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Speaker 1: Hmmmm, hellaj solo recorder Lalas. Then let's us stay USA, Runzula.

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Speaker 2: Quesome.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Good Mom's Bad Choices, and welcome to

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Speaker 3: our part two of our Sean and Ray King episode. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you listen to part one, you know we ended

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Speaker 3: it quite abruptly, so let's take it back so you

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Speaker 3: can remember where we left off and get straight into

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Speaker 3: part two.

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Speaker 4: You have children, children, and I think you know, like

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Speaker 4: I know, there was a comment recently about you telling

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Speaker 4: saying about Kim like she likes being on camera. I

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Speaker 4: didn't think there was anything wrong with that comment.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was a little mad when I thought

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Speaker 5: you said that, I.

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Speaker 2: Thought that it was true.

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Speaker 6: I think, like, I'm not a Kardashian fan by any means,

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Speaker 6: but if she's gonna use her platform as a way

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Speaker 6: to help people, then okay.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think the day I said that comment,

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Speaker 7: I says, like, on the Monday they stopped Rodney's execution

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Speaker 7: on Friday, and on that Monday, she was on all

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Speaker 7: the TV shows, which I had no problem with. But

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Speaker 7: I kept being asked Sean why she on these TV

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Speaker 7: shows and not you, and I said, because she likes

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Speaker 7: being on TV, and I like doing the work well.

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Speaker 5: And let's be honest, because mainstream media was done with

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Speaker 5: you a long time ago.

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Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, but not just but I think I regretted

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Speaker 7: saying it probably a few hours after, if one, I'm

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Speaker 7: generally not mean spirited in my comments. I was already

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Speaker 7: frustrated that day because I think that was the same

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Speaker 7: day a lot of stuff was going on with Amanda. Again,

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Speaker 7: I wasn't so bothered by Amanda as I was concerned

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Speaker 7: about the impact it would have on Rodney, on Rodney's

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Speaker 7: family and on his case. Like we had grown to

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Speaker 7: feel that the public sentiment about Rodney mattered, and so

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Speaker 7: seeing something that could harm that, I felt I could

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Speaker 7: harm this man's life. And so when somebody asked me that,

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Speaker 7: I was kind of in a mood, and several people

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Speaker 7: reached out to me and said, like, actually, sewing behind this.

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Speaker 7: I know what you've seen on TV, but behind the scenes,

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Speaker 7: she's been doing more work, even on Rodney's case, research

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Speaker 7: and some other things. And so I just said, like, hey,

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Speaker 7: what I said. I said, I think the facts of

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Speaker 7: that are true. She does like being on TV. I

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Speaker 7: do like doing the work, but I didn't mean it

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Speaker 7: in that meant it as a backhanded compliment, and a

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Speaker 7: few hours after I said it, I was like, ah,

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Speaker 7: that's not my best, that's not my best. Look.

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Speaker 6: So with all I mean, all the work you do,

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Speaker 6: all the criticism that you get, both of you get,

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Speaker 6: how what is how do you decompress? What is your

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Speaker 6: self care routine? Because that's what I want to know.

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Speaker 6: How do you step away from all of this? Because

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Speaker 6: you know your Instagram and I've seen before you've said, like,

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Speaker 6: you know, I know a lot of you think that

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Speaker 6: all I do is post about all like the injustices

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Speaker 6: that are happening. I'm going to start posting things about

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Speaker 6: like little things I do with my family to show

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Speaker 6: you that, yes I do. I am a normal person

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Speaker 6: and I don't just like post about this stuff all day.

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Speaker 5: Well you do, but this is not my whole existence.

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Speaker 6: Like, how how do you kind of come down and

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Speaker 6: decompress from all of it?

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Speaker 7: I think we both have different ways that we do it,

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Speaker 7: Like right now, like I'm in a fantasy basketball league

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Speaker 7: with my son, Okay, right, and so I'm and we're

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Speaker 7: checking our scores several times a night to see who's winning.

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Speaker 7: We take the we take the kids to the movies.

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Speaker 7: We we go on trips. We're going on a trip,

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Speaker 7: there are things that we do, Like I also try

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Speaker 7: I try to cut my work off even as early

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Speaker 7: as eight o'clock, where I'm trying to flip the switch

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Speaker 7: off in my mind where I'm not thinking about injustice.

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Speaker 7: Little things like we try not to have our phone

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of I think we could use a

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Speaker 5: little more decompressing. Like I think these last six months

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Speaker 5: or so, in particular, it's been hard to kind of

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Speaker 5: stuff like that, just like we go to Broadway.

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Speaker 7: We go to Broadway musicals when we can. Yeah, I

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Speaker 7: mean so there are I shop too much? Yeah, so

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Speaker 7: we didn't. We have little things that we do. Like you,

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Speaker 7: Ray is a podcast officionados, She's probably listened to this

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Speaker 7: point into the thousands of episodes at this point. So

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Speaker 7: you listen to podcasts and audio books and and there

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Speaker 7: are other little things that we do. Like for me,

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Speaker 7: I everything I do I love. And so even as

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Speaker 7: hard as fighting for Rodney Reid is, I choose to

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Speaker 7: do that, even as I talked to you all earlier

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Speaker 7: how hard it is to do a daily podcast. As

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Speaker 7: hard as it is to do it daily, I love

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Speaker 5: But it does get hard for you, Like I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, that's one thing. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 5: because you're a guy, you know, and you're just not

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Speaker 5: necessarily in touch with your feelings or whatever, so he's

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Speaker 5: not want to be like, you know, oh man, I'm

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Speaker 5: for other signs and clues that you know that he's

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Speaker 5: reaching a point, you know what I'm saying. And I

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Speaker 5: think this past week, in particular, one you've been writing

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Speaker 5: the never ending book. Good Lord, it just won't It's

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Speaker 5: the book that won't be written. It just won't be done.

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Speaker 7: The book is finished. It's the editing process.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's terrible. But I think over this last week,

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Speaker 5: know I've ever heard him say that before. And I

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Speaker 5: was like, oh, okay, like something's wrong. He's just like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, he said. I think

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Speaker 5: I just went for so long, so hard for Rodney read,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's like you work your work, your work to get

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Speaker 5: last three weeks of my life? And I think you have.

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Speaker 5: I think the amandacials thing, the reason that Kim Kardashian

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Speaker 5: because you were you were I think you're exhausted, Like

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Speaker 5: I really, I think you're exhausted. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 5: like speaking of decompressing, Like I don't engage on the internet.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea what people say about me. So

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Speaker 5: you all say, you know, like, oh, the way they

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Speaker 5: criticized me too, I was like, really do they you know?

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Speaker 5: Because I don't know, Like I don't.

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Speaker 7: I hardly see I hardly see any criticism of myself.

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Speaker 7: I don't. I hardly look at the comments. I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't have Google alerts on. I have had to

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Speaker 5: And that's a form of decompression. I think it's just

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Speaker 5: like making that because you live on the internet, in

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Speaker 5: possible when it comes to like what we take in is.

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Speaker 5: ones with your social media, Like don't even bring it

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Speaker 5: don't like those people, you don't know those people, don't

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Speaker 5: that's kind of deep. And so just like limiting our

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Speaker 5: social media I think is another kind of self care

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the work you do, you have so

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Speaker 4: many people have access to you, you know, and you

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Speaker 4: know what in preparing for this interview, obviously we know,

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Speaker 4: we know who you are, but we did some research

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Speaker 4: and there's you know, there's just I was just like

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Speaker 4: calling Eric like, oh my god, people are crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm like everything, every every crevice of this man's life.

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Speaker 2: If you're black, are you black enough? You know, are

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 2: Did you have did someone hurt you? Was was it

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Speaker 4: Motivated, you know, people having to go back and account

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Speaker 4: I mean obviously I see it from the other side, but.

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Speaker 2: I see from black people. Yeah, And that was like.

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Speaker 4: There is not a lot of people doing this work,

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Speaker 4: and it's needed more than ever. So I'm perplexed at

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Speaker 7: I know, I think I understand it. I mean, black

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Speaker 7: Like it could be just a pop culture rumor, like

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Speaker 7: I remember, like I remember it was the top trending

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Speaker 5: Think some of us just like the history of like

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Speaker 5: playing the Dozens, you know what I'm saying, Like we

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, And it's beautiful when it's funny,

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Speaker 5: you know, and it's interesting, and that's why I think

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Speaker 5: we have the best comedians and stuff like that. But

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Speaker 5: I think that social media takes it a couple of

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Speaker 5: steps too far, you know what I'm saying. Like I've

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Speaker 5: seen means about Sean that I giggle that to be honest.

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Speaker 2: We're funny.

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Speaker 5: Even what I took over his Twitter account, somebody opposed

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Speaker 5: a meme. It was like some movie and I was

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Speaker 5: holding Shine and they had like put his face on

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Speaker 5: thought that was hilarious, you know, even a couple of

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like, we're funny and we're interesting, and

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Speaker 5: a lot of what I've seen happened with Sean. Like

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Speaker 5: Or like or like when he stole money from who

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Speaker 7: Real talk. I loathe bullies like my entire life. And

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Speaker 7: Kids, listen, our kids get confronted on this, like when

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Speaker 5: Like why don't the families so the charities that like

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Speaker 6: I mean exactly, And that's and that's what I was

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Speaker 7: It's a crime. And that's what people understand is it's

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Speaker 7: It's a crime. It's it's a whole crime. If you

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Speaker 6: Even if you started on profit, you have to you

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Speaker 2: You have to nine nights.

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Speaker 6: And isn't it is it open to the general public too?

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Speaker 5: Like what do all the people that hatean do you

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Speaker 4: Uncle Tom, don't get don't let nobody take his money.

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Speaker 4: They're on it every step of the way, right And

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: So it's strange to me that you know, and when

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Speaker 2: That's a business man.

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Speaker 4: You see what works and that doesn't work, and then

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Speaker 5: And always when that's the thing that's always been able

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Speaker 5: But it took you a while to understand me.

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Speaker 6: Want to think as you as as as his wife

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Speaker 5: Oh one? An time absolutely like this is not the

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Speaker 5: Right like, let that be our lives. I don't want this.

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Speaker 5: He don't spend it down like I spend it all.

435
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 5: And so, yeah, it had everything to do with me.

436
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 5: And I literally felt like I couldn't show my face

437
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 5: in the office. I was embarrassed, I was hurt. I

438
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 5: didn't know who was for me and who was against me,

439
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 5: just like crazy stuff, right, And I was just like,

440
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 5: there have been so many times I cannot do this anymore.

441
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 5: Like I need you to have an exit plan? What

442
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 5: is what is your exit strategy? Can you be a

443
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 5: professor somewhere? Can you just get a little you know?

444
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 5: And right, like can we do that? Can we move?

445
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 5: Can we not be in New York? Like I would

446
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 5: still do that to this day, because I mean I

447
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 5: don't like it.

448
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, with your and having kids too, how because I

449
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 6: think about this too with with your with your children.

450
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: How do you.

451
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 6: Obviously educate them because they're black children about you know,

452
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 6: what's happening in the world. But also allow them to

453
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 6: be children, you know, because you want them to be

454
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 6: armed with the knowledge, but you also want them to

455
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 6: be pure and as long as.

456
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 5: They can and free. And how do you we have.

457
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Speaker 7: A lot I get that question all the time. I

458
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 7: think we both get it. But I mean, first, we

459
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 7: don't have a one size fitsole policy for our kids.

460
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 7: So our kids are seven, ten, thirteen, seventeen, and twenty,

461
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 7: and so what works for the seventeen and twenty year

462
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 7: old is totally different than what works for the seven

463
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 7: and ten year old. And so sometimes parents feel like

464
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 7: they're doing their kids a service by exposing them to

465
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 7: all the issues of the world. And we've never felt

466
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 7: that way. So we've our young kids. We've always tried

467
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 7: to shield them from actual videos of police violence or

468
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 7: horrible stories of white supremacy or bigotry. Like they understand

469
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 7: that these issues exist, but the young developing brain literally

470
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 7: cannot process that, Like it'll cause them to think of

471
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 7: themselves in certain detrimental ways. It'll cause them to even

472
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 7: kind of internalize it and think that they are inny

473
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 7: media danger. So we kind of have a sliding scale,

474
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 7: you know, from the twenty year old all the way

475
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 7: to the seven year old in terms of what we

476
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 7: exposed them to, like only for the very first time

477
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago did the three younger kids.

478
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 7: I think that's the first time they'd ever seen me

479
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 7: at a rally, So they don't even they don't. We

480
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 7: generally I go do that stuff and the family is

481
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 7: at home safe and I go out. We rarely when

482
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 7: I do events, we're rarely even together sometimes for safety.

483
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 7: In some ways, we're rarely even in the same place

484
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 7: at the same time. And so there, I mean, lots

485
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 7: of things we do to protect the kids, but you know,

486
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 7: I think it's just important not to over expose even

487
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 7: as adults, Like even Ray doesn't see, like I shield

488
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 7: her from even a lot of the horrible things that

489
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 7: go on in the world. Our minds, our brains were

490
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 7: never meant to see some of the awful things that happening.

491
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Speaker 5: So, like I knew a long time ago, I could

492
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 5: not watch those videos. I could not. I couldn't be

493
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 5: so engrossed in every news story. So if you go

494
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: to my Instagram, it's mostly any other mom's Instagram. You

495
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. It's my kids, it's my day

496
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 5: to day it's they're messy rooms, it's whatever. And then

497
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 5: I post about my work because I do work that

498
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 5: I care about, and I talk about that sometimes. But

499
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 5: you know, like we have all the same trepidation that

500
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 5: any black parents have with the raising black kids. Like

501
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 5: the conversations that we have with our son, like they're heartbreaking.

502
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 5: I wish that because you know, we were in this

503
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 5: space we had some you know, magic wisdom, you know

504
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 5: about how to butt.

505
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: The book. Everyone knows they do.

506
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 5: No, we don't, like I wish we did. It is hard,

507
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 5: you know, like the conversations when my son he's thirteen

508
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 5: now in New York, kids just go all over the city,

509
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 5: all buy themselves from the time they're like nine or

510
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 5: ten years old.

511
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Speaker 7: I have school buses in New York, in the New

512
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Speaker 7: York or No, it's not tissue.

513
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: This is post for one more thing.

514
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, I'm a quarter. We can start.

515
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 6: However you want to start speaking of not having a

516
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 6: magic you know answer for that, I really because you

517
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 6: have a son and you know, unfortunately, you know, we

518
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 6: have to educate our black boys on how to deal

519
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 6: with what's the protocol when you get pulled.

520
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Over by a police officer.

521
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 7: What is that?

522
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 5: What is that protocol?

523
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 6: How have you had I'm assuming you've had that conversation

524
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 6: with him? How did that conversation go?

525
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 7: Like? What did you what would say? You know, the

526
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 7: one We've even had those conversations, even with our girls.

527
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 7: Of course, while I think the threat and the risk

528
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 7: may be different for for boys and girls, the threat

529
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 7: is still there. And you know, it was more painful

530
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 7: and hurtful than we anticipated, sure, because it's one thing

531
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Speaker 7: to read about the talk and hear about the talk,

532
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 7: and one is not a talk.

533
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Speaker 8: It's every other day basicly of you know, because in

534
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 8: New York kids there are school buses here and so

535
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 8: kids at their schools literally get subway passes, and so

536
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 8: kids get themselves all over the.

537
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 7: City and so kids are literally out and about in.

538
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 5: New York, and so in New York the threat is

539
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: a little different. It's not like if you ever get

540
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 5: pulled over, it's stopping frisk. It's don't ever go to

541
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 5: the subway and skip, you know through like always pay.

542
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: And so I'm obsessed with making sure that he has

543
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 5: a subway pass every time he leaves the house. Do

544
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 5: you have your subway pass? Doesn't have money on it,

545
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 5: because I know what can happen if you go, if

546
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 5: you duck under you know what I'm saying, then you're

547
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 5: drawing attention to yourself. So those kind of conversations And

548
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 5: for me, I actually wrote a blog post about this

549
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: with Mommy Nation. I talked to his friends too. He

550
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: goes to a school where it's predominantly white, and he's

551
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 5: hanging out with these white boys, and I know how

552
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: white boys can be, I know how kids can be,

553
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 5: and I had to have a conversation like I need

554
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 5: you to talk to your son and when he's out

555
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 5: with my son, I need him to understand that there's

556
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: a different level of responsibility there in terms of if

557
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 5: you get caught stealing and you do something crazy that

558
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 5: kids do, like the consequences for your son are very

559
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 5: different than they are for my son. And I just

560
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 5: want to know, like, are you having these conversations with

561
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 5: your child so that he knows and he's not putting

562
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 5: my son at risk? And ways like I dare you

563
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 5: to do that? Or how about we go do this?

564
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, are you talking to

565
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 5: your son about that?

566
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: Were those parents receptive of what you had to say

567
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: they were.

568
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 5: Actually they were really receptive. I mean, we live in Brooklyn,

569
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, so super gentrified. You know,

570
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: full of white people who consider themselves woke to a degree,

571
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 5: but who also, to be fair, really do engage with

572
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 5: these topics in ways their their parents and predecessors weren't

573
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 5: doing so. I was lucky enough that they were open

574
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 5: to it. But I remember one time my son said

575
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 5: something to me and this broke my heart. I literally cried.

576
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: He said that he was out with his friend and

577
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 5: they were, you know, just horsing around having a good time.

578
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: And he said, you know, they were kind of chasing

579
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 5: each other. And he said, Mommy, I want you to know,

580
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: and he was so proud. This is what really broke

581
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 5: my heart. I want you to know that I never

582
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 5: ran behind him. I always made sure I was in

583
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: front of him because I didn't want anybody to think

584
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 5: I was chasing him. Oh right, I mean, my heart,

585
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 5: it just it broke into a million that.

586
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 7: He already knows that the rules that apply to them

587
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 7: proud of him, and it sucks in a painful way.

588
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: And because he was so proud, he was like, you know,

589
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: I did the thing I did the right thing.

590
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: But it's like, as a child, those are not things

591
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: that you should even have to consider. But the truth

592
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: of the matter is is that we do.

593
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had an incident. He and I were on

594
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 5: the ferry together, and you know, he's little, like my son,

595
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 5: he's very tiny. He wants to be tall so bad,

596
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: but he's not. I think he's gonna take after me.

597
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 5: But we were on the ferry and he and I

598
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: were getting off and we just had a great time,

599
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 5: like you know, taking pictures on the water. So we're

600
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: walking off and there's this white lady in a corner,

601
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 5: like you know, looking out at the water, and I

602
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 5: noticed her turn around. She noticed my son, who did

603
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 5: have a cap and a hoodie on, and her eyes

604
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 5: immediately went down to look at her purse, and I

605
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 5: was like, it was like a split second cutter, but

606
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: I caught it, and I was like, oh my god,

607
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 5: my child, my baby. Right, she looked down at her

608
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: purse and then looked up at me and then you know,

609
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: went on about our business. But I'm like, I saw that.

610
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 5: I saw that, and it hurt me, and it scared

611
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 5: me because I'm like, already, you know, here he is

612
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 5: this tiny thing. I mean, I don't even know if

613
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: easy ways one hundred pounds. He's tiny and already you

614
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: saw this little black boy his baseball cap and is

615
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: hoodie on, and your eyes immediately went down to make

616
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: sure your purse was still there, you know what I'm saying.

617
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: And so it's like how I'm just now really contending with, like,

618
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 5: how do I release him out into the world without

619
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 5: losing my mind?

620
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: I don't think you can. Yeah, I don't think you can.

621
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: Like as a mom, I don't even have a son.

622
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: My child is only four. Just as a black woman,

623
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: like I was just selling Erica, I'm like so much

624
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: like even growing up not very in a black community,

625
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: I've been so aware my parents. My middle name is Asada,

626
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: I was named after a black panther, so like it's

627
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: always been an ongoing conversation in our household. But I've

628
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: always felt super passionately about my people. To the point

629
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: like you're telling me these stories, I could cry, I'm emotional,

630
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 4: but I just I don't think it ever becomes easy,

631
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: like no matter what. That's why I appreciate you guys

632
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 4: so much for being transparent, for being honest, and just

633
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 4: for being you know, doing the work that you're doing,

634
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: but I don't.

635
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: No matter what.

636
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: You're doing, I don't think it becomes easy to just

637
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: explain to children that you're to other people, they may

638
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: not see you as a child, they may not see

639
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: you as human.

640
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're just you're just a criminal.

641
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that shit is unreal.

642
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: And like you said, as parents, when we read these

643
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: comments or we see these hateful these hateful things, even

644
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: racist white people, I'm like, how can you be somebody's mother?

645
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: When you give birth? Everything else goes out the window.

646
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 5: You're like, damn, yeah, this is just an innocent child

647
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 5: of the heavens.

648
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: I don't know where you came from, but it's so

649
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: pure and for you to birth a child or you know,

650
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: to you know, have the baby, and then you can

651
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: look at somebody else's child as anything less than human.

652
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Speaker 4: I literally can't understand the disconnect.

653
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't, even in the equity work that I do. Like,

654
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 5: what I understand is that a lot of it is

655
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 5: just unconscious bias, you know, like that white woman who

656
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 5: knows she probably you talk about. I forget what you

657
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 5: call them, like internet activist or something a word that

658
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 5: you had. It's the activists, you know, like I know

659
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 5: several of those types of people. You know, some of

660
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: them that I care about deeply, but their their activism

661
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 5: only goes as far as their next retweet, right and

662
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: that and there it stopped. And so that woman, I

663
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 5: would not be surprised because she was so walk online.

664
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Speaker 2: Right, you know what I'm saying.

665
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 5: Second that second, as my son was walking in front

666
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 5: of me and she saw him first, she she wouldn't

667
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: walk anymore. Now, when it's the one, it's the real.

668
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 6: When you're confronted with it, it's a little different, right,

669
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 6: it's a little different.

670
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Speaker 2: I mean shit, I think as a black woman.

671
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: The other day, I was leaving your house and it

672
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: was late and I was putting my massage shape on

673
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: my trunk and I saw a man and she was

674
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: like on a quiet street, a black man walking down

675
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: the street. And I was my trunk was open, and

676
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: I thought he could put me in this trunk with

677
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: this table.

678
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I saw it.

679
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: Like I got scared, right, because we're not exempt from dealing,

680
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 5: like we've also swall.

681
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: We've been programmed.

682
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it was because he was

683
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: black or it was a man there's all this like

684
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: human trafficking, you know. But I caught I've caught myself

685
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 4: in mid thought in mid and he was he had

686
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: to share Joe's shirt on he was walking by.

687
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: He was mine business, you know.

688
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 5: But I didn't like he's good.

689
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: He's good.

690
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it goes, but he was I was.

691
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 4: I got scared and I thought, Okay, well ericonos, I'm leaving.

692
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: Someone's expecting me. I can only be missing for so long.

693
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: But I realized how, how deeply, how you know if

694
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: it's if it's somewhere like programmed in myself, I can

695
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 4: only imagine for people who don't even like, who feel

696
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: even more removed removed. Yeah, but my other question is, Sean,

697
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 4: what was the what was the defining moment for you

698
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: when you're like, this is what I.

699
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: Have to do.

700
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 7: Oh, I've had I've had a few defining moments. But

701
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 7: we were actually living in southern California. This was in

702
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 7: the summer of twenty fourteen, and I was working at

703
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 7: an environmental charity called Global Green. This was in Santa Monica,

704
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 7: And it was not like I was not an organizer,

705
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 7: not an activist. I had spoken out against police brutality

706
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 7: a lot during my adult life, but this was a

707
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 7: time where in twenty fourteen, there had never been a

708
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 7: viral video of police brutality, not on the internet. I mean,

709
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 7: there was Rodney King in the early nineties, but on

710
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 7: the Internet, there had never been a viral video of

711
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 7: somebody being killed by police. And a buddy of mine

712
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 7: that I went to morehouse with, who actually lived here

713
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 7: in New York sent me a video of Eric Garner

714
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 7: and at the time we didn't even know his name.

715
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 7: It was still on YouTube. It had not made the news.

716
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 7: It was it had like five thousand views on YouTube,

717
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 7: and it was he knew the guy Ramsey Order that

718
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 7: actually posted it. And I was sitting there at a

719
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 7: cubicle at my desk, and I waited until a lot

720
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 7: of my colleagues left for lunch, and I clicked on

721
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 7: this video watched a man who was fully alive at

722
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 7: the beginning of the video be fully dead by the end.

723
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 7: And in that moment, this is like July seventeenth of

724
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 7: twenty fourteen, I'm just at my cubicle thinking like, oh

725
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 7: my god, I just watched a man die. Now, in

726
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 7: those five years since, we've watched a lot of people die,

727
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 7: but in that moment, I was really shook up by it,

728
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 7: and I just asked myself a simple question, like who

729
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 7: do I know that might be able to help? What

730
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 7: can I do that might make a difference, And I

731
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 7: just started sharing that video on social media and trying

732
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 7: to break it down and explain it in a way

733
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 7: that I didn't see anybody else doing. It was on

734
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 7: the news the next day, but I saw my job

735
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 7: initially as just trying to tell the story of that victim,

736
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 7: of that family. But it was a pivotal moment for

737
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 7: me where I kind of see my life as existing

738
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 7: before I got that video and after I got that video.

739
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 7: And I only worked at that job for a few

740
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 7: more weeks until I quit and started writing and organizing

741
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 7: or working full time. A few weeks later, Mike Brown

742
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 7: was killed in Ferguson. A young brother in Los Angeles

743
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 7: name Eazel Forr was shot and killed by police. Guy

744
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 7: in Ohio named John Crawford was shot and killed. All

745
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 7: the span of about twenty days or so. A few

746
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 7: months later, almost five years ago to this day, a

747
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 7: twelve year old boy named Tamir Rice was killed. It

748
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 7: would be five years ago on Broad it's five years.

749
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even believe it's been that long.

750
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 5: From Eric honestly, Yeah.

751
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: That shit shook me too. Yeah, I mean it's it's

752
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: they choked.

753
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 7: Me here to think about it. A man was literally

754
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 7: choked to death camera on Broad in broad daylight, big.

755
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 4: Strong man, and no one did anything, even me as

756
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: a ninety eight pound woman. I can't imagine being witnessed

757
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: to that and not being like, what.

758
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: The fuck are you doing?

759
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: I might have been arrested because my instinctual reaction would

760
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: have been like.

761
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: Are you like stop?

762
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 7: Well, people were yelling. It's a different when you're there

763
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 7: in the presence of police, and New York police know

764
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 7: how to be intimidated. No, just on that scene. And

765
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 7: I part of what I do is I sometimes have

766
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 7: to study these videos so I can really unpack and

767
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 7: explain and see clues and you know, just try to

768
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 7: be able to break it down to catch the details.

769
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 7: People on the scene were highly upset, I mean, they

770
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 7: were irate, but it didn't deter them in one in

771
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 7: one way, I mean outside of people have learned a

772
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 7: hard way that if you if you jump on the

773
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 7: police or something like that, you can get yourself shot

774
00:38:51,840 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 7: and kill. Yeah, so's it's a very difficult position for

775
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 7: people to be in. Like in that actual video, you

776
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 7: could tell that people wanted to go in there and intervene,

777
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 7: and but it causes a lot more fear than you

778
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 7: know until you see it.

779
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: You know, I know that recently Eric Gardner's daughter past

780
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 4: and I know you posted something about her having a

781
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: broken heart.

782
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm a conspiracy theorist.

783
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: And living in the United States, which has always been

784
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: rather tricky, and they've always done flick shit specifically to us,

785
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: specifically to people who are aware of their rights and

786
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: aware that shit is fucked up.

787
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: I've read a lot of articles.

788
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 4: About I mean, we're just talking about about Gary Webb

789
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 4: and about Eric Gardner's daughter, and about there's been some

790
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: really active people at Ferguson who have mysteriously died. I'm

791
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: hung in trees and it was ruled a suicide and

792
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 4: with very little media coverage. I don't put shit past

793
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: the United States government because I know they're fucked up

794
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: and I know they don't care. But in your line

795
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: of work and seeing what you see, like you do,

796
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: you feel like the conspiracy theorist, like it's there's some

797
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: truth to it. Do you feel like our government is

798
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: that corrupt? I mean, if you don't want to speak

799
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 4: on a understanding.

800
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I'm not. No, I'm an open book and

801
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 7: so I'm always so. My heart and mind is always

802
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 7: open to any possibility. So, yes, this government and in

803
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 7: this government, like we call it, it's an empire, and

804
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 7: it's an empire if it's Obama's empire, Trump's empire. The

805
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 7: government and its agencies are problematic. No matter who is

806
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 7: at the head of the empire, it's always problematic. But

807
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 7: each of those cases in Ferguson, and I knew Eric Garner, well,

808
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 7: each of those cases you have to look at individually.

809
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 7: There's sometimes I have close friends who still still live

810
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 7: in Ferguson and knew many of the people who died there.

811
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 7: Ferguson was the street that Mike Brown was killed on,

812
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 7: Canfield Drive that went right down the middle of this

813
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 7: apartment complex, and the people who came out to protest.

814
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 7: A lot of the protesters lived rough lives on the margins.

815
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 7: And if any one of those people that we now

816
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 7: know as Ferguson protesters, if they had died in twenty

817
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 7: fifteen or twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen, and there had

818
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 7: never been Ferguson protests, nobody would have known about it.

819
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 7: But there were shootings and deaths and murders happening in

820
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 7: and around Saint Louis and Ferguson all the time. It

821
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 7: just from the people that I've talked with in Ferguson,

822
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 7: you would struggle to find a single person in Ferguson

823
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 7: who thinks it's a deep conspiracy theory of the KKK

824
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 7: or the FBI. Most of the people that knew those individuals,

825
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 7: several of them have horrible health problems, several of them

826
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 7: had deep struggles with depression, several of them have been

827
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 7: involved with multiple incidents of violence before the protests. And

828
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 7: so I actually don't think, in the case of Ferguson

829
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 7: that it's a deep ugly conspiracy theory. I've been around

830
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 7: long enough to know it's not impossible, but I think

831
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 7: it makes for better conversation to call it that. I

832
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 7: think it's just the deep cost of poverty and life

833
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 7: in Black America and.

834
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 5: The stress of this movement. You know, I think that

835
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 5: had as much to do with Erica Garner's death as anything,

836
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 5: you know, but also you know, she was someone living

837
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: life on the margins as well, so it was like

838
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 5: the perfect storm of all those all those different things.

839
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 5: People don't understand.

840
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 7: You know.

841
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 5: There have been times when you know, people that we

842
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 5: worked with have called crying, like activists whose names that

843
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 5: you know, have just been on the phone boohoo, crying,

844
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 5: breaking down because this shit is so heavy, so heavy,

845
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 5: and when you're getting it, like you expect it from

846
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: white supremacists, right, but to you All's point earlier, when

847
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 5: you see black folk and they're coming for you and

848
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 5: you're just kind of catching hell on all sides, like

849
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: that shit is heavy. You don't there's no such thing

850
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 5: as being so big, having so many followers that it

851
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 5: never touches you. That's not that's not a thing.

852
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, I mean it's a corrupt society. But like

853
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 7: even with Erica, the problem of having a family that

854
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 7: this is her father who was who was murdered in

855
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 7: a video that went viral. Erica told me and I

856
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 7: became friends with Erica, her sister, Emerald, Erica's mother, their grandmother,

857
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 7: their children. You know, the trauma that they had to

858
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 7: deal with and relive over and over and over where's

859
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 7: you down the fight for justice in this country? Where's

860
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 7: you down? And then you compound that with people who

861
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 7: already had real hard struggles, and then you put this

862
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 7: difficult struggle for violence, I mean struggle for justice. What

863
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 7: happens is you begin to neglect your personal health, your

864
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 7: well being, your mental health. Literally, people start stop taking

865
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 7: medicines they're supposed to be taken. Like Erica had been hospitalized.

866
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 7: Unbeknownst to a lot of people, she had been hospitalized

867
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 7: a few times before her final hospitalization. You don't post

868
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 7: that on Instagram, like you don't you know, you post your.

869
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 5: Highlights, you don't have the whole picture.

870
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, And so what happens is all of a sudden,

871
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 7: you just learn on the news that she's died, and

872
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 7: it's like you didn't notice she was she was struggling,

873
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 7: and people didn't know that. And the same is true

874
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 7: in Ferguson or in Chicago. There there have been several

875
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 7: activists around the country who committed suicide. And what happens

876
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 7: is people who didn't know those activists and didn't know

877
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 7: the communities they were in, always think is it's like

878
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 7: a targeted assassination. And I get it. I think that

879
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 7: denies the humanity of of these people who, like, there

880
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 7: was a judge here in New York who committed suicide

881
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 7: and it.

882
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 5: Was off the bridge.

883
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

884
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 7: She It was this older black woman who was a judge,

885
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 7: and she had many controversial cases. And because she had

886
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 7: these controversial cases and Trump had just been elected, people

887
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 7: swore that this woman was assassinated because she was a

888
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 7: black judge, or assassinated by the mob or something like that.

889
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 7: And it come to find out she had very very

890
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 7: deep mental health problems that almost nobody knew about, and

891
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 7: she jumped off that bridge. For months, people had deep

892
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 7: thoughts on who did it and why they did it.

893
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 7: And one of the fastest growing communities of people who

894
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 7: are attempting and committing suicide are young black folk, you know,

895
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 7: and it's like, we don't talk about some of our

896
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 7: issues well enough to give people space, Like, no, she

897
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 7: jumped off that bridge.

898
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: It's one of the reasons I really, as much as

899
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 5: I can try to talk about mental health and you know,

900
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 5: trying to do my part to help destigmatize it in

901
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 5: the black community. I grew up with the mom who

902
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 5: was just like all I need is Jesus, you know

903
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, all you need is Jesus, all we

904
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 5: gotta do is pray about it, you know, all that

905
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, and then just like actually, no, you know,

906
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 5: like maybe not. You know what I'm saying, It's fine

907
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 5: if we need to talk to somebody else and you know,

908
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 5: get help, and we're not beyond that as a community.

909
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 5: You know, Unfortunately it's not very accessible to a lot

910
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 5: of black and brown folks. It's expensive, insurance doesn't cover it,

911
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, and so there are all

912
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 5: these other obstacles in the way. But yeah, I agree

913
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 5: with you. Like sometimes I'm like, he committed suicide from

914
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 5: a tree.

915
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

916
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 7: Black people, it's hard to it is hard to believe,

917
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 7: you know, Like I think.

918
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 5: Just trust, That's what it is.

919
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 6: There's so much distrust that we don't we don't know

920
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 6: what to believe anymore.

921
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 7: I think, I think what you have to do, like

922
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 7: so say, in that particular case, let's pull his story

923
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 7: out from the rest of those stories. And I think

924
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 7: though the when you combine all of them that it

925
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 7: looks like a like a real deep, dark story that's

926
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 7: going on. Maybe that individual case is one, but I

927
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 7: mean I knew at least two of the guys who died,

928
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 7: and I mean they were living life on the edge,

929
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 7: and you know they they had they had multiple enemies,

930
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 7: and they were living in communities where people did crazy stuff.

931
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 7: And you know one of my friends who passed away,

932
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 7: and Ferguson, I mean, he had serious chronic health problems

933
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 7: and drug addictions. And I people keep throwing his name

934
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 7: in that group of names of Ferguson activists and it's like, listen,

935
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 7: guy had major health problems and drug addictions. And that

936
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 7: takes people out every single day. And so we just

937
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 7: had to give everybody the space to be to be human.

938
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have one last question, or do you have

939
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 6: any No, Okay, I have a question because we have

940
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 6: a lot we do have white like white followers. Shout

941
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 6: out to Nellie, hey girl who ask us how they

942
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 6: can be allies?

943
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: You know how no word, how you worded it when

944
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: you text me. She was like, I have this question please.

945
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 6: I said, how can non people of color be better allies?

946
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 6: And how can white people use their privilege to help

947
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 6: the marginalized?

948
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 5: Yeah?

949
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 6: And she thought it was funny, but I'm serious.

950
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: How can my people use their privilege to help.

951
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, because let's be real, they got the privilege and

952
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 6: they have the space to do that more so than us.

953
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 5: Right. What I always say, because this comes up a

954
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 5: lot because when you do diversity work, you're mostly talking

955
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 5: to white people, you know what I'm saying. And so

956
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 5: even when you all said white women and I said problematic,

957
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 5: I was just like, you know, maybe not. One of

958
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 5: my best friends is white. So I don't mean to

959
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 5: like say all white women are problematic, but I think

960
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 5: enough of them are, and particularly the liberal ones who

961
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 5: think they've all they've arrived, they've done the work. They're

962
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 5: so woke, like they can't be this or that. And

963
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 5: so that's why that's probably why problematic came to mind,

964
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 5: because I work with a lot of those types. But

965
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 5: I think the best thing that white women can do

966
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 5: is talk to white people, like go get your friends.

967
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 7: You know, like.

968
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 5: Seriously, when you're around the Thanksgiving dinner table or you're

969
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 5: you're hooking up with people for Christmas or whatever. Like

970
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 5: I know, some white people to get along with their families,

971
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 5: kind of hold their tongues and you know, don't speak

972
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 5: their peace and don't challenge. But that's where you're going

973
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 5: to be most useful as white people is to check

974
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 5: your own people.

975
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 7: In my opinion, well, yeah, yeah, I think they do

976
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 7: need even instructions, even on what that means instruction.

977
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: Emails.

978
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 6: With instructions, I'm like, yes, step one, you're going you're

979
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 6: going to hear my voice.

980
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 7: I try to make sure you talk to Yeah, yeah,

981
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 7: you know. Well, well, first off, I try to communicate

982
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 7: all of us have some level of privilege, and so

983
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 7: when people I try to communicate this, even when I

984
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 7: travel a country and speak, I often speak to white

985
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 7: audiences as well, and how I try to help them

986
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 7: understand that they have privileges that all of us, particularly

987
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 7: in the context of the world as as Americans, we

988
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 7: have privileges that and levels of privilege that people around

989
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 7: the world might not have. As people who can you

990
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 7: all traveled from Los Angeles to New York, as as

991
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 7: cross country travelers, we have privilege. You know, the access

992
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 7: to the technology we have as a privilege. All people

993
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 7: have levels of privilege. Instead, in this country, there are

994
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 7: certain people that have like a whole toolbox full of privilege,

995
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 7: and it's trying to help people understand, well, how can

996
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 7: you use those things and there are a few things

997
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 7: that I see and it's a complaint that I hear

998
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 7: often from black organizers and activists who find white people

999
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 7: to be flaky in their commitment to justice and because

1000
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 7: they have the privilege of checking in and checking out,

1001
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 7: because it may not the issue may not be a

1002
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 7: bigotry or racism or white supremacy or whatever the issue

1003
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 7: is police brutality. The issue may not impact them the

1004
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 7: way it impacts us. So whereas we don't have an

1005
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 7: option to check out, people often find white people's commitment

1006
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 7: to these causes to be some timing. And you know,

1007
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 7: one of the biggest pieces of advice, and I talk

1008
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 7: about this in my book, is to just have a

1009
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 7: long lasting commitment to whatever it is the cause that

1010
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 7: you are going to commit yourself to. If you're going

1011
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 7: to commit yourself to racial justice or social justice or

1012
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 7: ending mass incarceration, whatever that is, make a lifelong commitment,

1013
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 7: Make a long term commitment, and.

1014
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 5: A long term commitment to checking yourself, like never allow

1015
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 5: yourself to believe that you have arrived, that you're learning

1016
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 5: gets to stop and you know what you need to know,

1017
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 5: like commit to that as well.

1018
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then also the other I get several complaints

1019
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 7: from well meaning black activists who are trying to make

1020
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 7: space for white people and they're organizing. One is that

1021
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 7: they're flaky and not committed. That when stuff gets weird,

1022
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 7: when stuff gets messy, if there's a confrontation or moment,

1023
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 7: at the first hint of tension or difficulty, they bail.

1024
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 7: So just be so admit it that you'll see your

1025
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 7: way through problems or fallouts or disagreements. The second thing

1026
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 7: that I would say is I get the complaint that

1027
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 7: like white folk are often overbearing in black spaces, like

1028
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 7: sometimes over communicative, like when you first enter these spaces,

1029
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 7: like talk less and listen more, like commit yourself to

1030
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 7: learning how these spaces really operate. And like I'm not

1031
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 7: saying just completely shut up. There'll be a place for

1032
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 7: you to talk, but like, don't come in and expect

1033
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 7: to be vice president of whatever the work is, Like no,

1034
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 7: I mean come bring refreshments there early, Like it make

1035
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 7: your commitments so real that you show up early and

1036
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 7: leave late, Like do things that are gonna build real

1037
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 7: credibility where people have been doing the work since long

1038
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 7: before you showed up. And that's not that's that's not magic.

1039
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 7: It's just being consistent and doing the hard work. It's

1040
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 7: it's chip chipping in financially. I mean, there's just lots

1041
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 7: of practical things that people can do. And and then

1042
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 7: you know, be quick to acknowledge if you've made a mistake.

1043
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so big. Like, don't shut down because you're

1044
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 5: afraid of saying the wrong thing or you're uncomfortable.

1045
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to be awkward, right, Okay, Like if

1046
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 6: you did acknowledge it, acknowledge it. Friend, don't say the

1047
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 6: N word number step number one right.

1048
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 4: Hard, don't try to be two down relaxed, right, Yeah.

1049
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: I mean I think at the end of the day,

1050
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: we're the we are the people that it's happening to.

1051
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 4: So you do have to sit back and relax and listen. Yeah,

1052
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 4: because you can't. You can't navigate from this space no

1053
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 4: matter how many black friends you have.

1054
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I had to have a conversation with

1055
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 5: a white woman in a space because we were talking

1056
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 5: about Tannahikats's new book, The Water Dancer, and you know,

1057
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 5: we were just you know, saying, oh, yeah, you know,

1058
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 5: let's do a book group where let's you know, put

1059
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 5: it out there and talk to people about it, and

1060
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 5: this white woman like super woke, you know. It was

1061
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 5: just like yeah, but I have a problem with him.

1062
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, really, like what and she

1063
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 5: was just like, you know, in his last book, he

1064
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 5: said some things and I was just so offended by

1065
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: the things that he said, you know, about black women.

1066
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 5: And I was like, you listen, you were offended like

1067
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 5: on behalf of black women, Like are you serious right now?

1068
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 5: Like here we are black women in the room having

1069
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 5: a conversation about this man, and listen, think whatever you

1070
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 5: want whatever. Like we as black women, I feel like,

1071
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 5: have the space to fall on different sides about that

1072
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 5: or what have you. But you, as the lone white

1073
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 5: woman in the room, shouldn't be introducing your feelings about

1074
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 5: this man on behalf of black women, Like it's just

1075
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 5: not necessary, you know, just there's.

1076
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: Enough of us to speak.

1077
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: Up, support our fight, don't start the fight.

1078
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 4: And don't try to compare whatever you've gone through to

1079
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: this fight.

1080
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't like if I bring.

1081
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: Up something historical, that doesn't mean you have to bring

1082
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 4: up the Holocaust.

1083
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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you have to bring up.

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00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 4: You know, if there was a group that was called

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 4: black women that I mean white women, da da da,

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 4: everybody be offended. You don't have to be in competition

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00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 4: with the fight.

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00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have one.

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00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 5: A pression Olympics.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a pression Olympics that irritates me. You know,

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Speaker 4: Like sometimes like I've had conversations and it's just like, well,

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: you act like this, and it's just like a very

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00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: different it's a very different thing when we live in

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00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: the country where the ship has taking place, where it's

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00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 4: been systematic, where there's all these things in line, like

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about your white delicate feelings

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00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: in this conversation.

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00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Well it's very late, yes, and we appreciate you. Guys

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: said your baby's out there.

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 5: She's drawing something really cool. What is that?

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: I was like, what's she looking at it?

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00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 5: Let me find out she's also an artist.

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00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: This is creative and after.

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00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 5: Ya might be seeing her in a commercial s.

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00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: Going to put that out there. It's happening to be famous.

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00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 5: She needs an agent in l A. I got her.

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00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: America is the agent hook up?

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00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 5: Oh really?

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you guys, so very very very very much.

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00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: We look forward to your book coming out in.

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Speaker 5: March and your podcast.

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00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 5: Oh, we'll see I mean, no, it's coming. No, it's

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00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 5: definitely coming when we're halfway down with it already. But

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Speaker 5: I just again going back to the thing about, you know,

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00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 5: not wanting to be well known or whatever. I'm still

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 5: like taking baby steps with this whole you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's important. The conversation is important. And even

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Speaker 4: like with us, this was a mistake. We weren't supposed

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00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 4: to be doing this. It just was like something that

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00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 4: fell in. But it's necessary. Yeah, our black women's voices

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 4: are necessary. What we have to say is important. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I commend you guys for putting putting yourselves

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Speaker 4: out there, and.

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Speaker 5: Same to you. You all do some brave stuff all

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00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 5: your social media media. Seriously, I was like scrolling through

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00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 5: and I was like, wow, Like they just they went there,

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00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 5: they did that, they said that. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: and I appreciate that you all don't feel bound by

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00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 5: society's expectations of us as black women and mothers and

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff. So same to you, Thank you,

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Speaker 5: thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Where can they find Where can the listeners find you?

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 7: Of several places, I'm all over the internet. Don't Google me,

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 7: and don't look at my Wikipedia page.

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01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what it says.

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01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 7: No, no, no, you really can't. You really can't edit the

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01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 7: Wikipedia page that's up. No, like you have to be

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Speaker 7: an approved Wikipedia editor to do that. But I'm at

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01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 7: Sean King on all the social media platforms. But we

1142
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 7: have a company that we've started, the north Star, so

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01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 7: people can go to the Northstar dot com. We have

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01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 7: articles and podcasts and more. We have a new website

1145
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 7: that will be coming out in a couple of weeks,

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01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 7: and we have a podcast that's coming out. And you

1147
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 7: can find Ray on Instagram. What's your handle, Ray King?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, r Ai yeah, r Ai yeah yeah.

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01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 7: And so we're gonna keep doing the work. But yeah,

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01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 7: we enjoy talking with you all and glad to spend

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01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 7: some time with you.

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01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 5: Thank you you guys. Next barbecue let us know main

1153
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 5: turkey burger?

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01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: Oh really?

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01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 5: Yeah? I likes to eat.

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Speaker 6: All right, y'all, Well, you know where to find us

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01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 6: at Good Mom's Underscore, Bad Choices. Make sure to join

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01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 6: our newsletter at Good Moms, Bad Choices dot com.

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 5: And we will see you guys next week.

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Speaker 4: Bye.