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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: They definitely want to take some of your guys, not

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Speaker 1: quite at the level yet in the discussions where they're

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Speaker 1: going to have a freeze, say on all handguns, as

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Speaker 1: they have up in Canada now courtesy of Justin Trudeau,

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Speaker 1: who is among the most unintentionally comical world leaders on

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Speaker 1: the entire scene. I think you could argue the great

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Speaker 1: country of Canada is worthy of much better than Justin Trudeau.

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Speaker 1: And I'm I mean at a whole rate. You could

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Speaker 1: point to so many things, but I digress. What are

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Speaker 1: we facing here in this country right now? We've got

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Speaker 1: a push for what they're saying, or by partisan discussions

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Speaker 1: on red flag laws. CBS News just reporting on this

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Speaker 1: today saying they're making progress in the Senate on red

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Speaker 1: flag laws NPR red flag laws, not gun control, other

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Speaker 1: way to stop mass shootings. CNBC House Democrats looking to

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Speaker 1: pass gun control legislation by early June. And of course Vox,

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Speaker 1: another left wing propaganda sits saying everybody in America wants

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Speaker 1: gun control, really because they don't, but they keep saying

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Speaker 1: they do to hope that they can break us down.

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Speaker 1: With the relentless propaganda. Clay. One thing that I find

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Speaker 1: I've always found fascinating about the the gun control of discussion,

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Speaker 1: and they go with have you The term gun reform

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Speaker 1: also gets used sometimes, and I'm like, that just sounds

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Speaker 1: like now we're are we modifying it? Like do I

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Speaker 1: get to better do I get to put a better

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Speaker 1: rail system? Do I get to put a suppressor on?

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Speaker 1: Gun reform? That sounds like like that might be fun,

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Speaker 1: But of course they just use that as a poll

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Speaker 1: tested term because it seems less aggressive in terms of

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment violation than gun control. But guns is the

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Speaker 1: only issue I can think of where it does not matter.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a Democrat, it doesn't matter how imprecise

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Speaker 1: you are, top to bottom, from the president all the

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Speaker 1: way down to the activists out the anti gun activists

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Speaker 1: out there. You can say things that are absurd. You

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Speaker 1: can say you want to ban chainsaw bayonets and automatic cannon,

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Speaker 1: pistol machine laser guns, and there are people whore gonna say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, you gotta get rid of all those chainsaw bayonets, which,

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Speaker 1: if some of you don't recall, this was a real

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Speaker 1: thing USA today because it looked scary. Clayton, before I

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Speaker 1: go into WHOOPI Goldberg's call for the revocation of your

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Speaker 1: air fifteen out of your out of your hands, I

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Speaker 1: read you. Ever, this USA today was running all the

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Speaker 1: different modifications you could make to so called the salt rifles.

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Speaker 1: And they actually had a drawing, you know, an official

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Speaker 1: drawing on the front page of the dreaded chainsaw bayonet.

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Speaker 1: Which all this did was for enthusiasts. They said, wow,

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Speaker 1: you could actually get a little chainsaw you can put

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Speaker 1: on your real system. But then people started putting sharks

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Speaker 1: with lasers on their heads on the guns. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it all turned into memes. They don't care how little

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Speaker 1: they know about this. They insist that they have the

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Speaker 1: answers about very specific policy when it comes to guns,

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Speaker 1: even though the Libs know nothing about guns. It's remarkable.

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Speaker 1: I just wish we could have a real honest debate

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Speaker 1: because the goal is the repeal of the Second Amendment, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what the goal is. So this

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Speaker 1: is why I respect and you know what I would

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Speaker 1: I was having this conversation recently with some other people.

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Speaker 1: People got fired up sometimes at me because I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a history buff. We talk about that all

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Speaker 1: the time on the show You are as well. But

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Speaker 1: growing up in the South, the idea of tearing down

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Speaker 1: Civil War statues, to me is an awful historical precedent

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Speaker 1: to be setting in America because, and Trump was one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent right about this, the goal is never to

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Speaker 1: just tear down a few statues and then people are

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Speaker 1: going to say, hey, you know what, we're good now.

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Speaker 1: Right in the same way, Buck, in the what I

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Speaker 1: used to like to use was which mascots are offensive?

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Speaker 1: Like if you told me, okay, let's have a rational,

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Speaker 1: reasonable discussion, I'll sit across the table from you, and

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Speaker 1: I will give up the Cleveland Indians mascot if you

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Speaker 1: guarantee me that the Kansas City Chiefs and the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Braves are not gonna have to go. We'll also give

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Speaker 1: Let's end the debate on mascot names once and for all.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't work, because the goal is you always have

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Speaker 1: to find a new one. And this is where Trump

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Speaker 1: was right right. We started off saying, hey, you got

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Speaker 1: to tear down that Robert E. Lee statue, that Stonewall

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Speaker 1: Ulysses s Grant statues were getting torn down, Abraham Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: If you were an old white guy who had a

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Speaker 1: I wish Joe Biden would just come out and say

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Speaker 1: he says, oh, I don't want to ban handguns. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he does, or at least his party does. Well, they

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Speaker 1: want to ban guns. They want to do what can

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Speaker 1: That's the real debate that we should have because that's

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Speaker 1: what their ultimate goal is. And if you don't ban handguns,

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Speaker 1: let's just be very clear, your gun control approach doesn't

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Speaker 1: even touch about ninety six percent, give or take, of

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Speaker 1: actual gun violence in the country. So, yes, the focus

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Speaker 1: on assault rifles and people say there's no such things

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Speaker 1: as assault rifle. I know, but there are states that

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Speaker 1: have now codified what they consider to be an assault rifle,

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Speaker 1: which is, and it varies right, semi automatic rifle with

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Speaker 1: usually certain cosmetic characteristics like a folding stock, like a

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Speaker 1: magazine that has more than I think it's more than

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Speaker 1: ten rounds, has a four grip on it, things like that. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: there's so much about this though, that is really just emotion,

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Speaker 1: and it's gun control pushed by emotion instead of the

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Speaker 1: actual results that specific policies would would create. Right, what

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Speaker 1: would actually happen if you did the following? Whoopee Goldberg,

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Speaker 1: she's on the view. We talk about the view here.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes she is seemingly certain that your AAR fifteen has

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Speaker 1: to go, But Clay, she is quite clear that you

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Speaker 1: can keep your quote yeehaw guns, AAR fifteen's got to go. God,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know, I'm sick of seeing people talk about, well,

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Speaker 1: we should do something. No, we should do something, and

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Speaker 1: I don't care. NR. You got to give that gun up.

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Speaker 1: You have your other yeehah guns, whatever you want. The

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Speaker 1: AR fifteen is not a hunting gun. It is not

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Speaker 1: a gun where you're going to go out and shoot

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Speaker 1: your dinner. This gun is meant to kill people. That's

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Speaker 1: what it's for, and you can't have it anymore. I

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Speaker 1: got a couple of things for you. First of all, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes we can, and we're going to continue to have it.

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Speaker 1: But beyond that, Clay couple of things. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I think we need to institute a rule where he

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Speaker 1: left or right doesn't matter if you start talking about hunting.

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Speaker 1: When we're talking with the Second Amendment, you have to

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Speaker 1: actually go read some books and learn something about what

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Speaker 1: my twenty gage peasant peasant shotgun. Like this is about

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Speaker 1: defense and a defense against tyranny and defense of the

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Speaker 1: individual in their homes. But beyond that also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're from Tennessee. I grew up in New York Cities.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what as a yeehah. What is a

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Speaker 1: yeeha gun? I'm just wondering. I mean, it seems to

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Speaker 1: me like there's a lot of open time. It's the

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Speaker 1: kind of gun that people in Red States have. Buck,

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Speaker 1: It's the kind of gun that people who would go

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Speaker 1: a stire you know? Or maybe we should put out

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Speaker 1: an official request to Whoopee to come on the show.

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Speaker 1: As big fans of the view that you and I

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Speaker 1: both are. Maybe she would come on, here's the thing

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Speaker 1: that I think is so interesting to build on your point, Buck,

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Speaker 1: The same people who are demanding that guns be pulled

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Speaker 1: as many guns as possible to Ukraine. Right, So, what's

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Speaker 1: And what's the first thing that happened? Left wingers put

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Speaker 1: we have to give as many weapons as possible to

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians so they can defend their homeland. Well, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the idea behind the Second Amendment historically, right. And

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Speaker 1: so I think what you get into is it's not

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Speaker 1: even really a gun debate. It's a culture debate. Yep. Right.

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Speaker 1: So much of what we have today, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: because there is and I think you saw it in COVID.

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Speaker 1: I think you see it in virtually every issue that's

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Speaker 1: talked about the deplorables in the way that Obama said

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Speaker 1: whatever it was that he said back then. There is,

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Speaker 1: and it's a remarkable transition. The Democrat Party used to

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Speaker 1: well with the guns you said yesterday, Buck, I thought

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Speaker 1: their pronouns in their bio. It's a culture thing. They

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Speaker 1: They are people who respond to what the next thing

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Speaker 1: one of the Libs. But yet on the gun issue,

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Speaker 1: what's so fascinating to me is that it's not just

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Speaker 1: because I know what people could say, Okay, buck fine,

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Speaker 1: WHOOPI Goldberg. Her heart's in the right place and she

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Speaker 1: doesn't know a lot about guns. Put that aside for

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Speaker 1: a second, although I did think just the concept of

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Speaker 1: a yeeha gun, I mean clay. When we go to

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Speaker 1: the range in Tennessee together this fall, we're busting out

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Speaker 1: some yeha guns. I'm just saying. But beyond that, Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know what the heck he's talking about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Listen to what he said about guns on Monday. Bunny

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Speaker 1: the life. A nine millimeter bullet flows the lung out

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Speaker 1: of the body. So the idea is high caliber weapons.

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Speaker 1: There will sly no rational faceis for he forms of

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Speaker 1: but about self perfection, economy, no rational bait for there

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Speaker 1: audio wasn't greatful, Just so everyone can you can understand

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Speaker 1: that was Joe Biden, who's calling for immin an action

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Speaker 1: on guns. Who is saying, you know, a nine millimeter

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Speaker 1: COVID because so many parents behaved irrationally analyzing risk there

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Speaker 1: your kids. I'm sure that mother did not get in

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Speaker 1: her car and have a near panic attack over the

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Speaker 1: fact that they might get into a traffic accident and

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Speaker 1: she and her child might die on the way to school.

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Speaker 1: It's infinitely more likely that that would happen. But what

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Speaker 1: happens is and this is one of the great quotes

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Speaker 1: that it applies I think, even better almost today than

435
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Speaker 1: ever before. Benjamin Franklin said, passion rules, and she never

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Speaker 1: rules wisely. And what we have in social media, Buck,

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Speaker 1: is every single day it feels like there is a

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Speaker 1: new emotional lever that is pulled that people are required

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Speaker 1: to respond to, and that has been wear your mask

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Speaker 1: in your profile, pick, put the Ukraine flag up, demand

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Speaker 1: that all guns no longer be sold. And those are

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Speaker 1: all emotion based responses. And so this is important, I think.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we're gonna take your calls when

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Speaker 1: we come back. In one bit of news that I

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Speaker 1: just saw, we've also got a verdict in that amber

446
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Speaker 1: heard Johnny Depp trial, Buck, that everybody has been obsessed with,

447
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Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll get that verdict here before the show ends.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can go lie to you. You've been following

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Speaker 1: that with a little more closely than me. So I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious to hear what you think about what the

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Speaker 1: verdict is. Yeah, the double defamation case against each other.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what the jury has ultimately come to that conclusion.

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Speaker 1: So that's going to happen. We'll take your calls to

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Speaker 1: close out by the way the second hour of the program.

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Speaker 1: But I do think this is very important. If you

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Speaker 1: eliminated every mass shooting in America, do you know what

457
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Speaker 1: percentage of murders would still exist? Ninety nine percent of them.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that somebody's gonna grab and be like

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Speaker 1: Klain's ravis minimize it. No. Look, I wish that nobody

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Speaker 1: ever got shot, right, I'm as anti death as anyone

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Speaker 1: out there on the planet. I wish we all live forever. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's instructive. I think very few

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Speaker 1: people understand that mass shootings are penprick of the violence

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Speaker 1: that happens on a day to day basis, because they

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Speaker 1: are terrifying because they grab the headlines. But ninety nine

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Speaker 1: percent of all shootings and all violence that's occurring has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with mass shooters. And the safest place

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Speaker 1: your kids can be at school sometimes we're making irrational decisions,

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Speaker 1: and certainly we saw this with COVID over irrational understandings

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Speaker 1: and analysis of risk. So I just think all those

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Speaker 1: factors are important to put into play here, and I

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Speaker 1: understand why that it's powerful from a mother perspective or

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Speaker 1: a father perspective for somebody to be saying I had

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Speaker 1: a panic attack because I was terrified that my kid's

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Speaker 1: never going to come out of school again, and somebody's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to save them and everything else, anything can happen.

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Speaker 1: The statistical likelihood of that happening is roughly akin to

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Speaker 1: your kid being struck by lightning walking into the school.

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Speaker 1: Probably worse than that. I mean, there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: often fatal, it's it's horrific. There have been in the

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Speaker 1: last hundred years in this country about one hundred cases

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Speaker 1: of it. And you can get it, you know, young

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Speaker 1: to be terrified exactly right now. But we could have

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Speaker 1: It's not worth the worry. And because of social media,

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Speaker 1: C and B twenty four seven Walking Back in Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. We are taking to your calls.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of people who want to weigh

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Speaker 1: in with a variety of opinions on a variety of topics.

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Speaker 1: Let's go first out to Iowa. Mike, what you got

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Speaker 1: for us? Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call, always

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Speaker 1: listening to you, and you're doing a great job. Thanks Mike,

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00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Hey, I've been in law enforcement for about

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Speaker 1: eighteen and a half years and was able to be

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Speaker 1: a firearms instructor for about fifteen of that. And I

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Speaker 1: heard them talking about not using AAR fifteens for hunting. Well,

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Speaker 1: in Iowa, they're actually legal in certain calibers and they

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00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: use big, heavy slow bullets in an AR fifteen and

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00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: people in my hunting party actually use them to good effect.

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Speaker 1: So can I ask you, Mike, first of all, thanks

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Speaker 1: for serving your community as LA enforcement officer. You're a

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Speaker 1: firearms X, where are you a firearms expertise? What sir

548
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: is a yeehaw gun. I think he's trying to categorize

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Speaker 1: gun owners as maybe rednecks yep, and less eddicated and

550
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Speaker 1: people who live over here in fly over country like me.

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00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, Mike gave a very astute

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Speaker 1: and accurate political analysis of the commentary from the view

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Speaker 1: I have to say, but I thought maybe would get

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Speaker 1: you know, something belt fed. You know. Anyway, He's he's

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Speaker 1: right in that there's a disdain, Mike. You're right, there's

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Speaker 1: a disdain from the anti gun crowd, not just for

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Speaker 1: the guns, for the gun owners. It's very real. And

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Speaker 1: I'm off today and this evening, I'm gonna take my

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Speaker 1: beautiful conservative life to the range and she's going to

560
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Speaker 1: shoot her Signine millimeter pistol and we're gonna have kind

561
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Speaker 1: of a fun little date. I mean, my favorite thing

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Speaker 1: to do, thanks so much, Mike. My favorite thing to

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Speaker 1: do when I go down to Florida visit my brother,

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Speaker 1: my brothers. We're both now Florida residence is. I got

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Speaker 1: one brother who's got a great collection and now also

566
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Speaker 1: has some fantastic suppressors to go along with them, which

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Speaker 1: makes the whole shooting experience more enjoyable and looks pretty

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Speaker 1: cool andy in up. By the way, that's a big

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Speaker 1: difference from everything is massively different for you when you

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Speaker 1: get on a plane in New York and land in Florida,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? Yeah? Is there anything better from your perspective

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00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: when you get on a plane in Florida and go

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Speaker 1: back to New York? Is there anything like you're like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad to be back to New York because

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Speaker 1: I have something in New York that I don't have

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Speaker 1: in Florida. I mean, I can order Vietnamese food at

577
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Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning here, but you know, name

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Speaker 1: your cuisine of choice. But that's pretty much where it

579
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Speaker 1: stops and starts in terms of the advantages. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial verdict is going to

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Speaker 1: be read at three pm Eastern, so that means it's

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Speaker 1: going to come on right after we go on. We

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Speaker 1: have to talk about this is awful. Can I get

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Speaker 1: your prediction, though, Clay, what do you think who won?

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Speaker 1: I think the jury is yeah, good question. I think

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Speaker 1: the jury is going to find both of these people

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Speaker 1: relatively unlikable because they're both super wealthy. Regardless of which

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Speaker 1: side you came down on, they did not have a

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Speaker 1: good relationship and it was toxic in both directions. So

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Speaker 1: I think the most likely outcome is that basically neither

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Speaker 1: one of them get much of an award for defamation.

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Speaker 1: It's basically like a pox on both your houses. So

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Speaker 1: I would expect that they'll give some sort of diminimous award,

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Speaker 1: maybe a hundred K to Johnny Depp or something like that,

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Speaker 1: and Amber Heard gets, you know, forty or fifty K,

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Speaker 1: because I do think the damages are more significant to

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Speaker 1: Depth's career than they have been to Amber Heard's career.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure that either party has proven defamation

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Speaker 1: claims against the other. This is a little bit like

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Speaker 1: Kissinger with their rock fighting Iran. I hope they can

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Speaker 1: both lose. Yeah, yeah, a little yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be the I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a six week trial, So imagine Buck that you are

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Speaker 1: taken out of your normal life for six weeks. You

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Speaker 1: make fifty thousand dollars a year, and you hear from

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Speaker 1: two people who are super rich and hate each other.

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Speaker 1: Are you really thinking like, oh, I really identify more

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Speaker 1: with one super rich person than the other one, or

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Speaker 1: you thinking both of these guys and girl also they're toxic. Also,

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Speaker 1: I would just be so resentful having had to waste

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Speaker 1: my time as a human being six sits there and

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Speaker 1: sift through. Although you know what, actually, I'm sure some

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Speaker 1: of them will probably start doing some interviews book deal.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not thinking that from that perspective. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it doesn't it doesn't matter in the cosmos who

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Speaker 1: wins this thing. It doesn't matter in the Grant's game

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Speaker 1: of life. But you know, it might be able to

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Speaker 1: monetize it a little bit. Andy in upstate New York

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Speaker 1: has got some thoughts on gun issues. What's up, bandy,

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Speaker 1: Hey guys. Well, you know, as a resident of the

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Speaker 1: People's Republic of New York, I'm accustomed to having the

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Speaker 1: anti gun boot pressed ever heavier into my throat to

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Speaker 1: you and me both, buddy, every week up here. But

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Second Amendment and how the gun

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Speaker 1: grabbers ultimate objective is to repeal the Second Amendment. The

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Speaker 1: point is they don't need to repeal it. All they

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Speaker 1: need to do is get that court stack the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court and get a majority of judges to rule that

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Speaker 1: the Second Amendment is a collective right rather than an

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Speaker 1: individual right, and all bets are off for states like

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Speaker 1: you know, New York, California. We're done. It is true

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Speaker 1: that basement. Thank you for the call that based on

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Speaker 1: the state where you live. I mean, for instance, some

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Speaker 1: states require you to be twenty one years old to

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Speaker 1: buy weapons, others eighteen. There's some debate about what the

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Speaker 1: appropriate age should be, but it would be interesting to

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Speaker 1: think about. Because you've got right now, Buck, I mean,

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Speaker 1: basically Washing DC in New York City. It's almost impossible

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Speaker 1: to have a more restrictive gun regulation system than is

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Speaker 1: in place in both of those cities. Here. The laws

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Speaker 1: in New York when it comes to handguns and carry

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Speaker 1: are so complicated that the people who write and enforce

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Speaker 1: the laws cannot give straight answers as to what is

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Speaker 1: a violation of the law. And I'm not kidding, that's

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Speaker 1: a real thing that they've had to deal with. They

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Speaker 1: can't even tell you. By the way, speaking of the law,

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Speaker 1: we've got our friend Andy McCarthy joining us here on

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Speaker 1: that big Sussman acquittal, which was frustrating the Russia collusion narrative,

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Speaker 1: What does this do to that? And we could also

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Speaker 1: have Andy, who was a Southern District of New York

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Speaker 1: prosecutor for over twenty years, way in on heard first

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Speaker 1: instead of having which is a little bit like asking

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Speaker 1: Socrates to philosophize over the latest Justin Bieber album or something,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, we'll ask him about it. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we should have just gone all in on Johnny Depp

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Speaker 1: and Amberheard. Based on the ratings, we probably would have

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Speaker 1: had the highest rate in month in the history of

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. If we've gone all in. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: with Andy McCarthy next. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on

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Speaker 1: the front lines of truth