1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. That's Giants. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Dunt come get on my giants, bull give me some job. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network, Let's roll. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to another Giants Little podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: the official bank of the Giants. How to it be 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: joined for the second straight year by Field Yates, who 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: is now a draft analyst for ESPN. And Field, I 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: wonder if you knew exactly what you were getting into 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: when you went from host to analysts and all the 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: extra work it's put on your plate trying to manage 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: two young children in a home much like I am. 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's certainly every day is a challenge, 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: but in the best way possible, right. I mean, the 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 3: draft is an event that I know you and I 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: have loved since we were you know, like the age 16 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: of our children right now, So I certainly will complain 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: about covering the draft. I'd say the biggest difference between 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: this role and sort of playing the point guard role 19 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 3: in the past is it's like, you know, people do 20 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: care about players beyond let's say the first fifty or so, right, 21 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: But as you know, like ninety seven percent of the 22 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: coverage up until the draft is about that top fifty 23 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: or so players. Heck, a lot of it's about the 24 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: first like twelve or fifteen picks, right, I mean the 25 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this year's class, the wide receivers, bowers, et cetera. 26 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: But I got a really you know, my biggest thing 27 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: this year is recognizing that there are two hundred and 28 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: fifty seven picks and we want to give some time 29 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: to all two hundred and fifty seven of them, or 30 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: at least the ones. 31 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: That you know. 32 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: Of course, on a Day three a lot of commercial breaks, 33 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: as you can imagine during a seven hour broadcast, So 34 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: when my guy's name is called during our broadcast, we 35 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: want to make sure that we are doing our best 36 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: to provide insight on that pick, whether it's fourth, fifth, sixth, 37 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: or seventh round pick, whether it's a small school guy, 38 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: whether it's a big school guy. Because there are plenty 39 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: of draft success stories that prove that is certainly worth 40 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: paying attention to Day three at the NFL Draft. 41 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: And by the way, go check out Field on First 42 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: Draft with mil Kaypers twice a week. It's a podcast 43 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: is on the YouTube channel. I love your shows and 44 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: you guys dig into the the day two and three guys, 45 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: and I know Mel likes doing that too. You guys 46 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: do a great job. But let's start at the top 47 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: field real quick. You're plugged into the league. Do you 48 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: have any feel yet what the Patriots are gonna do 49 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: with three? We might not know what quarterback Washington is 50 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: taking it to, but we know they're taking a quarterback. 51 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: Do you have an. 52 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: Idea if the Patriots are trying to get out yet 53 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: or or what they're thinking at that spot? 54 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel good about the first two picks. You know, 55 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams, you know he can look at houses on 56 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: Zillo right now if we wanted to in Chicago. That's 57 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 3: how secure that pick is. And then Jayden Daniels, I 58 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: think is gonna end up being a Washington commander by 59 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: the time we get to April twenty fifth, which is 60 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: two weeks away from when you and I are having 61 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: this conversation right now. And then I think the Patriots, 62 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 3: and I'm following the lead of some of the public 63 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: comments that have been made this year. With Bill Belichick 64 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: no longer the head coach, I would say that you 65 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: know you're hearing a little bit more from the organization 66 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: for better or worse. I'm not exactly sure where we 67 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: land on that as of yet, but you know, Drod Mayo, 68 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: the new head coach, just talks about the importance of 69 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: a quarterback. Even Elliott Wolf, who's now kind of pulling 70 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: a trigger for them in the personnel department, talked about 71 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: the quarterback position during the combine, not quite as transparently, 72 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: but did acknowledge it. And then Robert Craft, the owner 73 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: of the team, who, despite the fact that he is 74 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 3: not the person who is making the draft picks, he 75 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: says he wants a quarterback of pick three the GM 76 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: or the de facto GM, and the head coach say, Okay, 77 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: we're gonna find the best one for you. So I 78 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: think the Patriots end up taking a quarterback at number 79 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: three overall. And I'll use some of the teams that 80 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: are not picking in the first three as examples as 81 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: to why the opportunity cost is really really difficult to 82 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: bypass if you are a team like the Patriots this year. 83 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: Is that if you're the Patriots and you don't take 84 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: a quarterback at three. First of all, we know this class, right, 85 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: We're two weeks away from the draft beginning we know 86 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: what this class looks like, and at least to my evaluation, 87 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: there are at least three quarterbacks that are worthy of 88 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: a top three overall pick. I think Drake May part 89 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: of that conversation as well. So while you could have 90 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: a player next year in the draft, you could have 91 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: ten quarterbacks who are superior to Caleb Williams and Jayden 92 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: Daniels and Drake May and Jjim McCarthy, you could also 93 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: have zero, right, I mean, we've seen this year to year, right, 94 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: A couple of seasons ago, a couple of years ago, 95 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: the Steelers take Kenny Pickett round one. He's traded within 96 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: two years. By the way, he was the only quarterback 97 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: taken in the first two rounds, much less like you know, 98 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: the first five picks. He one in the twenties for Pittsburgh. 99 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: So there's a certainty right beyond that if you take 100 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: a don't take a quarterback and instead trade down, they're 101 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: gonna fill a lot of your other needs, most likely 102 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: wide receiver, offensive tackled for the Patriots primary needs as well. 103 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: But a year from now, you could be the eighth 104 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: pick and you could be saying, all right, well, what 105 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: would it have cost Atlanta, who if they didn't land 106 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, you better believe they were gonna be in 107 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 3: the quarterback market in the draft. It might cost them. 108 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: I'm just making this up. Eight plus they're twenty twenty 109 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: five first plus they're twenty twenty six first or something 110 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: like that. So the Patriots could be making the same 111 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: move in reverse a year from now. So, whether it 112 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: was the Patriots, whether it was the Commander's, if it 113 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: was any team at three that needed a quarterback, I 114 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: would have vouched for taking a quarter I will vouch 115 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: for taking a quarterback at three and keeping it simple. 116 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: And it's a little bit of a different situation. 117 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: I think the Giants in their war room is probably 118 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: are probably having a similar conversation, right yeah, if you 119 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: get closer to five one hundred, you're picking fourteenth. And 120 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: let's say you decide, all right, we do want to 121 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: make a quarterback switch. Well a, is there a guy 122 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: out there you want be? The price team up is 123 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: really high, but even this year field, it's opportunity cost 124 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: to your point, right, you have an opportunity to get 125 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: a great player at a premium position, whether it's wide 126 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: receiver or offensive tackle. If you want to go that 127 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: way in this draft, you're gonna have a chance at 128 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: one of those two spots, and you're pretty damn sure 129 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: other player is gonna be good. Yeah, you can pick 130 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: a quarterback at six, but honestly, with Arizona and the 131 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: Chargers there, they're looking to get out. 132 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: I think both of us agree on that. 133 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: So you're gonna have that fourth quarterback picked in that 134 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: area ahead of the Giants. So not only you have 135 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: to spend the capitol on a quarterback, you have to 136 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: move up and you probably send next year's one to 137 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: get into. 138 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: One of those spots to draft the quarterback. 139 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: So how would you weigh that opportunity cost if you're 140 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: the Giants who do have a young quarterback place in 141 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, who you know you believe enough in to 142 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: sign to a long term contract two years ago. Last 143 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: year didn't go well. You know, there's a lot of 144 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: different reasons for that. We don't need to get into those. 145 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: How would you weigh that up opportunity costs and decision 146 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: that the Giants are making it six compared to what 147 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: you just talked about with New England. 148 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 3: I think the hardest part of the equation that I 149 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: have not yet been able to figure out, is what's 150 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: the cost? You mentioned the possibility of next year's one. 151 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: I think I'm like, I have speculated the same, but 152 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 3: I don't know that for sure, right, I mean the 153 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: move up that we keep using data points when we 154 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: are trying to evaluate what it might cost to move 155 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: up from one spot to the next. And because fairly 156 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: recently twenty twenty one we had the forty nine ers 157 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: go from twelve to three, we are all using the 158 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: idea of about three first round picks, including this year's pick, 159 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: to move up. Right, So if you're Arizona, you might 160 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: get eleven twenty three and a next year one from 161 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 3: Minnesota as an example, don't I mean, I can't guarantee 162 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: that's what's what's going to cost. But if I'm Arizona, 163 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: I'm saying, did you see what happened three years ago? Like, 164 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: that's exactly what we are thinking. Meanwhile, when was the 165 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: last time we had like a six to four move 166 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: up for a quarterback? 167 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: I think it was really yet it wasn't like three twos. 168 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: I think six three when they moved up in twenty 169 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: eighteen to grab Sam Darnald. But you know, to me. 170 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 3: The difference there was that the Jets that was so early. 171 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: That was actually, I believe on Saint Patrick's day, So 172 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: it was March, way before the draft, and it was 173 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: like the Jets were saying at that time, we're comfortable 174 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: with whoever falls to three, right, there was not nearly 175 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: as much certainty about which quarterback was going to be 176 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: taken number one overall. A lot of people thought it 177 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: could have been Sam Darnald, some thought could have been 178 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: Josh Allen. So I think Draft Twitter was advocating probably 179 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: correctly for Lamar Jackson. You know, Josh or Lamar obviously 180 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: the two crown jewels of that class. But you know, 181 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: it's a different marketplace now. It feels like now that 182 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: we've had a steeper cost paid by somebody else, the 183 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: Cardinals and the Viking and the Chargers have that leverage 184 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: of we're not gonna give it away to you, right So, 185 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: and the other part of this is that Arizona and 186 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: the Chargers have very appealing options at four and five 187 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: if they stay there, right. So for Arizona, it's not 188 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: just all right, hey, you guys are offering us a 189 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: deal less than what Miami got a few years ago. 190 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: It's also that we're bypassing Marvin Harrison Jr. Right, So 191 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: anyways to go to the Giants. I don't have a 192 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: great feel of what it would cost to go from 193 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: six to four to six to five. I think this 194 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: is one where I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take 195 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: the easy way out here and just say that I 196 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: don't know how the team actually feels. I've heard them 197 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: the comment publicly, and coach day Ball and Joe Shane 198 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: I both said many times over if Daniel's healthy, he's 199 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: the guy. And if I take them at their word, 200 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: then I gotta be honest with you. I'm actually really 201 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: comfortable with Romadoonsa or the Laitue neighbors, or Marvin Harrison Jr. 202 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: Probably not him at six. I feel great about one 203 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: of those picks and those values, but I don't have 204 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: a great feel about how rubber stamped. That feeling is 205 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: that Daniel Jones is the quarterback when healthy, with no ifs, 206 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: and the if in this case would be the opportunity 207 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 3: to trade up to number four. So I know this 208 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 3: is like not the job of a draft and in 209 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: most cases, but I feel as though either path the 210 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: Giants take is justifiable if you trade up. I understand 211 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: the methodology behind that. It's the idea that your ceiling 212 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: has raised and you can tap into the depth of 213 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: the wide receiver class later or the offensive tackle class later. 214 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: If you stand pat you're saying to yourself, I get it. 215 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: Last year did not go how we wanted it to. 216 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: But if I can do my math correctly, fifteen months ago, 217 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: maybe sixteen whatever, January twenty twenty three, Daniel Jones outdueled 218 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, who just signed a massive contract, Cooper nearly 219 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty yards in a playoff win. And 220 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: when he signed that extension. You know, certainly some rhetoric 221 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: was you know, I still want to learn more about, 222 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: you know, whether Daniel Jones is more of the first 223 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: four years or the past year version of Daniel Jones. 224 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: But there were a lot of people that said he 225 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: earned that he bowled out this past year. The Giants 226 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: now have the most important part of the roster secured 227 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 3: for seasons. 228 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: All right, feel two more one quick on the trade detail, 229 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: and then two I'll just let you give some of 230 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: your favorite Day two and Day three players. 231 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Sure, and I think the interesting part of this too. 232 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: A lot of people think, well, it's an advantage for 233 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: the Giants to be at six because other team doesn't 234 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: have to moved back as far to. 235 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: Make that trade. Right, It does, it is, But I 236 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: think in. 237 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: Other ways, maybe the Chargers want a stockpile picks. Maybe 238 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: they want to get more picks, and you know, they 239 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: want to pick one of those tackles at twelve, and 240 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: they don't want to pick at six. So which one 241 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: of these teams and I'm thinking the Patriots is probably 242 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: the answer here? You think would prefer to stay in 243 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: that top six area, And which teams would prefer to 244 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: move into that eleven to thirteen area where the Vikings, 245 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: the Broncos and the Raiders are hanging out looking for quarterbacks. 246 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually a good point, because I think the 247 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: Chargers would be happy moving down further to add more picks, 248 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: like more volume, more swings. I think Arizona the team 249 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: has got to be really, really mindful of how far 250 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: they move down right, because they're glaring need at wide 251 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: receivers so obvious. And Marvin Harrison Junior, if you told 252 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: me Windley, you know six months ago, Hey, Marvin Harrison 253 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 3: Junior would go fourth overall in the draft. How do 254 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: you feel about that pick? Regardless of who it was, 255 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: picking Marvin Harrison Junior, and regardless of who went ahead 256 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: of him, I'd say unbelievable value. Right, unless Marvin Harrison 257 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 3: Junior had decided to retire from football, that's a justifiable 258 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: fourth overall pick if you move down from four to eleven. 259 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: I believe that while the wide receiver depth is terrific, 260 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: mel and I talked about this a plenty on first draft, 261 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: in whatever order you want to choose Marvin Harrison Junior, 262 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: elite neighbors, Roma Dunza, those guys are different. We're talking 263 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: about day one instant impact wide receiver one candidates, guys 264 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: who immediately lift the ceiling and the floor of your offense. 265 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: And I'd be careful because if if you move to eleven, 266 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: and you know, the draft is beautiful because there's mystery 267 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: and intrigue, I don't think you're getting one of those guys. 268 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: So if you move down from four to eleven, yeah, 269 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: you got a bunch of extra swings, but your wide 270 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: receiver room has a different complexion than it would have 271 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: if you just sit there or move from four to six, 272 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: because you're guaranteed to get one of those three if 273 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: you go from four to six. 274 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: I agree, all right, field, we got about ninety seconds 275 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: left here. Give me your favorite Day two and Day 276 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: three players where it's just you watch them and you're like, damn, 277 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: I love this way this guy. 278 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: I love the way this guy plays football. 279 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give me a few guys here that come 280 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: to mind. So Day two probably early second round, maybe 281 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: mid second round, somewhere in the gosh. I'll tell you what. 282 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: I got to be better about this As a draft 283 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: analysts as well, I'm so wired for my days in 284 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: scouting to remind people that every team sports a little 285 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: bit different and it just takes one team to allow 286 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: a player to go higher than you might expect. Right. 287 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: But Jalen Polk, wide receiver from Washington, one of my 288 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: favorite amidst a very deep wide receiver class, but so tough, 289 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: is excellent and contested catch situations, and I think we 290 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: always we evaluate I think probably a little bit too 291 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: much players making or having great hands. For like the 292 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: spectacular sports in our top ten plays that certainly matters, right, 293 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: those live on in infamy. But I like guys who 294 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: just he just may just make consistent catches inside outside 295 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: of their frame. I think Jale and Polk. I compare 296 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 3: him to a low post player in the NBA from 297 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: twenty years ago. Not a lot of flash, not a 298 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: lot of substance, but he gets buckets. Number another one 299 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 3: marsh On nieland Western Michigan edge. The sack production is 300 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: not going to blow you away, but you go back 301 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 3: and watch Western Michigan, especially this year when Bridan Fisk 302 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: was not there. He transferred to Florida State. Had a 303 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: great year with the Seminoles. The way they had to 304 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: utilize marsh On Neeland was he was the best player 305 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: by fault right, this guy, but he's so strong. You 306 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: don't see as many guys come in with as much 307 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: raw power as Marshaw Neiland has. He also had a 308 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: terrific three cone and short shuttle during the combine. Big 309 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: physical edge rusher who I think could go somewhere in 310 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: the mid second day three picks. Miles Harden safety corner 311 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: probably I think a corner from South Dakota. Frisky. The 312 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: ball just finds him, or I guess he finds the ball. 313 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: As a defensive player, he is a turnover forced waiting 314 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 3: to happen, has tremendous confidence. We're in a four to 315 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 3: five zero at the combine as well, so good enough 316 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: time to feel pretty strongly about that one. And then 317 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of one more. Day three. I 318 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: like Luke McCaffrey, wide receiver from Rice, who, of course, 319 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: if you're saying to yourself, as he related to Christian, yeah, 320 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: he is brother, one of his kid brothers, and he 321 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 3: is an awesome player. He used to be a quarterback 322 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: Nebraska transfers to Rice, ends up moving to wide receivers, 323 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: played there for two years. Has an awesome year this 324 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: past year double digit receiving touchdowns. Had twenty four contested 325 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 3: catches this past season. That number just some sort of 326 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: context on it. I was tied with Romadonsay for the 327 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: most in all the FBS. So anytime you're tied with 328 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: Romadunza for pretty much any good category, you have my attention. 329 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: So I wish that we gave more time to these 330 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: young players. Not every player comes in and lights the 331 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: NFL on fire and they're just dominant from day one, 332 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: like Odell Beckham junior when he was a rookie. Some 333 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 3: of these guys need time and Luke McCaffrey might be 334 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: a red shirt type player, but I'm betting on the 335 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: development of a player's come so far, it's just a 336 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: short period of time, and believe it or not, when 337 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: you're a McCaffrey, turns out you're wired pretty competitively. So 338 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: I do think this kid has a chance to become 339 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: a better player over the next two to three seasons. 340 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: And his dad was a pretty good wide receiver too, which. 341 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: Also, hey, everybody says his mom was the best athlete 342 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: in the family, Lisa, so I would say that as 343 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: far as the gene pool is considered, he won the 344 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: lottery in more Field. 345 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: Keep it the great work. We appreciate the time my friend. 346 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 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You'll also, of course, 365 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: because part of NFL Networks covers of the draft from 366 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: April twenty fifth to the twenty seventh in Detroit Bucky 367 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: John Schmelk here and he's brother for the Man Hope 368 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: Draft season, Trigo, Well man, how you doing. 369 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: I'm good man. I'm getting excited. You know, you talk 370 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 4: about two weeks away from the draft, and so that's 371 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 4: always in the sad time to kind and finally see 372 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: where all these top prospects go. 373 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, we just got done talking to Field the 374 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: eates a lot about the Giants at the top of 375 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,119 Speaker 2: being a quarter and potential of taking a quarterback. 376 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: I have to give you a chance to get. 377 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: Your North Carolina love in here though, And I want 378 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: to talk about Drake May for a second. You talk 379 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: about grading the flashes a lot, and I like that terminologies. 380 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: I think with Drake May, you do that, you can 381 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: see why he might have the highest upside of any 382 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: quarterback in the class. 383 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: But for me personally, he's my number two guy. By 384 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: the way, I think he's great. 385 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: I got in trouble with that with Sam Darnold when 386 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: I grated his flashes. I loved him a lot, and 387 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: then that hasn't worked out so well. So talk about 388 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: the balance you take in trying to grade flashes versus 389 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: the overall body of work when it comes to Drake May. 390 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look, you're always trying to grade the flashes 391 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 4: because once they show you they can do it once, 392 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 4: they can do it again. But it's important to understand 393 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: the environment that you're trying to create to allow him 394 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 4: to really relive those splashes. And so for Drake May, 395 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 4: I think it's important that everyone understands. In the last 396 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 4: four years, he's only played two seasons. He didn't play 397 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 4: his final season in high school because of COVID. He 398 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: sat behind Sam Howell his freshman year at North Carolina 399 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 4: and then he played the last two years. So what 400 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: you're getting is a very talented player, but a very 401 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: inexperienced player, and the coaching staff must have a plan 402 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: to help him kind of find his way through the 403 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 4: National Football League as he's learning how to play the 404 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 4: game because he's an inexperienced player. But if you're able 405 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 4: to tap into that, build an offense around what he 406 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: does really well, which, look, man, he's super athletic, he 407 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: has big time arm talent. He's an a one kid 408 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: when it comes to all the intangibles. But it's about 409 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: putting them in a system where he doesn't have to 410 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: carry the offense early. Maybe he can manage it early 411 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 4: and then later in his career he can be able 412 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 4: to carry it. 413 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: We talked about trading up with Field. How about the 414 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: concept of trading down for the Giants here at six Bucky, 415 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: do you think A, if there's no quarterback on the board, 416 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: they would be an opportunity to trade down. And if 417 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: you want one of those top three wide receivers in 418 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: that little cluster with Harrison Neighbors or dooms A, can 419 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: you afford to move down to maybe even let's say 420 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: the Bears decide we have one guy we really like, 421 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: they want to move from like nine to five. If 422 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: you're the Giants, would you consider something like that or 423 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: is that just too risky in case someone can even 424 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 2: jump you up to eight. If the Falcons think they 425 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: can trade down, still draft the good defensive player. 426 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: If you're the Giants and you want to get one 427 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: of those top three whiteouts, no. 428 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: If my heart is said on one of those top 429 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 4: three whiteouts, then I'm a stick and pick. I don't 430 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 4: want to get cute trying to get another pick or 431 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 4: anything like that when my player is there for me 432 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: to take. And given the way that all these things 433 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 4: are being mocked out, I mean you're gonna have your 434 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 4: pick of the top two of the top three receivers. 435 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: If Marvin Harrison Junior goes like we think he'll go, 436 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 4: but then you can be sitting there with elite neighbors 437 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: and Roma Dune Neighbors has the juice. He has the speed, 438 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 4: the quickness, the explosiveness. The last time we saw a 439 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: big LSU stand out play in New York, Oh there, 440 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: Beckham Junior. It looked pretty good. Roma Dunza is the 441 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 4: big body playmaker that is more in the mold of 442 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 4: a Jamar Chase physical playmaker. So for me, I don't 443 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 4: want to mess around. I want to have my pick 444 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 4: as opposed to let the board dictate what I'm gonna take. 445 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 4: And if I'm the Giants Joe Shane and Brian dave Ball, 446 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 4: I'm a sticking pick. I'm not gonna mess. 447 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: Around as a scout. 448 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: Take me inside the war room and the Giants are 449 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: sitting there, obviously this decision will be made long before 450 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: draft night, and they're just siding between a dounesay and neighbors. 451 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: How would you parse those two? Does it get down 452 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: to fit and your system? If they're graded so closely? 453 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: Tell me what that debate sounds like between the scouts, 454 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: coaches and decision makers in that war room when you're 455 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how you're stacking neighbors in a 456 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: donsay given how close they are on most people's boards. 457 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: You know, it depends on how the juice, like who 458 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: has the power when it comes to making the final pick. 459 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 4: But what has happened at this point, Like the scouts 460 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: have already presented their cases on both of the players, 461 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: and so if the players are similarly graded, it now 462 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: comes down to the coaches and really comes down to 463 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 4: the head coach or whoever can charge the offense. What 464 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 4: do we envision, what do we need at the position? 465 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: What do we need as a number one? Which one 466 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: do we believe is better capable of handling the responsibilities 467 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 4: that a number one receiver has to handle in our offense, 468 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 4: not in any offense, but in our offense. And so 469 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: that's what it comes down to. And then it's also, okay, 470 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 4: let's look at the quarterback. And if we're saying that 471 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: we will continue on with Daniel Jones, how can we 472 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 4: make his game better? Does he need someone who's a 473 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 4: catch and run special like a Malik Neighbors, or can 474 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 4: we get away with someone who's more of a jump 475 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 4: ball playmaker like Aroma Dunda. A lot of it has 476 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: to do with the personnel that you have, but also 477 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: the scheme that you want to run. 478 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: What do you think in the modern day NFL Buckie 479 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: is more valuable that run after catch guy or that 480 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: true dynamic X like you just described. 481 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: For I would say run after catch is really important. 482 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 4: And the reason run after catch is important is because 483 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: it allows you to employ a high completion perient of offense. 484 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: One that is easy for the quarterback, but it yields 485 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: big games. If you're one of those that are pushing 486 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 4: it down the field and you don't have wide receivers 487 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: that can break tackle or make things happen in space, 488 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 4: makes it really, really difficult to go to the length 489 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: of the field. And we know there's a direct correlation 490 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 4: between big plays, explosive plays, and scoring point and the 491 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 4: only way that you can score points in the next 492 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 4: football league you have to find a way to make 493 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: plays that are twenty yards along it. 494 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that, one hundred percent. Final 495 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: one on the kind of quarterback wide receiver dynamic. Here 496 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: you mentioned Daniel Jones, and I've asked, I've got a 497 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: bunch of guests the last couple of weeks, how would 498 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: you think about the Giants decision as to whether or 499 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: not you want to draft a quarterback to either compete 500 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: with or play alongside or eventually replace Daniel Jones, A 501 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: guy they believed in enough to sign that big deal 502 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: to two years ago. Last year didn't go well, small 503 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 2: sample size, a lot of injuries, nothing went right around him. 504 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 2: The way I've thought about it is that if you 505 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: think a guy has a chance to be like a 506 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: top seven, top eight superhero type of quarterback. Pull the trigger, 507 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: but don't just pick one for the sake of replacing Daniel. 508 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: How would you think about that decision at six, which 509 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 2: is really could be something that defines the direction of 510 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: the franchise over the next few years. 511 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: This will require a lot of discipline from the Giants 512 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 4: front office when it comes to picking, because what happens 513 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: is subconstantly, when you know you need something, you tend 514 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: to kind of influence the grade and to make sure 515 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 4: that the position of need is at the top where 516 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: you have one of the picks. But if we're really 517 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 4: gatting the player based on who are the best players 518 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: in this draft, well, then those quarterbacks might not be there, 519 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 4: because not only are you talking about the big three 520 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: wide receiver, but then you can talk about the offensive 521 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 4: linement that are available to kind of make some things. 522 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 4: You can never go wrong with taking the best player 523 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 4: because if you take a lot of the BPAs, you 524 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: end up having a roster and loaded with really good players, 525 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 4: and then that gives you an opportunity to do some 526 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: special stuff. I would expect Joe Shane being a throwback 527 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 4: scout I think here is the temptation is just going 528 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: to get the next quarterback, and he'll make sure that 529 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 4: the player that the Giants take it fix is the 530 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 4: best player available on the board. 531 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: I'm curious how you think the teams from eleven to thirteen, 532 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: the Vikings, the Broncos, and the Raiders are going to 533 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: handle this Bucky in terms of trying to find their 534 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: next quarterback, because I think aside from the top three teams, 535 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: they are the three teams that are really most desperate 536 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: and I'll use that word to find the quarterback. How 537 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: aggressive are all three? I think we all know Minnesota 538 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: has kind of, you know, shown that they're going to 539 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: try to go up and get one. But how do 540 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: you think the Broncos and the Patriots, I mean, the 541 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: Raiders are going to handle this, especially since the Broncos 542 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: don't have that second round pick. 543 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be interesting and it'll be another test in 544 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 4: discipline for all those guys when it comes to grading 545 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 4: players for your team versus stretching and reaching for need picks. 546 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 4: At some point, these quarterbacks will be at a round 547 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 4: value or they'll be at a pick value where you 548 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 4: can confidently for the trigger and feel like, Okay, I'm 549 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 4: getting compartable value for what it is right now. They 550 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 4: feel like stretches and reaches, but look, you can stretch 551 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 4: to reach for a little bit because if a player 552 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: comes into your system and he fits, he's gonna play 553 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 4: really well and nobody will remember that you over so 554 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 4: that you picked him out of turn when it came 555 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 4: to the draft. You just gotta have conviction, and you 556 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 4: got to be able to back that conviction up with 557 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 4: like factual evidence that suggests, Okay, you know, we're making 558 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: a good decision. It's a little out of our league, 559 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 4: but we're gonna go with it because he will make 560 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: it right. If you feel good about the characters of 561 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 4: the player, you can gamble a little bit on some 562 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 4: of those things. 563 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Giant Fans Level Winner. It's why they love Citizens. 564 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: In the twenty twenty two Best Bank in the US 565 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: by the Banker as the official bank of the Giants 566 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: and sponsor of the Huddle, Citizens is made ready for 567 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: fans of Big Blue. Learn more citizens Bank dot Com. 568 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: All right, Bucky, I want to jump to the second 569 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: round here. The Giants have a lot of needs, right 570 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: and they have to fall out of them. Let's assume 571 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 2: they go wide receiver in round one, so we'll take 572 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: that out of the mix, and we know tackles will 573 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: go a lot in round one, but then you get 574 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: the round two that might be. 575 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: Flushed out a little bit. 576 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: Where do you think the most depth is in this 577 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: draft when you get to that second and third round 578 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 2: on Day two, other than wide receiver, where there's going 579 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: to be a decent volume of players at these positions 580 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: that the Giants could attack. 581 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 4: I would say, like the deepest part when we get 582 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: to it in those second and third rounds, it's going 583 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: to be the defensive back. Defensive back classes loaded with 584 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 4: guys that should go off the board in the second 585 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: and third round, whether it is she Met Milton coming 586 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 4: from Rutgers, Mikey Sandrastio coming from Michigan, I mean Ronardo 587 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 4: Green being a guy from Florida State that's really really 588 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 4: under the radar. There are a lot of guys out 589 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 4: there they can play against. Some nastiness to them, some 590 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 4: snap back to them when it comes to tackling that 591 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: can get a gunt. The defensive back classes one where 592 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: I think you can get tremendous value in the second, 593 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 4: third round. 594 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. 595 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: Bucky and those three guys you mentioned are actually the 596 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: three guys that I have second round picked second round 597 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: grades on along with Rackstraw at the Missouri. What do 598 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: you think of the three bigger corners that I have? 599 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 2: I have them a little bit later some people have 600 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 2: them around to the TJ. Tampa is the cam Hearts, 601 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: the Kyrie. Jackson's that group of kind of bigger perimeter 602 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: corners which you're getting fewer and fewer of now coming 603 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: out of college football. 604 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're getting pure and fewer of them because most 605 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 4: of those guys make their way to the wide receiver line, 606 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: so they never get a chance to really play dB. 607 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 4: I'll say this about Jackson, the kidd from Oregon. Look, 608 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 4: he is a headhunter. He's a sticker. He does a 609 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 4: great depth stick and his nose in there. He is 610 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 4: not afraid of the smoke, and he goes and embraces it. 611 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 4: That's going to serve him well when you get to 612 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 4: the next level, because sometimes you may not be the 613 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: most talented player, but if you can get the game 614 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 4: played on your turns, you can find a way to 615 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 4: have success. He appears to kind of know who he 616 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 4: is and what he is and He plays with a 617 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 4: confidence because he knows what he can do and what 618 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 4: he can't do. They help when you think about like TJ. Tampa, 619 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 4: another big player coming out of Iowa State and thanks awareness, 620 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 4: but doesn't necessarily have the movement and the speed that 621 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: you like. And part of that is because we haven't 622 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: really been able to assess it fully, like in terms 623 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 4: of getting it all. But he's a big corner. Anytime 624 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 4: you have corners that are over six foot that can 625 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 4: run a little bit, he gives them a chance because 626 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: now you can match up with those opposing big guys 627 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 4: and they carry Jackson to me and just look a 628 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: fantastic player. You know. He's just really good player, dynamic, explosive, 629 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 4: physical gifts after it, loves the smoke and the energy 630 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 4: and all this other stuff. It's just a matter are 631 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 4: you comfortable enough with bringing him into the lockerom making 632 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 4: sure that the environment is the right fit for him. 633 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: Because the environment is right, the coach is right, he's 634 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 4: gonna win. He's gonna win at high level. 635 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: The giant fans love a winner. 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Are 643 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 5: you ready for all that life brings? 644 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: And then I think there are a couple other slot 645 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 2: guys I think interesting, the guys that can't play slot, 646 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: maybe they go outside too. I think Andrew Phillips out 647 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: of Kentucky's a good player. DJ James out of Auburn 648 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: a little bit light, but I think he moves extremely well. 649 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: Buck Josh Newton out of TCU. What do you think 650 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: of that kind of next group after that? You know 651 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: that that first group you mentioned in terms of green 652 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: Sands are still Melton, the DJ James, the Josh Newton 653 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: is Andrew Phillips. 654 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 4: You know. I mean, I think there's value for all 655 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 4: those guys. And I think we're starting about You're talking 656 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: about more so the top of the fourth round, bottom 657 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 4: of the third round, where those guys can come in 658 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 4: the big thing when it comes to playing in the 659 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: slide and in a way, the slot defender needs to 660 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: be your best defender because he gets all the smoke 661 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 4: coming out right, and so you have to be very 662 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: nimble and very elecited to be able to handle all 663 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: that while also having a high football IQ because you 664 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 4: ask to play linebacker. Even though you're in a DV body, 665 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 4: you have to play linebacker. So how you fit inside 666 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: and outside of this game all matters. So you've got 667 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 4: to be you know, you got to get through an 668 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: experienced player in the slide to be able to get 669 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 4: it done, even though I do like the guy that 670 00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: you're moving to. 671 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: When would you start thinking about picking a safety in 672 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: this draft? And the Giants it looks like with their 673 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator Shane Bowen, they're going more to your 674 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: traditional split safety type of thing where you need guys 675 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: to be pretty versatile, to be able to move up 676 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: or down. Your thoughts when that first safety should go 677 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: based on the value of the players in the position, 678 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: and then which guys you might like in that type 679 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: of defense. 680 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 4: First Tafe you should go, Tyler Newman should go. I 681 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: would say like mid second round that's when they kind 682 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 4: of go. I think people are still trying to understand 683 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 4: what exactly is the safety and how do we quantify 684 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: what he adds. But I would tell you that the 685 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 4: safety prevents the d ball from all over the top 686 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: of the defense keeps everything in front like just you know, 687 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 4: just they're able to do it. So to me, it's 688 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 4: about like as we just go back and we reflect 689 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 4: on the class, it's about making sure we go back 690 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: to the main point. Hey man, you can't go wrong 691 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 4: taking really really good players. Let's focus on the players 692 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: that fit into what we do. Let's not worry about 693 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 4: the fanfare on the outside. Let's make sure that we've 694 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 4: done the necessary work to look at them and say, Okay, 695 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 4: they fit, they fit our culture, they fit how we 696 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: want to play, they fit how we want to play 697 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 4: in two three years, if you get enough of those 698 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 4: players on just why the results and all this stuff 699 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 4: can naturally happen and take care of themselves. 700 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: Giants have Dexter Lawrence, the defensive tackle book, broke the Buckie. 701 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: They have They just on Jordan Phillips, another big nose 702 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: tackle type of guy. 703 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: What three techniques do you like? On day two? 704 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: I know you have Breeden fisk A row row, Chris Jenkins, 705 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: Makai Wingle. There's a lot of guys, Michael Hall, which 706 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 2: one of those guys do you think you can get 707 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: really good value at in day as a guy that 708 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: you want to be able to get upfield and attack gaps. 709 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 4: Look, man, you can't go wrong with like investing in 710 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: the family business. So let's go with Chris Jenkins Junior. 711 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 4: Because his dad was an All Pro player, two time 712 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 4: All Pro player, played for US when I was in 713 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: Carolina in the front office, and just his dad is 714 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: just a nationale animal. And I'm just thinking any of that, ooh, 715 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 4: it's gonna be like problematic. And so when I see 716 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: Chris and his ability to kind of colast to pat 717 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: the packet, to be able to get after to be 718 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: an up, high energy tempo player. Uh, he didn't get 719 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 4: out of debt all the way from dead, but he 720 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: certainly had the bloodlines to get it. And also, when 721 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 4: you got an uncle colin Colin Jenkins who also had 722 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 4: a nice career in the league, you're coming fully equipped 723 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 4: the training camp knowing how to play and how to 724 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: get things done right away. 725 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin former Giant at the end of his career 726 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 2: as well. Good dude, and absolutely really good bulle of 727 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: lines there. How late, Bucky, do you think you can 728 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: wait if you want to try to get a running 729 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: back that can split some time with Devin Singletary and 730 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: Eric Gray and be a part of that room. Can 731 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: you wait till round four? Can you stretched around five? 732 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: When would you try to attack that position if you 733 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: the Giants, given the other needs you have on the roster. 734 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 4: Know what position we're talking about again? Oh, running back? 735 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 4: So now when we go to running back, like, there'll 736 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 4: be plenty of running backs that are available on day three, 737 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 4: and they're gonna be good running backs that are available. 738 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 4: If I'm not in a hurry to get it done, 739 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 4: I'm gonna wait. I'mna wait to this round to be 740 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: able to kind of like get into it and find 741 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: my player guys that are of interest that could be available. 742 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 4: Frank Goorg Junior could be there. Not necessarily the fleet 743 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: is afoot, but man, just a natural runner Jit or 744 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 4: Blug can scoot through and make plays happen. Bucky Irving 745 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: is another one that can kind of do it like 746 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 4: make make plays on a pamet, but also can kind 747 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 4: of run downhill a little bit. I'll give you a 748 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 4: big surprise because I know giants love I mean they 749 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 4: absolutely love Wisconsin guys. Going on our way back to 750 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 4: round day. And how about Braylen Allen, a big running 751 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 4: back from Wisconsin physical for whatever reason, didn't get a 752 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: lot of opportunities this last year. But this dude can play. 753 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 4: And I think if you look at the way the 754 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 4: Bills have played snug, they want to they want to 755 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 4: play a physical brand. He's used that he played at Wisconsin, 756 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 4: knows how to get down. 757 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: All right, two more position questions, But before I get 758 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: your prediction at six height end, I think is interesting. 759 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: I only have I think three players and brock Bowers 760 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: Round one two players with with with Day two grades, 761 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: who are maybe some of your Day three tight ends 762 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: that that kind of jump out to you specifically that 763 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: you really like that coup that could provide some value. 764 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 4: Uh, let's see THEO Johnson and fanned State is a 765 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 4: guy that could find his way down there, super athletic, 766 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 4: free tore it up at the combine. Body beautiful kid. 767 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 4: Meaning when you hear me say body beautiful guy, that man, 768 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 4: if he's the first one off the bus, you feel like, 769 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 4: oh boy, I mean bad we got a bad hand. 770 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 4: So I would say Theo Johnson is one. Dalla Holker 771 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 4: from Colorado State is another one. Really showed up and 772 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 4: performed well at the East West Rine game. Uh. Those 773 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 4: two guys that will keep it close out. 774 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: And then how about interior offensive line. 775 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: The Giants want to continue to show up their guard 776 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: spot any day. Two or three guys that that really 777 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: jump out at you, that that you like, that could 778 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: contribute you thinking guard and maybe eventually develop into a starter. 779 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, there's some guys and you guys have been 780 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 4: in the northeast, will right on the northeast and we'll 781 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 4: go to Yuka and we'll go get Chris Haynes, who 782 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 4: is not only a high motor player, plays the game 783 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 4: the right way, is built to play the game the 784 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 4: right way. Just being able to kind of have that 785 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 4: small lebrolla mentality at the point of attack is important. 786 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 4: It's important for a run heavy team. So I would 787 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 4: think Hayes has an opportunity to go and be a guy, 788 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 4: and then everybody else is kind of like a hot 789 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 4: podge of like, oh, I played multiple sports, I do 790 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 4: all this or whatever. So but there's some other good 791 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 4: guys that are available to smother ones that are making 792 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 4: Cooper BB will be one of those that falls a lot. 793 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 4: But you get investigating and really be open about how 794 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 4: you want to play them so everyone knows what they're 795 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 4: getting into. 796 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: And then finally, when all said and done, obviously it 797 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 2: depends what happens one through five. What do you think 798 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: eventually the Giants do and they pull the trigger at 799 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 2: number six, I. 800 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 4: Think as much as they try and get up, I 801 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 4: think they end up falling. Sure, I think they end 802 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 4: up getting a Constellation prize and not the quarterback who 803 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 4: wanted to Playmakers and the platemaker that gets. 804 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: Which is, by the way, not a bad consolation prize. 805 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 2: By the way, I think you very happy if that 806 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 2: ends up happening. But good stuff anything you want to 807 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 2: put out there, promote anything that dropped you beside the 808 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: stuff I mentioned with the network. 809 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 4: No, man, it's all good. I really appreciate you having 810 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 4: me on. It's always fun at the time of year. 811 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 4: I look forward to seeing what have the Giants full 812 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 4: laws with the number. 813 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 2: You guys must be right in the middle of your 814 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 2: high school summer practice A. I would imagine right at this. 815 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: Point you rolling. 816 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 4: We're rolling a little bit. We just we're just beginning 817 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 4: to kind of kick it off and run around and 818 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 4: do stuff, but it's fun, a lot of fun. 819 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: Bucky Brokes, Nphone Network, thanks for joining us on the 820 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: Giants Little Podcast. 821 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: Everybody will see you next time.