1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast Day 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. We invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: let's start with Strange Things with Joshua P. 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: Warren. 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: By the Wizard of Weird Strange Things with Joshua Warren, 15 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: I am JOSHUAA. BE Warren, and each week on this show, 16 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, 17 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 18 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: lot more. And on this edition of the show, one 19 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: of the strangest phenomena we can possibly talk about the 20 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: Mandela effect. Those of you who know what that is 21 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: are like Oh yeah, this is gonna be good. If 22 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: you've never heard of the Mandela effect, by the end 23 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: of this show, you're going to be scratched your brain. 24 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: And I'm bringing this up right now because I have 25 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: some breaking news for you. You were the first to hear this. 26 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: I just received a report from the field from people 27 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: who contacted me who just experienced the Loss Vegas time warp, 28 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: and I call it the Vegas Interstate Time Anomaly or VISTA. 29 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: This is something that I actually, quote unquote discovered, but 30 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: it turns out what I discovered fits into a much 31 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: larger series of experiences that people have been having for 32 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: a long long time. I'll explain more about that in 33 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: a minute, but I'm going to first read the email 34 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: to you that I received from the people who had 35 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: this experience, and then I called them and I recorded 36 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: the phone call with their permission, of course, and I'm 37 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: going to let you hear in their own words what 38 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: they experienced as they were driving north from Las Vegas 39 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: heading back up to their home in Washington State, having 40 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: no idea that they were passing through this area that's 41 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: well known for this strange phenomenon. You're going to hear 42 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: on their own words, what happened to them as they 43 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: passed through the time warp zone. And before I get 44 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: any further into what they experienced, let me just say 45 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: I know a lot of you who have been following 46 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: my work already know what I'm talking about when I 47 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: talk about the Las Vegas time warp. But let me 48 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: refresh you. And of course if you're a new listener, 49 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: well listen to this. This is something interesting to think about. 50 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: I guess the easiest way to get a handle on 51 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: this is to just literally read to you the press 52 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: release that I put out in June of twenty eighteen 53 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: that went viral and ended up being picked up by 54 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: news outlets, major news outlets all over the world. The 55 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: headline of the press release was spacetime anomaly discovered near 56 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Do you ever feel the traffic lights and 57 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: Las Vegas take too long? Well, there may be a 58 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: good reason. Joshua P. Warren, a professional investigator who has 59 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: appeared on the History Channel, Discovery Channel, and nat GEO, 60 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: claims he has documented a quote space time warp on 61 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: the outskirts of Vegas. Quote. I am the first person 62 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: to use a brand new technology, a differential time rate meter, 63 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: or DT meter to search for time anomalies near Vegas, 64 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: says Warren. Quote, I travel to area fifty one for tests, 65 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: but I found the strangest reading much closer to Vegas 66 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: end quote. Warren documented times slowing down by twenty microseconds, 67 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: which is twenty one hundred thousandths of a second, just 68 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: north of Vegas, between I fifteen and Route ninety three. 69 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: He is calling this the Vegas Interstate time anomaly or VISTA, 70 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: and he says this is only supposed to happen if 71 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: a black hole approaches Earth. Thus his result is truly inexplicable. 72 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: Engineer Ron Heath, who invented the DT meter, called the 73 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: result quote incredible. Quote. This is also an area where 74 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: many strange lights have been recorded in the night sky. 75 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: Warren said, I think there may have been Excuse me, 76 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: I think there may be a space time warp on 77 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: the edges of the city, But there has been so 78 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: much man may tech nearby that it's taken a while 79 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: to realize what's naturally happening, and the surrounding hills and 80 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: mountains end quote. Warren believes the Vegas Valley may indeed 81 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: be a natural hot spot for strange activity due to 82 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: these space time warps, but he is open to the 83 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: idea that government technology is causing them. Quote there are 84 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: many secret projects taking place around here. Last year the 85 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: Pentagon confessed to back engineering UFO tech here, and now 86 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: President Trump is forming a space force. Las Vegas is 87 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: an important crossroads for strange phenomena and it may be 88 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: a combo of what is naturally here and how the 89 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: government is taking advantage of it. End quote. Okay, that 90 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: gives you a really nice little overview of what happened. 91 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: To summarize it even more, Ronald Heath, who supports my work, 92 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: listens to the show. He sent me his new creation, 93 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: the DT meter, and to give you a clear idea 94 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: of how the DT meter works. Basically, he was inspired 95 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: by an episode of The X Files where Molder goes 96 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: out to investigate an area where a UFO has been seen, 97 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: and he takes two clocks that are synchronized, and he 98 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: leaves one at his car, and he takes the other 99 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: to the site where the UFO was seen, and later 100 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: he compares them and they are no longer synchronized. The 101 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: idea being that one of the clocks was exposed to 102 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: some area where there was sort of a scarring of 103 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: space time from this UFO technology, and so he created 104 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: Ronald Heath created an actual meter that would allow you 105 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: to measure the same type of difference by comparing two 106 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: spots that are about one hundred feet apart. So I 107 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: got the thing, I mayd the measurement. I was on 108 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: my way to Area fifty one, just like I said, 109 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to get something weird there. 110 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: I was stopping to get controls at various points along 111 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: the way on the side of the road, and I 112 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: was amazed that I got something at this nondescript site 113 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: on the side of the road. I was even more 114 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: astounded to learn after the fact that that spot, which 115 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: meant nothing to me, happened to be a spot that 116 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I learned was just famous, if not infamous, for UFO 117 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: experiences in this area. Steve Barone, a big ufologist, has 118 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: spent years documenting amazing video footage. He's got incredible footage 119 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: of UFOs all around that area flying in the night sky. 120 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: A man named Sean Kevin Jason had a close encounter 121 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six at this spot where one of 122 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: these big triangular craft was twenty feet over his car. 123 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: For about I think he said ten minutes. I actually 124 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: went to the site with Sean Kevin Jason videotape tim 125 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: telling the story and verifying where he you know, where 126 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: we were was where he had his experience. And then 127 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: since then, I mean, it's just been incredible how all 128 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: these different reports keep pouring in, and it's almost like 129 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: plot points on a graph, not something that's a concerted effort. 130 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: It's like somebody has a weird experience, they go searching 131 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: for an answer, and then we all start finding each 132 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: other and we realize what we have in common is 133 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: this spot. So there's something about this spot, and it's 134 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: not consistent. Okay, I've gone back to that spot on 135 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: numerous occasions since then, and I have not measured the 136 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: time anomaly again. So I keep getting these reports, however, 137 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: from people like this one that just came in from Michael. 138 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: I will not give his last name out let me 139 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: read you the email. This came to me in November, 140 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: and of course I record these podcasts a little bit 141 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: before they are dropped. But anyway, he says, hello, my 142 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: name is Michael, and my wife Stephanie and I had 143 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: a very strange experience last night in Nevada coming out 144 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: of Vegas. We are hoping you could help shed some 145 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: light on what happened to us. We happened to come 146 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: across your time warp news video after searching to try 147 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: to get some explanations on what happened last night, and 148 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: both of us are freaked out and floored to learn 149 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: that in the very spot you claim to have found 150 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: a time warp that slowed time down. We had a 151 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: very strange experience. We were traveling north still are in 152 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: fact almost home now to Washington State, roughly twenty to 153 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: thirty minutes outside Vegas on I fifteen, headed toward the 154 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: ninety three north to go home. We lost roughly an 155 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: hour and twenty minutes of time and ended up about 156 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: eight miles past the ninety three, when our GPS stated 157 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: we still had around thirty six miles to go. I 158 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: saw a flash of light going sideways in the sky 159 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: ahead in the distance, and then the weird time loss happened. 160 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: Please feel free to contact me if you would like 161 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: to know more and if you can help us understand 162 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: what we experienced. And so guess what I did? Yeah, 163 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: I called him and I talked to both him and 164 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: Stephanie they were still rattled. This was all fresh on 165 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: their minds. And when we come back from this break, 166 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: I am going to play that actual conversation with you, 167 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: and you're gonna hear straight from their mouths exactly what 168 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: they experienced as they passed through this spot. And mind you, 169 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: this is coming from people who had no idea that 170 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: there was any clay or any legend or any pop 171 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: culture reference whatsoever to a time warp at this spot 172 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. And so imagine, truly from their point 173 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: of view, how shocked they were to have this disorienting 174 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: bizarro experience. Get online just to see if there was 175 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: possibly an explanation and say, holy crap, there's a time 176 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: warp there. Listen to this, and as you will hear, 177 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: when we come back from the break and I play 178 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: my call with them, you will hear that still they're 179 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what happened to them. It was 180 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: that level of confusion and it shook them quite a lot. 181 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: So I think you're going to enjoy hearing this. If 182 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: you love amazing pictures, videos, and breaking content, be sure 183 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: to sign up for my free e newsletter at Joshua 184 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: Pwarren dot com. 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Welcome back to Strange 195 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 196 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, 197 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your worm whole brain from 198 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every 199 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: day is golden and every night is silver, and I'm 200 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,119 Speaker 1: about to play for you part of my phone conversation 201 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: with Michael and Stephanie, husband and wife who had two 202 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: kids in the car, who experienced something really strange in 203 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: what we call the Las Vegas Time warp zone. They're 204 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: from Washington State. They were visiting relatives in Arizona. They 205 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: swung by Las Vegas on their way back, and when 206 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: they headed north of Law Vegas on their way back 207 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: to Washington State, they got into that odd area. And 208 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: you will hear the confusion in their voices when they 209 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: tell you what happened to them. And after we take 210 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: the break, after that, I will tell you about the 211 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: Mandela effect and how that these things may relate, why 212 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: the Mandela effect may have something to do with space 213 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: time warps, and just to also give you a bit 214 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: more context before I play this interview for you. You know, 215 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: when I documented the time warp in June of twenty eighteen, 216 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: it was in the midst of a series of strange 217 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: events that have to do with a lot of the 218 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: UFO activity in this area. For example, well December of 219 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, that's when the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program 220 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: or a TIP was announced the Pentagon project to back 221 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: engineer UFOs. Early June of twenty eighteen, NASA announced quote 222 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: complex organic material found on Mars June eighteenth of twenty eighteen, 223 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: That's when I discovered the time warp. And that same 224 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: day is when I first saw that President Trump announced 225 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: the formation of the Space Force. On July twenty fifth 226 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, NASA announced they'd found quote an underground 227 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: lake on Mars End. Quote. Also on July twenty fifth 228 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, George Knapp, investigative journalist, released Senator Harry 229 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: Reid's letter dated June twenty fourth of twenty nine about 230 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: these exotic technologies that were being back engineered as part 231 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: of the well. He was a part of the A 232 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: TIP project, and he was of course the Senate majority 233 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: leader at that time. And then in August of twenty eighteen, 234 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: it was also announced that in June of twenty eighteen, 235 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: when I got my reading, the Air Force dropped a 236 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: new type of earth penetrating nuclear gravity bomb from a 237 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: B two at Nellis Air Force Base, right beside the 238 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: time warp location. Now, I could go on with some 239 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: other connections, but don't you think that's all kind of 240 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: interesting that this discovery of the time warp it fell 241 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: within this sort of again a crucial series of events. 242 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: Bear that in mind, but let's just take it to 243 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: basics first, what is the human experience? 244 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: Like? 245 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: What is that confusion that you you that you you 246 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: know you you endure when you go through a site 247 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: like this. Well you're about to hear right now from 248 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: Michael and Stephanie. Put yourself in their shoes. Here we go. 249 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 5: Because of course, after you have something weird like this happened, 250 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 5: you try to make sense of it. Yeah, and so 251 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 5: I we're retracing. We realized we were on the ninety three. 252 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 5: We were supposed to turn off onto three eighteen, and 253 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 5: that's when some weird stuff, just stuff just didn't start 254 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 5: adding up. 255 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 4: So, yeah, we stopped by a little cemetery in Alamo, Nevada. Yeah, 256 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 4: right off of the ninety three, and we left there 257 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 4: and my wife was looking through some pictures. We took 258 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 4: it to cemetery and I came around a corner and 259 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 4: right over this little mountain range off to the right 260 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 4: hand side, I saw like a flash of light like 261 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 4: somebody took a camera picture, but it was long, like 262 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: a bolt of lightning. And then stuff just started getting 263 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 4: weird from there. 264 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: So let me start by by getting a little bit 265 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: more information about the two of you, though, I mean, 266 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: if you don't mind, sort of tell us what you 267 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: do for a living and sort of what brought you 268 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: to Vegas and sort of set the stage for this 269 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: whole trip, and so everybody has a feeling for you. 270 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: Eyes are. 271 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a marine hydraulics mechanic. I'd fix all the 272 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 4: ships down in Seattle and fix all the hydraulics and 273 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 4: trains and stuff like that. And we were headed down 274 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: there because my dad lives in Kingman, Arizona, so we 275 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 4: went out to visit him. 276 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: Okay, how about you, Stephanie. 277 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 5: I'm I'm a stay at home mom. Okay, We've got 278 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 5: we've got four kids all together, but two were adults 279 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 5: on their own and then two little ones, so I 280 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 5: stay home and take care of them. I also have 281 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 5: some health issues, so that kind of prevents me from 282 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 5: going anywhere. But we did have a nice little trip 283 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 5: out to Arizona, and we stopped by Vegas. On the 284 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 5: way back. The kids went to Circus Circus and as 285 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 5: we were heading out when we had some weird experience 286 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 5: we cannot explain and because we're just kind of left baffled. Yes, 287 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 5: baffles a really good word for it. 288 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: So the two of you were in your vehicle with 289 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: what four children? 290 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 5: You said, No, we have four all together. But two 291 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: were little two are still with us. So we have 292 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 5: a ten year old and eleven year old with us, okay, 293 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 5: and our lab our lab Coda, and we're traveling to 294 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 5: try and make our way back home. We're switching drivings 295 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 5: for what to drive, drive straight through and get home 296 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 5: as fast as possible, and. 297 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: What kind of a what kind of a vehicle do 298 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: you have? 299 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 5: Twenty thirteen Chevy Silverado. 300 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: Okay. I'm just interested in little details like that to 301 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: look for patterns and you know. Yeah, and also, you know, Michael, 302 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: since you are an engineer of sorts, I mean, I 303 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: think that's also an interesting point. You have to be 304 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: sort of a nuts and bolts, you know, logical person 305 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: to be in that field. And so I mean, when 306 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: you're baffled, it's probably a pretty big deal. Huh. 307 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 308 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: It takes a lot to make me really question something 309 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: like that. I was really baffled by that one. 310 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: So okay, now, so you were you stopped in Vegas 311 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: and then you were heading north from Vegas on your 312 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: way back home, and is that correct? Yep? Okay, so 313 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: let's just start again from your in Vegas. You're driving north, 314 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: and just tell me exactly the details you can remember 315 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: about that trip, and even if things don't make sense, 316 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: let's just give us the facts the best you can. 317 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 5: It started with things not making sense when we got 318 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 5: back on the highway. Obviously we're doing a little road trip, 319 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 5: and older cemeteries and things like that they interest me personally, 320 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 5: so I begged him to stop. We passed the first one. 321 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 5: I was a little disappointed, so we've seen another sign. 322 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 5: Ended up over at the Richard Bilt Cemetery. Took a 323 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 5: couple pictures, and when we pulled in there, my GPS 324 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 5: on Google Maps was saying that we still had like 325 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 5: thirty six miles before we needed to go to our turnoff. 326 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 5: So I didn't think it was like a big deal. 327 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 5: If I looked through the pictures on my phone, we 328 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 5: got back on the road, I thought, you know, we've 329 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 5: got quite a ways to go. We're not going to 330 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 5: miss our turnoff. And as I'm looking through my pictures 331 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 5: on my phone, I never exited out of my Google 332 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 5: screen for Maps. It just went into a smaller screen, 333 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: and so I stopped looking at the pictures. 334 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 4: And the whole. 335 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 5: Thing was probably about five minutes, and I went to 336 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 5: go back on my screen and all of a sudden, 337 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 5: my Google Maps was telling me that we're rerouting and 338 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 5: we had no clue, but we never saw a sign 339 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 5: for the turnoff that we needed to go through. We 340 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 5: end up like almost eight miles past where we need 341 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 5: to turn off, and now Google Maps is acting weird 342 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 5: on my phone, telling me we need to take a right, not. 343 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 4: A left, out into the middle of. 344 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: The desert nowhere on this like back road. And it 345 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 5: gave me a really bad ominus feeling. So I looked 346 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 5: and I said, you're not taking that route, and Google 347 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 5: wasn't working. I hadn't had a problem with Google coming in. 348 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 5: We took the same route out that we took in, 349 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 5: so I don't know if that had anything to do 350 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: with the weirdness of it. But the strange part was 351 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 5: I noticed something was wrong, and in between when we 352 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: left there and we ended up where that weird dirt 353 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 5: road was, was when Mike saw the flash. I didn't 354 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 5: see it, like I said, I was looking at pictures 355 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 5: from the cemetery on my phone, so I didn't personally 356 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 5: see the flash. He just looked it. He was just 357 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 5: driving and all of a sudden he just started going, 358 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 5: what the F was that? And I was like, what, 359 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 5: and he told me what happened, and I joked, honestly, 360 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, we're going to get beamed up 361 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 5: by aliens or something now, just joking, you know. And 362 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 5: then of course I realized something was wrong. When it 363 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 5: was after midnight, There's no possible way, and it seemed 364 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 5: like it was only five minutes since we left the cemetery. 365 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 5: It should not have been after midnight. We lost We 366 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 5: thought it was initially about an hour and a half 367 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 5: of time, but after we looked at the time stamp 368 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 5: on the photos and stuff, it was closer to about 369 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 5: an hour of time that we can't account for. The 370 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 5: drive from the time that we left the cemetery of 371 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 5: Richard Bill Cemetery to where we ended up this dirt 372 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 5: road that Google Maps told us to go to, There's 373 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 5: no way. It felt like a five minute drive when 374 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: we ended up way the heck out there. 375 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: No I knew for a. 376 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 4: Fact we had to turn it that little et beef 377 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 4: jerky gas or station, take a left there and head 378 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 4: onto the three eighteen. I wouldn't we never We never 379 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: seen it. 380 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 5: We never seen the little et gas jerkey station. We 381 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: stopped there on the way in so we knew we 382 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 5: never even seen it. We just ended up eight miles 383 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 5: past and now we're realizing this after midnight. Our time 384 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 5: stamps on our pictures show that the last time that 385 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 5: we took a picture at the graveyard was eleven seventeen, 386 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 5: and we drove right out of there. We only stayed 387 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 5: a couple of minutes, took a couple of pictures and 388 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 5: looked around, and we didn't even get out of the truck. 389 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 5: We just kind of drove through and looked and, oh, 390 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 5: cool cemetery. You know, we don't have cemeteries and stuff 391 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 5: like that of course out here in Washington, so it 392 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 5: was kind of a sight attraction thing for us on 393 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 5: the way out. But just the whole thing kind of 394 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 5: gave you a weird feeling. After you saw the flash 395 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 5: of light, it just seemed like everything was different. Does 396 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 5: that make sense? Like realizing that you're missing time? Like, 397 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 5: how did so much time pass? We were just down 398 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 5: the road and we just left the cemetery. How are 399 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 5: we an hour already passed and eight pet miles past 400 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 5: are where we were supposed to turn off. It just 401 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 5: didn't make sense. 402 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: And again, what's the closest area that you can remember 403 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: being near and what did you see. 404 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 5: One. 405 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 4: I'm looking at the map I printed out right now 406 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 4: off of Google Maps, and we're in Alamo. We left 407 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 4: there and the only corner from there is at Ash 408 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 4: Springs Rock art site, and it sort of curves off 409 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 4: to the right, and right when we came around that curve, 410 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 4: there was a mountain straight ahead of us, and right 411 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 4: above the mountain, it looked like a lightning bolt, but sideways, 412 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: completely sideway, but lightning kind of like lingers. For just 413 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 4: a second, this was more like a camera flash, like 414 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 4: just a blink. And I got really confused by that. 415 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: It didn't make any sense. There was no practical reason 416 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: why that would happen at all in the middle of 417 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 4: the desert. 418 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua PEE Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on 419 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, 420 00:26:32,359 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: and I will be right back. Welcome back to Strange 421 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Peronormal 422 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And 423 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Is 424 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: it possible that these space time warps are symptoms of 425 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: the timelines being manipulated by time travelers, like I have 426 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: talked about in my para temporal loop hypothesis, or something 427 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: else that's even weirder. Well, let me read a passage 428 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: for you from a book I wrote years ago called 429 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: pet Ghost, where I talk about all kinds of non 430 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: human apparitions, And of course I'm talking here about the thunderbird, 431 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: which is just a gigantic bird, a huge bird, according 432 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: to legend, especially a lot of Native American lore. The 433 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: most amazing thunderbird incident occurred in eighteen ninety near the 434 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: notorious Tombstone, Arizona. The local newspaper, the Tombstone Epitaph supposedly 435 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: printed a story on April twenty sixth of eighteen ninety 436 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: about several locals who had shot and killed one of 437 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: these magnificent animals, along with a photograph. According to legend, 438 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: the photo showed at least a half dozen men posed 439 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: beside the beast, which was nailed to a wall. The 440 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: bird was mentioned by writer Horace Bell in the nineteen 441 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: thirty book on the Old West Coast, yet for the 442 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: most part, this incident did not enter the popular consciousness 443 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: until nineteen sixty three, and that year a man named 444 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Jack Pearl wrote of seeing the picture in Saga Magazine, 445 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: a pulp publication geared toward men. Later, in September of 446 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: nineteen six, H. M. Cranmer wrote of seeing the photograph 447 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: in Fate magazine. However, no one could produce the actual image. 448 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: Stories regarding the thunderbird photo were fairly consistent. A group 449 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: of rugged old timers stood next to a dead winged 450 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: beast that was spread on a boarded wall, but aside 451 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: from that, descriptions varied. Some claimed the wingspan was twenty feet, 452 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: others said it was more like one hundred. All the 453 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: while staff of the Tombstone Epitaph looked through their files 454 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: to no of l they claimed there was no trace 455 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: of this image. Various historians poured over Epitaph issues without success, 456 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: even as others said it had been reprinted in a 457 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: variety of modern periodicals, but that only reinforced the zeal 458 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: of those who claimed to have seen the picture. More 459 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: and more came forth each day. Even Ivan T. Sanderson, 460 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: the famed writer and researcher of natural anomalies, claimed to 461 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: have a copy of the elusive photo. Canadian researcher W. 462 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: Richie Benedict had a particularly titillating tale. In nineteen seventy one, 463 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: he claimed to have watched an episode of the Canadian 464 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: show called Pierre Burton, a talk show. On the program, 465 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: Burton's guest Sanderson, displayed a copy of the Thunderbird photo 466 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: on a placard. In order to find that episode, Benedict 467 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: contacted the screen Jim's organization in Ontario. They were unable 468 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: to produce the image, but Benedict finally received a letter 469 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: from Burton himself, and in the letter, Burton said he 470 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: remembered that episode as well as the picture, but did 471 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: not have a copy. Next, Benedict turned to the National 472 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: Archives and they replied saying they had sixty seven of 473 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: the shows on file, all except the relevant one. Even 474 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: John Kill of Mothman fame said he'd seen and perhaps 475 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: once owned a copy of the picture. According to some sources, 476 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: like researcher Troy Taylor, Kill remarked, I know I saw it, 477 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: and not only that, I compared notes with a lot 478 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: of people who saw it. Peter Johnson, a correspondent of 479 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: the late Mark Travinsky's Strange magazine, also said he'd seen it. 480 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: He said, what I saw in one of these magazines, 481 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget it because it amazed me at 482 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: the time, because I did not think the cowboys were 483 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: ever clean shaven. I saw the men were standing in 484 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: the foreground there in front of the barn, or the 485 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: side of a railway car, or the side of a 486 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: big house or whatever, this big boarded thing. They had 487 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: beards and broad brimmed hats like sombreros, and it was very, 488 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: very unusual, and I thought, how weird. Cowboys never looked 489 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: like that. So I've always remembered them as being miners. 490 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Mark Travinsky went on the hunt to the best of 491 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: his ability. There was listen to this. Peter Johnson said 492 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: that he jogged a researcher's memory named Richie Benedict, and 493 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: he recalled he may have seen the photograph in Saga magazine, 494 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: perhaps in the mid nineteen sixties, but said, I went 495 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: to the Library of Congress and checked out all the 496 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: issues of Saga from nineteen fifty eight through nineteen seventy, 497 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: and I can assure you it is not in any 498 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: of those issues. Okay, these reports go on and on 499 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: and on, so we have to ask ourselves. Is this 500 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: some type of technology that's being used that somehow manipulates 501 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: the timelines, whether it's being used by us or somewhere 502 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: somebody else, I mean, what's going on here? I mean 503 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: we can imagine that some aspect of our society, perhaps 504 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: religious or governmental, feels threatened by certain discoveries and suppresses them. 505 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: But is it possible there is just another dimension filled 506 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: with other creatures and agendas. I mean, if you obtained 507 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: a copy of the Thunderbird photograph tomorrow, by the time 508 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: you brought it to a newspaper or your scanner, would 509 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: it just be a blank piece of paper? I mean, 510 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: this kind of unsettling reality is something that we have 511 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: to face, we have to take seriously. And when I 512 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: wrote about that, nobody had ever come up with this 513 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: term called the Mandela effect. And if you look that 514 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: up right now on Wikipedia, it takes you to an 515 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: article about what they call false memory. Here's what it says. 516 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: False memories can sometimes be shared by multiple people. This 517 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: is sometimes called the Mandela effect. Examples include memories of 518 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: the Berenstein bears name being spelled Berenstein b e ri 519 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: e n sti n it's not STI n. It's st 520 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: ai N. It's not st e i N. It's sd 521 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: ai N. The existence of a nineteen nineties movie entitled 522 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: Shazam starring comedian Sindbad as a genie. People say that 523 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: they saw that movie. It never existed. They are all 524 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: kinds of examples of what are called the Mandela effect, 525 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: where people say, look, I saw something, I experienced something. 526 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: I know it's real, but it's not there anymore. You know, 527 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm a Star Wars guy. I'll give you some Star 528 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: Wars examples. You've heard Luke, I am your father, right. 529 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: It turns out that was never in the movie. He says, no, 530 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: I am your father. You know in Star Wars C three, 531 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: Po has always had one silver leg, the right leg 532 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: from the knee down. Is that surprising to you? How 533 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: do you think Looney Tunes is spelled? You might think 534 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: it's spelled called tunes to n Ees, but no, it's 535 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: t u n ees. How about the Monopoly Man, you know, 536 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: the guy with the top hat. Do you think he 537 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: has a monocle? Most people do. He has never had 538 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: a monocle. If I say to you, hello, Cree, that 539 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: probably conjures up silence of the lambs. Right, well, guess what, Hello, 540 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: Clarice was never said in Silence of the Lambs. In 541 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: the movie Casablanca, they never said play it again, Sam, 542 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: That was never said. Carl Sagan never said billions and billions. 543 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: That memory became so prominent that years later Sagan even 544 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: named a book Billions and Billions as sort of an acknowledgment. 545 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: You ever heard of Jiffy peanut butter That never existed? 546 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: Now only jiff Curious George never had a tail Forrest Gump, 547 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: they say now never said life is like a box 548 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: of chocolates. He said life was like a box of chocolates. 549 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: In the movie Snow White, the Queen never said mirror, 550 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: mirror on the wall. She said magic mirror on the wall. 551 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: This is a good one. I bet you've heard of 552 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: Smoky the Bear, right, well, guess what. It's never been 553 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: Smoky the Bear. They say, now it's Smoky Bear. You 554 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: know when the Space Shuttle Challenger exploded, a lot of 555 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: people say they remember that happening in nineteen eighty four, 556 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: but it took place in nineteen eighty six. Do you 557 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: remember the movie Risky Business when Tom Cruise was dancing 558 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: in his underwear and address shirt wearing ray bands. Well, 559 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: guess what he wasn't wearing ray bands in that scene 560 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: when the timelines ripple. It's a similar feeling to deja vus, 561 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: which in French means already seen. It's like a glitch 562 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: in the matrix. Right. There is even a business executive 563 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: you can look him up online named Christopher Anatra. He's 564 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: the president and founder of NYCS Incorporated. That's a computer 565 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: software and tech company. And he keeps track of all 566 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: kinds of skews, as they call him, different variables for 567 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: products and stores. And he has gone public and said, listen, 568 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: the Mandela effect is real, and it's actually affecting our inventory. 569 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: Names and numbers are constantly changing, and it's we can 570 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: prove it's not our staff that this is an example 571 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: of something changing in the environment in reality itself, you know. 572 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: The Dalai Lama is often referred to as kun done 573 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: kun dun. Martin Scorsese made a movie called Kun doune. 574 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: Do you know what that means? Kan doune means presence 575 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: And what does presence mean? That's the state or fact 576 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: of existing, of occurring, of being present in a place 577 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: or thing. If the Dali Lama is present and distinguished 578 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: by that fact. Well, then what are the rest of us? 579 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: Are we sort of pawns that are mixed up by 580 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: these rippling timelines and some people are able to stay 581 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: firmly locked into the present. That's the Mandela effect. What 582 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: do you think when we come back, I have a weird, 583 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: amazing story for you. You're gonna like this. I'm Joshua P. Warren. 584 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 585 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be 586 00:39:27,520 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back to the final segment of this 587 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: edition of Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 588 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren. 589 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: And the term Mandela effect was coined in twenty ten 590 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: by a paranormalist named Fiona Broom. She said that she 591 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: had a memory of Nelson Mandela dying in prison in 592 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, but he actually died in twenty thirteen 593 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: after having served as President of South Africa. And she 594 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: said that that memory, what some call a false memory, 595 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: was shared by thousands of other people. And that's where 596 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: this that's what got people thinking about this bizarre phenomenon 597 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: that's been around for a long time. And ultimately the 598 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: idea is that there is some kind of design in 599 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: the universe and that if you pay attention, you know 600 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: there is a design. And so when something changes, well 601 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: you noticed that too. And when it comes to thinking 602 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: about the design of the universe and reality and what 603 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: gives your life meaning. I was reminded of this interesting 604 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: story by my friend Tad mcdivott, who was also the 605 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: chief occult researcher and tour guide at Haunted Asheville. He 606 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: wrote this account. He said, during the summer of two 607 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, I had a friend staying with me 608 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 1: who was a high school senior named Nathan. One day, 609 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: we decided to take a hike in North Carolina's Smoky 610 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: Mountains at a place called Graveyard Fields. And then he 611 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: goes on to say, Nathan and I walked along the 612 00:41:54,080 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: path that runs parallel to a stream. Nathan recalled memories 613 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: of his grandfather as we walked. It was as if 614 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: to be the It was as it was as if 615 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: I was to be the lone audience of his heartfelt eulogy. 616 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: Nathan mentioned that he had come to the area many times, 617 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: as his grandfather was an avid camper. He continued to 618 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: explain that his grandfather was actually a boy Scout troop 619 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: master and had taken numerous trips out to graveyard fields 620 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: in his many years of youth mentoring. It was during 621 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: one of these descriptions of Nathan's grandfather's camping techniques that 622 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: I saw a glint in the water. The sensation I 623 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: experienced when I quote fuel the mojo is difficult to describe. 624 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: It's as if time slows down and I have extra 625 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: time to process information. I often instinctively cocked my head 626 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: to the side when I experienced this sensation, He says, 627 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: there is something that prods me to pay attention. This 628 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: very sensation came over me as my mind became curious 629 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: about the source of the glistening reflection in the bed 630 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: of the stream before me, he said. I waded into 631 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: the water and fished out the source of the reflection. 632 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: It was a Swiss army knife. I called to Nathan, Hey, 633 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,720 Speaker 1: look what I found. As I waded to the shore. 634 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: By the time I had reached the bank of the stream, 635 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: about fifteen feet across and about two feet deep. At 636 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: that point, Nathan had walked up, curious to see what 637 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: I had found. I handed him the knife and he 638 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: said to me, oh, wow, my grandfather lost one of 639 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: these out here when I was a little kid. And 640 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: as he unfolded the blade of the knife, there was 641 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: engraved on the blade his grandfather's full name. To many people, 642 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: this story is just a highly improbable coincidence, and they 643 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: are right. It's the kind of coincidence that makes me 644 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: feel that Pascal's bell curve of probability has just been 645 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: made the causality of his skeet choote. No glowing apparition appeared, 646 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: no balls of plasma manifested themselves, challenging the laws of physics. 647 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: Just one intense and incredibly emotionally significant coincidence. This is 648 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: the kind of experience that I believe Carl Jung was 649 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: talking about when he contrived the principle of synchronicity. I 650 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: like to keep this memory close to remind myself that 651 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 1: the the paranormal isn't just about the documentation of the 652 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: unexplainable quote special effects. It also reminds me that sometimes 653 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: such an experience seems to be intended for the select 654 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: few that will see personal significance within the events. You've 655 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: heard me talk a lot about coincidences on this show, 656 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: and again that's by Tad McDivitt. Thank you for that account, Tad. 657 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that is kind of mind boggling. Don't 658 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: you think I could sit here, you know, for hours 659 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: and read to you stories of quote unquote coincidences. But 660 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: it's so interesting, it's so significant because, as I was 661 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: telling you, if you acknowledge that there is some kind 662 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: of a design, and I'm not saying that I have 663 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: the wisdom to explain to you what that means. I'm 664 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: not saying that there is a big guy with a 665 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: long beard and a staff and this guy named God 666 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: who's made everything. I mean, I think it's far more 667 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: complex than we can imagine, to be honest with you, 668 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: but there is some design here there. And acknowledging that 669 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: there is that kind of clockwork that goes on that 670 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: type of organization in the universe, it makes it even 671 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: more prevalent, even more emphasized when something happens that is 672 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: out of whack with that, these things that we sometimes 673 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: call the Mandela effect, you know, I before that that 674 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: term was coined, I called it the dead celebrities phenomenon, 675 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: because you know, obviously the Mandela story is one of 676 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: those examples. But you've heard me say before that. I mean, 677 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 1: I have memories of just seeing a celebrity like Jack 678 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: Palance was one, or Herve Villich's was one, the guy 679 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: who played Tattoo on Fantasy Island, where I saw news 680 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: reports of them being dead, and then a week later 681 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: it's like, well, they're not dead, They're alive. What was 682 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: that all about? And it may just be that these 683 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: types of things, these distortions, they happen all the time. 684 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: They happen all the time all throughout the population, but 685 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,720 Speaker 1: you only notice it when it happens to somebody who's 686 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: famous because they're recognizable. They are famous, right, So that 687 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to notice it because you're seeing 688 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: a famous person as one of thousands of people that 689 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: this may be happening to, and sometimes you get to 690 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: be one of those people. It's all about frequency and vibration, 691 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, That's what Tesla said. If you want to 692 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: know the key to everything, consider frequency and vibration. That 693 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: also being said, I think it's time for me to 694 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: play for you, at least for now, your weekly dose 695 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: of the Good Fortune Tone. It's twenty seconds long. I 696 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: want you to listen to this and just have no 697 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: exact thoughts, you know, clear your mind. It's sympathetic resonance. 698 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: If you can close your eyes as you hear this 699 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: tone that I extracted using parasigmatics two point zero and 700 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: some other techniques from the Golden Ratio Perfect Balance sound. 701 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: And we're going to exercise your brain and your spirit 702 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: from time to time by way of this sound. Before 703 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,280 Speaker 1: I play this for you, let me remind you. Also, 704 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: you know you can listen to all the shows on 705 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: the Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network for free, 706 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: including Sandra Champlain's Shades of the Afterlife if you just 707 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 1: go to iHeart dot com and search for Coast to 708 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: Coast a M and you should be able to find 709 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: them all in one place. Okay, here we go. Here 710 00:49:32,840 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: is the good Fortune tone. All right. I hope that 711 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: you enjoyed that. And do you notice how it goes? 712 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,360 Speaker 1: It starts out high and it's like and then it 713 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: gets low and then it gets highgen be goes. If 714 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: you know what the perfect Golden Ratio symbol looks like, 715 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: the golden mean it starts on the outside where it's wide, 716 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: and he goes down to the middle where it's small, 717 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: and then back out again, and it's like a big 718 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,759 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. It's actually like a breath, to 719 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: be honest with you, It's like you in hell and 720 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,879 Speaker 1: then you exhale. And I'm just speculating, maybe that's what's 721 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: happening to your spirit, so to speak, when you hear 722 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: that tone that it's almost like, yes, your body takes 723 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: a breath from time to time, you need your spirit 724 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 1: to take a breath. And so perhaps that's what the 725 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,399 Speaker 1: Good Fortune Tone does. At some point, I'll just sit 726 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: down on the show and I'll read you all the 727 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: stories I'm getting from people who are having magnificent experiences 728 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: from being exposed to the Good Fortune Tone. And you know, 729 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: it's the sort of thing that you certainly can take 730 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 1: and record and make a longer version for yourself. At 731 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: some point I'll do that for you. But you know, 732 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: right now, there aren't enough hours in the day. But 733 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,439 Speaker 1: listen to it as often as possible, replay that thing, 734 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: and let's just see what kind of reports start coming in, 735 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: shall we. That's the fun thing about having a podcast 736 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: and that's it for this edition of the show. Follow 737 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Joshua P. 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