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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Laverne Cox Show, a production of shand

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Speaker 1: what we were. We were a vehicle to stop their progression.

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Speaker 1: We bore both physical energy and thestical energy, energetic imergy.

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Laverne Cox Show. I'm Laverne Cox.

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Speaker 1: On this podcast, I've invited you to go on a

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Speaker 1: journey with me towards healing from shame, trauma, attachment shoes,

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Speaker 1: adverse childhood experiences and more. But I believe there's another

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Speaker 1: essential element involved in healing that we may be briefly

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Speaker 1: touched on here that haven't really done a deep dive

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Speaker 1: I am not talking about religion. I am talking about

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Speaker 1: spirituality now. I love Renee Brown's definition of spirituality. You

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Speaker 1: know we love Renee Brown. Here. Renee Brown defined spirituality

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Speaker 1: as recognizing and celebrating that we are all inextricably connected

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Speaker 1: to each other by a power that is greater than

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Speaker 1: all of us, and that our connection to that power

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Speaker 1: and to one another is grounded in love and compassion.

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Speaker 1: Practicing spirituality brings a sense of perspective, meaning, and purpose

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Speaker 1: into our lives. I believe spirituality is a crucial part

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Speaker 1: of our healing, and I have the very most perfect

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Speaker 1: person with whom to have this conversation with you today.

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Speaker 1: I first met Valerie Spencer in two thousand twelve for

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Speaker 1: a panel I was moderating for the National Black Justice

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Speaker 1: Valerie Spencer owns every single room she walks into, and

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Speaker 1: she truly owned that panel. She has a present that

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Speaker 1: is undeniable, that is anointed, that is everything. She is

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Speaker 1: just that girl. I was familiar with Valerie Spencer because

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Speaker 1: I had seen this incredible documentary called Beautiful Daughters that

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Speaker 1: documents the very first all transgender production of Eve Insler's

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Speaker 1: the years we've become really good friends. Valerie is the

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Speaker 1: creator of the Holistic Empowerment Institute an organization which addresses

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Speaker 1: empowerment on a social, cultural, and holistic basis for lgbt

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Speaker 1: q I plus communities. For over two decades, Valerie Spencer

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Speaker 1: has worked in social services focusing on health disparities as

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Speaker 1: they relate to transgender people and others within lgbt q

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Speaker 1: political and social freedoms. She has worked with the federal government,

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Speaker 1: health departments, universities, conferences, and community based organizations all over

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Speaker 1: the country. Please enjoy my conversation with Valerie Spencer. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Hello Lari Spencer. Welcome to the podcast. How are you

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Speaker 1: failing today, my sister, I'm alive, I'm illuminated. I'm prepared

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Speaker 1: to serve, alive, illuminated and prepared to serve. Amen. Hallelujah.

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Speaker 1: I miss you. I haven't seen you in so long.

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Speaker 1: We had a zoom or something, but it it's not

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Speaker 1: the same, so we need to hang out in real life.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about sisterhood and I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: what that has meant in my life and how I

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Speaker 1: certainly one of them. Where there's no there's never been

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Speaker 1: any competition. And when I think about competition, I think

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Speaker 1: about competition for jobs. Even in the not for profit

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Speaker 1: and whole. What comes up for you when I say

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Speaker 1: in our community, particularly around trans women sharing or competing

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Speaker 1: so you've got to rally a cage. You've got to

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Speaker 1: not just talking about Pride parade signs, and and I

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Speaker 1: of spawned this trans inclusion um the Gap has changed

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Speaker 1: that your sons won't me, Am, your father's won't me,

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Speaker 1: your uncle Teddy and them they want me? Now, do

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Speaker 1: they want me more than you? Well that's a conversation

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Speaker 1: I'm not privy to. However, they won't me, and they

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Speaker 1: also see my womanhood. Now, you may not see my womanhood,

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Speaker 1: and he may not get on this pulpit and talk

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Speaker 1: about my womanhood, and he may not get in the

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Speaker 1: my woman But up and here the sanctuary, he validates, celebrates,

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Speaker 1: and expresses fully his appreciation for this woman's body. Now,

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Speaker 1: when we're begin to move the culture to the place

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Speaker 1: person in her life. We do those things as women,

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Speaker 1: but it's transporting. Probably the reason why we do them

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Speaker 1: wonder if we enough of us as trans women haven't

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Speaker 1: fully divested of patriarchy. What I believe is that it

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Speaker 1: is the patriarchy and When I say patriarchy, I mean

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Speaker 1: institutional sexism, and we don't We don't need men for patriarchy.

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Speaker 1: Women engage in patriarchy as well, but patriarchy, that patriarchal

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Speaker 1: about systems and structures because it's really important. But in

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Speaker 1: what can I do in my life to change my circumstances?

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Speaker 1: Because they're both both and right. So what do you

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Speaker 1: Sometimes nothing conveys the truth like a little piece of profanity.

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Speaker 1: So here it comes. I think women have just got

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Speaker 1: to put some more respect on their pussy. Girl, you

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Speaker 1: have got to put some more respect on the instrument

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Speaker 1: that you possess. You're throwing your pussy out here to

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Speaker 1: cat it. And we vet these individuals based on the package,

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Speaker 1: based on the spit of game, the swag, the smell,

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Speaker 1: the attention. But girl, we got to have a little

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Speaker 1: bit more. See I'm over fifty. Perhaps that's it. I'm

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Speaker 1: almost there. Next year i'll be You're gonna love You're

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Speaker 1: You're gonna love your It's an explosion of goodness. Truss.

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Speaker 1: than everything else, you're gonna live you. And I just

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Speaker 1: think that for me, when I see trans women going

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Speaker 1: That's the beauty of thing in your fifties. You realize,

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Speaker 1: I know my thighs can't compete. Stop competing. Let's parent

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Speaker 1: through all this, it tells me that somebody, a mother

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Speaker 1: figure auntie, somebody has not told you the value of

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Speaker 1: your pussy. Footnote pussy is a colloquial term. Therefore, whatever

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Speaker 1: I say, it's pussy, it's pussy. Now. The man that

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Speaker 1: knows exactly what I'm And I don't have to do

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Speaker 1: a thesis on anatomy and trans psychology. If I say

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Speaker 1: straight to that elbow. He knows just what I'm talking well,

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Speaker 1: And so do you really know the value of your

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Speaker 1: trans sexuality. Have you been taught that you have your

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Speaker 1: and so you don't need to compeople with another woman's

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Speaker 1: energetic pool. You have your own and it works every time.

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Speaker 1: Now will he marry you? Perhaps not, But if you

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Speaker 1: audition a further, that may not be him. Amen. Amen.

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Speaker 1: What I love about what you're saying is you're you're preaching. Um,

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Speaker 1: very important one, because it's about our inherent, our inherent worth,

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Speaker 1: and affirmed by a strong man. Valerie, have you always

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Speaker 1: been there? I haven't. What was the ship? When with

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Speaker 1: that's what the girls need to hear. How to shift

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Speaker 1: one where we value what we have. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I know this, You're never gonna send enough pictures to

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Speaker 1: You'll be sending pictures forever. Eventually somebody will tell you

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Speaker 1: that they want you or they don't. Now that's one thing, yes.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of inconvenient instan well,

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Speaker 1: not a lot of inconveniences, but there are a couple

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Speaker 1: and this whole loving relationship piece is one of them,

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Speaker 1: I love finding the connections between the I think we

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Speaker 1: were Buddhism and a few other things in um the

426
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: Baptist Church, and then integrating that with like Trauma Resiliency ORG. Right,

427
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: that is the end, that is thematic that is connected

428
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Speaker 1: to the body. Welcome to holistic compartment institute. That yeah,

429
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: and for me that is really exciting. I have a

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Speaker 1: holistic doctor here in l a doctor Henry, and she

431
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Speaker 1: focuses on the physical part. In my therapist who's a

432
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Speaker 1: trauma resiliency therapist sent me to doctor Henry. And what

433
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: she illuminated to me I've been with her for um

434
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: four or five years now, is that regular Western medicine

435
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: basically like they can prescribe drugs or give you surgery.

436
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: There's nothing really preventative. And what they do and so

437
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: with Dr Henry, we talk about my gut help. We

438
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: do acupuncture, we do microcurrent, we do heart rate variability,

439
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: we do all these things that like, well, what's going on.

440
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: If this is happening, Let's look at your diet, let's

441
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: look at your sleep patterns, let's look at all these

442
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: things like sort of on a physical level. Now, see,

443
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: I want to take it further as the spiritually integrated therapists.

444
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: I need to know more. I need to know do

445
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: you know who your ancestors are? Who are the relationships

446
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: with it? We need to repair, right, We may need

447
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: you to do some ancestral repair work. And good god,

448
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: I found that to be so useful. Ancestral repair work.

449
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: That feat sounds like for people out there, what are

450
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: you talking about? That's a little esoteric ancestral repair work

451
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: or we're talking seances or so like, can you break

452
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Speaker 1: that down for us? Because I find that really fascinating.

453
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: So energy does not end, well, speak, he doesn't dissiplate. Yeah,

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00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: it always continues. It's not. It is only transformed continuous

455
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: that always it transmutes the changes form. So Grandmama may

456
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: not be Grandma, but that energy is still pleasant with us. Right,

457
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: and we know that the divine doesn't really operate in here.

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00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: There's then mouths, a penny, a million. The spirit of

459
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: life doesn't really operate in those sort of limitations. So

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00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: if you're having a relationship with yourself based on somebody's

461
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: information that that was given to you about yourself, we

462
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: may need to go and clear some that up, and

463
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: we might need to I took one of my clients

464
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: to the beach and we had a great talk with grandmama.

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Speaker 1: I take a lot of my clients to water because

466
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I believe the water doesn't work. And she did. She

467
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: begin to right, you were wrong about me not going

468
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: to him. I'm gonna be okay. So now we can

469
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: begin to build a whole new relationship with that ancestor.

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Speaker 1: Because in the African tradition, we use our and in

471
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Speaker 1: the Latin many traditions Ethano traditions, we use our ancestors

472
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: as resource. They are a part of our ammunition. So

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Speaker 1: when I do both therapy and spiritual council, I'm asking

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Speaker 1: people about your therapeutic tools, like are you doing your

475
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: affirmative work? Are you doing your writing? Are you doing journaling?

476
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Are you breathing? Doing mindful MI six? But I'm also

477
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Speaker 1: asking are you engage? Have you engaged your ancestor on this?

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Speaker 1: Have you spoke some a permitive I do teach a

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Speaker 1: permitive prayer. What is the affirmative prayer? What an affermitive

480
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Speaker 1: prayer is speaking from? So what you're friend talked about

481
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: earlier about sort of navigating yourself from a place that

482
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: it is already accomplished. That is really scriptural, really call

483
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: things that be not as it were. Permitive prayer speaks

484
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: from a place of knowing already one's oneness with the

485
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: spirit of life. Right, So we're not begging God to

486
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: do something. We're stepping into who we are as citizens

487
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: of the spirit and speaking our word expecting it to unfold,

488
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: because that is the promise and that is the law.

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Speaker 1: So we're very mindful of the prayer we put out.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, in my training, we had to as

491
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Speaker 1: a spiritual counsel, we had to write our prayers and

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00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: have them critiqued. Oh yes, maybe, and they were. Christina

493
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Applegate sat next to me. We were like, dang, I

494
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: got beat up critiquing a prayer Jesus Christ and grading

495
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: a prayer and grading your science. Mind was no criteria

496
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: for um for grading a prayer. So and reading our

497
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: prayers your your comfortence this this this line here that

498
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: speaks of separation. That is not unifying, That is not you,

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00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: That is not affirmative. Okay, well this time this is denials.

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00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: We don't use denials. We don't say things like God

501
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't want um, so we don't speak, and God,

502
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: please don't let them be in a council. Wait wait, wait, wait,

503
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: we're not doing denials. We're speaking in front of my

504
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: body operates and complete vitality and overwhelming health. That is

505
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: my DNA and my birth flight is the law of

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00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the spirit that I'm speaking. We speak that you don't

507
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: speak no thing. I'm hot and behind a bush. Don't

508
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: let him give me no. No, that's a power less prayer.

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00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: Oh so much comes up for me. I think about

510
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: negative self talk, which came up for me really strong

511
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, And it's just an old habit and

512
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: that what we say can ship a thought, can shift

513
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: us into trauma, can after our bodies into shame just

514
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: a negative thought or negative self talk. So what is

515
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: so beautiful about what you're saying now on a spiritual

516
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: level is that um neurobiologically, it also begins to set

517
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: up their nervous system for resilience. It's just a the

518
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: nervous system for trauma resilience, for shame resilience. Can I

519
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: say that another way? Absolutely, you begin to set up

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00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: a whole another pattern of habituation in terms of how

521
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: to process trauma, how to encode trauma, how to resist trauma?

522
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: Asked trauma? Right, when you live your life from a

523
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: place of knowing fully who you are, some things just

524
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: don't affect you like they affect other people, or how

525
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: they used to affect you. Why because you don't see

526
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: yourself as this weak, needy, vulnerable, wanting to be loved transperson.

527
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: I really think that language for us has become toxic. Right,

528
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: This whole wanting to be trans is trying to be trans.

529
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: Quit trans will be you. The definition will catch up

530
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: to you and wrap itself around you. You don't need

531
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: to wrap yourself around the definition of trans. It's gonna

532
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: change in ten years anyway. I want to fortify you

533
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: so that you see yourself as powerful, as beautiful. That

534
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: you know what your skill sets are, that you know

535
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: what your talents are, that you know what your triggers are,

536
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: but also you know your weapons are not to fire

537
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: back at the attack, but to form a worthy shield.

538
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: You can't call me a man in a dress, and

539
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: that shodow my existence today. I mean, well, first of all,

540
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: I have proof that it's not true. I do have

541
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: a stunning mirror. However, however, I've been through too much.

542
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: I know myself too much. I know the source of

543
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: the attack. That's the other piece we don't teach our well,

544
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: the source of the attack. Hey, look y'all, that's the

545
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: man that was never about you. That was a protective

546
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: factor that people do for themselves. That was a trigger

547
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: response because many Cistean women, when trans women walk into

548
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: a room, we become very self and dieting for sisteent women, right,

549
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: for some thank you for that. I don't want to generalize.

550
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: You know, she's like that. Why am I like this?

551
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: And many people process it through attack instead of just saying, wow,

552
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: what a beautiful another form of woman as I am

553
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: as well. Right, But when you begin to fortify yourself,

554
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: you have a different relationship to abuse and that psycho

555
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: spiritual shift, it really does happen, and it changes, It

556
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: just changes everything. I always think about what gets in

557
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: the way for some of the some of the girls,

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00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of our young trans sisters may

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00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: be dealing with like survival, sex, work and just in environment.

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00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: Environment is so key. My my boyfriend always says, we're

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00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: part of of our environment, and so it's that who

562
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: do we surround ourselves? With and we're talking about spiritual fortification.

563
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: We have to be surrounded by people and energy. We

564
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: that that that is going to reinforce that that force

565
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: spiritual fortification. So we may need to let some people go.

566
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: We may need to like move out of this home

567
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: that is not you know, that's toxic if we can, right,

568
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: We may need to get out of this relationship or

569
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: let this girlfriend go who doesn't see really see it

570
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: for us to find that spiritual fortification and to step

571
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: into what we're meant to be. And you know, I

572
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: always think about when you talk like that, I think

573
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: about my angelus poem for our grandmother said for often

574
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: quotes she says that I come as one, but I

575
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: stand as ten thousand and you just pulled up my girl.

576
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: Now waitman, you talk about my mama. Now hold up.

577
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: But that statement that maya made. When I read that,

578
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: that came why I love being a transformer, because I

579
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: am not just this diagnostic physicality that you see. M hm.

580
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I am so lady Java that beguiled your granddaddy. I

581
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: am Christine Jurgensen. That said a whole new conversation about

582
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: body physicality. Right, My value goes beyond Valerie Senser. My

583
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: value goes beyond this thing called trans. I have been

584
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: so useful and fought after throughout cultures. So I'm not

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: just this queen who was teased and ostracized in south

586
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: central Los Angeles. That's the factual merit. The truth of

587
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: it is, Oh, honey, I am the Faa. I am

588
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: the Burbadash. I am the Hezra, I am the truth spirit.

589
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: I am the Shaman. I am the who do priestess.

590
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: I am the priestess. I have been on than Santaria

591
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: and Budom Catholicism, So we know ourselves differently. We have

592
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: been given it's very narrow margin of understanding about ourselves

593
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: and the link between that and colonialism. It's so important

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00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: to always emphasize and to always talk about that, that

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00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: that the way European colonialism colonized so much of the world,

596
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: where we were viewed as sacred beings right and indigenous

597
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: cultures all over the world, and and and European colonialism

598
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: came in and said, what is this, This is not

599
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ and marginalized us. And I always invite

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00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: young trans people to connect with that history and realize

601
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: that they are anointed and I feel like that's what

602
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about now. When when I had a look

603
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: on this on this podcast, the local was saying to

604
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: trans people always been spiritual leaders. That is what we

605
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: are here for. And and you know we can step

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00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: into that or not. They're the reason why they saw

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00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: us as even as and pagan. There's a reason why

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00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: they saw us as out. Of course, we presented certain

609
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: gender physicality that they did not understand. But the receipts

610
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: were the receipts. And here's what I mean by that.

611
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: The receipts were when the trans woman went over their

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00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: growth house, that baby don't have their code nor move.

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00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: The receipts were when the trans woman showed over at

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00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: that dry crop. It was a dry clop. Not six

615
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: weeks later they got all kind of corn over there.

616
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: The receipts were the receipts. We were the kaiser of

617
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: our people. We were the hm of the land. Those

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00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: colonial oppresses, yes, they saw us for what we were.

619
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: We were a vehicle to stop their progression. We bore

620
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: both physical energy, ancestral energy, energetic energy. We knew how

621
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: to manipulate the earth and the Let we ship. It's

622
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: time for a short break when we come back more

623
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Speaker 1: with our guest. Alrighty, then let's just dive right back in.

624
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Speaker 1: And when I think about the current sort of anti trans,

625
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: like vigorous anti trans push from conservatives, it's like, can

626
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Speaker 1: we just allow us to be great? Allow us to

627
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: step into the divineness that we are? And I think

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00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: we can give ourselves permission. One of the many things

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Speaker 1: I love about you is that you have not You've

630
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: not waiting for anybody to give you permission to like,

631
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: to to be great, to be well. I must consess.

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00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: I did. I did, now, let me tell you. In

633
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: my late thirties, I had a huge resentment because I

634
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: just thought, if I just stay bright and cunning and

635
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: smiling and nice and upbeat, that Oprah is gonna come

636
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Speaker 1: get me. I'm telling you ad At about thirty eight,

637
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: it occur to me that Oprah was not coming to

638
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: give me. That I was actually gonna have to produce this.

639
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: That's why I went back to school, because I thought, Okay,

640
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Speaker 1: well she came and got I come get me once

641
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: I really got and the other piece of earn. And

642
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I really want your listeners to connect with this, Assess

643
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Speaker 1: yourself and be honest, because sometimes the current lanes in,

644
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Speaker 1: as bright and shiny and seemingly successful producing as they

645
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: may be, they just don't fit for you. I was

646
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: somebody just trying to learn how to diagnose and and

647
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: Department of Mental Health and all those things that I

648
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: was not asking questions like like where are you feeling

649
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Speaker 1: this in your body? The somatic questions. Who came to

650
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Speaker 1: you last night and talk to you about this? You

651
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: know what ancestor have you been to me? And after

652
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: a while I had to give my my self permission

653
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: to let my freaking flag fly. I just have to

654
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: because it felt like work and I can't do work.

655
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I learned that years ago. I just I can't work.

656
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: And what I think you mean is that when you're

657
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Speaker 1: doing something that you love, when it is aligned with

658
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: a purpose that is bigger than you, it doesn't feel

659
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: like work. It feels effortless and fun and oh my god,

660
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: they sent me money, right, And you know, there are

661
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: sometimes in that you may clean a toilet, you may

662
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Speaker 1: have to pick up a chair and move it. You

663
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, the ease and difficulty of whatever task is.

664
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Speaker 1: That's not really irrelevant. The relevance is that I feel

665
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: so appreciated and valued. Here, I appreciate and value all

666
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Speaker 1: these people. I feel safe. It doesn't feel like work,

667
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: but I've had jobs that felt like and it feels

668
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: like work, and part of that toxic I want to

669
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: listen to such a self free baby, because part of

670
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Speaker 1: that toxic work is getting yourself together to get up

671
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: every day to go deal with that toxic work. You

672
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: need to do some work that's not work. Some of

673
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: us just can't do it. And I think I've been

674
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: thinking a lot about toxic stress in my life. And

675
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: I have lived a very stressful life over the past

676
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: few years, and there's a lot of pressure on me

677
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: and my job, and I'm just like, how do what

678
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Speaker 1: does it look like for me to let that go?

679
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: But the toxic stress actually proceeds me being famous Leaver

680
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Speaker 1: and Cox. It goes back to childhood stuff. It's historical,

681
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: so like trying to make decisions now for my healing,

682
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: for me to be more connected to the ancestors, connected

683
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: to to love, being in love now, it's really all

684
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: about love that when you really are in love or

685
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Speaker 1: feel love, it's not even just about romantic love, feeling

686
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: love for music, or feeling love for acting, or art

687
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: and being creative, that there's something that shifts in my

688
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: body that is just so connected. And when things go awride,

689
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: I get in my head I'm not I'm not feeling

690
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: allowing myself to feel the love in my body, and

691
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Speaker 1: I'm not allowing myself to be connected. It's maybe a

692
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Speaker 1: connection to my girlfriends, a connection to the love I

693
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Speaker 1: have preparing for this podcast. I have love. I have love.

694
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Speaker 1: Really doing the work for this podcast has been so

695
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: joyous for me, and I feel connected when I do

696
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: that connection to another human being, connected to a power,

697
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: the energy of the universe, that that is bigger than me,

698
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: connected to a purpose, that this same thing is not

699
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Speaker 1: just about me looking cute on Instagram it's a glare

700
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: or or low wive or whatever, that there is a

701
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: purpose attached to it. In connection, then that begins to

702
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: shift the energy in my body, that begins to like

703
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: to heal, It begins to heal, and that that that

704
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: that's the one there it is. Some of them will

705
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: dis over if we're honest that self awareness alone did

706
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: not quite do it. Academic cognitive critical understanding didn't do it.

707
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: We needed something that wasn't religious, and religion has been

708
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Speaker 1: really oppressive for our people, specifically LGBT, and actually for

709
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: everybody religion all overlooking what's going on global as we

710
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: have so hijacked God and may God out to be

711
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Speaker 1: this evil motherfucker that's like, you know, my daddy was

712
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Speaker 1: like this temp with to have on you. Don't do

713
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Speaker 1: it in my way. I'm gonna not to hell out

714
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: you where my money at? Is this the energy that

715
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: said let that be light? Or was it like it's

716
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: turned to goddamn lights on me and I'm programmed to

717
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: learn life's lessons by way of mistake and you're gonna

718
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Speaker 1: burn me forever for that. That's why God said to me,

719
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Speaker 1: take take me out, you know were I want to

720
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: offer a frame to what you were saying earlier. However,

721
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I think it also requires safety and honesty because if

722
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: I feel safe, if I feel safe, I'll allow myself

723
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Speaker 1: to connect with those things or to do those things.

724
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Speaker 1: And if I'm honest. Now, that one is a big, big, big, big, big,

725
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Speaker 1: big big, because we've got a lot invested in those

726
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: narratives and they are multi variant and dynamic, they are

727
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: organic and living, and I always like to ask my clients,

728
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: what's the truth. We need that. Okay, what's the truth?

729
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: We need that? Okay, what's the truth? Be needs that

730
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Speaker 1: until we hit a hard layer of I was trying

731
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: to buy love. And so if I feel safe, then

732
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: I will feel so safe that I'll be honest. And

733
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: when I'm honest, a whole bunch of magical things start happening.

734
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: First of all, when I'm honest, those ancestors present themselves

735
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Speaker 1: to you and say Hi, I'm here with your name

736
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: and Marcus bags. Are you ready? They become like spiritual concierge. Right,

737
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: the difficulty of life is taken out because we've got

738
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Speaker 1: other resources. Right. I don't have a personal assistant, I

739
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: do have prayer. So I'm trying to promote people feelings safe.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that you mentioned leads into this. Those

741
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: Instagram posting don't need a purpose what the heck for?

742
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: They're fun. They are they are, they are, they are

743
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Speaker 1: Laverne being. That's that, And so should anyone look at

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Speaker 1: that and say, well, what's the meaning behind that? Nothing

745
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: on Instagram getting my entire life because my body is fabulous.

746
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: I'm in a fabulous place, and I came to check

747
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: them up. I can't. I'm the instrument in illumination, get

748
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: into it. I am the instrument and illumination. I love

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00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: the you. We have to wrap up soon, but I

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00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: love that you talked about safety, because none of this

751
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: work is possible without safety. The point of trauma resilience

752
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: found work is to move out of the fight flight

753
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: or freeze. If our nervous systems are in the constant

754
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: fight flighter freeze, if we've experienced trauma discrimination. I believe

755
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: that our LGBTQ community, particularly transmarine of color, are constantly

756
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: in that survival fight flighter freeze where we never feel safe.

757
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: And so if we never feel safe, we can't do

758
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 1: any of this work. We can't do any work because

759
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: we're in the Olympic brain. We're not in our prefrontal cortex.

760
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: We're not in that resilient place. So we have to

761
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: get ourselves out of that heightened fight flight or freeze.

762
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm in danger that we've been talking about this on

763
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: the podcast since we started. It becomes a fog, that

764
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: fight flight response that you speak of. It becomes like

765
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: a permanent existence fall and so it sounds like illogical

766
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: decision make it sounds like a questionable impulse control. It's

767
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: just that fall of the trauma in survival, trauma, survival

768
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Speaker 1: and affirmation. Too much trauma, not enough survival, complete depletion

769
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: of affirmation. This culture does not affirm us unless we

770
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: are bionically beautiful. Everybody can look like y'all, and then

771
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: it's still contingent because we age because we want to

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Speaker 1: get fat. You're never gonna a patriarchy, You're never gonna age,

773
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: and you know you're never gonna get sat Please stop

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00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: anyway before I ask the last question that in the

775
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: podcast with I just want to um what I love,

776
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: always loved about you is that there is something deeply

777
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: connected to the earth, to spirituality, to something that is bigger,

778
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: that's just something that is divine, and that that is

779
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: deeply necessary for us going forward as trans people. There's

780
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: were so visible now in ways that we have never

781
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: can never really imagine. But we really desperately need this

782
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: spiritual component as we go forward. We really do. We

783
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: need deeper capacities to love people who are coming for us.

784
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: But we can't do that if we're not loving ourselves.

785
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Speaker 1: And what you have given us today is like a

786
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: deep understanding of like the ways in which we can

787
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: love ourselves that are deeply connected to our ancestors, to

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Speaker 1: the earth, to the God that that is within us.

789
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: And this is crucial right now as we face the

790
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: battles of just everyday life. And so this is out

791
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Speaker 1: there and it's available, and it's waiting. It's it's right here,

792
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: and it is who you are already. So the inheritance

793
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: sound is the trends soul. Let let me be clear

794
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: before let me get my commercials there. The truth sound

795
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Speaker 1: is the you. The inheritance sound is this thing called transgender.

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00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: We also, in our loving of ourselves, we have to

797
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Speaker 1: examine our relationship to this terminology. M I retired from

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Speaker 1: being trans. I stepped back in where it pays, you know,

799
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Speaker 1: because it's become lucrative in some spaces. But in my

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Speaker 1: life every day, oh my god, being transgendous too much

801
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: work on my word? Right, where's the appreciation? Where's the validation?

802
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: It has me living in social anxiety, thinking that people

803
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Speaker 1: want to attack me or harmy And that may be true,

804
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: but that keeps me from blocking that attack with my

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Speaker 1: sickening nous, right because I'm so busy focused on Am

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Speaker 1: I enough trans and invite people to yes, appreciate the

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00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: legacy the lineage of being trans. But who are you

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00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: A No, that's the harder question to answer. That's the

809
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: deeper point of inquiry. Who am I? I'm more than

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Speaker 1: that Now. I see myself as much more than trans. Therefore,

811
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Speaker 1: I see myself as having the availa ability to experience

812
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: something beyond the trauma that is trans. But bemind you,

813
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Speaker 1: I want to make it seem like I've gotten off

814
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Speaker 1: trans trauma free. In my life. The trauma was like

815
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: a miss. You didn't know why you didn't get the job,

816
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: but you didn't get the job. Right. You were interviewed

817
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Speaker 1: by a man. Oh my god, that man was handsome

818
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: and he said all the great things that you know

819
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: you were gonna get the job. You blamed yourself. You

820
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: didn't know it was about him. He liked queens. He's

821
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: always like queens. If he hired you, he was gonna

822
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: get clocked, so he couldn't have you here. You didn't

823
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: know that. There's that's a whole podcast. But that's the

824
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: beauty of being a thing. Oh, I know the team.

825
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Speaker 1: Some attacks don't attack you like they used to because

826
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Speaker 1: you know you know that the attacker. It's like I

827
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: know that if I let you into my house, I

828
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: know exactly what position you will be getting into within

829
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Speaker 1: sixteen men, I know exactly who you are. So I

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Speaker 1: know who you are, so it doesn't bother still, couldn't

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Speaker 1: I know what you want? The Reverend Reverend Reverend s Mencer, Girl,

832
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Speaker 1: we gotta end this podcast. I love you so much.

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Speaker 1: I love this spirituality. With the key key we end

834
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Speaker 1: the Laverne Cock Show with this question what else is true?

835
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: And it's taken from my somatic therapy through the community

836
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: resiliency model, and it's the idea of both. And if

837
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Speaker 1: there's something challenging in my life, something else is true.

838
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Speaker 1: If I'm feeling pain in one part of my body,

839
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Speaker 1: there may be a part of my body where it's

840
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: neutral and positive. So if I can focus on that

841
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: other thing that is true, I can lift the pain

842
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: anxiety of this thing that is weighing me down. Reverend

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00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: Valerie Spencer, for you today, on this day, what else

844
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: is true? For you? I am always supported. I may

845
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: can't see the support, I may can't even smell the

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00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: support or even have an internal navigation of where it is.

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Speaker 1: But if I can just get still for a nano

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Speaker 1: second and remind myself, heyy, you know that you're supported, Bryan.

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Speaker 1: We feel often alone, We feel that we have to

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Speaker 1: admit my unknowing, you know, people will see me as

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Speaker 1: a failure or not enough, and let them see that

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Speaker 1: I am always supporting. I'm always gonna be okay, even

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Speaker 1: if I'm penniless and broke, because I'm a queen. I

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Speaker 1: can make pennies and broke look like the mett gallant. Dear,

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Speaker 1: I'm a queen, So don't you know, please don't see

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Speaker 1: your transness as a deficit. That's your battery, that's your power,

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Speaker 1: that's your songs. Valerie Spencer, I love you so much

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Speaker 1: or ever you look good. Thank you. Okay, bye, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Y'all gonna make me ms Joey read in the CBC. Okay,

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Speaker 1: be well, Lebern call me here. I will call you

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Speaker 1: be well. Be well. M M. That was good, right.

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Speaker 1: I love me some. Valerie Spencer. She's a key, key,

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Speaker 1: but she's so spiritually grounded and she always has been.

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Speaker 1: And the phrase that just knocked me on my on

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Speaker 1: my booty, I go spiritual shift the way Valorie talked

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Speaker 1: about it reminds me of sort of getting the spirit,

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Speaker 1: you know, when the preachers preaching and some some truth

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Speaker 1: comes over you. If the spirit hits you, when you

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Speaker 1: get the Holy Ghost, that's what a psycho spiritual shifts

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Speaker 1: we all have a sacred core, that her work is

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Speaker 1: about inviting us to tap into our sacred core, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's inside of us, but it is also connected

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Speaker 1: I think it feels like she's talking about the quantum

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Speaker 1: Like you know, she's talking about the spirits and how

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Speaker 1: they can speak to us and live within us. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is like a quantum model that she's talking about,

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Speaker 1: but she's using spiritual language to talk about it. I love.

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Speaker 1: So it is all related that there's just different approaches

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Speaker 1: that we can take to get where we need to get.

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Speaker 1: But I think ultimately stepping into the divine within us

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Speaker 1: doing all the trauma work that we've been inviting through

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Speaker 1: the course of this podcast, so that we can feel safe,

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Speaker 1: so that we can be in our resilience zone, the

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Speaker 1: sacred core, and allow that to manifest itself through our

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Speaker 1: entire being. Is a beautiful, beautiful image, a beautiful, beautiful

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Speaker 1: invitation and gift that Valerie Spencer has given us today.

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