1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Let's do this front off sunfiltered with resident GM Jim Bowden, JB. 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Good to see you, and we want to do a 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: market check with you. There are still big names on 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: the list that you put together for the athletic it's 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: almost all pitching. So I figure we start there, Framburn Gallin, 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Framber Valdez, Zach Gallen. What do you think, where do 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: you see these markets shoring up? And do you have 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: any teams in mind for them? 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's start with Framber Valdez because he's the 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: best pitcher. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 3: On the market. 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: And this is a guy at thirty two years old 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: that is consistent, got tremendous ground ball ability here can 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: also miss bats, has proved he can pitch on the 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: biggest stage in the biggest moments. Yes, he comes with 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: a little bit of baggage for crossing up the catcher, 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: which teams want to kind of understand. But the market 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: has kind of fallen for him, and the market wasn't 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: what he was expecting. 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: He was expecting a long term. 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: Deal with a five or six your type of deal 22 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: and it's just not there for him. And so now 23 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: you know, what does he do? Does he get a 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: short term deal? With opt out. So it's been kind 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: of fascinating watching Framber. Of all the free agents out there, 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: he's the one that's kind of it's kind of puzzling 27 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: how he doesn't have a home yet now when I 28 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: talk to gms throughout the sport, everybody over the weekend 29 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: kept telling me he'll probably end up in Baltimore. 30 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: Everybody thinks he's going to end up there. 31 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: But we're kind of waiting on Framber to understand that 32 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: the offers on the table is all he's going to get. Like, 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: there's not going to be more money, there's not going 34 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: to be more years, so why wait longer? I don't know, 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: but I will say this, he fits with so many teams. 36 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: The problem is a lot of teams don't want to 37 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: spend the money. He fits for the Giants, I mean 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: to put him at the top of the rotation with 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Logan Webb and Robbie Ray. Makes a lot of sense 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: when they're trying to get a wild card spot. I 41 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: think he fits with Detroit because I think eventually they're 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: going to have to trade school between now and the 43 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: trade deadline. The Phillies, I think after losing out on Bishett, 44 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: why not try to get Valdez on a short term 45 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: deal to replaced Ranger Suarez because you don't know for 46 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: sure what Wheeler is going to look like coming off 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: the IL. You don't know if Noah's going to have 48 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: a bounce back year of Andrew Paynter, another year away 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: from Tommy John is going to live up to the potential. 50 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: So it's a fit there. 51 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: And Atlanta was kicking the tires on Valdez as well. 52 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: So those are kind of the five teams that I 53 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: keep hearing. But everybody in the industry thinks eventually he 54 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: goes back to Baltimore. But they're kind of downplaying it too. 55 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: They're like, you know what, Zach Efflin's the last medicals 56 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: on him were really good. We feel good about our 57 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: five man rotation. But I still think, probably Scotty, that 58 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: that's the spot he ends up based on what everybody's 59 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: telling me. 60 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 4: Now, the Dodgers, we assume are probably out of this. 61 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: So what team if it becomes a short term Dodgers 62 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 4: type of Hey, we're going over the top for a 63 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 4: one year type of contract, what team do you feel 64 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 4: like comes to the forefront. 65 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 5: Then of the ones that you mentioned for Framberg, I would. 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: If I was a guest, I would guess the Phillies 67 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: because Dave Dobrowski's always been about the star players. That's 68 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: how he has built all his teams. Dave's going to 69 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: go to the Hall of Fame someday, right, And he 70 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: won a world championship in Boston and Detroit, and you know, 71 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: he had Montreal with a tremendous record when he was there, 72 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: took the Marlins do a world championship. You know, he 73 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: was trying to win one there in Philadelphia. Now he 74 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: knows how to do it, and he does it with star players. 75 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, if the market completely falls 76 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 2: for him, I can see Dave. Look if Dave had 77 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: the kind of money to land Bashett, if that was 78 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: available to him, I can see him jumping in at 79 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: the last minute. So outside of Baltimore, I would guess Philadelphia. 80 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: I'll tell you if I'm in San Francisco or Detroit, 81 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: I'd be in there too. 82 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 6: I want to switch gears here to another pitcher, Zach Gallen. 83 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 6: I talked about a little bit earlier with the crew here. 84 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 6: I'm surprised another kind of guy where I thought he 85 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 6: still has a couple more years left in the tank. 86 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 6: I thought he'd get picked up rather quickly. You think 87 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 6: about a Yankee team who's going to be struggling this year, 88 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 6: especially in the beginning of the year with a couple 89 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 6: guys that are down. He always pitches well on Queen's Like, 90 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 6: do you see him in the Northeast? Like what you 91 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 6: been hearing about Zach new Jersey guy too as well. 92 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he ish Todd Father. You know, Look, he's another 93 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: Scott Boris client, So he's going to go wherever the 94 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: best offer is. That's what most Boris clients do. You 95 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: have to keep in mind Arizona really does want to 96 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: bring him back, and Arizona is the only team where 97 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: he's not tied to draft pick compensation. Now, part of 98 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: the problem with Gallan, as you guys know, is he 99 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: didn't have a good platform year. He went backwards. The 100 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: stuff wasn't quite the same, and so the question has 101 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: to be was it mechanics, was it health? Was it 102 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: the pressure of being on a free agent contract? You 103 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: know which one of those three was it? And I 104 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: think every team has to kind of figure out what 105 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: that is. But I will say this, I've been told 106 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: that he has a robust market, And besides Arizona, I've 107 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: heard Atlanta, Baltimore, San Francisco, Detroit, and quote unquote more so, 108 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: there's a lot of market out there. And you know 109 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: the Boris Corporation right now, Gallen is their number one 110 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: free agent left, so they're dealing with that, and they're 111 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: dealing with the arbitration case of Scoobol. So Gallan though, 112 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: is next on their checklist. So you know, I anticipate 113 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: something probably happening, maybe as early as the end of 114 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: this week. If I was a betting person, it would 115 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: be go back to Arizona on a two year deal 116 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: with an opt out after year one. The idea is, 117 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: let me get him two years in case he gets 118 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: injured or has another down year to protect them, but 119 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: let me get him back on the market next year 120 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: when he's not tied to draft pick compensation. 121 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: So if I had to bet, that's where Gallon goes back. 122 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 4: Jamie, talk to us about evaluation. Evaluating Zach Gallen. When 123 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: you were a GM, you didn't have all this analytics. 124 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: You had a radar gun, you had your scouts eyes, 125 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: and you had the results of what the hitters did. 126 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: If that's all we had today, and I know they 127 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: have so much more to evaluate. Guys, how do you 128 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: evaluate what Zach Gollan did in one year when the 129 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: five previous years you're talking about one hundred to one 130 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty million dollar pitcher. 131 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. So let me give you 132 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: my GM territory angle here. So as a GM, what 133 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: I would do is I would be calling in all 134 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: of my pitching people, right and the analytic people, and 135 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: my question would be the same one I just raised 136 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: a minute ago. I would say, why did Gallan have 137 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: a down year? Tell me what the science says in 138 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: terms of what his mechanics were this year, how the 139 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: arm came out, where the release point was, the arm speed, 140 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: the angle, the deception. Give me all the physical things 141 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: compared to when he was pitching well, and tell me 142 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: what the difference is. Number two, if I was engaged 143 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: with him, I would ask permission to get an MRI 144 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: on the shoulder and the elbow to make sure there 145 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: is no issues there and to make sure that there's 146 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: no issues anywhere else and make sure it's not a 147 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: medical situation. 148 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 3: And I think when I got the result. 149 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: Also those two things, I would be able to make 150 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: a decision I wouldn't care as much about if it 151 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: ended up being some pressure on a free agent year, 152 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: that wouldn't bother me at all. I talked to Zach 153 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Allen in the past. 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I know all the things 206 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: you just mentioned, this stuff went down, his results weren't there. 207 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: But this is a guy, like I said, that was 208 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: a nine figure pitcher locked guaranteed coming into this year. 209 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: The qualifying offer every year has a victim. Is he 210 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 4: the victim of it this year? Or is this just 211 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 4: a circumstance of what happened on the field. 212 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think he's going to do okay 213 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: because another Boris client a year ago I didn't think 214 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: had any chance of getting the qualifying offer, and Nick 215 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 2: Martinez got it from the Reds and got paid over 216 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: twenty million dollars. His representatives are so good that I 217 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: think that I think he'll at the very least be 218 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: able to get a one year deal at the qualifying offer. 219 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: I believe that'll be there. I don't think he'll have 220 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: to do a Nick Pavetted deal that the Padres ended 221 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: up doing, and Pavetta and basically lost his shirt over 222 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: the decision not to accept the qualifying offer. I don't 223 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: think that's the case here. I think he's going to 224 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 2: be fine. I just think it's going to have to 225 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: be a short term over an opt out. 226 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 6: I want to talk about one more guy, want a buddy? 227 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 6: My me and Gene Suarez e Heneyo at Redsfest. I 228 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 6: was at a couple or two weeks ago, and I'm thinking, 229 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 6: I'm like talking to some guys. They say he'd be 230 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 6: a good fit over there. Bring him back to Cincinnati. 231 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 6: Have you ever heard any talks with Cincinnati and other 232 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 6: teams as well? Because this guy can hit some homers, 233 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 6: and I understand, you know, he struck out a lot too, 234 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 6: but he's a good he's a really good defender, and 235 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 6: he's got some pop that he could bring to any team. 236 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So in terms of the Reds, I'm not sure 237 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: the fit. I guess he could DH maybe there, but 238 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: certainly not gonna play third day at Cabrian Hayes there. 239 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to play first over the 240 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: young players. He could DH there. You know, I think 241 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: the best fits to me would be Boston, Pittsburgh, maybe 242 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: even Seattle again, but Boston Pittsburgh are the best fits. 243 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: But there's not a market for him, and it's puzzling 244 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: after forty nine home runs. So I actually talked to 245 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: a GM this morning on a team that's a non 246 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: contending team, and I said, one, you sign Suarez, since 247 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: you have a spot for him that makes sense in 248 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: the lineup and have a need, why don't you sign 249 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: him for the first half of the year, let him 250 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: hit his twenty home runs in your ballpark, and then 251 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: trade him at the deadline for a prospect. And his 252 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: response to me kind of raised my eyebrows, right, he said, well, 253 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: look at what he did last year. He was hitting 254 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,239 Speaker 2: forty nine homers and we got to the trade deadline 255 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: and there was no trade market for him, and Arizona 256 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: barely got a decent return, So why would I want 257 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: to spend the money for Suarez in the first half 258 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: of the year for a fringe prospect that I trade for, 259 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: And he said, I don't think the market's any better 260 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: for him. 261 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: Look at the free agent market right now for him. 262 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: He's not getting hits. It's not like he's waiting for 263 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: a better offer. He's got people kicking the tires, but 264 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: they are not pursuing him for whatever reason. So look, 265 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: I think the fact that he's not a very good 266 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: defender at third base without a very limited range, hasn't 267 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: played a lot of so you're looking at a DH 268 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: that can play a little third and maybe you could 269 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: put him at first kind of situation. But the market, 270 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: believe it or not, because it's hard to fathom. But 271 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: a forty nine homer guy just isn't doesn't have the 272 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: market right now. You know, Boston's worried about the defense. 273 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh doesn't. I don't think wants to spend much money 274 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: anymore after what they've already spent this offseason. So I 275 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: find it fascinating where he's at. But the market just 276 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 2: hasn't been there. There's nothing imminent. He's not close to anything, 277 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: and I think somebody should swoop in and take a 278 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: chance on him and your idea, Todd father of the Reds, 279 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: if they wanted DHM certainly makes sense to me. 280 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: In that ballpark, it's so. 281 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: Crazy me forty nine home runs and you just you're 282 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: getting crickets. It seems like somebody's like colluding to anyway. 283 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 4: I won't even I won't even go there, but I'm 284 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 4: gonna ask one last pitching question about your list. Yeah, 285 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: give me the most value on this list, is it? 286 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 287 00:13:59,000 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 5: Perfect? 288 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? I love Chris Bassett. 289 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: I don't think people realize how consistent he is year 290 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: in and year out. He takes the ball, he makes 291 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: thirty starts, his keeps his eheria under four. And this 292 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 2: is going to be a core Whoever gets him, this 293 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: is gonna be a quality sign. I keep thinking Aj 294 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: Preller of the Padres is going to jump in and 295 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: grab him, right. I mean, he desperately needs another starting 296 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: pitcher there. The only really they've done this offseason is 297 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: Michael King. I think he would be a perfect fit 298 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: pitching half his games there in San Diego in that 299 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: great weather at his age. But I think he's going 300 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: to be a real value because he's consistent. No, he's 301 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: not a one, two or three, and probably the stage 302 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: of his career is a four. But I can count 303 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: on thirty starts and that is so important, as you 304 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: guys know, I. 305 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 6: Want to switch gears again here, Andrew McCutcheon. I know 306 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 6: you've seen this whole situation, and you know, social media 307 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 6: is a really beautiful thing and it also can be 308 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 6: a detriment too as well. 309 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: They talk about legacy. 310 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 6: How you know, some fans ask sharing to about our 311 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 6: ben sharing thing about you know, what about Andrew McCutchen. 312 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 6: You know, they talk about he had a three year 313 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 6: deal and they you know, that was just kind of 314 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 6: going away party kind of deal. But a fan says 315 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 6: pretty much, I know, like listen, we've had him already. 316 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 6: We were trying to win, and McCutchen comes back and 317 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 6: has a nice little tweet about it. You know, you're 318 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 6: not going to tell me my story, So go into 319 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 6: that a little bit and talk a little about what 320 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 6: you think about this whole situation. 321 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 322 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: So, I mean, number one, when you're running a franchise, 323 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: you got to be sensitive to the people that have 324 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: been the face of the franchise, right and when you 325 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: think of the Pirates until Paul Skeen's got there. Andrew 326 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: McCutchen has been the face of the franchise basically over 327 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: the last decade. 328 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: Right. 329 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: Yes, he left to go to San Francisco and the Yankees, 330 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: but he's been a Pittsburgh Pirate. He has been great 331 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: with the front office, he's been great in the community. 332 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: He has been the fabric of class and dignity representing 333 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Pirates on and off the field. Yes, agent declined, 334 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: has gotten him, without a doubt. I think if you're 335 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: running the Pirates and you get to Septen and you've 336 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: made the decision you're not going to bring him back. 337 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: You call Andrew McCutcheon into your office and you say, look, 338 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: you've had a great career here. 339 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: We're going to move on from you. 340 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: We've made that decision, and we want to give you 341 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: the opportunity if you want to either retire or allow 342 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: us to have an Andrew McCutcheon Day on the last 343 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: day of the season and honor you in front of 344 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: the fans. 345 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: That's how you do it, right. 346 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: And then when you get to the off season, if 347 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: you're going to sign them as your twenty six guy, 348 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: then go do a deal and get him signed as 349 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: your twenty six guy and make sure he's at Pirates 350 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: best right. 351 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: You don't want to leave it in limbo. 352 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: And the last thing you can't do with the face 353 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: of the franchise is not communicate with the player and 354 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: tell him exactly where you stand and why, and treat 355 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: him with class and dignity. 356 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: Because Andrew McCutcheon is. 357 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: A human being for all he's done for Pittsburgh deserves that, 358 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: and by the way, also deserves to be given a 359 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: job in their front office or on the field on 360 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: the staff if he wanted it when he's done playing. 361 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: So I think the entire situation has been mishandled by Pittsburgh. 362 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: I think they have time to correct it, and I 363 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 2: hope that they do. I still think he's got something 364 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: left in the tank. I think it's probably as an 365 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: extra outfield or part time DH kind of role, but 366 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: there's still a spot for him, and I think if 367 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: he wants to play one more year, I think the 368 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: Pirates owe it to him to give him one more 369 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: year because he can still play. 370 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 5: And I can add on this. 371 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: One of my good friends and somebody I saw make 372 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: his big League debut from playing with him in Triple 373 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: A and seeing him get called up. He loves the 374 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: city of Pittsburgh. He hasn't just played there. He loves 375 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 4: the city of Pittsburgh. So my last question to you 376 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 4: is another aging veteran who is looking possibly we had 377 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 4: some conflicting reports you Darvis situation. What's your take on 378 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 4: the whole U Darvis situation and how it was handled, 379 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: how it's being handled, and how it should be handled. 380 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you hate for that kind of stuff to leak 381 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: out where it doesn't originally come from a press conference 382 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 2: from the player. When a player is forty three million 383 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: left on the contract, don't really want a writer to 384 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 2: leak out that he's going to retire. And quickly Joel Wolf, 385 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: his agent, jumped in and said, wait, wait, wait, wait, 386 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: wait a minute, these decisions have been made yet. And 387 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: I remember, as you guys know, his agent gets about 388 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: two million of that forty three million left right with 389 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: his with his percentage, so he's affected as well. There 390 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: have been players, as you know, historically, that have walked 391 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: away from a lot of money. Gil Mesher the Royals 392 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: back in the day, walked away from a huge contract, 393 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: something most people don't do. Steven Strasburg got paid his 394 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 2: full amount to walk away from, you know, his team, 395 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: the Washington Nationals. That was because of injury, which Darvish 396 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 2: is injured right now too, so that so he got 397 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: completely paid. Gil Mesh walked away from it. But the 398 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: Players Association historically doesn't want players to walk away for 399 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 2: the guarantee money. They don't want to set precedent for 400 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 2: the rest of the players. 401 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: That it's okay to do that. So there's a little 402 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: pressure there. 403 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: There's a little pressure from the agent and the money 404 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: he's gonna make. And then there is kind of is 405 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: you're a compromise in the middle where if you do 406 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: walk away, uh, maybe you pay me half of what's 407 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: left and I'll walk away from the other. 408 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: But the whole idea of having. 409 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: An article come out there he's retiring, he's going to 410 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: walk away from forty three million. 411 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: It doesn't help anybody because if you're a. 412 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: Fan like, oh, yeah, he's walking away from that, we'll 413 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 2: go sign Framber Baldez. We'll take the money and give 414 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: it to Framber now, yay, you know it's you don't 415 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: want that, right, And then the other thing is the 416 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: darbish is he really ready to not try to fight 417 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: back from Tommy John and and pitch again. So I 418 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: think the sometimes in today's social media, information gets out 419 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: before you want it to get out. 420 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: You know. 421 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 2: I always have told players in my career, you know, 422 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: don't say anything until you're ready to make a decison, 423 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: to make sure you've talked to your family, the agent, 424 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: the team, and work everything out, because there's a lot 425 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: of people that get involved when you sit there and 426 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: you want to retire and you've got forty three millions 427 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: still on the books. 428 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: At corner let sizzle, Well, we're starting to learn more 429 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: and more about players that are either in or out 430 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: for the World Baseball Classic. Actually, this one came in 431 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: hot just during our conversation. Not only do we know 432 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: most of the roster I guess for Team Japan, but 433 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: I think there was a drop of questioning about Yamamoto. 434 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he's pitched so much for the Dodgers, and 435 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: then leading up to October he's in confirmed. So just 436 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: wanted to throw that out there. We just saw a 437 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: tweet from Alden Gonzalez there's one in. Here's one out 438 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: for Team Venezuela. Jose Altuve, who got hurt last time 439 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: around at the World Baseball Classic. Wow, this time Astros 440 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: say no, A team can't force a player not to go, 441 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: but they can request it. Altuve is a franchise, lifelong 442 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: dude there, and they clearly had a conversation. He was 443 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: looking to get cleared. I saw a tweet that I 444 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: had actually sent through this morning about Altove talking to 445 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: the press about how he wanted to play. But maybe 446 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: it's a tougher sell todd father because he had gotten 447 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: hurt in a prior World Baseball Classic. 448 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 6: I don't know man telling somebody they can't play for 449 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 6: their country from me and Cratsy, I feel like he 450 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 6: would agree with me on this for playing. He played 451 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 6: for two different and I played for three different USA teams, 452 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 6: And to tell me I can't do something like that, 453 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 6: that would that would sting a lot more than other 454 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 6: things do, so that that would leave a bad taste 455 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 6: in my mouth. But you know he won't participated. He listened. 456 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 6: Maybe there's something else going on. But if he's healthy 457 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 6: and everything's good to go, and they they're basically saying no, 458 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 6: I don't think it's a good idea, And you know 459 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 6: you're not getting their approval, which you really don't need 460 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 6: at the end of the day, but still for them 461 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 6: to say that, I'd be like, hmmm, that that one 462 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 6: doesn't sit well with me. 463 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: And it was a hit by pitch, I mean he 464 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: missed the first forty three games of twenty twenty three. 465 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 5: That sucks. 466 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: Right hit by a fastball from Daniel Bard ninety six 467 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: when Venezuela lost to the US in the quarterfinal game. 468 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was a highly watched game, very entertaining, 469 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: but fractured right thumb missed time. Okay, that's why I'm 470 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: just trying to come up with. I don't know if 471 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: it's an excuse, but some reason why he wouldn't be 472 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: allowed to go. Is there something else going on with 473 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: him where he's recovering from something, nothing that we know 474 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: of publicly, So maybe we'll get more context at some point. 475 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't if you were going to play WBC 476 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 4: and there was like some kind of crazy rule in 477 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 4: the WBC where like dudes will get tackled or something, yeah, 478 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 4: I get it, but you're going to play a game 479 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 4: that you're playing in spring training he got hit by 480 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: a pitch, broke his thumb. I promise at the end 481 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 4: of spring training Joseel tuv is gonna have to face 482 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 4: some dude who's like a ninety nine or a ninety 483 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: five number coming over from the backfields that probably. 484 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 5: Doesn't know where the ball's going. 485 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 4: Big League hitters accidentally hit guys like those types of 486 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: things happen. I hope that's not the reason, and I'm 487 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 4: glad that Josey said, Okay, that's fine that they came 488 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: to an agreeance because Carlos Correa still wants to play, 489 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: and they're him and Jim Crane, which I know Jim 490 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 4: Crane absolutely loves jose Al Tuve. He absolutely loves Carlos Correa, 491 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 4: and they have a different relationship than say somebody has 492 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 4: only been with an organization for a few years or 493 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 4: just signed over there as a free agent, like Jim 494 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: Crane and those guys. He knows those guys very well, 495 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 4: and I think it'll be amicable. But I think, like Hosey, 496 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 4: Josey ultimately has a final say here, so I don't 497 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 4: think he would be pissed that they didn't let him go, 498 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 4: just because, like, look, he's to be He's going to 499 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: be there for the rest of his career. He's a 500 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 4: franchise player. So there's some give and take there. So 501 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 4: maybe there's something else that we don't know. 502 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: This could be the last one that he was going 503 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: to play in. I guess he could do one in 504 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: three years or whatever. Yeah, he probably has one more 505 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: in him, so he'll probably fight harder. But sure he's pissed. 506 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 6: I mean, but he can say he can say no, 507 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 6: I love thanks for your opinion, but I'm still gonna 508 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 6: do it, you know, I mean, what are they gonna 509 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 6: be pissed off for? You know, Listen, I don't know 510 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 6: if he's if it's not a rule, you have to 511 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 6: really think about what you really want to do. And 512 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 6: I feel like anybody in their right mind I love 513 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 6: him in baseball and has a chance to play for 514 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 6: their country and anything should do it. 515 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: I agree. Carlos Kray is still waiting for the approval 516 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: process too. The only thing I want to also add 517 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: is that there is an insurance component. Clayton Kershaw couldn't 518 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: get the insurance component in gear to play last time 519 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: around Kara. Who'd be going through something like that, right, 520 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: We've had physical issues for Kreya in the past with 521 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: his contracts. I don't know. Again, that's speculation. Because we 522 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: go back to what Todd Fother said, it's Krea. 523 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 3: Being told not to play too from the Astros. 524 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: The Astros just holding back certain veteran position players. You 525 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: don't love to see that. But Crey is trying to 526 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 1: push right now. That's what we learned the other day 527 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: from him because the Astros had their fan fest. There 528 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: you go, there's a tweet from Chandler Rome still working 529 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: through certain approvals required for him to participate. If he 530 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: receives that approval, he will play for Team Puerto Rico. 531 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: So to me, if it's him and Jim Crane working 532 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: through it, owner of the team, that probably means it's 533 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: more on the insurance side. With Altuve, it sounds like 534 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: it was more on the team side. But again speculation. 535 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: For now, here's another player who wants to participate, who 536 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: will participate despite some pushback. Logan Webb in regards to 537 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: the Giants not wanting him to pitch at the WBC 538 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: said quote, Obviously they have their thoughts about it. Think 539 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: that's known, but at the end of the day, it's 540 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: my decision. 541 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: So just like that, mm hmm. 542 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 6: Love that. Take control of what you want to do 543 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 6: if you're allowed to do something. You can easily say 544 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 6: yes or no to whatever decision you want and how 545 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 6: you feel. I think that's great, agreed. 546 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: Good for you, Logan. And there are plenty of other 547 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: cases you can point to at this point, Paul Skins, 548 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: Eric Scouble who's entering his free agent year, Skiings who's 549 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: pre big contract, like, there are plenty of comps where 550 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: Logan Web could be like, I'm one of the most 551 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: durable starters in the game. 552 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 5: I'm a veteran. 553 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. I'm going to log a 554 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: few starts for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic. 555 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: Good for him. 556 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 4: Maybe he wants to pitch, Maybe he wants to pitch 557 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 4: in like real games too. Some dudes like, oh great, 558 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 4: I get to throw three innings against this team. Oh great, 559 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: we're facing We're facing the Dodgers in my next start. 560 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 4: So I'm going down to the b field. I'm going 561 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 4: down the field too because I had to throw. 562 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 6: No. 563 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 4: Instead, I'm gonna throw games against Brazil, Mexico, Great Britain 564 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 4: or Japan or like some duds just like to compete. 565 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 4: And if he gets hurt, it's also his career too, 566 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 4: not just the team losing a player. He gets that 567 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 4: players understand that and that's how important it is to 568 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 4: put your country on your back. 569 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: Yes, and Doc asked in the chat, contracts insured against 570 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: injuries that may occur at the WBC. Yes, as far 571 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: as I know, that's what they do. They pay some premium, right, 572 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: so that they can ensure these contracts in case there's 573 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: an injury in the World Baseball Classic and affects the season. 574 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 5: Right. 575 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: That's how you get teams who invest a lot in 576 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: players to say, okay, we'll give the approval for this 577 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: to happen. Teams have to prove most things for players 578 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: outside of Major League Baseball, and even though this is 579 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Baseball's event, that's part of it. They have to get 580 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: the insurance premium. So I'm sure they pay millions of 581 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: dollars to be able to ensure all the players.