1 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: writer and course creator. We are two working parents who 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 3: love our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in early Ish April of twenty 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: twenty four. We're going to be talking all things memory 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: keeping and with that traditions and celebrations to topics that 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: kind of go along with the idea of memory keeping, 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: especially during the busy years which we know so many 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: of our listeners are building your careers, raising young families. 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: You know, time is mostly spoken for. It can be 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: challenging to think about the meta aspects of time. You know, 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 2: how can we honor the past? How can we create 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: occasions that we will want to remember as future us 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: looking back on the past. But thinking about these meta 23 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: aspects of time can make time and life in general 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: feel more rich and full, like you're not just on 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: a hamster wheel that time. You know, it's not just 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: sliding on this slicknoleum floor into you know, the future 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: or something. You've actually got this tapestry that is brilliant 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: and colored and wonderful. So anyway, many metaphors I have 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: been mixing there, but I do believe it is worth 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: putting a little bit of effort into it, right. 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: Sarah, Yes, I love this. 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: I always think about the three selves that you have 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: spoken about before. You have the anticipating self, which gets 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: to an enjoy event even before it happens. You have 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: the experiencing self that's actually there at the event. That's 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: probably the smallest amount of time given most things. And 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: then there's the remembering self, which gets to reflect and 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: remember and maybe even celebrate the event after the effect. 39 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: And we've discussed how there are certain life experiences that 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: serve our remembering selves the best, an example being perhaps 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: a Disney trip. 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's just us. Maybe other people. 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: Have the most amazing experiencing selves on their Disney trips, 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: but for us, it's all about the anticipation for the 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: kids and the memories for us, so thinking about how 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: we want to honor those memories with kind of purposeful 47 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: actions or tangible I don't know, like things that represent 48 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: what we've done can be really really valuable to kind 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: of stretch out that remembering piece for these events and 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: not just let them slid right past. 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 4: As you said, Linoleum, though that was new. 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: You like that one. 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, now I was thinking about this. I mean, there 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: are moments of Disney that the experiencing self is happy with. 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I enjoy some of the rides, for instance. 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: I mean that's why people go on roller coasters, as 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: they are actually pretty fun. But there are moments for 58 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: the experiencing self, and then the rest of it is 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: more about creating the memories and maybe hoping that the 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: experiencing self isn't too cranky about the whole experience of 61 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: waiting in a line with small and fidgety children. But 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, as you said, the present is so fleeting, 63 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: And this is one of these fascinating things. If you 64 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: read about the philosophy of time, of how people studied 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: time and thought about time over the years, the present 66 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: itself is almost nonexistent, right because as soon as it happens. 67 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: It is in the past, and yet that is the 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: only thing we are currently experiencing in our physical bodies, 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: and so it has this bigger footprint than the fleeting 70 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: nature of it would be. 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 72 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: I read this whole thing with William James. There's like, 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: how do we figure out what the present is? I mean, 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: working memory is a certain number of seconds, but you 75 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: can't distinguish two things that are less than about half 76 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: a second apart. 77 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: So we've got angels dancing. 78 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: On the head of a pen here is basically what 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: we come down to and trying to figure out the 80 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: definition of the present. 81 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 3: But I love how much deeper this episode got than 82 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: its conception. 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: But that's good. I think that's good. 84 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 3: We like thinking about time, reflecting on time, and speaking 85 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: of how we record things in time. Let's go back 86 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 3: and get a little bit more concrete to thinking about. 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: How we used to. 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: I don't know, have memories kept throughout our childhood before 89 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: the digital age is upon us now, But back then 90 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: things were really different, and I think it's kind of 91 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: useful to think about how things have changed and what 92 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: we might miss from that age and what we are 93 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: glad is different. 94 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: So I don't know. I'll start. 95 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: So, I grew up as you did in the eighties 96 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: and nineties, and my parents' memories were preserved as mostly 97 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: photographs which they developed put in albums, and then there 98 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: were some rare video clips. But we didn't have a 99 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: camera in our family. My uncle did, so a very 100 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: disproportionate number of our family videos have my in them 101 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: because it was his camera and they were probably around 102 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: when he was there. And then there's also like some 103 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: random audio tracks that we have that my dad has 104 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: kind of passed around from when I was playing violin 105 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: and singing, so that's kind of cool. And then that's 106 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: about it. I did not keep old journals. I did 107 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: not keep high school memorabilia. I might have one yearbook 108 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 3: lying around, kind of crazy. I don't think I should 109 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: have kept everything, Like, I stand by my desire not 110 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 3: to have boxes and boxes to sip through, but maybe 111 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: like one or two shoe boxes worth of childhood memories. 112 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: Would have been worthwhile, and I don't have that. 113 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we have the standard occasional family photos 114 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: printed up in albums. I don't know, I mean, I 115 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: guess I don't find it all that interesting out I 116 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: spent a whole lot of time looking back through those 117 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: albums if I happen to be visiting my parents or 118 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: anything like that, although I do find the more distant 119 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: past a little bit more interesting. And my mom has 120 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: digitized some of these old family photos and she posted 121 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: one recently that featured It was an extended family photo 122 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: and she was sitting on the lap or next to 123 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: my I mean her mother, my maternal grandmother, who I 124 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: have never met because she died when my mother was 125 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: fairly young, and so it was weird to see this 126 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: woman who as a young woman, I have some photos 127 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: of her, but just really don't have that many and 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: certainly have no memory of her, to see what she 129 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: looked like and see, you know, is there any family resemblance. 130 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: I think we have the same chin, So yeah, no, 131 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: it was kind of cool to see. 132 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: Which I'll put this out as a public service announcement 133 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 2: here for anyone listening to this that if your parents 134 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: have not done this, you know, if they have not 135 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: gone through the process of like downsizing or you know, 136 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: going through all their old stuff, they may have a 137 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: lot of old photos or albums or things like this, 138 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: and the ravages of time are not kind to anyone 139 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: or to physical object, and so you might want to 140 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: help them digitize these before their basement gets flooded, before 141 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: you know it completely warps in a heat wave that 142 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: gets their attic you know, unusable for a couple of days, 143 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: and all the photos are then messed. 144 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Up by it. It would just be worth. 145 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: Doing with at least some of them, because then you 146 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: can have, you know, a record, even if the physical 147 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: object doesn't necessarily last. So public service announcement might want 148 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: to do that. 149 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: I will say I have one tangible object from my 150 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: childhood that somehow has made it and it happens to 151 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: be my journal from second grade, which is in a 152 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: mead notebook and is very whiny. 153 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's what journals are. 154 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: We've discussed how maybe maybe we don't want our own 155 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: journals necessarily being read, But that one's okay because it 156 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: was like seven No. 157 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: I sent Sarah a note that I mean, I found 158 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: a bunch of myne old journals, you know, in bags 159 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: and stuff as we've been going through boxes, and I 160 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: you know, if I should, you know, if something ever 161 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: happens to me, I think Sarah could fly up here 162 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: and like burn them, right, that would be her service 163 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: to my legacy, that nobody else would ever need to 164 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: see these things. That would probably be be better for 165 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: everyone on this planet. But these days, you're keeping more 166 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: of your memories through your blog, and in fact, your 167 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: blog is I mean approaching sort of vintage status at 168 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: this point. 169 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: Oh yes, okay, so we'll fast forward to today. 170 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: We're kind of like that's how things were done in 171 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 3: the old days and now in recent times. Yes, I 172 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: would say for me, my biggest personal memory keeping tool 173 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: is everything that's archived at the shoebox dot com and 174 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: goes back to two thousand and four. 175 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 4: There were not a lot of. 176 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: Photos because I didn't think I knew how to post 177 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: them until maybe two thousand and six or two thousand 178 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: and seven. But still there is, I mean, there is 179 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 3: just quite a treasure trove. Not to mention it is 180 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: the right how do I put this, like the amount 181 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: of personal journal that what I was comfortable of putting online. 182 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: So it has some fairly intimate thoughts, but nothing that 183 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: I couldn't have broadcast out into the world, although sometimes 184 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: I read some of myself and it was like really, 185 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: but still not as bad as what you're talking about 186 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: would need to be burned. 187 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: So it's really really fun to have that. 188 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: And I can see why for other people who that's 189 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: the only thing holding them to social media, like I 190 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: have all my kids' photos in here, you know, I 191 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: save my kid's childhood and instant stories or something like that, 192 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: I could see why that would would drive them to 193 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: want to stay. Because for me, it's easy for me 194 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: to say, well. 195 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 4: I don't need to keep that. 196 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: But that's because I have this other digital record that 197 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: I have built. So I don't know, start a blog. No, 198 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding, but it is really really nice to 199 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: have that. In terms of photos, we are I don't know, 200 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: we're not the world's most organized about this, but I'm 201 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: very much at peace with what we do have, possibly 202 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: because I do have so many digitally through my website. 203 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: But we printed photos until maybe two thousand and six, 204 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: and we have a bunch of those around. Our wedding 205 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: album is not an album form, it's just a bunch 206 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: of we have, like the negatives, and we have a 207 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: million photos that our photographer gave us like kind of 208 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: like four x six size maybe, and they're in plastic sheets. 209 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: That's our wedding album. I'm fine with it, like it's 210 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: not even a project. I am whatever. 211 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: I get so terrible. 212 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: I'm terrible about sentimentality about certain things. And I'm happy 213 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 3: we have those photos, but I don't feel like I 214 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: need them in any other format. 215 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: And then twenty eight to twenty ten is. 216 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: Kind of like a little bit of no man's land 217 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 3: because I think like a lot of the photos were 218 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: on digital cameras but then didn't make it onto the 219 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: hard drive they got switched. So when I searched those 220 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: years on Google Photos, I don't find much. 221 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 4: It's just kind of sad. 222 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: But then starting in twenty ten and twenty eleven and beyond, 223 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 3: like I have, we have almost everything, so I feel 224 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: really good about it. It's not organized, but it's completely searchable. 225 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: And I guess there is the possibility that Google Photos 226 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: would like die, but I have to imagine that if 227 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: they were going to die, they would give some sort 228 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: of warning first so we could pull everything off. So 229 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go with that one hope. 230 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: You know, Apple Photos, however, disappears, and there's a lot 231 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: of people their photos tied to their Apple ID will 232 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: be gone forever. Yeah, there's this interesting gap for us 233 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: and the technology too. So we have a ton of 234 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: printed photos of Jasper as a baby in two thousand 235 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: and seven, right, and we would print those pictures and 236 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: we used a digital movie camera at some point in 237 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: there to take lots of videos. And then I know, 238 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: I started taking a lot more photos of Sam on 239 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: my phone because I got an iPhone in it was 240 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: the very end of two thousand and nine, beginning of 241 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: twenty ten, I believe, so that's when he was a baby, 242 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: and so I started taking most of my photos on 243 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: that as opposed to the digital camera that we then 244 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: would send the files into Shutterfly and get them printed up. 245 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: So there's kind of this total fall off, and like 246 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: printed photos of babies that happens after Jasper and to 247 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: Sam and not just what always happens with the second kid. 248 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: It's because the technology itself had completely changed, and so 249 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: then I think I wasn't using social media as much 250 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: until a couple of years after that, and so there's 251 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: this gap that suddenly there start being more photos I 252 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: don't know, around twenty twelve or something, and everything is 253 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: more available. We have printed photo like books of most 254 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: of the years, so we have at least did that 255 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: or did it from photo sessions that we did when 256 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: the kids were little and then got a couple of 257 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: years behind a few years ago. But Ruth has taken 258 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: that job over and our family. She has access to 259 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: all my photos that I take on my phone because 260 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: her iPad is the same Apple ID I guess as 261 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: my phone, and so she has gone and made several 262 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: albums and they're really cute. So you know, yay solution 263 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: there outsourced things to your kids. They may have the 264 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: time to do it. We're going to take a quick 265 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: ad break and then we will be back with more 266 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: on memory keeping, traditions and celebrations. 267 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 4: So back to talking about photos. 268 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: I was just going to tell you that, even though 269 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: I have no desire to create a beautiful wedding album, 270 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 3: because I'm happy with our pictures in plastic sleeves, they're 271 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: their own memory, I guess I do want to have 272 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: family photo albums. I like doing one for each year, 273 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: and we have one up until twenty twenty one, so 274 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 3: I still have to do twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. 275 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: But I think I will do what you did and 276 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: ask Annabel if she's interested in this project, perhaps for 277 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: a small hourly rate of some kind and that way 278 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: we can be done and she can have something to do. 279 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 3: It seems like it would be a lovely summer project 280 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: for us. 281 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys aren't as big on like taking family 282 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: photos with a photographer, are you. 283 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 3: Or we've done it twice total, once when at of 284 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: all was a baby, and then once in twenty nineteen. 285 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 4: That was a great photo shoot. 286 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: Actually it was done at my in law's fiftieth anniversary, 287 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 3: and my sister in law got the idea to hire 288 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: a photographer and do family photos. And the amazing thing 289 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: about that is like we were able to share the 290 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: cost and then we got all these big group shots 291 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: and we also got our own like nuclear families, and 292 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: some individual pictures as well. So I highly recommend that idea, 293 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: like doing a photograph around a gathering, and also everyone's 294 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: dressed up and looks nice for the gathering, and if 295 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: it's in a pretty setting, like oh my gosh, all 296 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: the stars have aligned and you can come away with 297 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: something really special. 298 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: So we're overdue to do that again. 299 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do it for my parents' fiftieth wedding anniversaries. 300 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: Oh, that would be awesome. Yeah, you should totally do that. 301 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: We did that when my parents had their fiftieth wedding anniversary. 302 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: We gathered my side of the family, obviously in a 303 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: beach house for the week, and my sister in law 304 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: hired a photographer to come take it. She suggested that 305 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: we either all wear light blue and khaki or white 306 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: on top and jeans, and so we went with the 307 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: white and jeans, and we have those photos of us, 308 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: and I think it came out really great because you know, 309 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: you're on the beach and that actually looks like good 310 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: coloring on a beach and works for most people. And 311 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: like you said, we got the individual photos too that 312 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: we could then use for our Christmas card. So when 313 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: we gathered this past summer for my husband's side of 314 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: the family, we were celebrating his mother's eighty fifth birthday, 315 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: and we you know, she rented us all a giant 316 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: compound and turks and caicos for a week. We hired 317 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: a photographer. I suggested doing this, like, let's hire a photographer, 318 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: and so you know, it's funny, I did the same thing. 319 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, everyone wear jeans and white. So I 320 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: got a bunch of questions writing up to this like okay, 321 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: short's okay? Or do you have to wear pants? Or 322 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: you know, like if it's a tank top white, is 323 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: that okay? Or should be a blouse? 324 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: You know. 325 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: But everyone made it work, and I think a lot 326 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: of people did wind up using that photo or those 327 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: extended family photos as spot cards this year. 328 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: So it is. 329 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: Always a pain to hire a photographer to stop what 330 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: you're doing to get everyone to pose. 331 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, nobody wants to do it. 332 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: It's really kind of tedious in the moment, but you 333 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: will be happy you did it. And I think a 334 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: lot of us could stand to put a little bit 335 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: more work and time into documenting the presence so we 336 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: can remember it. And that's why you keep that five 337 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: year journal, right, So maybe you can talk a little 338 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: bit about that. 339 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I am doing you guys know, I use 340 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: a lot of paper planners, and I'm always people are 341 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: a gas that I don't keep every planner from every year, 342 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: but I just don't want to leave that behind, Like 343 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: seems kind of gross to have like a book for 344 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: every year building it. 345 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, like I don't want to see my 346 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: pass like that. 347 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: But a five year journal feels okay because Honestly, I 348 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: can picture a shelf of five year journals up from 349 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: now until I'm one hundred, and it doesn't take up 350 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: like a horrible. 351 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: Amount of space. 352 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: So somehow it doesn't bother me in the same way. 353 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: Maybe it's just too morbid. I don't know, but yeah, yeah, 354 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: I love doing the five year journal because on each 355 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: day I'm on year four of five of the one 356 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: that I have. 357 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 4: I wish I had started this before then. 358 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: I guess I have my blog, so it's not like 359 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: we're like in a vacuum, but I just put like 360 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 3: basically what happened the day before. Like, I don't write 361 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: a lot. I've write a few lines. I usually do 362 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: it in color. I kind of play with pens when 363 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 3: I do it. It's like a little meditative act I 364 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: do in the morning. And yeah, it's so fun to 365 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: look back on, especially because the when I have now 366 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: starts at twenty twenty one, and you know, it wasn't 367 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, but twenty twenty one, especially early twenty twenty one, 368 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 3: was a very very different lifestyle than. 369 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: We are all enjoying right now. 370 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: Plus I had little, little kids, and so to be 371 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: able to see how things have changed as I go 372 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: from top to bottom on each day is super cool. 373 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: One thing I'll say if you decide to do this 374 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: is if you have some blank spaces, it does not matter. 375 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: So do not be one of those people who start 376 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: one and enjoy it and then they miss three days 377 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: and then they're like, Okay, I can't do this, Like there 378 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: are absolutely missing slots in mind, but more slots are 379 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: filled out than aren't filled out, and that's way good enough. 380 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: So don't be a perfectionist about it you decide to 381 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: do this. 382 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the perfect does not need to be the enemy 383 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: of the good. For those who are on social media, obviously, 384 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: Facebook will do those time hop things often where they 385 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: show you your memories from twelve years ago today, and 386 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: you know that is a kind of cool thing to see, 387 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: especially if your kids were Probably if you had kids 388 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: twelve years ago, they obviously looked a lot different than 389 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: they do now, so that is always kind of fun 390 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: to see what you are thinking about. 391 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: At the moment. 392 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: My time logs are serving this function for me right now, 393 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: So longtime listeners know that I began tracking my time 394 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: in April of twenty fifteen, which you do the math, 395 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: that is nine years ago now, so there are some 396 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: extensive memories documented of every half hour of Laura's life 397 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen. But I have been employing this more 398 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: as a memory keeping kind of thing as opposed to 399 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: how many hours do I spend working or driving or 400 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: emptying the dishwash or anything like that. And the particular 401 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 2: way I do it is that I match up the 402 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: Monday start date. So for a couple of years, I 403 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: would see that the ones I had saved on my 404 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 2: current laptop matched the Monday date that I was doing. 405 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 2: So December, like seventeen of twenty twenty three was the 406 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: same day of the week as December seventeen of twenty 407 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Sorry, twenty twenty three match twenty seventeen, and 408 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: so I was starting twenty eighteen. And then of course 409 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: we had leap year, so that shifted it again, so 410 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: now I'm five years behind. So these days I'm looking 411 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: at the weeks from twenty nineteen. So that's kind of 412 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: exciting because I'm getting up into the point where I'm 413 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: going to learn that Henry is on his way, so 414 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking forward to seeing. 415 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: That on the log and remembering all that. So yeah, 416 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: it was. 417 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: It kind of tedious to do, not terribly, I mean, 418 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: like the five year journal, it's only three minutes a 419 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: day for me, but knowing how I spent an entire 420 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: week in like early twenty nineteen is kind of priceless 421 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: at this point because there's no way I could recreate it. 422 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: At this point, I would have no idea. 423 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: But since I have the artifact of that time, I 424 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: can in fact call it back up. 425 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: Are you tempted to now copy and paste a photo? 426 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: Like? Oh yes? 427 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: We read a grateful Kay Kaylen Lopez blog and she 428 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: has been tracking her time continuously for several months now 429 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: at least, and she has done this more and explicitly 430 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: memory keeping way where she pastes in photos on the 431 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: Excel file. And that's really awesome. I think that's great, 432 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 2: and that will be even better to look back on 433 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: than what I have, which is words on a screen. 434 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: But you know, I have to rely on my brain 435 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: to pull it back up. So moving on just a 436 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: little bit, pivoting to the idea of traditions. We're including 437 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: this in this episode because these are things that we 438 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: choose to do over and over again and honor them 439 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: as special. So they will in fact become memories through 440 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: sheer repetition, and then as you do them again, they 441 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: become opportunities to look back on your life in the 442 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: previous times you did whatever this tradition might happen to be. So, Sarah, 443 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: maybe you could talk a little bit about why you 444 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: think traditions are worth trying to make happen. 445 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was reflecting on the difference between 446 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: something that's just routine, like because once their roles around, 447 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: we don't know go to tap class, versus tradition, like 448 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 3: why do we choose to elevate certain things and not 449 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 3: elevate other things? And I mean I think, if anything, 450 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: we should err on the side of turning more things 451 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 3: into traditions. And like just kind of I think there's 452 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: just like a level of attention or a little level 453 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: of celebration that can bring certain things we do over 454 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: and over again to the forefront. I do think if 455 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: it's something very very frequent, it's hard to call it 456 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 3: a tradition. Again, like Wednesday tap class. If perhaps like 457 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 3: the last Friday of every month, your family loves to 458 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: go out to the movies, then that could be considered 459 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 3: a tradition, and that would just like elevate it a 460 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: little bit more. I think that hearing other people's traditions 461 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 3: can be really, really fun and inspiring. So I think 462 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: we should take this opportunity to share some of our 463 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: family traditions so that people can therefore reflect on theirs. 464 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: And I will say one natural thing that does happen 465 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: with traditions is you compare it with years past, Like 466 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: that's what I think humans love. One of the things 467 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: humans love about holidays, other than the chance to just 468 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 3: connect and get together and celebrate, is like it automatically 469 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 3: invokes the prior ones. Right each Thanksgiving, we think, oh, 470 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: like last year I had a babe at this event, 471 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: or last year we held it here, or last year 472 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: this family member was with us, and since then they've passed. 473 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: Like these things are really important. They mark milestones. So 474 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: I think traditions are just awesome and we should pay 475 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: attention to them and perhaps cultivate more of them. So 476 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 3: a few non typical traditions that we have in our 477 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 3: house include an annual graduation dinner at the melting Pot. 478 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: Graduation every year. Yes okay, we're graduating from fourth grade? 479 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Sounds good? Yes, okay, end of school year dinner school year. 480 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 4: Okay, the restaurant is absolutely like the kid's choice. Yeah, 481 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: but they love it. They look forward to it. We 482 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 4: always go in June. 483 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 3: There's like always a thunderstorm that we're dodging on the 484 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: way because that's the weather we have. 485 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: But it's like, I don't know, we love it. 486 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: And actually we've started to invite grandparents to this tradition, 487 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: so it's just kind of. 488 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: Getting more and more elevated. 489 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: We do something when you're ten, you get to pick 490 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: your family's upcoming trip destination ten or thereabouts, depending on timing. 491 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: We do first day of school ice cream. That's just 492 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 3: always a thing, It's a given. We have some traditions 493 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: tied to different vacation spots, specifically Amelia Island. That's the 494 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 3: place our family has gone the most times, while other 495 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: than Philadelphia on my parents' hospital, like the non family location, 496 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: and we do things like we always have dinner like 497 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: at this seafood place with a pirate and it does 498 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: feel like a tradition just because we like seek out 499 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: these same experiences every time. I think one newer tradition 500 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: that we have kind of cultivated accidentally is to always 501 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: go to Arii and buy stuff before vacations that have 502 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 3: an outdoorsy component, Like I think it gets us in 503 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: the mood, like what do we. 504 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: Need for this? 505 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 3: Like what kind of adventures are we going to go on? 506 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: And yeah, we're headed to do that in two days. 507 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, tradition lives on. And then I mean there 508 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 3: are also holiday traditions. I've talked about the Valentine's Day 509 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: treasure hunt in our house. The kids buy gifts for 510 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: the Mother's and Father's Day and we try to make 511 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 3: them kind of nice. I love to do July fourth 512 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, and Jewish holidays are almost always at Josh's 513 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: family's house because they put on really lovely celebrations. So yeah, 514 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 3: those are just a few of our specific family traditions. 515 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 4: But it was actually really. 516 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: Fun to reflect on what they are and think about 517 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: what could perhaps be at it as the kids get older. 518 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, we're gonna take one more quick ad break 519 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: and then I'll be back talking about a few of 520 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: my family's tradition. Well, we are back. We've been talking 521 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 2: memory keeping, now traditions, and we'll get to celebrations in 522 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: just a minute. Although that is totally related, some overlap here. 523 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: We have a few family traditions that have become ones 524 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: over time that we've consciously created, like getting family pajamas 525 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: at Christmas, so we order a matching set for everyone, 526 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: and we've done this for. 527 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: Boy five six years. 528 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: Five years, and so we have a lot of pajamas, 529 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: but the kids seem to. 530 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: Like it, so we do it. 531 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 2: We have started the tradition of doing sibling gifts at Christmas, 532 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: which is another one that would not be able to 533 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: be taken away very easily. We go to the same 534 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: town on the Jersey Shore Ocean Grove every summer, and 535 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: for the past few years we've actually stayed at the 536 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: same house, so it's kind of like our beach house 537 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: without being our beach house and having to deal with 538 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: all that. But that vacation features a ton of traditions 539 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: because we have been there so often. Like we often 540 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: go to Day's Ice Cream, we go to the Silver 541 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: Brawl arcade in Asbury, mikel and I often stop at 542 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: the Asbury Beer Garden. 543 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: There's just a lot of different things. 544 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: I was reflecting bringing this back to the Disney part 545 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: from earlier in this episode. 546 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: I feel like. 547 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 2: We've been to Disney enough times now that parts of 548 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: that are starting to feel a bit like tradition, Like, hey, 549 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: here we are waiting for the safari at Animal Kingdom 550 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: Park again. 551 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: We've done that a great many times. 552 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 4: I actually find traditions. 553 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: I find that the most fun part of Disney doing 554 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: stuff again and again and like remembering it and like, 555 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 3: oh here we are, Yeah, same thing. I mean, we 556 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 3: have different ones that we do, but I think that's 557 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: part of their business plan to keep things very much 558 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 3: the same. So it does feel like, you know, ritual 559 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 3: almost Yeah. Yeah, Well, let's just do a quick look 560 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 3: at celebrations. Obviously, traditions and celebrations are very tightly entwined, 561 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: but this is a time of year with a lot 562 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: of celebrations. So kid birthday parties, Sarah, what of the 563 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: birthday party norms have you like learned over time as 564 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 3: you've been observing this. Yeah, so, I mean I feel 565 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 3: like the little kid parties are big family parties, and 566 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: certainly where I live, people go very over the top 567 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: in some cases, and then they become much more kid 568 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: centric kind of around four or five, and then the 569 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: drop off sort of kind of seems to gradually start 570 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: around seven, although even past that, I mean we had 571 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: Cameron's tenth, and we had parents that stayed I think 572 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: more for convenience than for any concern of what, you know, 573 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: whether their kid could be alone. And then there's like 574 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: this other shift which I wasn't necessarily ever thinking about, 575 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 3: where I think there's. 576 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 4: An age where your kid doesn't necessarily want. 577 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 3: A party but would rather like do something special with 578 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 3: a friend or with a family or things like that, 579 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: and I feel like that's around maybe well, I don't know, 580 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: I'm just headed into that territory now. 581 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. 582 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends that we've had like a small number 583 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: of kids over to the house for something that the 584 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: older kids want to do. And I think Jasper's trying 585 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: to plan an outing to a tea place. He really 586 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: likes tea, and there's this place called a Taste of 587 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: Britain in the area that does a high tea, so 588 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: I think he and his friends might be doing that, 589 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: which is kind of kind of random. Do you guys 590 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: do much for your anniversary each year? I'm just curious. 591 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, we do, actually, I mean I would say we 592 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: try to make that when we do a getaway. We 593 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: can't always time it exactly for the anniversary. Sometimes it's 594 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 3: more around my birthday. Those two are very close together, 595 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 3: but we do we usually try to either do some 596 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 3: sort of really nice in or out. Well, this year, 597 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: we're going to be, as we'll talk about in a 598 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: future episode, you know, running a marathon that weekend, so 599 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: it'll be fun and togetherness and a really nice celebration. 600 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 3: So we do, and we don't do gifts for anniversary. 601 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 3: I mean, the gift is like getting to spend time together. 602 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 3: That's a yeah, big gift. Mostly don't need new stuff. 603 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: But you had a great tip in here about looking 604 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: at the family calendar because people like to have a 605 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: certain amount of celebrating in life, Like we always want 606 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: something to look forward to, and there are certain times 607 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: of year where they come fast and furious, and sometimes 608 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 2: people have their children exactly two years apart, so then 609 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: you wind up with like three birthdays in a row 610 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: and one month or something like that. But if the 611 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: calendar is a little bit sparse, it might be worth 612 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: thinking about. I mean, you've done that. 613 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love doing this. 614 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: I mean this is kind of part of my annual 615 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 3: planning practice where we kind of think about what the 616 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 3: big rocks are in the year, and when I see 617 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: months that are just like, oh my god, there's nothing fun, 618 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: Like you have to find something and maybe that's something 619 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: can be a celebration. So you gave a great example 620 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: of birthdays being clustered, which in our house they are. 621 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: There are no birthdays between May and December. 622 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 4: In our family. 623 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: Everybody is in those five months beforehand, and so I'm like, well, 624 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: what's in that frame. Hmmm, My blog's anniversary, that's an 625 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: important birthday. Our podcast anniversary, that's a very important milestone. 626 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: So trying to think of other things that perhaps could 627 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: be celebrated in those slower times. 628 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I think the professional ones we tend 629 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: not to think about quite as much. I mean, obviously, 630 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: if you work for a giant corporation that is like 631 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: somebody does this, like does this as a policy, like 632 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: you know, twenty years or ten years or Whatever's that's awesome. 633 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: I don't know how many places like even do that anymore. 634 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: But throw yourself apart, like I've been in this job 635 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 2: five years. I mean, whether you intend to stay or not, 636 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: you could celebrate your longevity for that and what you've 637 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: learned over the course of five years and the people 638 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: you have met over the course of five years, and 639 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, get yourself a cupcake or something. 640 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: It could be. 641 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: I'm realizing that I had my tenth work anniversary and 642 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: I didn't even notice it. 643 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 4: I wish I had. I wish I could go back, 644 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: but I guess I'll have to wait for fifteen. 645 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: You would have given yourself a cupcake. 646 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, or like asked my practice manager to buy me 647 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 3: a cup or something like that. 648 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: I could at least pay for my Starbucks today. All Right, 649 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: so this question, we're going to pivot to the question here. 650 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: This listener writes in, I am looking for fresh ideas 651 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: for date nights, so, you know, getting a little bit 652 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: tired just going out to the same restaurant over and 653 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: over again. 654 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: Sarah, what would you suggest? 655 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I should take this advice as 656 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: much as I'm giving it. But I think day dates 657 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: are underrated. I always Actually I'm going to give a 658 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: shout out to Kelsey from the Girl next Door podcast. 659 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 3: She's all about the date eate. She and her husband 660 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: do a lot of this, and I love that idea. 661 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 3: Because you're not tired, you can like do something, So 662 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: you could go to a museum, you could go to 663 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 3: a hike. It would be an opportunity to hike without 664 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: any kids complaining about the distance. 665 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 4: How cool would that be. 666 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 3: You could also keep it at a normal time, but 667 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 3: like maybe turn your restaurant seeking into some kind of quest, 668 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: like we're going to go to the top three rated 669 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 3: Miami restaurants, or we are going to try every Peruvian 670 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: place in the area and figure out which one is 671 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: the best, like, you know, turning it into some sort 672 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: of activity where you maybe even want to like take 673 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 3: notes or I don't know, like just elevating it a 674 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: little bit. And then one thing we are planning on 675 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: doing soon, which is inspired by my friend who is 676 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: super into yoga, is that she's going to have us 677 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 3: come for a yoga date where she has this class 678 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 3: that she likes at like four point thirty on a Saturday. 679 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 3: She lives in Miami Beach, so to be perfect, we'll 680 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: drive down, we'll go, we'll all do yoga together, and 681 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: then that area is walking distance from some like really 682 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: nice restaurants, so we'll just like but casual, so we 683 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 3: can go in our yoga gear, so we'll just like 684 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: mosey out and get some dinner afterward together. 685 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 4: So I'm really looking forward to. 686 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 1: That sounds awesome. Yeah, I'll throw out one. 687 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: One random idea is that I heard this from somebody 688 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: recently that they hired a sitter to take their kids out, 689 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: Like the sitter took the three kids out to a movie, 690 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: which allowed this couple to enjoy some time in their 691 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: home by themselves, for whatever they chose to do with it. 692 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 2: So I'm just going to throw that out there as 693 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 2: an idea. I will say that sporting events are kind 694 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 2: of different in that you're watching something but it's you know, 695 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: it just probably you don't go to that many that 696 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: are like professional or college level or something like that. 697 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed going to a six Ers game with 698 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: Michael last year. But even more so, just something to 699 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: think about with trying to come up with interesting date 700 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: ideas is that if you have little kids, actually booking 701 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: regular babysitting for a time that you might have a 702 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: date night can encourage you to be a little bit 703 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: more creative about this, because if you know you have 704 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: every Friday night, then you start looking for things that 705 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: are happening on Friday night. Or it doesn't have to 706 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: rise to the level of, oh, would we get a 707 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: sitter for this right, because you already have the sitter. 708 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: So you could be like, well, why don't we go 709 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: to this farmer's market and then see if this thing 710 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 2: that's festival in a local square is any good or not. 711 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: Like you probably wouldn't get a sitter just to do that, 712 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: But if you know you already have this sitter, then 713 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: you're willing to try things that are a little bit more. 714 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: Out of the box because the time is protected. 715 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 2: So just throwing that out as an idea awesome, right, 716 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: Sarah Love of the Week. 717 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm going to be basic. 718 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: I love that we have a Starbucks at my hospital 719 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 3: where I work, like we didn't always, so it's just amazing. 720 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 3: And I've definitely gotten into a oat milk cappuccino have 721 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 3: it lately, especially when I have a lot to do 722 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: and I want a little bit of extra cappine in 723 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 3: my system. 724 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 4: I just love it. 725 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 3: I look forward to it, and I don't do it 726 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 3: every day but maybe twice a week and savor it 727 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 3: every single time. 728 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have quite the Starbucks habit around here. I 729 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: would say they're more order ahead app I've wound up 730 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: using a lot now. It just makes it so much 731 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: easier because then you're not wait in the store, which 732 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: is one thing if you're going to the store and 733 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: hanging out with someone there or a kid or whatever. 734 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: But if you are. 735 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: Just procuring the drinks, not having to wait around for 736 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: them is really cool. So you know, put in the 737 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: order five minutes ahead of time, drive over on your way, and. 738 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: Then pick it up. It's great. 739 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 2: We've been getting a lot of strawberry aside lemonade refreshers. 740 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 2: Probably will get even more as we get into the summer, 741 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 2: and the cold beverages sounds more and more appealing in 742 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 2: the afternoon. 743 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: I would say that happens more days per week than not. 744 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, we have quite the Starbucks habit around here. 745 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: I guess that could be my love of the week 746 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: from now on. Well, this has been best of both worlds. 747 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: We have been talking about all things memory keeping, celebrations 748 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: and traditions, just putting a plug in for thinking about 749 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: these things. 750 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: Even if you are in the busy. 751 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: Years, at some point you're going to be looking back 752 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 2: on this, and even you can see yourself looking back 753 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 2: on life five years ago. And isn't it nice when 754 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 2: you have concrete things to remember? So you might want 755 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: to be kind to your future self and think about 756 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: keeping some memories and creating some traditions that your future 757 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: self can look back on. And we will be back 758 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 2: next week with more on making work and life fit together. 759 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. 760 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 3: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 761 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can. 762 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 4: Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 763 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 4: been the best of both worlds podcasts. 764 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: Please join us next time for more on making work 765 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: and life work together.