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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Du take a chance on the addition as the Bengals

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Speaker 2: turn to former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco as they

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Speaker 2: head to Green Bay to face the Packers. Coming up,

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Speaker 2: we'll hear from players and coaches on their new quarterback

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Speaker 2: and discuss why the Bengals front office made the move.

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Speaker 2: Now plus one on one conversations with Kevin Harlan from CBS,

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Speaker 2: Bengals defensive line coach Jerry Montgomery, who spent nine years

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Speaker 2: in Green Bay, and in this week's No The Faux segment,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to the voice of the Packers.

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Speaker 2: thing since an attempted on side punt. If you watched

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Speaker 2: last week's game against Detroit, something very confusing happened with

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Speaker 2: less than two minutes to go. After Jake Browning was

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Speaker 2: tackled in the end zone for a safety, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: were required to do a free kick from their own twenty.

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Speaker 2: Punter Ryan Rico handled it, and here's what you heard

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Speaker 2: on TV.

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Speaker 3: A sack safety for the Lions.

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Speaker 4: They have pushed their lead to thirteen.

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Speaker 5: And now the high pooch free kick and the fair

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Speaker 5: catch call.

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Speaker 6: For and made by Amaran Saint.

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Speaker 5: Brown at the forty six yard Libel.

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Speaker 2: So the ball was at the forty six but there

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Speaker 2: was a penalty on the play that advanced it thirty

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Speaker 6: It'll be the receiving team's ball half the distance from

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Speaker 6: the spot of the kick at the ten yard line.

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Speaker 3: First down, and there is an unsportsmanlike conduct on the

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Speaker 3: free kick, and the Lions are going to have it

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Speaker 3: well into the red zone.

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Speaker 2: So what the heck happened? Well, believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals tried an onside punt. We think of onside

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Speaker 2: kicks as bouncing balls kicked off a tee where you're

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Speaker 2: hoping for a high hop or a muff by the

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Speaker 2: other team, but it is legal after a safety to

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Speaker 2: onside punt. In fact, when Don Shula was the coach

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Speaker 2: of the Dolphins, Miami pulled one off against the Bengals

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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one. Website ranks it as the thirty

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Speaker 2: sixth the greatest play in Dolphins history. The rules have

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Speaker 2: changed since then, after the league adopted the dynamic kickoff

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Speaker 2: rule last year. Teams now have to alert opponents when

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Speaker 2: they are attempting an on side kick, and that still

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Speaker 2: applies after a safety, so that element of surprise was gone,

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Speaker 2: but you can still try to the opponent with how

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Speaker 2: you do it. What the Bengals were trying to do

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Speaker 2: last week is have punter Ryan Rico kick the ball

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Speaker 2: straight up in the air and hope that somebody who

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Speaker 2: but Rico punted the ball a bit too far. Under

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Speaker 2: the current rules, an on side kick has to land

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Speaker 2: was between the thirty and forty five yard lines. Rico's

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Speaker 2: kick went to the forty six, one yard too far.

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Speaker 2: The penalty for an on sidekick that goes untouched beyond

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Speaker 2: I've seen in fifteen years as the Bengals announcer, and

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Speaker 2: would have been one of the coolest things. Now, let's

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Speaker 2: get to this week's big news. In the fourth quarter

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Speaker 2: of last week's game, Jake Browning threw three touchdown passes,

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Speaker 2: but it was clear in his postgame news conference that

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Speaker 7: I need to play better and there's literally no hiding

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Speaker 7: from that. And I don't care if every person on

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Speaker 7: the team says they need to play better. It starts

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Speaker 7: with me playing better at the quarterback position and not

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Speaker 7: putting our team in difficult situations. And there's no hiding

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Speaker 2: Jake proved two years ago that he can play in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, but for whatever reason, he wasn't playing well

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Speaker 2: this year and it was getting hard to stick with

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, who started against the Bengals in Week one.

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Speaker 2: Here's what Joe Burrow said about him before that game.

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Speaker 8: lot of people give him credit for, and I think

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Speaker 8: that I've ever seen. You know, he can spin it

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Speaker 2: The Bengals saw that an opening day, as Flacco threw

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Speaker 2: for two hundred and ninety yards, and while he threw

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Speaker 5: On first and goal from the five, Flacco, looking to pass,

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Speaker 5: by Cedric Tilman for at cleveland go ahead touchdown.

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Speaker 6: Joe Flacco gives the old fish pump have to throwing

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Speaker 6: that pass in the middle of the field, realizing that

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Speaker 6: by Cedric Tilman. Flacco pat his eyes on him the

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Speaker 6: whole way, a delibered a strike.

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Speaker 2: Flacco started four games for the Brown this year, and

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Speaker 2: three weeks ago he beat the team he'll face this Sunday,

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Speaker 9: Played him a lot, watched him a lot, brings great

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Speaker 9: great experience, great leadership. His style fits our style of

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Speaker 9: start him this week. So he's gonna take all the reps,

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Speaker 9: get ready to go. Already spent a lot of time

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Speaker 9: meeting with us, getting at the speed, So feel really

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Speaker 9: good about where he's at. I mean, it's different than

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Speaker 9: challenge you. No that, but he's played Green Bay this year,

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Speaker 9: that's the nice part. Is now the communication and the

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Speaker 9: and all that stuff's different, but at least he's got

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Speaker 10: He's a great.

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Speaker 9: Passer, and again, we've got to expand all areas of

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Speaker 9: our offense to be better, to be able to efficient

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Speaker 9: run the football, protect all that.

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Speaker 1: Kind of stuff.

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Speaker 9: But the number one trait you're looking for is a

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Speaker 9: guy that can operate your system into the football and

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Speaker 9: Joe has always been a tremendous passer in this league

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Speaker 9: and have seen it, and so now we got treminous

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Speaker 9: weapons that he can play around, and so I'm excited

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Speaker 2: The Browns have turned a rookie quarterback, Dylan Gabriel, so

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Speaker 2: they were willing to trade Flacco in order to move

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Speaker 2: up in next year's draft. The Bengals gave up a

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Speaker 2: pick in return. But why do the Bengals make this

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Speaker 2: move now? Well, just look at the AFC North. The

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Speaker 2: Steelers are three and one, but the jury is still

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Speaker 2: out on just how good Pittsburgh really is. The Ravens

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Speaker 2: are also one in four in rebuilding mode. It might

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Speaker 2: not take ten wins to capture the division this year.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals are two and three and after playing at

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Speaker 2: Green Bay this week, have three straight home games against

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Speaker 2: the Steelers, Jets, and Bears. They are still very much

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Speaker 2: alive with the hope of getting Joe Burrow back in December.

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Speaker 2: Here are Orlando Brown and Chase Brown on the front

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Speaker 2: office taking action.

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Speaker 11: I think it's, you know, more so a message too

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Speaker 11: from the front office and ownership, you know, letting the

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Speaker 11: world know that you know that this is important to us,

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Speaker 11: and we do see that, we know that, and I

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Speaker 11: imagine Joe Burrow will be back to at some point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I think it shows that they want to win and

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Speaker 12: winning as a priority, and yeah, I think so. I

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Speaker 12: think it shows their commitment to this locker room, the

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Speaker 2: Flacco has two former teammates on the Bengals roster, dating

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Speaker 2: back to the twenty nineteen Denver Broncos, tight end Noah

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Speaker 2: Fant and offensive lineman Dalton Reisner. Asked Reisner if Flacco

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Speaker 2: can get up to speed in four days of practice

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Speaker 1: I do believe that he can do that.

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Speaker 4: He is a sixteen year I don't want to out

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Speaker 4: speak sixteen or seventeen year vet in this league. I

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Speaker 4: think he's fifty nine years old, right, something like that,

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Speaker 4: And I'm just kidding, he's like forty regardless. He's a

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Speaker 4: guy that's gonna come in here and be a VET

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Speaker 4: and know how to do that, and he's going to

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Speaker 4: be on top of his p's and q's.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna learn the offense.

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Speaker 4: He's about to go out there and command it and

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Speaker 4: put his best foot forward to help us win.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine there has ever been a quarterback to

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Speaker 2: beat the same opponent twice in three weeks while playing

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Speaker 2: for two different teams. But that's what Flacco will try

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Speaker 2: to do on Sunday. I talked about that and much

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Speaker 2: more with one of the guys who will call the

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Speaker 2: game on CBS my son Sam has excellent taste in broadcasters,

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Speaker 2: and his favorite is not his dad. It's our guest

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Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan, who will be on the mic for CBS

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Speaker 2: this week. Kevin, we got quite the plot twist this

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Speaker 2: week with the Bengals acquisition of Joe Flacco having a

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati assignment this week. What was your reaction?

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Speaker 10: Stunned? But it makes sense. He knows the division. He

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Speaker 10: is a quarterback who has seen everything. He's reached the

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Speaker 10: highest of highs. He's had some difficult moments, but he

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Speaker 10: continues to go on. You know, Dan, I thought at

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Speaker 10: one time that after he had signed the big contract

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Speaker 10: with Baltimore and had won the Super Bowl, and I

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Speaker 10: know he's a family man and all that, and I thought,

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Speaker 10: you know, I could see him finding other priorities in life.

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Speaker 10: I may be wrong in this assumption. And while we've

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Speaker 10: interviewed him over the years, I haven't seen him much recently.

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Speaker 10: I think his love for the game, which has always

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Speaker 10: been there, it kind of feels like it's grown the

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Speaker 10: older he's gotten and the more years he's piled up

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Speaker 10: on his resume. Is being an NFL quarterback, He's good

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Speaker 10: at it. He's a great locker room influence, and if

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Speaker 10: any team was ready to make a move, it was

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Speaker 10: probably yours. Poor Jake was was clearly was struggling, and

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Speaker 10: this is maybe shot in the arm Joe gets back

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Speaker 10: Wrapping up, let's think of any other I should My

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Speaker 10: But for whatever reason, they took on a red hot

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Speaker 2: Did the Micah Parsons trade change your view of the Packers'

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Speaker 10: and we'd have our lunch break during training camp, I

435
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Speaker 10: would sneak up the stairs into the press box at

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Speaker 10: lambeau Field, the old lambeau Field, and go in the

437
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 10: break the broadcast booth of the radio network, it didn't

438
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Speaker 10: matter which close the door, and do imaginary games in

439
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Speaker 10: my head. When I was like eleven and twelve years old.

440
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Speaker 10: And then when I got to actually broadcast when I

441
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Speaker 10: was thirteen fourteen years old at our high school radio station,

442
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 10: would go on there even more and practice these imaginary

443
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Speaker 10: games in lambeau Field in a broadcast booth onto an

444
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Speaker 10: empty field, and a and not a soul could be

445
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Speaker 10: seen in the Bowl of lambeau Field, and that's where

446
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Speaker 10: I would do these imaginary games out loud where no

447
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Speaker 10: one could hear me, and I did that for many years,

448
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 10: would go up there. I'm sure that had there been

449
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Speaker 10: a cleaning person up there, someone that was getting something

450
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 10: in the press box would maybe listing what's what's going

451
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Speaker 10: on there? Like who? And then it never happened. I

452
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 10: was never caught, but it would always sneak in and

453
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Speaker 10: get in and shut the door and do these games

454
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Speaker 10: for like a half hour and just and here I

455
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Speaker 10: was eleven, twelve years old broadcasting in lambeau Field. And

456
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Speaker 10: then as as luck would have it, and as the

457
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Speaker 10: great fortune that has been bestowed upon my career would

458
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Speaker 10: would lead me to do games and Lambeau eventually do

459
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Speaker 10: their preseason games as I've done since two thousand and three,

460
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 10: done multiple championship games there, Monday night football games, and

461
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Speaker 10: a lot of Fox and CBS games there. So I'm

462
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Speaker 10: living out a dream every time I'm in that stadium

463
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Speaker 10: doing a game. And now I've got my family in

464
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Speaker 10: the seats right below me. W're season ticket holders. And

465
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 10: my dad was there for thirty seven years, and he

466
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 10: was the one who hired, Holmgren hired Ron Wolf, was

467
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Speaker 10: in the room when they made the trade to get FARV,

468
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 10: made the deal to sign Reggie White, drafted Rogers hired

469
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Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy. So he was there, Dan hiring two Hall

470
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Speaker 10: of Fame Super Bowl winning gms, two Super Bowl winning coaches,

471
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Speaker 10: and two Hall of Fame quarterbacks. He was in that

472
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Speaker 10: room when those decisions were made, and as president and CEO,

473
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Speaker 10: the buck always stopped with him. So you could have

474
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Speaker 10: a clever GM or coach or whatever personnel guy say hey,

475
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Speaker 10: we should do this, but at the end of the day,

476
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Speaker 10: he had to a prove it, and he did. And

477
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 10: so we're most and he's still alive. He's eighty nine.

478
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Speaker 10: My mom is eighty seven. They live in Green Bay,

479
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 10: is a five minute drive from lambeau Field. So they're

480
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 10: very much with it. By the grace of God, their

481
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 10: health is good enough. They still get it, and they

482
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Speaker 10: watch games and they enjoy it like a lot of

483
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Speaker 10: fans do.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I admire about you is that

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Speaker 2: you don't rest on your laurels. Are you on a

486
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Speaker 2: never ending quest to improve as a sports broadcast?

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Speaker 10: Well, like you, we have a same I think spirit

488
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Speaker 10: in this business, dan Is, your accolades would say that

489
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Speaker 10: that if you do rest and exhale, there are younger

490
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 10: broadcasters that are just salivating to be in our seats.

491
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Speaker 10: Right is the voice of a team. You're a voice

492
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Speaker 10: of a major college and an NFL team. There are

493
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Speaker 10: not many of those guys in the business. You're one

494
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 10: of them and have done it so well for so

495
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Speaker 10: many years. And so I never take this job lightly.

496
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Speaker 10: And I think it goes back because it's not that

497
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 10: we're scared or we're frightened about what might be. It's

498
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Speaker 10: that we enjoy the process of getting better. So, like you,

499
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Speaker 10: I listen to my games, I critique my work. I

500
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 10: feel like, you know, I could do that better, I

501
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 10: can improve in this area or whatever. And I like

502
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Speaker 10: that challenge. It keeps your mind going and evolving in

503
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Speaker 10: the right direction. There will be a day when I'm sure,

504
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 10: speaking for myself, that I say, you know, I don't

505
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Speaker 10: know that I've got the love of the business that

506
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 10: I once had to want to get better. Let me,

507
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 10: let me just get in there and just do the

508
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Speaker 10: game and then move on to the next. I really

509
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Speaker 10: don't look at it like that. I think I'm a

510
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 10: part paranoid, part scared. I feel like I'm young enough

511
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Speaker 10: that I've still got a lot of good years ahead

512
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Speaker 10: of me. But I want to make sure that I

513
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Speaker 10: don't when that day comes that I do leave that

514
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Speaker 10: I'm I'm not regretting not putting in the work necessary

515
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Speaker 10: to be up to date. Let me tell you, I

516
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 10: don't know what you think, but I'm watching when we

517
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 10: do these games, like the offenses have never move faster,

518
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 10: there's never been more no huddle, there's never been more

519
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 10: sub packages coming in and staying on top of that

520
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 10: in a game from way up into the press. That's

521
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 10: a hard thing to do. It's hard, and I do

522
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 10: it on radio and on TV. Both they're different ways

523
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 10: of looking at it, but the same thing is, Man,

524
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 10: you've got to pay attention and you've got to make

525
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 10: sure that you go into these games prepared. So I'm scared.

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Speaker 10: I read I read a quote by Scully one time,

527
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Speaker 10: the great legendary Dodger broadcaster, who said, fear drives me

528
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 10: a lot. I never want to let my listeners down.

529
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Speaker 10: I never want to let myself down by not being

530
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 10: fully prepared but into the game and staying ahead of

531
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Speaker 10: the posse in other words, making sure that they find

532
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 10: no reason to really attack my work. And that's what

533
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 10: kept him going. And I read that as a young broadcaster,

534
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 10: so that's that's a good model to live by, and

535
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 10: so I kind of have.

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Speaker 2: That totally rings true. Leave it to Vin Scully to

537
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Speaker 2: nail it. Final question for Kevin Harlan. I'm sure you've

538
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: heard this one before, but I've never your answer. If

539
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: you could call a sporting event that you've never had

540
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: the opportunity to do and probably won't have the opportunity

541
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Speaker 2: to do, what would it be.

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Speaker 10: Well, I've had the chance a couple of times to

543
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 10: do Major League Baseball. When I was in my twenties

544
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 10: and doing the University of Missouri and the Chiefs on

545
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 10: radio Saturday Sunday back to back like you do with

546
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 10: the Bearcats and the Bengals. There was an opportunity in

547
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 10: my twenties, newly married with our first child, to do

548
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 10: Cardinal Baseball with Jack Buck and Mike Shannon on KMOX

549
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 10: and drove in there and did a practice game, and

550
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 10: they heard the tape and they liked it, and it

551
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 10: was there, and I chose not to my dad before

552
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 10: I became the president of the Packers, was with the

553
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 10: Saint Louis Baseball Cardinals and was the pr director back

554
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 10: in the sixties, and he got out of baseball because

555
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 10: it wasn't he thought he loved the job. It was

556
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 10: a great job, but not for a family man. It's

557
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 10: a hard job if you're a family man and are

558
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 10: away from your family that one hundred and sixty two

559
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 10: games and away from your family and all that, and

560
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 10: every day, and during the great summer months where you know,

561
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 10: vacations are gone now and so all that. So when

562
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 10: he got out, you know that I remember the decision

563
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 10: process he made, and my wife and I made the

564
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 10: decision not to do baseball, and then had a chance

565
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 10: with the Red Sox not too long ago to be

566
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Speaker 10: involved in their broadcasts and chose not to do that.

567
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 10: But and answer you to question, if I could on

568
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 10: radio doing play by play. The great broadcasters in our

569
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 10: business have some kind of a baseball background. And when

570
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 10: I talk to young broadcasters, say do a lot of

571
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Speaker 10: radio baseball because it will help you develop voice and

572
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 10: pacing and reporting and all these things that we need

573
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Speaker 10: to be whether you do basketball or football, if you

574
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 10: can do baseball, I think you can do the other sports,

575
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 10: and I do, and it's great for delivery development and

576
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 10: voice development and cadence and all those things. But doing

577
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 10: a game on radio, baseball on radio some random Wednesday night,

578
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 10: maybe in July, and just describing as the shadows are growing,

579
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 10: as the sun is setting, and described because you've got

580
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 10: time between pitches to describe what's going on. In football, man,

581
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 10: you got doing doo doo doo doom, and in basketball,

582
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 10: so like you're constantly just trying to keep up with

583
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 10: the action. But the one thing on radio that makes

584
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 10: it so great is when you can paint the total

585
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 10: picture and you can hear the popcorn guy in the

586
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 10: stands that reaches that microphone or or or you can

587
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 10: see a movement of a shortstop a little bit more

588
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 10: to the left, a little bit more to the right.

589
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Speaker 10: And I remember reading one thing about Red Barber and

590
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 10: how he, when he was broadcasting the Brooklyn Dodgers, was

591
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Speaker 10: describing a rainstorm that he could see building over left field,

592
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Speaker 10: over Brooklyn, and how it was moving slowly toward Ebbett's Field,

593
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Speaker 10: and how then there were rain drops, and how and

594
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Speaker 10: how the rain drops on the bill of the cap

595
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Speaker 10: of Pee Wee Reese he could see the drops and

596
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 10: he could see the wind picking up in the dust

597
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 10: blowing off the mound, and I thought, man, I like,

598
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 10: those those are moments that just there. If you saw

599
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 10: it, it wouldn't resonate, but when you hear it in the

600
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 10: theater of your mind, it just builds this great picture.

601
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 10: And I thought, that's what I wanted to do. And

602
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 10: that's where I got my love of radio, which I

603
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 10: do every Monday night. And there's not a lot of

604
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 10: time to describe that kind of stuff, but when there is,

605
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 10: and when you can describe it, I think those calls,

606
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 10: your call of a Joe Burrow touchdown. Those calls if

607
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 10: you listen to them driving by yourself on I seventy

608
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 10: five or wherever you may be, like, they stick in

609
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 10: your head, like you can almost picture it more here

610
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 10: than you could if you saw it with your own

611
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 10: two eyes. So I love the challenge that radio brings,

612
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 10: and that that's where my love of doing radio baseball,

613
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 10: I think would be. And a long answer to your question,

614
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 10: and I'm sorry, but that's I love those I love

615
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 10: those challenges of creating in people's minds that that vision

616
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 10: where they can see in the theater of their mind.

617
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 10: What happened, what kind of catch, what kind of ground

618
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 10: ball was grabbed? You know, what kind of jump shot

619
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 10: was taken? Where it is on the floor. Those things,

620
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 10: to me, that's why get into broadcasting, the challenge of

621
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 10: doing that the right way.

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Speaker 2: Nobody has done football on the radio.

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Speaker 10: Batter now, hold now, hold on. Now, you are too kind.

624
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 10: We're friends, and that's why I you say that, I've

625
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 10: heard your No. No, I'm going to disagree. I love

626
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 10: your call, and that's why you've been honored so many

627
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 10: times in a very competitive state, and why you have

628
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 10: the reputation you have in our business. But I join

629
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 10: with you. We are joined at the hip. We love

630
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 10: our job, we love radio, and aren't we lucky to

631
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 10: be in this stage, at this stage of our lives,

632
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 10: to have these kind of platforms and calling NFL games

633
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 10: and major college football and basketball games like that? It

634
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 10: gets no better than that, does it?

635
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 1: Well?

636
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 10: How lucky are we? How lucky are we?

637
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: Couldn't be any luckier? And Samboard is going to love

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00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: this segment. Kevin, Thank you so much, my friend. Really

639
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Look forward to seeing you this weekend.

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00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 10: Love you, Dan, and I love you. As a friend

641
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 10: and who's a broadcaster. It's so fun to visit. And

642
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 10: I'll see you in Lambeau the Cathedral of NFL football

643
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 10: Sunday morning. I'll look forward to that.

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649
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Kevin Harlan

650
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: called Lambeau Field the Cathedral of NFL football, and nobody

651
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: at pay Corp Stadium knows that better than the Bengals

652
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: new defensive line coach this year, Jerry Montgomery. Jerry, you

653
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: are a Packers assistant coach for nine years now you

654
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: are going back to Lambeau. It can't be just another

655
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: game for you. Is there anything in particular you're looking

656
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: forward to?

657
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: You know what? Being there for nine years?

658
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 13: I have when I say friends are like family, meaning

659
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 13: there's still guys there that I work with, but more importantly,

660
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 13: our kids grew up there, so we have a cabin

661
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 13: in Eagle River, Wisconsin. We will always call that home

662
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 13: now regardless of where we live at. So it'll be

663
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 13: great to see all of my neighbors and friends. And

664
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 13: then you know what's cool is my son is getting

665
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 13: his first collegiate start at linebacker against the Badger Saturday night.

666
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 13: So I'm gonna try to sneak out and get to

667
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 13: that game. So he played, you know, they went to

668
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 13: the state championship and he played in Madison. Now he's

669
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 13: getting his first start in Madison against Madison. So yeah,

670
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 13: so we'll have a lot of friends all week in

671
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 13: to see.

672
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: I've only been to Lambeau once. That's when the Bengals

673
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: played there eight years ago. It's a bucket list type

674
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: experience for me. When you work there every day, do

675
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: you feel the history and do you feel like it's

676
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: a big advantage.

677
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 13: You definitely feel the history. It's an unbelievable place to

678
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 13: work and unbelievable place to play a footba. You walk

679
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 13: through the tunnels and you feel it. It's neat even

680
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 13: practicing there. There's an air about it. So and what's

681
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 13: cool is when you pull in and you see now

682
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 13: it's a little different now, because people have tore down

683
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 13: those homes and built massive places across the street. They're

684
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 13: big tailgate places. But it's just it's a really neat environment.

685
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 13: It's probably as close to college environment as you'll feel

686
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 13: in most places. But yeah, neat venue, a lot of

687
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 13: history and cool place.

688
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: Green Bay is the smallest market in the US that

689
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: has a professional sports team. It's a city of about

690
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people. As a Packers player or coach,

691
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: do you feel like you're in a fish bowl a

692
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: little bit just because there's such a spotlight on the Packers?

693
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 13: I would say, you know, maybe for a player. As

694
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 13: a coach, I'd say no. I think people are very welcoming,

695
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 13: welcoming and they treat you as one and especially if

696
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 13: you're a normal person. If you know, there's not too

697
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 13: many people that walk around meaning you know, and think

698
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 13: that they're better than you. So when you act like that,

699
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 13: that's when you stand alone. But for a player, I

700
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 13: could see people knowing who you are. But I think

701
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 13: those guys, you know, it's Milwaukee's two hours away, Chicago's

702
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 13: three hours away, so.

703
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: We're visiting the Bengals defensive line coach Jerry Montgomery let's

704
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: talk defense. Seems a little odd to say, maybe after

705
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: the opponent scored thirty seven points, But I thought the

706
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: defense played pretty well last week against the NFL's number

707
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: one offense. You forced five punts. Nobody's forced more against Detroit.

708
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: You got to take away in the game what was

709
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: good last Sunday, what wasn't up to your standard.

710
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 13: We're taking the right steps each and every week. You know,

711
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 13: they were average and I don't know if it was

712
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 13: like four point nine or five something or carry. And

713
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 13: if we don't give up the one big run, we

714
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 13: keep them below two, below three, we give up the

715
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 13: one big one.

716
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: You know.

717
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 13: So like we're building a mindset and a culture from

718
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 13: a run game standpoint, and you know, you got to

719
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 13: earn the right to pass rush, and so I think

720
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 13: those guys, we're doing that and we're getting in them

721
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 13: some longer down in distance, more than they've probably had

722
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 13: all year.

723
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: But you know, so it starts there.

724
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 13: So you're just building a culture and identity, and you know,

725
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 13: guys are playing hard. No one's quitting. You know, we

726
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 13: got to eliminate the mistakes that are happening, and it's football.

727
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 13: Things are going to happen. It's just like, you know,

728
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 13: you can't let them compound. But we're heading in the

729
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 13: right direction. We're nowhere near where we're going to be,

730
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 13: but you know, hopefully people are seeing the change and

731
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 13: the guys are working to stremely hard.

732
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: One negative has been opening drives. Opponents have scored touchdowns

733
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: in for the first five games. Has there been a

734
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: common denominator? Is there something that stands out on those

735
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: opening drives?

736
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: We talk about that every day.

737
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 13: I don't know if it was Cleveland and then Minnesota,

738
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 13: but you know, you got penalties that extend drives. One

739
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 13: of those drives, there was three or four third down penalties.

740
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: Uh.

741
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 13: Some you know are questionable, but like, if you know,

742
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 13: we can eliminate some of those things. We're off the field,

743
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 13: you know, but uh, once the guy's settled down, it's

744
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 13: it's been you know, pretty good and then then there's

745
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 13: a hiccup. Right, But uh, you know, I think if

746
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 13: we can eliminate the mistakes, uh and play fast and

747
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 13: then tackle and open field, uh, I think we're gonna

748
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 13: you know, be better and improve each week.

749
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: Let's discuss some individuals.

750
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson had two sacks last week, he's got four

751
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: in the first five games.

752
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: It's your first year coaching him. What stands out, Yeah,

753
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: it's it's important to him.

754
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 13: You know, he he wants to learn about, you know,

755
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 13: the offensive line and what they're doing. You know, he's

756
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 13: he's invested in in playing the run. And you know,

757
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 13: he knows, like, you can't get to third down if

758
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 13: you can't stop the run. And so I think he's

759
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 13: really put an emphasis on those details. But like, you know,

760
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 13: it's important to him. You talk about a guy that

761
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 13: comes in, he takes care of his body, He watches film,

762
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 13: he studies his opponent, so he knows, you know, what

763
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 13: should work, how the guy's gonna set him, you know.

764
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 13: So it's it's it's neat to be around, you know,

765
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 13: a pro.

766
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: Joseph Osai and Miles Murphy each had a sack last week.

767
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: What are you working on with them at this stage

768
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: of their development?

769
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 13: Consistency, whether it's in the run game. They both had opportunities. Uh,

770
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 13: you know, you know one of the sacks that Miles got,

771
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 13: you know, Joe created it because he was able to

772
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 13: penetrate the B gap and then Miles played off of them.

773
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 13: So it's not just a selfish individual. Hey I'm gonna

774
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 13: go win. I mean, he did a selfish deal by penetrate,

775
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 13: penetrating the B gap and allow Miles to get a sack, right, So,

776
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 13: so all those things are a part of it, but

777
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 13: just being consistent, whether it's the run game, open field,

778
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 13: tackling those type of things, Like I'm very demanding and

779
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 13: hold those guys to a really high standard, and I

780
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 13: think sometimes I could feel like the world's falling down

781
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 13: on them, when in reality it's like, hey, this happened,

782
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 13: let's clean it up, all right. Uh, you know, but

783
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 13: don't don't don't you know, let one mistake fall into

784
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 13: another one, because you can't move on, you know. And

785
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 13: so those are the things that we're trying to work

786
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 13: to get them past.

787
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: You are demanding and it's fun to watch, and I

788
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: get the sense from everybody that I've talked to that

789
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: they like being pushed. Is that what you're looking for

790
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 2: from the guys that you have on your D line?

791
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 13: I want I want guys that it's important to being

792
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 13: out there. It's important. Learning the process and learning what

793
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 13: your opponent does is important. If it's not important to

794
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 13: you for those things, then like you don't love the game.

795
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 13: Like the best guys I've been around, right, and we're

796
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 13: going to Green Bay. Kenny Clark was one of the

797
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 13: best to ever do it. But it wasn't that he

798
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 13: was like super Ubertalent. He loved football, And like, I

799
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 13: got a room full of guys that, like you know,

800
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 13: they love it. They're learning learning more bald than they've

801
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 13: ever learned. But like, I expect them to play at

802
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 13: a high level, and I my standard for them is

803
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 13: super high, but I expect more out of them. It

804
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 13: can't be how bad do I want it, because that

805
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 13: doesn't mean anything. I don't play the game. If you

806
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 13: guys don't put in the time and effort, it's not

807
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 13: gonna show up on the field. And I tell them,

808
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 13: what you put into it, you get out of it.

809
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 13: So if you take me as being hard and demanding

810
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 13: on you is a bad thing, all right, you're never

811
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 13: going to grow, all right, and you're never gonna get

812
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 13: to where you need to get a lot of guys

813
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 13: understand I'm trying to help them, not hurt them. It's

814
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 13: not belittle on them. It's trying to make them better.

815
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 13: It's trying to get them to see the game through

816
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 13: my lens are to see the game easier, and the

817
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 13: guys that are doing that are making huge strides.

818
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: BJ Hill is the leading tackler among the guys up front.

819
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: What have you enjoyed about coaching Bj?

820
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's smart, same thing. He's another guy

821
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: who's done it.

822
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 13: He's been productive right in the past, and we're teaching

823
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 13: him a little bit different ways how to do it.

824
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 13: But you know, he's adapting and he's doing it, and

825
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 13: he's playing good ball for us, and we need him

826
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 13: in there, and he's been stouting to run and we

827
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 13: need him to continue to do that.

828
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: You haven't had Shamar since week two. I thought he

829
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: got better every day at training camp from watching practice.

830
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: What did you think of his camp and the first

831
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: two games that he was able.

832
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 13: To play, Yeah, like a roller coaster, right, like a

833
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 13: guy that hadn't been here all off season or all

834
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 13: training camp, right, And then and then he showed flashes

835
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 13: of like why he went where he went, and so

836
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 13: it's it's a work in progress, but like when he

837
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 13: gets it, when it all clicks for him, the tools

838
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 13: are there, I see, like a great player in this

839
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 13: league for a long time, right, and so he's going

840
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 13: through a process right now through this injury, Like he's

841
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 13: learning how to try to be a pro with rehab

842
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 13: and all that. So, I mean everything he's doing right

843
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 13: now is new and it's all a process for.

844
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: So final thing for d line coach Jerry Montgomery, the

845
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: big news this week is obviously the acquisition of Joe Flacco.

846
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: You've squared off against him a handful of times in

847
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: the NFL, including Week one this year. What do you

848
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: think Joe Flacco brings to the table.

849
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: The guys played a lot of football.

850
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 13: I mean, I tell the story I told him when

851
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 13: I saw him last night, Like we were at Northern

852
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 13: iowhen he was at Delaware, he beat us to go

853
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 13: to the National Championship game. We were undefeated team. We

854
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 13: had like nine sack opportunities, but we fell down his

855
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 13: body like six of those, right, So we get those

856
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 13: nine sacks. It's done, but veteran experience. The guy's got.

857
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 13: He's massive, right, he could see it.

858
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: He can make it.

859
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 13: All the throws and you know, even the picks that

860
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 13: happened our game, I mean those were tips into flections

861
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 13: right like the balls were. And I think they've had

862
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 13: eleven drops there. I mean, he's gonna have some great weapons,

863
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 13: but he can make the throws.

864
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: Veteran leadership.

865
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Speaker 13: The guys won a Super Bowl like so he's done

866
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Speaker 13: it and it'd be nice to see what he can do.

867
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get our opportunity soon, Kerry. Appreciate your time

868
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Speaker 2: enjoying the trip back to Green Bank.

869
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Yep, thank you very much.

870
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: When Jerry was with the Packers, he helped turn Kenny

871
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: Clark into a three time Pro Bowl defensive tackle. They

872
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: won't see each other this weekend because Clark is now

873
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: a Dallas Cowboy.

874
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: Back.

875
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: In August, the Packers traded him and two first round

876
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: draft picks to Dallas for Micah Parsons. The Bengals have

877
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: faced Parsons twice before. In twenty twenty two, he had

878
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: two sacks and five quarterback hits as the Cowboys beat

879
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: the Bengals by three, but last year he had no

880
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: sacks and no tackles as Cincinnati beat Dallas by seven.

881
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: In that game, he was mostly matched up against the

882
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: Marius Mims.

883
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, I think Michael's the best d N

884
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 14: in the NFL other than Miles Garrett. If you hasn't me,

885
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 14: it's just the guys who want them played against. The

886
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 14: gonna be a challenge, it always, especially on the road,

887
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 14: it's gonna be a game. Worse about me again, honestly,

888
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 14: just just doing with coaches telling me in practice and

889
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 14: you know, how can you know, trying to neutralize him

890
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 14: as much as possible and knowing you know, he's gonna

891
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 14: make his fair share of plays, you know, I mean,

892
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 14: it's gonna happen with a guy like that. But really,

893
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 14: like I said, my mind said, is really to just

894
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 14: you know, go out there and play the game football,

895
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 14: and no I can play, continue to get better, and

896
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 14: you know, if I let one mistake, like not let

897
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 14: one mistake or one you know, one small minor, you know,

898
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 14: step in that game and turn into like the whole game. So,

899
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 14: like I said, going against a great player, not one

900
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 14: of the best players on defense and ever, I mean,

901
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 14: I think he's a good like I said, you know

902
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 14: he's a good player, but I know he's a good player.

903
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 14: But I said, I'm ready for the challenge. You know,

904
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 14: like I said, last year he was with another team.

905
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 14: Last year played in Dallas, and this year is gonna

906
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 14: be in on Green Bay. So it's gonna be fun.

907
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: The Packers are moving Parsons around quite a bit, so

908
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: Mems and Orlando Brown Junior, we'll both have to play well.

909
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: Wayne Larravie, the Voice of the Packers, joined Dave Lapham

910
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: and me on the Bengals Game Plan Show this week

911
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: and we started our know the Faust segment by asking

912
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: about Parsons.

913
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: It's given that defense a certain swagger that maybe it

914
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 3: didn't have before. It was a good defense last year.

915
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 3: There's no question, a top ten defense, but they feel

916
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons can maybe push them over the top. He

917
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: gives them, you know, he makes the four man rush

918
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: effective in terms of pass rush and that's something that

919
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: they struggled with here. Ago and Jeff Hafley, the defensive

920
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: coordinated at a tremendous job of generating pass rush pressure

921
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: and getting sacks, but he had to do it with

922
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: blitzing and that type of thing. They're more prone today

923
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: to be a four man pass rush, and that's what

924
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: they were hoping to be when all this whole thing

925
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 3: was put together. And so Micah Parsons, he makes the

926
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 3: people around him better. You know. Up until last week,

927
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: Rashan Gary was leading the league in sacks. And you

928
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: know that's the difference. Having Parsons on one side and

929
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: Gary on the other side makes Rashan Gary much more

930
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: effective because he's not facing as many double teams.

931
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 6: When when the trade was made for Sean Gary was

932
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 6: probably the most appreciative guy in the organization. It's like, man,

933
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 6: finally I got somebody else on the other side that's

934
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 6: going to take take some of the pressure off and

935
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 6: he'll be facing a lot of the double teams. When

936
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 6: I watched the Green Bay Packers defense on tape, I'll

937
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 6: tell you parts is pretty stout in the running game.

938
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 6: Now he plays the run, he doesn't, you know, he

939
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 6: doesn't just kind of show up or really not show

940
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 6: up for a couple of snaps and then hope, hope

941
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 6: for a third and long and see if I can

942
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 6: sack the quarterback and increase my sack numbers. Run a

943
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 6: big total on sacks for the season. This guy is

944
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 6: a complete football player. He plays both sides of it,

945
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 6: doesn't he.

946
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does. And you know that's something he kind

947
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: of got a bad rap by Gary Jones about his

948
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: run defense. But you know what we've seen, he's been

949
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: very solid in holding the edge and making plays in

950
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: the running game, So that's helped a lot. I mean,

951
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: the Packers giving up seventy seven yards rushing second in

952
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: the league. You know, they had a little bit more

953
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: of a rough day in Dallas. Dallas got a season

954
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: high one hundred and seventeen rushing yards against them. But

955
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: that game was a track meet, so you know, I

956
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: don't know how much you can put into the defensive

957
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: figures of that game.

958
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: The voice of the Packers, Wayne Larabee, is our guest.

959
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: Green Bay opened with very impressive wins over Detroit and Washington.

960
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: Attention was growing before We're talking about this team as

961
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: a real Super Bowl favorite. Then they laid an egg

962
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: in Cleveland. What happened in that Cleveland game.

963
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: You know, Dan, I mean, they had control of that game,

964
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: they really did. I mean they were struggling offensively. Cleveland's

965
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: defensive line dominated the Packers offensive line. The Packers have

966
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: had some injuries in their offensive line. Zach tom probably

967
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: their best offensive line, been played one play in that

968
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: game and it went out with an injury that he

969
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: came into the game with. Meanwhile, you know the left guard,

970
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: you know Banks, whom they acquired from San Francisco, kind

971
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 3: of a road grader or the running game. Aaron Banks.

972
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: He's missed seven He's missed seven games last year and

973
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: he's missed two now this year. So having components of

974
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: the offensive line down and having to shuffle that line

975
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: against the Cleveland front that you guys saw opening I

976
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 3: believe it was opening day. It's pretty good, pretty good unit,

977
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: and you want to be at your best when you're

978
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: going up against that group. So they struggled offensively, defensively,

979
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: they're in command of that ball game. And then the

980
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: special team's issue occurred and they had a field goal

981
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: block and boom, all of a sudden, you know, Cincinnati

982
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: was or i should say Cleveland was back in the

983
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 3: game and snuck away with a win.

984
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 6: Let's talk a little bit about Joe Flacco. What did

985
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 6: you think of Joe Flacco in that football game? How

986
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 6: did he perform against the Green Bay Packers?

987
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: To your eye, well, you know and studying him they

988
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: going into the game. He can still fling it and

989
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 3: he can still get a downfield. Two things happened in Cleveland.

990
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: Number One, they were just starting to find their running

991
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 3: back and that kid that they drafted in the second

992
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: round is going to be a really good runner, but

993
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: they really don't have a solid round game. They couldn't

994
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: protect the quarterback. They just can't protect Blackout and that's

995
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: the problem that he had. So so much of what

996
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: he was doing leading into that game was checked down

997
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: stuff and really short stuff. And then he hit a

998
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: couple of passes against the Packers, but nothing out of

999
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: the ordinary. He struggled. I mean, he did not have

1000
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: a great game against the Packers at all. And you know,

1001
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: going to Cincinnati now, and if they get him up

1002
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: to speed and ready to play this week, he's got

1003
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: better people around him to throw the football to. I mean,

1004
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: those two guys are number one receivers, both of them,

1005
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: and you know, Flaco didn't have anything close to that

1006
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: caliber in Cleveland. So if the Bengals can protect this guy,

1007
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: he can still get the ball down field accurately.

1008
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: Dayne Larrabee is our guest. Do you expect the Packers

1009
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: O line to be at full strength this week? And

1010
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: what about wide receiver Christian Watson. They just opened up

1011
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: his twenty one day window to come back from his

1012
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: knee injury. Any chance the Bengals have to worry about

1013
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: him this week?

1014
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: Boy? You know, I got to tell you, Dan, from

1015
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: what I saw a training camp, from what I've seen

1016
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: at practice, and they've ramped him up a little bit

1017
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: this week now that he's actually in practice, I wouldn't

1018
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: count him out. But I wouldn't. My gut tells me though,

1019
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: wait a week, you know, let him go through this

1020
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: week and then maybe his comeback has been stunning. I

1021
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 3: mean at training camp it looked like he could practice

1022
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: and play, and you know, they held him out obviously,

1023
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: and they had him on the reserve list. And now

1024
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: this week the's back at practice and frankly, it looks

1025
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: pretty good. To be honest with you, guys, I just

1026
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 3: wonder if I know the Packers are very cautious with

1027
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: their people from a medical standpoint, I still think it's

1028
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: a long shot he plays this week, but I wouldn't

1029
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: count it out.

1030
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Speaker 2: Our thanks to Wayne Laravie, and here's a quick invitation

1031
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: to join lapp in me for the Bengals pep Rally

1032
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1033
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1034
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,680
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