WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Steve Wiseman (06-03-20) 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.160 Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's hour two on 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.680 this Wednesday, Dan and the Danet's Dan Patrick Show. You 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:11.440 like get in touch, you can a variety of ways 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.000 Age seven seven three d P show email addrestpat dan 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.439 Patrick dot Com, Twitter handle a DP show. Say good 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.200 morning to our radio affiliates, and of course those watching 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.240 on YouTube dot com slash to the Dan Patrick Show. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.319 With everything going on, the Zion Williamson case may have 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.840 slipped your notice. The Pelican star is in the middle 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.960 of a litigation that dates back to his time at Duke. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.080 A marketing agency is suing him for breaching their agreement, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.480 and now you have a Florida judge ruling. Zion Williamson 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.040 will have to answer questions about his eligibility under oath, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.000 did he take improper benefits or did his family His 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.480 lawyers are expected expected to appeal the ruling, but the 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:59.600 marketing agency claims Williamson's parents received gifts from Nike, Adidas 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.120 and people associated with Duke. We've had versions of this 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.360 case many times before, but Zion's one of the biggest 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.240 college stars in a generation, and Duke is the premier 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.480 program in the sport. The rules are changing on amateurism, 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.280 so it could be one of college sports last big scandals, 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.800 or maybe the public doesn't care. Everyone seems to love Zion, 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:27.399 Although people don't universally love Duke, Zion's enjoy to watch 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:32.520 the attitudes have changed dramatically in players marketing themselves, profiting 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.919 from their own image, their likeness. Change has already arrived 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.440 in college sports, even if the official rules they're still 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.360 a little bit behind. But if he gets on the 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.440 stand and has to answer questions in a civil lawsuit, 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.800 what will he say? Will he plead the fifth? If 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.560 he does plead the fifth, how are we going to 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.520 react to this? What's the NCAA going to do? It 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.400 feels like Duke's that last team, that last school, where 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:08.960 anybody else caught up in any anything that's scandalous nefarious, 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.760 We're like, Okay, that's college athletics, that's college basketball. Duke's different. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:19.720 But if Duke is, you know, they're brought in under 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.280 this umbrella and all of a sudden, things would you 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.600 know are going to change dramatically? It feels like, but 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.560 if you're Zion, how long can you delay the testimony? Here, 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.120 maybe coach k if there is something here, didn't know 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.640 anything about it. It used to be where you could 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.640 get money from an assistant coach or booster. Usually the 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.679 head coach is insulated, and I don't know if there's 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.960 anything here. If you said to me, I'm more surprised 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:51.600 if Zion didn't get anything, because it's Zion Williamson, he 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.160 has to go to school for one year. If I'm 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.320 in Zion's position, I have to pass up millions because 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:05.040 I have to go one year to college basketball. You're 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.960 going to want something for your time, because it felt 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.840 like Duke and college Basketball needed Zion Williams and a 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.840 whole lot more than Zion needed them. But if you're 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.760 going to get something, what are you getting? Are you 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.760 getting something for your parents? Are you getting anything? Did 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:25.960 Zion get anything? Tangibly get anything? I don't know did 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:30.120 his parents get anything. There was the report, the story 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.239 out of Kansas where you had an assistant coach on 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:38.320 tape talking about Zion's parents what they wanted for him 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.720 to go to Kansas. Are we under the impression that 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.760 he wanted something from Kansas but didn't need anything from Duke? 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.160 And remember with Cam Newton, cam Newton. You know, there 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.640 was the story that he was at his dad was 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.400 asking for over one hundred thousand dollars to go to 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:02.480 Mississippi State and then he ends up at Auburn. Okay, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.320 if we apply logic to this, so I want money 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.240 from Mississippi State, but I don't need money from Auburn. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.040 It doesn't make sense if it is true that he 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.120 was at his dad was asking for money from Mississippi State. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.920 But this is about Duke more than it is Zion Williamson, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.200 because Zion is gone and he's going to have a 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:28.400 very lucrative career in the NBA. But Duke is an 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.520 island under themselves. So if this would come out that 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.760 Duke was somehow involved in this, and the shoe companies 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.720 are still so powerful, they're the ones running college basketball. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.760 I remember, this is years ago, This is forty years ago, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.320 where a prominent player who became a Hall of Famer. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.839 I remember his family moved to another city and his 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:59.200 parents got jobs that you know, So this star athlete 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.560 comes into town not too far from where I'm from, 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.240 about twenty five miles from where I'm from, and everybody 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.080 wanted to know, Oh wow, how did he end up there? 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.760 And then we heard that his parents got jobs. Okay, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.000 it's been going on. The question is how blatant are we? 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.360 I remember players who played at Kentucky would talk about 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.760 one hundred dollars handshicks, and I thought it was pretty cool. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.279 After a game, a good game, you got one hundred 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.960 dollars handshake. These things have happened, but to what magnitude? 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.599 One hundred thousand dollars here, two hundred thousand dollars here? 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.760 You saw what happened in Louisville with the recruit. Rick 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.279 Patino said he had no prior knowledge of a recruit 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.640 getting one hundred thousand dollars. Okay, it seems like a 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.200 lot of money where you just somebody's got a checkbook 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.320 or you know, they had that access to the cash 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.440 to say, you know, I got this amount of money 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.360 over here to use on recruits. Here, coaches will tell 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:01.599 you I got out bid on a player. Coach told 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.440 me that once. I said, how did that guy? You 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.360 not keep him? You know in your state? Got outbid? What? Yep? 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:14.920 Got outbid? All right, but Zion Williamson's gonna have to 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:22.680 answer some questions here and Duke coach k be interesting 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.320 because now here's another thing. NCAA said they investigated Duke 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:31.320 has investigated this and they found nothing. Duke did it 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:36.200 twice and found nothing. And now apparently this Florida judge 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.440 says there's enough here for him to be up on 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.240 the witness stand to answer questions here a civil suit 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.880 as well, and what kind of questions will he get? 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:50.080 But we'll have a little bit more on this. James Wiseman, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.200 he covers Duke basketball as Steve Wiseman, I should say, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:07:00.680 I'm thinking of the Memphis player speaking of impermissible benefits. Perhaps, Yeah, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.840 So Steve will join us. He covers Dukes sports from 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.040 the Raleigh News and Observer. He'll join us, coming up 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.080 on how big a story is this and will this 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.680 be and what kind of timeframe are we looking at 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.200 with those Zion Williamson Kevin and Chapel Hill joins us, Hey, Kevin, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.640 what do you have for him in your day? Well, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.200 you mentioned that Zion could possibly plead the fifth So 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.760 my question is this, can they in this situation? Can 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.680 they grant him immunity and then he has to testify 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.080 and if he lies, can they hold him like criminally 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.480 you know, is there criminal charges that could follow? Much 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.440 like the Lance Armstrong things. I have no idea. We 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.600 were wondering this and nobody has a legal background. Mclovin 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.160 was a paralegal. But you can plead the fifth in 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.920 a civil suit, but I don't know what can happen here. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.880 You're gonna hurt your chances of winning. I think if 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.880 you're pleading the fifth. But let's say his stepfather got benefits. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.920 You know there's income tax and how far does the 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.680 NCAA take this if there is something there, because there 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.360 has to be a little bit there for the judge 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.720 to go. You know, I'm he I've heard enough, seen enough, 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.000 read enough where I'm going to have him on the witness. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.880 Then Okay. That's why I figured that we'd at least 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:19.400 find out where this is headed. With Zion Williamson, NBA 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.200 is going to start up July thirty first and end 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:26.800 in the middle of October. Well, at least that's unofficial 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.240 major and wogener Awski will join us coming up next hour, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.760 will tell us about this. You've got two months to 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.360 get ready for the season, and I don't know if 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.160 it's going to take more time to get ready for 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:41.000 the season, for the players physically to get ready, or 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.199 just trying to get everybody in Orlando and all the 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.880 precautionary measures that you're going to take to get them there. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.959 ESPN had a list of some of the scenarios that 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.520 have been discussed. Dave mcmeniman had this, Now, these are 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.559 just suggestions here, higher seeded team being awarded the first 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.719 possession of the second, third, and fourth quarters, following the 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.559 traditional jump ball to begin the game. They're looking for 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.079 if you're a higher seed, what is my home court advantage? 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:15.880 So much so the higher seeded teams being able to 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.760 transport their actual home court from their arenas to Orlando 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:29.319 to preserve the feel of the home court advantage. That 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.439 does not seem cost effective. I mean, okay, I'm just 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.040 throwing these are scenarios that have been suggested. The higher 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.320 seeded team receives an extra coach's challenge. How about this one? 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.960 The higher seeded team being allowed to designate one player 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.880 to be able to be whistled for seven fouls instead 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.679 of six before fouling out. I think that would be 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.480 the Jaren Jackson Junior rule. I don't know if anybody 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.720 commits more fouls in less time than my Aaron Jackson 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.800 of the Memphis Grizzlies. I think he's fouled out in 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:09.280 eighteen minutes. He's a really good player. When he plays, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.079 He's a really good player. I had the famous line 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.520 that we were talking about which player you would take 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.000 out of the draft with Luca and Trey Young, and 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.360 I said at the time of the draft, I'll take 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.280 Jaren Jackson Junior. I'm missed on that one just a 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.200 little bit. He's a good player. You know, if Luca 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.320 and Trey Young weren't in that draft, then Jaren Jackson 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.679 Junior the third might be the best player out of 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.040 that draft. Yes, mclove, he's only twenty. Oh, I know 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:41.520 he's really yes, Yes, all right, let me see what else. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.880 I still like that you have maybe the higher seeded 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.520 teams get to pick the team they want to face. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.199 I think that would be fun. I don't need to 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.120 change the game here, but what they're trying to do is, hey, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.640 you have a home court advantage. We want to give 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:02.360 you some kind of advantage here. So your star player 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.520 seven thousands. So if Draymond Green and the Warriors were 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.520 actually good, we could give Draymond seven thousand instead of six. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.840 If you want to give the team the ball starting 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.160 the second, third, and fourth quarters, I'm okay with that, man, 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.679 that's not a big deal. I don't think we need 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.520 to bring our actual home court from our home arenas 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.360 to Orlando. I like that you'd be able to pick 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.520 what team you would want to face to start out 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:34.160 the opening realm. Here's another one. One through sixteen receives 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.440 the first choice on picking which hotel they will stay 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.280 in at the Wide world As Sports Complex and Disney 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.640 World Resort. Yes, Todd, I gotta go with that animal 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.640 one where you could look at from the balcony there. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:51.240 It's like monkeys elephants running around. I think I stayed 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.800 at the Dolphin One. I don't even know what it's called. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.680 I think it's the Dolphin One. Yeah, Paul, I want 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.199 to make the team the lower ranked team they're high, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.319 the better team they play in socks. It's getting a 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.200 little silly some of these rules. But the other thing 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.360 I don't understand. Starting July thirty, First, how long does 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.520 it take to get ready for an NBA season when 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.400 I know you haven't played in two months? But I 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.560 went back to the twenty nineteen started the basketball season 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.280 training camp, and the preseason is a total of three weeks, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.160 and that's including teams that are traveling overseas for exhibition games. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.520 There's not gonna be any of that. So why would 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.439 it take more than three weeks to get ready for 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.800 the season. I know there's logistics and travel and all 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.199 that stuff, but it seems like they would be able 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.760 to cut that down to a two week training camp 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.760 in this culture. Yeah, I don't. It feels like it's 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.720 going to take longer for just the safety precautions there 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.760 in Orlando, getting everybody there. I mean, there's so many 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.840 things that are still sort of floating around here. How 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.559 many members of the media get to cover this? And 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.880 are they quarantine they get tested. How do you tell 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:01.599 somebody you're not essential enough to cover your team? What 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.640 time do the games start here? Can you play to 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.000 the West Coast audience? You know they're gonna want to 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.960 see the Lakers, They're gonna want to see the Clippers, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.800 if the Blazers are in there. They're gonna want to 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.360 see these teams play when they expect them, when they 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.319 normally are watching them play. Yeah, mclemon, if say you're 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.000 the Utah rat Jazz broadcast team. Are you gonna be 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.400 in Salt Lake watching it on TV and calling it? 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.920 Are you going to be in Orlando? I'm gonna guess 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.800 you're gonna have a lot of via remote. I think 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.800 we're starting to see that there's a lot more of 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.599 this that happens that you don't even know. You know, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.079 you think that the announcers are there or the host 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:43.520 are there. NBC would have host in Stanford, Connecticut when 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:48.040 we were in Rio. They would be they might have 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.840 somebody who's hosting or somebody who's calling Judo. They would 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:56.120 be in Connecticut in the broadcast facility at NBC Sports Network, 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.199 and they would be calling. They weren't in Brazil. So 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.000 are we going to have that? I'm assuming we're going 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.240 to have that. What's the poll question and what are 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.040 the results so far? Mclovin, Okay, who is more likely 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.080 to win a title this year? Milwaukee Bucks or Tampa 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:16.840 Bay Bucks. It is the Milwaukee Bucks, but it's pretty close. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.280 I'm surprised because it feels like Milwaukee is one of 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.000 the top three teams. I don't think Tampa is one 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:29.640 of the top three teams. Tom Brady's one of a 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.680 lot more titles than Jannis just saying thank you mclovin 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:38.160 factually true. Fritzie checked that as Tom Brady one more 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.480 titles than the Greek freak thank you Todd by six. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.040 Eric in Florida joins us on the program. Good morning, Eric, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.040 what do you have for me? Good morning? How are 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.320 you good? Sir? Yeah, I just heard you while talking 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.160 about whether or not Zion could plead the fifth in 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.440 the civil case. Of course, I'm a lawyer in Florida. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.240 Of course he can do that. But the rule is 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.240 an adverse inference can be drawn from someone drawing pleading 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.120 the fifth in answer to a question, what kind of 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.880 questions do you can you ask? Zion Williamson? Is everything 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.440 on the table? Everything is on the table. Everything is 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.120 on the table. He can, of course, refuse to answer 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.560 questions that would invade the attorney client privilege. He can 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.640 refuse to answer questions that he may think may incriminate him. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.320 If there's some sort of concern, he may be charged criminally. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.840 But if he refuses to answer a question on the 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.080 grounds of the Fifth Amendment because he thinks he thinks 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.680 it may incriminate him, then those answers can have an 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.320 adverse inference against him in the case. But when you 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.200 look at something like this, and I don't know exactly 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.240 what's at stake here, and I don't know if there 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:49.760 is a settlement in the offering here. But if he's 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.320 found guilty of taking something, what does that mean? Not 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.840 just NCAA wise, but what does that mean, you know, 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.680 criminally or if they're looking at this it's a civil suit. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.840 So I just don't know what's worst case scenario with 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.920 something like this. Well, I mean worst case scenario. I 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.560 mean if he actually answers questions and he admits to 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.600 you know, getting a bribe or getting something that was 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.160 impermissible which prompted him or let him to go to 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.560 Duke University. I mean that information is public material. So anyone, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.400 a prosecutor, the NCAA, uh, the ACC anyone could look 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.680 at that that information and use it to initiate their 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.280 own investigation. So that's the worst case scenario, which can 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.720 include criminal charges, sanctions for the university. I mean, all 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.720 of those things are possible. I mean, I think it's 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.120 unlikely he will answer those questions, but you know, that's 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.200 that's the worst case scenario. Eric, Thank you for calling in. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.640 We appreciate your information. All right, we'll take a break. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.360 We'll come back more on this. We'll check in with 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.280 Steve Wiseman. He's covering this story for the Raleigh News 0:16:54.400 --> 0:17:00.360 and Observer. If you're his defense attorney, how long can 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.919 you drag this out? Is there a settlement in the offing? 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.000 Oh boy? Phone calls coming up as well. 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Steve Wiseman, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.440 he is the Duke beat writer for the Raleigh News 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.360 an observer, joining us on the program as we talk 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.280 about Zion Williamson as this case moves forward, How big 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.000 a story is this in the area of the Durham area, Steve, Yeah, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.840 it's a big deal, and you know, mainly, you know, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.280 the rivals are really on top of each other here 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.600 right Carolina down the road and see State down the road. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.840 Everybody wants to see the big one go down. So 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.240 that's a big deal because Duke's ne really never been 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.640 hit with anything, and Zion was such a big star, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.359 and you know, since the one and done era came in, 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.640 there's always talk about, you know, these players getting paid 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.840 things on the side to go to certain schools, and 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.200 this is one that's going through the court system, which 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.439 can lead us to some concrete answers. What is Zion 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:58.600 being sued for? He actually sued his agent first. He 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.000 saw as ex agent. He sided a deal with Tina 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.679 Ford in April twenty nineteen for marketing representation, and then 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:07.880 a month later decided he wanted to go with CAA, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.720 a little buch larger firm for contracts and marketing, so 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.119 she exercised the clause that said he owed her a 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.320 hundred million dollars for breaking the contract. So he sued, 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.200 saying that her contract his contract with her was never 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.399 was void because she wasn't registered as an agent in 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.200 North Carolina and shows she violated North Carolina agent laws. 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:34.040 She countersued, saying that Zion was never really an athlete 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.800 an eligible student athlete because he had taken improper benefits, 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.840 so he never should have been declared. Therefore the law 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.280 doesn't apply to him. So she has a suit in Florida. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.000 He has a suit in federal court in Greensboro, North Carolina, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.119 and they're both kind of going through the process right now. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.640 Does she have evidence of what Zion Williamson or any 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:57.399 of his representatives his parents took from the issue companies. No, 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.280 right now, it's just allegations. We've asked several times for 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.119 you know, what kind of evidence do you have. They 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.639 have not presented anything publicly or in the court system, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.600 so we're still waiting on that. They wanted to pose 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:12.280 him and ask him questions about it, and his law 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.080 attorneys don't want that to happen. They're trying to stop that. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.040 They're trying to get the case thrown out before we 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.560 even come to a discovery phase. So that's where we 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.480 stand at this point. What are his options. Well, he 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.280 can settle with her, and I think that's kind of 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.679 what this is. It's it's leverage on either side. I mean, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.239 she wants one hundred million dollars, he wants to pay 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.760 her nothing. So somewhere in the middle they're going to 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.960 reach a compromise, probably before this gets any further. I 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.159 have to believe that's where we're heading toward. But in 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.520 the meantime, there's a lot of pressure being applied in 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:46.560 both directions. Any response from Duke just their regular response 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.880 that you know, they investigated his finances, his Stanley's finances 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.199 the instead of lay did it when they cleared him 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:57.040 to play. Initially at Duke. In April twenty nineteen, when 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.480 when Michael Avanta made his allegations as part of his 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:04.200 extortion against Nike, that Zion was paid the coach k 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.480 was involved, Duke did another look at Zion's situation, not 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.960 the athletic department, but the school, and they said they 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.160 found no evidence to supporting these allegations. So that's where 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.280 they are. They are steadfast that he's done nothing wrong. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.040 They've done nothing wrong, and that's where they staid at 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.720 this point, how does this go badly for Zion and 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.200 Duke if they don't reach an agreement and he has 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.920 to he has to be deposed and he's under oath 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.359 and they can ask They've presented pointed questions like, you know, 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.640 did you take payments? Did anybody with your family take 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.240 payments along the way? Was coach K involved with these payments? 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.280 That kind of stuff, which again they've there's no evidence 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.680 to that yet out publicly, but those are the questions 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.520 they want to ask him. And they've even Gina Ford's side, 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:55.080 Prime Sports Marketing attorneys have even made inroads about deposing 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:58.520 coach K and other people are surrounding Zion, his family 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.320 and things like that. So whenever you're under oath and 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.560 you're being questioned in a deposition situation, who knows what 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.000 they could ask and who knows what you'll have to 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.479 answer and what could come out. But is that more 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.000 of a threat to legal threat to say, hey, we're 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.040 thinking about deposing your family here and coach k and 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.760 if you're Zion Williamson, do you want to go down 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.760 that road? Right? And that's the fear, And so I 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.280 think that's where that's where the pressure is being applied 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.120 to try to reach a settlement. And I don't think 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.720 they do. Now they claim that they've done nothing wrong. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:33.280 Duke saim, nothing's been done wrong, But yet Zion's attorneys 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.040 have not come out full throat and said we deny 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.280 all these allegations. That hasn't happened yet, you know, if 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.080 they're holding that back as part of the leverage or what, 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:45.480 But that hasn't happened. So again, I think that before 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.280 this comes the deposition, I have to believe they're going 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.560 to come to a settlement because at some point, you know, 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.080 he has to concide does he want to just make 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.680 this go away? But if you come to it a settlement, 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.879 is that sort of the court of public opinion is 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.720 going to be like, Okay, he took something, Duke knew 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.159 about this. What does the NCAA do if there is 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.240 a settlement in a situation like this, do they you know, 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.480 they usually like somebody to do all the work for them, 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.560 and then they come in. But does how does the 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.200 NCAA get involved in this? If there's a settlement with 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:22.080