Speaker 1: I'm Tamika d. Mallory and this.
Speaker 2: Shit boy my son in general.
Speaker 1: We are your host of TMI.
Speaker 3: Tamika and my Son's information, truth, motivation and.
Speaker 1: Inspiration, new energy. But what's going on? My son, Lennon?
Speaker 3: I am blessed, black and Holly favored. How you feel
Speaker 3: into it?
Speaker 1: You're doing good. I'm doing good.
Speaker 4: It's been a few days. The book is now released.
Speaker 4: It's just twenty four hours since release time.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Don't we need a thing ring ring around here for
Speaker 4: our celebratory moments. So I'm excited, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: already I've already been on the road.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I am super grateful to all of my friends who
Speaker 4: have opened up doors to their churches, their everything, their
Speaker 4: community centers, anything you can think of. People have and
Speaker 4: are continuing to work to make sure that I have
Speaker 4: the most successful launch of my book as possible.
Speaker 1: I live to tell the story.
Speaker 4: I live to tell the story, and I am I'm
Speaker 4: really really grateful. What makes me emotional because you know,
Speaker 4: you reach out to people. Some people you reach out to,
Speaker 4: they tell you they're gonna call you back, or they're gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, put you on and.
Speaker 1: I haven't had much of that.
Speaker 4: In fact, it's always surprising to me, Like every single
Speaker 4: time in my life, I am surprised by those who
Speaker 4: do right.
Speaker 1: And doing right does not mean doing it.
Speaker 4: So it's like a confusing thing that some people think
Speaker 4: when you say, oh, you know, you did right by me,
Speaker 4: that that means that you just did whatever I wanted
Speaker 4: you to do.
Speaker 1: No, it's just communication.
Speaker 4: If I'm supposed to be your friend or somebody that
Speaker 4: you know, you have any kind of cordial relationship with,
Speaker 4: and I'm asking you to do something, don't commit and
Speaker 4: then not commit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, that's just so whack to me. I try not
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that I'm not guilty at times of
Speaker 4: making mistakes and you're supposed to call somebody back or whatever.
Speaker 4: But you know, certain people, they see you, they know
Speaker 4: you're constantly texting them reminder. At the reminder, you're asking
Speaker 4: them like, hey, you know.
Speaker 1: Can we follow up? Can we do this thing?
Speaker 4: If you don't want to do it, just say no,
Speaker 4: just say you know what, it's not the right time
Speaker 4: for me. I'll never forget another friend of ours. I
Speaker 4: have been reaching out to her a friend of ours.
Speaker 4: I've been reaching out to her to have me on
Speaker 4: her national TV show about something that we were doing
Speaker 4: and it was work related, it wasn't for me personally,
Speaker 4: and she just.
Speaker 1: Hit me back and was like she called me on
Speaker 1: the phone.
Speaker 4: She's like, Hey, Sis, I just want to make sure
Speaker 4: we have a verbal conversation because I don't want to
Speaker 4: decline over text or email and it, you know, not
Speaker 4: have the full context for what it is. She's like,
Speaker 4: but right now we're covering X y Z thing on
Speaker 4: the show, and if I put you on, what you're
Speaker 4: doing kind of like gives an excuse to the motherfuckers
Speaker 4: that's doing this other thing. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: what you're doing, You're trying to come up with this solution,
Speaker 4: which I respect, but it contradicts the fact that we're
Speaker 4: laying out right now every week, the different things that's
Speaker 4: happening from these people, right And she's like, so it
Speaker 4: just doesn't it doesn't work like it's pivoting in a
Speaker 4: moment when we're hard on a point that's being made.
Speaker 2: Well, why is the industry like that?
Speaker 3: And it's it's a thing that I've always had an
Speaker 3: issue with, right because it's accepted in the industry and
Speaker 3: a lot of people like us who just are authentic
Speaker 3: that like, I'm gonna get on the phone and say
Speaker 3: I can't do something, well, I'm gonna say I can
Speaker 3: do it right.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why it's.
Speaker 3: So hard for people to have that level of just
Speaker 3: communication respects. See it's somebody that I've and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do it to a person that I really don't even know, right,
Speaker 3: I've done shit for people that random people have come
Speaker 3: up to me say hey, I want you to do something.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, and I think about okay, cool, and
Speaker 3: once I say cool, we gonna figure it out. Or
Speaker 3: or some people have come to me and said I
Speaker 3: need you to do something, but I can't really do that,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And some people don't like
Speaker 3: that you said, but it's honest. I'm just being honest.
Speaker 3: I'm not in a position to do it. I don't
Speaker 3: have the time to do it, so I don't want
Speaker 3: to commit myself to something I can And I don't
Speaker 3: know why it's so hard within this industry, just all
Speaker 3: of this industry that people don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I.
Speaker 4: Think, you know, sometimes you think people respect you, and
Speaker 4: then sometimes you find out that they really don't.
Speaker 1: And that's just what it is.
Speaker 4: And I think in this particular situation where I was
Speaker 4: saying about the friend who told me this is a
Speaker 4: veteran you know, in the media world, somebody who's like,
Speaker 4: you know, understands that relationships are everything. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and so it's just different. Also, this particular
Speaker 4: individual who let me know, like I can't have you on,
Speaker 4: they also have a commitment to our culture. They have
Speaker 4: a commitment to the movement and all of that. So
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, out of respect for you,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you know that it just doesn't fit
Speaker 4: in what I'm doing. But I can help you here.
Speaker 4: I could do this, I want to do that. Let's
Speaker 4: see what else we could do.
Speaker 1: Boom. I'm okay with you just saying it just don't work.
Speaker 4: Have a nice day, But to say, okay, send me
Speaker 4: the information. Oh yeah, definitely, anything I could do. Oh
Speaker 4: for sure, Yes, definitely. Oh I want to support you
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 4: And then every time you send them this stuff, every
Speaker 4: time you try to get a date a time locked in,
Speaker 4: they don't even say to you, well, those dates and
Speaker 4: times that you give and don't work, just give me
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. I'm gonna get back to you
Speaker 4: about what I actually can do, so you don't have
Speaker 4: to just keep texting the air.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's just wag. So I
Speaker 1: just don't you know, it's okay.
Speaker 4: Because I know now as I'm getting older, you learn
Speaker 4: things about people and then you just place them in
Speaker 4: certain buckets, you put them in certain categories. And so
Speaker 4: I guess that's one aspect of this, but I have
Speaker 4: but the one the people who are showing up, are
Speaker 4: they outweigh anybody, outweigh anybody who hasn't for me? And
Speaker 4: so I'm just you know, I don't even know. It's
Speaker 4: like I want to be right, like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: and this happened. I got people doing major book buys
Speaker 4: in different cities, Folks purchasing one hundred books, two hundred books,
Speaker 4: three hundred books.
Speaker 1: People just you.
Speaker 4: Know, doing their thing, and I want to be all
Speaker 4: like whoo about it, But instead I have a you
Speaker 4: know how we get when we work. It's very serious
Speaker 4: for me, like I'm like, I need to keep my
Speaker 4: eyes on all of this stuff. So that's what I'm doing,
Speaker 4: is not getting too excited about anything, just being grateful
Speaker 4: to God, staying stable, and remembering that writing the book,
Speaker 4: doing the initial marketing, and starting a tour is only
Speaker 4: the beginning. The reason why people don't have the type
Speaker 4: of success that they want to see is because they
Speaker 4: quickly as soon as they get it out the gate,
Speaker 4: then it's over when the real work actually starts. When
Speaker 4: you're like on the track. It's not the getting up okay, cool,
Speaker 4: you get up in the morning. That's big because nobody
Speaker 4: wants to.
Speaker 1: Get up in the morning to go work out.
Speaker 4: Most people. Some people do, but most people don't want
Speaker 4: to get up in the morning. So that's a big part.
Speaker 4: It's just waking up and getting yourself there. Then you
Speaker 4: got to put your cute outfit on or whatever you're
Speaker 4: gonna wear. That's another part of it. You get your stretching.
Speaker 4: You did all of that, and then you start running.
Speaker 4: Once you start running, you gotta run. And that's where
Speaker 4: I'm at now. Now I'm in the running stage, So
Speaker 4: I'm excited. I live to tell a story is out
Speaker 4: right now. Please if you do not have I know
Speaker 4: some folks did not want to pre order because you
Speaker 4: want the book to be in your hand as soon
Speaker 4: as you order it. Now is the time the book
Speaker 4: is released. It was released yesterday, twenty four hours ago.
Speaker 4: And I'm asking that you please go and order my
Speaker 4: second book. You know, order the first one too, State
Speaker 4: of Emergency.
Speaker 2: Both of you.
Speaker 4: Can pick up my book right now. So right now,
Speaker 4: that's the deal.
Speaker 2: Yes man, that's dope.
Speaker 4: So I have a super short thought of the day
Speaker 4: today because we have to get our guests on and
Speaker 4: actually he doesn't have a lot of time, so we
Speaker 4: need to be quick. But I saw a couple of
Speaker 4: days ago it might be yeah, like last week that
Speaker 4: during Black History Month, the White House has announced that
Speaker 4: they are going to be celebrating American history, and they
Speaker 4: don't want to do, you know, any particular cultural things,
Speaker 4: so no Black history. They want to focus on American history. Now,
Speaker 4: you and I know that a large part of their
Speaker 4: plan is to restore the white male as being the
Speaker 4: dominant force in our society.
Speaker 1: We know it.
Speaker 4: It's in Project twenty twenty five, which they are clearly
Speaker 4: laying out.
Speaker 1: They doing their thing. We know what's going on.
Speaker 4: But I thought about it and I said, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm actually not going to be offended by this because
Speaker 4: they're right.
Speaker 1: They are right.
Speaker 4: Our history here on this soil is American history. It
Speaker 4: is not Black history. It is American history.
Speaker 2: But the problem is they're not going to give our party.
Speaker 4: I know that, but I'm just saying they actually don't
Speaker 4: even realize that they might be going in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Why would they have.
Speaker 3: To celebrate American history during Black history? Like I don't understand,
Speaker 3: Like why would you replace black history with American history?
Speaker 4: Is because we know why. But I'm saying that sometimes
Speaker 4: what you mean for bad can actually turn out to
Speaker 4: be good. Still gonna teach in their homes in the
Speaker 4: they still gonna.
Speaker 2: I call it Black American.
Speaker 4: Look, they still gonna teach about enslavement. They're gonna teach
Speaker 4: about Tolsa, Oklahoma. They gonna teach about Rosewood. They're gonna
Speaker 4: teach about Martin Luther King. They're gonna teach about Malcolm X.
Speaker 4: They gonna teach about Rosa Parks. What what's some of
Speaker 4: the other things they.
Speaker 2: Teach about Black panthers.
Speaker 4: They don't teach about black pet Frederick Douglas Obama, Obama family.
Speaker 4: They don't teach about saying what do they currently teach
Speaker 4: white people in general?
Speaker 5: Loud?
Speaker 2: They teach you about like Martin Luther King.
Speaker 3: So they teach you about I went because I went
Speaker 3: to a high school, I mean junior high school.
Speaker 2: Charles all Drew, you know, and he started blood transfusions.
Speaker 3: He was one of those, and he he did a
Speaker 3: lot of things to plasma out of blood, utilized it, frozen,
Speaker 3: sent it to the army.
Speaker 2: He saved many lives with it. So he did a
Speaker 2: lot of things.
Speaker 4: So they teach you about invention. But they don't want
Speaker 4: to teach you about them shackles. They don't want to
Speaker 4: teach you about segregation. They don't want to teach you
Speaker 4: about Jim Crow. That's what they're trying to do is
Speaker 4: to leave out the part that they claim is designed
Speaker 4: to make white people, white kids feel guilty. No, feel guilty,
Speaker 4: that's what they say. But we understand what the white
Speaker 4: Washington history is. They've always wanted to do that, and
Speaker 4: so you know, my thought of the day is, I
Speaker 4: think they're right. They should teach black history in the
Speaker 4: context of American history because almost everything that know, everything
Speaker 4: that they've done to us is American history. And to
Speaker 4: be clear, even our accomplishments, despite what they've done, that's
Speaker 4: American history.
Speaker 1: We built this.
Speaker 2: Country, as as our.
Speaker 4: Sister Angela Ras says, we built this country for free.
Speaker 1: So it's a history, it's for free.
Speaker 4: So now we need to jump to our guests so
Speaker 4: that we can make sure we don't lose him. And
Speaker 4: we want to talk about the target, protests, the target,
Speaker 4: the response to target. You know, so many people have
Speaker 4: so many things to say, and I think that what's
Speaker 4: necessary for us is to continue to inform, to continue
Speaker 4: to learn, to continue to draw on history because we've
Speaker 4: been here before. And I think that our guest that
Speaker 4: is coming up, the Reverend doctor Jamal Bryant, He's got
Speaker 4: a lot to say, so let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Jamal Harrison, Brian Harrison.
Speaker 4: So our brother friends, you know, joining us our friends.
Speaker 4: That's what we do on this show. That's what they say,
Speaker 4: y'all all about your friends. Y'all don't have me on
Speaker 4: the show. You have is your friends on the show.
Speaker 4: But we got friends that do a lot of important things.
Speaker 4: And our brother we are in the trenches all the time.
Speaker 4: We don't he does not need a long introduction. If
Speaker 4: you don't know who passed, Jamal Bryant is at this
Speaker 4: point in your life, God help you. I was in
Speaker 4: church a few weeks ago, months ago, a couple months ago,
Speaker 4: and I was so embarrassed by my behavior. When I
Speaker 4: left that church, I couldn't believe I cried and yelled
Speaker 4: and cut up the way that I did at New
Speaker 4: Birth Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia, in Lathonia, Okay.
Speaker 1: In the in the community with the people.
Speaker 4: And let me just say real quick, we are extremely
Speaker 4: proud of you and what you've been able to do.
Speaker 1: Jamal. You know you have.
Speaker 4: We've been there with you through so many different phases
Speaker 4: of your life.
Speaker 1: You know I have. It's been many, It's been many.
Speaker 4: But but what I do, I don't even mean all
Speaker 4: of the stuff, because you know, I get the fighting
Speaker 4: and cussing people out because I can talk different from you.
Speaker 1: You I ain't. I'm not a clergy woman, so.
Speaker 4: I say shits and ass and mfs and everything when
Speaker 4: they mess with you. But what I mean is that
Speaker 4: your ministry has expanded extraordinarily in terms of how you
Speaker 4: know when you you you've always used whatever resources you
Speaker 4: had to do as much as you can do. But
Speaker 4: now we're seeing you literally use new birth, you using
Speaker 4: do they know you using them at that church to
Speaker 4: do go this this incredible work, community work in a
Speaker 4: way that I just think it's just so marvelous. And
Speaker 4: so I just want to say, because we never really
Speaker 4: give one another our flowers as we should, I'm really
Speaker 4: really proud of what you're doing there in Georgia, and.
Speaker 6: Thank you for being my second sister entertainment. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: it's taking through.
Speaker 5: Both of you all, but we were gonna have I
Speaker 5: know you got a book coming out, but we're gonna
Speaker 5: have to write a book probably after about ten people.
Speaker 4: We have the way until people well, you know what
Speaker 4: in my book, I say that I talked in a
Speaker 4: few places, I say I would tell you who did
Speaker 4: this thing to me, or I would tell you who
Speaker 4: said this, but I can't because they're still alive.
Speaker 1: So when it soon soon come listen.
Speaker 6: We can't cancel Black History Month twice.
Speaker 1: Right, yes we will.
Speaker 4: Everybody don't need to know everything that had happened, right,
Speaker 4: So anyway, thank you for joining us today. We wanted
Speaker 4: to jump on and really talk about our most recent efforts,
Speaker 4: which you know I have been saying over and over
Speaker 4: to the many people who I think have some either
Speaker 4: disconnect from history, either they don't know, they don't want
Speaker 4: to know, or they are purposely distorting history. When we
Speaker 4: talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion and how it all
Speaker 4: came about, we know that. And you know this from
Speaker 4: working in the NAACP and working with alongside so many organizations.
Speaker 4: And of course we all, whether we directly associate or
Speaker 4: understand or come straight out of the Rainbow Push Coalition,
Speaker 4: we all know the work that Reverend Jackson and people
Speaker 4: like him were doing when we were kids to ensure
Speaker 4: that there was access for black folks within these corporate spaces.
Speaker 4: And it was not It wasn't work that just happened overnight.
Speaker 4: White people didn't just wake up one day and say, oh,
Speaker 4: we like black people and we just gonna open up
Speaker 4: our boards and open up the shelves and give more
Speaker 4: jobs and spend more money and donate more resources. That
Speaker 4: didn't happen overnight. It was a struggle. It was a fight,
Speaker 4: and we know from doctor King and others, but we
Speaker 4: in our time. I would say that Reverend Jackson is
Speaker 4: one of the individuals that I watched literally kicked down
Speaker 4: doors of major corporations to provide opportunities for people. And
Speaker 4: it was little ladies like my mother and maybe you
Speaker 4: know aunts grandmothers who were out there protesting day and night,
Speaker 4: that didn't have resources, They didn't have millions of dollars,
Speaker 4: they didn't.
Speaker 1: Have social media.
Speaker 4: But if they knew that a particular corporation was disrespecting
Speaker 4: someone or some part of our community, them people held
Speaker 4: the line day and night, They boycotted, they did whatever
Speaker 4: they had to do. And it wasn't about one business.
Speaker 4: It was about access. It was about ensuring that you
Speaker 4: do not have You don't letting people know you don't
Speaker 4: have the right to set up a business in our community,
Speaker 4: and then we can't get jobs there. We can't be
Speaker 4: on the board, we can't have any influence on what
Speaker 4: happens within these corporations, within these businesses. And so when
Speaker 4: I hear people saying to hell with DEI doesn't need
Speaker 4: to be reimagined. Absolutely, should it be, you know, the
Speaker 4: twenty first century version of it. Certainly all of that,
Speaker 4: you know, have other people benefited, certainly, but we should
Speaker 4: never desecrate and dismiss the work that was done in
Speaker 4: order to get us to where we were just a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. So I just wanted to put
Speaker 4: that on the table, and I know you can speak
Speaker 4: to that. And so here we are in this moment
Speaker 4: where companies are beginning to, in our judgment, power to
Speaker 4: Donald Trump and the Maga trump Ism, this new culture
Speaker 4: that they are are trying to shape in America. And
Speaker 4: we see companies companies that our people have found as
Speaker 4: a home. So Target, for one, is a place that
Speaker 4: black women go to and stay for four hours.
Speaker 3: We do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so you know when we see Target as
Speaker 4: one of those companies that it's said that they are
Speaker 4: rolling back their DEI stuff and they're going to be
Speaker 4: moved being away from some of what we know them
Speaker 4: to be and how we became sort of partners with
Speaker 4: Target in the first place. There are people who are
Speaker 4: very upset about it, people who have decided that they
Speaker 4: will never I see people saying they wouldn't care what
Speaker 4: we tell them, They ain't walking back in Target for
Speaker 4: the rest of their well, for whatever amount of time.
Speaker 4: And so I wonder, you know, for you, what does
Speaker 4: this moment mean? Why are you so passionate about it?
Speaker 4: There's so many fights going on, but this one is
Speaker 4: important to us, and I'm sure that it has a
Speaker 4: lot to do with sort of the history of how
Speaker 4: we got our beginnings in the civil rights movement.
Speaker 5: The heartbeat, to make a mice of what we have
Speaker 5: done has really centered around aggressive policing and not so
Speaker 5: much about the next phase of civil rights, which is
Speaker 5: civil silver rights. Is that this is a critical moment
Speaker 5: I believe for the revival of the movement and.
Speaker 6: A resurgence of the relevance of the Black church.
Speaker 5: A lot of gen zs and alphas can't tell you
Speaker 5: the names of the heads of historic civil rights organizations
Speaker 5: or of pastors, and so this is really bringing to
Speaker 5: bayar those of us who have gotten comfortable and rested
Speaker 5: on our laurels until it became iamic uh. And so
Speaker 5: I think that we really are going to have to
Speaker 5: be vigilant, but we're gonna have to be patient. We've
Speaker 5: got along four years and so much has been thrown
Speaker 5: out in the first two weeks. They're talking about before
Speaker 5: this week ends dismantling the Department of Education and putting
Speaker 5: them back to the States. The Secretary of State Rubio
Speaker 5: is talking about how it is that other countries will
Speaker 5: house our undocumented citizens, residents, and even some Americans. There's
Speaker 5: so many fights that are getting ready to come that
Speaker 5: the President has mastered the art of confusion, throwing so
Speaker 5: many things at one time that we're.
Speaker 6: Going to really have to be focused on what we
Speaker 6: focus on definitely.
Speaker 3: You know, in this moment, I've been saying for the
Speaker 3: last two weeks that this is just different to me,
Speaker 3: Like we've been around and we've been fighting in this movement.
Speaker 3: You guys have been doing it way longer than me.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's just me, but I feel like the
Speaker 3: way that this this attack and the way that these
Speaker 3: attacks like you know, the art of confusion, and it's
Speaker 3: so many different ones that one time you can't put
Speaker 3: the fire out. It's like different holes in the boat
Speaker 3: and you're trying to put one little cover one up.
Speaker 3: It just feels different to me. So I want to
Speaker 3: ask you that I want you to give me your
Speaker 3: opinion on how it feels.
Speaker 2: Does it feel the same.
Speaker 5: It's just like it fels like I'm watching black and
Speaker 5: white footage. Fel like I am some way in a
Speaker 5: time capsule, stuck on a bus stop between Salm and Montgomery,
Speaker 5: I feel like, really, we're doing the electric slide backwards,
Speaker 5: that all of the progress that was made before we
Speaker 5: got here we are now having to defend. They're gutting
Speaker 5: out the Civil Rights Act, they're trying to ban books,
Speaker 5: trying to stop the teaching of our history, stuff that
Speaker 5: we thought was long past behind us. To have to
Speaker 5: roll up our sleeves this is a terrible rerun. Well,
Speaker 5: we already know the story because we watched this movie before,
Speaker 5: and so having to fight it again is unnerving. But
Speaker 5: it is also focusing because we know what has to have.
Speaker 5: We've got to unify, we have to be unintimidated, we've
Speaker 5: got to walk with carriage. We've got to know that
Speaker 5: we're on the side of right even when the majority
Speaker 5: is wrong. And so that's where I feel like we are.
Speaker 4: And you know, and what I hear you saying is
Speaker 4: exactly what I believe and what I have attempted to
Speaker 4: articulate to folks who are like, well, why are we
Speaker 4: boycotting you know this particular company, or you guys are
Speaker 4: doing a fast why are we and you can talk
Speaker 4: a little bit about that, please, you know, why not
Speaker 4: all the companies? Why not do this? Why not go
Speaker 4: pick it outside the White House? Why not do this
Speaker 4: thing for me? With us not being able to And
Speaker 4: when I say us, I'm talking about the country not
Speaker 4: being able to vote for in the midterm elections for
Speaker 4: the next two years. Then you won't be able to
Speaker 4: do anything about Donald Trump for four years. Right now,
Speaker 4: it seems that our economic power, as you said, silver rights,
Speaker 4: is going to be the most important tool we can
Speaker 4: use to show our protests to what we see going
Speaker 4: on around us. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do
Speaker 4: other things. I'm not saying we shouldn't be on the streets.
Speaker 4: I see people in California and other places rising up,
Speaker 4: and I'm glad to see that. But I think that
Speaker 4: when and we have, you know, our spending power, what
Speaker 4: is it more than one point four trillion dollars a year,
Speaker 4: I think we can speak pretty loudly with how we
Speaker 4: spend our money or not where we spend our money
Speaker 4: or where we don't. And also our physical presence. You know,
Speaker 4: some people say, well, go into the store and buy
Speaker 4: certain things off the shelves, and I understand, you know,
Speaker 4: not wanting to see black businesses suffer. We have some
Speaker 4: solutions to that, but I don't even know that.
Speaker 1: I know. For me, I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I would not even walk inside of a place where
Speaker 4: I know that at one point you told me that
Speaker 4: George Floyd could have been your worker, and that your
Speaker 4: heart was hurt, and you as a CEO wanted to
Speaker 4: be a partner with the community. And now all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, we shift all the way to the point
Speaker 4: where you don't even want to report on the report
Speaker 4: card from the Human Rights Commission to tell us that
Speaker 4: you still have are sticking to your original no values.
Speaker 1: There's something wrong with that.
Speaker 4: So do you see this as a larger part of
Speaker 4: the movement or do you feel like it's just one
Speaker 4: thing that we just need to get rid of one
Speaker 4: company and move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't think that it is an incident as much
Speaker 5: as we are seeing a culture not evolving but regressing,
Speaker 5: and so you're getting ready to see it because, to
Speaker 5: be clear, as you have spoken to so clearly, it
Speaker 5: is not just Target, It's also Walmart, It's also Ford
Speaker 5: Motor Company, is also McDonald's. It is also so many
Speaker 5: other organizations who we feel portrayed by because we've given
Speaker 5: our loyalty through our dollars, and so we're having to
Speaker 5: reevaluate relationships and see the ones that are one sided
Speaker 5: and those that are toxic. And so this is really
Speaker 5: puberty for our people because our voice is getting ready.
Speaker 6: To change, and our skin is clear enup.
Speaker 5: We can see the tree from the forest, and so
Speaker 5: I think that there's gonna be a real demarcation for
Speaker 5: those who are with us and those who are not.
Speaker 3: So I just want you to speak to because we
Speaker 3: have these conversations every day with our community. Two things
Speaker 3: d I don't help us, So what are we fighting
Speaker 3: for it for?
Speaker 2: Right? And then it's what do we boycott?
Speaker 3: Why we got a boycott, why we don't do this,
Speaker 3: and why we boycotts don't work? You know, I want
Speaker 3: you to speak to those two things because these are
Speaker 3: conversations that we have and I want you to speak
Speaker 3: to them and break them down.
Speaker 2: And if the terms the only way.
Speaker 1: You can give me some clip, I need a clip,
Speaker 1: I need a good.
Speaker 5: So to be clear, I want to go backwards our diversity,
Speaker 5: equity and inclusion. The number one recipient is not black people,
Speaker 5: it is white women. The group that has benefited the
Speaker 5: most has been Latino community. I got to add as
Speaker 5: an asterisk that if it is built off of meritocracy,
Speaker 5: as the presidency just it should be as Elon Musk
Speaker 5: infers that it should be, then the main recipient should
Speaker 5: be black women. Black women hold sixty percent of all
Speaker 5: master's degrees in this country. So we understand clearly and
Speaker 5: fluently that we have not been the full beneficiaries. It
Speaker 5: is part of our responsibility, and our singular focus of
Speaker 5: target is not saying ignore the other ones, but we
Speaker 5: wanted to make sure that this institution, because they're publicly traded,
Speaker 5: we can track the impact, we can see where our
Speaker 5: growth is, and we can count our dollars because they
Speaker 5: are a publicly traded company. And so it does not
Speaker 5: say that we're not going to get around the mcdillards.
Speaker 5: That I ain't saying we're not coming around the Walmart,
Speaker 5: because we shall if they do not come to their
Speaker 5: consciousness the thing that is so critical for us that
Speaker 5: we can never forget. And I am a son of
Speaker 5: the movement, I'm a disciple of the movement. I got
Speaker 5: to say it to you, and it's read that you're
Speaker 5: here just saying the one doctor King's speeches that broke
Speaker 5: Montgomery the one Ralph Abernathy's speeches that broke Montgomery. It
Speaker 5: was the economic impact. And once they broke the economic
Speaker 5: impact of that city, that's when they came to the tape.
Speaker 5: I don't believe under this administration we can bring the
Speaker 5: best orders in the world. But we saw to Mik
Speaker 5: and Mice at the inauguration. The front roar of the
Speaker 5: inauguration was not the cabinet, It was not international diplomats,
Speaker 5: it was business people. Because the President was saying, what
Speaker 5: I respect is money. And if we've got the twelfth
Speaker 5: largest consumer base in the world, if we don't use
Speaker 5: it collectively, then we're going to miss it. I'm telling
Speaker 5: you that the twelve million dollars is what Roland Martin
Speaker 5: suggests that is spent on the data that he has found.
Speaker 6: To Mika and I haven't seen.
Speaker 5: It yet, but that's what Roland Martin has reported on
Speaker 5: his show, that we're spending twelve million dollars a day.
Speaker 5: Let's say that that's right. Let's says all. Let's say
Speaker 5: it's wrong. But you all, I got a g D.
Speaker 5: Y'all do twelve million by fifty by three hundred and
Speaker 5: sixty five, that's a whole lot of money.
Speaker 1: That's a whole lot of money.
Speaker 6: That's a whole lot of money.
Speaker 4: That's a whole lot of money for three months, for
Speaker 4: five months. And by the way, even if it was
Speaker 4: only one million dollars, you don't deserve it if you
Speaker 4: don't want to respect me and maintain the values that
Speaker 4: you told me you had, so regardless of it, and yes, absolutely,
Speaker 4: our impact is important that we need to be able
Speaker 4: to measure it, but we also ought to be taking
Speaker 4: on a posture of respect me, respect me, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so that's why I wouldn't go back to Target,
Speaker 4: just because I know the game that's being played, and
Speaker 4: I think to your point, one at a time, right,
Speaker 4: we don't need to give you. Know. Yes, people are
Speaker 4: saying I won't order anything from Amazon. I ain't going
Speaker 4: back to McDonald's. I don't go to Starbucks. I got
Speaker 4: a list. I'm off Starbucks, Nike, Gucci, we're still trying
Speaker 4: to get you with us.
Speaker 6: On Gucci support da da.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well that's fine, that's fine. That's why we kind
Speaker 4: of all right, all right, all right, it's cool. So
Speaker 4: we I don't do we Gucci. I don't wear blinds
Speaker 4: Yaga like I drop brands all the time, so it's
Speaker 4: not really hard for me. And I do also support
Speaker 4: black brands. You wear a lot of stuff. Why don't
Speaker 4: you talk about some of the black brands that you
Speaker 4: support that help you with your wardrobe and your jewelry.
Speaker 5: Listen, all of the jewelry is from Ghanna. This is
Speaker 5: from the Year of the Return.
Speaker 6: Go back to Ghana. But I always support mini vendors.
Speaker 5: Whether it's a glass Bow, whether it's Starstruck that makes sweatsuits,
Speaker 5: I gotta get one from ice, all of them in
Speaker 5: every different way. And that's why I partnered in this
Speaker 5: past with the US Black Chamber of Commerce. It is
Speaker 5: a digital directory of thirty thousand black vendors. Whether it's cologne,
Speaker 5: whether it's black soak, whether it's incense, whether it's paper towel,
Speaker 5: thirty thousand. Those of you looking for black vendors in
Speaker 5: any area, you got to go to buy black dot com.
Speaker 5: Go to buy black dot com. That's where I go.
Speaker 5: That's where I get my children stuff from. That's where
Speaker 5: I get that backpacks. You got to do it, and
Speaker 5: so as much as I can, I try to support
Speaker 5: black vendors in every area of my life.
Speaker 1: Last thing before you go.
Speaker 4: I just wanted you to talk about some of the
Speaker 4: goals of our fat you're doing a fast, which I
Speaker 4: think you should also talk about that, because you're being
Speaker 4: very specific when you talk about the reemergence of the
Speaker 4: Black church as being at the forefront of the movement,
Speaker 4: and so therefore is a certain type of language that
Speaker 4: you're using and a way that you're getting people organized
Speaker 4: to talk about and then also talk about the goals
Speaker 4: of what it is that we're attempting to accomplish.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 5: First of all, this is the largest demographic mice in
Speaker 5: the history of black people in America. This is the
Speaker 5: largest demographic of Black people.
Speaker 6: Who don't go to church, the largest.
Speaker 5: Demographic of our history of being in this country who
Speaker 5: don't subscribe to organized religion. And it is the largest
Speaker 5: demographic who identified themselves as atheists. They have lost respecting
Speaker 5: honor for the church and for pastors, and so I
Speaker 5: want to go a different path on.
Speaker 6: A spiritual journey.
Speaker 5: So it is not just basting from target, but forty
Speaker 5: days of prayer for Christians to go back in a
Speaker 5: prayer posture, to pray about what's taking place in the
Speaker 5: nation and how it is that we spiritually confront it.
Speaker 5: So that's why I chose that Linton season is from
Speaker 5: ash Wednesday to Good Friday leading up to Easter Sunday.
Speaker 5: Is I wanted this to be a spiritual journey for people.
Speaker 5: What we are asking for is because the Saying's true
Speaker 5: power concedes nothing without a demand.
Speaker 6: My son to Miking, myself were.
Speaker 5: In Minneapolis when George Floyd. After George Floyd was killed,
Speaker 5: and Target made a commitment, a two billion dollar commitment
Speaker 5: to undergird black businesses drum roll and to do it
Speaker 5: by December twenty twenty five. So for you to break
Speaker 5: that commitment in January before the deadline of that fruit,
Speaker 5: I'm asking you to honor the commitment you made to
Speaker 5: George Floyd's family and to the African American community. We're
Speaker 5: also asking that you would that not you, but that
Speaker 5: Target would help partner with ten HBCUs to help them
Speaker 5: learn in their business department how to scale their businesses
Speaker 5: and how to do retail. Eight out of ten black
Speaker 5: businesses a run out of people's houses and they only
Speaker 5: have one employee.
Speaker 6: How do I scale how to go to retail?
Speaker 5: Because where we have been scrammed, Black is where do
Speaker 5: we redirect people? And with a trillion dollars, we're a
Speaker 5: spending power and we don't have a black department store
Speaker 5: that direct people in means that we've got to do
Speaker 5: a different kind of job. Our third is we're asking
Speaker 5: for Target to do a quarter of a billion dollars
Speaker 5: in black banks, because these black businesses can scale if
Speaker 5: they don't have a black black bank backing them and
Speaker 5: pushing them to get to the next level. So we're
Speaker 5: asking them to honor what their original commitment is and
Speaker 5: what it is that they were doing prior to the
Speaker 5: emergence of Donald John Trump, and to hold fast to
Speaker 5: the commitment that they made to black people.
Speaker 4: And you know, I saw that you and Senator Nina Turner.
Speaker 4: Let's give her some love as well, the Honorable Senator.
Speaker 1: Nina Turner.
Speaker 4: She was talking about ensuring that Target restores their original
Speaker 4: DEI language and that they would state emphatically that they
Speaker 4: are continuing with their di program. And I think that's
Speaker 4: important because as someone else said to me, and you know,
Speaker 4: you can tell me what you think about this, well,
Speaker 4: maybe they have to change the name so that they
Speaker 4: are not targeted pun intended. But why is it that
Speaker 4: JP Morgan Chase and others can is it J pul
Speaker 4: Morgan Chase, It's Costco And there's others on the list
Speaker 4: that are maintaining their divert Ben and Jerry's. We love
Speaker 4: Ben and Jerry's that are maintaining their diversity, equity and
Speaker 4: inclusion language and they're saying we stand and buy it.
Speaker 4: So how why is it that we should be we
Speaker 4: should give I mean target a pass. Do you feel that, oh, well,
Speaker 4: maybe they should just change the language just so that
Speaker 4: the administration won't look at them as being a bad apple.
Speaker 5: No, I think they need to go ten toes down
Speaker 5: and reinforce the language so that we see an impact
Speaker 5: and the difference for the black community as well as
Speaker 5: I don't want the jobs just to be entry level,
Speaker 5: but in those management positions, I think we got to
Speaker 5: turn the heat up a little bit because they got
Speaker 5: away with just getting by.
Speaker 6: As you just said, they're.
Speaker 5: Not reporting to the HRC, and I think that that
Speaker 5: needs to be added as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, same here.
Speaker 4: So I thank you for making it very clear because
Speaker 4: there's some people, and you know, some of our own
Speaker 4: people can be very confused when it didn't come from
Speaker 4: their mouths first. But I think that this is a
Speaker 4: space for all of us. Know one of us knows
Speaker 4: how to do or can eat first of all. Let
Speaker 4: me put this put it this way. The algorithm does
Speaker 4: not even allow us to get the information to all
Speaker 4: of our people. So for all those who are believers,
Speaker 4: if you're a pastor and you're trying to figure out,
Speaker 4: don't wait for somebody. Do like Michelle Obama said, what
Speaker 4: did she say, consider yourself invited.
Speaker 1: You are invited into it right now. We need you
Speaker 1: sign up.
Speaker 4: They can go to targetfast dot org.
Speaker 1: Target.
Speaker 6: Let me insert this to MAKA.
Speaker 5: As a people, we've got to understand you don't need
Speaker 5: singular leadership, that's right?
Speaker 6: Or do you need singular vision? That's right?
Speaker 5: And so different people are doing different approaches and different
Speaker 5: tactics around the Target Fast. It's towards the end goal.
Speaker 5: I stand by the honorable Nat Turner. I'm walking alongside
Speaker 5: uh and grateful to do it in a different kind
Speaker 5: of past capacity. My focus is to drive and to
Speaker 5: undergo heard the Black church community as much as we can.
Speaker 5: But this is not in conflict or in competition. It
Speaker 5: is in complement with what my dear sisters already started.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we give her credit for a starting because we
Speaker 4: know to start is not always easy. It's you know,
Speaker 4: all the doubts in your head, what they're gonna say,
Speaker 4: who's gonna be with me?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: Will we fail?
Speaker 4: But and so when she called me and asked me
Speaker 4: uh to join her, I said yes first, and then
Speaker 4: we figure it all out as we go because I
Speaker 4: know that she. I know that Nina Turn is somebody
Speaker 4: who loves black people. She's brilliant, She's a brilliant organizer.
Speaker 4: And I think what you've said here is so true.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be the best orator. It's gonna be
Speaker 4: the best organizers.
Speaker 1: That's what. That's what's gonna matter in this.
Speaker 6: On the shirt.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, So it is what it is.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, my brother, for always being steadfast. When
Speaker 4: we talked about Ben and Jerry, I laughed because my
Speaker 4: last argument that I had in the comments was about
Speaker 4: you being in the ice cream shop.
Speaker 1: Was the ice cream shot, you know.
Speaker 2: And I had to fight next thing.
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta you gotta a side, You got
Speaker 3: somebody right by your side. You got a life, man,
Speaker 3: You got a life, mate all over, shout out the
Speaker 3: pastor Brian, our brother. See he breaks it down on
Speaker 3: the way, Only he can't because you'll be trying to say,
Speaker 3: I'll be trying to get it. But and then I
Speaker 3: was like that because I watched Jamal. I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask him, but you know, he had like going on.
Speaker 3: But I was watching his interview with Cam Newton and
Speaker 3: Kim new was talking about yeah, he was talking, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was talking about black on black violence, and he
Speaker 3: broke it down to the simplest compound to where he
Speaker 3: said because Kim was like, well, you know a white
Speaker 3: man had to tell me that. You know, we focus
Speaker 3: on what happens with the police killing my people, but
Speaker 3: you know most of the killing comes within our community,
Speaker 3: So why we don't focus on that? And Jamal broke
Speaker 3: him down so politely and calmly and with facts and
Speaker 3: and eloquently that came. Was just sitting there, Okay, I
Speaker 3: just I'm just saying, listen, I'm just saying, that's what
Speaker 3: I wanted to hear, and that's what he did.
Speaker 2: Just now.
Speaker 4: So shout out to past, help the brother.
Speaker 2: Help the brother. Do you think he needs more help?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give him a opinion that man
Speaker 1: ain't done nothing to me.
Speaker 2: So some of his opinions.
Speaker 4: Just just you know, he's just an interesting individual. But
Speaker 4: you know what, it seems that, you know, people like
Speaker 4: him so good.
Speaker 3: Like his honesty, right, even if it's not. I don't
Speaker 3: agree with a lot of things he says, but I
Speaker 3: enjoyed the honesty and his willingness to actually listen. Right,
Speaker 3: So when you when you have a conversation with somebody
Speaker 3: who's actually listened, even if their opinion is so off,
Speaker 3: and it actually listened to yours and they don't just
Speaker 3: he just because that's what I think, he's very intelligent, right,
Speaker 3: because he just doesn't listen just to respond and just
Speaker 3: ignore you, like you'll say something like I was watching
Speaker 3: him with the lady doctor Brant, and they were having
Speaker 3: a conversation, and every time she said something, you could
Speaker 3: tell that it sparked something that he was thinking it
Speaker 3: was okay. And even though they probably he didn't probably
Speaker 3: change she didn't change his mind completely, but she made
Speaker 3: him rethink things. It made him, you know, restructure and
Speaker 3: say that. So well, maybe I didn't think about it
Speaker 3: that way, you know, so I enjoy that part about it.
Speaker 3: But it's definitely some things I could see when I'm
Speaker 3: listening to him, I'll be like, yeah, Tomiga to me,
Speaker 3: wouldn't be okay with this right here, So I get
Speaker 3: what you saying right now, but shout out to him
Speaker 3: and brings me to my I don't get it right
Speaker 3: because we talked about things that you don't. So look,
Speaker 3: I I love Kanye like like I loved the Kanye
Speaker 3: that it used to be.
Speaker 2: Right, there was there was this college drop.
Speaker 3: There was this young, vibrant young man who was just
Speaker 3: the most creative artist, who was passionate, who was honest,
Speaker 3: who was raw, who was he didn't pretend to be
Speaker 3: this tough guy, you know, he didn't pretend to be
Speaker 3: a part of anything.
Speaker 2: He was his own individual self right, and we loved that.
Speaker 3: I love to hear him say things that the average
Speaker 3: person wouldn't say, right.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 3: He was talking about he was surrounded by all of
Speaker 3: the gangsters and state property being in them, and he
Speaker 3: said that he told him, y'all not gonna disrespect me.
Speaker 2: I know I can't beat you, but I'm just not
Speaker 2: gonna let you.
Speaker 3: Like it was just it was a young a boy,
Speaker 3: but that was a man, but he wasn't the toughest guy,
Speaker 3: but he just had heart, right, And I love that
Speaker 3: this new Kanye and what he's morphed into is is
Speaker 3: kind of It's just depressing to me, you know it
Speaker 3: really it really is right because it's not like and
Speaker 3: and the thing that I don't get, right, it's not
Speaker 3: even just that he's morphed into this.
Speaker 2: It is the fact that the culture embraces it so much.
Speaker 3: Right, They don't matter how disrespectful it is, how unrealistic
Speaker 3: it is, how demoralizing it is to him and everybody
Speaker 3: around people seem to gravitate to it. I was watching
Speaker 3: him tweet on x and talking about Kamala Harris and
Speaker 3: talking about how he wanted to f her but then
Speaker 3: she lost, so he doesn't f losers, right, And I'm
Speaker 3: saying to myself, what would make a man get on
Speaker 3: on the platform and talk about the form of vice
Speaker 3: president of black woman like that?
Speaker 2: What would make you think that was okay? Right?
Speaker 3: Like and believe that he might be dealing with mental health.
Speaker 3: But if he's dealing with mental health, then we got
Speaker 3: to treat it like that, right.
Speaker 2: We can't. We can't keep enabling.
Speaker 4: A lot of people that agree with that, they agree
Speaker 4: with that behavior. I mean, I just think that what
Speaker 4: you're trying to reach for has been shown to you
Speaker 4: over and over again that even some of the men
Speaker 4: that you have once respected, people who you you know,
Speaker 4: have broke bread with, done music with, spent time with,
Speaker 4: you know, just respected in general. I think that the
Speaker 4: most recent election proved to you that they hate women.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just.
Speaker 2: It's not even so much I believe I think it is.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: They have been because.
Speaker 3: There's a demographic of men that hate women, and there's
Speaker 3: no other explanation for based on what they've shown and
Speaker 3: what they continue to do. You know, I just watched
Speaker 3: him bring his wife, you know, to the to the
Speaker 3: the red carpet, and just had the lady naked.
Speaker 4: On the well, I'm not gonna say had the lady
Speaker 4: oh he was, Well, I refuse and the one have
Speaker 4: been the number of people whoever to and by the way,
Speaker 4: I agree with you that a man should be a
Speaker 4: head of his house. That's what say. And so a
Speaker 4: man does set the tone.
Speaker 3: But the thing is that you want to tell you
Speaker 3: what I know it was stage because he bragged about it.
Speaker 3: He went on the next day, and he bragged about
Speaker 3: the fact that her the views of people talking about
Speaker 3: her was more than the views of the Grammys, and
Speaker 3: it was some type of accolade for him, like he
Speaker 3: was excited to do it.
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying, but I'm just saying I
Speaker 4: want to be real, real careful with language, because I
Speaker 4: have watched in the comments section a number of people
Speaker 4: say she's being forced. I don't believe victim and he's
Speaker 4: making her and I don't believe, and well, let me
Speaker 4: say like this, it could be. It could be that
Speaker 4: she's that they both have severe mental health problems, because
Speaker 4: that's what I think is going on. And you know,
Speaker 4: perhaps there's an influence over her that he holds and
Speaker 4: she's doing things that maybe outside of who she truly is.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I never saw this girl before this, and I know
Speaker 4: other people have because she's not just a new person.
Speaker 1: She's I think she might have been a model or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but there has to be some personal
Speaker 4: responsibility as.
Speaker 2: As a woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and as a it's not even really just in
Speaker 4: a response to you, but I'm just saying as a
Speaker 4: woman or as a individual, you have to be able
Speaker 4: to take some responsibility for your own actions. Everything can't
Speaker 4: just be attributed to the black man forced made you know,
Speaker 4: and and and did whatever to you know. To get
Speaker 4: a person to act outside of themselves, we have to
Speaker 4: also look at people and say, the attention, the likes,
Speaker 4: the views, whatever weird ways that they go about getting it,
Speaker 4: they appreciate some of it, and if not, I guess
Speaker 4: we'll find out. But what I don't like is that
Speaker 4: in x amount of time, when she wants to try
Speaker 4: to return to a private life or return to, you know,
Speaker 4: a life as a victim, that all of a sudden
Speaker 4: we don't assign any responsibility.
Speaker 1: Is he wrong?
Speaker 4: You already know we got plenty to say about that. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: this is his environment. He's bringing his wife there. He
Speaker 4: should be a protector of his wife and all of that. Yes,
Speaker 4: I think, you know, being sexy we saw as somebody
Speaker 4: sent us. I think LaToya sent it to us to
Speaker 4: show Sierra and Rihanna and different ones who have worn
Speaker 4: very sheer pieces in the past. But we all know
Speaker 4: that what Bianca had on the other day didn't come
Speaker 4: on that was that was a whole difference.
Speaker 2: It was a stocking sleeve.
Speaker 3: And I don't believe there was any undergardments and just
Speaker 3: did I didn't understand it.
Speaker 4: But I just still want I just still want her
Speaker 4: to have some responsibility.
Speaker 3: She's a grown woman, like I mean, there was no
Speaker 3: there was no handcuffs and there was no order to
Speaker 3: I didn't even hear the man saying a word.
Speaker 1: No, they spoke.
Speaker 4: They I zoomed on in because I wanted to see
Speaker 4: what the energy was. He was saying something to her,
Speaker 4: she was saying something. He sets up and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, and she did her thing.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 4: He could have said to her, you know what I
Speaker 4: told you, you better do it. I can't say that
Speaker 4: he didn't do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think he said it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he could have.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm saying that I'm not about to be
Speaker 4: here saying what he's doing or not doing to her.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that she has a personal responsibility as well
Speaker 4: to not go on a red carpet knowing that young people,
Speaker 4: you know, elderly people are watching the Grammars. It is
Speaker 4: a family occasion. The Grammys is not for twenty one
Speaker 4: and older. You could be fourteen, fifteen, thirteen, twelve, whatever age.
Speaker 4: In fact, I don't know if she wants us to
Speaker 4: say her name, so I won't. But one of our
Speaker 4: friend's children was literally peeking off the side of the
Speaker 4: off the red carpet and saw this happen. So I'm
Speaker 4: not I refuse to take any responsibility from her. But
Speaker 4: you wasn't saying that we should.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm just My whole point was, I
Speaker 3: just don't understand how we don't watch this man spiraling right,
Speaker 3: just mentally spiraling, just you know, out of control, and
Speaker 3: we embracing it and we actually egging it on. And
Speaker 3: it's just like for me, it's just like I'm not entertained.
Speaker 3: I'm just not entertained by crassness.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's not even classy to me.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know what I'm saying, like just saying
Speaker 3: anything out your mouth just to get people to pay
Speaker 3: attention doing anything like that's not that's not that's not
Speaker 3: no free like what they say the free thinker is,
Speaker 3: it's classless. You know, like if you just if you
Speaker 3: have to say and do the bottom the most bottom
Speaker 3: feed and ship to get somebody's attention. It's just like
Speaker 3: and it's not And I don't want to and I
Speaker 3: don't want to seem like I have any hate or
Speaker 3: anything towards the mand Just like, but what what are
Speaker 3: you actually trying to accomplish? You know, you've equated money,
Speaker 3: if you've equated money with some level of honor and dignity,
Speaker 3: Like everything now is I got more money and I'm
Speaker 3: a billionaire, and I'm this and that, like there you
Speaker 3: to be a Kanye that had a moral compass, right,
Speaker 3: But but.
Speaker 4: People listening to you say this, they're they will say
Speaker 4: to you that he became enlightened. I mean after his
Speaker 4: first bout, his first try and not try, he was
Speaker 4: very successful, that he learned.
Speaker 1: About who really holds the purse.
Speaker 4: Strings, the pocketbook strings, and how far you as a
Speaker 4: black entertainer, black design or black whatever can go without
Speaker 4: the interference of all the different elements that we know of, right,
Speaker 4: we know it all exists. There are people who is
Speaker 4: a small amount of people who literally hold all the
Speaker 4: wealth and they hold the control over whether what artists
Speaker 4: make it, which ones don't, Who gets the market and
Speaker 4: dollars who don't You know when they decide that you've
Speaker 4: gone too far, said too much, did a thing, they
Speaker 4: tossed you out. And people know that, and people are
Speaker 4: looking for a way to make to bring their.
Speaker 1: Voice uh and and their uh.
Speaker 4: They want to they want to challenge systems and challenge
Speaker 4: things that they see in front of them that's wrong.
Speaker 4: And so whether he's saying it properly or not, they
Speaker 4: just admire a person that's bold enough to just say
Speaker 4: whatever the fuck, even if he's saying poopity.
Speaker 1: Scoop, Hello scoop.
Speaker 4: Even if that's what he's saying, Okay, that becomes bold.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, but that's what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: I just that's why I said, I don't get it.
Speaker 3: It's not for me, it's not, but it's obviously people
Speaker 3: are getting it because you know, right after that he
Speaker 3: had his concert and some little some little dark room whatever,
Speaker 3: and it looked like it was packed. People enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a lot of people there. So
Speaker 3: I'm just for me. I'm just like my mother said
Speaker 3: one time, like we always say, my mother said, as
Speaker 3: you say, mind, I don't understand, and then she said
Speaker 3: they could build a whole new world off the ship.
Speaker 3: You don't understand, and I really believe that this is
Speaker 3: the world that she was talking about because I don't
Speaker 3: understand none of this. It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3: You know, there's no there's no level of the quorum.
Speaker 3: There's there's nothing like and it's like we really in
Speaker 3: revelations when there's no the quorum. There is no measuring stick,
Speaker 3: there's no boundaries, there's nothing. It's just a free for all.
Speaker 3: It's just I don't even get it. So, you know,
Speaker 3: shout out to everybody that do get it, though you
Speaker 3: know I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. All you get it.
Speaker 4: I'm oh, you know, I'm well passed. I don't understand anything.
Speaker 4: Somebody said that in the commons section. They said, I
Speaker 4: just don't get nothing no more. I just don't know
Speaker 4: what at this point.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: It's just it wasn't just that, it.
Speaker 2: Was so many things.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, listen, this world ain't from as you
Speaker 3: get older, and that's what happens with age, right, Like
Speaker 3: you watched I watched my mother and my grandmother feel
Speaker 3: like this world wasn't for them, Like they just was
Speaker 3: like this, I don't fit in this because none of
Speaker 3: this it don't make no sense to me, you know,
Speaker 3: so I guess we moving towards that.
Speaker 1: You know, Wow, it's still gonna be for me.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be You're gonna find you, not me. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna find my space. I'm gonna get me a space.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the young, the young, these people crazy.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I like constant like that. I like that kind of energy,
Speaker 3: positive energy like that. Those the young kids I want
Speaker 3: to see. I want to see people like that that
Speaker 3: seem humble, that seem happy, that want to bring joy,
Speaker 3: that still have you know, he still seems like he
Speaker 3: has ethics. You know, he still has principles. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying everything about that's what I want
Speaker 3: to see. So I have faith in that, and I
Speaker 3: got my young kings this on their way up, So
Speaker 3: I have faith that they're gonna change the dynamics.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna look and say, that's what I was
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that they will.
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