1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: I can't believe I threw up in front of Broniana. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Heu Bronanian the alternator had a problem. The vehicle owner 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: had was confused. He said, Gee, it's new. How could 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: new be bad? And I know every one of my 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: loyal listeners out there is going new means never ever worked. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: Give a lot of talk from now on the Car Doctor. 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: You know there's one thing I'm pretty sure. If you 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: give me a car that's broken and it's got a 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: failure in it, we'll figure it out. I have ten 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: thou marvels. Welcome to the radio home of ron Andanian 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners the 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: the phone and call in the garage orders are open, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: five five five six and now he is running. 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I'm 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: just glad to be here and be here with you, 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: So I suffice it to say more information about this show. 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot com also over a tune in 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: my heart. iTunes all the places to get podcasts and 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: click subscribe, and you're doing that. We appreciate it. We 48 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: see the change in our numbers and we noticed that. Um, 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's working. So you're giving us immunition 50 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: to go back to the sponsors. And obviously, at the 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: end of the day, the part of this is a business, 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: even though I gotta tell you it's kind of net. 53 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: You get to be up here and uh do radio 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: every day, um, every weekend, and um, you know, just 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: just a great thing to be able to do. Automobiles 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: are always changing and it wouldn't be fitting. And we've 57 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: gone way too long without speaking to our our our 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: next conversationalist, our our our next caller or interviewee, um, 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: Paul Eisenstein of the Detroit Bureau. Paul has been away 60 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: from us for far too long and them it's time 61 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: to bring him back, and we're doing that right now 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: as we kick off this hour of the Car Doctor, 63 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Mr Eisenstein, how are you today, sir, Good, good to 64 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: be with you. That's been a while. Yeah, it's been 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: a while. We've just you know, the time just flies 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: by and we lose track of it and we go, 67 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: holy cow, it's the end of the model year. And um, 68 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, we think we're car guys, so we think 69 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the model year for us, the years over, 70 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: the seventeens are going away and the eight teens are 71 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: coming out. Um, And we said, well, you know, we 72 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: want to find out what's current, what's what's what's going 73 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: away that we may not like? What what some comments 74 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: about what's coming up? And we thought we'd come to 75 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: the definitive source, that being you and um, the Detroit Bureau. 76 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: So what else is going on? What's now? Oh? Well, 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: let's see. You know, I've got to tell you something funny. 78 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about all the years you've been around. 79 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: I've been covering the business since nineteen seventy nine, believe 80 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: it or not. And h I just stopped for lunch. 81 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm out at my cottage, which is out in your 82 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: pinky if anybody knows where that is north of ann Arbor, Michigan, 83 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: a little lakefront place, and just stopped in local restaurant 84 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: for for lunch. And I was looking at a couple 85 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: of kids who uh finished up gotting their car, drove away, 86 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: and I realized, my gosh, they were born in the 87 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: new millennium. Uh and even even weirder. We talked about 88 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 1: Gen X then we've talked about millennials, but it means 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: that the next generation, what is that Gen Z is 90 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: already driving. You know. It's uh, it's quite fascinating how 91 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: quickly the generations go, and also trying to figure out 92 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: what each of those generations is going to want from 93 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: cars and what they're going to experience, not too just 94 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: in future. I can tell you the impact that I 95 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: think they are having on cars, the Y s and 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: the x is and the z s to come is 97 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: you can see it in the taste you know for 98 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: older cars. Kids look at certain year cars, UM, thirty 99 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: nine packards, it's it's an old car. You know, we 100 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: see it for what it is and that piece of history. 101 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: But the kids today don't see that there. You know, 102 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: I want to tune or Honda, or Tune or Subaru 103 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: and um, it's going to turn the economics of of 104 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: car collecting I think upside down as the generations you know, 105 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: fade away and the new generations come in that will 106 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: be interesting to watch if I'm here. Yeah, Now here's 107 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: an interesting thing. They're starting to be evidence that earlier 108 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: reports of the gloom and doom of the auto industry 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: may say it the way, maybe we're starting to see 110 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: that as they get older, millennials Gen Y are actually 111 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: buying cars. Now, of course they're switching. They're not going 112 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: for sedans and coops like we did. They're going over 113 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: to SUVs and smaller ones at that are crossover utility vehicles. 114 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: And that's the big change. Here's the real question as 115 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: as the millennials get older and as this whole new 116 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: generation Gen Z and the next one, will they buy cars? Uh? 117 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: And will there be cars to buy? Uh? There's growing 118 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: growing sense that what we're going to be seeing going 119 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: out to twenty thirty and beyond will be electrified, autonomous, 120 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: or even more self driving, as in driverless cars that 121 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: will be operated by ride sharing services. And we wrote 122 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: a story on the Detroit Bureau dot com a couple 123 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: of weeks ago about one study. I think it's a 124 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: way big exaggeration, but it shows you where people are thinking. 125 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: It suggested that by something north of of the miles 126 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: that Americans clock on roads here in the United States 127 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: will be in electrified vehicles that have no driver at all, 128 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: not just somebody sitting behind the wheel waiting to take control, 129 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: completely driverless, and which are operated by ride sharing services 130 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: like maven or Lift or Uber or some of the others. 131 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: It's staggering. You saw the article a couple of weeks 132 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: back Carl Icon brought up you know, he's got the 133 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: parts side, and now he's trying to buy repair facilities 134 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: so he can control them, and I should it's really 135 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's gonna end up controlling the marketplace 136 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: because he's banking on people not owning cars either. And 137 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: then it's going to be all fleets and it's going 138 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: to be regulated repairs and consistent repairs. And you know, 139 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: and now this conversation on on Uber and self driving vehicles, UM, 140 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that you'll be able to afford the 141 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: driver car because you'll be the odd ball trying to 142 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: support something that's gonna get to be very, very expensive. Again, well, 143 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: that's true. And by the way, there's another study that 144 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: was done by an ounce called the Boston Consulting Group. 145 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: They are moderates. They only predicted the miles he will 146 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: be in those driverless, electrified self ride sharing vehicles, which 147 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: is still pretty significant. Uh. We definitely are seeing a 148 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: lot of changes now. One of the interesting things you 149 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: just mentioned repairs, and one of the things we're also 150 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: seeing is an incredible improvement in quality. And we're going 151 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: to see that not just in initial quality out the door, 152 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: but in the long term reliability. Uh. And electric vehicles 153 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: when you have a single electric drive, uh, except for 154 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: perhaps the batteries going bad. Uh, and they're they're getting better. Uh. 155 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: The amount of repairs you need, the amount of service 156 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: you need is shrink is going to shrink sharply. Uh. 157 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: You know, they're starting to see batteries that are doing 158 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: pretty darn well after a hundred even a hundred fifty 159 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: thousand miles. And as they get better. Uh, these vehicles, 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: their their batteries are gonna last a full lifetime and 161 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: in some cases have life after the vehicle goes to 162 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: the graveyard. They're now looking for ways to use batteries 163 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: after the car itself is scraped. Well, and I could 164 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: I could see that. I could see because what I've 165 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: noticed of cars and just repairing them at my level 166 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: in the last three years, that the seventeen sixteen, fifties, 167 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: even the fourteens. The more I look at them, they 168 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: look like there's as much thought into how they're made 169 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: as to how to take them apart and scrap them 170 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: safely and environmentally safe. You're you know, you you just 171 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: hit on something very very interesting. I don't know if 172 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: you happened to see. This week we had the release 173 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: of the annual JD Power Initial Quality survey or i 174 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: q S, and they talked to eighty thousand owners of 175 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: products from about was it about thirty five or so brands, 176 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: and there were some big surprises. For the second year 177 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: in a row, believe it or not, Kia, the brand 178 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: that we used to euphemistically describe as cheap and cheerful, 179 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: which usually meant pretty junkie, that was the number one 180 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: brand for two years running. The Koreans all free if 181 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: you include the new Genesis brand, all three of the 182 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: of the Korean brands were in the top ten. I 183 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: believe to guess where do you want to guess where? 184 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: Toyota and Lexus, two brands that were number one between 185 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: them half of the years. The thirty one years that 186 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: the i Q s has been done. Kyoda and Lexis 187 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: were we're together, I mounted for half of the years 188 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: being number one. Do you want to know where they 189 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: were this year? You know? Not bottom ten? UH, Toyota 190 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: was just immediately above industry average, and Lexus was the 191 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: first brand below industry average. Wow. Yeah, now even even 192 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,239 Speaker 1: more interesting, the top ten was loaded with primarily mainstream 193 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: brands Forward and UH and Volkswagen and Kia and Hyundai. 194 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: UH and mainstream brands are getting better and better. But 195 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: you said something a minute ago about manufacturers designing vehicles 196 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: to make sure you know that they go together, right, 197 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: And when I talk with Dave Sargeant, who is the 198 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: head of Automotive at JD Power, that's a key point. 199 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: You You nailed it. Manufacturers these days are really spending 200 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: a lot of time time thinking about how do we 201 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: make the customer happy, how do we build this vehicle 202 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: so it comes out of the factory right? And not 203 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: all the problems that are reported are mechanical. In fact, 204 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: that the number of busted UH busted engines and transmissions, 205 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: and when noise problems like mechanical problems are very small. 206 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: It's it's mostly these days, it's it's things like weird problems, 207 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: glitches with your entertainment system or what have you design issues, 208 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: something on the something on the data bus. Hey, Paul, 209 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: sit tight, Let me pull over and take this pause. 210 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't need to interrupt you. I just want to 211 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: let me. Let me pull over and do this, and 212 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: we'll come right back. I'm running Naming the Car Doctor 213 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: with Paul Eisenstein the Detroit Bureau dot Com. We'll both 214 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: be back talking about cars right after this. Don't go away, Hey, 215 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: welcome back on the Name of the Car Doctor. Rolling 216 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: along this hour zero nine zero zero. We're talking with 217 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Paul Eisenstein the Detroit Bureau dot com. Or hold your 218 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: calls right now, Mr Eisenstein, you're still there, sir, I 219 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: still am. I would I would expect you to be 220 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: no other place. So, by the way, how's the pussy cat? Ah? 221 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: He is cuddling up to me right now, learning new 222 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: He keeps learning new tricks, now is he? Maybe maybe 223 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm learning new tricks. He finds ways to get more 224 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: treats out of me. That's that's what it comes down. Well, 225 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: and you know, cats are really I've decided cats really 226 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: think they own humans. It's not it's not the way. 227 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: What do you mean to think it's the truth? It 228 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: really is. They know what's going on. They're no, they're 229 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: not They're not crazy. Um so pick up where you 230 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: left off. We were having a conversation there when we 231 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: went off to the break. Yeah, we were talking about 232 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: about quality and how how things have changed. So the 233 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: number one problem that that owners of vehicles run into 234 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: these days, according to JD Power in the initial quality study, 235 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: and that's just the first ninety days of ownership. It's 236 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: not not a year or two or three out. The 237 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: big problem is all that infotainment technology, audio communications uh uh, infotainment, uh, navigation, 238 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: that that sort of stuff. But here's the interesting thing. 239 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: Manufacturers are generally starting to fix set you know, what's 240 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: becoming a major problem. And this is very worrisome because 241 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: it gets back to the first thing we talked about today. 242 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: So you want to guess what what are the some 243 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: of the biggest problems that are rising fast in your vehicle. Um, 244 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: I've got to think it's well, it's it's it's obviously 245 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: in the electronics, and I've got to I've got to 246 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: think it's it's in some of the simpler stuff. I 247 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: see an awful lot of problems with security systems, you know, 248 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: anti theft and and things like that. But then also 249 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm seeing more and more with you know, rear seat 250 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: DVD players and yeah, well that's the that's the A 251 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: C and or infotament technology that's been the big problem 252 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: there where it's where it is growing fastest. And this 253 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: is worrisome. Isn't all that semi autonomous technology that we're 254 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: starting to see in cars blind spot intervention, lane departure warning, 255 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: lane keep assist, forward collision warning with auto breaking across 256 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: traffic aler and the light like and these are the 257 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle that will all need to come 258 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: together for the autonomous and driverless vehicles that we talked 259 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: about at the beginning. Those those cars that you know, 260 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: in many cases we operated by ridesharing services like Uber 261 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: or uh weymo, you know, the spinoff from Google and 262 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: all those other companies. And if if they don't start 263 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: fixing these problems, I've got to tell you, A, they 264 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: won't be able to make this stuff go on the road. 265 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: They won't be able to pull it off, or if 266 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: they do, they're gonna have more trouble. Uh when it works, 267 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: it's great, and it's pretty amazing. I had the chance 268 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: to drive in two autonomous vehicles in in UH, Japan 269 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: when I was over there just a few weeks ago 270 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: with Honda at their proving grounds. I was on their 271 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: high speed oval on there. On that two and a 272 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: half mile oval circuit UH, not only did we get 273 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: to go pretty fast, but they also set up a 274 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: couple of UH situations that would resemble what you'd run 275 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: into on a freeway, including heavy traffic cars stopping, things 276 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: like that, and the car did very, very well. The 277 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: other vehicle, which was even more advanced, simulated what you 278 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: would experience actually did experience what you would find on 279 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: real roads because we drove around the proving grounds hands free. 280 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: And this vehicle took the next step. It could see 281 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: where lines should be on roads that had no say 282 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: center line or or line marking the edge of the 283 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: road and the and the ground around it. So the 284 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: technology is coming, it's a question of whether it'll work right. 285 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I was just thinking to myself as 286 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: you were saying that, then those cars can be sold 287 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: in West Virginia, because I remember we talked in a 288 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: previous conversation, UM West Virginia was a problem because there's 289 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: no white lines on the major already of roads in 290 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: that state for whatever reason. And you know, they've they've 291 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: solved that problem, and they're about to solve that problem. Um, 292 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: you know they're going to they're trying. Yeah, they're they're trying. Um. 293 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: But it ultimately comes back to you know, and they say, 294 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: electric cars before we go into the brake, pall set 295 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: us up for the for the break. Um your thoughts 296 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: on they say, with electric vehicles, self driving vehicles rather, 297 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, self driving vehicles, there'll be no more traffic jams. Well, 298 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: they should be fewer. Uh, you know, when you when 299 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: you look at what happens on the road, a lot 300 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: of the jam ups that we see are people that 301 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: at the last minute decide they have to go from 302 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: the fastly and get off at that exit immediately. And 303 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: of course that's causes the rebound effect where you get 304 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: miles of traffic backed up because somebody did something stupid. 305 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: People don't merge very well, and you really have to 306 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: put distance between two cars. You'll be able to have 307 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: a concept called platooning where all these cars with autonomous 308 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: techno oology and vehicle to vehicle communications. We'll be able 309 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: to talk to one another. So when the car at 310 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: the front of a line, which maybe a mile down 311 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: the road, it has to break for some reason, every 312 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: car following it will know, and that will allow vehicles 313 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: in some cases to platoon or follow one another mere 314 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: inches off of each other's bumpers. If all this can happen, 315 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: If this can happen, if you'll smooth every well, you know, 316 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: I've been in cars that have been able to do this, 317 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: so we know the technology is possible. If it happens, 318 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: you'll be able to put a lot more cars on 319 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: already crowded roads, and they'll be able to emerge and 320 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: exit and do all sorts of things much more logically 321 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: than people do. And that will take a lot of 322 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: the troubles that we experienced, the unexpected slowdown where you're 323 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: doing eight suddenly you're in stop and go traffic, and 324 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: a half mile later you're doing a d again. Well, listen, 325 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: as always a great conversation, stay right where you are. 326 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: I'm on any of the car Doctor. We're talking with 327 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: the Truck Bureau dot Com. When we come back, we're 328 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: gonna get some in depth looks at Paul Eisenstein's recent 329 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: road tests in the self driving vehicles and beyond. So 330 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm not anating of the car doctor. Don't go away. 331 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: We're back right after this. Hey, welcome back. Aren't any 332 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: of the car doctor rolling along? We're talking with Paul 333 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: Eisensteiner the Detroit Bureau the Detroit Bureau dot com. Paul, 334 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: you know electric cars you've written in, UM, I want 335 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: to get this in this segment. A lot of them lately. Well, 336 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: not electric. I keep saying electric. You know. See it 337 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: shows you where my mind is right Autonomous self driving cars? 338 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: What are you saying? Okay, okay, now let's let's steal Actually, 339 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 1: let's touch on both of them. I actually have an 340 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: electrified car outside. It's the new Kia Optima plug in 341 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: hybrid electric vehicle. Uh. And I have driven in a 342 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: number or of autonomous prototypes. There are none on the 343 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: road yet, there's nothing that is actually licensed to be 344 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: sold to the public. Uh, there are many, I should 345 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: say there aren't many. There aren't any on the road 346 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: that are retail, but there are hundreds and soon to 347 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: be thousands on the road being tested on public roads. 348 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: And I'd be curious, you know, as you go through 349 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: the show later, you might want to ask the folks 350 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: who are listening. I'd be very curious to know do 351 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: they like the idea of having these autonomous vehicles tested publicly? 352 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: How do they feel I can I can. I can 353 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: answer that question now because we've we've gotten feedback as 354 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: we've talked about it over the years. I would say 355 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: of the people listening that that we talked to, don't 356 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: like the idea, do not like the idea? They publicly rejected. 357 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Very few people And it doesn't seem to be an 358 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: age thing to me. It's a human thing. It's a 359 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: control issue. It's I want my hands on the wheel, 360 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: I want to be the one driving. But very few 361 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: people and we found even less people to accept these. 362 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: We're not going to really get into. But you know, 363 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: self flying airplanes, that's a whole another conversation. Well, I 364 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: hate to tell you most airplanes right now fly pretty 365 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: much everything but the takeoff and landing. It's almost all automatic. 366 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: Now here's it's all right. So I'm going to try 367 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: to avoid politics totally, but I will tell you that 368 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: if folks out there are concerned about the idea of 369 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: having these autonomous and even fully driverless vehicles tested on 370 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: the road. UH. They may be surprised to know that 371 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: the current administration UH and Congress, the Republican Congress, are 372 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: working right now on new regulations, the whole list of 373 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 1: bills that if they are signed into law, which may 374 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: happen anytime in the coming weeks, UH, they're basically going 375 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: to take away the right of your state to regulate 376 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: autonomy vehicles. In other words, if you live in UH 377 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: New Jersey or Minnesota or Oklahoma, UH, and your regulators 378 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: have said, no, we're not comfortable with having these vehicles 379 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: driving well very soon. If this is this bill that 380 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: the GOP in the White House support, UH, your government, 381 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: your state government will have no choice but to allow 382 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: it to happen. They may have the ability to set 383 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: certain uh some minor things like the cost of insurance, 384 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: but that would be it. In fact, and here's where 385 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: there's even more people that are concerned, because the bill 386 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: might even strip the ability of the National Highway Traffic 387 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: Safety Administration to require some of these prototype vehicles that 388 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: are going to be allowed under the bill to have 389 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: to meet federal safety standards, or at least some federal 390 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: safety standards. So physically. It's a push to just say 391 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: to the industry, go ahead and start testing as anywhere, 392 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: as frequently as you want and with whatever you want. 393 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: And the all am I have with a lot of this, 394 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: I haven't heard anyone discuss the impact of self driving 395 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: cars on the economy of auto repair and and how 396 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: it's going to affect, you know, whether it's a dealer 397 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: or an independent or or or parts house or you know, 398 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna have less repair facilities, 399 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna have less places, you're gonna have less need obviously, 400 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: but you're gonna have an awful lot of people on 401 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: the unemployment line as a result, and nobody's talking about that. Yeah, well, 402 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: let's put it this way with with autonomous or let's 403 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: go the next step with driverless cars. And you know, 404 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: there's a big push to go to driverless trucks as 405 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: well delivery vehicles, you know, shuttles that go from one 406 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: uh one pickup center, you know, an Amazon facility to 407 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: another for example. Uh the pushes to go to fully 408 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: driver less there. Uh Atto, a subsidiary of Uber, is 409 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: now working on full semi trucks that would cross the 410 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: country without a driver. Now, when you think about it, ron, 411 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about how many million people in the United 412 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: States earn their living driving anything from the local FedEx 413 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: truck to the cab or the uber, the man uber 414 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: right now to the cross country heavy duty semi trucks. 415 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: So that's one area where we may see millions of 416 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: jobs eliminate it. Uh. Now there is a flip to 417 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: this all because when when we started talking, you may 418 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: recall I mentioned that we may see a situation w 419 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: anywhere from thirty or more of the miles of Americans 420 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: clock on the road could be inside of vehicles they 421 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: don't own that are run by rides sharing services like Uber, 422 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: with no driver on board and using electrified power drains. Uh. 423 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: I've asked the auto industry about this. I've asked a 424 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of executives, and there's a lot of debate over 425 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: what that will mean for car production. Some people think 426 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: we'll see a huge decline in car production, more jobs lost. 427 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: Other people say, well, wait a second, we're going to 428 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: have these vehicles on the road seven since Uh. You know, 429 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: most people now when they buy a car, they leave 430 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: them in the driveway or at work over of the day. 431 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: So these vehicles are going to be running constantly, and 432 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: that could mean that they're going to be clocking amazing 433 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: amount some miles. They could clock more in a year 434 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: than you or I put on a car in the 435 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: maybe ten or twelve years. And what will that mean 436 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: for repairs? What will that mean for trade ins? Because 437 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: will will the car companies that are operating these services, 438 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: will they be letting the car's last two miles? Uh? 439 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: And even if they do, does that mean that once 440 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: a year every car operated by these ridesharing services will 441 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: have to be replaced? And the bottom line is this 442 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: a big question mark about all this stuff? And maybe 443 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: it's more cost effective at that point because you think 444 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: about it. In a self driving vehicle, it's all electric. 445 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: What's gonna go bed tires, electric motors, Uh, you know, 446 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: whatever creature cabin comfort features you've got. But the car 447 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: becomes very disposable, very easily or very recyclable. Uh. You know, 448 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be modular replacement. And then you know, 449 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: we've already seen it here here in North Jersey. There 450 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: isn't an engine rebuilder, a machine shop in the County 451 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: of Bergen Gone don't exist anymore, just don't exist. There 452 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: aren't There isn't a one. And you know, I'm multiplying 453 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: that out in my head. As you know, a fluency spreads. 454 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: But the product keeps getting better, and it's newer cars 455 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and it's less older cars. And Paul, if you asked 456 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: me right now, Ron, I've got to get a valve 457 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: job done on my old seventy two Monty Carlo. You 458 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: need to send the heads out. I've got no place 459 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: to send them. It's and you know how many of 460 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: those and I know some of the people that work 461 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: through the machine shops they're out of business now, they're older, 462 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: they're retired. Play that out how many hundreds of times 463 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: across the country, And think about the effect on the 464 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: economy is as more people are put out of work 465 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: by all this, And it's really gonna have to have 466 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: there's gonna have to be a trade off somewhere. I 467 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: think we're gonna have to self driving cars. I don't 468 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do with all these people that 469 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: are gonna be standing around. But as you say, it's 470 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: gonna put millions of people out of work, Well, we're 471 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: facing this issue across the board. It's something that I 472 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't really think about roun Uh. 473 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: You're talking about Amazon, which takes away a lot of 474 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: jobs at at the local retailer, and now they're buying 475 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: whole foods, and well, between them and some other folks 476 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: that are looking to deliver food to your home, we 477 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: may see fewer We could see fewer grocery stores and 478 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: certainly fewer people employed and grocery stores factories are going 479 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: more and more automated. The President has been demanding that 480 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: the auto industry bring back jobs, particularly the parts business, 481 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: and the reality is that some of those factories that 482 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: are looking at that that may come back here. I 483 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: know somebody who runs a leer. You you're probably familiar 484 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: with them. The biggest, one of the biggest seating manufacturers 485 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: in the world, and we're we're a plant that built 486 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: say seat frames that was sent to Mexico a decade 487 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: or so ago. Because the labor costs, Uh, that plant 488 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: before it moved down there might have employed a thousand people. 489 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: If that If that facility comes back to the United 490 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: States to make it cost effective, he's going to have 491 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: to cut his employment to a d So when you 492 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: add it all up, it's just like the argument, Hey folks, 493 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: you want those cheaper ever Ready batteries, Fine, you go 494 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: to Walmart or wherever, and they have the power to 495 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: send those over it to China for manufacturing. And as 496 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, we're about to see Ford send a key 497 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: model the focus to China to cut costs because of 498 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: the competition and lower demand. So every time you want 499 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: to cut a cost, you want to cut your costs 500 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: on groceries or clothing, you go to Amazon or any 501 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: of the new grocery services online. Will you have to 502 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: ask yourself, I just saved a buck and a half 503 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: on a week's groceries. But did you also cut the 504 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: job of your next door neighbor? Right? And and how 505 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: is that going to play out? And and technology marches forward? Paul, 506 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: we're about out of time. If the listeners want to 507 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: get more information, give them the website once again, please sir, 508 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: Oh please, Yeah, they can head over to the Detroit 509 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: Bureau dot com. And we didn't get to talk about it, 510 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: but there, welcome to check out. We have a new 511 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: review of the UH the Civic type. Are that great 512 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: new Honda? UH? And I just got back you ready 513 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: for this? I just had a chance to drive the 514 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: new Alpha Romeo Stelvio. We have a live we have 515 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: a live review. You know what. Stay on the phone, 516 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: talk to Tom. Maybe we'll get you back in two 517 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: or three weeks. We can kind of cover that. How's 518 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: that sound? I'd enjoyed that. Good to be with you again, 519 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: Very good, sir. We would appreciate that. I'm run a 520 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: nat in the Car Doctor and we are back right 521 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back Nating the car doctorate number. Thanks 522 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: again once again to Paul Eis and out of the 523 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Truck Bureau dot com. We'll have some comments about that 524 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: towards the end of the show. Let's real quick. Let's 525 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: go over and talk to Ed in Fairlong, New Jersey, 526 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: two thousand six Scion and some questions problems with air conditioning. Ed, 527 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: is air conditioning important this time of year? I can't 528 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: imagine it really is. Ron. I gotta apologize to you. 529 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: The last time I called, I twirled about on noisy 530 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: timing chain. Right. I lied to you. I said that 531 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: I took the belt off and ran it. I didn't. 532 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: I didn't do it till the next morning after I 533 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: talked to you. It turns out to be that the 534 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: generator pivot belt was loose. That went away because I 535 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: have no air conditioning. The blowers worked, Uh, but the 536 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: clutch doesn't pull in, and I'm not sure whether it 537 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: has a condenser fan or it just uses the engine fan. Well, 538 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's go to the end to 539 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: figure out that, to figure out the chase. When when 540 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: I've got a compressor clutch that doesn't engage on this 541 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: particular model, and Toyota like a lot of vehicles, you know, 542 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: this is series of switches and there's a pile of controls. 543 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: Let's just go right to the connector leading up to 544 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: the compressor clutch itself. You're you're either going to have 545 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: a blue black or a black white wire that is 546 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: ground and then you're gonna have a hot feed on 547 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: the other side, or you're gonna have one singular wire 548 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: feeding the clutch circuit and the compressor clutch grounds internally. Okay, 549 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: So my first comment is do I have hot at 550 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: the compressor clutch. If I've got hot and I've got 551 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: a ground, or if I've got hot and nothing on 552 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: the other side, then I'm gonna tell you all amount 553 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: the compressor clutch. The compressor clutch should on between. Typically 554 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 1: these are about nine and a half to twelve ohms, 555 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: and I think you're going to find that it's open. 556 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: It would not be unusual for one of these to 557 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: have a bad compressor clutch. And at which point it's 558 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: time going on eleven years old, you're gonna start thinking 559 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: about you put a compressor in it. It's more cost 560 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: effective at that point if it has If it does 561 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: not have power leading up to the compressor, Okay, then 562 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: we've got to start to talk about some of the switches. 563 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a couple of things that can 564 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: be But before I take you down that path, I'll 565 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: give you the easy thing to try first. Let's because 566 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm betting this is going to be power to the 567 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: compressor itself. That'll that'll have power, and it won't it 568 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: won't have UM, it'll have power, it'll have ground. It 569 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: just it'll be a bad clutch. Clutches were not uncommon. 570 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: And obviously look at the face of the compressor. Is 571 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: the clutch. Does the clutch show signs of overheating or 572 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: burning or scoring? Uh, Usually they start to blister the 573 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: paint off the clutch plate itself. UM. If the clutch 574 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: plate if the clutch, as the clutch goes bad, as 575 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: it clutch wears out. Okay, okay, that's one place to look. 576 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: I see uh a c a amplifier on the wiring 577 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: diagram with an output to the to the magnetic clutch. Uh. Well, 578 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: that's one of the you know, they they vary clutch 579 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: on time. It's it's it's got something to do with 580 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: fuel economy and emissions, and they very clutch on time. 581 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: They're trying to control it more precisely than just on off, 582 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: on off for various reasons. But before we go there, 583 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: if you've got power leading to the clutch and you've 584 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: got a ground, I don't care about the rest of 585 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: the circuit, all right, it's it's it's got to be right. 586 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: It's the clutch has to be open at that point. Um, 587 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: if you don't have power, and then we're going down 588 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole like Alice did, and we're gonna find 589 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: out where the you know where the where the problem is. 590 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: But I'm betting you've got power there and you've got 591 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: a clutch problem that would not be uncommon at all. 592 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: Do that test it and give me a call back 593 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: next week. If you want to find out during the week. 594 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: I realize it's gonna be a hot week in New Jersey. UM, 595 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: you can email me Ron at Car Doctor show dot com. 596 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: Always good to talk to you at eight five five 597 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero Ron and ending the Car 598 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: Doctor coming back right after this welcome back. We're on 599 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: the ending of the Car Doctor. The phone number, by 600 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: the way, for those of you during the week eight 601 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero or next hour, there's another 602 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: hour car Doctor and coming up. UM. I want to 603 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: thank Paul Eisenstein, Detroit Bureau dot com. I know Paul 604 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: is always on the road, no pun intended, and UM, 605 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: we appreciate him taking the time and spending some time 606 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: with us this hour. He was very generous today, as 607 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: he always is. In forty five minutes of time with 608 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: Paul eis and Stein is like an audience with God. 609 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: When it comes to automotive journalism. Mr Ray has a comment, sir, well, 610 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: it was interesting when you guys were talking about the 611 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: self driving cars and how he was talking about the 612 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: different industries and jobs it could affect. Tony and I 613 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: were sitting here talking and we figured it's gonna it's 614 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: gonna affect the country music industry. Too. Is that well, 615 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: because not only are they gonna be able to write 616 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: songs now about um, your your your girl, or your 617 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: wife leaving you and she takes the truck as she 618 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: does this, but now they can write songs about how 619 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: my truck left me all by itself, you know, and 620 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: an actuality. It's gonna be a change in culture. You know, 621 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: my Chevy truck ran away with my wife, you know, 622 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: can you see it? Um, it's just gonna be so 623 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: totally different. And I don't think we're at all kidding 624 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: around the side. I don't think people realize the impact 625 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: of self driving cars and what it's and what it's 626 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: gonna do. No, And he was talking about, you know, 627 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: having a fleet of these cars out there, like almost 628 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: like a taxi service and stuff. And you think about 629 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: that for a minute. You and I can hop in 630 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: the car whenever we want and go where we need 631 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: to when we need to. We're gonna have to wait 632 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: for a car to show up. Well, And then now 633 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: the other thing I had heard was in theory the conversation, 634 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: some of the conversations are in certain cities there will 635 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: be stacks of self driving cars, So you might hire 636 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: a car to take you from New Jersey to downtown 637 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: New York to the next it's a relay point. Then 638 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: you transfer it from that car to that car, and 639 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, eventually you make it to the car that 640 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: you want to get to. You're gonna you might have 641 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: to travel in three or four cars to get the 642 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: Brooklyn from New Jersey. But you know, Tom, it's the 643 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: future and we're gonna have to through embraces how good 644 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: the bike program works, you know, um, But it's coming 645 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: no matter what we do, it's coming. And I'll tell 646 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: you this much. I'm running any in the car, doctor, 647 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: and I'll be here to report on it each and 648 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: every step of the way until next time. The mechanics 649 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: aren't expensive. Their priced spe see you everyone, she s