Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming
Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field as
Speaker 1: the Packers West begin preparing for Monday Night football at
Speaker 1: lambeau Field, coming up against the Detroit Lions. Now, the
Speaker 1: week is all kind of screwed up. I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure what day it is. We've had a different schedule
Speaker 1: with Packers Unscripted this week. But I think it's time
Speaker 1: to talk about the opponents. So let's focus this episode
Speaker 1: on the Detroit Lions, who are to one and one.
Speaker 1: They've played one fewer game then the Packers coming off
Speaker 1: their bye week now, and I don't know what you think.
Speaker 1: To me, the Detroit Lions in twenty nineteen are the
Speaker 1: quintessential NFL team in that you look at their record,
Speaker 1: you look at their games, they could very easily be
Speaker 1: four and oh. They also very easily could be oh
Speaker 1: and four. I mean they've they've played close, tight football
Speaker 1: games all the way along. They blew a lead and
Speaker 1: got a tie, they caught a couple of breaks to
Speaker 1: win a couple of close games. Then they had some
Speaker 1: breaks go against them in losing a close game at
Speaker 1: home to a good Kansas City team. The bottom line
Speaker 1: is there to one and one after four games, and
Speaker 1: they are right in the mix in the NFC North
Speaker 1: and this is a big division game here coming up
Speaker 1: at Lambo. Yeah. It's a great point you make, Mike.
Speaker 1: It's similar to my fantasy football team right now. I
Speaker 1: could be four and one, but instead I'm two and
Speaker 1: three because I lost by one or point zero point
Speaker 1: one two weeks ago, and then I lost by seven
Speaker 1: rushing yards last week. We could talk about that on
Speaker 1: a different episode. But the end of the day, this
Speaker 1: is what the league's all about. Though, right before, Oh,
Speaker 1: you could be going for split the difference or two
Speaker 1: one and one. Here's the thing where I'm kind of
Speaker 1: torn on Detroit right now because when you cover the
Speaker 1: NFL long enough, and you probably got to this point
Speaker 1: three or four years ago, when when looking at the Lions,
Speaker 1: it seems like there's been so many like resurgences of
Speaker 1: the Lions and it doesn't stick. It's you know, it's
Speaker 1: the roller coaster. Yeah, well, I think that's part of it.
Speaker 1: They the years that they have made the postseason, they
Speaker 1: haven't been able to win a postseason game and really
Speaker 1: establish anything, and then the next year they can't get
Speaker 1: back to the playoffs to try to build on what
Speaker 1: they did. So you're right, it is it is an
Speaker 1: instance of Okay, here come the Lions, but then it's
Speaker 1: it's one good year and then they're kind of retooling again.
Speaker 1: So as much as I want to say, you know,
Speaker 1: Daryl Bevil seems to be the right fit for this
Speaker 1: team and for Matthew Stafford, I said the same thing
Speaker 1: about Jim Bob Couer when he replaced Lombardi a number
Speaker 1: of years ago. Yeah, that's where things that's where things
Speaker 1: were headed. You thought you thought Couder was going to
Speaker 1: be the guy that to stick around for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, this is the situation now where I
Speaker 1: just look at it for what it is. They were
Speaker 1: at home against one of the best teams in football
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and they played him tough. They got
Speaker 1: Carrie on Johnson going. I think kenned out. Galaday is
Speaker 1: a emerging, you know, star in this league, and he
Speaker 1: seems to have that rapport with Matthew Stafford. Stafford's playing
Speaker 1: well and on schedule, but the biggest thing that's jumping
Speaker 1: off the page is just the way that Detroit's defense
Speaker 1: has probably played a little bit better than I expected
Speaker 1: them to early on. I mean, they've invested heavily into
Speaker 1: their defensive front um, and you know, they're probably the
Speaker 1: sack numbers aren't exactly where they want them to be
Speaker 1: yet with Trey Flowers and some of those players, but
Speaker 1: they can pressure the quarterback in when you look at it,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't say their defense is as good
Speaker 1: as as Chicago. I wouldn't say their offense on papers
Speaker 1: as good as what Green Bay could potentially be, but
Speaker 1: they're doing just enough of the right things to be
Speaker 1: in a position where they're contending here for the top
Speaker 1: of the division. Well, it strikes me as a team
Speaker 1: that is getting comfortable. I'm not sure if that's the
Speaker 1: right word, but get getting comfortable, getting accustomed to the
Speaker 1: type of team Matt Patricia wants in his second year
Speaker 1: as the head coach, coming over from the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: And I still say, you know, it starts with Stafford here,
Speaker 1: and when you look at what he's done through the
Speaker 1: first four games, he's got a triple digit passer rating,
Speaker 1: he's he's up over a hundred UM. And the thing
Speaker 1: that sticks out to me when you look at, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is their offense doing right, It's that through four games,
Speaker 1: Stafford has only been sacked seven times, which would actually
Speaker 1: put him on pace to be sacked the fewest times
Speaker 1: in about the last six years. UM. When you look
Speaker 1: at his career numbers and how things have gone year
Speaker 1: by year for the Lions. So nothing overly flashy or
Speaker 1: explosive necessarily on offense. I think Kenny Golladay's twelve point
Speaker 1: eight yards per catch as their number one wide receiver,
Speaker 1: I think that's a really misleading number going into this
Speaker 1: game against the Packers because with the big plays the
Speaker 1: Packers gave up last week against the Cowboys, and with
Speaker 1: the challenge that Gala Day presents and how Stafford does
Speaker 1: like to send him down the field, I think I
Speaker 1: think they're going to test the Packers in that respect
Speaker 1: on Monday, absolutely, Mike, and they're gonna look at that
Speaker 1: film and what Dallas did with Marie Cooper and even
Speaker 1: to some extent, Michael Gallup, and they're gonna want to,
Speaker 1: you know, really stress them in that capacity. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to see exactly where the week takes them. With
Speaker 1: with t J. Hockenson coming on the bye week, he
Speaker 1: appears to be okay, you know, after having a you know,
Speaker 1: pretty scary concussion there right before in that game against
Speaker 1: Kansas City, So seeing exactly you know what his you know,
Speaker 1: potential impact could be. And they also signed Jesse James
Speaker 1: in the off season, so I mean that's another guy
Speaker 1: too that they've built up their resources and their weapons
Speaker 1: for Matthew Stafford, and Stafford I think is having a
Speaker 1: good time with it. Marvin Jones has been there for
Speaker 1: a number of years now. Um you look at you know,
Speaker 1: Dan Danny Amondola coming in here. You know, Bob Quinn
Speaker 1: has sort of had you know that bringing a few
Speaker 1: patriots here and there that they feel like fit the
Speaker 1: you know, fit the void, and you know, well, we'll
Speaker 1: see exactly where that takes him. The thing I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see though, is that with Green Bay's defense kind
Speaker 1: of stepping up to the challenge with Zeke Elliott and
Speaker 1: Zeke's you know, yards per carry were still pretty decent.
Speaker 1: You know, they got out of their rhythm because they're
Speaker 1: playing from behind, but you know, for the most part,
Speaker 1: they didn't give any big runs up to Zeke Elliott. Well,
Speaker 1: now you're taking on, you know, Carrie on Johnson, who
Speaker 1: even though he had a hundred and thirties some yards
Speaker 1: last week, that was as much as he had had
Speaker 1: the first three games of the season. They had a
Speaker 1: really difficult time. I think. I think he's only averaging
Speaker 1: like three point four yards to carry on the season
Speaker 1: so far, which is definitely down there expecting more. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure from their perspective, what he was able to
Speaker 1: do against the Chiefs is maybe the breakout moment that
Speaker 1: that they've been expecting for well, and I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons they were able to stay up
Speaker 1: in that game for as long as they did, is that,
Speaker 1: you know, he had his longest carrying that matchup was
Speaker 1: fourteen yards, which I think, yeah, that's as longest to
Speaker 1: the season at this point. So they were just able
Speaker 1: to consistently move the chains and then got enough big
Speaker 1: plays from their receivers in the red zone to make
Speaker 1: that a really compelled, editive game in which they almost won.
Speaker 1: But let's be real, Mike, I mean, Carrie on Johnson,
Speaker 1: the reason that they have dedicated themselves to him and
Speaker 1: the run game is they have a vision for where
Speaker 1: they want to take that thing. It's been decades now
Speaker 1: where you know, the lines just have not been able
Speaker 1: to find a consistent run game. They feel like this
Speaker 1: is the guy that could potentially get them there. But
Speaker 1: you know, as well as that offensive line has done,
Speaker 1: you know, with the pass and you know where their
Speaker 1: weapons are there, Um, it's still been tough sledding for
Speaker 1: them with the with getting the rushing offense going and
Speaker 1: seeing how the Packers, you know, we're trying to change
Speaker 1: their fortunes a little bit in that capacity are able
Speaker 1: to do so in this game is gonna be something
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, Well, when you look at the Lions
Speaker 1: through the first four games, they're just the style of games,
Speaker 1: the way their games have gone. They've been these games
Speaker 1: with wild swings of momentum, um turnovers back and forth.
Speaker 1: I know was a big part of the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs game, the fumble that was returned a hundred yards
Speaker 1: for a touchdown when most of the players on the
Speaker 1: field thought the play was dead and the Chiefs end
Speaker 1: up getting a huge play there. The Lions ran a
Speaker 1: kickoff back a hundred yards for a touchdown against the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. That was a big momentum shift in that game.
Speaker 1: The Chargers when they played them back in Week two,
Speaker 1: they were missing their kicker. They were trying their punter
Speaker 1: on field goals. He missed a couple of kicks and
Speaker 1: then the Chargers had to go for a fourth down
Speaker 1: late in the game. They've had, they've just had a
Speaker 1: lot of kind of weird, crazy things that have happened
Speaker 1: throughout their games. And you know, they've had their bye week.
Speaker 1: Now they kind of they kind of get their opportunity
Speaker 1: to reset and get geared up for a division game
Speaker 1: on the road at lambeau Field, a place that for
Speaker 1: about a quarter century they couldn't win in the state
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin. But the last couple of years now some
Speaker 1: of the games with Aaron Rodgers being out for different reasons.
Speaker 1: But over the last couple of years, the Lions have
Speaker 1: turned the tide in this rivalry and they they've they've
Speaker 1: kind of owned Green Bay for the last few seasons.
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia hasn't lost to the Packers yet. He's four
Speaker 1: and oh went into this matchup really quickly. I want
Speaker 1: to touch on this because I don't know we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a chance to pivot back to a Jamal egg
Speaker 1: New is one of the top returners in this league.
Speaker 1: When you talked about the kickoff return that he had,
Speaker 1: Packers have had problems and kickoff coverage right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: make Mason Crosby making sure that they can pin them
Speaker 1: back as much as they can. It's gonna be critical
Speaker 1: in this one, but that's what I kind of respect
Speaker 1: about what Patricia has done. I mean, I think one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why we talked about the ebb and
Speaker 1: flow that the lines have kind of experienced over the years.
Speaker 1: They just haven't been good enough in all three phases.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the you know, the Jim Schwartzerer,
Speaker 1: they just weren't disciplined enough. They had really good offensive
Speaker 1: football schemes. Calvin Johnson was at the peak of his powers,
Speaker 1: but they just shot themselves in the footway too often.
Speaker 1: And then Jim Calvill comes in and changes the culture.
Speaker 1: But then you just didn't have enough explosivity to that offense.
Speaker 1: And defensively you saw it kind of a road and
Speaker 1: get a little older um and some decisions they had
Speaker 1: to make, some things just didn't work out for them. Well. Now,
Speaker 1: you're seeing kind of this perfect marriage. I think when
Speaker 1: you look at all three phases, if you can get
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford performing consistently, you know, he has nine touchdowns
Speaker 1: already in four games. He only had twenty one last year. Um,
Speaker 1: he's actually I thought this was really interesting too. You
Speaker 1: talked about the triple digits for a pass rating. He's
Speaker 1: never had a triple digit passer rating in his NFL
Speaker 1: career for a full season, for a full season, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to actually finish the year with it, so, Um, getting
Speaker 1: him to play at an optimal level and just being
Speaker 1: consistent enough in defense and special teams, that's what's gonna
Speaker 1: make this thing a really interesting race to follow in
Speaker 1: the NFC North because I think you legitimately have four
Speaker 1: good teams, but not everybody can make the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: not everybody can even have a winning record sometimes. So
Speaker 1: this matchup for the Packers and a lot of players
Speaker 1: were asked about it in the locker room on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: To start a season three and oh, to go through
Speaker 1: the quick slate and get a win over every team
Speaker 1: in the division right off the bat in the first
Speaker 1: six weeks, that is exactly how you draw it. Up
Speaker 1: when you're trying to put together a playoff type team
Speaker 1: that can really contend going into January. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you look at it from the big picture perspective,
Speaker 1: you have to hold serve at home against your division opponents.
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, what is the difference in the
Speaker 1: NFC North the fact that the Packers won on the
Speaker 1: road at Soldier Field. It was back in Week one,
Speaker 1: but right now, when you look at the first five
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, that's the game that has tipped
Speaker 1: the balance in favor of Green Bay. The Packers can't
Speaker 1: give up that advantage now by losing a division game
Speaker 1: at home. This is a huge opportunity for the Lions obviously,
Speaker 1: to try to tilt things in their direction. And I
Speaker 1: want to mention this too because last week we we
Speaker 1: sort of one of the big narratives for that is, Okay,
Speaker 1: the Dallas clubs haven't really played anybody. You know, they
Speaker 1: have a good record, but you know when they had
Speaker 1: their first big tests against New Orleans, that an't rise
Speaker 1: to the occasion. Detroit has played good football teams and
Speaker 1: there to one and one on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't do that by accident. The performance
Speaker 1: they had against Philadelphia, being able to find a way
Speaker 1: to win that football game. I thought they really, especially
Speaker 1: in my particular case, raised a lot of eyebrows when
Speaker 1: they came out and they picked apart of you know,
Speaker 1: Chargers team, I think a lot of people are expecting
Speaker 1: to be one of the best in the a f C,
Speaker 1: and they were able to hold serve against them as well.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you look at it, you're within
Speaker 1: an eyelash year of you know, that game against Arizona
Speaker 1: where you're up and then you lose it. So it
Speaker 1: just a lot of different aspects to this, which I
Speaker 1: think what makes it a really compelling matchup with the
Speaker 1: Lions coming back in here and the Packers trying to
Speaker 1: reverse their fortunes after losing two and straight here now
Speaker 1: against Detroit at home. Yeah, with regard to Detroit's defense,
Speaker 1: some injuries they're dealing with their Mike Daniels, the former Packer,
Speaker 1: he's been on the injured list. I believe Damon Harrison
Speaker 1: Snacks Harrison as he's called another guy plugger in the
Speaker 1: interior that defensive line. He's not healthy at the moment,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like they are getting cornerback Darius slay Back.
Speaker 1: I you know, we've talked about him obviously in years
Speaker 1: passed on the show. I think Darius Slay is a
Speaker 1: is a premier talent at cornerback in this league. And
Speaker 1: he's called big play Slay for a reason. He's one
Speaker 1: of those guys that even if you feel like maybe
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're getting the best of him here
Speaker 1: and there throughout the course of a game, he can
Speaker 1: jump up and make a play on you in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and and turn the tide. So if Darius
Speaker 1: slay is back for the Lions, that's a huge boost
Speaker 1: for that defense. Yeah, he's one of the best in
Speaker 1: the entire league. And the Packers see him twice a year. Um,
Speaker 1: we we're shooting this before practice on Thursday, so we'll
Speaker 1: have to see, you know, if Davanta Adams if he
Speaker 1: has a chance this week or not, you know, coming
Speaker 1: off of his you know, the the ankle injury, their
Speaker 1: foot injury he's dealing with and some of the other
Speaker 1: things the Packers are working through. But Slay is such
Speaker 1: a you know, he's a he's a great phenomenal player.
Speaker 1: He's really fun to watch and we've been able to
Speaker 1: watch him now for a number of years and see
Speaker 1: him and and how he's developed from just a pure
Speaker 1: talent to you know, one of the league's all around
Speaker 1: best cornerbacks. And you know, his role I would even
Speaker 1: argue has changed here a little bit in the last
Speaker 1: few years, because for a while, you did have a
Speaker 1: lot of veterans there. You think of Glover Quinn, the
Speaker 1: number of years that he ended up playing in Detroit, Um,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of guys that were the quote
Speaker 1: unquote leaders of that defense. We dre Is Slave very
Speaker 1: simply put is now. I think he's twenty eight years old.
Speaker 1: He's at the peak of his powers. And you know,
Speaker 1: as as much as resources they've did, you know, invested
Speaker 1: in that defensive front, trade Flowers is you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about Zadarius Smith and Presses Smith. Tradeful hours was
Speaker 1: right up there with being the pre eminent free agent
Speaker 1: pass rushers this offseason. Yeah, he was one of the
Speaker 1: quick signings exactly last on the market. Didn't last on
Speaker 1: the market for long. Yeah, And with all those resources
Speaker 1: they put up front, that's all well and good, and
Speaker 1: you know, you need to build, you need to marry
Speaker 1: the two together. But the second area and having Darius
Speaker 1: slay Is, you know, it's sort of your go to
Speaker 1: there for a shutdown cornerback is really the identity of
Speaker 1: this defense and it continues to be. Well, it's a
Speaker 1: matchup game, West, So I want to ask you before
Speaker 1: we go here today, what are the individual matchups Packers
Speaker 1: defense versus their offense or vice versa. What are the
Speaker 1: matchups that you're looking at that that intrigue you the
Speaker 1: most in terms of how they might play out on
Speaker 1: the field. Aaron Jones seeing exactly you know, you put
Speaker 1: that on film last week. Two yards of total offense,
Speaker 1: four touchdowns, seven catches, seventy eight yards or whatever. He
Speaker 1: had a career day in so many different ways. I'm
Speaker 1: very interested to see what the plan of attack is
Speaker 1: for Detroit and how they defend him. You know, a
Speaker 1: pretty deep, you know, linebacking corps that they have their
Speaker 1: you know, Jared Davis is you know, kind of been
Speaker 1: the guy in the middle of that defense here the
Speaker 1: last few seasons. Um, you know, if if you leak
Speaker 1: him out now and depending on how the Packers want
Speaker 1: to attack the middle of the field, that's where you know,
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, Danny VITALI can be really dynamic, and you know,
Speaker 1: you wrote about it this week and we've talked about
Speaker 1: it with you know that the tight end position and
Speaker 1: some of the production that they're getting there from that
Speaker 1: spot now with Marcedes Lewis and Jimmy Graham these last
Speaker 1: few weeks. I think as long as Davante Adams, whether
Speaker 1: he plays or not, as long as he's dealing with
Speaker 1: this foot, you know, turf toe deal, you need to
Speaker 1: be able to penetrate the middle of the field and
Speaker 1: challenge defenses there. Aaron Jones is a big part of that.
Speaker 1: The tight ends are a big part of it. And
Speaker 1: seeing exactly how you know, the Lions try to defend
Speaker 1: that after seeing what basically the Dallas Cowboys did wrong
Speaker 1: with two premier inside linebackers, is going to be I
Speaker 1: think one of the biggest keys to victory for either
Speaker 1: one of these teams, depending on who prevails. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: and an interesting matchup here is Hockinson, the rookie tight
Speaker 1: end from Iowa the Lions drafted and with the number
Speaker 1: eight overall pick. And I remember the stats at draft
Speaker 1: time and they're not with me right now, but it
Speaker 1: has been a long time since the tight end, if
Speaker 1: I recall had been taken that high. I think it's
Speaker 1: going back to Jeremy Shocky or yeah, something that somebody has.
Speaker 1: Somebody like that. It had been a while, so they
Speaker 1: spent a premium draft pick on t J. Hockenson, and
Speaker 1: so far they certainly like what they've gotten out of him.
Speaker 1: And I think this is a really interesting match up
Speaker 1: here for the Packers because going back two weeks when
Speaker 1: the Eagles had their running game going and we're kind
Speaker 1: of staying ahead of the chains and everything offensively, zach
Speaker 1: Ertz was the guy in the passing game who really
Speaker 1: hurt the Packers. He was kind of the move the
Speaker 1: chains guy. You saw Mike Petton try a bunch of
Speaker 1: different matchups. It wasn't just one guy had responsibility for
Speaker 1: Earth's you know, throughout the game. It wasn't with those
Speaker 1: kind of you know, match and follow type of things,
Speaker 1: which isn't normally what you do with a tight end.
Speaker 1: You know, depending on your package and your personnel on
Speaker 1: the field at a given time, you're going to have
Speaker 1: different guys matching up with that tight end. And I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see just who is going to be called
Speaker 1: upon at various times to try to contain Hockinson on
Speaker 1: Monday night. So a few things to this one, just
Speaker 1: to make sure be my own personal budsman here. It
Speaker 1: was the highest the tight end been taken since Vernon
Speaker 1: Davis thousand six. He was taking six overall. Kellen Winzel
Speaker 1: was in two thousand four, also six, and then you
Speaker 1: know Eric Ebrint was a guy that they took tenth
Speaker 1: overall a number of years ago. That's been a big
Speaker 1: position that they've been trying to build up through various
Speaker 1: regimes with the Lions, and it does look as you
Speaker 1: have a good one in Hockinson. This is what's going
Speaker 1: to be interesting in terms of how they challenge him,
Speaker 1: right because you have Darnell Savage dealing with his ankle.
Speaker 1: So let's say he's either compromise or can't go on
Speaker 1: this one. Well, then there's probably a little bit more
Speaker 1: of an emphasis to have Adrian Aame is playing back
Speaker 1: and maybe not in the box as much as he
Speaker 1: did the last couple of weeks. So then what's the
Speaker 1: chess piece that you move there? I think as long
Speaker 1: as the packers are dealing with this, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: seeing them, you know, use more that hybrid dime personnel.
Speaker 1: But could a guy like Orn Burke's, now that he's
Speaker 1: back in the rotation, can he help you in coverage
Speaker 1: in that way? Can you use a guy like Josh
Speaker 1: Jackson who's been kind of sitting on the bleachers here
Speaker 1: waiting to get an opportunity to get back in there.
Speaker 1: Will Redmond has been thrown in there. The Packers invested
Speaker 1: resources to the defensive side of the ball, but they
Speaker 1: also trusted their draft and developed kind of philosophies too
Speaker 1: with how they handled many of those inside linebacker and
Speaker 1: safety positions, and they're gonna need those next men up
Speaker 1: to kind of be there for them regardless of how
Speaker 1: this injury report shuffles out. And T. J. Hockinson's a
Speaker 1: guy that you have to be, you know, aware of
Speaker 1: at all times because as much as I've said in
Speaker 1: the past, it's difficult for a rookie to come in
Speaker 1: and make an immediate impact. Hockinson is one of those guys,
Speaker 1: And if you follow the lines at all so far
Speaker 1: this season, the potential threat that he presents in the
Speaker 1: reds own is something that I think is really going
Speaker 1: to stress out a lot of defenses. So, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big thing that Mike Petton, the training staff,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to figure out this week. Who's available,
Speaker 1: who's up, and how exactly do you go Buck defending him. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: we will get to our keys to victory for this
Speaker 1: Monday night showdown on tomorrow's show, but for now we
Speaker 1: will call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.
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