WEBVTT - Ep25 Jen Horsey

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another episode of Car Stories with some

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<v Speaker 1>Kay and Amelia Hartford. It is so great that we

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<v Speaker 1>both plan to match today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Military Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Song and I are both wearing green pants and

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<v Speaker 1>a white shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your favorite pizza in the world?

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<v Speaker 1>Favorite pizza?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pizza place?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, pizza place?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pizza Yeah. Where do you get like your last pizza,

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<v Speaker 2>your slice of pizza?

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<v Speaker 1>Where would you go if I were to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about a pizza place I've had recently, It's Mulberry Pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>Mulberry Prime or issue my two go Tos? What about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Domino's pizza?

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<v Speaker 1>You like Dominoes?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's Domina's the best pizza in the world. Really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have to agree to news story. I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>me wrong. Dominoes is good. But don't think I might

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<v Speaker 1>just like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little people under to make the power of a franchise

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<v Speaker 2>the reason. It's good. It's good. That's good, it's good,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great. It is good. But it's the Big Mac

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<v Speaker 2>is the best tasting hamburger in the world. Okay, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's served over three billion people probably by now.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could agree with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if there was no McDonald's okay, and I put

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<v Speaker 2>and okay. If there was no McDonald's, no Dominoes and

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<v Speaker 2>no KFC, and you came over to my house and

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<v Speaker 2>I put a Domino's pizza in front of.

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<v Speaker 1>You, it'd be too much for me.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, okay, and I give you a

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<v Speaker 2>slice of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't talking about like too much food. It

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<v Speaker 1>would just be like what too much? Too much everything,

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<v Speaker 1>like a cheese pizza, it's like overdone. I like simple,

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<v Speaker 1>like okay.

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<v Speaker 2>If I came over with my house and I put

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<v Speaker 2>there's no McDonald's and I put a big Mac in

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<v Speaker 2>front of you, you would say this is the best

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<v Speaker 2>that it's processed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because you know, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm Jayden, but I know based on recently in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>when I went to Starbucks, I got a Machia Late

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<v Speaker 1>and then I came back to the States and I

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<v Speaker 1>got a Macho Lte and it tasted completely different and

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<v Speaker 1>it was so much better in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not my point. It's not my point. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>there is no But.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd much rather go support a mom and Pop play.

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<v Speaker 1>I could be like the food drink taste better there.

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<v Speaker 2>Pop opened a Hamburger spot.

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<v Speaker 1>The only one you could convince me on is Taco Bell.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's gross. No, okay, okay, let's have about KFC

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<v Speaker 2>argument if you came to that in so long. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>for the chicken people out there, if I made a

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<v Speaker 2>KFC original recipe at my house, people would think that

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<v Speaker 2>is the best chicken ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I can tell a difference between fresh

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<v Speaker 1>ingredients versus non fresh, frozen preservative ingredients.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, if I made the same recipe with fresh

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<v Speaker 2>organic chicken from Whole Food or Ariwon, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>the best chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it would be great because it wouldn't upset

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<v Speaker 1>my stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why there's a KFC because it was the

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<v Speaker 2>At one time, it was a mom and pop. At

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<v Speaker 2>one time, McDonald's was a mom and pop.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't compare. We're talking about the food today, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't compare it to what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, this is anyway. My vote is Domino's Pizza the

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<v Speaker 2>best pizza. And you say Mulberry, Okay, I know Mulberry

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<v Speaker 2>is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that's what I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't convince you that Dominoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like I asked myself out of working

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<v Speaker 1>with so many potential brands.

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<v Speaker 2>No you didn't no, no, no, no, no like Dominoes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well yeah he a Dominos. I love you guys. Anyway, So,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of awesome thing, right, our first guest today is.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen Horsey, and I am just constantly impressed with Jen,

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<v Speaker 1>from being a racing driver, from a journalist to being

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<v Speaker 1>the first female analyst on ESPN for sports.

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<v Speaker 2>She's about giving back and paying forward and creating opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>for other people's dreams to happen, and she arrives in

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<v Speaker 2>that and it's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't usually take the spotlight, is usually the one

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<v Speaker 1>helping others behind the scenes, so it's really nice for

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<v Speaker 1>her to come on and just get to know her

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<v Speaker 1>on a more public scale.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I hear that she can make some mean pastries.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to croissants, Jen, please.

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<v Speaker 2>So without further ado, Jen Horsey, So, Jens, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you so much for coming today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, guys, I'm super happy to be here. I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of know you from different world, so it was cool

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<v Speaker 3>to see get the invitation and be able to join

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<v Speaker 3>your great podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We like to have people on who inspire us, and

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<v Speaker 1>if someone want to look at your resume, they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy crap, this is possible in a lifetime and you

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<v Speaker 1>did what and you've done how much that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know where to begin. I kind of want people

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<v Speaker 1>to hear who are listening from you a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself and how you got to work today before

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of dive into everything. How did this all

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<v Speaker 1>start for you? I don't have like a straight path,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. When I was a little kid, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>grow up in a car household. I didn't follow racing.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know anything about cars at all. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be a journalist from a really young age. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm just curious about people. I'm curious about

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<v Speaker 1>what makes people tick, and also recognize that you could

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<v Speaker 1>go and do a lot of cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wanted to be in it. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be watching things from a distance. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be sitting behind a desk. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>in it. So I was like, Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a journalist. So of course I went to theater

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<v Speaker 3>school because that's practical, and I have a technical theater degree.

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<v Speaker 3>You do, Yeah, I did lighting design. That was that

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<v Speaker 3>was my experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, she could tell me anything and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't be surprised.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So partly because I knew that would be fun. I

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<v Speaker 3>love the theater environment. I thought I would meet really

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<v Speaker 3>interesting people, which I did. Yeah, did you grow up Toronto?

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm originally from Toronto to school in the East

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<v Speaker 3>Coast and Halifax at Dalhousie University. And while I was

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<v Speaker 3>in school, I was like promoting bands on the side

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<v Speaker 3>and then also being a freelance writer and working in

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<v Speaker 3>campus radio and my student paper, and I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to do the experiential path. I'm not super into school,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think everyone should go to school. I think

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<v Speaker 3>degrees are great. It's not my favorite environment. So I thought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well I'll do the school because I have to get

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<v Speaker 3>the piece of paper, but I'm going to get a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of experience. So I went through and did the

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<v Speaker 3>experiential route to becoming a journalist. Got an internship at

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<v Speaker 3>Canadian Press, which is Canada's associated press. It's the Why service,

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<v Speaker 3>which turned into a full time job so my first career,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a journalist. So first career, yes, just to

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<v Speaker 3>date myself completely, my first big story was nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was a junior reporter. At that time. News

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<v Speaker 3>is obviously twenty four to seven. The wire in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>it's sort of like that for everyone now because of

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet. But again this is like early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 3>The Internet played a really different role in our lives,

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<v Speaker 3>and I soon realized I was never seeing my friends

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<v Speaker 3>and family. I was a junior reporter, so I worked

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of nights. I worked a lot of weekends,

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<v Speaker 3>and I learned quickly that as long as there was

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<v Speaker 3>something in the slot beside your name on the assignment board,

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<v Speaker 3>they just skipped and went to the next one, and

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<v Speaker 3>you could just do whatever you wrote in the slot.

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<v Speaker 3>If you chose your own destiny and just followed your interest,

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<v Speaker 3>you could choose what you wanted to do that day. So,

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<v Speaker 3>because I was working a lot of evenings and weekends,

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<v Speaker 3>I used to assign myself on the weekends to things

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<v Speaker 3>that I thought would be interesting that I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>any experience in, and that potentially I could bring my

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<v Speaker 3>friends and family too, So at least I would see

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<v Speaker 3>them because I wasn't seeing them. So weekend I assigned

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<v Speaker 3>myself to a rally. I did not know the difference

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<v Speaker 3>between a car rally and a political rally. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>knew that this was car racing, I knew nothing about it,

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<v Speaker 3>literally nothing. So I went to the stage rally. It

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<v Speaker 3>was the Canadian Season Ender Championship to be decided. High stakes,

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<v Speaker 3>everyone going super fast, and that particular race is called

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<v Speaker 3>the Rally of the Tall Pines. It's one of North

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<v Speaker 3>America's most notorious I now know notorious difficult, late night

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<v Speaker 3>grueling races. I know of people who have injured themselves

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<v Speaker 3>pretty seriously just hitting a jump wrong. And it's known

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<v Speaker 3>as winter roads with summer ditches, which is to say

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<v Speaker 3>it's the conditions can be very icy, but there's no

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<v Speaker 3>snow to catch you if you fall off the road,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's a pretty gnarly race. I went out. I

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<v Speaker 3>was standing in the woods and I watched this red

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<v Speaker 3>Mitsubichi Lance Revolution come careening around a corner flat out sideways,

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<v Speaker 3>passed inches from me out of forty five degree angle

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<v Speaker 3>to the road direction, and I was like, wait, that

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<v Speaker 3>guy's doing that on purpose, Like you can slide a

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<v Speaker 3>car sideways on purpose and not crash, and I was hooked.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I got to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 3>do that, Like I wasn't hooked, like I need to

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<v Speaker 3>watch this more. I was like, I need to know

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<v Speaker 3>how to do that, like I wouldn't be able to

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<v Speaker 3>go sideways on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where it gets a little bit ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>We had to go to the banquet afterwards. Sitting at

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<v Speaker 3>the banquet tit table and there's like twelve people around

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<v Speaker 3>a table and the table is you know, seven time

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<v Speaker 3>Canadian rally champion, shop that builds all the best cars,

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<v Speaker 3>guy that won the race, a couple friends and family,

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<v Speaker 3>fifty five year old man sitting to my left and

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<v Speaker 3>his wife. And I did not know there was such

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<v Speaker 3>a thing as a privateer in racing. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>you could just be in a car race. So I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, okay, I get all this and looked around

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the table. But like, mister mann beside me,

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<v Speaker 3>whose name was Keith, how did you get here? And

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, you know, my wife and I would have

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<v Speaker 3>been racing for the last four or five years. It's

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<v Speaker 3>been super fun, really enjoyed it. But I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to sell the car and put the money into

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<v Speaker 3>the boat. And I was like, huh, well, how much

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<v Speaker 3>is a race car? How much does that cost? He

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<v Speaker 3>gave me a number. Turns out it wasn't very big,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, well, I'll buy it. And that's the

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<v Speaker 3>day I became a race car driver.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, after seeing this car go sideways through the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, I love this, I want more. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a car and I'm going to learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to rally race.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I went from you know, pretty fun in

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<v Speaker 3>amazing career interviewing. You know, I interviewed Bill Clinton, I

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<v Speaker 3>talked to Nelson, Mandela Garth Brooks one day, crime and

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<v Speaker 3>politics and all sorts of things amazing, but also felt

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<v Speaker 3>like I'd kind of done it. And then I had

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<v Speaker 3>this opportunity to do this wild thing on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 3>So I bought a race car and I started racing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was a race car driver for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually a lot of talent, Yeah, I as.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm terrible. I'm a terrible race car driver.

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<v Speaker 3>I've also tested to do some stunt driving, and I

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<v Speaker 3>can kind of do it because I can slid a

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<v Speaker 3>car sideways like I'm better than a regular sort of

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<v Speaker 3>civilian driver, but like, no, I'm a terrible car driver.

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<v Speaker 3>But as it turned out, I also don't have the

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<v Speaker 3>car sickness gene. So although I was terrible driver, the

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<v Speaker 3>experience that I got behind the wheel showed me that

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<v Speaker 3>I actually could probably be a pretty good navigator. So

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<v Speaker 3>in stage rally there's a driver and a co driver.

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<v Speaker 3>The co driver is more a navigational role. No, I

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<v Speaker 3>do not get car sick and I had some opportunities

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<v Speaker 3>because I was still working as a journalist, I had

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<v Speaker 3>some opportunities to do some competition and kind of cover

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<v Speaker 3>it from inside the cars for features for magazines. I

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<v Speaker 3>pitched some stories that would be fun and learned that

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<v Speaker 3>I actually was a pretty good navigator. So I competed

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<v Speaker 3>for fun in regionals in the middle of the back

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<v Speaker 3>of the pack. I wasn't last, but I certainly wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>going to win, and became a relatively successful co driver.

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<v Speaker 3>But also I'm kind of scrappy, So I parlayed my

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<v Speaker 3>media skill into working with the US Rally series, doing

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<v Speaker 3>online media coverage and helping them with their pr and

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<v Speaker 3>helping them with their marketing and that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 3>I fell into this car world. I did not imagine

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<v Speaker 3>that I would my life would take that significant and

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<v Speaker 3>left turn at the banquet of my first race. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's how I got into cars. And I've been doing

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<v Speaker 3>car stuff now since the early two thousands and met

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of fantastic people along the way and heard

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of great stories along the way, And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what drew me to it in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, forty five degree angle sideways to the road amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>But like what makes everybody tick was what always fascinated me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I love that I've had the opportunity to be

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<v Speaker 3>part of this community for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been rally racing song? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I never raced, been on cars.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, do you get carsick in cars? No?

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<v Speaker 2>It puts me to sleep really.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, would you like to be a co driver

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<v Speaker 3>because you are biologically equipped to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you a nervous passenger?

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<v Speaker 1>No? If I go to Thank God, I'm all the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, most race car drivers are terrible passengers.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't passenger well and I will puke. I'd get

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<v Speaker 1>so nauseous in a car if I'm not the one

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<v Speaker 1>in control. If I'm in the back seat, especially, i'm done,

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<v Speaker 1>it's game over.

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<v Speaker 3>I always tell people they're like, wow, can you be

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<v Speaker 3>a co driver? I'm like, okay, Well, when you were

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<v Speaker 3>a kid, were you the kid lying with your head

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<v Speaker 3>in the foot well upside down, reading comic books, chewing

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<v Speaker 3>on really sweet gum, and like smelling all the gas

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<v Speaker 3>fumes and just kind of feeling fine about all that.

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<v Speaker 3>If so, then yes you can be a co driver.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've ever once in your life been carsick, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't take in airplanes. No, no, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry? You get sick an airplane?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have to be in control.

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<v Speaker 2>The best sleep something there is when the plane's taking off.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as it lifts off, ninety nine percent I

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<v Speaker 2>pass out.

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<v Speaker 3>I usually sleep on planes too. Maybe it's part of

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<v Speaker 3>the like anti carsickness gene.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't do it feels so good. I'm a moment I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like out, So it's it's I look forward to flying,

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<v Speaker 2>and I look forward to taking ride alongs with like

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<v Speaker 2>race car drivers and drifters because it's so relaxing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's super relaxing.

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<v Speaker 3>I can think of some people who would like to

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<v Speaker 3>have you in their right seat.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, but I'm horrible with directions. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>i'd be a good navigator.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not really directions, it's a whole language. So yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really different. I actually can get lost pretty easily

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm not paying attention. So navigating does not look

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<v Speaker 3>to the navigator like a race at all. Navigating looks

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<v Speaker 3>like reading a book. The code driver can't necessarily even

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<v Speaker 3>see over the dashboard because obviously for weight balance, you

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<v Speaker 3>guys know cars, the code driver is kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>piece of equipment, and the co driver should be down

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<v Speaker 3>as far as they can and back as far as

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<v Speaker 3>they can, so barely seeing over the dashboard is pretty normal.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm tall enough that I can usually see, but just barely.

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<v Speaker 3>And the language of stage rally is the turns are

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<v Speaker 3>coated in numbers, and so it's like a left one

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<v Speaker 3>would be a hairpin turn, and a left three would

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<v Speaker 3>be a ninety degree left turn. And it's depending on

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<v Speaker 3>what system you use. It's a numeric scale from one

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<v Speaker 3>to six typically, And unlike in desert racing, where it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of they're telling you about gotcha's, in stage rally

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<v Speaker 3>code driving, they have everything in the book. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>a constant stream of the co driver just talking, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred, which would be like one hundred yards one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred left four titans and opens right six left six

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred, Like you're just constantly and so as I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying that people who compete in rally, I'm painting a road.

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<v Speaker 3>The idea is that the driver can drive ahead of

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<v Speaker 3>their eyes. It can be safer because if I say

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<v Speaker 3>left three over crest, that's a ninety degree turn over

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<v Speaker 3>the top of that hill that you can't see over,

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<v Speaker 3>so you should probably have the wheelcock to the left

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<v Speaker 3>before you get to the top of that hill. If

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<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, I say flat overcrest, pin it

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<v Speaker 3>and go straight, like get as much air as you can.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but as I say, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It is pretty fun. And I got to ride in

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<v Speaker 3>really fast race cars doing amazing things for a number

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<v Speaker 3>of years. It was it was really fun. And when

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<v Speaker 3>it's working and you have a good vibe with the driver,

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<v Speaker 3>it's you're like.

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<v Speaker 1>Sharing a brain.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's very cool. Like you feel like as a

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<v Speaker 3>co driver, I have a really clear mental image in

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<v Speaker 3>my head of the road that we're on, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>my eyes are flickering up a little bit, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the tree line to see if it's bending

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<v Speaker 3>the way that I expect it to be bending. Very

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<v Speaker 3>occasionally and mostly kind of doing the uh girometer that's

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<v Speaker 3>in in my body and understanding where I am on

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<v Speaker 3>the on the course. And it is amazing fun and

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<v Speaker 3>when it clicks it it really is like you're one person.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very cool and you're one with the car.

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<v Speaker 2>What characteristics makes a great symbiotic co driving and driving relationship?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I heard the act of being a co driver

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<v Speaker 3>is described once as doing calculus in a hurricane. If

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<v Speaker 3>you feel like you can figure that out, that's your

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<v Speaker 3>You're in a good position. Boats that's another one. Can't

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely not me. I'm opposite of the stereotype my co driver. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot do math.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't actually have to do that focus and.

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<v Speaker 2>Even that I have like add so and I'll fall

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<v Speaker 2>asleep on it.

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<v Speaker 4>We will die, we will die.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you the first ever female to report on ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>in in that space?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, In the end, I started out as a researcher. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>I just follow my heart right, so I would be

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<v Speaker 3>sitting in the booth. So if you think about how

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<v Speaker 3>a motorsport show works, usually there's like a play by

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<v Speaker 3>play person and then there's an analyst person, and the

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<v Speaker 3>analyst person is typically an ex competitor and the play

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<v Speaker 3>by play person. That's like a whole skill set of

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<v Speaker 3>being able to call the action. At X games. Because

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<v Speaker 3>the sport was so new, there wasn't an analyst person.

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<v Speaker 3>There wasn't an experienced person, so they brought in and

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<v Speaker 3>a number of people who know a lot about racing,

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<v Speaker 3>but not a lot about that particular sport because it

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of a niche sport at the time, And

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<v Speaker 3>so I was assisting them and I would sort of

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<v Speaker 3>be handing from like when they weren't on camera, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be handing them like note cards with like you should

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<v Speaker 3>say this now, this is what's happening with that car.

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<v Speaker 3>That cars debeated attire, like whatever. It is. A couple

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<v Speaker 3>years in, I took you oute to compete. We front

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<v Speaker 3>flipped very spectacularly. We were highlight reel footage for a

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<v Speaker 3>really long time. Then I was brought back as an

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<v Speaker 3>in car reporter, so it was head to head racing.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't really need co drivers, so they hired two

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<v Speaker 3>co drivers to effectively co drive the audience, so we

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<v Speaker 3>were miked live to air as reporters in the race

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<v Speaker 3>cars as they raced head to head, and then eventually

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<v Speaker 3>they asked me to sit in the booth as an analyst,

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<v Speaker 3>so as an ex competitor most knowledgeable about the sport

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<v Speaker 3>to provide context. And I believe I was the first

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<v Speaker 3>female motorsport analyst, so I like predate Danica Patrick by

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<v Speaker 3>a little while the role that she plays on the

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<v Speaker 3>Indie Car prodcast. I am much more comfortable behind the

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<v Speaker 3>scenes supporting people than I am being in the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 3>So I challenged myself to do that TV for a

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<v Speaker 3>number of years, but it's not a natural place for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you always been such an unmotivated person?

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<v Speaker 3>And I say that jokingly, you know, I think if

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<v Speaker 3>you're I think if you're chasing the thing that interests you,

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<v Speaker 3>and I tend to be like singularly passionate about a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you're motivated because it sort of becomes

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<v Speaker 3>your raison d'etre, for better or for worse. What actually

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<v Speaker 3>inspires me every day is that there are people who

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<v Speaker 3>are really good at the thing that they do as

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<v Speaker 3>race car drivers, as builders, as you know, key figures

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<v Speaker 3>in the community. They're really good at that. That does

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<v Speaker 3>not mean they're good at marketing. That doesn't mean they're

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<v Speaker 3>good at communications. It doesn't mean that they have the

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<v Speaker 3>time or the inclination or the interest in doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I love to see is those people who

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<v Speaker 3>are incredibly good at a thing have the chance to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. So what inspires me is giving those people

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<v Speaker 3>the funding, the time, the space to really shine and

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<v Speaker 3>show what they're capable of. And so that's what motivates me, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>and how do you How are you not an ambitious,

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<v Speaker 3>motivated person when you get an opportunity to support amazing

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<v Speaker 3>things happening in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful. That's beautiful that it's so selfless, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's amazing that you know, most of the

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<v Speaker 2>time we see the people in front of the camera,

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<v Speaker 2>but it takes people like you to fan the flames

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, even with all the skill sets in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have a thing that you're really passionate about,

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<v Speaker 3>like why waste your time on other stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Like stuff is great at marketing, he can do all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of things, but wouldn't be great if you just

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<v Speaker 3>had hours in the day to work in the shop,

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<v Speaker 3>Like how amazing is that? How much better is that output?

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<v Speaker 3>How much more satisfying is that for him? How much

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<v Speaker 3>better are all our days?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, exactly being part of it and supporting

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<v Speaker 3>it and watching sort of genius come to fruition, that's

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<v Speaker 3>really satisfying.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. And Also I was listening to a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>you had. I think it was an antidote about you

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<v Speaker 2>teaching somebody how to drive manual, and the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>you teach them is how to fail, like how to

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<v Speaker 2>stall right, and when you start from there, then you

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<v Speaker 2>can build on that. And to me, I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that is amazing insight that's just so smart, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like so insightful, and it's something that I would have

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<v Speaker 2>never came up with. And it's this like natural ability

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<v Speaker 2>to teach, you know. And I wonder, like, where do

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<v Speaker 2>you get that from?

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<v Speaker 3>That is a question I don't know the answer to.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've always been an observer, right, I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to be a journalist. I wanted to observe and see

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<v Speaker 3>things and translate them into I think capture the moment,

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<v Speaker 3>capture the essence of the thing, communicate those things out.

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<v Speaker 3>So am I a teacher or my communicator? Maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a communicator. It may be about storytelling around around the thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and certainly with teaching somebody to drive stick. Yeah, absolutely,

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 3>you should stall a car, like, don't be afraid of that,

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<v Speaker 3>or you're never going to learn. So you do. You

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<v Speaker 3>do have to learn how to overcome failure, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty small failure, I think, especially, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>maybe a little bit about having been an outsider to

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 3>the automotive world when I joined it. I learned to

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<v Speaker 3>drive stick in my twenties. I didn't Again, I didn't

0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.920
<v Speaker 3>grow up in car culture, so as a young woman

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<v Speaker 3>at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I was afraid of a lot of stuff of cars.

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<v Speaker 3>And the first time I was sitting with a race

0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.240
<v Speaker 3>car driver in the right seat showing me how to drive,

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, so you've seen in the movies every time

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<v Speaker 3>you hit a curb the car flips over six times

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 3>and burst into flame. You know that's not actually what happens.

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:39.679
<v Speaker 3>We're going to crash today and it's going to be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, okay, that's cool. And I think, especially with

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<v Speaker 3>young women, especially the way young women are conditioned to

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<v Speaker 3>really succeed. I think there are some differences in the

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<v Speaker 3>socialization with young boys and young women. I think girls

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 3>the way that we play as children and we collaborate together,

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<v Speaker 3>and also the way that we perform in school. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Mormans were really expected to be perfect. I think

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.199
<v Speaker 3>there's a perfectionist tendency that girls are socialized around that

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 3>is less prevalent among boys. I think boys the definition

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 3>of success for young boys can be different than academic

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 3>success or perfection or you know, you're so pretty, you're

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 3>so smart for girls, right like, I think there's a

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.520
<v Speaker 3>there's a judgment thing where the boys have a little

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<v Speaker 3>more flexibility, and so I think that teaches young women,

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.679
<v Speaker 3>young girls as they become young women, to fear failure

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. And with cars especially, it's you're going

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:35.920
<v Speaker 3>to fail. You're not going to learn unless you fail.

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:38.880
<v Speaker 3>So when you're at the racetrack, all the guys are

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 3>like lined up on the fence watching the guys on

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 3>the track, like fling their cars around before they go

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 3>out for their session. And for me, it was really

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 3>interesting to learn how collaborative it was and that there

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 3>wasn't really a lot of judgment, like they were just watching,

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 3>they were just participating. And I think as girls, you

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 3>feel a little bit more pressure to succeed and a

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 3>little bit more pressure to be perfect. I don't think

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 3>there's as much experimentation, and I think you feel like

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 3>it's judgment even when it isn't.

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I've really like this is like hitting me deep,

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I resonate so much of this, and honestly, I

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.120
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like I'm so happy that there's so many

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>women that there are today compared to what there were

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:20.880
<v Speaker 1>ten years ago. I still don't feel like there's enough.

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 1>And these are conversations that being a female in the

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>space you don't get to openly have a lot of

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>And just hearing you say like the fear of failure

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 1>and how that is kind of a very prevalent thing

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's not really talked about as much, Like really

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 1>hits home for me to just hearing this. And you're

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot better at putting feelings and thoughts and towards

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 1>them than what I am at doing. Just to explain

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 1>what this is, what it's like, I mean, it's definitely

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 1>it's a different experience that women have right, I was

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons I was uncomfortable in the public eye.

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>It was a little uncomfortable on television. I didn't I

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>came up sort of at the dawn of social media too,

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and I started building a social media following, and then

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I backed off because it's a different experience online. Well,

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.919
<v Speaker 1>you're more scrutinized to and you're expected to know more.

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>And if a guy doesn't know, it's okay, whatever, who cares.

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 1>But if a girl doesn't know, it's like, wait, she

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know that. You don't know that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, I think there's kind of an assumption that

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 3>you're not meant to be there as a woman, so

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 3>you kind of have to like almost overcompensate to a degree.

0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 3>That's just society, right, Like these people there aren't people.

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of hate on social media, and I

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.640
<v Speaker 3>think a woman's experience on social media and a woman's

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 3>experience in the public eye is a really different experience

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 3>than a guy's experience. Yes, everyone is scrutinized. I think

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 3>women get a lot more hate and various other inappropriate interactions, right,

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 3>And I just didn't want to do that, Like I

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.159
<v Speaker 3>don't have the time or space and my brain to

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 3>be dealing with that every day. And I have every

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 3>respect for those of you who are succeeding in that

0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 3>space and able to turn that off because it's a lot.

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 3>And I heard you say on the podcast before, you

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 3>know you have to work twice as hard for half

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 3>the respect, and I think that's really true. I think

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 3>it is changing. And again it's kind of just society.

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 3>And the example I have is, so I was the

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 3>first female analyst in motorsport, right like, not on ESPN,

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 3>but in motorsport at all in the US certainly, who

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.479
<v Speaker 3>knows about the rest of the world. And so we

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 3>were at a race and I went to go check

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 3>out my position. There's two seats, they got microphones in

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 3>front of them on a bored and whatever. So I

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 3>need to go check out my position and get a

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 3>feel for how I was going to see and interpret

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 3>the track for the audience. During a practice session, very normal,

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 3>and there's a sound guy and he's thinking around trying

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 3>to get stuff working, and I sit down on my

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 3>seat and he's like, well, you can't sit there, and

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like why not. I said, well, that's for

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.119
<v Speaker 3>the analyst, and my co host was there and he

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 3>was like, that is the analyst and he was like,

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, I'm sorry. Right, but the base assumption

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 3>is that I don't belong there and that a woman

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 3>couldn't possibly, but also, yeah, of course not I was

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the only one. Yeah, very fair assumption on his part.

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 3>So yes, I think there is a different experience that

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 3>men and women have. I don't think a lot of

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 3>it is like a deliberate sexist, I don't think so.

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I think there just has been a figure in that

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>space for people to know that it's possible, absolutely, and

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I do see that shifting absolutely the.

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 3>More and more women that there are. I've started working

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 3>with Amanda Sorensen, who is she has a pretty robust

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 3>social following and she plays in a lot of different

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:34.440
<v Speaker 3>motorsport realms and it's actually really great working with her

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:39.159
<v Speaker 3>because she doesn't anticipate some of the backlash that I

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:43.439
<v Speaker 3>just I do. But I'm my mindset's a little older, right, like,

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 3>so I'm expecting more resistance and she just doesn't expect

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 3>it to be there, and it's which is great, Like

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 3>how much have things changed in twenty years.

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Because I think I still have a little bit of

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 1>that expecting backlash.

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think you're kind of like you're between

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 3>our ages, right, and your experience is a little different

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 3>time as well, And so I think it is changing.

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 3>I think it's changing really fast. And there are now

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>a ton of women in motorsport paddocts, maybe not all driving,

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>and it would be great to see more women driving,

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 3>but again in due time, that's changing too, right, Like

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 3>it used to be a kid, even with parents who

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 3>are race car drivers, the boy in the family would

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 3>be like, yeah, you can be a race car driver,

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 3>and the girl in the family would be like.

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.719
<v Speaker 1>You should be a doctor, you know, or whatever it is.

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 3>And I think now it's like, well, if you, I

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.640
<v Speaker 3>mean you guys should both race, and if you're both

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 3>good at karting, like sure, let's put you in race cars.

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 3>And that just wouldn't have a generation ago, that wouldn't

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 3>have been the assumption, right.

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm staying really quiet on this, and I'm

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>so happy you guys are having this conversation. I'm so

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>happy you're here, Amelia to be able to talk to

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Jen to share this to all the female listeners out there.

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Prior to this conversation, if I'd have this conversation, I

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 2>would go, no, no, no. I think you guys could

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 2>do this, and you can do this, but the female

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 2>experience is something that I will never understand. And when

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 2>you articulate it that way, is that there's a whole

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>set of problems and you know, societal boundaries or expectations

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 2>that women have that men will never understand. It's like,

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 2>it actually is very clear to me now, and it's

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>just beautiful that you guys are able to share. And

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>also like it does sound positive that it's changing and

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 2>getting better.

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it is. I think it's just sometimes

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't know something is possible or even able to

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>do it until you see someone else do it. And

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that's the cool thing that I really feel like social

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>media and the internet helped expedite that process because seeing

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>other people do things was a lot more tangible.

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would not be here without Michelle Mouton.

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 3>I met her once. I was just like, I.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Can you share who this person is? Michelle?

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 3>So, Michelle Mouton was a World Rally Championship driver. She

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 3>must have been the first or certainly the most. She

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 3>has a few first victory, a few first things. I

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 3>don't want to miss speak on exactly.

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the eighties.

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she was it was the Audi Quattro, Yeah, squattro.

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 3>She did Pike's Peace.

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 1>She was fast.

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I remember meeting her. She was staying beside a friend's

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 3>brother and I kind of knew my friend's brother and

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 3>they were talking and I was just like.

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about celebrity normally, right.

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Like people are people, and people are awesome, and I

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 3>want to share their experiences and hear their experiences. And

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 3>part of this maybe just having been a journalist. Nobody's

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 3>ever been behind a barrier for me. But there's this

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 3>woman and I'm like, oh my god, that's Michelle.

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I would have found out.

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 3>I found out.

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever found out before.

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 3>I found out hard. I couldn't talk. I tried to

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 3>approach her several times, like literally, she's standing at the

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 3>side of a racetrack, like any other person that's standing

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 3>at the side of a racetrack watching stuff happen. And

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 3>finally I went I was like, oh my god, you're

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 3>such an inspiration. You know, the dumbest, like how many

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 3>like what what do you say?

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Finally, what what I do say is meet your idols

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 3>for sure, because we talked for a little while and

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you know, you are really an inspiration.

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 3>It sounds cheesy, but it's amazing as you cool.

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Didn't mean because I say, don't meet your hero No, No,

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>definitely do. I definitely do.

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 3>And we talked about it, and I, you know, talking

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 3>about being a role model, and I think she's very

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 3>aware that she is a role model. But I was like,

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, it was just so great because you're like

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 3>super competitive, and she's like, yeah, you know, because I

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 3>never wanted to be fast for a girl.

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I was just fast.

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I say the same thing, right, like when I've

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>never played the female card for being the fastest female

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>C eight Corvette. I just wanted to be the fastest period.

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 3>The car doesn't know.

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the car doesn't know what gender you are. The

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>car really doesn't give a fuck. Sorry, but like, yeah, yeah,

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>she was amazing to me.

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Still inspired by her, and yeah, so it's super important

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 3>to have role models. And it's weird at this stage

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 3>of my career where I kind of realized, I guess

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 3>I am a role model.

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>To some weird thing, isn't it.

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I get told that for myself, and I'm like, I

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>don't understand how because I don't think I had so

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>much of that when I was younger in this space,

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and then I found it as I grew older. But

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like a weird thing to think that you are

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a roll bottle.

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I think just being present and being and doing and

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 3>following your heart and being open and you pass it forward.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Right again, It's a small industry. Sometimes you talk to

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 3>people and they think the world is a zero sum game.

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 3>There's like five resources and everybody's fighting over those same

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 3>five resources, and if somebody gets one of the resources,

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 3>then there's only four left.

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's not how I see the world. I

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>thin totally agree that there.

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Is enough for everybody, and if there's a really great opportunity,

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>new resources will be made to service that opportunity. Or

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, if there is new genius in the world,

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 3>there will be a space for it. Right, So support everybody,

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Support everybody's work, everybody's projects.

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Life is not a zero sum game. There may be

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>competitions in racing, but life is in a competition. Everyone's

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>on their own path and that's okay, and some people's

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>happen quicker than yours, but you're on a path for

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>in and it really is no competition. I sincerely believe that,

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>And I like, I love cheering other people on because

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>if someone else is doing great, you're going to do

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>great too. It's just how it works.

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like so impressed with both of you today.

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like extra proud that we get to do this

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>podcast because, honestly, same, I've always yearned for mentors in

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>my life, both of you. For whoever is listening, it's like,

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys are just wonderful, like you know,

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>teachers to be able to listen to Hu Hien right

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and talking about stuff within the like the automobile industry

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 2>or the racing industry. And because I have a habit

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I think many of us do, but I'm trying to

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>work on it is not to compare myself to other people.

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think everyone struggles with that. Yeah, it's hard not.

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>To, of course, and especially in this town. Right, Like

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 2>you're driving down the street and you see billboards and

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you're not on.

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Them, right, I don't.

0:33:58.880 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you guys do it. I don't

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 3>like the whole Hollywood thing, Like I don't know how

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 3>you audition and get that many no's, like I just

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 3>I can't. I mean, it's good. And one of the

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 3>jobs I had when I was in college was telemarketing,

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 3>which was amazing because you.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Get a lot of nos for telemarketing. It taught me

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot about set a few more choice awards than

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>just no even oh.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I interrupted a lot of stuff. I don't know

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 3>why people answer the phone when they're having sex, but

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 3>sometimes they do.

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>So you glossed over this, but I feel like it's

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>so important to just pause and talk about the fact

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that you brought rally cross to the US.

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 2>What is that?

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>So?

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Rally cross is a it's a motorsport. Currently it's nitro cross.

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 3>Travis Pastrona is the face of the new imagining of

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 3>American rally cross. It's rally style cars. They've diverged quite

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot now, but originally it was rally style cars

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 3>racing door to door on a closed course. So the

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 3>thing about stage rally, if you're not familiar with stage rally,

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 3>if you want to go watch a stage rally, you

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 3>have to figure out where it is. Then you have

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 3>to get a map of the stage rally, and then

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 3>you have to find a place to intersect the road

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 3>where the cars are going to be racing, and then

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:27.919
<v Speaker 3>you have to stand on the side of the road

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 3>in whatever inclement weather nature is throwing at you that

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 3>day with your thermos of coffee and watch cars come

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 3>by in one minute intervals. It's amazing on television. It's

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 3>an adventure in person, not everybody's cup of tea in person.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 3>Rally cross is kind of the answer to that. So

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 3>it is these rally style cars which are capable of

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 3>going very fast in a straight line and also amazing

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:53.799
<v Speaker 3>hairy sideways, angled slides, racing door to door. So you

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 3>also don't have to do the math to figure out

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 3>who's going faster than who because they're racing. They all

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 3>start at the same time, but it all happens five laps,

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 3>super fast, short heats, really exciting indoors out on a track.

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I had the.

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Pleasure of going to one of the recent races and

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>it was such a It was windy and no one

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>cared which period. It was a great time. If people

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go watch rally cross, if they wanted to

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>see what the schedule was, they wanted to go to

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>a race, how would they go find that.

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 3>So it's called nitro cross now and it's nitrocross Racing

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 3>dot com.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.879
<v Speaker 2>Okay, for people who don't know Trevis Pastrano, it's.

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Astra if you have if you have autocorrect, then definitely

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 3>it's Pastrami.

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I remember his name.

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Definitely, word Microsoft Word thinks it's Pastrami. I have had

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 3>to correct that out of press releases.

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 2>But if you YouTube him, he's basically he's doing what

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 2>Ken Block is doing for.

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Crazy amazing innovator. He started racing motocross, he started racing

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 3>on two wheels. He was the first guy ever to

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 3>do a double backflip on a motorcycle. I think that

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 3>was like six or seven. He's just like a while.

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 3>He jumped out of an airplane without a parachute.

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's all, oh, yeah, he's been around a long time.

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, what's next for you? Then? What's you know?

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>You're kind of in that boat open, figure it out,

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>make the time for new things to come in type thing.

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean I I've worked with Papadoccus Racing since twenty ten.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 3>I continued to do that. I work with Ryan Tirk,

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I work with Frederick Osbo. I'm working with Amanda Sorenson

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 3>not with Papadoccus Racing. I need to correct that because

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 3>she's also in the Formula Drift paddock, but I don't

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 3>have anything to do with her FD team. That's more

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 3>of an influencer. What is she doing with the other

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 3>parts of her career. So I've sort of taken a

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 3>step back to refocusing on the drivers, and they're also

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 3>their social properties and so there's a lot of opportunity

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 3>for me to flex my creative jobs as well as

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 3>marketing and sponsorship sales. So those are the things I'm

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 3>focusing on right now, doing a little bit of stuff

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 3>with grid Life as well, which is another super fun property.

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 3>I loved life.

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 2>What is that.

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a music and motorsport festival, So they have drifting,

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 3>They have a grid Life Touring Cup which is short

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 3>like fifteen minutes, touring, car racing.

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>And everything from drifting. Those of these three main the

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>three main disciplines.

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Where have I been for me under a rock?

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:24.879
<v Speaker 3>Literally, it's it's very passion oriented. As I say, Music

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 3>and Motorsport festival. There are five stops this year. The

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 3>closest one to us is Laguna and it'll be at

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Laguna in the fall. The big one is Midwest at

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.319
<v Speaker 3>Gingerman but it's largely amateur racing. So I mean, you

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 3>say you've never been a race car driver, Here is

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 3>your chance. You get a car from Amelia.

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 1>You guys get the car driver. There you go, and

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.240
<v Speaker 1>it's time attack, so you can't race.

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't do it.

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but time attack is different.

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Not that it's because I'll quit everything and go want

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:54.799
<v Speaker 2>to be a race car driver.

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Welcome to being a race I don't mean.

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why I can't. Bees don't work for me.

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 2>Like golf, I can get too competitive, Yeah, because I'm

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>so competitive.

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm the same. I literally at my first race,

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I bought a race car. You know, you know it's

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 3>a path.

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 2>It's a path that I shouldn't go on because it's

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>going to go nowhere to just make me broke right

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 2>and homeless. Eventually, I need to feed this dog. Well

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 2>for the young folks, I'm sure there's questions out there,

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 2>and I actually was, like you mentioned that you came

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 2>from traditional like print journalism, and now there's this influencer

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 2>like person. What sets certain influencers apart as a race

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 2>car driver, As an influencer, what does one need to

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>be aware of and what can one like work on

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>to become successful?

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 3>Jeezu, Melia, it feels like you're the person answer that.

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Objectively. You know objectively.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I think you have an eye for talent, so you're

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the right person answer this question.

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh dear, well, that's very kind. I think a willingness

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 3>to learn and a willingness to grow. So I'm going

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 3>to give away a secret here. With race car drivers

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 3>or with people that I'm interested in kind of working with,

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:12.879
<v Speaker 3>there's a little tests they sometimes do and I will

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 3>bring out three juggling bean bags. I'm not a very

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 3>good juggler, but I can juggle, and I'll hand them

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:20.839
<v Speaker 3>the bean bags and see what they do and if

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 3>they really try and they fail, because it's a lot

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 3>harder than it looks when you're first learning. It's not

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:27.840
<v Speaker 3>actually that hard, but it is when you don't know

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 3>what to do, it's hard. It's like you know, solving

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 3>a Rubik's cube or something. It's just the thing you

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 3>know how to do or not. If that person tries

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 3>and drops the bean bags and then says no weight,

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 3>to show me again, and then drops the bean bags

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 3>again and then continues to try that's a person I

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 3>want to work with. They're willing to grow, they're willing

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 3>to learn, they're willing to fail if they try once

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 3>fail and then smash them down in frustration. That's not

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 3>a person I will work with.

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>People have done that.

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, yeah, yeah really yeah, And it's just you know,

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 3>it just shows something kind of fundamental about their character.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Do they want to grow?

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 3>Like they may want to on paper, grow, but they

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 3>aren't willing to go through the unable moment of not

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 3>being good at something. And I'm actually more do what

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 3>I say, not what I do. Like I'm more inclined

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 3>to like smash the thing down and be like I

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 3>suck at those I don't want to do it anymore,

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 3>and I don't want to work with those people. That's

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 3>something I actively work on with myself, is like being

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 3>open to not being perfect at things. So I think

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 3>it's about again, it's just like a willingness to learn

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 3>and being open to growing.

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 2>That's a characteristic that she has that she does. Yeah,

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 2>like it really is. It's like there was this moment

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 2>where I was like I caught that, and I was like,

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 2>she's always willing to challenge yourself, even within criticism and

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 2>learn from it and become better and walking away from that,

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you're like, wow, that's those are characteristics of a winner.

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's okay to fall, it's okay to you know,

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.919
<v Speaker 2>fail to drop the bean bag, right, and but it's

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>your willingness to like, you know, put the embarrassment in

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the ego to the side and go, let me try

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to figure this out. And sometimes you don't. Maybe you

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 2>never figure it out, but you're just you're still grinding.

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 2>It's one step forward and it's like it's almost so simple.

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 2>But that's something that I can take, you know, and

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I still can apply today because it's you know, from

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, what we do in Hollywood. It's like every

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>day you're, like you were saying, it's like it's a

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>no every day, I'm too handsome for that role, a.

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Problem with which we all have.

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 4>Every day celebrities are they.

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 2>But every day it's a no. You know, there's a

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 2>no from something right, and it's like it's and I

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 2>think I'm gonna I'm gonna that's it's I'm gonna borrow that.

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like there's another beam bag I dropped, Like get

0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 2>up and start juggling and maybe I'll never figure it out.

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 2>At least I'm able to try to juggle right, and

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:09.319
<v Speaker 2>that's that's something. And also you were talking about gratitude

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to be able to step back and go, dude, I'm

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 2>just like grateful to be here. It's like something that

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I have to keep reminding myself every day is like

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 2>to go, hey, look at my life. You know, look

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 2>at my wife, look at my dog. I have health,

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, having the headlights on bright, you know, and

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that's something that you know I relate with, you know,

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 2>and like I was like, God, that's awesome. Then Jen

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 2>also believes.

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 3>That, Oh I wish I knew it when I was twenty.

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, Comparison is the thief of joy. We talked

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 3>about that earlier. When I was younger, it was like

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 3>I got to do this. I got to do this thing.

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not where I should be. I'm late, you know,

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 3>I didn't take a journalism degree. So now I'm doing

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 3>this intern thing and I'm like in my min twenties,

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing an internship.

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>What am I thinking?

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 3>And just to pause and reflect on where I'm at

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 3>and realize how awesome things can be. I mean, it's

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 3>always perfect and sometimes things are really terrible. Sometimes you

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 3>pause and reflect and you're like, yep, today sucks. But

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 3>that's when you drop the bean bag and you're like, Okay,

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 3>I got to pick it up and try again, but

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 3>maybe not till tomorrow. I'm just gonna take a little

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 3>minute for me. But deliberately and consciously practicing gratitude is

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 3>something that I brought into my life in the last

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 3>few years, and I think it's you know, there's a

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 3>little bit of a cheesy pop psychology moment for that,

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 3>but also that is where the joy lives. The joy

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:32.440
<v Speaker 3>is and realizing and understanding what you have and it

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.839
<v Speaker 3>doesn't need to be what somebody else has. We talked

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 3>earlier about being on our own paths.

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 3>I wake up in the morning. I'm so lucky. I

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 3>love a block away from the beach. I have a

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 3>ridiculous giant dog who has all the joy in the world.

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Every time he sees the water. I get to go

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 3>and watch sunrise with him every morning as he splashes

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 3>around in the water. Like what a great situation that is.

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 3>I grew up in Toronto. I own palm trees. Now

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 3>my house has palm trees on it. I don't have

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 3>to deal with sleet and snow in the morning. So yeah,

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 3>gratitude is it's key, I think to happiness.

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so simple, so hard at the same time, so hard.

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>And that's where like social media, it's like I start noticing,

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 2>like I get super mentally disturbed.

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:19.799
<v Speaker 3>It's exhausting, right.

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 2>But it's necessary evil to it. It's like you can't

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 2>avoid it.

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 3>I think you have to be deliberate about it. Like,

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 3>I think the worst thing ever is doom scrolling, Right,

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 3>somebody says scrolling.

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Scrolling even heard of that, where you just scroll for

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>hours on it. You just let the algorithm feed you

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 1>whatever it's feeding you.

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, doom scrolling, well.

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, if you're really tired and you just only

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:47.360
<v Speaker 1>find energy and being able to it's it's a dark place, yeah, And.

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean it is. It does insight comparison. So I

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 3>actually have a TikTok account that's for my dog that

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 3>basically only has like fuzzy puppies on it, Like basically

0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 3>the algorithm understands that that account is for fuzzy cute puppy.

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 3>And so that's how I deal with doom scrolling. I'm like,

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go look at my happy outfit.

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I have forced myself this year. I made a

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>resolution that I was only going to try to go

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.360
<v Speaker 1>on social media if I was looking for inspiration or

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>was planning to post. I'm trying not to allow myself

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to scroll. And if I want to scroll, I go.

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 1>This isn't an ad. I go on dueling and I

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>learn another language. And that's my form of all Right,

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:28.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like reading a book. I don't feel

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.600
<v Speaker 1>like doing my emails or turn a rent right now,

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to play DUELINGO. So then at least

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm learning something too.

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:38.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I replaced my social media folder on the front

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 3>page of my phone with the New York Times. I

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 3>play the games on the New York Times to sort

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.479
<v Speaker 3>of fill the like random scrolling. I play Wordley because again,

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 3>like obviously I'm one hundred years old, because I play

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Wordle do connections in the morning. And actually, yesterday I

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 3>was out lunch with a friend and I can't remember

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 3>what he called it, but I renamed during lunch, I

0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 3>renamed my social media folder to poison.

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.319
<v Speaker 2>That's a good idea.

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 3>I think his was like toxic sledge or something, and like,

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 3>don't get me wrong. Social has tremendous value, but I

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 3>think you should be deliberate about it. I should choose

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:16.440
<v Speaker 3>to go watch Amelia's feed, right, I should choose to

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 3>be inspired by you in a day, not let that

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 3>algorithm just like feed me things, right.

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 2>I run to social media when I start feeling insecure.

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 1>It's the worst thing to do.

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:27.919
<v Speaker 2>It's up because it isn't that weird.

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 1>If I find my screen time is too high and

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, I need to get out of this

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 1>headspace of scrolling and do something else. I turn off

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 1>the color on my phone.

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:36.239
<v Speaker 3>It's good.

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 2>It's not the color.

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So then it's just black and white because you

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>find the things that attract you on social media's because

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 1>it's bright. That's all these colors. It's very like such

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 1>a science behind you off the colors on your phone

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.439
<v Speaker 1>and it's black and white, yeling, and this is boring.

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 3>It's an accessibility setting.

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 2>One of my pet peeves is you're at lunch with

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:57.280
<v Speaker 2>somebody and they are on their phone. I can't even

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 2>be their friends. I put them in a different category.

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, someone's talking to you and they

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>pick up their phone and they're like this, and then

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I've seen it where we're having an intimate conversation, like

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 2>the three of us and one fools on Instagram.

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Just wait till everyone's are in the goggles.

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 3>You'll never know who's doing a lot.

0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. That's crazy, And I call them on it,

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, yo, we drove all the way over

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 2>here to spend time with each other. You're now rare

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 2>this this might be like one of ten meetings left

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>as friends and you're on Instagram. Yeah, like scrolling strangers

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't understand it, and you realize it's an addiction.

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it totally is an addiction. I'm I just had

0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:44.839
<v Speaker 3>this conversation with a friend yesterday. I have to do

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 3>more stuff right. The pandemic twenty twenty one. Part of

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:52.879
<v Speaker 3>twenty two was dire right. I was inside my house.

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 3>I opened a boot like bakery.

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:59.400
<v Speaker 1>So bummed that I wasn't able to go get some

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>of those chalk cli croissans or the almond croissans, one

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>of the croissants. She opened up a bakery at her

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.360
<v Speaker 1>own house during during COVID time. Was kind of like,

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I was obsessed with your stories, obsessed. When we were

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>talking with ed about the sour dough bread I was

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:20.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about her. I still need to try these croissans.

0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I will make you some crysoons. I will make you

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>some croissants. She didn't have to enough to get free

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 1>business during COVID. Well, okay, and it was contact list

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 1>for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>It was well, I had I had a job, like

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 3>I was working for an energy dr company. I had

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 3>a real job. So I took this job expecting to

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 3>be like going to events and promoting events and working

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 3>with athletes and doing all this exciting stuff. And I

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 3>was stuck at home by myself on zoom calls for

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 3>eight hours a day, just losing my soul, you know,

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 3>because I'm basic. I started making sour dough bread because

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.879
<v Speaker 3>that's what you do, and because I have nothing else

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.960
<v Speaker 3>to do, I'm documenting it all on social media. But really,

0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 3>what I want more than anything in the world is

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:05.959
<v Speaker 3>a chocolate croissant. And the pandemic is like two months

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 3>in and I haven't had a chocolate croissant because everything's

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 3>closed and bakeries are closed and you can't go to

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.879
<v Speaker 3>a cafe and get one. And I don't even eat

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.319
<v Speaker 3>chocolate croissants. Set off and it's like a twice yearly thing,

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 3>but I need one because it's my comfort food. So

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:20.799
<v Speaker 3>I started learning how to make them and documenting it

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 3>on social media. I was living for these stories like Instagram.

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:28.320
<v Speaker 3>That's why I knew about sour dough bread. In the process,

0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 3>and we were talking with d I ended up buying

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:34.479
<v Speaker 3>flour in fifty pound bags. Like it became. As I say,

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 3>I follow my passions and kind of serially, and so

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 3>the baking became a bit of a passion and it

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 3>broke up my week. But you can't eat I mean,

0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:45.720
<v Speaker 3>that's a lot of pastry and I'm vaguely gluten intolerance,

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:45.840
<v Speaker 3>so I.

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't eat any of them.

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 3>So but I just really enjoyed the process, and so

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.439
<v Speaker 3>then I started selling them on Sunday mornings. I lived

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 3>in the Venice Canals in a little tiny apartment that

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 3>backed out onto the canals, and you know, it was

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 3>the pandemic. People were walking around outside. So I started

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:06.760
<v Speaker 3>just like masking up and selling my wares. So on Sundays,

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:08.799
<v Speaker 3>I basically had this bootleg bakery where I would get

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 3>up at five o'clock in the morning prepare pastries. People

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.280
<v Speaker 3>would be lined up by nine thirty. It was so stressful.

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like trying in my tiny apartment oven trying

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 3>to get any heat into these pastries, and then I

0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.080
<v Speaker 3>would be sold out within an hour. And it was

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:23.880
<v Speaker 3>very funny because it ended up being this kind of

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 3>weird have you heard.

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>About the lady that makes the pastries?

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 3>And people would line up. It became a thing during

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:32.799
<v Speaker 3>the pandemic. And then I did the other basic thing

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.919
<v Speaker 3>that one does during the pandemic, as it turns out,

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 3>and I got a dog, and he weighs one hundred

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.840
<v Speaker 3>and fifty pounds and his head is counter height and

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 3>he really likes pastries. So that ended my baking career. Yeah, Steve,

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.879
<v Speaker 3>Steve the dog started enjoying the pastries. It's very hard

0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 3>to bake when you have one hundred and fifty pound

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 3>dog who really wants what you've got working on the counter. However,

0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 3>I can occasionally, so come to an FT event and

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 3>I'll get you some past.

0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:04.320
<v Speaker 2>My mouth is watering, like there's a Gens chocolate croissants.

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:06.399
<v Speaker 2>It has a great ring to it with Steve as

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 2>the mess.

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Just look at a photo of these puppies.

0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow, my constructive way past the pandemic.

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.560
<v Speaker 1>We could have talked forever. I've thoroughly enjoyed this and

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I would love for down the line. Maybe season two,

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you come back on and join us. This was amazing.

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe teach us how to make some chocolate. Yeah, we'll

0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 2>bring an ove in. We'll just do that. But thank you.

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 2>It was a gift and a true honor to get

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to know you better.

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:37.439
<v Speaker 1>You guys, thank you so much.

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed chatting with you today about our crazy

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.839
<v Speaker 3>wide range of topics. And I will bring croissants next

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 3>time for sure.

0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Please, thank you,