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Speaker 1: With everything going on, the Zion Williamson case may have
Speaker 1: slipped your notice. The Pelican star is in the middle
Speaker 1: of a litigation that dates back to his time at Duke.
Speaker 1: A marketing agency is suing him for breaching their agreement,
Speaker 1: and now you have a Florida judge ruling. Zion Williamson
Speaker 1: will have to answer questions about his eligibility under oath,
Speaker 1: did he take improper benefits or did his family His
Speaker 1: lawyers are expected expected to appeal the ruling, but the
Speaker 1: marketing agency claims Williamson's parents received gifts from Nike, Adidas
Speaker 1: and people associated with Duke. We've had versions of this
Speaker 1: case many times before, but Zion's one of the biggest
Speaker 1: college stars in a generation, and Duke is the premier
Speaker 1: program in the sport. The rules are changing on amateurism,
Speaker 1: so it could be one of college sports last big scandals,
Speaker 1: or maybe the public doesn't care. Everyone seems to love Zion,
Speaker 1: Although people don't universally love Duke, Zion's enjoy to watch
Speaker 1: the attitudes have changed dramatically in players marketing themselves, profiting
Speaker 1: from their own image, their likeness. Change has already arrived
Speaker 1: in college sports, even if the official rules they're still
Speaker 1: a little bit behind. But if he gets on the
Speaker 1: stand and has to answer questions in a civil lawsuit,
Speaker 1: what will he say? Will he plead the fifth? If
Speaker 1: he does plead the fifth, how are we going to
Speaker 1: react to this? What's the NCAA going to do? It
Speaker 1: feels like Duke's that last team, that last school, where
Speaker 1: anybody else caught up in any anything that's scandalous nefarious,
Speaker 1: We're like, Okay, that's college athletics, that's college basketball. Duke's different.
Speaker 1: But if Duke is, you know, they're brought in under
Speaker 1: this umbrella and all of a sudden, things would you
Speaker 1: know are going to change dramatically? It feels like, but
Speaker 1: if you're Zion, how long can you delay the testimony? Here,
Speaker 1: maybe coach k if there is something here, didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about it. It used to be where you could
Speaker 1: get money from an assistant coach or booster. Usually the
Speaker 1: head coach is insulated, and I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: anything here. If you said to me, I'm more surprised
Speaker 1: if Zion didn't get anything, because it's Zion Williamson, he
Speaker 1: has to go to school for one year. If I'm
Speaker 1: in Zion's position, I have to pass up millions because
Speaker 1: I have to go one year to college basketball. You're
Speaker 1: going to want something for your time, because it felt
Speaker 1: like Duke and college Basketball needed Zion Williams and a
Speaker 1: whole lot more than Zion needed them. But if you're
Speaker 1: going to get something, what are you getting? Are you
Speaker 1: getting something for your parents? Are you getting anything? Did
Speaker 1: Zion get anything? Tangibly get anything? I don't know did
Speaker 1: his parents get anything. There was the report, the story
Speaker 1: out of Kansas where you had an assistant coach on
Speaker 1: tape talking about Zion's parents what they wanted for him
Speaker 1: to go to Kansas. Are we under the impression that
Speaker 1: he wanted something from Kansas but didn't need anything from Duke?
Speaker 1: And remember with Cam Newton, cam Newton. You know, there
Speaker 1: was the story that he was at his dad was
Speaker 1: asking for over one hundred thousand dollars to go to
Speaker 1: Mississippi State and then he ends up at Auburn. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we apply logic to this, so I want money
Speaker 1: from Mississippi State, but I don't need money from Auburn.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense if it is true that he
Speaker 1: was at his dad was asking for money from Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: But this is about Duke more than it is Zion Williamson,
Speaker 1: because Zion is gone and he's going to have a
Speaker 1: very lucrative career in the NBA. But Duke is an
Speaker 1: island under themselves. So if this would come out that
Speaker 1: Duke was somehow involved in this, and the shoe companies
Speaker 1: are still so powerful, they're the ones running college basketball.
Speaker 1: I remember, this is years ago, This is forty years ago,
Speaker 1: where a prominent player who became a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: I remember his family moved to another city and his
Speaker 1: parents got jobs that you know, So this star athlete
Speaker 1: comes into town not too far from where I'm from,
Speaker 1: about twenty five miles from where I'm from, and everybody
Speaker 1: wanted to know, Oh wow, how did he end up there?
Speaker 1: And then we heard that his parents got jobs. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's been going on. The question is how blatant are we?
Speaker 1: I remember players who played at Kentucky would talk about
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars handshicks, and I thought it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: After a game, a good game, you got one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars handshake. These things have happened, but to what magnitude?
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand dollars here, two hundred thousand dollars here?
Speaker 1: You saw what happened in Louisville with the recruit. Rick
Speaker 1: Patino said he had no prior knowledge of a recruit
Speaker 1: getting one hundred thousand dollars. Okay, it seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of money where you just somebody's got a checkbook
Speaker 1: or you know, they had that access to the cash
Speaker 1: to say, you know, I got this amount of money
Speaker 1: over here to use on recruits. Here, coaches will tell
Speaker 1: you I got out bid on a player. Coach told
Speaker 1: me that once. I said, how did that guy? You
Speaker 1: not keep him? You know in your state? Got outbid? What? Yep?
Speaker 1: Got outbid? All right, but Zion Williamson's gonna have to
Speaker 1: answer some questions here and Duke coach k be interesting
Speaker 1: because now here's another thing. NCAA said they investigated Duke
Speaker 1: has investigated this and they found nothing. Duke did it
Speaker 1: twice and found nothing. And now apparently this Florida judge
Speaker 1: says there's enough here for him to be up on
Speaker 1: the witness stand to answer questions here a civil suit
Speaker 1: as well, and what kind of questions will he get?
Speaker 1: But we'll have a little bit more on this. James Wiseman,
Speaker 1: he covers Duke basketball as Steve Wiseman, I should say,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the Memphis player speaking of impermissible benefits. Perhaps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Steve will join us. He covers Dukes sports from
Speaker 1: the Raleigh News and Observer. He'll join us, coming up
Speaker 1: on how big a story is this and will this
Speaker 1: be and what kind of timeframe are we looking at
Speaker 1: with those Zion Williamson Kevin and Chapel Hill joins us, Hey, Kevin,
Speaker 1: what do you have for him in your day? Well,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that Zion could possibly plead the fifth So
Speaker 1: my question is this, can they in this situation? Can
Speaker 1: they grant him immunity and then he has to testify
Speaker 1: and if he lies, can they hold him like criminally
Speaker 1: you know, is there criminal charges that could follow? Much
Speaker 1: like the Lance Armstrong things. I have no idea. We
Speaker 1: were wondering this and nobody has a legal background. Mclovin
Speaker 1: was a paralegal. But you can plead the fifth in
Speaker 1: a civil suit, but I don't know what can happen here.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hurt your chances of winning. I think if
Speaker 1: you're pleading the fifth. But let's say his stepfather got benefits.
Speaker 1: You know there's income tax and how far does the
Speaker 1: NCAA take this if there is something there, because there
Speaker 1: has to be a little bit there for the judge
Speaker 1: to go. You know, I'm he I've heard enough, seen enough,
Speaker 1: read enough where I'm going to have him on the witness.
Speaker 1: Then Okay. That's why I figured that we'd at least
Speaker 1: find out where this is headed. With Zion Williamson, NBA
Speaker 1: is going to start up July thirty first and end
Speaker 1: in the middle of October. Well, at least that's unofficial
Speaker 1: major and wogener Awski will join us coming up next hour,
Speaker 1: will tell us about this. You've got two months to
Speaker 1: get ready for the season, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's going to take more time to get ready for
Speaker 1: the season, for the players physically to get ready, or
Speaker 1: just trying to get everybody in Orlando and all the
Speaker 1: precautionary measures that you're going to take to get them there.
Speaker 1: ESPN had a list of some of the scenarios that
Speaker 1: have been discussed. Dave mcmeniman had this, Now, these are
Speaker 1: just suggestions here, higher seeded team being awarded the first
Speaker 1: possession of the second, third, and fourth quarters, following the
Speaker 1: traditional jump ball to begin the game. They're looking for
Speaker 1: if you're a higher seed, what is my home court advantage?
Speaker 1: So much so the higher seeded teams being able to
Speaker 1: transport their actual home court from their arenas to Orlando
Speaker 1: to preserve the feel of the home court advantage. That
Speaker 1: does not seem cost effective. I mean, okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: throwing these are scenarios that have been suggested. The higher
Speaker 1: seeded team receives an extra coach's challenge. How about this one?
Speaker 1: The higher seeded team being allowed to designate one player
Speaker 1: to be able to be whistled for seven fouls instead
Speaker 1: of six before fouling out. I think that would be
Speaker 1: the Jaren Jackson Junior rule. I don't know if anybody
Speaker 1: commits more fouls in less time than my Aaron Jackson
Speaker 1: of the Memphis Grizzlies. I think he's fouled out in
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes. He's a really good player. When he plays,
Speaker 1: He's a really good player. I had the famous line
Speaker 1: that we were talking about which player you would take
Speaker 1: out of the draft with Luca and Trey Young, and
Speaker 1: I said at the time of the draft, I'll take
Speaker 1: Jaren Jackson Junior. I'm missed on that one just a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's a good player. You know, if Luca
Speaker 1: and Trey Young weren't in that draft, then Jaren Jackson
Speaker 1: Junior the third might be the best player out of
Speaker 1: that draft. Yes, mclove, he's only twenty. Oh, I know
Speaker 1: he's really yes, Yes, all right, let me see what else.
Speaker 1: I still like that you have maybe the higher seeded
Speaker 1: teams get to pick the team they want to face.
Speaker 1: I think that would be fun. I don't need to
Speaker 1: change the game here, but what they're trying to do is, hey,
Speaker 1: you have a home court advantage. We want to give
Speaker 1: you some kind of advantage here. So your star player
Speaker 1: seven thousands. So if Draymond Green and the Warriors were
Speaker 1: actually good, we could give Draymond seven thousand instead of six.
Speaker 1: If you want to give the team the ball starting
Speaker 1: the second, third, and fourth quarters, I'm okay with that, man,
Speaker 1: that's not a big deal. I don't think we need
Speaker 1: to bring our actual home court from our home arenas
Speaker 1: to Orlando. I like that you'd be able to pick
Speaker 1: what team you would want to face to start out
Speaker 1: the opening realm. Here's another one. One through sixteen receives
Speaker 1: the first choice on picking which hotel they will stay
Speaker 1: in at the Wide world As Sports Complex and Disney
Speaker 1: World Resort. Yes, Todd, I gotta go with that animal
Speaker 1: one where you could look at from the balcony there.
Speaker 1: It's like monkeys elephants running around. I think I stayed
Speaker 1: at the Dolphin One. I don't even know what it's called.
Speaker 1: I think it's the Dolphin One. Yeah, Paul, I want
Speaker 1: to make the team the lower ranked team they're high,
Speaker 1: the better team they play in socks. It's getting a
Speaker 1: little silly some of these rules. But the other thing
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Starting July thirty, First, how long does
Speaker 1: it take to get ready for an NBA season when
Speaker 1: I know you haven't played in two months? But I
Speaker 1: went back to the twenty nineteen started the basketball season
Speaker 1: training camp, and the preseason is a total of three weeks,
Speaker 1: and that's including teams that are traveling overseas for exhibition games.
Speaker 1: There's not gonna be any of that. So why would
Speaker 1: it take more than three weeks to get ready for
Speaker 1: the season. I know there's logistics and travel and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but it seems like they would be able
Speaker 1: to cut that down to a two week training camp
Speaker 1: in this culture. Yeah, I don't. It feels like it's
Speaker 1: going to take longer for just the safety precautions there
Speaker 1: in Orlando, getting everybody there. I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: things that are still sort of floating around here. How
Speaker 1: many members of the media get to cover this? And
Speaker 1: are they quarantine they get tested. How do you tell
Speaker 1: somebody you're not essential enough to cover your team? What
Speaker 1: time do the games start here? Can you play to
Speaker 1: the West Coast audience? You know they're gonna want to
Speaker 1: see the Lakers, They're gonna want to see the Clippers,
Speaker 1: if the Blazers are in there. They're gonna want to
Speaker 1: see these teams play when they expect them, when they
Speaker 1: normally are watching them play. Yeah, mclemon, if say you're
Speaker 1: the Utah rat Jazz broadcast team. Are you gonna be
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake watching it on TV and calling it?
Speaker 1: Are you going to be in Orlando? I'm gonna guess
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of via remote. I think
Speaker 1: we're starting to see that there's a lot more of
Speaker 1: this that happens that you don't even know. You know,
Speaker 1: you think that the announcers are there or the host
Speaker 1: are there. NBC would have host in Stanford, Connecticut when
Speaker 1: we were in Rio. They would be they might have
Speaker 1: somebody who's hosting or somebody who's calling Judo. They would
Speaker 1: be in Connecticut in the broadcast facility at NBC Sports Network,
Speaker 1: and they would be calling. They weren't in Brazil. So
Speaker 1: are we going to have that? I'm assuming we're going
Speaker 1: to have that. What's the poll question and what are
Speaker 1: the results so far? Mclovin, Okay, who is more likely
Speaker 1: to win a title this year? Milwaukee Bucks or Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Bucks. It is the Milwaukee Bucks, but it's pretty close.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised because it feels like Milwaukee is one of
Speaker 1: the top three teams. I don't think Tampa is one
Speaker 1: of the top three teams. Tom Brady's one of a
Speaker 1: lot more titles than Jannis just saying thank you mclovin
Speaker 1: factually true. Fritzie checked that as Tom Brady one more
Speaker 1: titles than the Greek freak thank you Todd by six.
Speaker 1: Eric in Florida joins us on the program. Good morning, Eric,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me? Good morning? How are
Speaker 1: you good? Sir? Yeah, I just heard you while talking
Speaker 1: about whether or not Zion could plead the fifth in
Speaker 1: the civil case. Of course, I'm a lawyer in Florida.
Speaker 1: Of course he can do that. But the rule is
Speaker 1: an adverse inference can be drawn from someone drawing pleading
Speaker 1: the fifth in answer to a question, what kind of
Speaker 1: questions do you can you ask? Zion Williamson? Is everything
Speaker 1: on the table? Everything is on the table. Everything is
Speaker 1: on the table. He can, of course, refuse to answer
Speaker 1: questions that would invade the attorney client privilege. He can
Speaker 1: refuse to answer questions that he may think may incriminate him.
Speaker 1: If there's some sort of concern, he may be charged criminally.
Speaker 1: But if he refuses to answer a question on the
Speaker 1: grounds of the Fifth Amendment because he thinks he thinks
Speaker 1: it may incriminate him, then those answers can have an
Speaker 1: adverse inference against him in the case. But when you
Speaker 1: look at something like this, and I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what's at stake here, and I don't know if there
Speaker 1: is a settlement in the offering here. But if he's
Speaker 1: found guilty of taking something, what does that mean? Not
Speaker 1: just NCAA wise, but what does that mean, you know,
Speaker 1: criminally or if they're looking at this it's a civil suit.
Speaker 1: So I just don't know what's worst case scenario with
Speaker 1: something like this. Well, I mean worst case scenario. I
Speaker 1: mean if he actually answers questions and he admits to
Speaker 1: you know, getting a bribe or getting something that was
Speaker 1: impermissible which prompted him or let him to go to
Speaker 1: Duke University. I mean that information is public material. So anyone,
Speaker 1: a prosecutor, the NCAA, uh, the ACC anyone could look
Speaker 1: at that that information and use it to initiate their
Speaker 1: own investigation. So that's the worst case scenario, which can
Speaker 1: include criminal charges, sanctions for the university. I mean, all
Speaker 1: of those things are possible. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: unlikely he will answer those questions, but you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's the worst case scenario. Eric, Thank you for calling in.
Speaker 1: We appreciate your information. All right, we'll take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back more on this. We'll check in with
Speaker 1: Steve Wiseman. He's covering this story for the Raleigh News
Speaker 1: and Observer. If you're his defense attorney, how long can
Speaker 1: you drag this out? Is there a settlement in the offing?
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Phone calls coming up as well. We'll get
Speaker 1: to those, and we'll check in with Adrian Wognarowski on
Speaker 1: all these options for the NBA to come back by
Speaker 1: the end of July. It's eighteen after the hour. Back
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Speaker 1: He'll join us coming up in an hour. Steve Wiseman,
Speaker 1: he is the Duke beat writer for the Raleigh News
Speaker 1: an observer, joining us on the program as we talk
Speaker 1: about Zion Williamson as this case moves forward, How big
Speaker 1: a story is this in the area of the Durham area, Steve, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal, and you know, mainly, you know,
Speaker 1: the rivals are really on top of each other here
Speaker 1: right Carolina down the road and see State down the road.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to see the big one go down. So
Speaker 1: that's a big deal because Duke's ne really never been
Speaker 1: hit with anything, and Zion was such a big star,
Speaker 1: and you know, since the one and done era came in,
Speaker 1: there's always talk about, you know, these players getting paid
Speaker 1: things on the side to go to certain schools, and
Speaker 1: this is one that's going through the court system, which
Speaker 1: can lead us to some concrete answers. What is Zion
Speaker 1: being sued for? He actually sued his agent first. He
Speaker 1: saw as ex agent. He sided a deal with Tina
Speaker 1: Ford in April twenty nineteen for marketing representation, and then
Speaker 1: a month later decided he wanted to go with CAA,
Speaker 1: a little buch larger firm for contracts and marketing, so
Speaker 1: she exercised the clause that said he owed her a
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars for breaking the contract. So he sued,
Speaker 1: saying that her contract his contract with her was never
Speaker 1: was void because she wasn't registered as an agent in
Speaker 1: North Carolina and shows she violated North Carolina agent laws.
Speaker 1: She countersued, saying that Zion was never really an athlete
Speaker 1: an eligible student athlete because he had taken improper benefits,
Speaker 1: so he never should have been declared. Therefore the law
Speaker 1: doesn't apply to him. So she has a suit in Florida.
Speaker 1: He has a suit in federal court in Greensboro, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and they're both kind of going through the process right now.
Speaker 1: Does she have evidence of what Zion Williamson or any
Speaker 1: of his representatives his parents took from the issue companies. No,
Speaker 1: right now, it's just allegations. We've asked several times for
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of evidence do you have. They
Speaker 1: have not presented anything publicly or in the court system,
Speaker 1: so we're still waiting on that. They wanted to pose
Speaker 1: him and ask him questions about it, and his law
Speaker 1: attorneys don't want that to happen. They're trying to stop that.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get the case thrown out before we
Speaker 1: even come to a discovery phase. So that's where we
Speaker 1: stand at this point. What are his options. Well, he
Speaker 1: can settle with her, and I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: what this is. It's it's leverage on either side. I mean,
Speaker 1: she wants one hundred million dollars, he wants to pay
Speaker 1: her nothing. So somewhere in the middle they're going to
Speaker 1: reach a compromise, probably before this gets any further. I
Speaker 1: have to believe that's where we're heading toward. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, there's a lot of pressure being applied in
Speaker 1: both directions. Any response from Duke just their regular response
Speaker 1: that you know, they investigated his finances, his Stanley's finances
Speaker 1: the instead of lay did it when they cleared him
Speaker 1: to play. Initially at Duke. In April twenty nineteen, when
Speaker 1: when Michael Avanta made his allegations as part of his
Speaker 1: extortion against Nike, that Zion was paid the coach k
Speaker 1: was involved, Duke did another look at Zion's situation, not
Speaker 1: the athletic department, but the school, and they said they
Speaker 1: found no evidence to supporting these allegations. So that's where
Speaker 1: they are. They are steadfast that he's done nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: They've done nothing wrong, and that's where they staid at
Speaker 1: this point, how does this go badly for Zion and
Speaker 1: Duke if they don't reach an agreement and he has
Speaker 1: to he has to be deposed and he's under oath
Speaker 1: and they can ask They've presented pointed questions like, you know,
Speaker 1: did you take payments? Did anybody with your family take
Speaker 1: payments along the way? Was coach K involved with these payments?
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, which again they've there's no evidence
Speaker 1: to that yet out publicly, but those are the questions
Speaker 1: they want to ask him. And they've even Gina Ford's side,
Speaker 1: Prime Sports Marketing attorneys have even made inroads about deposing
Speaker 1: coach K and other people are surrounding Zion, his family
Speaker 1: and things like that. So whenever you're under oath and
Speaker 1: you're being questioned in a deposition situation, who knows what
Speaker 1: they could ask and who knows what you'll have to
Speaker 1: answer and what could come out. But is that more
Speaker 1: of a threat to legal threat to say, hey, we're
Speaker 1: thinking about deposing your family here and coach k and
Speaker 1: if you're Zion Williamson, do you want to go down
Speaker 1: that road? Right? And that's the fear, And so I
Speaker 1: think that's where that's where the pressure is being applied
Speaker 1: to try to reach a settlement. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they do. Now they claim that they've done nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: Duke saim, nothing's been done wrong, But yet Zion's attorneys
Speaker 1: have not come out full throat and said we deny
Speaker 1: all these allegations. That hasn't happened yet, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're holding that back as part of the leverage or what,
Speaker 1: But that hasn't happened. So again, I think that before
Speaker 1: this comes the deposition, I have to believe they're going
Speaker 1: to come to a settlement because at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: he has to concide does he want to just make
Speaker 1: this go away? But if you come to it a settlement,
Speaker 1: is that sort of the court of public opinion is
Speaker 1: going to be like, Okay, he took something, Duke knew
Speaker 1: about this. What does the NCAA do if there is
Speaker 1: a settlement in a situation like this, do they you know,
Speaker 1: they usually like somebody to do all the work for them,
Speaker 1: and then they come in. But does how does the
Speaker 1: NCAA get involved in this? If there's a settlement with
Speaker 1: the Zion and the former marketing person, you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna want to go back and take a look at it.
Speaker 1: They almost have to. And just like with all the
Speaker 1: other cases that are going on that surrounded the Adidast
Speaker 1: thing and the FBI, you know, you're right, they want
Speaker 1: people to do most of the work for them. That's
Speaker 1: why they're I'm sure hoping this deposition happens so that
Speaker 1: one way or another they can put it to bed,
Speaker 1: right they either or he admits he did something wrong
Speaker 1: or under oath admits he didn't, and then you go
Speaker 1: from there. So yeah, that's again I think the INCABLA
Speaker 1: will have to look at this again, even though they
Speaker 1: say they already have when Zion came into school. Duke
Speaker 1: has shared everything they gathered in the second investigation with
Speaker 1: the NCABA. They work in control function, so um that
Speaker 1: you know, that's where that's where they stand. Without Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I still go back to the audio tape of
Speaker 1: the Kansas assistant and he is, you know, heard talking
Speaker 1: about what Zion's family or stepfather wants to go to Kansas.
Speaker 1: This isn't going to Creighton. This is going to Kansas.
Speaker 1: So where are we under the belief or of the
Speaker 1: belief that he wants something or his dad wants something
Speaker 1: to go to Kansas, but then he doesn't want something
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, I'm just trying to be logical here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to cast his spursions as much as
Speaker 1: I just want to go. Okay, I might need something.
Speaker 1: He needs something from Kansas, but then he goes to
Speaker 1: Duke and he doesn't need anything. Does that make sense
Speaker 1: to you? It's not logical, is it? In the real world.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense that that would happen. And you know,
Speaker 1: there was some talk about Clemson and one of their
Speaker 1: assistants who lost his job as part of the investigation,
Speaker 1: the FBI stuff, you know, his involvement with with Zion
Speaker 1: saying that you know, he you know, he made trips
Speaker 1: there and things like that. So, um, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: largely makes sense. And that's why to me, if he
Speaker 1: goes under oath and says what he believes is true,
Speaker 1: that he didn't do anything wrong, that would be the
Speaker 1: best outcome for Duke in the NC Double A, because
Speaker 1: if it does go away with the settlement, everybody's still
Speaker 1: gonna wonder, Like you said, what happened? What did he
Speaker 1: really do? We had this sitution plation with Duke eight
Speaker 1: nine years ago with Lance Thomas who was on the
Speaker 1: twenty ten championship team, who got some jewelry from a
Speaker 1: guy and jeweler in Manhattan during his senior year and
Speaker 1: then the lawyer or the jewelers suited him. Has lasted
Speaker 1: in pain for it. He got it free for a while,
Speaker 1: they settled it out of court, and they just went away.
Speaker 1: So again that's the case where everybody always points back
Speaker 1: to Lance Thomas, what really happened with that and what
Speaker 1: did Duke know? What they didn't know? And it was
Speaker 1: it never really came to fruition. How much are the
Speaker 1: Carolina fans enjoying this? It's great for them, it's best
Speaker 1: born a fodder and for state Carolina, Kentucky anybody who
Speaker 1: hates Duke. This is what you wanted to have happened.
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of programs go down like this,
Speaker 1: right are getting in the muck Kansas you mentioned, I mean,
Speaker 1: for years, Kansas is one of the shining shining lights
Speaker 1: of college basketball, and then now they're down in the
Speaker 1: muck with everybody else. So yeah, whenever somebody's on top,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of other people that want to see him
Speaker 1: go down. Steve, good stuff. We'll be following. We appreciate
Speaker 1: your time, Thank you for joining us. Thanks Dan, gonna
Speaker 1: do with you. That's Steve Wiseman, the Duke beat writer
Speaker 1: for the Raleigh News and Observer. I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a settlement waiting to happen in this situation. We Zion
Speaker 1: just feels like that maybe the best for both sides.
Speaker 1: But if there is a settlement, you know that court
Speaker 1: of public opinion is going to be looking at this
Speaker 1: going yeah, yeah, point. But is there a better time
Speaker 1: in history to get in trouble for paying a player? Now,
Speaker 1: even if it's not the athletics department, nobody cares that
Speaker 1: players are getting paid. No one's going to care. This
Speaker 1: Duke's story was a one day story when it came
Speaker 1: out a month ago, and you know, there's it still
Speaker 1: will mean if it, let's say all goes poorly and
Speaker 1: Duke is found to have put together a plan to
Speaker 1: obtain Zion through funds with a booster blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: This would be the best time in history for it
Speaker 1: to have it. This is in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's Duke. Yeah, but for Duke, this is the
Speaker 1: best time in the world it could happen. Remember what
Speaker 1: happened to NC State. They lost a coach, the national
Speaker 1: title winning coach. They got sanctions and everything. That was
Speaker 1: a generation ago. Yeah, but the nc double A loves
Speaker 1: when you do the work for them and then if
Speaker 1: it comes out, then what do you do, Like, what
Speaker 1: do you You're not taking away a title, they didn't
Speaker 1: win a title, but what are you doing to Duke?
Speaker 1: Like what would the penalties be for Duke? If Zion
Speaker 1: admits that his parents got something. Yeah, See, it feels
Speaker 1: like it would be a much bigger deal for Duke
Speaker 1: than for other schools, you know what I mean some
Speaker 1: coaches can you know that hit? It feels different than
Speaker 1: if the Duke head coach got it. Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: something happens to Michigan State or Syracuse, Kansas, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe Mark Few at Gonzaga, people might be like, wow,
Speaker 1: Gonzaga getting popped here. But even then, it just feels
Speaker 1: like there's no school where I would go, I'm surprised. Now,
Speaker 1: I would be surprised at Duke, but I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: that surprised because this is Zion Williamson going there. If
Speaker 1: he's asking for things or his parents are asking for
Speaker 1: things reportedly and on tape, his you know, the assistant
Speaker 1: coach is saying, this is what his dad wants. I
Speaker 1: can't believe that that's an isolated incident, just like Cam
Speaker 1: Newton did his dad ask for one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars from Mississippi State but then didn't ask for
Speaker 1: anything from Auburn. Yeah. Point, I hate to bring this up,
Speaker 1: but the joke back at the time was it made
Speaker 1: sense because you've got to get paid to go to
Speaker 1: Mississippi State and play football back when they weren't that
Speaker 1: good and Auburn it's that was a joke at the time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a settlement here because if you're Zion,
Speaker 1: you don't want Duke and Coach K involved in this.
Speaker 1: You don't want coach K on the witness stand, you
Speaker 1: don't want him facing these questions in a civil lawsuit.
Speaker 1: But if you do settle, I think everybody's going to
Speaker 1: have the same view of this, and that is guilty,
Speaker 1: bought his way out of this, Now we move on. Yeah, Fortue,
Speaker 1: is that enough of an explanation to the court of
Speaker 1: public opinion? Doesn't turn on you too much to say
Speaker 1: I don't want to drag my school and my legendary
Speaker 1: coach into this. I'll just give them some money to
Speaker 1: go away as opposed to looking guilty. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, you start to wonder what the
Speaker 1: logic will be with this of how do we protect
Speaker 1: as many people as possible if Zion did take something?
Speaker 1: What's the best way to get out of this? And
Speaker 1: it feels like that is just a settlement. You just
Speaker 1: don't want questions being asked. And then you go, I
Speaker 1: plead the film, I plead the fifth he how do
Speaker 1: I avoid this? Can we get it thrown out? We
Speaker 1: can't get it thrown out. It's going to be heard
Speaker 1: in Florida. You don't want him up on the witness
Speaker 1: stand being asked these questions because then somebody's gonna probably say, well,
Speaker 1: explain this tape that happened, this audio tape that happened
Speaker 1: at Kansas where the assistant coach said that your stepfather
Speaker 1: wanted this, How do you explain that? And Zion could say, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about that, and maybe he didn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe this was just, you know, we'll keep this separate
Speaker 1: from you. And it wouldn't be the first parents that
Speaker 1: did that with their athlete, star athlete. Yeah, point that
Speaker 1: the move would be Zion. In the middle of the
Speaker 1: court case, he gets asked that, he turns and goes
Speaker 1: dad just completely fuddled. Oh yes, he actually, as it
Speaker 1: turns out, my dad took all that stuff. But I
Speaker 1: didn't know that he took that stuff, So it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the first time it wouldn't. I just I apply
Speaker 1: logic sometimes, and I know that's not the best thing
Speaker 1: to do, but I just apply logic. And if you said, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what it's going to take for me to
Speaker 1: get Zion here, I got to take care of his parents,
Speaker 1: I understand it. If I'm Zion, I would want something too,
Speaker 1: because you're I have to go to school. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go to school and go right to the pros.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm gonna be on National TV thirty
Speaker 1: one times. All right, take care of me, because I
Speaker 1: don't think you can go from Kansas where you're asking
Speaker 1: for something to then go you know, on second thought,
Speaker 1: I don't need anything. I'm going to Duke. I'm guessing
Speaker 1: he could have gone to Duke right away. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was going. I don't know Duke come up
Speaker 1: with anything. No, not yet. All right, let me see
Speaker 1: if Kansas has got something. I'm guessing he had a
Speaker 1: scholarship to Duke Aboly in ninth grade. You know, pol
Speaker 1: do you guys have the same reaction I do when
Speaker 1: a top flight player, like an five star goes to
Speaker 1: some obscure school in the middle of nowhere. You know,
Speaker 1: just I'm throwing one out there, but like Kansas State
Speaker 1: State pops to my head. Wait, you're the top You're
Speaker 1: the number two players in the whole country. From to Manhattan, Kansas. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to Manhattan, right, Don't go
Speaker 1: to Manhattan Kansas. Yeah. There are times when you go, well,
Speaker 1: when we had Old Miss had a run when they're
Speaker 1: football players, and all of a sudden, you're going Old
Speaker 1: Miss is getting some really good players. Tennessee. Another five
Speaker 1: star recruit Tennessee. It's the blue Chips model. Remember they
Speaker 1: signed three of the top Nations athletes in one day.
Speaker 1: The facts machine is going not one day, spread it
Speaker 1: out and he signed Shack one day, and then Matton
Speaker 1: Nover from Indiana a couple years later. You need a
Speaker 1: tractor and about thirty grand and cash should do it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I wish I was good enough to get something, And
Speaker 1: Nick Nolte, it's like, I can't believe it works this way. Okay,
Speaker 1: when you're a shut up Dan, I'm gonna put you
Speaker 1: back to eighteen years old. Let's say they said you
Speaker 1: could have any car you want. Current car like that
Speaker 1: was out at the time you were eighteen will have
Speaker 1: been the car that made you sign with Blank School
Speaker 1: when you were eighteen, What was the car? It would
Speaker 1: have been a Corvette sting right, and you would have
Speaker 1: gone anywhere, Well, yeah, pretty much. I would have gone, yeah,
Speaker 1: at my Corvette there. Yeah, I think if it was right,
Speaker 1: I don't remember when I was eighteen, but if I
Speaker 1: right now, it would probably be like a Mercedes g Wagon,
Speaker 1: you know, like one of those sort of like suv,
Speaker 1: those boxy SUVs that they got. But there's a strategy
Speaker 1: to this, like all right, because that's a hund No,
Speaker 1: you can't know you can't draw attention to this. I
Speaker 1: don't care. Well, you're you gotta go, jeep wrangler. I'm
Speaker 1: only there for a year anyway. I'm only there for
Speaker 1: a couple of months and then I'm going pro You
Speaker 1: guys figure it out. Do you remember what Reggie Bush
Speaker 1: was drive? He had a Chevy was it a Caprice?
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, that doesn't sound no, no, but
Speaker 1: it was all tricked out. Oh yeah, because I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be like something that soup dog would drive,
Speaker 1: you know, where you can raise it and lower it.
Speaker 1: Because I thought, oh, Chevy Caprice, Well, nobody would notice
Speaker 1: if you got extra money. And then somebody said, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: it's a tricked out Chevy Caprice. Yeah. See, that's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things to do is to follow college
Speaker 1: athletes instagrams and just look at like, hey, look at
Speaker 1: such as such wide receiver sitting on their new accurate Okay, yeah, subtle.
Speaker 1: I still love this story of a wide receiver who
Speaker 1: played at one of the Power five conference schools and
Speaker 1: he even had a vanity license plate had school colors.
Speaker 1: It was bodif boy, it's a Nike on it or
Speaker 1: Adidas or but he would he was so powerful popular.
Speaker 1: He would pull up in front of a restaurant and
Speaker 1: he would keep the car running. It'd be on the
Speaker 1: street and he would keep the car running. He'd go
Speaker 1: in and he would get something to eat, and then
Speaker 1: he would come back out. But it was school colors
Speaker 1: that he got his car like. He wasn't hiding it.
Speaker 1: If you if you wanted to see it, it was there.
Speaker 1: It's like when Eric Dickerson was getting recruited from SMU,
Speaker 1: he had this transam that just screamed booster yeah, Paul
Speaker 1: So Yeah, that Eric Dickerson a seventy nine got a
Speaker 1: brand new gold trans am. He and his mom were
Speaker 1: standing in front of it. The picture makes the doubts
Speaker 1: Morning News. The story is that A and M got
Speaker 1: him to trans am to go to A and M.
Speaker 1: He bowed on them and went to SMU for the
Speaker 1: better deal, but kept the car. Well, yeah, because you
Speaker 1: can't say, hey, hey, we want our car back that
Speaker 1: we gave Eric Dickerson. It's a good move. That's a
Speaker 1: power move by Eric Dickerson. Yeah, they can't say anything, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to the NCAA and we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell him we want our car back that we gave you. Yes, Todd,
Speaker 1: I remember growing up in the neighborhood. This kid, Ricky
Speaker 1: had this electric blue Transam with the eagle on the
Speaker 1: front of the hood and he had like the most
Speaker 1: pretty girl in the whole school, was like his girlfriend
Speaker 1: and just like had it all. And he's cruising around
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and we're all looking at this guy and
Speaker 1: he was kind of a punk and pseudo drop out
Speaker 1: and smoking and not caring about anything, and was just
Speaker 1: totally looking at this guy like how did he get
Speaker 1: this car? And this girl was never forget this kid.
Speaker 1: Was he either an athlete? No, he wasn't. He just
Speaker 1: kind of hung out in the neighborhood and didn't look
Speaker 1: like he didn't. That was kind of the story we
Speaker 1: were on. We were I'm talking at I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the car that, like, you know, I was thinking of
Speaker 1: the car that, like you wanted as a kid. So
Speaker 1: I put a little spin on it. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: like a family member's car. I could have said. I
Speaker 1: could have said he was some all star. Well, no,
Speaker 1: that's what we were on. We were on that you
Speaker 1: would get these cars. He brought back a memory of
Speaker 1: like when you're growing up and like the car that
Speaker 1: you wish you you can tell me this during a commercial.
Speaker 1: I guess quite point, you got it. I got a
Speaker 1: memory here. Hey, you know it reminds me of I
Speaker 1: can't give that audience back the last sixty second. I
Speaker 1: think they really really lost a lot of people a
Speaker 1: last thirty seconds. We'll take a break. More phone calls
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Speaker 1: phone calls in here. I saw where Notre Dame and
Speaker 1: Navy were going to play in Dublin. That's now moved
Speaker 1: to Annapolis. That's a big deal for Annapolis getting Notre
Speaker 1: Dame to come to town. They've played almost one hundred
Speaker 1: times in their history, and they've played in Dublin before,
Speaker 1: but Notre Dame Navy is now going to be in Annapolis.
Speaker 1: That's the first time ever Notre Dame coming to town.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Who will join us in a half
Speaker 1: hour from now. A couple of phone calls here Jason
Speaker 1: and Nebraska. Hi Jason, what's on your mind? Hey? Danny
Speaker 1: and the Dan dum mclovin slashed Pearl brought up the
Speaker 1: top fifteen list, and I just wanted to I have
Speaker 1: no objections on the or no arguments on the top five. However,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to argue, though I guess I do
Speaker 1: have a point to make him. That is Bird, Larry Bird,
Speaker 1: to your point, you know, those top shooters created their
Speaker 1: own shot. He would tell people where he's going to
Speaker 1: shoot the ball, so he should be at least number two.
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to also ask you, or actually
Speaker 1: thank you, because you recommended Pozart and my wife and
Speaker 1: I just finished it. Great series. But Rose is my
Speaker 1: favorite character. I was just curious, who's yours. No, I
Speaker 1: love I love Rose. She was the star. I wrote, Ruthie.
Speaker 1: I should say not Rose, Ruthie. Ruthie was love Ruthie.
Speaker 1: I thought she was the star of the first two seasons.
Speaker 1: I do also like how they empowered the women, that
Speaker 1: the women. It became about the women, you know, Ozark,
Speaker 1: it didn't start out that way. In season one, but
Speaker 1: the last two seasons certainly have let me see Brandon
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Hey, Brandon born a DP. How you doing good, sir,
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are doing well. First time a
Speaker 1: long time, five nine, one sixty five. I just want
Speaker 1: to call in. I got roped into Outer Banks as well, regretfully,
Speaker 1: but I ended up watching the whole thing as well.
Speaker 1: And after the first episode, I looked at my wife,
Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow looks identical to JJ John Bee's best friend. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, well, thank you. I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to go that deep into Outer Banks. Yes, me club,
Speaker 1: now you have a sports tie in. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. Fritzie asked his daughter to give
Speaker 1: me some suggestions since Outer Banks is certainly for teenagers.
Speaker 1: And I watch all ten episodes. What uh? What suggestions?
Speaker 1: Says your daughters. Some are more current than others. But
Speaker 1: these five came up between her and actually some of
Speaker 1: her friends that she was having a zoom chat with
Speaker 1: Degrassi or Degrassi high. Okay, that was one of them.
Speaker 1: The Vampire Diaries. No, I don't do vampires, okay, all American.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that's about. But it's something called
Speaker 1: all American. If the research exactly what that we talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday on the Dampire. Yeah, I don't think that
Speaker 1: that was given good review. Love is Blind so very
Speaker 1: about some dating show where you don't get to see
Speaker 1: them and then proposing to people based on their personality. No,
Speaker 1: I don't do dating. That was a big deal. That
Speaker 1: was Yeah, I know that was a Bachelor like phenomenon. Yes,
Speaker 1: And Riverdale was the other one, which I know we think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's your group based on yeah, like lately, Um, what's
Speaker 1: the uh the one that John McEnroe is the voice of.
Speaker 1: Never have I ever I think, oh, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: know John McEnroe is involved in that. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: he's the narrator. The Grassy High was Drake, right, that's
Speaker 1: where he came from. Am I I think that's a
Speaker 1: show that Drake came I think there's been a couple
Speaker 1: versions of that though I'm not mistaken. There's like the
Speaker 1: one from when another when I was younger, there was
Speaker 1: one that was a big deal. But then I think
Speaker 1: that there's been sort of like updated versions of that. Well,
Speaker 1: tell your daughter, thank you for those subjections. There time.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, I'm done with the team stuff now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me like two or three more months. Every like
Speaker 1: fifteen years you check in on. Yeah, I still haven't
Speaker 1: watched Twilight, Harry Potter. What is some of those other
Speaker 1: what's the one uh with what's her name? And she's
Speaker 1: shooting the arrows? Oh? Hunger games? Hunger games? You do
Speaker 1: Hunger games? Yet I watched a little bit of hunger
Speaker 1: shooting arrows. What's her name and she's shooting the arrows? Yea,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence, Hunger Games. Have you seen Lord of the Rings? No,
Speaker 1: I never saw a Lord of the Rings. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to Wog coming up, Final hour, Dan Patrick show up
Speaker 1: to this