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Speaker 1: Welcome to Friday's and they're a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. We have a very special

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Speaker 1: guest on today's program, former Giants wide receiver of Monti Tumor.

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Speaker 1: We'll be taking your phone calls, will be getting into

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Speaker 1: all the latest with respect to training camp. Two zero

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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number a hashtag Giants Chat

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Monty glad to have your port. How are things?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great until I walked in here. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know we have We should probably discuss that off the

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Speaker 1: top before we get into Giants relevant subjects. The fact

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Speaker 1: that you had an opportunity to review our background here here,

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is a great background. We walk

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Speaker 1: in the room is great. Where's my picture? We have members?

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Speaker 1: You can't find it at all. Members of the production

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Speaker 1: staff are on the wall. We've got members of the

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Speaker 1: production staffs, animals on the correct. Yes, that's probably the

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Speaker 1: top insult of all the mony. You got putters on

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Speaker 1: the wall. Correct punters, Yes, punters that work on this

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Speaker 1: show as it should be. But you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know four five pictures of Jeff Eagles up and

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Speaker 1: not one, not one, not one. Well that's why We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have some serious conversations after the program, Monty to

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Speaker 1: right the ship. But I'm glad you came in here

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Speaker 1: and noticed that, yes, exactly, we gotta right the wrong

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Speaker 1: too considering these developments. But it is glad to have

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Speaker 1: you in the mix here on Big Blue Kick Off Live.

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Speaker 1: So I know you were out of practice today. What

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Speaker 1: were some of your impressions from what you saw just

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Speaker 1: from a structure standpoint or some of the players. It

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Speaker 1: really seemed a lot different from last season. And yes,

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Speaker 1: it's audibly like I walked on the practice and you know,

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Speaker 1: they had the music playing the warm ups, which is

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Speaker 1: you know, for the fans out there, But then once

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Speaker 1: it started, it was football. It was football all the way.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of, you know, what I expect to

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Speaker 1: come to trending camp. You want to see coaches coaching.

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Speaker 1: You want to see players playing hard and receiving the coaching.

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Speaker 1: And I don't see how they did it last year

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Speaker 1: when the music was going on and you couldn't hear

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Speaker 1: yourself think. You know, you have to make changes in

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Speaker 1: the moment, you know, to get the you know, the

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Speaker 1: entire defense or entire offense or entire scheme together in

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Speaker 1: the moment, you gotta make little tweaks. And if you

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Speaker 1: can't do that until in coaching off the film, I

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Speaker 1: think you missed that opportunity of on the field um

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Speaker 1: action where you're putting things together. Now one of the

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Speaker 1: interesting things. And this is something that I actually wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you because I know you could provide some insight.

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer and Tight Tilbert, the wide receivers coach, have

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Speaker 1: said a big emphasis this season is they're making sure

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers are moved around and everybody is learning

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Speaker 1: every position. They're not saying, hey, o Dell, we're only

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Speaker 1: gonna play on the outside or Sternling, you're only gonna

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Speaker 1: play in the slot. What has been your experience with

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Speaker 1: respect to camps. Did they usually move wide receivers around

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Speaker 1: from your experience with the Giants or did you normally

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Speaker 1: focus on just one spot in particular? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: the good teams that were on you, you you learned one spot,

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Speaker 1: but you were made aware of everything going on, so

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Speaker 1: you would understand every position. You wouldn't run every route

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Speaker 1: that way. But if it came down to a crunch

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Speaker 1: to them. They'd be like, Okay, you're number three in

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Speaker 1: this progression, we want you to line up here and

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Speaker 1: and we want you run up here and you'll be

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Speaker 1: able to to understand the general concept of what goes on.

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Speaker 1: I think it's even better take it to another level

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Speaker 1: that you're actually running the routes and getting that experience well.

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Speaker 1: And that's why they're looking at that versatility, at something

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Speaker 1: that could give the Giants offense a big benefit come

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Speaker 1: the regular season in case somebody goes down with an injury. Well,

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Speaker 1: and also versatility meaning you're that much harder to game

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Speaker 1: plan for because if you're always in a certain spot,

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Speaker 1: if you always run up to the left or always

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Speaker 1: they don't even have to look at after the huddle.

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Speaker 1: They want the huddle breaks. They washed the tight end.

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Speaker 1: They know exactly where you're going so now and you

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Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to sit there. It's gonna take

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Speaker 1: where is Odell, Where is Shepherd, where you know, where

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Speaker 1: the offense in terms of being predictable to your point exactly,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a very good point, because you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you know, I think you know, some teams would

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Speaker 1: usually the weak side, meaning the opposite side of the

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Speaker 1: you know some teams run towards the weeks side. Some

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Speaker 1: teams run towards the strong side, So when they saw

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Speaker 1: the receiver go out, they would check their defensive scheme

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Speaker 1: to to to slant to that side or to make

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Speaker 1: sure that they had that their running game covered more

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Speaker 1: you do gives the defense a tell on how on

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Speaker 1: where you're gonna actually go, and it's gonna makes it

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Speaker 1: that much easier for them to do their jobs well.

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Speaker 1: And related to that, Amani, but we've seen it practice.

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Speaker 1: I think at the start is Sae Kwon Barkley. They're

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Speaker 1: he was lining up on the outside. They oliviate vernon

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Speaker 1: defending him out in coverage. So the more you move

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Speaker 1: So I think that adds an extra layer to the

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Speaker 1: offense as well. Yeah, and unpredictability is the offenses friend.

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing that we that offensive players have

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Speaker 1: don't have to play every single part of the zone

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Speaker 1: so they just defend those spots. So that's why obviously

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Speaker 1: they move in a lot of personnel around during camp.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get everybody to understand the concepts, the

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Speaker 1: core principles of this offense. You've worked with a variety

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Speaker 1: Just the terminology, I mean, that's usually what it is,

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Speaker 1: different adjustments on the fly. So the jargon in the

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Speaker 1: but you pretty much know what's gonna what you're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's things that are a little bit different. But

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Speaker 1: to to to be able to play at a high level,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, you have to be able to not

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Speaker 1: be able to react. And if you can't react and

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Speaker 1: if it's not a knee jerk reaction to different things

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Speaker 1: that happen different, blitz is different, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: the game. If you're thinking about what you have to do,

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Speaker 1: That's a big part of just running out on the route,

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Speaker 1: And that's why they want everybody tas I mentioned, digest

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Speaker 1: this offense. Now, there's a lot of depth at wide

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Speaker 1: receiver Romani. We could talk about the usual suspects, so

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Speaker 1: Dell Beckham, Sterling Shepherd. But I think what's interesting to

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Speaker 1: are on the back end, you know this better than anybody.

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Speaker 1: If you don't play special teams, you're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: very difficult time to make this roster. How critical is

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Speaker 1: still right right out of the print. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: ceremoniously we should have you officially put it on the background.

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Speaker 1: And my recommendation would be to cover up certain individuals.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, but but I'm gonna let you choose

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Speaker 1: somebody is overrepresented. I know he's a part of the show, yes,

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Speaker 1: He's you know, he's one of the putterers that I

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Speaker 1: He single handedly made because our offense wasn't good enough

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Speaker 1: make a complete drive. But I'll just cover help change

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Speaker 1: this one, the generic one, the generic still photo of

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Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles in action. I'm gonna put it right there.

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Speaker 1: We'll give you some assistance. Here we go. I love you, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: But so there it is. You know, I'm Amani Toomer

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Speaker 1: officially on the wall. Here there you go, right above

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Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles. Perfect, am I in the picture? Let me see? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Good good? Absolutely for shows moving forward, you will now

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Speaker 1: be well represented. Whether you have the mic on or not.

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Speaker 1: You're in the house. Two zero, one four or five

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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number hashtag Giants Chat. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna open up the phone lines. You want to delve

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Speaker 1: into various topics regarding training camp as well as way

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Speaker 1: Let's get the festivity started. Jim is in Toledo. Jim

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Speaker 1: gets us going. Jim, Welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: How's everything, Hey, how's it going guys? For us? I

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Speaker 1: just saying a little bit not. You know, he's not

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Speaker 1: as familiar with the system, so he's thinking, he's not

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Speaker 1: just going out there and react quickness. Is that where

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Speaker 1: it would be in the regular cheese So I could

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Speaker 1: see maybe that, you know, you're using a seat usually

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Speaker 1: seeing him as quick as he was in the past,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's a little bit slower in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: not not An doesn't understand the system, but the system

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Speaker 1: hasn't He hasn't internalized the system yet possibly I didn't

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Speaker 1: see it today, but possibly. Well, like you said, he's

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Speaker 1: worked in a variety of systems, and when you're in

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Speaker 1: it for three or four years, by the time the

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Speaker 1: fifth year rolls along, I mean, it's just like the

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Speaker 1: back of your hand. Yeah. Now, even though like you said,

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Speaker 1: the concepts are similar, but the terminology is different. Everybody

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Speaker 1: else feeds off of Eli Manning what he says at

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Speaker 1: the huddle. Yeah, And and they teach everything differently, right,

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Speaker 1: So like you could, you know, have one thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, have a one scheme one way, and then

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Speaker 1: they teach just a little bit different and that little

447
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Speaker 1: difference is what makes uh, it makes a big difference

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Speaker 1: when it comes to playing super Bowl level football. More

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Speaker 1: of the reason why you want those additional reps during

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Speaker 1: the preseason, to your point of Manti, so come the

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Speaker 1: regular season it becomes natural before we get back to the

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Speaker 1: the lines. I just want to piggyback off of the

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Speaker 1: Kohler's point with Olivier Vernon, and I would agree with

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Speaker 1: what he said. Vernon's look extremely impressive so far this preseason.

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Speaker 1: I think part of it, Amani is he's healthy this year.

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Speaker 1: Remember he's dealt with the wrist, injuries and so forth

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Speaker 1: in his past. I think he's been healthy since he's

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Speaker 1: got here. I mean that could very well be a fact.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that's fair ankle a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, and then now in the wrist, just like

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Speaker 1: you said, Yeah, I don't think he's absolutely hit his

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Speaker 1: his ceiling. And I think the three four, I mean,

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Speaker 1: is gonna suit him better because I think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to, you know, show more athleticism. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair point and something to watch it.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that people forget Amani when he

467
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Speaker 1: was with the Dolphins, they put him in coverage. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting his first taste of dropping back in

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Speaker 1: coverage with the Giants. He was thrown in the fire

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Speaker 1: like that with the Miami Dolphins. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's necessarily uncharted territory for him, even if they drop

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Speaker 1: him back a little bit this So, I think the

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Speaker 1: three four is what he was used to he came

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Speaker 1: in the league, is that, and now he's back to

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Speaker 1: something that's a little bit more comfortable. Uh, the four three,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's stout enough to go down

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Speaker 1: and be a four three, Uh, you know, and but

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Speaker 1: I think he's more at that oil B B U

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker position. I think he's much more comfortable, which

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Speaker 1: is why I brought up Chandler Jones, because Jones with

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Speaker 1: the Patriots was in a different defense and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden he had to adapt with James Betcher.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of parallels between both of those players.

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Speaker 1: The Cohler was referencing twelve sacks, he ow's only had

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Speaker 1: one season a body where he's had double digit sacks.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's going to be very interesting. What's a

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Speaker 1: good boil boiled point mark for Olivier Vernon in terms

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Speaker 1: of what realistically he could get. Eleven and a half

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Speaker 1: is his career high and Cole are obviously very optimistic

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Speaker 1: that twelve could be even the floor. So he's gonna

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Speaker 1: break his He would have to have a career year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: definitely have to have. That's saying it's impossible. I think

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Speaker 1: that the fact that he's gonna be not only gonna

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Speaker 1: be the man he there's no one but no other.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be the main pass rusher this year, and

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Speaker 1: he's got the most experience, he's got the most experienced

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Speaker 1: the main pass rusher, and he's back to the three four.

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Speaker 1: So I think that that all looks up for Olivia Vernon,

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Speaker 1: and I think, uh, you know, I think I think

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Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to go back and and I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna break his his his record. But by

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Speaker 1: how much is the question? Well, listen, if they could

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Speaker 1: get double digit sacks out of Olivier Vernon, I would

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Speaker 1: say that's mission accomplished. If I'm the Giants, If you

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Speaker 1: get double digits out of him, If Connor Barwin, who

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Speaker 1: was just brought in, looked really good and he's had

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Speaker 1: at least five sacks at six of the last seven season,

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Speaker 1: if you could get his typical production is average, maybe

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Speaker 1: five or six out of him, and Vernon gets double digits,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's something to work with for the other

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Speaker 1: players build around. And you know what the one thing

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Speaker 1: I learned as the pass rush makes everybody in the

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Speaker 1: defense better. You know, then you've got quarterbacks not feeling

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Speaker 1: comfortable throwing the ball up, and you know, in allowing

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Speaker 1: the defenders to turn the turn, they turn the ball

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Speaker 1: over and create uh, you know, real opportunities for that

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Speaker 1: offense from on short fields. Lance metto Monti Tumor with

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Speaker 1: here on Friday's na should Big Blue kickoff live? Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. We're fielding your phone calls

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Speaker 1: at two zero one nine three, nine four or five

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Speaker 1: one three will also get to some of your tweets

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Speaker 1: hashtag giants Chat. Let's head back to the line. Scott

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Speaker 1: is in New Mexico. Scott, what's happening? Afternoon? Guys, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Scott, what's happening? I had a question

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Speaker 1: and uh, regards to the backup wide receivers, So I

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Speaker 1: think both of you have expertise in this area. I'm

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Speaker 1: very much in favor of one of the backup wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to know how it actually works. Say,

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Speaker 1: I know we have Lewis and uh Cody Latimer. We

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Speaker 1: also have the one that i've uh seen on film

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Speaker 1: and looks really good at it's calif Raymond. And I

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Speaker 1: know Lance you've mentioned him before. But say that he

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Speaker 1: gets into a game, and I'm not picking him above

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Speaker 1: any other receiver, but say he gets into the game

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Speaker 1: in Detroit and he gets wide open and he drops

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Speaker 1: the ball. And most of the backup white receivers are

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Speaker 1: going to get maybe one or two touches. So how

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Speaker 1: does the evaluation process really work? Do coaches really value

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Speaker 1: more what happens in training camp or do they take

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Speaker 1: everything into consideration or is it a process uh in

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Speaker 1: regards to what they look like on film? So I

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Speaker 1: was just curious from your prospective Romani and from the

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Speaker 1: ulans how they actually judge a player. And as I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of calif. I think he has

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Speaker 1: the expertise. But say he goes to the game, as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, drops the ball. Uh, does he go back

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Speaker 1: to the line, so to speak, and another receiver gets

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Speaker 1: in front of him, or what actually transpires. I think

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Speaker 1: it's bigger than just the game. I think gets how

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Speaker 1: how professional is he? How um how well is he

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Speaker 1: learning the offense? Does he make a lot of mental mistakes?

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Speaker 1: And if you do, if you do all of that

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Speaker 1: and you drop a ball in the game, they're just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he just had a bad game. You catch the balls

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Speaker 1: in practice? Was that epiphany for you to drop the

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Speaker 1: balls or was that a trend of that's what's what's

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Speaker 1: going on. So I don't know if the games are

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Speaker 1: as important um as practice. In some circumstances. If all

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Speaker 1: the other boxes are checked. Now, if he's dropping the

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Speaker 1: ball in the practice and he drops the ball in

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Speaker 1: the game, they're like, oh, well, why do we put

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Speaker 1: him in there in the first place. But if he's

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Speaker 1: catching everything and then goes in the game and drops it,

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Speaker 1: they're probably think, you know what, that probably was a

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Speaker 1: bad game for him. We're gonna give him another shot.

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Speaker 1: But if he keeps dropping him, you know, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: much you could do. So I I just I just

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Speaker 1: don't know, particularly in in every situation it's the same.

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Speaker 1: It's sometimes there's nuance to everything in terms of how

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Speaker 1: you evaluate players, and you know, you gotta account for

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Speaker 1: just having a bad day. No, I think that's a

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Speaker 1: very a point of money. Well, we'll let you continue, Scott.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I would add him money is also

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Speaker 1: the reverse. If a guy doesn't have great practice habits

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden things click and register

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Speaker 1: in a game. I wonder what that then does to

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Well, maybe this guy is a guy

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Speaker 1: that gets up for games, but he just doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: show as much consistency and practice, and do they lean

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Speaker 1: on Hey, we wanted to translate more to the games

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Speaker 1: than necessarily what we're seeing in practice, so that that's

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Speaker 1: got to be something that they have to weigh as well.

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Speaker 1: And that's coaches comfort Like, yeah, sometimes coaches will put

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Speaker 1: a player out there that they feel more comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of there's not many players in the

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Speaker 1: league that can better gamers. Most of them are guys

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Speaker 1: that show and are consistent through practice and and and

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Speaker 1: throughout their their entire the season, meeting rooms, everything, everything

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Speaker 1: has to be consistent because there's too much riding on

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Speaker 1: too get of course, guy like oh, well, he's he's

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Speaker 1: little catch in the game. He'll be all right, he'll

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Speaker 1: be able to do in the game. That usually doesn't

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Speaker 1: like coaches sleep too at night, too much and keep

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Speaker 1: it figures he'll bring it today. We'll be yeah, that

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Speaker 1: usually doesn't. Usually you don't last like that. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you that. Well, I have just two questions and I

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Speaker 1: can take it both off the air. First question is

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Speaker 1: will the Giants average points the game in either of

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Speaker 1: your opinion that's a quite still about four points. And

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Speaker 1: then I will sequon Barkley obtain or purpose yards this year.

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Speaker 1: That's obviously receptions, rushing and tick and or punt returns

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Speaker 1: and thanks guys. Thanks, I appreciate the phone call. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got it. I don't see him doing too much

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Speaker 1: returning because I don't think they're the Giants drafted him

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Speaker 1: just to have a good rookie season and more. The

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Speaker 1: more you you do, of course, is the better and

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Speaker 1: the more you stay around. But I feel like they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna just throw them out there and shorten a

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Speaker 1: career of running that that could be actually very special.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of the debate of what goes on with

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham because the Steelers, with the way they use

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, Amani, Mike Tomlin, he doesn't hesitate. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put my best guy out there. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: return punts, and I'm not even gonna worry about it

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Speaker 1: because listen, injuries are a part of the game and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna happen no matter what you put that player

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Speaker 1: in that position with. So, you know, it's a fine

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Speaker 1: line that I think you have to dance. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you brought a bit interesting point. With the lifespan of

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Speaker 1: running backs in this league, I think the less hits

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Speaker 1: that you can expose that position to probably the better

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Speaker 1: off in the long term, to make sure that the

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Speaker 1: player sees a second contract. I mean, you see Ezekiel

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Speaker 1: Elliott early on, they tried to slow him down. Obviously

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Speaker 1: was so good and hopefully say Kuan will be in

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Speaker 1: as good as Ezekiel Ezekiel Elliott, but they tried to

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Speaker 1: slow him down. They try to, you know, pace him

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Speaker 1: through his rookie season, because a lot of rookies, you

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Speaker 1: gotta understand, they've been going since their bowl game, to

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Speaker 1: the extra curricular bowl games, you know, the Senior Bowl whatever.

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Speaker 1: Then they're going to the mini camps that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to learn how to uh, you know, get ready for

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Speaker 1: the combines, and they go to combines, and they go

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Speaker 1: to rookie Minian. They've been on it for a long time,

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Speaker 1: so there's no surprise where these rookies get hurt. So

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Speaker 1: I think they try to mitigate that, you know, stretch

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Speaker 1: his career, maybe not get him the carries that he's

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Speaker 1: probably should get. Kwan should get towards until the middle

639
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: or the end of the year. Well and hundred total yards,

640
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: even if you knew he wasn't returning the football, or

641
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: even if he was getting a few I think that's

642
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: an awful lot to be getting, you know, I mean,

643
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: two thousand is is two thousand yards all purpose yards?

644
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Is a great season season is? I mean, that's the

645
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: icing on the cake. I mean, get that. I mean

646
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: that's Remember Tiki got three thousand. I thought he was

647
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: getting the ball all the time. So it's it's, it's

648
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: it's that's a very lofty number. And I wouldn't want

649
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: to put that even even though se Kwan is very promising,

650
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: I would want to put that on him. So just yet,

651
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: even though he's a second pickover, Yeah, I agree with you.

652
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think reasonable expectations of MANI if he

653
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: could get to a thousand yards rushing, I think if

654
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: you're the Giants, you're content with that, knowing you have

655
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: a few other backs. And I'm gonna be very interested

656
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: in how much of a workload he gets as a receiver,

657
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: because I've brought this up on this show. If you

658
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: look at some of the rookies from last year, in

659
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: Manti alvid Camara of the Saints Christian McCaffrey the Panthers,

660
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: two good comparisons, but those two players had over eighty receptions.

661
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: That's a lot of opportunities. There's a lot more talent

662
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: I see around sat quant Barkley compared to what New

663
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: Orleans and Carolina we're working with. Yeah, I think Alvin

664
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: Camara would be a very good case study because you

665
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: look at him and as the year when he first started,

666
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: he didn't you know, it wasn't Gangbusters from right away,

667
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: and he really they they I think what what the

668
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: Saints did is they got him in the league and

669
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of made it a real easy transition for him,

670
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: and then he really took off towards the end of

671
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: the year. And I think that's kind of the way

672
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: that rookies, you know, seamlessly, if any way, you can

673
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: come into the NFL and be productive right off off

674
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: the bag of your rookie year. And I think that's

675
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: that's the model that I would more try to focus

676
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: on than than than any other one, because I can't

677
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: just throw a guy out there and see what he

678
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: could do build them up. And they also had mark Ingram,

679
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: which was a nice luxury to have to balance it out,

680
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: whereas the Giants do have John to Stewart. As a

681
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: fair comparison, advice, still think they want Barkley day one

682
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: to you know, at least start getting about fifteen so

683
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: carries a game. Yeah, I mean, I think that would

684
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: be good. But I mean I don't want him to

685
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: get twenty five carries a game or thirty carries a

686
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: game like back in the day. I mean that that

687
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: would just shorten his career. I think he you know,

688
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: it's it's so promising. I you know, loved watch him

689
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: out there today, and I just I just want to

690
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: see him for a while. I want to see him

691
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: in his career last. I want to see how good

692
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: he can really be. And I think he'll be more productive,

693
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, once you get you know, pass the thirteen games,

694
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: you know which you play in college. That rookie wall

695
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: hit that rookie wall now, you know, stretch that out

696
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. I want to see him have a complete,

697
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: full rookie year where he can be competing for the

698
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. Is twenty touches a fair number

699
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: in your opinion? Or is that even too hig meeting.

700
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: Let's say you give him fifteen carries, you give him

701
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: about five opportunities in the passing game. I think I think, uh,

702
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I think maybe twelve carries. Okay, for the first you

703
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: knows eight game, you know, maybeout halfway through the season,

704
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: maybe give him three to four out the opportunities out

705
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: of the backfield, you know, and uh as as he

706
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: shows that he can master this stuff, and as he

707
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: shows he can, uh, you know, adjust to the NFL game,

708
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: then you kind of start adding more and more, I think,

709
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: because if you put him in there too early, I

710
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: think that Uh, I'm not saying he's a bad player.

711
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if you want him to be

712
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: around for a long time, you kind of ease him

713
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: in because I think that, you know, you've got to

714
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: make sure that I think getting Jonathan Stewart is a

715
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: great idea. You know, have somebody who's who's gonna be

716
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: able to take a lot of the carries because it's

717
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: too hard nowadays to have a one care at one possible.

718
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: It's not a one back league anymore. You have to

719
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: have two, maybe even three guys and maybe a guy

720
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: for third downs and whatnot. But I think sae Quan

721
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: is a guy that I'm I'm really excited to see

722
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: how well he's gonna play in this year. And to

723
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: your point, Jonathan Stewart comes from a background where he

724
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: split carries with D'Angelo, Williams and Carolina. So for him,

725
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: it's nothing new. He's used to being that complimentary back.

726
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: Whether they want him to get ted carries they give

727
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: him seven, I think he'll go with the flow, and

728
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: obviously it's a nice presence in the locker room to

729
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: have a veteran like that. I think veteran presence on

730
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: this team is a lot better than there than in

731
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: years past. I mean there's five year guys, there's guys

732
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: who've been in league seven years, and last year, I mean,

733
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, the last couple of years, you know, it

734
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: was a very young team that didn't seem to have

735
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: the leadership as they have this year. Before we head

736
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: back to the lines, I know one of the other

737
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: questions was twenty five points per game, So the Giants offense,

738
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: and you know last year they were in the teens,

739
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: they were hovering around that, mainly because of all the

740
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: personnel they lost. I think twenty five is realistic. And

741
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: I think if you're the Giants and and you're Pat Sherman,

742
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: and you look at what he's done with previous offenses

743
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: and the players they're gonna have on the field, I

744
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: don't think is stretched at all. I think if you're

745
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: not scoring twenty eight, you're not really gonna be competitive

746
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: in this league. So you know is I don't think

747
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: it's extraordinary, and I think that twenty five is absolutely doable.

748
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: And if this team is going to be competitive, they're

749
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna absolutely have to do out even say they have

750
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: to do closer to closer. Yeah. I mean if you

751
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: even look back in and I'll look up the numbers

752
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: in terms of the top scoring offenses, the Rams were

753
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: right up there last year. Yeah, I mean, blinkt and

754
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: I they put up thirty Yeah, without any hesitation. I

755
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: mean the league is still wide up open. Now. You

756
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: can't be scoring twenty five and expecting to win. I

757
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: don't care what kind of defense you have, because eventually

758
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: you will get worn down because if you're not scoring

759
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: and you're not driving the ball, that time, the time

760
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: on the clock is really gonna be in the not

761
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: gonna be in the favor of their defensive players, yeah,

762
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: because you put a lot more stress on them, and

763
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: like you said, time of possession does not favor them

764
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: as well. All right, let's head back to the phone lines.

765
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: Dan is in the Pocono's Dan what's happening, Hey, Salas,

766
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: is a real pleasure to talk to you, Lancemanians both,

767
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: thanks so much for calling it. What he got for

768
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: his dance, Well not too much for your Lance, but

769
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to just sit and take the hold,

770
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: and so romped to finally, you know, finally we're gonna

771
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: finally get some answers. You know the line. Don't mean

772
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: in the first preseason game, but you know, to all

773
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: these questions we got going for so long, you know,

774
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: how many carries, how many yards? Blah blah blah. You know,

775
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm just so sight that was finally here, and I

776
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: just wanted to mention. I don't know, it must have

777
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: been about five years ago the money you were in.

778
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: You were in the parking lot outside of Giants Stadium

779
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: and you were signing autographs and take pictures with people

780
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: for free, which was awesome. And I think it was

781
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: about five years ago, I don't know, and it was

782
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: so great because it was funny. I called a guy

783
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: called up earlier and said, you know, asked you about

784
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: your favorite catch. And when I walked up to you

785
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: to get a picture and get my get your autograph,

786
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I said to you, I said the money. When I

787
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: look at you, I just think you you're catching that

788
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: in that first playoff game against Dallas, catching that that

789
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: that little white out and then you turned it on

790
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: to right down the sideline and you ran the all

791
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: the way down for a touchdown and you put a

792
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: big smile on your face and you said, yeah, that

793
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: was great, Like you was great. Oh man, just reminiscent

794
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, but yeah. But like other caller said,

795
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: thanks so much for all your is with the Giants,

796
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: and uh, we really appreciate it. And it's great talking

797
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, it was fun, a great times, great organizam.

798
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I got sold. So the next

799
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: guy absolutely well appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much

800
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: for weighing in. Huge turning point did in that Cowboys game. Yeah, no,

801
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: that was That was a great day. And the best

802
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: part about that day was after the game when we

803
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: went locker room and no, I was I was watching

804
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: TV and I was watching the interviews afterwards, and that's

805
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: what Terrell Owens was, that's about quarterback and yeah, this

806
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: dark sunglasses on the stream of tears down his eyes.

807
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Oh that was I mean Tarrell Owens. I love the guy.

808
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: But man, that was the best feeling afterwards, knowing we

809
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: beat them and ruined their career down and ruined their

810
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: their their number one seed status. Yes, yeah, we're very

811
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: impressive that season. How long before the game or after

812
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: the game, did you know that Jerry Jones gave everybody

813
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: we knew in warmups? So what was it? Tom Coughlin

814
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: made that very clear to everybody, very clear in warmups.

815
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: We came back in and they're like to the NFC

816
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: championship games and then put them out in front of

817
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: the lockers. Yeah, because I remember that was a huge

818
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: storyline connected to that game. No, I mean we we

819
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: were because they had beat us twice already that year

820
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: and we were like, man, they're not gonna be just

821
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: three times and then you know it was it was not.

822
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean I remember every one of those games. We

823
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: were underdogs in that playoff run. Even in Tampa Bay

824
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: we were underdogs, which I couldn't understand, but it was,

825
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: it was. It was great. It was a great run. Yeah,

826
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: well that's why they played the games. I always say this.

827
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, everybody wants to give me the gambling aspect

828
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: of this and that they got to play the game

829
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: don't matter whose favorite of paper, they gotta play the game.

830
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: How you being on the inside of the NFL for

831
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: so long, I don't know how you gamble on this

832
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: stuff Like I, I don't know how you do it.

833
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that could sell you left

834
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: hairs on their head as to the stress that the result. Indeed,

835
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: all right, let's head back to the phone lines. Len

836
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Is in Columbia, erily lead, Welcome a board. What do

837
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: you got hey, guys, how you doing good? Good? Good? Listen?

838
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: Uh money, Uh? Thanks for all your great plays? Who

839
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: are you? Are? A great giant? Really appreciate it, really

840
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: appreciate your play. Um. I just want to tell you

841
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: I was in the end zone in that Denver game

842
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: when you jumped up and let that pass from Graham.

843
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: I just I just want to let you know if

844
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: you hadn't quote it, I would if I was right. Hey, listen,

845
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: my fondest, my, my fondest remembrance though. Uh, the weekend

846
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: after Plexico's accident, you played the Redskins. I was in

847
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: the stands that day. If we ever needed to pick

848
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: me up, it was it was that day we needed

849
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: somebody to pick us up. And you did a great game.

850
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: Great game money really too, really terrific. Um, we don't

851
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: want to ask you about a player. Um, I got

852
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: my eye on a wide receiver. I think the weakness

853
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: is going to turn out to be You both alluded

854
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: to this at the beginning of the show. I don't

855
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't know about his special teams play. Marquis Bundy,

856
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: big guy six four. I think we need a bigger

857
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: receiver of money. I mean, you know, I mean, you know,

858
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing with Beckham. I mean he's the greatest,

859
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: and and Shepherd, but you know we could we could

860
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: use a toilet guy like you. Um, what do you

861
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: what do you? What do you think I think Bundy

862
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: comes into I think Bundy is about six four. Yeah, no,

863
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: I saw him today. Um he was you know, he

864
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: was a guy that uh, you know, there's a there's

865
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: a you can't look at Odell, Beckham and oh and

866
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Shepherd and look at Bundy and be impressed. Because he's

867
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: such a long strider. Everything is gonna look a little

868
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: bit slower. But I just think that, you know, you

869
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: gotta find a way to tighten up technique a little bit. Okay,

870
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: that's one of the things and I liked what what

871
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: I saw today in practice. But you know, you can

872
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: just tell you can tell a lot about a receiver

873
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: by watching them in in uh just routes versus their

874
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: just to kind of if they pay attention to the details,

875
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: their routes are gonna be crisp. You know that, you

876
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: could tell they run the routes a lot. You just

877
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: look at their body and see how comfortable they are.

878
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: And some of them, I didn't know how comfortable he was.

879
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: It seemed like you were a little foreign to him.

880
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's a learning curve or

881
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's whatever. But that's just my

882
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: impression of what I saw today. But you know, I

883
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: saw him make a couple of good places today. I

884
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: think he made had a good catch this afternoon. So

885
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, he's gotten a couple of

886
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: shoutouts from John in his writings on the website. Um,

887
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and I remember him from last year. Yeah, I think

888
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: you spent the whole season on the practice squad. I

889
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: finally got a shot maybe the last two games of

890
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: the season. Didn't play much. But you know, like you

891
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: guys talked about if you if you're gonna be three

892
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: or four five on the wide receiver group. I mean,

893
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to be able to do something

894
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: on special teams, either returns or you know, rundown, make

895
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: a tackle or something along those lines. He's big enough

896
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: to be able to do all that. I mean, he's

897
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: a perfect special teams bought a big, fast guy who's

898
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, over two hundred ten pounds. He can do it.

899
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: He could absolutely do it. He just it's just a

900
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: matter of the want to or if he's done. Some

901
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: guys have never played special teams before, and I'm just

902
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: gonna going to see what we're kind of, uh, you

903
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: know what kind of a player he's gonna be. Yeah,

904
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: before you before you go on on that question, I'm sorry, No,

905
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna say before you go on that question,

906
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: I just wanted to add to what you said. Bundy.

907
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: He came into camp very late last year. He actually

908
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: looking up. He signed August twenty three. So the advantage

909
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: of this year is, like you said, he was on

910
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: the practice squad for the majority of last year, but

911
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be here for the entirety of camp

912
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: where he wasn't here last year. So We'll see whether

913
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: or not that makes a difference as well. But go

914
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: ahead with your right next question, like okay, um, yeah,

915
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: I had to, Well I wanted a money's impression. What

916
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: do you what do you what do you think of

917
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: this group? Not not the wide receivers, what do you

918
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: what do you think of this seam of money? I mean,

919
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: my impression is this is a team that you know,

920
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: they were embarrassed last year. Yeah, they were an embarrassed.

921
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: They had the worst than the Giants, the Giants have

922
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: ever had, So there's a lot of you know, you

923
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about this team being overconfident like

924
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: they were the year before when they were coming off

925
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: their playoffs. So oftentimes I've figured that the teams that

926
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: you know have that one too, and that have tasted

927
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: the embarrassment that they've had usually come back stronger. Uh. So,

928
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, they seem a lot more professional, They seem

929
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: like they uh it just seems like a much more

930
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: football uh that that I'm used to seeing. You know.

931
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean the music at the beginning, that's great, but

932
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: then when it comes down to practice, it's you know,

933
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: it's periods moving. Everybody's moving, everybody's Uh, you know, coaches

934
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: are coaching and it's it's just it's like a real

935
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: normal football to me because last year that's not what

936
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I saw. Yeah. Yeah, hey, hey, thanks guys. I appreciate it.

937
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: Thanks again. Hey, thanks a lot. Appreciate the pall and

938
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Wayne. And when you were talking about

939
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Bundy Amany, you mentioned about the route running the christness.

940
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: What's interesting When Tyke Tilbert spoke to the media, the

941
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver's coach, he mentioned, you know, everybody looks at

942
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: the guy who gets the past throat team, but we're

943
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: watching the players on the opposite side and how they're

944
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: running rounds and whether they're getting open. That's just as

945
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: important in terms of the analysis and the evaluation. Yeah,

946
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: because you don't know if the ball is coming to you, right,

947
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: so you know, all you can do as a wide

948
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: receiver is nowhere to line up and know your route

949
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: adjustment and execute your route. If the ball comes to you,

950
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: that's that's up. That's you know, that's out of your control.

951
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: The only thing you can control is what you do.

952
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: And if you're putting out something on film, even if

953
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: you're not catching the ball, that isn't um. That's the

954
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: ball's not thrown you, that it's not commensured or what

955
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: they think and receive or at the pro level should be.

956
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: And that's all they have to evaluate of you on

957
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna You're not gonna be round too well.

958
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: I just wonder from a player's perspective of money, how

959
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: challenging that is, because I'm sure if you're a young player, especially,

960
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: you're thinking, if I'm not getting the ball, I'm not

961
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: flashing enough on film. True, and and you you won't,

962
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: but that's you. I'll tell you. One way you won't

963
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: flash on film is if you don't run your routes

964
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: hard and then they throw you the ball, and then

965
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: you get covered, and then you're well, but I didn't

966
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: know I didn't get the ball. That that was because

967
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: you aren't paying attention to exactly. So you gotta make

968
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: it a habit of just running your routes as hard

969
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: as you can and making a habit of of of

970
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: being professional. If the ball comes to you perfect, you'll

971
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: be able to flash. But if the ball doesn't come

972
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: to you, you'll still you can still in the back

973
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: of your mind saying well, I ran my route white,

974
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: you know I ran my route well, and if it doesn't,

975
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, and you don't have control over that's one

976
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: bad thing about being a receiver. You just don't know.

977
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: You could be running. You can have the best you

978
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: can run the best routes the entire game game and

979
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: the only route you slack off of either route. They

980
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: throw you the ball and you get the one drop

981
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: and then they played a horrible games that you were

982
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: winning all your other battles, or you could catch like

983
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: nine balls and then at the end of the game

984
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna throw you the ball and you dropping your

985
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: the goat. You know what I mean? This is this

986
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: is how it works. A good point. It's the ebbs

987
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: and flows of a football game. It's like baseball. You

988
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: could be four for four the yeah, or you don't

989
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: swing and you go down looking. It doesn't matter what

990
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: you did before. Correct short memory. Let's head back to

991
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Pete is on standin island. Pete, what's happening?

992
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: You get after you, guys, it's a pleasure to talk

993
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: to you any It really is one of my favorite

994
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: all time. John. It's no question about thank you. Um

995
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: My question is and you were just talking about running

996
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: and and I have an interesting question for you. You

997
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: played with a number of different quarterbacks, and I was wondering.

998
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: You know, during the cult of the game, you're saying

999
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: to yourself, Okay, you know Terry throws the ball you

1000
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: know this way, and Eatli kills it this way, and

1001
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: Graham fills it this way. I have to increase my speed.

1002
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I had to sloil it that a little bit because

1003
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: the ball might be coming a little uh, the ball

1004
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: might be coming a little um harder or slower, things

1005
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: of that nature. And then I have another question, Um,

1006
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: did that happen with you? No? No, I run to

1007
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: my routes exact same way all the time. I never

1008
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: wanted to get into bad habit or running slow routes

1009
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and the quarterback had to catch up with me or

1010
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: I had to catch up with him. I ran my

1011
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: routes the same way. It's too hard to get the

1012
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: timing together when you're running fast one time slow another time.

1013
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: It's all about time, and you gotta make you gotta

1014
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: be consistent so the quarterback can adjust to you instead

1015
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: of you adjusting to him. Okay, great answer. And the

1016
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: second question you were talking about, Um, your catches against

1017
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: Dallas and everything else, and I was watching actually, on

1018
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: one of them, I saw you. I watched some uh

1019
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: taps of you. Um ten it's a ten of Amani

1020
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: toms best catches, and I was watching it. I wanted

1021
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: to ask you, you know, forget about best catches, what

1022
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: do you think is your most important catch for your

1023
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: legacy as a Giant. What what would you feel as

1024
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: the most you know what, this is my this is

1025
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: my trademark catch. This is the one that's gonna this

1026
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: is gonna be my legacy, this catch. Oh well, they're

1027
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: really going into the archives with you today any honestly,

1028
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: Like I remember a couple of them, but like I

1029
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: don't remember all them. There's been so many, No, I mean,

1030
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: it's it's like I just don't I don't know. It's

1031
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: like you make a catch and you just kind of

1032
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: throw it away and you want to the next play.

1033
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: And that's kind of way I played. And you know

1034
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: it's well, I'll tell you what that one that you

1035
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: know in a playoffs game, you said, you know what,

1036
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: this is the one, this is the one we want

1037
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: a playoff game because of my catcher or something like that.

1038
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, I always both to Dallas came I mean

1039
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: that that catch. Obviously it was very important, you know,

1040
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: to gain the momentum and take it away from them. Um,

1041
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, so there has to be one. And I

1042
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: know you had it, and I know you you know,

1043
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: you probably think about it. You probably dream about that

1044
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: after matching. All right, listen, it's been great for everything.

1045
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: He's got a great giant and uh, you know, I

1046
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: appreciate it all, appreciate aciate man you're making me yeah, yeah,

1047
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: see your money. Would rather leave it up to everybody

1048
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: else to do the rankings exactly, put one in front

1049
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: of the other. Yeah. No, I'm not a millennial like

1050
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't do the self promotion thing, which

1051
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: probably hurt me, but you know I respect the guys

1052
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: who hey, you know what, let the game do the

1053
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: talking and everybody else can weigh in on that old

1054
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: school yes, old school your old school answer? Not well,

1055
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: but I think I have an old heart, that old soul.

1056
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: Old Yeah, I'll go with that line. I'm a big

1057
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: fan of the old school mentality, all right. You know,

1058
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: don't don't let it looks be deceiving In terms of

1059
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: that speaking of old school, you'll be very enamored with

1060
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: our next guest. He's a regular. I don't know whether

1061
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: or not your high opinion of him will change by

1062
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: the time the phone call ends. It certainly has changed

1063
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: for me over the course of time on this program.

1064
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: And that is Charlie in Portland made Charlie, what's happening? Hey,

1065
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: last Mr g Q. Giant quality. That's what you are, man,

1066
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: Mr g Q. That's his lady you're talking about. To

1067
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: the list. Yeah, you know, it takes a real man

1068
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: to wear pink. You know what it means. I love

1069
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: it looks looks orange on the on the computer. Oh man,

1070
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: you gotta get your gotta get those uh, get your

1071
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: screen adjusted or the lenses adjusted, or or something else

1072
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: I was going to say, could be adjusted. Fall in

1073
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: live with a lot of the other things. Charlie progress. Hey,

1074
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew you did yogurt, which I think

1075
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: is great. I mean, if I was coach, I'd have

1076
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: them all up to do and che gone and U.

1077
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: You would find a big difference to gun guys. But

1078
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have great football players. Football

1079
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: players gotta play football, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1080
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: but see what she gone does. It gives you the

1081
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: eye of the hurricane. So with your calm in the

1082
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: center in your mind, then you can go out and

1083
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: create havoc. That's what she gone done. Charlie believes staring

1084
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: down your opponent makes them drop, so that you have

1085
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: a clear path down the left of the right sideline.

1086
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: You can tell you to fight, Yes, how to fight,

1087
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: very spiritual. Look at football, yes, hey invited. Did you

1088
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: ever do ballet? Because man, you used to tap dance

1089
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: right on right on that sideline And is that something

1090
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: you can teach other receivers or was that just something

1091
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: that you had and very seems very few have that

1092
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: ability to do at You know, It's funny when I

1093
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: played in college, I was never really known for it.

1094
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: I never you know, we just do these drills all

1095
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: the time. Um, and we just kept doing the drills

1096
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and it just became

1097
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: second ager. And I don't even think about it, like

1098
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: I just would. I would catch a ball and I

1099
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: just put my feet in that way and it was

1100
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: just kind of it. Yeah, you can you can you

1101
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: show that to some of these receives that we have.

1102
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, is that possible? I could show it to them?

1103
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: But I mean I don't I don't know if they

1104
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: would mean they did they do they do the drills

1105
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: that you were doing for that, I mean they Giants,

1106
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't do the drills we we used

1107
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: to do different types of drill. I mean we should

1108
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: just you know, warming up. It was like a warm up.

1109
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: You catch a couple of balls and you do these

1110
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: drills all the time, and after like that, I just

1111
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: kind of like, I just don't even think about it. Yeah,

1112
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: we should bring it back, because I mean, you were

1113
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: you were incredible feeling was drill and hey, I got

1114
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: a question for you. Two thousand and eight was probably

1115
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: one of the best teams the New York Giants ever had.

1116
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: And I know Plaques took himself out, but I couldn't

1117
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: understand why that team couldn't have gone on further. And actually,

1118
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, relied on you more to take his place,

1119
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: and there had to be another guide receivers that could

1120
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: have filled in, and you know, I don't know, it

1121
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: just seemed like everything fell apart when he left, and

1122
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand, why could you My role didn't change.

1123
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: They brought up a couple other guys who to take

1124
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: Plexico's role, and I would have loved the opportunity to

1125
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: move over and play X, but I didn't get that opportunity.

1126
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: I played. I stayed at Z and uh that's kind

1127
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: of how it happened. And I that was a big mistake.

1128
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: It was very upset about it, but you know that

1129
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: was what years ago, ten years ago. Yeah, I can

1130
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: sleep about it. I can sleep last month I got

1131
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: I can sleep about it. That was the anniversary. You're

1132
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: able to move on from it, finally finally turn the page.

1133
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: Took so long after all that time, Well I know,

1134
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: I probably apparently has not turned the page. Yeah, because

1135
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: you definitely were the best way receiver on the team.

1136
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: You know, when Flax went out, you were the best

1137
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: guy to step up. And I couldn't understand why they

1138
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: just in utilize you more. But I understand and no

1139
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: loose move. You know. I'm glad you've moved on. I

1140
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: haven't quite yet. But well, you know, that was my

1141
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: contract year, so if they would have put me there,

1142
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: I probably might have played a couple more, probably could

1143
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: have stolen a couple more years. Yeah, they're moving on

1144
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: from me, so dusted off money. Great talking to you, Lance, h.

1145
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: It's always sometimes the pleasure, Yes, well, I mean sometimes pleasure. Yeah,

1146
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: well that weekend. Appreciate the focal to get it a

1147
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: shot or two as he can. You can tell the

1148
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I've never heard Charlie compliment

1149
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: a player associated with the New York Giants organization as

1150
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: much in one phone call as he did just now.

1151
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: So you are in territory, Yes, I should send a

1152
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: cold beverage up the absolutely, well, he sent us lobsters.

1153
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: So yeah. He placed a bet with Jeff Eagel. Speaking

1154
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: of the gambling aspect, he made a little gamble about

1155
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: a previous wide receiver that was on the team, and

1156
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: then went to the Atlanta Falcons, the French wide receiver

1157
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: who they had in camp a few years ago. And

1158
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: then he went to Atlanta and they bet whether or

1159
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: not he'd actually make the roster. He did not make

1160
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: the roster, so he owed Jeff a bunch of lobsters,

1161
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: and he finally send them. Does he know Jeff like

1162
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: is around here and talks to the coaches and he

1163
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: watches them in practice? Figs, Oh, well he would You

1164
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: would think Charlie would know that. But Charlie would know

1165
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: that he would never shy away from a bed regard.

1166
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: He could be going up against the greatest football player

1167
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: of all time with tremendous amount of knowledge and insight,

1168
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: and he'd still feel good about his object. I would

1169
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: I want a wager with Charlie. I think I said.

1170
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: I'd be more than happy to see that wager. I

1171
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: gotta do it. Yeah, I think you do. I take

1172
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: stirs for if Odell Beckham gets over thousand yards this year. Oh,

1173
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: you want to go that route? So I think we

1174
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: can go much for obscure. We can shepherd up shepherd

1175
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: over this year. Alight. That's that's a decent one that

1176
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I can go with that. I thought you gotta stay

1177
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: with the wine out Well, no, but I thought you

1178
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: were gonna pick somebody that may have moved on to

1179
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: another team, determine whether or not or you know, the

1180
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: last final cut on the roster. We'll give you Tom

1181
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: to think we can always report back to Charlie on

1182
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: the program. We can't. I think that something will work

1183
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: on over. I'll have a good one the month of August. Yeah,

1184
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: I have faith that we can definitely develop something on

1185
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: that front. A few things I just want to touch

1186
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: on that we had hit on. Throughout the course of

1187
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: the program, I looked up scoring offenses last year, so

1188
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: the Rams were twenty nine point nine points per games,

1189
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: so they were pretty much right at thirty. The Patriots

1190
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: were two, tied with the Eagles at twenty eight point six,

1191
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: and the Saints were twenty eight, and rounding out the

1192
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: top five was Jacksonville at twenty six. Now keep this

1193
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: in mind, this is points per game, so if your

1194
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: defense chips in like with Jacksonville, obviously it's gonna help

1195
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: reflect your points. But the question was more about can

1196
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: the Giants get to twenty five. Now, just to give

1197
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: you a barometer, the top eight teams in the NFL

1198
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: last year had twenty five points or more. Ninth was

1199
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: Baltimore at twenty four point seven. And if we are

1200
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: to look over the top eight teams in the NFL

1201
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: last year, Rams made the playoffs, Patriots made the playoffs,

1202
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: Eagles made the playoffs, Saints made the playoffs, Jaguars made

1203
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Chiefs made the playoffs, Lions did not make

1204
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Steelers did make the playoffs. So seven of

1205
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: the eight teams that averaged at least twenty five points

1206
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: per game last season wound up making the pless So

1207
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: to your point of Manti, they don't get to it's

1208
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily a good sign of what the rest of

1209
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: the season in the future is gonna. Yeah. I mean,

1210
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: that's a lot lower than I thought, but um, because

1211
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: I thought there was at least I thought that. I

1212
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: actually I thought there was one or two that may

1213
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: have been over thirty. That that that's what I did too,

1214
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: from just short term memory. But you know, listen, the

1215
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: Rams are twenty nine point nine. They clearly they were

1216
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: scoring over thirty a lot of season once they kind

1217
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: of had everything sewed up there exactly. So that's at

1218
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: least a good look of what perhaps the Giants goal

1219
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: would be this season. They were last points the Giants

1220
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: last year, oh thirty, first in the NFL. Wow. Yeah,

1221
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: so can they get to ten more points this season?

1222
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: That's what a great I mean, that's a that's a

1223
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 1: good number. I think it's a great number. I would

1224
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: a great Yeah. I mean, you know, not not not.

1225
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: I was expect a little bit higher than that. But yeah, yeah, fifteen,

1226
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: And that's obviously what happens with respect to the injuries.

1227
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're the Giants too, you want

1228
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: to see the defense perhaps put some points on the

1229
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 1: board of the special teams too. We should mention, Yeah,

1230
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: get production out of those facets. You know, that could

1231
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: help bring up your scoring load. Absolutely, and you're you're're

1232
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna have a stinker in there, You're gonna have a

1233
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: game where you don't score. You could maybe have a

1234
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: feelable and maybe ten points and that definitely dramatically brings

1235
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: down your average. If you're even scoring like seven, they

1236
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: have a ten point game, now that that would excuse

1237
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: those numbers a little bit. But yeah, I'd be I'd

1238
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: be interested to see if they can need get you know,

1239
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: I think they should shoot for twenty because twenty seems

1240
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: like you're pretty much in the playoff hunt, right. You'd

1241
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: be in the playoff hunt. You wouldn't be guaranteed anything,

1242
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: but you'd be in the hunt. Maybe in the hunt,

1243
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: you'd be in the middle of the pack. That's but

1244
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we we let's let's shoot for the middle

1245
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: of the pack and hope we woult shot. I'll kick

1246
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: our coverage. That'll be the key, because I mean, even

1247
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: if you look at a team like Minnesota, and the

1248
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is because that's where Pat

1249
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: Shermer was last year. Minnesota was tenth in the NFL

1250
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: last year, the average just under twenty four points per game,

1251
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: and they also had the number one scoring defense in

1252
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: the National Football League meeting they gave up the least

1253
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: amount of points did in defense. And more importantly, they

1254
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: went the playoffs and they were you know, they were

1255
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: a great playoff run for the Minnesota Vikings that hadn't

1256
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: been to the playoffs and well, they haven't been as

1257
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: competitive in a while well, and they hadn't had as

1258
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: deep of a run. Especially you gotta go back to

1259
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Dante Culpepper, Randall Cunningham dates, you know

1260
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: when Randy Boss exactly. So it was quite a turnaround.

1261
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: But it just goes to show you when you play

1262
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: balanced football, you're gonna be in good shape, you're gonna

1263
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: be competitive, as opposed to if you're just relying on

1264
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: one of the facets of your team to do all

1265
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting, it's usually not gonna Yeah. Usually teamwork

1266
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: usually makes um. You know, you have a solid team

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Speaker 1: in the front office. More importantly, it really lends itself

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Speaker 1: to having a maybe you being a better team from

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Speaker 1: the top down down. Absolutely, and people here are really

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Speaker 1: excited about what Dave Gettlman is done. Um, I'm i'm

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Speaker 1: as well. I think that you know that coaching staff

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Speaker 1: is excellent and um, watching them perform today, I was,

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Speaker 1: I was very impressed. Oh it'll be fun to watch

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Speaker 1: moving forward, another week of training camp in the books

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Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up and

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Speaker 1: running again on Monday, one pm Eastern. Stay locked to

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Speaker 1: Giants dot com for all the latest as well as

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Speaker 1: the latest press conferences of Money. This is a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun, it was. I got my picture on the wall. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. That was the biggest accomplishment. Got jersey in

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Speaker 1: the stadium and now I got my picture on the wall.

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Speaker 1: See it's baby steps. We're making some strides. I can''t

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Speaker 1: ain't getting better than that. That's the of the resume.

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Speaker 1: Money too, of are now officially putting his imprint on

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Speaker 1: the wall here the Big Blue Kickoff Live studio. It

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the rest of your Friday. Fermanti too of her

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Speaker 1: on lands Meadow, have a good one.