WEBVTT - Ep 30: Loyle Carner 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:23.759 Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats. My guest this time 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.319 on Midnight Chats is loyal Kana and he has a 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.640 handful of great loves in his life that he likes 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.520 to talk about. Number one is family. Anybody who's heard 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.279 the rappers very personal debut album, Yesterday's Gone will know that, 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:39.600 or perhaps you've been to one of his gigs where 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.680 he shouted out his brother or his close friends. He 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.600 brought out his mum on stage during his Glastonbury performance 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.839 about ten days after we've recorded this chat that you're 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.040 about to hear, so that's hugely important to him. Number 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.440 two is football. He's a massive Liverpool fan and follower 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.800 of the England international team, and on stage he carries 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.240 an Eric Cantona shirt that was his stepfather's and that's 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.680 in tribute to him and so that his stepfather, he 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.880 sadly passed away, can travel the world along with him. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.040 Number three is music, of course, from Nas to Biggie 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.800 to Most Death and jay Z through to UK stuff 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.480 like Jest and Roots Maneuver. He's obviously a massive music fan. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.759 Number four is food and more specifically cooking. In fact, 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.640 the night before we recorded this he was up to 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.920 one am at home in South London trying to perfect 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.319 his recipe from making Portuguese custard tarts. And it was 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.920 timely because right now as this podcast comes out and 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.360 as I record this introduction, all this week he's been 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.800 running a cookery school in North London for young adults 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.760 with ADHD and he described it as his way of 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.400 giving something back after he found being in the kitchen 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.880 cooking as a helpful way of managing his own ADHD 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.280 when he was growing up, and it inspired him to 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.240 start this project that he ran for the first time 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.600 last year and was running again this summer, and it 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.160 was really inspiring hearing about the program and his plans 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.680 for it is obviously very very passionate. 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But let's get down to loyal 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.840 Kaner As I said, this was recorded a couple of 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.520 weeks ago in our office in East London. He'd just 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.960 come back from playing a couple of huge festival shows 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.320 and then he said they had to go to Ikea 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.280 with his mum, but he was planning the menu at 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.840 the cookery school at the time, as well as his 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.679 Glastonbury set list, which I also urge you to go 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.000 and check out. It was an amazing show, and it 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.360 was about five days after the general election had happened, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.240 and that comes up as a topic in the conversation 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.000 as well. But it was an absolute pleasure having LOYL 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.840 Conner on. I really enjoyed meeting him. So this is 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.680 the latest episode of Midnight Chats, Episode thirty with Loyal 0:03:44.760 --> 0:04:05.320 Kanor Laura Kna. Welcome to Midnight Chats. We've been wanting 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.120 to have you on for a while, so thanks for 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:08.920 thanks for making the time to speak to us, not at. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.760 All THANCTS for having me. Have you been Yeah, good, good, knackered, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.320 but but good busy. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.000 We kind of caught you in like what must be 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.400 a rare moment of sort of down, not downtime, but 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.440 like in the sort of days that you must have 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.359 in between basically playing every single festival. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:26.159 Yeah, yeah, it's mad. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.320 I mean the kind of in between days have become 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.359 just as busy as my days on, kind of my 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.279 days off of just other days on at the moment. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.640 But yeah, no, it's nice to have sometimes at least 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.440 I'm home because I've been away for a lot. I 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:37.880 was in Australia for a bit when I was in 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.560 America and then went back to America. So it's nice 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.640 at least to be busy then and come back to 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.120 a base where my family's around and I can talk 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.080 to them, you know, Yeah, relax with them, have a 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:49.720 hug from them. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:50.080 Yeah. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.720 With that downtime, what kind of things you fill your 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.520 time with? Is it catching up with people? Is it 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.240 you know, you're still doing things like. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.120 This and yeah, yeah, I mean it's a lot of 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.440 I guess I've got this cooking school for kids of 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.719 ADHD and so at the moment, that's not my main 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.960 focus other than this. So I've got Actually, what I've 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.200 been doing last couple of days has been running. Because 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.400 I teach the classes, I've been running the same recipes 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.040 over and over again. So last night I was cooking, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:20.279 making Portuguese custard tarts until like one am. So it's downtime, 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:21.960 but it's not really. That's how I like it, though, Man, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.280 I just like to be busy. But yeah, I mean, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.080 other than that, you're just going out, just going for dinner, 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.599 seeing my friends, cooking dinner with my friends, watching the football, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.000 any kind of anything I can do that's not not 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.560 like sweat related. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.320 With the cooking school. You ran the first program pretty 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:36.960 much a year ago. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.200 I did around around this time last year year. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.080 How was the first How was the first experience? 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:41.920 Yeah, it's amazing, man. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.599 I mean, so I grew up with ADHD myself, and 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.080 you know, one thing I will never really had was 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.280 anyone to talk to that was older who'd been through 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.000 it not so much you know, made a success with themselves, 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.040 but it just survived it and got to the point 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.479 of being, you know, like a young adult. But yeah, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.120 I mean before the before the school happened, I was 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:58.600 preaching it a lot because we were trying to build 0:05:58.600 --> 0:05:59.640 a bit of a buzz for it, and I was saying, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.240 you know, look, you know, ADHD is a beautiful thing. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.320 It just needs the right thing to bring this beauty out. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:05.960 And I wasn't sure if it was actually going to 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.920 be the case, if you know, that was just my experience. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.120 But yeah, I think, honestly, I do think it was 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.640 probably the best week of my life and something I 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:13.919 was doing it kind of thinking I could just I 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.599 could stop everything and just do this every day for 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.640 the rest of my life because it was was beautiful, man. 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:18.880 I mean, some of the kids. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.360 Were you know, were caught up in some real, real 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.640 bad ship outside of school or inside the school, but 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.640 all of them came came to the classes and we're 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.160 just joy to be with and the joy to be around. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.719 And yeah, it was it was special. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.520 What kind of things did you make on that first? 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:36.520 We made chicken ramen, decent chicken rum, some salmonon cruite 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.680 beef Wellington, some homemade pasta and pesta. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.599 Actually a funny story about the pasta and the pesto. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.080 So I'm allergic to nuts and there's one kid in 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.000 the class who was allergic to nuts as well, and 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.080 I was like, hey, manuals stick together, will make it 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:50.800 like a nut free pesta would be boring, but it'll 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.600 be all right. And so we made it and I 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.640 kind of went around and someone had swapped the pestl 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.440 of mortars around and I ended up dipping my finger 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.000 another one and trying it, and they're guardian what outside 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.560 the kitchen, waiting to interview me for the peace like 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.240 for the school. I was trying to make to make 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.200 it look professional because I've got no experience whatever, and 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:07.560 I so I had to come out, and I came 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.560 out dripping with sweat like kind of half passing out 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.680 and knew that I was in trouble and kind of 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.520 staggered my way through the interview for about twenty minutes, 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.600 and when I've got go upstairs, I got go to 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.840 the toilet, ran upstairs and kind of got to half 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.280 way the stairs and then just passed out. And then 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.320 I woke up and then went back and went into 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.880 the toilet and then just properly passed flat out. I 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.400 was out for like twenty minutes. And then when my 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:26.960 managers came and I was like, you're. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.840 Right, oh fuck, yeah, ship, yeah, let's get back downstairs. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.440 I've got to go to this interview. The guy had gone, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.960 and then we just kept teaching the class. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.800 Shoot. Yeah, because of the alleged reaction to the. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.360 Acid, yeah yea yeah to the nuts, to the pine nuts. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.440 Is that happened to you before? 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.120 Yeah, I mean it happening. Is hasn't happened since it's 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.200 something rare? I don't really because I don't. I'm pretty 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.760 good at not eating nuts. But yeah, it was just 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:48.520 it was ridiculous. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.240 One, it was awful, and you're like, I just want 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.000 today to go smoothly, you know. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.800 It was just like, yeah, this bands that happened, and man, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.520 to be fair, the only person who injured themselves like 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.440 the cooking school was me. I had that between I 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.120 chopped the top of my I think my index finger off. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.440 Butther than that dangerous, it ran very smoothly. I let 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:07.920 my lesson. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.240 What are the young people like that you met through 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.240 doing that? How did they kind of respond to it 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:14.880 by the end, because because it lasts for a week 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.960 and so what change did you see in them from 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.160 basically getting together on a Monday or whatever it was 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.400 and then cooking a feast? 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.360 Yeah for the family, Yeah, it was for you know, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.360 it was. It was amazing. They were amazing. There was 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:29.600 something about it that they kind of. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.840 Came in there a bit wary, but honestly, within you know, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:34.800 after the first day, they were also open. And I 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.080 think that openness just continued to grow. But there was 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.720 a kind of a playfulness that was there. But it 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.640 wasn't disrespectful or troublesome. I mean it was it was 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.360 they were becoming more and more curious, and I think 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.640 that's what I think has grown as they as they've 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.959 gone off, some of them have looked to go to 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.440 work in kitchens and whatnot. One of thems just done 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.800 something that I can't mention because it's like super sick 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.160 but super top secrets at the moment, but you got 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.920 to yeah, just been part of something brilliant. But yeah, 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.360 I mean, honestly, it was just also I guess they 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.719 kind of saw this openness for conversation and being being 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.200 a bit more open with how they feel and how 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.199 what was upsetting them and what was making them happy 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.360 and what was getting them down, and you know how 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:14.880 they were going to pull through it, And I think 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.800 that was what was the more important thing is I 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.440 guess the food became like a like a pathway to 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:21.040 open conversation. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.640 Yeah a bind, Yeah exactly exactly. So it was as 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:24.079 much as the. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.920 Food was the you know, the importance at first, it 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.960 then became it was actually what it brought out that 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.040 was more important because they still messaged me now and 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.840 they all kind of chatted to me in a way that's, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.960 you know, like a friend, but also in a way 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:34.960 where they're not embarrassed. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.080 I think that's what they gained. 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.120 And was cooking the kind of like primary thing that 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:43.319 helped you cope with having ADHD. That was that the 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.200 biggest thing that you kind of discovered that helped you through. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.840 That period massively. I think it was weird. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.280 It was that and writing rhymes kind of however I 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.400 was doing it if it was on beat or just 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.280 a cappella or poems or whatever. But yeah, for food, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.640 it was just I don't know, there was There's so 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.040 much going on when you're cooking, and you don't have 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.320 time to worry about anything else, you know, so your 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.280 brain can be full of all these other things. But 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:06.720 as soon as you start cooking, your brain is only 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.719 full of what's going on. So there's sign can fire here. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.559 You know, they're sning other air, it's about to burn. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.360 You've got these two things that you haven't thought of 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.640 doing yet. You've got to chop these things up. And 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.120 it's all that stuff that I was watching this this documentary. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.120 There's a series called Chef Table on Netflix. I don't 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.040 know if you've seen it, but it's like maybe I 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.160 think it's the best thing I've watched. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:24.480 I've almost watched all of them. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.560 But there's a Korean monk, this woman who claims that 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.280 and I believe her, that cooking is the closest form 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.120 of men, like the closest thing you can get to 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.000 meditation in a busy life. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.160 I don't have the time or the patience or the 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:38.200 energy for meditation. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.520 But I do understand what she means because it's this 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:45.480 kind of pure feeling of just complete. I don't like mindfulness. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.160 I mean, you're not thinking about anything, but you're thinking 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:47.800 about everything. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:48.040 At the same time. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.360 It's it's brilliant. I can't quite explain it, but it's 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:51.480 always been very important to me. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.640 What does a kitchen look like once you've been in 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.640 there and done your thing, Because when I'm cooking, I 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:01.440 seem to basically use every single utensity end whatever meal 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.559 that I'm preparing. The washing up just looks horrendous. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.840 Yeah, that's a fucking mess, that's what. That's what it's like. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.160 It's like a Tasmanian devil is hit. My kitchen are 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.600 the same. Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly what I'm like always. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:13.720 But I think it's good like that, man. I mean, 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.439 I've got a good deal going with my mom. You 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.680 know that if I cook, she'll hook it up afterwards. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.160 So we've got that. We've got like a little team 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:19.520 going on. 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.160 But no, yeah, I mean I've learned I'm a bit 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.200 better at cleaning as I go. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.800 But no, I guess I think that's the fun of it. Though. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.280 You know, if you're cooking and you're tidy, n that's 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.720 not fun. I mean you want to just make a mess. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.640 That's that's part of the fund, is just being able 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.120 to make a mess and be able to. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.199 Justify it with some good food. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.360 Is there anything that you haven't managed to perfect just yet? 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.840 Because there are things like a roast dinner, for example, 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.959 it can take forever to get it to the affection 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:45.560 that you wanted. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.319 My roast is actually right, my roast potatoes to say, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.360 or maybe the best in South South London. Okay, the 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.320 best in the pot but maybe maybe the best in 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:55.040 that southeast. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.120 I would say, what's the key with a roast potato? 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.200 Is it like goose fat? 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:00.640 That's always do you know what? No? 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.959 I mean it is if you but my family and 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.640 my mum and my little brother vegetarian loosely, and so 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.240 I can't get away with goose fats. I've have to 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.080 be a bit yeah, to get around intuitive of it, but. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:11.720 But not what it really is. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.280 I can let yours. It's not my secret. It's like 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.319 a Jamie a secret. You part of boil the potatoes. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.920 You boil them up before you roast them over seed. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.719 But when they're when they're when they're cooked, when they're 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.640 boiled in the pan, you put the lid on the 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.719 lid on the pot and shake them until they get 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.720 kind of like fluffy on the outside. And it's that 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.880 fluffiness that gets the Christmas on the outside and on 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.400 the inside they're still tender and sweets. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.319 Yeah, exactly, tell me about it. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.000 But yeah, what what kind of I really struggle with 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.920 anything that requires like a precision your technique. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.520 I'm kind of just better at just throwing things at 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.240 a pan and something comes out of it. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.959 Like baking is like I can't do right because it's 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.000 just too precise. So that's something I'm trying to. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:54.559 Get better at. Yeah, you won't, you won't, definitely. I 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:55.280 was watching the other day. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.960 I watched it last night actually late, just thinking how 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.320 how is it possible to because these people don't even 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:01.559 have anything that they're measuring with, and I was like, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.400 how is it possible to note to gauge a little 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:05.720 bit of this, a little bit of a little bit 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:06.160 of yeast? 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:07.320 It's not possible, man. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.280 I'm quite looking forward to seeing the new series with 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:10.480 no fielding on. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.480 Actually yeah, yeah, I'm interested in Man, I'm going to 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:13.760 miss marry Berry because she was my. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:14.679 She was my rock. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.600 But she's like Britain's rock. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:20.240 She reminds me of my man. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.320 Man, I do I love her, She's a true legend. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:23.120 Yeah. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.319 When you're out on tour, like, tour life is very 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.080 different from home life in the sense that you're never 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.439 really going to get the chance to get into the 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.160 kitchen and prepare food for yourself. Do you ever get 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:34.920 any decent grub when you're out on the road. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.040 I try my best, man, Yes, it's it's a shame 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.600 being on the road. Is really all I really get 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.600 is fat. That's kind of what happens when I go away. 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.240 Kind of it's the same vicious cycle. Like I go away, 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.640 I eat kind of badly, come back, go I'm looking 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.480 a bit big, and then for the next three weeks 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.240 out freaking out trying to cook some healthy stuff, and 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.440 then the saving happens again. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:52.959 But no, we're doing better about it now. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.680 Because we've we've just been with I'm kind of we're 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.440 doing well enough now to have a tour bus. So 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.560 it means that we because before we were driving in 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.800 a split of which is like just a little little 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.800 vand that you just drive from country to country. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:04.079 Citas to city. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.280 But it means that after each show you're driving x amount, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.000 getting a hotel, waking up, and then driving the rest 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.720 of the journey, so you don't get that much time 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.000 in the city. But now because we're wait, we're traveling overnight, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:15.880 we wake up, we can be in the city for 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.199 a bit long as you can go out and get lunch, 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:18.680 and it means you just have a bit more time 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.760 to get your bearings and find somewhere that's you know, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:22.320 worth it. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:23.720 But in Europe we eat well. 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.120 By all accounts, like kind of European promoters and people 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.640 like that. They're always very kind of attentive and and 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.720 give you the look. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.920 After yea, yeah, yeah, completely. It is funny because it's 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.680 still they're sill kind of cutting costs because they're making 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.520 it themselves. But there's just a lot more care that 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.400 goes into it, I think. But yeah, when we can 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.120 eat okay, we do a festival season, we do all 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.240 right when we're not in the festival site obviously, but yeah, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:46.720 I mean, it's it's just one of those things we 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.880 we we've got like a tiny little when we got 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.760 the tour bus, we've got a few bits. I bought 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.560 a few bits for it, like just like a toasty maker, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.360 like a little brevel and stuff, so we can there's 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:54.960 like little. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:55.520 Things we can cook up. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.560 I was thinking about getting it like a portable like 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.360 oven gasc look for Glastonbury. But my mom was telling 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.040 me it's not a good idea, but I think it is. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.400 I just word I set fire to the camp fire. Yeah, 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:09.640 I don't think so. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.680 So with the program that you're about to run again, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.600 with all these kind of young adults making different things 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.840 for a week, Yeah, what's what's on the menu this time? 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.920 You mentioned that you've already you've been trying to perfect 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.400 the Portuguese custard time. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.640 So that's the thing is, I'm trying to figure out 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:22.960 the moment. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.600 I've literally only just got back from from from festivals 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.560 and from touring, so this is my week to figure out. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.600 So far, I got the Portuguese natters, which is like 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:34.400 the custard tops the mustard chicken, hopefully like another form 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.160 of because we made homemade past the last time. So 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.480 I'd love to be able to do that again but 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.960 better this time. And if there's a guy who I'm 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.040 a big fan of called Ivan Raman. I have an 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.120 orkind and we just I was just with my manager. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:46.960 We were in New York. We went to his restaurant 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.160 and we bumped into him. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.200 He was there. He's like a hip, proper hero of 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.040 mine and he's the first hero of mine I think. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.760 I've ever met. Actually yeah, and I got yeah, honestly, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.280 I've got upset in a positive way. But I got 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.560 quite emotional and chatted to him and gave me his book. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:01.600 And I've been really a NonStop and there's a whole 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:03.560 it's the whole book is basically about how to create 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.240 a rarming and we did it last year, but I 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.480 think this and now I've got a deeper understanding it might. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.760