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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Andrew TryForce Howard. Most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Featuring Triforce's cat astrid. We love mysteries. We hope you

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Speaker 3: dig mysteries as well. Tonight's episode takes us across the

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Speaker 3: Pacific to Southeastern Asia, specifically to a place most people

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Speaker 3: do not visit, Laos.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of a history mystery. Euh mm hm

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Speaker 4: oh Yescoby and the gang would be on board.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and it's an exciting one because there's so much

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Speaker 2: stuff to ponder within this topic, and there's a lot

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Speaker 3: Yes, just so, the recent history of Laos is intensely troubled,

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Speaker 3: and we'll get into that as well, most Americans in

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Speaker 3: the crowd tonight. If you think a Laos, you're probably

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Speaker 3: And you're probably thinking of Laos and the Vietnam War because,

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Speaker 4: So they didn't just go back and remove them all

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Speaker 2: Yes, because most of it is that term unexploded ordinance

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Speaker 3: all about how giant rats have been taught to sniff

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Speaker 4: I just have to say, by all means, is it

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Speaker 3: where it gets crazy, all right.

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Speaker 2: First off, Jars of Clay was my favorite band growing up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jars of Clay was great. I was gonna say

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Speaker 3: The song structure is just amazing.

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Speaker 4: Ny Tail spins the yarn, and.

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Speaker 3: We hope you can help us spin some yarn today.

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Speaker 3: There's not one plane of jars. They're like ninety known

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does. It looks like something could have

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Speaker 2: I mean that's not tiny. That's still a huge jar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're between one to three meters that's about three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's America.

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Speaker 3: You are rock.

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Speaker 4: From our cold, dead feet and hands.

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Speaker 3: Nobody wants to hunt big meter, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: When so cool my bubblegum chaw?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the candy cigarettes, oh man, idea.

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Why the variation upon the theme? The bottom

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Speaker 4: Matt, you're spot on. I picture the jars from elden

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Speaker 4: Ring instantly in my like that. It's just that they're

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Speaker 2: There's definitely some inspiration from the these sites and there Ben,

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Speaker 3: Buried, yes, yeah, buried, forgotten, unexplored. We kicked some stats

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Speaker 3: don't know what inspired people to make these things. As

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Speaker 3: in a video game. Optically stimulated luminescence.

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Speaker 2: Gotta tell you looked this up, guys, and I'm still

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Speaker 2: super confused. What we could say is from a super layman.

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Speaker 2: That's me standpoint. It is it is testing when the

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Speaker 2: So I don't even know if I'm gonna try i'll

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Speaker 2: read I'll read it to you from geosciences. It's optically

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Speaker 2: stimulated luminescence dating or optical dating, provides a measure of

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Speaker 2: time since sediment grains, so specific grains we're talking about

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Speaker 3: M This uh, this makes use of electrons that are

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I just don't get it.

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Speaker 4: It's just about the grains.

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Speaker 2: figuring out how you actually measure that, right, Like, oh,

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Speaker 2: these are these electrons. There's pockets where these electrons where

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Speaker 2: stuff would be filled inside if it were exposed, but

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Speaker 2: it's not. It was under this jar for this number

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Speaker 2: of years roughly.

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Speaker 3: I that's that's one of those things where first off, yes,

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Speaker 3: thank you to the humans, and then secondly, someone obviously

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I've got eureka, I've gotten mad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, someone's marriage got ruined over a valence band obsession. Dude.

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Speaker 3: That's where it happened well, so thank you, Thank you

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Speaker 3: boffins for doing this. This research is fascinating. You can

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Speaker 3: you can read the statements from the folks who leveraged

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Speaker 3: this to solve the mystery. That's people like doctor Louise

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Speaker 3: Lone Colt from the Loud Apartment of Heritage. So they

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Speaker 3: they applied this optically stimulated luminescence was that people had

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Speaker 2: By a long shot. And and it is just gosh,

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Speaker 2: it's baffling that we can even know that through that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But what's the other dating technique that was written about

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Speaker 2: in that same article. There's one in fizz Org about

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00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: that it.

438
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 4: Was is there a reason that radiocarbon dating can't be used?

439
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: Or is like this I've never heard of this method?

440
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: I just thin guess I've always is.

441
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: That what zircon UPB dating is. They mentioned that as

442
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: well as like a way to measure carbon.

443
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: They definitely used radiocarbon dating as well. I think, what's

444
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: new about this and the other? Look, I can't pretend

445
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: to understand a lot of me you could. I think

446
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: this service to all of us. You know, zircon UPB

447
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: dating is definitely a thing. It's also the trital what

448
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: its right?

449
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, involving detritus.

450
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: So so, guys, I looked at that one up to

451
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: this is what it says. Whole grain analysis by thermal

452
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: ionization mass spectrometer yields UPB ages with the greatest precision

453
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: but potentially poorest accuracy.

454
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 4: What like like I didn't understand even where that sentence

455
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 4: is supposed to be split up.

456
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: Also, greatest, greatest precision, poorest accuracy means it will give

457
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: you the most specific result with the highest likelihood that

458
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: that result is incorrect exactly.

459
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: But also it's because of the mixing of different age

460
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: components and PB lost domains.

461
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: Ah, yes, let's talk about that.

462
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, why didn't you say?

463
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: So?

464
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: That's a different color?

465
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Where is jaw? We need your job?

466
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: Rules? Shall start this out you'll get it done, you know,

467
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: I think the material science they are. One of the

468
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: fascinating points to raise is that these jars are not

469
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: uniform in their composition. You'll find limestone, sometimes sandstone, granite,

470
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 3: a combination thereof Most are sandstone. But the fascinating scary ones,

471
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: the ones at site one. Those are limestone. And what

472
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: it seems to indicate is a valuable clue the sculptors

473
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: were likely working with whatever material they can find nearby.

474
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: You can trace some of these stones to nearby quarries.

475
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: But they're not that nearby, right, which is a whole

476
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: other thing.

477
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're longer than you would imagine, similar to nan medal.

478
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: But what I think it shows us is that people

479
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: were working in service of an idea, a greater concept

480
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: or cultural trend. So if you want to make these

481
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: cauldrons or these jars for some reason, and you don't

482
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: have the sandstone nearby, then you grab the granite or

483
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: the limestone.

484
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: You don't have the sandstones.

485
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: Do you know how many?

486
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: That sounds good? I think we keep it.

487
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know how many were made out of quarts? Guys?

488
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: No?

489
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: Zero? At least according to according to plane Dash of

490
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: dash Jars dot Org.

491
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. Also the Crystal Skulls are a hoax, unfortunately.

492
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: But the vodka is a thing that exists, the vodka,

493
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: Crystal Skull vodka. And it's likes company here, it's somebody

494
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: famous as company.

495
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: Somebody it's Dan Ackroyd.

496
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: Sorry, it's Dan Akroyd's company. Is a big old ghosty guy.

497
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: He's really into conspiracy stuff.

498
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: He's got a show too, or he had.

499
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: He did pretty good. He's an odd cat.

500
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: Yes, also Canadian. You like how I added that in

501
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: italics at the.

502
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: End, not mutually exclusive, necessarily being Canadian and being an

503
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: odd cat. But you know, there's a Venn diagram in

504
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 4: there somewhere.

505
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: I think I I think I could listen to him

506
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: talk like maybe all day, just some of them. His

507
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: accent is just so.

508
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: The King of that played and Tommy Boy, he was

509
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: like the Muffler King of.

510
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: I forgot he was in Tommy Yeah he was. Anyway,

511
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: Congratulations Dan, is what we're saying on all your success,

512
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: On all your success, big fans. We also have to

513
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: mention that in these structures you can find human remains.

514
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: And that's the lead.

515
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah. They probably veried a few, But that's

516
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: that's our other big clue. Right, So let's go to

517
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: something we teased earlier, our our immediate questions, who built this?

518
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: Why if one ask who built it, we have to

519
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: look at the folklore, right, ask the people on the ground.

520
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's and has it that a race of giants,

521
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: you love, a giant story ben potentially inhabited the area,

522
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: and we're ruled by a king by the name of

523
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: Kun Chung who fought a very long and ultimately victorious

524
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: battle against an enemy.

525
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And why did he need all those jars?

526
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: He's a big old giant. Why are they just all

527
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: over the place.

528
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: What do you do after you have won a battle

529
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: against a enemy? Well, in Chunk's case, you you make

530
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: a lot of rice wide.

531
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: That's how you replenish your chi in the RPG version

532
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: of this story, right, yeah, flask or whatever you gotta.

533
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: You gotta re up that those hps get that lao high.

534
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

535
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it's uh strategically placed supplies during the battles and

536
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: stuff like reach around.

537
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, yeah, okay, yeah.

538
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: This is all this is made up in my mind.

539
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: Sorry, this is headcannon for us. So maybe the maybe Further,

540
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: the reason that all these jars are broken open and

541
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: strewn around is because they kept drinking the rice wine

542
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 3: and forgot to replace it at some point. Right, So

543
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: maybe like like after a rager house party, you know,

544
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: you walk into the back deck and there are just

545
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: tons of empty miller like hands or something.

546
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 4: Or you go into the fridge and someone's left an

547
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: empty carton of oat milk in there, and you just

548
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: fly into a rage. You know who it was? It

549
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: was the kid? The kid did it?

550
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: Okay? Oh no, I feel like you're coming from some

551
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: first hand experience in that one. Nope, Okay, I'm.

552
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: Venting a little bit. So nobody likes to see that.

553
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to see an empty you know yo yoa

554
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: bag hardboard thing. No, it's no good.

555
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: We you guys know, I drink a lot of strange

556
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: beverages and juices and that they I know what you're

557
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: talking about. Because let's say you get a jar of lemonade,

558
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: right yeah, and there's the one swig left in the body.

559
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: Nobody wants why did you do that?

560
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, well, let's talk about other possible uses

561
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: of this these jars because we can, I tell you

562
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: where my mind went to please do and I saw

563
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: it mentioned in a couple of places. What about ancient techniques,

564
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: techniques for food storage and.

565
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: For fermentation exactly right.

566
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: I don't know why, and I know this is not correct,

567
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: but I imagine the way to create kim chi if

568
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: you're if you're doing it in some of the older

569
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: ways and literally bearing it, burying it for fermentation purposes.

570
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm imagining using some kind of vessel like that, not

571
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: for that specific food, but for something like that.

572
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: I mean, there's all kinds of other like East Asian

573
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: cultures that will wrap things in, say like banana leaves

574
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 4: and bury them in the ground. Like you know, there's

575
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 4: all kinds of examples of what you're talking about, Matt.

576
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

577
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: Also, fermentation is something that humans would be figuring out

578
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: around this time, and fermentation was a global technology because

579
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 3: everybody had to figure out how to keep food edible.

580
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: Right yeah, and stuff to drink right right.

581
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 3: Which would go to the second idea or the third

582
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 3: idea here, which would be storage of rain water for instance,

583
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 3: or storage of something and that all jibes.

584
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: I propose an additional possibility for these jars about clay.

585
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: Yes, wait, are you of Clay.

586
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: Yes, No, that answer is world's apart, my friend.

587
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: Sorry, I never made a beast flood. That one kind

588
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: of broke through Secondler Radio flood. I don't think I

589
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: ever gotten around to the rest of our catalog.

590
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have an album coming out with Dan Ackroyd

591
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: and jaw Rule.

592
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: I can't wait.

593
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: What Ario It's called Jaws of Clay.

594
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: That's too good, Ben, It's terrible.

595
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: Up a little bit.

596
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: It was so good.

597
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: Throughout, joy in my mouth and my heart.

598
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: I could handle it.

599
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: If only we had our own set of gigantic stone jars.

600
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: It's not too late, man, let's let's let's together.

601
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: That's the spirit, and we have to remember that folklore

602
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: always carries with it some version of the truth. We

603
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 3: saw this in earlier giant stories like the c Tech

604
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: check out our episode on that spoiler. We figured out

605
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: what was going on. Maybe here we take a break

606
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: for a word from our sponsors, and then when we return,

607
00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: we ask why build this? Like why why? We We

608
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: seriously still don't really know why people why people were

609
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 3: building this giant or human? And you're right, no, well,

610
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: I love a giant story, but we do know there

611
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: was a little bit of research up until like the

612
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds.

613
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah right, and that's mostly by French academics, primarily one

614
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: in particular, a geologist named Madeline Kolanie, who excavated a

615
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: cave at one of the first French discovered discovered sites.

616
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: I guess, I mean, yeah, it's about claiming things, you know,

617
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 4: named as you put it, Ben in a burst of creativity,

618
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: site number one, like the Blur song. You know, it's

619
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: like a song number one, the Woo who one and

620
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: Kilani explored another six or so sites that contained these jars,

621
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: and for decades her work was kind of seen as

622
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 4: the best Western not like the motel chain exploration of

623
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: the sites and motivations behind building these structures. She kind

624
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: of seems to be the authority for some time on

625
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: what was going on with these these structures.

626
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: And just to be clear here, Kolani in her exploration

627
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: of Site one in particular, she discovered the human bones,

628
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: the teeth, the remains that humans were at one point

629
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: in at least some of these jars.

630
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: As well as pottery sharks.

631
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, pottery, So like why do in my head these

632
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: are almost pottery themselves, But they're not. They are stone,

633
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: they're carved stone structures. If we know that at least

634
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: some of these jars contained human remains, don't we feel

635
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: like that skews like the even the way people would

636
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: think about them, potentially, because you don't accidentally have human

637
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: remains in fermenting jars or in rain dark Okay, no,

638
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: you're right, so, okay, okay. I feel like in my

639
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: if I was out there doing that, it would push

640
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: pretty hard towards Oh, these are funerary rights or this

641
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: is like some kind of burial.

642
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: Ritual, right right, Yeah, and kidding aside, Yes, people end

643
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: up dying in all sorts of strange places and nooks

644
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: and crannies throughout history and throughout the globe. But this

645
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: feels purposeful, right, This feels as though it was built

646
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: to store something. As we're saying, nol Kolani finds these

647
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: strong indicators and is on the right path, right, the

648
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: path toward discovery. Except the research got shut down and

649
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: then banned to the point where if you were a

650
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: professor or a boffin, a fellow nerd eggheader tourists trying

651
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: to check out these sites, you could meet the wrong

652
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: end of a sword, for sure, very nasty stuff. Oh yeah,

653
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: research was banned until nineteen ninety four, which is why

654
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: there are so many theories. You know, in the absence

655
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: of transparency, speculation only thrives. Maybe we start with the

656
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: craziest theory, what if there were giants? There's actually a

657
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: little bit of sandstone to this, as Noel would say.

658
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: Yes, the idea that giant humanoids existed for some period

659
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 4: in that region and potentially learned how to quarry and

660
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 4: carve stone, and then also for some reason didn't leave

661
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: any material trace that they existed other than a bunch

662
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: of carvings on a plateau.

663
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's weird, guys. Do you get images of Skyrim

664
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: at all? And the giants with the mammoths like walk

665
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: after them.

666
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: They always smash me. But they're fun to you know,

667
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: they are gentle. But sometimes you just want to f

668
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: around and find.

669
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 3: Out with those you're going to turn into a stealth archer.

670
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: That's what Skyrim does.

671
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: That's every time, every time. But I guess I just

672
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: have I have images of that in my mind where

673
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: you can imagine early versions of us, imagining the creatures

674
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: like us that are walking around, you know, that are

675
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: close to the size of a mammoth that would you know,

676
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: raise mammoths and use mammoths for whatever purposes, including getting

677
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: their milk like in Skyrim. But whatever you know, I

678
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: mean you can just I think you can imagine that.

679
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. It's also here's the sandstone part about it.

680
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 3: Here's where the argument sounds less crazy. It's the old

681
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 3: Bigfoot question. We're raising, right, these huge things that were

682
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: somewhat like yet entirely distinct from humans. They existed, they proliferated,

683
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: they vanished, They left nothing behind except for the fact

684
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: that they're super into jars. There is a There is

685
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: a fascinating folkloric note because southeastern Asia was, during this

686
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: era of time, home to the world's largest known primate.

687
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 3: It has a very dumb and I would say somewhat

688
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: offensive name. It's full name, but it's real name. Just

689
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 3: call it Gigantipithecus. Yeah.

690
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: Wait, has more than.

691
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: That, Gigantipithecus Blackie.

692
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: Oh, like the Christopher Walk in King Louis and the

693
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 4: live action Jungle Book.

694
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: Yes, just so.

695
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: He even writes it into the song.

696
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: Yes it is. That is a gigantipithecus, and well done.

697
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: This thing only became extinct in the late Middle plastine.

698
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: No one sure why it went extinct. Just like other

699
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: megafauna of the day, it was a big, probably not

700
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: super duper fast herbivore. But this guy's a real chonker,

701
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: ten feet tall, weighed over twelve hundred pounds. Shout out

702
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: again to the US hashtag never the metric system. And

703
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: so we know it's quite possible that human beings Homo

704
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: sapiens in this part of the world ran into this big,

705
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: not quite human thing out there in the forest, so

706
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: they would have to have legends about it.

707
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, really, it really is this. If you

708
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 2: look at size comparisons of like theoretically what Gigantipithicus could

709
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: look like. From what we do know, it does appear

710
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: to be Bigfoot like between somewhere between Bigfoot and King Kong, right,

711
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean it's huge.

712
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. It's also that the way it's depicted in

713
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: the live action Jungle Book, in the King Louis character,

714
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: it looks a lot more like an orogaton.

715
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and and the way it's depicted in

716
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 4: that movie would have been quite significantly larger than the

717
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: real thing as well.

718
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, that's a good point.

719
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and it's yeah, it's it's depicted often in

720
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: some of these what would you call these scientific illustrations

721
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: where it's like, theoretically, this is what it looked like.

722
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: For me, it looks like a cross between an orangutan

723
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: and a gorilla, like the way it you know, would ambulate.

724
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's got the big cheeks too on the front, I.

725
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 4: Mean, but it is not kaiju size.

726
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: No, no, no, definitely definitely a chonky chonky boy. But

727
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: so we know that humans may have interacted with this

728
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: mega fautum in this area at this time. It may

729
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: have informed folklore. But from everything we know about Gigantipithecus,

730
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: which is honestly not a lot, this primate did not

731
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: have the gumption to use tools. There's no record of

732
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: it doing those classic human moves, right, so we could

733
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: say that they that the humans at some point encountered something,

734
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: maybe even Gigantipithecus. Honestly, if we know humans, which we do,

735
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: the odds are that they are the reason that Gigantopithicus

736
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: went extinct.

737
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you likely wouldn't have much time for fossils

738
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: to be created. It just depends on you if you

739
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: theoretically did have an interaction between let's say a large

740
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: group of Gigantopithecus that lived in that area. Then humans

741
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: come in. Humans figure out how to basically kill all

742
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: of them and eat them, and potentially eat them. There

743
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: really wouldn't be anything left. Those bones would go away

744
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: over that span of time.

745
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a scary point. I mean, check out the

746
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: story of those poor hobbits in Indonesia. The other version

747
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: of this also happened. Yeah, I think they ate the

748
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: hobbits man.

749
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure seems like it.

750
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: That's Homo Florenzi's right.

751
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never know how to pronounce it.

752
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 3: So anyway, Yes, hobbits are real. We're just gonna throw

753
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: that one out for you. Check out our earlier episode.

754
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: We mentioned this just a few minutes ago. Based on

755
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: the admittedly scant investigations so far, the jars do appear

756
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: to be some form of grave. They do appear to

757
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: be funereal. They appear to be ritualistic cemeteries. And we

758
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: know that the humans have always deified, worshiped, and feared

759
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: the dead right because death is the one certitude other

760
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: than being alive, that everybody has to go to it's

761
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: go through. It's quite universal. So maybe people in the

762
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: area were just following the same rules as other cultures,

763
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: making sophisticated monuments for their loved ones when those folks

764
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: passed away.

765
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially, for sure. I found a Fox News article, guys,

766
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: that was from twenty nineteen that was discussing the number

767
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: of young persons, like remains of young persons that were

768
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: found in these jars, and it was something like over

769
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: over fifty percent of the humans that were found or

770
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: the remains that were found in these jars were i

771
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: think fifteen years old or younger, and a significant proportion

772
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: of those were children that either died at birth or

773
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: during birth, or you know, before they were born, those

774
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 2: kinds of things. Yeah, it almost seems like a way

775
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: to remember at least young people, but maybe not all

776
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: young people, right.

777
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then also we have to realize our sample

778
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: size is pretty small because it's based on just the

779
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: remains that were found. So as a counterfactual, it's completely

780
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 3: possible that someone that let's say these were graves, let's

781
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: say there were grave robbers, and they just had at

782
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: least enough of a moral compass, you know, not to

783
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: disgrace the remains of children.

784
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that.

785
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: As possible that. I don't know if it's true.

786
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it's just to give you the actual quote here, guy,

787
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: instead of off the top of my head. According to

788
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: Fox News article, researchers found that over sixty percent of

789
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: the population at Site one, that specific Site one that

790
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier, was less than fifteen years of age,

791
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: and almost half of those died at the fetal stage

792
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: or in early infancy.

793
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and there does seem to be some sand

794
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 3: to that. We also know it's possible these were not

795
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: permanent graves. It might be a case where a body

796
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: was placed within a jar and was decomposed or laying

797
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 3: in state before it was moved to a secondary location.

798
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: Because our next question is inevitably going to be why

799
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: do not all of the jars have human remains?

800
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: That's a great question.

801
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a question.

802
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I had all different kinds of stuff in jars.

803
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 4: You know, the jar is not just for one type

804
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: of thing.

805
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 3: I love that, jock.

806
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you guys see that there's this theory that

807
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: potentially the jars were used for almost it's not the

808
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 2: same thing. Some of the rights that have been around

809
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: for a long time, where humans either attempt to preserve

810
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: the squishy bits of a body after it's died, or

811
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: to remove the squishy bits so that all you have

812
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: is like bones.

813
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: Right right leading up to usually in a process leading

814
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: up to a final phase of internment or incineration. Yeah,

815
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: we know that. I'm glad you mentioned this because we

816
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: know that in the royal tradition of Thailand's ruling family,

817
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 3: historically your body is cremated, but only many months after

818
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: your death, and your body will be moved from one

819
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: urn to the next until the final day of incineration.

820
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: And the belief is that this reflects the gradual transition

821
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: from the earthly world to the world of the spirits

822
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 3: or the heavens. So so totally possible. Also, I love

823
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: that point. Yeah. People keep all kinds of stuff in jars.

824
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

825
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, I'm just gonna say, I've got my dog

826
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: that passed recently in a thing like that, just because

827
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: I want to have it around, you know. And I

828
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: can imagine that if you've got loved ones that passed,

829
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: you put them in one of those things until they're

830
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: ready for whatever the rights are you.

831
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and maybe maybe waiting is part of the ritual.

832
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's tough because we do have to remember

833
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: these are real people, no matter how long ago, and

834
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: they did die. It's possible too that this became a

835
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: social flex, that this became an impressive thing to do well.

836
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 4: I mean, surely these are innate things were not just

837
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 4: for everybody, right, I mean it would seem it's almost

838
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 4: like tantamount to you know, the Pharaohs and having very

839
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 4: very ornate sarcophagus sarcophaguy or whatever, and like you know,

840
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 4: the Pyramids and all of that. It would it would

841
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: certainly seem that if there were versions of these there

842
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: were for like you know, the plubs or whatever, that

843
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 4: they would be significantly less ornate. I mean, you know,

844
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: when my mother passed away, like to get anything beyond

845
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 4: just like the most basic of urns is very expensive

846
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: even today.

847
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: But there's so many of them, you I don't know,

848
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: act so many places.

849
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's yeah, I think it's

850
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: more a function of this is the normalized way to

851
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: commemorate the dead or to process that that passage. But

852
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 3: there's also you know, I love that we're pointing out

853
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: the common misconception about ancient Egypt. Not everybody got a pyramid.

854
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: It was a very one percent thing for those guys,

855
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: and it was dare I say, a pyramid scheme?

856
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: Wow? All right, a lot of work for one one individual.

857
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah.

858
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: Have we done a full episode about pyramids and like

859
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: the theories of like energy usage and battery storage and

860
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: all the stuff like that.

861
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's only come up in other conversations,

862
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 4: but i'd have to look.

863
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: Right, lay lines a couple.

864
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: Videos specifically with water and like us it. I don't

865
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: I've been I've been going down some YouTube rabbit holes

866
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: about pyramids and I want to talk about it with

867
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: you guys at some point.

868
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 4: Or going energy.

869
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I I I love it. I will also, without

870
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: hesitation and without apology, reuse that pyramid scheme joke because

871
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: I really like it.

872
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 4: Make it too.

873
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 3: So it is possible then that if this were a

874
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: normalized social thing, people might begin planning for their demise

875
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: right the same way, you know, the same way people

876
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 3: build a taj mahal, or they plan a graveyard or

877
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 3: grave plot before their time. This we know this would

878
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: have happened generation after generation but we will probably not

879
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: have the answers we hope we do. But this is

880
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 3: why we need your help. This is a UNESCO World

881
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: Heritage Site. It is one of the most important in

882
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 3: the area, and it got the ever loving Christ bombed

883
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 3: out of it over and over again. Imagine if all

884
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: the bombs in World War Two were just dropped on Stoneheinge.

885
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: That's insane, I mean, and that's accurate, Ben, because this

886
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: this is a very small, geographically small part of the world.

887
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's this is what we wanted to open

888
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 3: with and to close with. The Plane of Jars fell

889
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: victim to bombing. Even today, there are areas of the

890
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: plane that are full stop unsafe, even for the rats,

891
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 3: even for the rats that are trained to figure out

892
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: the bombs, you know what I mean. Sometimes the rats

893
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: just turn around and say, like, I'm not paid enough

894
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 3: for this.

895
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, I've no amount of cheddar is worth this, Chad,

896
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 4: of course it's scheddar.

897
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know, I don't know if I'm trying

898
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: to get this out, guys, Sometimes the numbers get skewed

899
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: in a way that makes you or makes me feel like, oh,

900
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 2: that's not that big a deal. But you read something

901
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: like there were sixty three accidents in twenty twenty one

902
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: where there was unexploded ordinance that went off and maimed or.

903
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 4: Killed people, right, twenty twenty one, Yeah, which reported exactly.

904
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: So like immediately when you see that number, you're like, oh,

905
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: that's not that many. Maybe that's not that big of

906
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: a deal. Oh it's a huge freaking deal.

907
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: It definitely is, because, as we mentioned previously, from nineteen

908
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: sixty four to nineteen seventy three, as part of what

909
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 3: is conventionally called the Cold War or the Secret War,

910
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: the US military dropped more than two million tons worth

911
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: of bombs over this country in secret, with the idea

912
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: that doing so would prevent the spread of communist forces. Again,

913
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: very Cold War, very Domino theory of hegemony. The CIA

914
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: stepped in to radicalize and train anti communist forces pulled

915
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: from local tribes like Mong tribes, and the whole thing was,

916
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 3: let's disrupt supply chains to communist Vietnamese forces. Before you

917
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 3: think we're getting too political, folks, please remember Dwight Eisenhower

918
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: is the guy who greenlit this, the CIA activity and

919
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: the whole shebang, And then the next several presidents, regardless

920
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 3: of their political ideology, were fully on board with doing this.

921
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: They just made it more extreme. Kennedy, Linda Johnson, Richard Nixon.

922
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: They may have had public performance differences in their speeches,

923
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: but when they got to the closed door of the

924
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: Oval Office, they all co signed on continuing these programs.

925
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: Yep, it's messed up. To look at a map too.

926
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: If you go back and watch some documentaries about the

927
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: Vietnam War, you can see Dnang, which is one of

928
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: the main places that troops were deployed from. You can

929
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: if you just look at the map, you can see

930
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: how they would send aerial attacks to the north towards

931
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: northern Vietnam where they were going to drop those bombs,

932
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: and they would just fly right over Laos, which is

933
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: basically a strip next to the strip that is Vietnam,

934
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 2: and then hang or right as they're going over where

935
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: this plane is the plane of jars, and it's just

936
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: where they were dropping bombs.

937
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: And it's horrifying, horrifying, and it's true. It's also it's

938
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: a heartbreaking thing for humanity overall. Because of this activity,

939
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 3: humanity has prevented itself from solving some ancient mysteries, from

940
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: doing real research that tells humans where they come from.

941
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: That's why most of the vast area containing the jars

942
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: today is off limits to the public. You can visit

943
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: like seven sites. I think Site one is probably the

944
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: most fascinating because it has a specific and unique type

945
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: of jar, a limestone jar. At Site one, who knows

946
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: how old it is. It has a bass relief carving

947
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: of something that looks like a hybrid between a human

948
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: being and a front why. Okay, no one knows. It's

949
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 3: just one of those ancient things that we could have

950
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 3: figured out if we could just stop bombing each other.

951
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: Yep, look up the Victory Cup and plane of jars.

952
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of amazing individual jars like that, and

953
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: just the whole thing itself. It's been a fascinating episode, absolutely.

954
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: We hope. So we also hope you can solve it.

955
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: Tell us what's going on if you happen to be

956
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: on the ground, if you are an ancient giant or

957
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: Eldrich Bean, who has a good explanation for why you

958
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: would get in a situation where you have to build

959
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: these gigantic stone cauldrons. We want to hear from you.

960
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,600
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961
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,640
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964
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,920
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965
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: be easy to find one.

966
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,680
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967
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 4: where we exist all over the Internet, your Internet platform

968
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969
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,240
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970
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,040
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971
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,720
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972
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 4: Conspiracy Stuff Show.

973
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: We have a phone number. Put this in your phone

974
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: right now as a contact. Call it whatever you want,

975
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: maybe the dark OVI a good one. Call one eight

976
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,440
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977
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,040
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978
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,360
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979
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,520
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980
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982
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,680
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983
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984
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,600
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985
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,280
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986
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987
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988
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:22,280
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989
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990
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