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Speaker 1: are not going to have a poll question today. I
Speaker 1: just didn't know if there was an appropriate poll question
Speaker 1: given the temperature here in the sports world. You know,
Speaker 1: but this has been there for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: and we started to see some of the signs of
Speaker 1: maybe what happened yesterday and last night playing out prior
Speaker 1: to yesterday and last night. Chris Hayes from Yahoo Sports
Speaker 1: has done a wonderful job in covering the NBA, not
Speaker 1: only on the court, but off the court in the bubble,
Speaker 1: and he talked to about maybe there's some teams getting together.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Celtics and the Raptors were going to sit
Speaker 1: out their first game their schedule to play today. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's going to be basketball today, but we'll
Speaker 1: keep an eye on all of this. It's all fluid.
Speaker 1: You have the players meeting this morning, the NBA Board
Speaker 1: of Governors meeting this morning, and we're going to try
Speaker 1: to connect with as many people as we can. Just
Speaker 1: to give you an update on this. Jim Jackson, who
Speaker 1: worked for NBA TV, was on the air yesterday and
Speaker 1: I got a heads up prior to this that you
Speaker 1: got to watch what's happening with the Bucks. And I
Speaker 1: flipped over at NBA TV, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: and it's mid afternoon, it's four o'clock, and I go, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're on the floor. Now they're not on the floor,
Speaker 1: and the Magic were on the floor. The Bucks went
Speaker 1: into their locker room, and I wasn't sure what was happening,
Speaker 1: but I got the feeling because I didn't know if
Speaker 1: there was a technical delay, but they went into their
Speaker 1: locker room, and then Orlando went into its locker room,
Speaker 1: and then I realized they're not going to be basketball
Speaker 1: this afternoon. And then I reached out to a source
Speaker 1: who said there's not going to be basketball tonight either,
Speaker 1: and probably not tomorrow, meaning today, and I don't know
Speaker 1: where we stand, but we'll cover it the best we can.
Speaker 1: Jim Jackson will join us coming up here in about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. I thought NBA TV did a wonderful job
Speaker 1: with this yesterday, Sam Mitchell and Jim Jackson, because this
Speaker 1: was real time, This was a real moment, and this
Speaker 1: was something that was happening right in front of us.
Speaker 1: I'm tuning in to watch a game, there is no game,
Speaker 1: and then you want to know what is going on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. The Milwaukee Bucks were meeting and George Hill,
Speaker 1: the Bucks guard, then came out and gave this statement,
Speaker 1: let me see if we're still working on getting all
Speaker 1: this sound from yesterday, so I will bring that to
Speaker 1: you here coming up at a moment. But the actions
Speaker 1: of the NBAWNBA and baseball players took last night didn't
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. The decision to walk out was
Speaker 1: really part of a progression towards social activism. We've seen
Speaker 1: this from athletes in recent years. So here's George Hill
Speaker 1: of the Bucks yesterday after the game was postponed. We're
Speaker 1: calling for justice, letigably and demand also be hilled accountable
Speaker 1: for this to occur. It is imperative for the Westconstant
Speaker 1: State Legislator to reconde after months of inaction and take
Speaker 1: the meaningful managers to address the issues of police accountability, brutality,
Speaker 1: and criminal justice reform. So that's George Hill of the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. But not long after, Lebron James and Dwyane Wade,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony opened up the SP's remember
Speaker 1: that summer of twenty sixteen, and this was in large
Speaker 1: part due to the reaction of Muhammad Ali passing away.
Speaker 1: Muhammed Ali passed away and I remember coming in I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was the next day or soon after,
Speaker 1: and I said, you're starting to get a groundswell of
Speaker 1: athletes realizing what Muhammad Ali did and when he did it,
Speaker 1: and why he did it, and how he did it
Speaker 1: and how it affected him. There were consequences with what
Speaker 1: he did. He did not want to go to the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War. He was a conscientious objector, but he knew
Speaker 1: what he was putting on the line, and that is
Speaker 1: his heavyweight title. He was in the prime of his
Speaker 1: career and he gave it up. And you know, they
Speaker 1: wanted to put him in jail. They took away his title.
Speaker 1: When you had Mexico City, Tommy Smith and John Carlos,
Speaker 1: they won medals and they raised their fists with a
Speaker 1: black glove on it. They knew what they were sacrificing.
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick when he took a knee, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the time he knew what he was sacrificing, but
Speaker 1: he soon found out what he was sacrificing. And now
Speaker 1: these players, I think are at a crossroads of what
Speaker 1: are they willing to sacrifice? How important is this? And
Speaker 1: I think we're going to find out here in the
Speaker 1: next twenty four hours. But I do think the passing
Speaker 1: of Muhammad Ali, where if you're younger, a younger generation,
Speaker 1: you don't realize exactly how powerful polarizing he was. And
Speaker 1: I think when Chris Paul, Dwyane, Wade, Lebron and Carmelo
Speaker 1: opened up the spies by speaking about social justice, they
Speaker 1: were inspired by Muhammad Ali. Lebron said that the only
Speaker 1: true way to honor Ali was doing what he was
Speaker 1: doing and taking a larger role in social activism. Because
Speaker 1: Ali was stripped of his heavyweight title because of his
Speaker 1: decision not to go to the war, circumstances certainly are
Speaker 1: different for today's athletes. But there are clear parallels, and
Speaker 1: we're going to see just how far the players are
Speaker 1: willing to go, how much they're willing to sacrifice, because
Speaker 1: that is what this is about. It's going to be
Speaker 1: an eventful week, just like Ali. What we're seeing this
Speaker 1: week as a chance to jump off the sports pages
Speaker 1: and into the history books. Here teams taking votes. I
Speaker 1: was on a phone call last night with a prominent
Speaker 1: agent and he is waiting to hear from some of
Speaker 1: his clients and even said to me at one point,
Speaker 1: if such and such balls, I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: hang up. And the agents aren't in the bubble. They're
Speaker 1: the lifeline because these players want to know, like can
Speaker 1: I do this? Am I sacrificing my salary? Can I
Speaker 1: get out of the bubble? Like what happens here? The ramifications?
Speaker 1: We've never seen this before. And he said this is
Speaker 1: front burner and it's so bleep and hot you won't
Speaker 1: believe it. And I said, well, I do believe it.
Speaker 1: And he said there are teams that want to shut
Speaker 1: down this season. Now. The players are probably the Clippers
Speaker 1: and the Lakers. All the players are in a ballroom
Speaker 1: here and Lebron walks out, and you've probably read this,
Speaker 1: and guys who have done a great job. Chris Haynes
Speaker 1: broke the story, Chris Mannox has done a wonderful job
Speaker 1: in covering this, so I want them to get the credit.
Speaker 1: But I was told Lebron was walking out. This was
Speaker 1: a Clippers Lakers led meeting as far as they wanted
Speaker 1: everybody to know they stood and that they did not
Speaker 1: want to continue the season. I don't know how they
Speaker 1: feel today. I don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: the commissioner. I don't know the role the owners are
Speaker 1: going to play here too, and the owners do need
Speaker 1: to play a role here. But if you have a
Speaker 1: basketball game in less than seven hours, these guys got
Speaker 1: to get ready. And I don't think you're going to
Speaker 1: have basketball today. This feels like these teams postponed. So
Speaker 1: these teams will postpone. Everybody is going to postpone a game.
Speaker 1: So the Nuggets and Jazz are supposed to play at
Speaker 1: four Eastern, and then you have yesterday's games. Now they're
Speaker 1: not canceled, they were just postponed. That's key to understand that.
Speaker 1: Because there was also legal language that this agent was
Speaker 1: telling me about that he had to navigate through if
Speaker 1: there was a forfeit, If the Bucks could have forfeited
Speaker 1: that game, if Orlando wanted to take him up on
Speaker 1: it and say, all right, you don't want to play,
Speaker 1: then it's a forfeit. Orlando would have those players would
Speaker 1: have looked bad in that situation. But where we are now,
Speaker 1: where we're going to be in twenty four hours from
Speaker 1: now tough to handicap. And I'm not going to try
Speaker 1: to speculate. And I don't want to tell you how
Speaker 1: to feel in this situation. I don't want to look
Speaker 1: at the players and say this is how, hey, you
Speaker 1: should be out there playing. I could only tell you
Speaker 1: how they're feeling. I can only bring you some of
Speaker 1: the interviews this sound from some of these players. I'm
Speaker 1: going to bring back Doc rivers comments that was on
Speaker 1: Wednesday prior to their game with the MAVs. It's one
Speaker 1: of the most important sports speeches I've ever heard. And
Speaker 1: maybe it's not fair to just label it a sports
Speaker 1: speech because it was a powerful speech by Doc Rivers
Speaker 1: and what he was saying and his message that he
Speaker 1: was sending. And we'll have that for you coming up
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Speaker 1: show and once again there's no poll question today. I
Speaker 1: just didn't know if I could find something that was
Speaker 1: smart enough to put in there. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be flippant today. You know, we try to do a
Speaker 1: show that's based on We were going to have Pat
Speaker 1: McAfee on today. They probably have a few laughs. Former
Speaker 1: Colts puntered and I just said, I can't put him
Speaker 1: in this situation. Greg Olsen, the Seattle Seahawks tight end.
Speaker 1: I said to Fritzie, I can't put him in this
Speaker 1: situation because it's not fair to him. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the NFL. Does the NFL
Speaker 1: follow suit Some baseball teams did, some baseball players did hockey,
Speaker 1: some players did, some teams did, some teams didn't. And
Speaker 1: what happened was it happened so quickly that the Bucks
Speaker 1: decided to do this. And this agent told me that
Speaker 1: some of the players that he had spoken to were
Speaker 1: upset with the Bucks because there was no communication with
Speaker 1: the other teams. They decided. I don't know when they decided,
Speaker 1: but they decided. And then all of a sudden, if
Speaker 1: you're the Rocket Rockets in the thunder, you can't play
Speaker 1: Lakers Blazers, you can't play. And that's where there was
Speaker 1: some feelings, hurt, some sensitivity that was conveyed that these
Speaker 1: players are saying, give us a heads up, we're all
Speaker 1: in this together. Lebron wants action from the owners. He
Speaker 1: wants the owners. You know, the players are the ones
Speaker 1: that are in the bubble and entertaining everybody. Now the
Speaker 1: owners aren't there, and he wants the owners involved in this.
Speaker 1: And Lebron is leading the chart. And yesterday when we
Speaker 1: had Charles Barkley on and even Chris Haynes from Yahoo Sports,
Speaker 1: I said, how much pressure is on Lebron? Because this
Speaker 1: all comes back to Lebron James. He's been very vocal, outspoken,
Speaker 1: whether it's during interviews or on Twitter. And Charles Barkley
Speaker 1: and Chris Haynes were like, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: pressure is on Lebron. I do a ton of pressure
Speaker 1: and trying to win a championship. And he's hinted at
Speaker 1: some stuff off the court, whether it's outside the bubble,
Speaker 1: something about it, and people speculated now he's getting ready
Speaker 1: to throw his teammates under the bus. He's kind of
Speaker 1: getting out in front of this that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a good enough team to win the championship. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's necessarily the case, because he's been involved
Speaker 1: in a lot of different things, and certainly this with
Speaker 1: the social activism. But Lebron and Chris Paul, from what
Speaker 1: I was told last night, they're the ones that are
Speaker 1: leading the charge. Now. I don't know if they're both
Speaker 1: headed in the same direction because the reports are Lebron,
Speaker 1: the Lakers, Clippers, Kauai, we're walking out and we're not
Speaker 1: going to play basketball. Plus you have and maybe perfect
Speaker 1: storm is not the best description, but all the players
Speaker 1: are there in the bubble, so they can all get together.
Speaker 1: Moment's notice. You can get the whole team together, you
Speaker 1: can get teams together, you can get the league together.
Speaker 1: But you're there in the bubble. There's all ready frustration
Speaker 1: isolation there, and now you get everybody together. Now you
Speaker 1: can take the temperature right there, real time in person.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's been going on. So Jim
Speaker 1: Jackson will join us coming up, and I will bring
Speaker 1: back the doc Rivers sound that I it was tough
Speaker 1: listening to. We have a little bit of time here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to play a little bit of this. But
Speaker 1: here's Dock Rivers. This is on Wednesday, prior to the
Speaker 1: game of the Mavericks, and Doc, who's dad as a
Speaker 1: former police officer, I think three decades as a police officer,
Speaker 1: was speaking from the heart. All you do is keep
Speaker 1: hearing a fear. It's it's amazing why we keep loving
Speaker 1: this country and this country his back, it's it's really
Speaker 1: so sad. My God should just be a coach. And
Speaker 1: it's so often reminded of my color. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just really sad. We gotta do better. It's Doc Rivers
Speaker 1: as I said that his father is a former police officer.
Speaker 1: I think thirty years as a police officer. Doc and
Speaker 1: his players considered boycotting a playoff game back in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen after the audiotape surface that featured the former owner
Speaker 1: Donald Sterling were revealed, and he said, this time is
Speaker 1: different because it's the whole league rather than one team
Speaker 1: weighing that decision, and Doc said, I think every team
Speaker 1: has to decide what they want to do, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I hope everyone plays now he does have house credit
Speaker 1: to be able to say this, Hey, I want us
Speaker 1: to play. I hope we play. And this is where
Speaker 1: the discussion last night, and it got heated from what
Speaker 1: I'm told is you had players who were like, if
Speaker 1: we don't play, what impact does that have on what
Speaker 1: we want to accomplish? If we do play, what impact
Speaker 1: is that going to have? And there's I don't know
Speaker 1: how big group. I don't want to underestimate or overestimate,
Speaker 1: but saying, you know, Black Lives Matter has kind of
Speaker 1: been lost here. You now watch a game and I
Speaker 1: don't It's like seeing a city bank ad like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you react the same way, even what's
Speaker 1: on the jerseys. I don't know if we're reacting the
Speaker 1: way that the players had hoped we would react. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying we as society and what we see, what
Speaker 1: we read, and then now you have a decision here. Also,
Speaker 1: the players were informed last night, I'm told about the
Speaker 1: financial aspects of all of this. Players Union Rep. Michelle
Speaker 1: Roberts informed the players of what's at stake because there
Speaker 1: are financial ramifications here. They've already lost a couple of
Speaker 1: one hundred billion or whatever with China earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: And now you run the financial risk here and you
Speaker 1: have a commissioner in Adam Silver, who has who governs
Speaker 1: a league that's run by players. This isn't like the NFL,
Speaker 1: where that commissioner just wants to put money in the
Speaker 1: owner's pockets. Adam Silver knows this is a player driven league.
Speaker 1: You know what, how many owners in the NBA do
Speaker 1: you know Mark Cuban, who else? Not many other Steve Ballmer?
Speaker 1: Why because it's a player driven league. In the NFL,
Speaker 1: we tend to know all the owners. It feels like
Speaker 1: because it's an owner's driven league. This commissioner, for as
Speaker 1: much credit as he got for Donald Sterling, and you know,
Speaker 1: sending him out put him out on the street. This
Speaker 1: is there's no comparison because that was an easy decision.
Speaker 1: Now you have something really serious and long term ramifications here.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the pressure on Adam Silver to try
Speaker 1: to hold this together. And once again, the players are sensitive.
Speaker 1: They want to call it a boycott. Not the games
Speaker 1: are postponed. But we'll talk to Jim Jackson will join
Speaker 1: his coming up next. He did a great job former player,
Speaker 1: NBA player, and as I always tell people when they
Speaker 1: talk about TV, when you know it's live and it's real,
Speaker 1: that's when you find out how somebody can perform under pressure.
Speaker 1: You could watch somebody. I could watch Jim Jackson play
Speaker 1: a basketball game under pressure. That's one thing. But yesterday
Speaker 1: you have to fill all this time and you're not
Speaker 1: quite sure what just happened right in front of you,
Speaker 1: and I thought Jim Jackson did a wonderful job. If
Speaker 1: you want to be involved and you have something to say,
Speaker 1: you know that I'm one of the few shows, national
Speaker 1: shows in America that takes phone calls, your emails, your tweets,
Speaker 1: because I trust this audience and you may not agree
Speaker 1: with my opinion on this, and I'm trying not to
Speaker 1: give you an opinion. I just want to I want
Speaker 1: you to establish your opinion, or maybe I can change
Speaker 1: your opinion. I don't know. I'm just I'm covering the
Speaker 1: fallout from this. It's not a lecture moment. It's just
Speaker 1: more of a perspective, trying to put it all in perspective,
Speaker 1: and that'll be the challenge over the next two and
Speaker 1: a half hours. So hope you can stay for a while.
Speaker 1: We'll come back with Jim Jackson. He'll join us next
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Speaker 1: don't have a poll question today. Hope you understand. Just
Speaker 1: given the sensitivity of everything that's going on, Bucks lead
Speaker 1: the NBA shutdown Wednesday night. Three baseball games were stopped.
Speaker 1: Three NBA games are scheduled today but from what I'm told,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be played. NBA Board of Governors
Speaker 1: meeting this morning. I believe there's a players meeting later
Speaker 1: on today as well. Jim Jackson NBA on TNT analyst
Speaker 1: and he was on the call NBA TV yesterday. Jim,
Speaker 1: I've watched you a lot of times in your career,
Speaker 1: college and pro. You had one of your best performances
Speaker 1: of your life yesterday. I appreciate the honesty and doing
Speaker 1: that on live TV when you saw this was unfolding
Speaker 1: right there in front of you. When did you get
Speaker 1: an inkling that something was up that the Bucks were
Speaker 1: probably not going to play this game. First of all, Dan,
Speaker 1: thank you, you know for having me on your show
Speaker 1: this morning. Thanks thanks for the kind words. Early in
Speaker 1: the day we heard some rumblings about maybe the Toronto
Speaker 1: Raptors were thinking about maybe a boycott, but we didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of credence to that, so we kind
Speaker 1: of just went about our day preparing for the game
Speaker 1: as normal. Once we got to the venue in the arena,
Speaker 1: you know, the Orlando Magic were out warming up their
Speaker 1: pregame warm up, you know, coaches kind of shooting, and
Speaker 1: so were the Milwaukee Bucks some players out there, but
Speaker 1: as time began to pass a little bit and Orlando
Speaker 1: Magic went back to their locker room to begin their preparations,
Speaker 1: their pregame prep, last minute adjustments before they came back
Speaker 1: out for their final warm up before the game. They
Speaker 1: came back out and we noticed that the Milwaukee Bucks
Speaker 1: have yet to enter onto the court. And as the
Speaker 1: time began to you know, count down to zero and
Speaker 1: the game clock, no Milwaukee Bucks came to the court.
Speaker 1: And at that point we got word that there had
Speaker 1: been a players meeting and that they had decided, because
Speaker 1: of the shooting of Jacob Blake and what was going
Speaker 1: on in Kenosha, that they would boycott the basketball game.
Speaker 1: And then you're trying to process this, What's Orlando do?
Speaker 1: Because I thought they were kind of caught off guard here.
Speaker 1: It felt like I don't know when the Bucks voted
Speaker 1: on this, Jim, but it felt like I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was a rush to vote or last minute,
Speaker 1: but it felt like they should have given at least
Speaker 1: Orlando a heads up there, because Orlando, They're still on
Speaker 1: the floor, and I'm going, what is going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I agree to some point, and it would have back
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I do think a couple of
Speaker 1: players from the Bucks I had had a private meeting
Speaker 1: the night before and talked about this, okay, and now
Speaker 1: when they brought it to their teammates, I'm really not
Speaker 1: for sure, but it was brought in time in order
Speaker 1: to put a game plan in place in regards to
Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic. Sometimes with a plan like this, if
Speaker 1: it's going to be enacted the right way, if it's
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks, I think they felt it was better
Speaker 1: and their best interests to wait until they had everything
Speaker 1: in place, because again, they put out calls through the
Speaker 1: ownership to the Attorney General's office in Wisconsin also the
Speaker 1: District Attorney's office in Kenosha to talk about the case itself.
Speaker 1: So they had a plan in place. It worked. The
Speaker 1: Orlando Magic jumped on board, and hence the other teams
Speaker 1: later that day also decided that the boycott was necessary.
Speaker 1: If you were still in the NBA, what would you
Speaker 1: want to hear now as you move forward that would
Speaker 1: keep you in the bubble. Well, you know, Dan, I've
Speaker 1: been asked that a lot, and that's a trick question. Begaun.
Speaker 1: I say that because as a man that's now forty nine,
Speaker 1: about to be fifty. My thought process is a lot different.
Speaker 1: How would think at twenty four, twenty five, twenty six
Speaker 1: years old without an education in the reading and the
Speaker 1: knowledge that I have now is a lot different. But
Speaker 1: I would want to see a plan together in regards
Speaker 1: to pushing the narrative of social justice also, you know,
Speaker 1: racial inequalities. But for the players itself, what they've been
Speaker 1: saying all along pre bubble, post bubble, during the bubble
Speaker 1: is that we need to take more leadership, our owners
Speaker 1: need to take more responsibility within our communities because if
Speaker 1: we don't do it, if we don't have a voice,
Speaker 1: then we're asking others who don't have who have been marginalized,
Speaker 1: who don't have the platform to affect change. We, more
Speaker 1: than anybody else, have the opportunity to do that, not
Speaker 1: just we as the players, but from an ownership, because
Speaker 1: you have a vested interest not only in the NBA.
Speaker 1: More importantly, you have a vested interest in the communities
Speaker 1: in which you are located. What does the commissioner need
Speaker 1: to do today? I think Jim had a freeze up
Speaker 1: with his connection here. Let's see if we can reconnect
Speaker 1: with him yeah, because I was wondering if the commissioner
Speaker 1: goes to the Board of governors. I don't even know
Speaker 1: who's on the board of governors with the NBA. We
Speaker 1: discussed this before the show, and I looked up the
Speaker 1: board of governors and there's no clear list. There's a
Speaker 1: board of governors of the Basketball Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if those are the same people who
Speaker 1: are the board of governors the NBA. Yes, mcle I
Speaker 1: read that it's the commissioner, the owners and their representatives.
Speaker 1: So I don't know who they representatives means, but it's
Speaker 1: the owners are part of the board of governers. What
Speaker 1: I just read on that side actors, So it's an
Speaker 1: owner's meeting, I think, so, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there are other people in the room too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't know when the commissioner gets together with them, Like,
Speaker 1: what are the owners won from the commissioner, what's the
Speaker 1: commissioner one from the owners? And then you're going to
Speaker 1: have a player's only meeting From what I'm told, At
Speaker 1: what point do you do that? Because if you have
Speaker 1: a basketball game at four o'clock this afternoon, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to get these guys, you know, shoot arounds, whatever
Speaker 1: it might be. You got to go into your normal protocol,
Speaker 1: your routine to be able to do this. Is Jim
Speaker 1: back with his time. Hey Jim, sorry about that. We
Speaker 1: lost you there for a moment. What do you want
Speaker 1: to hear from the commissioner today or what do you
Speaker 1: think he should say today? Well, I think he's What
Speaker 1: I think he's going to say is he supports the
Speaker 1: players because with throughout the time of putting in place
Speaker 1: to bubble, it's always been about the MBPA and the
Speaker 1: NBA working together and you and I think it's witnessed
Speaker 1: by the amount of content that was produced and put
Speaker 1: together to support these narratives. Okay, So I don't see
Speaker 1: it going any other way or going left in regards
Speaker 1: to what the Commissioner will say. Now, what comes out
Speaker 1: of the Board of Governor Governor's meeting is very important
Speaker 1: in regards to what is next on the agenda collectively
Speaker 1: as a group with the players and the owners and
Speaker 1: the NBA. So wouldn't expect Adam Silver to sway away
Speaker 1: from the narrative that the players are continuing to pursue.
Speaker 1: If a player asks you if you should play what
Speaker 1: would you say. I say, do it's in your heart,
Speaker 1: because that's what's important. What Jim Jackson would do is
Speaker 1: a lot different. But I will say this too that
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you really want to affect change,
Speaker 1: and then you've been around enough to note this change
Speaker 1: is uncomfortable, uncomfortable maybe to yourself and to a lot
Speaker 1: of other people. And if you're not willing to deal
Speaker 1: with that uncomfortableness, then you're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to You're not going to be able to fully give
Speaker 1: the effort and achieve the goals that you want because
Speaker 1: you can't have it halfway. You can't say I want
Speaker 1: social change, but I only want to give a little
Speaker 1: bit of your time and sacrifice in order for it
Speaker 1: to happen. If you're going to be the beacon of light,
Speaker 1: you've got to go all in. If you're not all in,
Speaker 1: allow somebody else to do it. That can push the
Speaker 1: agenda in a narrative in a way where now you
Speaker 1: really do affect social change. I couldn't help but think
Speaker 1: of Kyrie Irving last night, Jim, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: because it was a couple of weeks ago, Kyrie said
Speaker 1: what he said and people came down hard on him, like,
Speaker 1: if we really are all in it for social activism
Speaker 1: and justice, we should not be playing basketball games because
Speaker 1: it'll take away from the narrative here and I'm paraphrasing here,
Speaker 1: And people came down hard on him, saying, oh, you're
Speaker 1: not even healthy enough to be playing in the bubble.
Speaker 1: You know, if you were healthy, would you be saying this?
Speaker 1: And Kyrie what he said, I think it is ringing
Speaker 1: true today in a lot of people's ears. You know
Speaker 1: it is too and everybody is it's a title to
Speaker 1: their own opinion. I do believe that with the restart
Speaker 1: of the NBA, the platform was wide open for a
Speaker 1: lot more conversation that I don't know really would have
Speaker 1: taken place because the platform, in regards to the media
Speaker 1: was there social media, the games are on TV, the
Speaker 1: players had outlets each and every day to kind of
Speaker 1: push the message that they were trying to relay throughout
Speaker 1: the country, and the voice is so heard from the NBA,
Speaker 1: unlike maybe football from an international perspective. So Tyrie hat
Speaker 1: did have a point in regards to taking away from
Speaker 1: the meat of the movement. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I do believe that being in the bubble, I've been here.
Speaker 1: Has a couple of things happened. Dan one again has
Speaker 1: been broadcast nationally internationally, the advertisements, the companies that have
Speaker 1: gotten involved, the groups that have supported you know, minority
Speaker 1: businesses and opportunities have happened. But also the players have
Speaker 1: had a chance to spend time with each other, you know,
Speaker 1: for hours, for days that they wouldn't normally wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: So I get a chance to talk to some guys
Speaker 1: on another team and we can trade notes, we can
Speaker 1: come together and talk about what's next post this NBA season,
Speaker 1: and that allow these players now to come together and
Speaker 1: kind of make the decision that we're seeing or we
Speaker 1: will see later today. I think spread apart, you don't
Speaker 1: the confluence of things that have come together. You don't.
Speaker 1: You still don't kind of get that. So I do
Speaker 1: think that it's had value being in the bubble. As
Speaker 1: we see today, he's Jim Jackson, former NBA player, now
Speaker 1: an analyst on NBA on TNT. How much pressure do
Speaker 1: you think is on Lebron right now? So it's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure because he's the face of the league,
Speaker 1: he's the face of social change. When it speaks upon
Speaker 1: the NBA. But certain people are built to handle it.
Speaker 1: And you know, is it always Is it always easy? No?
Speaker 1: If you look at our leaders throughout history, it's never easy.
Speaker 1: When you're put in a situation where everyone is expecting
Speaker 1: you to lead the way because you're not perfect, You're human.
Speaker 1: The insights that you may have based upon your upbringing
Speaker 1: may not equate or agree with other people. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get people that are going to be negative towards you.
Speaker 1: But if you're doing things for the right reason, can
Speaker 1: your heart is in the right place and it's not
Speaker 1: about you, then you can carry that burden. Okay, Lebron
Speaker 1: has done an outstanding job. Is it sometimes too much? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But you know what, it's certain people throughout history that
Speaker 1: have been able to be placed in that situation and
Speaker 1: be able to handle the moment. I'm waiting to see
Speaker 1: and I'm anticipating in the Lebron James will be able
Speaker 1: to step up and handle this moment just as he's
Speaker 1: done any other one. Do you think it's a real
Speaker 1: possibility that the season is canceled? I do. I do,
Speaker 1: and for a bigger reason too, Dan. It's the social
Speaker 1: justice issue and the racial discrimination is something that it's
Speaker 1: an interesting concept because we are asking people to say,
Speaker 1: look at me as a person that as a second
Speaker 1: class citizen. You know, throughout our history we've had many
Speaker 1: amendments laws. I don't care if it's a Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's fair housing discrimination, fourteen fifteenth Amendment.
Speaker 1: We've had laws to say discrimination, voter suppression, racial inequality
Speaker 1: is wrong. But laws are penning the paper. Unless you're
Speaker 1: able to change someone's mindset, or their mindset is able
Speaker 1: to change on how you view the person that looks
Speaker 1: a little bit different than you, and you don't treat
Speaker 1: them like a second class citizen. All of these things
Speaker 1: that we're trying to accomplish, it doesn't matter because the
Speaker 1: people in power, the people that the control the pen
Speaker 1: still see you as a second class citizen. And until
Speaker 1: that changes, that's a reason why it's been perpetuated for
Speaker 1: ten twenty thirty, forty fifty sixty seventy eighty one hundred
Speaker 1: years of having the same conversation, see me as you're equal.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be better than you. I'm not
Speaker 1: asking for anything more than you. I'm just asking for
Speaker 1: the same opportunities that you are afforded as an American.
Speaker 1: That's it. And until you change that mindset, Dan, And
Speaker 1: it starts with education when kids are young on how
Speaker 1: they view themselves and other minority groups. Because when you're
Speaker 1: taught when you're young that you're superior to African Americans,
Speaker 1: Native Americans, Latino American, Chinese Americans, you grow up that way.
Speaker 1: And conversely, Dan, as these minority groups are told that
Speaker 1: their inferior, they grow up with an inferior complex and
Speaker 1: always feel that they're marginalized. It's well said. I have
Speaker 1: a theory that when Muhammad Ali passed away in the
Speaker 1: summer of twenty sixteen, I think it opened a whole
Speaker 1: new generation's eyes to what Ali stood for and who
Speaker 1: he really was, and the reaction to his death. At
Speaker 1: the SPS that year, he had Lebron and d Wade
Speaker 1: and Chris Paul and Carmelo and they got up there
Speaker 1: and they that's when I think this kind of started
Speaker 1: with certainly the NBA players and just what Ali went
Speaker 1: through a lot of people probably didn't understand. And then
Speaker 1: all of course later in his life he's beloved. You know,
Speaker 1: he's lighting the flame at the Olympics in Atlanta. But
Speaker 1: I do think that something was hatched that day or
Speaker 1: soon after when people started seeing the clips of Ali
Speaker 1: and who he really was and what he stood for,
Speaker 1: because you have to be willing to give up something,
Speaker 1: and he did. Kaepernick gave up something, John Carlos and
Speaker 1: Tommy Smith gave up something. But others have to give
Speaker 1: up something as well. It can't just be on just
Speaker 1: these players. And I think that's the important part as
Speaker 1: we move forward. Then I'm glad you brought up Muhammad Ali,
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali, who was my favorite athlete of all time.
Speaker 1: And keep in mind back when he changed his name
Speaker 1: to Cassus Clay to Muhammad Ali and he converted over
Speaker 1: to the Muslim religion. During that time when he was
Speaker 1: outspoken about the Vietnam War, about ratio inequities and in qualities.
Speaker 1: Even in the black community, he was shunned because a
Speaker 1: lot of black people thought that he was hurting the
Speaker 1: civil rights movement. He was popular, but he was unpopular
Speaker 1: in a lot of circles because he was rocking the boat,
Speaker 1: so to speak. It was a black man at the
Speaker 1: time in the sixties that spoke against the powers that be.
Speaker 1: So the Muhammad Ali that a lot of people, to
Speaker 1: your points saw later in life that beloved one of
Speaker 1: the most beloved athletes of all time. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: that he had to go through that struggle, he had
Speaker 1: to go through that pain. I'm sure there were times
Speaker 1: in his lives where he thought to himself, is it
Speaker 1: all worth it? Because I'm not only endangering myself and
Speaker 1: I'm endangering my family, But he stayed with it. Again,
Speaker 1: the sacrifice for him was worth the cost down the line,
Speaker 1: and right now with these young athletes because of social
Speaker 1: media and the times have changed, and I think young
Speaker 1: people in general, they see a different side of the
Speaker 1: world and people and say to themselves, especially athletes. Now
Speaker 1: in basketball, we have an opportunity to do something. Now
Speaker 1: what that opportunity will move forward to. We have to
Speaker 1: push the narrative, but we also have to be willing,
Speaker 1: like you said, to give up something. What is that
Speaker 1: our time, our money? You know, to be able to
Speaker 1: meet with our ownership and demand that within these thirty
Speaker 1: cities where our NBA teams are located, you have a
Speaker 1: better presence in regards to voter suppression, racial injustices, the
Speaker 1: incarceration in justice. You know, those things are pushing the
Speaker 1: narrative and if you don't do that, then we're going
Speaker 1: to put the ball down and walk away. And to
Speaker 1: these demands are met. Good to talk to you, Jim.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. I know you had a long
Speaker 1: day yesterday and you're certainly starting out with the long
Speaker 1: day to day. But thank you for your thoughts anytime.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, That's Jim Jackson, NBA on T and T Analyst.
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Speaker 1: my God, the play of the Day, God playing this
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Speaker 1: talked to any of the players. I'm just like coming
Speaker 1: in even like driving here and getting into into the
Speaker 1: studio here in calls and people talking, and for me,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing now is to kind of
Speaker 1: as a black man as a form of player. I
Speaker 1: think it's best for me to support the players and
Speaker 1: just not be here tonight and figure out what happens out.
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Speaker 1: today for more information. Got some information on some of
Speaker 1: the NFL teams who will and will not practice today.
Speaker 1: The Saints, according to Diana Russini of the Mothership, have
Speaker 1: no plans on canceling practice as of now per source.
Speaker 1: There's talk that the Giants, Patriots, Buccaneers are among teams
Speaker 1: not canceling practice. There's also the Colts, I believe, who
Speaker 1: are going to cancel practice today. Ravens will practice and
Speaker 1: then meet later. Let's see. Giants just had their first
Speaker 1: bus drop off players. They practice today. Discussions as a
Speaker 1: team leadership group decided yesterday they want to practice to
Speaker 1: give the young players, especially rookies a chance to make
Speaker 1: the team in an already shortened summer. The Jets will
Speaker 1: not practice today. The Washington football team is also canceled
Speaker 1: practice today. That's about it. So that's the update on
Speaker 1: some of these teams and what they're going to do,
Speaker 1: whether they're going to cancel practice as a show solidarity
Speaker 1: with what happened with the NBA. And we have about
Speaker 1: an hour and ten minutes until the owners or board
Speaker 1: of governors are going to meet separately and the players
Speaker 1: are going to meet separately. We're going to talk to
Speaker 1: Chris Mannox who's in the bubble. He'll join us in
Speaker 1: the eleven o'clock hour. He was great last night. He
Speaker 1: and Chris Haynes from yah who Sports. They were giving
Speaker 1: us some great updates there and basically sitting outside the
Speaker 1: ballroom where all the players were waiting for some kind
Speaker 1: of information there. And Chris will join us a little
Speaker 1: bit later on. Also, I wanted to have Mike Florio
Speaker 1: on from Pro Football Talk because Daniel Snyder is once
Speaker 1: again in the news and he keeps somehow avoiding the
Speaker 1: intense heat of that spotlight. I don't think we've had
Speaker 1: a comment on the record from Daniel Snyder probably in
Speaker 1: a year. Maybe I'm trying to think the last time
Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder met with the media. I think he had
Speaker 1: a statement of what happened with the Washington Post story.
Speaker 1: But if I'm in the NFL, why do I continue
Speaker 1: to protect Daniel Snyder? Like what is the upside of
Speaker 1: keeping Daniel Snyder as an owner? And now you have
Speaker 1: a report in the wash Ington Post that back in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, the cheerleaders went on a photo
Speaker 1: shoot and apparently there's video of them that somebody took
Speaker 1: surreptitiously and that was it for Daniel Snyder or did
Speaker 1: he get a copy of this? So at some point
Speaker 1: is that Why is the commissioner giving Daniel Snyder far
Speaker 1: more leeway than he would a player? I can't do
Speaker 1: you govern everybody the same? How about you put Daniel
Speaker 1: Snyder on the commissioner's examp list. Who's embarrassing the league
Speaker 1: more Daniel Snyder or Antonio Brown? I think at some
Speaker 1: point the NFL has just got to say the other
Speaker 1: owners have to say, this isn't good business for us,
Speaker 1: or maybe they're so protected that it doesn't matter, like
Speaker 1: business is going to be great. Yeah, Paul. The last
Speaker 1: time Redskins owner Daniel Snyder spoke publicly where he heard
Speaker 1: audio of his voice, didn't he screw up a date?
Speaker 1: He was the January second press converts introducing head coach
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, and he signed off with wishing everybody happy Thanksgiving. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm January second. Okay, so he was the first one
Speaker 1: to wish me Happy Thanksgiving the following year. Well, it's
Speaker 1: like Fritzy. Fritzie will say happy Holidays to people like
Speaker 1: January twelfth. But sometimes there's leftovers with Dexsgiver. You don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a couple of months ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you freeze you know he could freeze some of the turkey. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. Oh that's right, Happy Thanksgiving and uh
Speaker 1: just like to close and saying Happy Thanksgiving. Oh, Daniel
Speaker 1: Snyder a gift that keeps on giving. Is he still
Speaker 1: on his yacht somewhere? I think unavailable? No phones. Adam
Speaker 1: Schefter reports head coaches and executives from Cleveland's three major
Speaker 1: professional sports teams, the Cabs, Browns, and Indians, are forming
Speaker 1: a sports alliance to develop a sustainable and direct strategy
Speaker 1: to address social injustice facing the city of Cleveland and
Speaker 1: all northeast Ohio. It's according to Adam Schefter. But we'll
Speaker 1: talk to Mike Florio about this situation with Washington coming on,
Speaker 1: we'll bring back some comments from Doc Rivers. I've known Doc.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess thirty thirty five years. I knew him
Speaker 1: when he played for the Hawks. That's how long I've
Speaker 1: known him. And he is a stand up guy. Nothing
Speaker 1: but great respect for him. And he spoke from the heart,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's sometimes we don't hear from the heart,
Speaker 1: like Paul George spoke from the heart about his depression.
Speaker 1: And then I saw where some players go, hey, don't
Speaker 1: admit that, Like you're showing a weakness by admitting you
Speaker 1: were depressed in the bubble, in a dark place. I'm thinking, no,
Speaker 1: I applaud you for doing that. And Doc ry like,
Speaker 1: we want to see you as people. I think it's
Speaker 1: important to see athletes as people because normally we don't.
Speaker 1: We're like, hey, go out there and entertain us, and
Speaker 1: then we don't care about anything else. Doc Rivers said, No,
Speaker 1: listen to me as a person here, as the son
Speaker 1: of a police officer. Listen to what I have to say,
Speaker 1: and I think it's one of the most important speeches
Speaker 1: I've heard in a long, long time. One hour in
Speaker 1: the books, two more to go, Seetan Pauli, Fritzie mclevenyears,
Speaker 1: Tuli Mike Floyer will join us on the Washington football
Speaker 1: team owner situation that's coming up.