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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome's my favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: That's Georgia Hart.

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Speaker 1: Start, that's Kary.

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Speaker 2: The minisodes. Yeah, we knew that it was the MINIESOD. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you're listening to minisodes, you don't need to know

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Speaker 2: who we are. What's important is the email.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, we're not going to tell you who

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Speaker 1: this is. It's a secret when it's a minisode. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you go first. Okay, hitchhiking story to the women that

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Speaker 1: have gotten me through it all. I want to start

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Speaker 1: off with a confession. I'm not even that into true crime.

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Speaker 1: I am still, however, a Day One listener, not because

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Speaker 1: of my obsession with true crime, but because of my

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Speaker 1: obsession with each of you and the inspiring friendship you share.

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Speaker 1: I am being so serious when I say that this

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Speaker 1: is the only podcast I listened to my mom, and

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Speaker 1: I've listened to every episode at least three times.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: But in the interest of everyone's time, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Every episode three times doesn't like true crime. We need

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Speaker 2: to send this person a gift pasketay.

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Speaker 1: Truly, Jesus, like a rat alday or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so sorry.

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Speaker 1: The year is twenty eleven. I'm in sixth grade and

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Speaker 1: It's my first time taking the school bus alone. My

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Speaker 1: divorced and working mother had just started the four am

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Speaker 1: shift at her job at our local grocery store, so

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Speaker 1: it was now my responsibility to make sure I woke up,

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Speaker 1: fed myself, and made it to the bus stop before

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Speaker 1: the six forty five pickup. Why do we make children

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Speaker 2: Get them ready for factory work, That's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: It's sickening to me.

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Speaker 2: Bell's early morning stop at everyone. It's based on like

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Speaker 2: farm hand Wyeah. It's like you gotta be up before

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like half of my issues with school,

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Speaker 1: I think we're because I was so fucking tired because

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Speaker 2: The most trouble I ever got into was I think

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Speaker 2: I was a junior and I got up, took a shower,

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Speaker 2: and I remember because my mom had knew bath sheets,

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Speaker 2: so they're really big, so I had one in my

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Speaker 2: hair and one around my body, and I sat back

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Speaker 2: down on my bed, fell over and went back to sleep,

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Speaker 2: and she came by because she was always trying to

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Speaker 2: get to work, yeah, and was like, God, damn it.

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Speaker 2: But I was like, obviously there was something going on

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Speaker 2: with my system that.

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Speaker 1: My child is tired. That's not something you should get

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Speaker 2: Why am I so tired? Could you figure it out?

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Speaker 2: You work at a goddamn hospital.

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Speaker 1: I would fall asleep in class every fucking day in

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Speaker 1: like fourth grade, and no one said shit about it.

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Speaker 1: That's not okay.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm anemic, Maybe I have anmic.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I have sleep apne out Hey, I do have

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Speaker 1: sleep apnea. And I found out when I was fucking thirty,

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Speaker 1: Like what they have add Oh, yeah I do too.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck?

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Speaker 2: Everyone sugar sensitivity and I'm filled with corn pops before

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Speaker 2: I come to school.

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Speaker 1: I'm a lad drink soda. Okay, that's let's digress, shall we.

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Speaker 1: But that's our that's our platform, that's our problem. Look

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Speaker 1: at us now. I don't wake up till eleven o'clock

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Speaker 1: every day. I arrived at the bus stop on time,

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Speaker 1: wait and wait and wait. After about fifteen minutes, I

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Speaker 1: began to panic. I fucked up my first day of

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Speaker 1: Is the pickup spot different from last year? My young

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Speaker 1: As I sat sobbing on the sidewalk outside of our

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Speaker 1: if I was okay. Yes, I responded, cautiously, since it

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Speaker 1: I responded, sheepishly, foolishly aware of the danger I was in.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was the fact that he claimed to work

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Speaker 1: killer lie. Or maybe it was because he scolded me

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Speaker 1: the moment I accepted to never do this again. But

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Speaker 1: He says, do you want to ride? She says okay.

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Speaker 2: Never do this, Never do this again.

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Speaker 1: You're so lucky. I'm fucking normal.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened long ago when my ex and I

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Speaker 2: picked up these two like thirteen year olds at a

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Speaker 2: gas station at one am. We're driving up to pet

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Speaker 2: Luma and they were standing around trying to make phone calls,

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Speaker 2: And they're like, all ride left us and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: get into the car. Never get into anyone's car, but

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Speaker 2: know miss Kilgareff over at Lose Sutton And they were like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah. So it was like, oh my god, thank

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Speaker 2: god it was Nevado.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: I was so mad at these girls.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing? What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Luckily they got you shamed. I had done something so risky,

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Speaker 1: but really I wouldn't have to deal with the ridicule

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Speaker 1: but it was locked, as it turns out. As it

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Speaker 1: turns out, I actually hadn't missed the bus due to

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Speaker 1: my own twelve year old negligence. That particular Monday happened

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Speaker 1: I risked my life because of a clerical error, but

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Speaker 1: I was now stranded at school. I ultimately walked to

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Speaker 1: my friend's house that lived near the school, and the

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Speaker 1: rest of the day went accordingly, But holy fuck, I

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Speaker 1: risked being abducted for what. Middle school insane SSDGM and

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Speaker 1: don't risk your life from middle school Vanessa.

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Speaker 2: Vanessa, the pressure of doing the bus correctly, it's not

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get in trouble. You're going to get

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Speaker 1: in trouble for not getting their own time, But you're

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Speaker 2: It's so much pressure for a young mind who can't

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Speaker 1: Isn't logical, doesn't know like a to B two C.

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Speaker 2: Can't go if the bus isn't here. It's not my

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Speaker 2: and go the bus never came, right, But they don't

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Speaker 2: know that that's what a fourteen year old would do,

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Speaker 2: right with twelve year old Nope, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: This is why I could never have children. I could

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Speaker 1: just couldn't let them go out into the world. I'd

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Speaker 1: be like, I haven't taught you everything.

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Speaker 2: You're at work typing. I'm getting a weird feeling.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if she's out in the world.

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Speaker 2: I hope she's not crying in a man's car somewhere. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna read it. The subject line of this

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Speaker 2: it says, Dear Karen and Georgia. I grew up in

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Speaker 2: a small coal town in northeastern Pennsylvania, right outside of Scranton. Yes,

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Speaker 2: like the office. My dad grew up in that same

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Speaker 2: small town. In the seventies and eighties. He was friends

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Speaker 2: with a kid named Joe Alicio who just didn't seem

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Speaker 2: quite right. My dad will be the first to tell

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Speaker 2: you that he got into a lot of trouble as

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Speaker 2: was on a different level animal abuse, setting fires, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Long story short. Nineteen eighty one, when he

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Speaker 2: was fifteen years old, Joe killed two children, Cheryl and

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Speaker 2: Christopher Ziemba. They were eight and four years old, and

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Speaker 2: then he rolled their bodies into a carpet and dumped

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Speaker 2: my dad's childhood home. Oh my god, the entire town

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Speaker 2: went looking for these children. My grandma tells me that

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Speaker 2: she can still hear the townspeople yelling their names and

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Speaker 2: not hearing anything back. And guess who was part of

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Speaker 2: the search party. That's right, Joe. The part that gets

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Speaker 2: to claim that Cheryl's death was an accident and that

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Speaker 2: he killed Christopher out of panic. He tried to appeal

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Speaker 2: his life sentence but got turned down. He will not

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Speaker 2: be eligible for parole until twenty forty one. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: everything you do. I saw you in Denver recently and

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Speaker 2: it made my year SSDGM THCs.

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Speaker 1: Okay man, those are the stories like your town just

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Speaker 1: never gets over. No, it stays with everyone. The entire

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Speaker 1: town's looking for a brother and a sister. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean awful. Oh my god. That's like when I picked

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Speaker 1: her the seventies and eighties. I'm like, well, everyone was

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Speaker 2: Yes, all the time, and always baffled and kind of like,

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Speaker 1: Why would this happen? Yeah, let's blame satanists.

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Speaker 2: Way, let's blame satanists because the idea of the guy

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Speaker 2: that did it is in the search party is beyond

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Speaker 2: comprehension until what the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Because you don't understand what evil looks like. It looks

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Speaker 1: like everyone else, It looks like you and me. This

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Speaker 1: is an or so we thought story. Hey MFM crew,

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Speaker 1: I've always wanted to tell the story, and now is

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Speaker 1: my time. In twenty twenty, I met my husband David

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic. We both got COVID right after meeting

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Speaker 1: and quarantined together for two weeks. Being sick like that

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Speaker 1: so crazy, but we made it out live. After a

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Speaker 1: a three day weekend trip to an airbnb in a

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Speaker 1: little town in West Virginia. On our second day there,

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Speaker 1: I was lying down near a window and saw a dog.

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Speaker 1: It was really cold, so I went outside to see

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Speaker 1: if the dog had a collar. He did have a collar,

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Speaker 1: I headed there to get the dog some food. The

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Speaker 1: Axel over there? He likes to play with all the

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Speaker 1: tourists that come by. I'm starving.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just a lazza dog.

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Speaker 1: I'm Axel. She then showed me pictures of Axel and

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Speaker 1: other dogs that like to come around frequently. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: the suckers at the airbnb, the fucking coastal Elite.

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Speaker 2: Where they're just kind of like, if you make your

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Speaker 2: It was years later? Got it in a higher mountain?

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Speaker 2: It's like straight out of a Blomhouse horror movie. Another

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Speaker 2: What does he have to do? Pass goodbye? Carrying a

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Speaker 1: Wow, ghost stories. I want the push stories more than

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Speaker 2: The cult was unwelcome in their tiny town of Antelope,

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Speaker 2: them anywhere in the state, of course. Not tough titties, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because you've got it. There's a race issue. There's just

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Speaker 2: a general new people in a country territory issue doing

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Speaker 2: something not Christian, not Christian in the lead kind of

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Speaker 2: opposite and in a community way. It's all the it's

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Speaker 2: a real perfect storm in maroon. Oh except for my

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Speaker 2: girl Scout leader. Yep, she put together a field trip

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Speaker 2: for our troop to go visit the commune in one

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Speaker 2: Saturday in nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 1: Progressive right.

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Speaker 2: Finally, my curiosity would be satiated if only I could

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Speaker 2: get my mom to sign the permission slip. But you

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Speaker 2: know what, that woman didn't even seem to consider it

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Speaker 2: before telling me no. But but all my friends are going.

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Speaker 2: I would be the only person who didn't go. Who

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Speaker 2: we would be chaperone? Why you're being so close minded, mom?

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Speaker 2: Why won't you let me go visit a cult? Her answer,

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Speaker 2: though seemingly random at the time, would bubble up in

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Speaker 2: my memory about thirteen years later when I was planning

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Speaker 2: another uncomfortable conversation with her, Why wouldn't she let me

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Speaker 2: go visit the rajniche Porum? And then the mother's answer

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Speaker 2: in quotes because there were lesbians there?

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Speaker 1: Oh No.

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Speaker 2: Although my fomo felt fatal, I guess I wasn't that

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Speaker 2: concerned about it, because I was almost thirty when I

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Speaker 2: found out zero girl Scouts went on that trip. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: parents signed those permissions signs.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Now, when I came out to my mom in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety seven. She was very loving and accepting, and I

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Speaker 2: will never stop missing her since she passed ten years later.

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Speaker 2: But Jesus Christ, Mom, you don't need a permission slip

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Speaker 2: to be a lesbian. Stay sexy and wear what feels good.

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Speaker 1: Beth, that's such a great, like full circle story. Why

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Speaker 1: didn't you want me to go? Because you will become

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Speaker 1: the thing you are? Oh guess what? Yeah, I'm the

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Speaker 1: thing that you didn't you want for a reason.

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Speaker 2: But also did you know they also have machine guns there, right,

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Speaker 2: and all the kinds of shit you would be very

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Speaker 2: worried about.

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Speaker 1: The lesbians with machine guns are like the least of

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Speaker 1: your fucking worries, I promise you. Hey, lesbians with machine guns,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you, truly would. What's going

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Speaker 2: on in Ben's let us know? And also stay sexy

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Speaker 2: and don't get murdered.

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