1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Berts has got it, wants to throw Burts setting up 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: the screen. It is complete and blown off. Miles Sanders 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: caught it Mountain. Rodriguez was there way forth. That's a 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: big play by Rodrigo. And welcome to the Twentyman in 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: the Huddle Podcast presented by Microsoft, and we are here 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: in Allen Park. After a rather somber ride back. We 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: made it back. We made it back after a rather 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: somber playing ride back. Yeah, quiet is a good word 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: to put it. From Minnesota where obviously Lions double digit 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: leads twice in that game, one in the fourth quarter, 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: and just weren't able to make the plays down the stretch. 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: And that really, to me feels like a game they 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: just really let slip through their through their fingers. What 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: about you. I think that's the first time where you know, 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: and we heard it a want last year, growing pains, 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: learning how to win. I think that's a game you 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: have to learn how to win. To win, Yeah, to 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: win that one, right, that's that's gonna be a tough 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: one to swallow in. And look, you know, everybody's going 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: to talk about um Dan Campbell's decision to kick the 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: fifty four yard field goal at the end. But when 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I evaluate this game, to me, I mean, there's so 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: much that happened before that that that it never gets 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: to that point. It didn't want to play. It didn't 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: have to UM. You know, you you you talk about 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: the third down earlier in the fourth quarter of the 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: third and one, where you're driving, you've got a ten 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: point lead and you're looking to kind of wear that 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: clock down. You throw a go route along the right 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: sideline that's incomplete and you miss an opportunity there. The 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: possession before that, UM, the fourth and one at the 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Minnesota thirty yard line, you don't get that. UM. You 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: know there's some bad punts in there. Obviously, the missfield goals, 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: I think it was just to me, it was really 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: all three phases. And then you talk about the defense 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: still has a chance to to get off the field 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: and win the game at the end, and you know 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: all that miscommunication they were talking about leading in that 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: was a point of emphasis for defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn. 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: That comes up to bite yet at the end, and 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: that's the thing. You talk about it all week, and 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: you know it's going to come up at some point. 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: You just hope it doesn't come up beat. Yeah, and 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure Tracy Walker being out had a 45 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: little bit of something to you that, you know, it 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: looked like some miscommunication there, and you know, we'll have 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: to watch the film and asked Dan Campbell about it tomorrow, 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: probably between Juju Hughes and Mike Hughes. And obviously Juju's 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: not used to being in there in that situation, so 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: you know that probably plays something to it. But like, 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: no excuses, right, I mean, you still have to be 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: able to communicate and make that play and not have 53 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: a blown coverage there at the end. So there's a 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: lot to discuss. But you know, Dan, really after the 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: game seemed kind of, you know, beaten up a little bit. 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: And here's what Dan Campbell had to say about that 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: decision at the end of the game. As far as 58 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: for me, I freaking regret my decision there at the end. 59 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: I should have gone for it fourth down and they're 60 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: total team now. I should have gone for it, So 61 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, and obviously Dan, you know, take some of 62 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: the blame. I don't put it all on Dan, I 63 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: guess for me, I can see it both ways, right, 64 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: I Mean, you can see you've got a three point lead, 65 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: there's a minute to go in the game, Minnesota's out 66 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: of timeouts. Like Austin Siebert's on the roster for a reason, Right, 67 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: he's pretty reliable kick your left and I know he 68 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: missed one earlier in the game. But look, conditions aren't 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: a factor, right, You've got to hope that he can 70 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: go in there and kick a fifty four yard field goal. 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Now you can kick off to them, kick it through 72 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: the end zone or pin them deep. They've got to 73 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: go the whole field, score a touchdown, gear and prevent defense. 74 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: They have no time out, so I can see it. 75 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: I understand the strategy. But boy, he's kind of made 76 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: his mark on being aggressive, right, on being kind of 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: that gambler, that that guy who wants to you know, 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: to do it all day That's the point point. They 79 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: were four for six on fourth down. Head done it 80 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: all day long, and we're pretty successful. Where was right 81 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: every time they decided to go for it? And to me, 82 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm a head coach and I'm saying, okay, hey, 83 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: I need one play to win the game. Like, to me, 84 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: what do I want? Do I want my special teams? 85 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: My kicker who you know, he's been pretty good. He 86 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: was good last year, but you know, I wouldn't say 87 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: he's one of the best kickers in the league. It's 88 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: also not even a guarantee that you win the game. 89 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: You're only up six, right, Or do I want my offense, 90 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: which has been impressive, yeah, the first two weeks of 91 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: the season, one of the better scoring offenses. The strength 92 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: of this football team. In my opinion, we all thought 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: it going in. Do I want to give Jared Goffin 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: that offense the opportunity to win the game at the end? 95 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: To me, I just go with my strength and if 96 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: I lose, then I can tip my cap and say, okay, 97 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: well I put it in the hands of my quarterback, 98 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: who played well all game long defensive line, zero sacks. 99 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Jared was hit twice fourth and four. You know, I know, 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm on Brown's I'm on Ross Saint. Brown's hurting a 101 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: little bit, um, you know, and that's obviously one of 102 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: the huge weapons there. Deandrew Swift was hurting a little bit. 103 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: But but to me, I just put the game in 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: my quarterback's hands. What about you? I think that. I mean, 105 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: that's what the math says that on all the the 106 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: win probability numbers. That's that's what came up. And even 107 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, the most the most mathematically correct thing to 108 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: do was punt, which I would not have done. I 109 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: would have if the offense out there. Punting felt a 110 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: little risky for me at that point, but I just 111 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, a'm and Ron's a little hurt, right. But 112 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: then you got TJ who kind of came alive in 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: this game. You got DJ Chart, Josh Reynolds who made 114 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of big catches today. You have other options 115 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: that you can You can go get five yards if 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: you really needed it. Yeah, and it was disappointing. And 117 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: then obviously you you know, you missed the field goal, 118 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: and the defense just chunk plays, chunk play, chunk play. 119 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Minnesota went ranked down and miss communication and then boomula 120 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: was a game. And look now Lions did at one 121 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: and two. I think Chicago, obviously, Minnesota and Green Bay 122 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: all one today, so you know, they all moved to 123 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: two and one, and now all of a sudden, after 124 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: feeling so great after week two, um, you know, now 125 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: you're you're at the bottom. I'm looking looking up and 126 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: you come back home, which is probably the good thing 127 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: against the Seattle Um football team that's without Russell Wilson, 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: so they're not what they used to be. But why 129 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: now now Week four all of a sudden becomes I 130 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: don't want to say must win because it's week four, peach, 131 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: but it becomes pretty darmant darn important. With New England 132 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: ahead week five and then the bye, you're just like 133 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: you just got to get Yeah. It feels like last 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: week honestly against Washington, where it's like you come off 135 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: a winnable game against Philly and you're still at home 136 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: at that point and it's not necessarily a must win, 137 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: but you've really got to get this one. Yeah. I 138 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: think that's that's where it is again. Yeah, and it's 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: it's obviously tough, you know. I guess what's one of 140 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: the big takeaways from this game for you, outside of 141 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: obviously the fourth downs and how it ended. I think 142 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: the fact that the offense was still able to you know, 143 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: third down was a great and I think that's really 144 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: the problem. And Jared made a good point after the 145 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: game that a lot of the third down non conversions 146 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: because they already knew they were going forward on fourth down. 147 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: So if you have third and seven you get five, 148 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: you have a two yard play after that, you already 149 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: know in your head, like we have two downs to 150 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: get this. So that's a good point. But I feel 151 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: like the third down offense has to get at least 152 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: a little better. You know, fourth down is great, and 153 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: going four for six great, like take that every time. 154 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to go for it six times on 155 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: fourth down three of sixteen eighteen point eight percent. That's 156 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: just not good enough, not for an offense as good 157 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: as Detroit's, and not when you you were It's not 158 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: like you were put behind the eight ball. A ton 159 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: sacks with penalties. No penalties were in a problem. That 160 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: wasn't a factor at all for this team. It was 161 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: just kind of self inflicted stuff in terms of just 162 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: missed opportunities. A miss throw here, you know, a drop 163 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: ball there. Just it never seemed like to be in 164 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: great rhythm outside of having first quarter and then having 165 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: to you know, make the fourth down plays to kind 166 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: of keep drives alive. It just wasn't It wasn't efficient offensively. 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: It was effective, but not efficient, I guess if that 168 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I think that's that's the big takeaway 169 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: for me. It's the third down, you got to convert 170 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: more than eighteen percent. What it's all said and done, ed, 171 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: But again, I think the fact that you were in 172 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: this game and nobody wants to be in the game. 173 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: You want to win the game. But the fact that 174 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: you were in this game with honestly the worst game 175 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: of the three in my opinion this year, and you 176 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: still should have won it. I mean, you gotta feel 177 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: decent about that. But it comes down to, you know, 178 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: if if some butts were candy nuts and every day 179 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: because exactly, I mean, nobody wants in the l and 180 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: talked about that too. He doesn't, you know, he kind 181 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: of feels like they're they're they're it's not, Ah, we 182 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: need to learn how to finish, and we're almost there. 183 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: He made the point after the game that he thinks 184 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: they are there. Just have to make a play, Yeah, 185 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: just have to make one play. And really that game 186 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: came down to one play in the final couple of 187 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: minutes and Minnesota made them all. Yeah, and again like 188 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: Minnesota made them all with kJ Osborne and a big 189 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: game from Adam Fieland and Alexander Madison coming in after 190 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. This was not like Cook got his and 191 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: then when it when it was crunch time, was not 192 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: in the game justin Jefferson got nothing. You got beat 193 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: by the second and third wide receivers and the second 194 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: string running back. Is that worrisome for this Lion's defense? 195 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: And that in that secondary now, I thought jeff A 196 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Couda played terrific, he played amazing. What happened, oh Amani 197 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: or youre not so much the case obviously, struggled with penalties, 198 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: struggled with with Adam thielan um a little bit worrisome 199 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: to me. And then obviously the huge injury news there 200 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: Tracy Walker. Non contact in the first didn't look good 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: when a time of player grabs at the back of 202 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: that leg. I mean we saw it last year with 203 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: Jeff Acuta and with um Romeo Akuara. That the fear 204 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: is and Dan said after where that you know, it's 205 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: that ankle area could be achilles. Anytime you hear achilles, 206 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: that's that's something you never want to hear. It's not 207 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: something that that just gets said. And then I feel like, 208 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: doesn't happen if you're saying you gotta kind of have 209 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: a good idea. Yeah, And you know, he struggled to 210 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: get back to the sideline, you know, the immediate cart, 211 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: the immediate cart. Yeah, that I don't like. They weren't like, 212 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: let's go to the tent and pulled the tent over there, 213 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: like we need a cart, let's go. We didn't see 214 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: him again. Yeah, And obviously you know this is the 215 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: guy that you know you signed him to to the 216 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: deal this offseason. He's a core member of your team. 217 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: Um led the team last year with one hundred and 218 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: three tackle was leading the team with eighteen tackles for 219 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: the first two weeks. And that's a huge secondary, enormous loss. 220 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean that that's your defensive captain, that's your leader, 221 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: that you're leading tackler, and you know it doesn't make 222 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: necessarily a ton of plays in the in the pass game, 223 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: which is what I feel like is the narrative on Tracy. Right, 224 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: he's not in the game, and you see what happens 225 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: with the juju hughes in that last play. It's like, 226 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, he might not be picking off every ball, 227 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: but he's in the right spot more often than that. Yeah. 228 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: So now a ton of pressure on Deshaun Elliott now 229 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: to step up and kind of beat that guy back 230 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: at that safety position. Juju uses, you know, played pretty well. 231 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: You know, we'll have to watch the film and kind 232 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: of see where the blame falls on that last um touchdown. 233 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: But look a fot too, melifonw Now if you've moved 234 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: that to the from corner to safety and you know, 235 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: now he's going to get an opportunity. You know, I 236 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: don't know if he was a healthy scratch. He was 237 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: a full participant in practice this week, but maybe they 238 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: were just kind of still trying to give him another 239 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: week ahead actis in a while. We'll see, But it 240 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: now becomes important that you know, third round pick last 241 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: year gets his opportunity to step up, even Kirby, third 242 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: round pick Joseph two have assets invested into that position 243 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: that now need to rise up a little at your time. Yeah, 244 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, I thought Jared Golf played a pretty good game. Um, 245 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, I thought he was solid. You know, he 246 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: finished twenty five or forty one, two hundred and seventy 247 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: seven yards one touchdown on the interception. Obviously at the 248 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: end I just wiped that away. You know, I thought 249 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: he was really good using his feet today page you know, 250 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: eluding spins. He had a couple of spin and eluding 251 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: the rush a little bit. I think he was the 252 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: big reason why there were no sacks. I don't think 253 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: it was just because he could sit back there in 254 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the offensive line did their job. I mean, that's a 255 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: pretty good rushing duo there. What did he on? Hundreds 256 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: and Darius Smith? And he was moving. We didn't see 257 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: any of that from him last year. The move the 258 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: movement up and back and around and able to throw 259 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: on the run and making the one he threw. I 260 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: think it was to Reynolds where he out and it's 261 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: throwing on the move. It's like that, Where was that 262 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: at any point last year? Because it's here now, it's 263 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: great today. It looked great today, and you know, I think, 264 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, you can obviously put this loss on a 265 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: lot of you know, different people, but Jared Golf, to me, 266 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: is not one of them. No, you know, I think, um, 267 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: I thought he played well enough for them to win 268 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: this game. I love the fact that Jamal Williams came 269 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams came in. Yeah, twenty carries, eighty seven yards average, 270 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: four point four yards percarry, had the two touchdowns, and 271 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 1: now he obviously doesn't give you what Swift does in 272 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: the passing game yea. Um, but you look this as 273 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: a team with DeAndre Stiffer without they want to run 274 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: the football. That's the staple of this offense. And so 275 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: I thought it was really encouraging that a guy like 276 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams can come in and get eighty seven yards 277 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: average that Procarrie rush for a couple of touchdowns and 278 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: your run game, um, you know, stays on track one 279 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine yards average four point Oh, that's 280 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: what you want. A couple of touchdowns. I think Dan 281 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: Campbell will take that every day. Yeah. The way that 282 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: he just came in and he had a couple where 283 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: he bounced outside the one where he stayed in bounds 284 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: on the fourth quarter, he could have had, you know, 285 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: five six more yards, but made the conscious decision to 286 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: milk the clock a little bit, which you know ended 287 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: up not mattering, but it was a good thought in 288 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: the process. But the second touchdown was he bounced and 289 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: what was that twelve yards? That was a little bit 290 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: of a chunk play, Like he looked really good, and 291 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: that's a guy a luxury to have a one B 292 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: to the swift one A that you know, if he's 293 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: down you can still throw him out there for ten 294 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: and fifteen carries and he'll be able to get you 295 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: chunk plays like that one percent, you know, So for 296 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: to me, yeah, you know, really the key plays. To 297 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: me offensively, I thought you had a chance to win 298 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: this game on offense if you make some plays early. 299 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: The third and one that I talked about before, I 300 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: think it was ten fifty three left on the clock. 301 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: You're up by ten, you're at your own twenty seven 302 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: yard nine, third and inches. I don't even think it 303 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: was third and one. Yeah, and then you throw it, 304 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, down on the right side. No, I get it. 305 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: There was a one on one matchup there. The obviously 306 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: like that matchup and you you know, I think you know, 307 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: more often than not you trust us there, Josh, and 308 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: and go and go get it. But look, you know, 309 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: credit Minnesota Vikings at corner. I don't know who it was, 310 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: but made a good play out there, was right on it. 311 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: But to me, again we just mentioned number. I think 312 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: Jared can just you know, fall forward and get that. 313 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: Now you're up ten, you're at the twenty eight whenever 314 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: thirty yard line. Now you're running at least another two 315 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: and a half three minutes off the clock, You're putting 316 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: um uh, Jack Fox in a better position to punt 317 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: the football. And I was a little surprised by Jack 318 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: today too. I didn't think he had his greatest game. 319 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: A couple like he got thrown off by the quick 320 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: punt and then ended up taking the delay of game 321 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: and he got hit and then the ensuing punt was 322 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: not very good. I felt like the whole timing of that, 323 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: what was that, by the way, that chaos because if 324 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: you sub offensively, the if it's going to stand there 325 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: and let the defense up, so you're not gaining anything 326 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: by I mean, I can you would try to. Maybe 327 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: that was coming out of the quarter break too. Wasn't 328 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: that the first play of the second quarter? I believe so? 329 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: And that was just like, yeah, you had time to 330 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: think about that, and that's what happened. Well, and the 331 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: other one too. You know you called the rate before 332 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: the last touchdown, the Detroit calls the time out. Yeah, 333 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: that was weird. Defensively, that was weird. And you know, 334 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell said afterward that he wanted to give his 335 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: pass rush a little bit of a rush. He was 336 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: really trying to come after him, and you know, he 337 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: sense that those guys were gassed a little bit, and 338 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, wanted to give them a little break. But 339 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: I think in that situation, Minnesota's running it up. Just 340 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: bike it. So now you have the clocks going to 341 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: stop right, clock stopping either way, and I think you 342 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: just give them a chance to be like, Okay, hey, 343 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: what play do we really like here? Like this is 344 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: an important situation, and then defensively you have an opportunity 345 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: to like, Okay, what play do we like here? Let's 346 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: set ourselves. You're coming out of time out, you have 347 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: to be good to go. Everybody to have a miscommunication 348 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: out of the time out, I thought, just boy, it's 349 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: just some of those things that we talk about where 350 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: you kind of just shoot yourself in the foot. The 351 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: third and one you don't get, the fourth and one 352 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: that you don't get at the at the you know, 353 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: Minnesota thirty, the missed field goal, you've got to trust 354 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: it your guy can come in and kick a fifty 355 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: four yard or if the coach wants to do that. 356 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: The miss communication and the and the busted coverage late 357 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: it just it was all just a collection of things 358 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: that just didn't go the line's way. Yeah, and especially 359 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: after starting so fast and getting out to fourteen nothing 360 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: and you're feeling you're feeling great, and you knew again 361 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: much like Washington they had they have too many offensive 362 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: players right to just light out. You do that game, 363 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: and they came back at the fourteen fourteen I said, Okay, 364 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: now we've got a game. And then to come out 365 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: twenty four to fourteen, you do the exact same thing, 366 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: and you get that double digit lead again, and then 367 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: you just have the fourth quarter that you did with 368 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: with really all three phases lost it for him, you know. 369 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't blame the offense, you can't blame 370 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: the defense, you can't blame special teams. It was really 371 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: a collection of all three and I think that's probably 372 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: got to be really disappointing for Dan Campbell. Yeah. I 373 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: think this is just, you know, it's one of those 374 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: things like I can't even describe, like it just happened. 375 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: You can't even like really pinpoint who it's on or 376 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: where it really went wrong, because it shouldn't have gotten 377 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: to the final play and it shouldn't have gotten to 378 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: the point where you have to decide punt or go 379 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: or field goal or whatever. The decision ended up to 380 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: being right. It would just like it all just kind 381 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: of unfolded and rolled out there and it ended up 382 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: how it ended up. And that's what they got to 383 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: get past, right, I mean, that's they've got to get 384 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: past that. They've got to find a way to finish. 385 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to pull out some 386 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: of these games. And look, it's not easy to go 387 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: on the road and play in Minnesota. That would have 388 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: been a really good wind, that would have had a 389 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: great win. But I think it was there for the taking. 390 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: And if you're going to be a playoff team, if 391 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna be one of those teams where they're talking 392 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: about you're in the graphic in December, right, you're in 393 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: the playoff conversation in the hunt, these are kind of 394 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: the games that you're like, boy, that could really, you know, 395 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: put us over the edge, that could separate us from something, 396 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: you know. I also think it's the problem of not closing. 397 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: But I think again this proves that you can and 398 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: you have some you have some easy road games on 399 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: the schedule, Like you can go to New York twice 400 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: against two not so great teams. You can go to 401 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: Chicago against the not so great team. And if you 402 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: can go punch for punch for Minnesota for fifty nine 403 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: minutes and twenty two seconds, yeah, you can probably go 404 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: punch for punch with a lot of these lesser teams 405 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: on the road as well. But it is the NFL, 406 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: and you just never know. And it takes one injury, 407 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: it takes one whatever to to kind of change your circumstance. 408 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: But you'd like to take advantage of the ones that 409 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: you can when you when you can do them, and 410 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: not you're thinking ahead too well. I think we can 411 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: do this, not knowing what the future holds. But obviously 412 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: a tough loss for Detroit. They fall to one and 413 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: two on the season. They've got Seattle coming in. I 414 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: think it's probably good that they're back at home. Big 415 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: get right spot, Yeah, big get right spot. And so 416 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: I think if you can get to two and two 417 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: and in your head to New England, I think you're 418 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: still in a pretty good spot there. It's way early 419 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: in the season, um, but now it's important. Now you've 420 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: got to come back home and play as well as 421 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: you did versus Washington. Get to two and two and 422 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: then see what happens on the road. And then you 423 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: can take a bye week, which I think is going 424 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: to serve Detroit well being early with some of the injuries. 425 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: Brown dinged up up. Yeah, so I mean they got 426 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: some injuries, get through these two weeks, have a week 427 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: to rest um and what by the Seattle's and Seattle's 428 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: a big one this week, so it's a real it's 429 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: it's gonna be get right spot. I think this is 430 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: this is the game that again, like I said before, 431 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: like Washington, but now I think even coming off this 432 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: even more heartbreaking road division loss, this is where you're 433 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: going to see who this team is at this point. Well, 434 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: we'll see p J and I, who will be here 435 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: all week breaking down what happened from Minnesota. We'll move 436 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: on to Seattle midweek and end of the week obviously 437 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: the twenty in the Huddle podcast this week, I'll have, um, 438 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, a breakdown of Seattle. I've got a couple 439 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: of Joshes I think lined up for Josh and Josh 440 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: I got just a couple of Joshes lined up for 441 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: the podcast this week, so we'll look, we'll have it 442 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: all broken down here. Tough loss for Detroit, but they've 443 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: got to turn around and get right at Verse Seattle 444 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: next week, so we'll see if they can do it.