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Speaker 1: Okay, Denise Richards, we meet again. It was supposed to

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Speaker 1: which we're going to do in the new year, but

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Speaker 1: of us, not you know, just a discussion. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's just get housekeeping out of the way. When I

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Speaker 1: saw you in New York, I said to you that

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Speaker 1: And then me as a viewer, I didn't even see

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Speaker 1: promos than about this upside down jacket. So what did

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Speaker 2: Well, I actually didn't even watch the show, and I

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Speaker 2: Garcelves her screening and all of that. I believe they

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Speaker 2: I you know, it is what it is, you know.

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Speaker 2: I was asked by garcel hey, would you go to

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Speaker 3: I will, I'll go and do it.

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Speaker 2: And I found it a little odd to have someone who

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Speaker 1: Interesting to begin with, yes, and interesting.

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Speaker 2: And I voyce that I do not do weed, I

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Speaker 3: And so okay, yeah, no, I was.

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Speaker 2: I went sideways there and came home and Aaron was like,

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Speaker 3: And I go, I don't know. I've never been like that.

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Speaker 1: What do you say? What happened? Did you drink before?

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Speaker 1: Did you take something? Did you mix something?

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Speaker 2: I had a drink before I went, and that I

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Speaker 2: And then when I was there, I felt, first of all,

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Speaker 3: I'm sick. And I did three COVID tests.

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Speaker 2: I said, okay, because I didn't want to cancer. I

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Speaker 3: Up or whatever, because I'm not what. I've been a

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Speaker 2: Yes, But progressively during the evening I felt worse and worse,

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Speaker 1: So were you on cold medicine or something like?

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Speaker 3: Do you what?

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Speaker 2: And I told Joel, our publicist. I gave her a

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Speaker 1: So you think it's something with maybe the cold medicine

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Speaker 2: And even there, I remember I only had a half

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Speaker 1: It's just a perfect campy thing to laugh about. So

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Speaker 2: I just didn't understand I have such a big deal

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Speaker 3: Why would you interesting party?

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Speaker 2: She does this with everyone and especially me? Anytime you

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Speaker 2: Interesting because and that's why I was like stop, do

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like there's always a connection to your parents. She's always

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Speaker 2: Yeah, always, Not once have I seen her? Has she

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Speaker 1: So interesting, that's funny. That's very housewives too, that like

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Speaker 2: I did try it on for my glam after and

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Speaker 1: Oh, like some sweaters you don't know where the arms are.

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Speaker 3: It's like this.

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Speaker 2: Fathery thing and I just wanted to get out and leave.

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Speaker 2: I didn't care if I could have left the jacket

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Speaker 1: Well, people are laughing, which I think, Oh that's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't so you don't have to

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Speaker 3: We don't. He didn't even watch when we were on it.

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Speaker 3: He thinks all the women are crazy?

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Speaker 2: Teams that He's like, whatever you want to do, I

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Speaker 1: I liked him a lot. I liked him a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd liked him a lot. I was actually excited

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Speaker 2: I don't I know what when you get a certain age,

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Speaker 3: At a night.

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Speaker 2: Who has not in their life done like that? Unfortunately

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Speaker 3: Have it, I don't know. But whatever it was one night, it.

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Speaker 2: Was on television for two episodes that I have to live.

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Speaker 1: Kim Passenger on Blind Date not that bad. That was

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: So like, yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: But because I have gone through so much, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: It's nothing, and the stuff they were accusing me of,

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, you've been you know, you've been through

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Speaker 1: And I often think about that regarding like there are

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Speaker 1: and I'll post something and the more hate it's getting,

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Speaker 1: cells now and used to be sex cells.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you with hate cells, because that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: That's where it starts with like the tabloids, the magazines

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Speaker 1: It's sad. But what I'm saying to you is that

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Speaker 1: that I would do this and that people would want

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Speaker 3: I know, it's the society we're living in, Yes,