mean, this was not

1551
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 1: an amazing, like iconic game year because look the magic

1552
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: kind of trump, the Calves in six, then the uh

1553
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: then the Lakers won in five in the finals. It

1554
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: wasn't like a game that was as iconic as like

1555
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: the next year or the year before with the Lakers

1556
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: Celtics games. This was straight Lake Show year. Yeah, this

1557
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: was straight Lake Show year. We have to give it

1558
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:01,200
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1559
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1560
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1561
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01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,599
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01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:22,639
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Speaker 1: you the next game.