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Speaker 1: We wear a lot of people wear their favorite basketball

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Speaker 1: I think Detroit probably wins the East, but they're still viable.

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Speaker 2: a normal life day lead, especially the coaches. The six

430
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: months you get to the combine, which by all accounts

431
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 2: is tamed down dramatically from where it was. I think,

432
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: free cell phones, it's nothing too crazy, but I mean

433
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: it's it's an event, unlike I mean, you have every

434
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 2: NFL head coach out to dinner, out to cocktails, out

435
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: with each other, every GM, every assistant GM. Think about

436
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: all the coordinators now that used to be head coaches

437
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 2: that are pretty famous. Walking around Indianapolis isn't exactly London.

438
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 2: I mean there's not that many places to go, so

439
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: safe to say that JW. Marriott is is ripping every night.

440
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: So I had to get out of their colum because

441
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't last more than forty eight hours.

442
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Speaker 1: Let's talk first, John Snyder. I saw you sat down

443
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: with him the Seattle GM. I think he's being now

444
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: fairly regarded as maybe the best drafting GM in the league.

445
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different skills. There's free agency, there's trading.

446
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: Howie Rosen's probably the most aggressive. I don't think you

447
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: can deny that John Snyder's the best draft GM. If

448
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: you look at his track record or really since Pete

449
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: left and he completely absolutely took over the entire draft.

450
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: But he's got some tough decisions to make. Kenneth Walker

451
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: is you know there's going to be a market for

452
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. Teams like Kansas City in the AFC need

453
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: a running back and it's a bad running back draft.

454
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Speaker 1: But give me your kind of sense of how John's

455
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: feeling and the kind of the crest he's kind of

456
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: riding now.

457
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his personality feels the same whether he

458
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl or whether you would see him

459
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: when they would get bounced in the first round. Yeah,

460
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 2: obviously he's pretty a lady. He'd come into this to

461
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: this combine. One thing he mentioned is he's because they

462
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: just went I mean they were playing two weeks ago.

463
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: He's behind on the draft. He's spent all of his

464
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: energy getting ready for free agency. They have a ton

465
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: of money. I personally would probably let Kenneth Walker walk. Yeah,

466
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: unless it's a relatively i mean two years, fifteen million

467
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: dollars or something. But when you start bidding for a

468
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 2: running back. They drafted him in the second round, but

469
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: up until the second half of this year, he's kind

470
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: of had an underwhelming career, and you bring in Flurry

471
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: from the Niners, who the Kubiak Shanahan system, you can

472
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: kind of find running backs. So my guess would be

473
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Speaker 2: they're definitely not franchise tagging him. Like whenever I see

474
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 2: the Jets are going to franchise tag Breise Hall, it's

475
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: like the Jets are going to franchise tag a running back.

476
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: Not even the Jets would do that. Come on, guys, right,

477
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: let's use some common sense here. So Seattle's riding high.

478
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: I got to meet Mike McDonald and talk to him.

479
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: He's really really impressive. I mean, they got they got

480
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: something pretty special going in Seattle because they have a

481
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: ton of caps base, they have a ton of young

482
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: players under contract that there. I would say they're confidence

483
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: in Sam the person. I mean, you've talked about this.

484
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: You know clearly the player, like most players not named

485
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: John Elway or Peyton Manning aren't going to be great

486
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of games. But I think they are

487
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: all in on the human being. And I think what

488
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: they learned down that's wretch that Thursday night game against

489
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: the Rams when he flipped it, and then up until

490
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. They're doing pretty confident in their quarterback.

491
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: What's also interesting now is because there's so many good

492
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 1: offensive coaches that you are seeing quarterbacks like Baker and

493
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: Donald have a second life if you can land your

494
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen.

495
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: I mean, Trevor.

496
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Lawrence made a big leap this year. And I think

497
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: you know, these guys off the Sean McVay tree, the

498
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan tree. You know, they go places and they

499
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: change the arc of quarterbacks careers. Sam Darnold bust to

500
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: star to Super Bowl champion. Baker Mayfield, you know, resurrected

501
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: his dip. Kyler Murray and two are different to it.

502
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: Can't stay healthy and is really limited physically. Kyler as

503
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: a story out this week, he hasn't talked to the GMS.

504
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: It's the end of the season, so he's not terribly verbal.

505
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: Their commission, commitment issues, their health issues. And even though

506
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: we're in a league now where you do get second

507
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: teams and second runs, you know Arizona, Well, does Kyler

508
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: have a market? I mean, there is such bad p R.

509
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: Someone told me this week that Kyler Murray in his

510
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: camp they want to go to Minnesota. Well, Aaron Rodgers

511
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: wanted to go to Minnesota too. Most quarterbacks do. I

512
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: can't imagine Kevin O'Connell wanting Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is

513
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: at the point if he truly wants to resurrect his career.

514
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 2: He's made a ton of money at this point, right

515
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: number one overall pick got this huge deal that is

516
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: now in Albatross. Makes him untradable if he gets cut,

517
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: which he's going to, why not surely you know the Ravens,

518
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: the chief one of those type teams would be like, hey,

519
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: we'll take you for the veteran minimum. If Andy Reid

520
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: calls or something, you would be crazy not to make

521
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: a decision to go there and potentially maybe rehab your

522
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: image because he does have a branding problem right now.

523
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: I would say throughout the league he's not viewed very

524
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: highly as a player on or off the field. Not

525
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: like bad like some of these guys to get in trouble,

526
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: but just yeah, we don't want to deal with that.

527
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: That's I would say the number one thing you hear

528
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: talking to these guys, Yeah, we got to deal with

529
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: this with our defensive lineman. You've talked about this forever.

530
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: When we white they do not want to deal with

531
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: the quarterback room. I mean the quarterback room. Better be

532
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: like your coaches, better be like your executives, just high

533
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: level professionals. I never even think about you. I have

534
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: to deal with immaturity in some other positions, not to

535
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: quarterback position. Imagine if you just go to Andy Reid

536
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: for a year. You know, Kevin Sam Darnold did this,

537
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones kind of did this when he got cut

538
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: by the Giants and just rehab his image and then

539
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: by the end of the year, maybe a play. Maybe

540
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: you don't. But you have an Andy Reid type guy,

541
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: and I'm just using him as example. You could see

542
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: Sean Payne, he could use whoever would be interested. That's

543
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: established and go, we love that guy. That was a

544
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: great experience being around him. Then that changes the arc

545
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: of the way the league thinks about you, because being

546
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: there that the league is one. It's like a high school.

547
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Everyone knows everybody, and everybody talks to everybody, and you

548
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: could probably play one degree of separation. You just put

549
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: Mike Silver in the middle. He he knows everything. They

550
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: all know each other and all the information on what

551
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: a guy is and isn't as a person you know,

552
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 2: one thing, one of my big takeaways is we can

553
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: get into draft. Why this pick makes it, Why this

554
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: free agency or you know, guy didn't work this. This

555
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: is a people business, and the teams that are good

556
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: have just really high level people right on the coaching staff.

557
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I hear some stories colin about position coaches

558
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: making millions of dollars that get titles stripped in the

559
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: middle of the season and throw a hissy fit and

560
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: won't go to meetings. It's not just the players. These

561
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: assistant coaches egos are enormous. Now You've got a lot

562
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: of personalities, and the best teams are just I hear

563
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: stories about Kellen Moore or Kooby You're like, I see

564
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: why these guys are having success. Just easy to deal with.

565
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: High level guys, get along, high eques, you know, and

566
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: clearly you know the league has kind of been defined

567
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: of you need a few crazies on your team, but

568
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: you better have a high character operation from a football

569
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: character standpoint, or you got no shot.

570
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson and Mike Vrabel turned it around in one year.

571
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: I saw that you ran into Ben Johnson. I mean,

572
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: he's got to be They have a really interesting situation

573
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: where they know exactly what they need. They need some

574
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: help in the linebacker corp. They're not fast enough and

575
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: they need a rush end. But I mean they've really

576
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: john They could literally use every draft pick on defense.

577
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: They don't have a whole offensively, maybe another tackle in

578
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: the building, but receiver, tight end, back, quarterback, interior, old line,

579
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: they're really good. I mean, was Ben walking on Cloud

580
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: nine in a pretty pretty good mood.

581
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: Well, I use you because sometimes you know, it's easy

582
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: if you know the guy to start a conversation. When

583
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: you don't, you got you gotta come with a little material.

584
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: So I had you in my back pocket. I dropped

585
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: your name early and he said that he'd seen you,

586
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: he thought at a restaurant. And I said, Ben, I

587
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: can't believe you didn't go talk to him. You guys

588
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: would have been breaking down offensive football. He started laughing,

589
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: and people are like, I'd never see Ben Johnson smile.

590
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I got that magic touch because I

591
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: used you, and uh left to link you up the Bears.

592
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: I talked to Ryot Poles. You know, they feel like

593
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: they got a pretty good those two guys. You know,

594
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: Ryan had some bumps early.

595
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: He did in personnel moviell thing didn't work, But receivers

596
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: are a hard acquisition. It's just a tough position. Then

597
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: he redeemed himself with a DJ More deal.

598
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: And as a GM, you look way better with a

599
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 2: good coach, I mean, you just do. So now you

600
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: get a guy who I mean, I think one thing

601
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: you beat at this Combine the the status of Ben

602
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Johnson and Mike mcdonn Ronald in a twelve month span,

603
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: Like if you would have been there last year to

604
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: where they are this year, it just couldn't be any higher.

605
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: The way they're thought of in terms of coaching on

606
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: the field is extremely high. And I would expect DJ

607
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Moore is going to be a name that we're going

608
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: to see over the next week potent because they're going

609
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: to have to move an offensive piece. They don't have

610
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: many draft picks, you know, to kind of retool this thing.

611
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: And that they're letting one of their linebackers I saw

612
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: seek a trade. The other thing is that division. You know,

613
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: I make fun of the Vikings because of their quarterback situation,

614
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: as most people do. We talk about the Lions taking

615
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: a big step back. Both those teams went nine to eight.

616
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean both those teams, the Vikings and the Lions

617
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: are pretty well established culture with really good players. Their

618
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: floor is extremely high. And if the Packers just can

619
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: keep some guys healthy, clearly they're one of the best

620
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: teams in the league. So that division from the Bear

621
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: standpoint is really really difficult. And the Bears, who have

622
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: been atrocious, now we're going to get a first play schedule.

623
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: It is going to be more challenging and they're gonna

624
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: sneak up on nobody, which when you see Ben, he's

625
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: wired for that. Like, I don't think he's He's not

626
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: resting on his laurels. He is. You could just tell

627
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: a lot by the way guys carry themselves, you know,

628
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: the Hardball brothers or very Bowl like they're so comfortable

629
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: in their own skin. But some of these new guys,

630
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: the new found fame, like might when Ben Johnson walks

631
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 2: in somewhere, he's really famous now, and to me, he

632
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: just carries himself like he looks exact same as he

633
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: carried himself a year ago. And I would say the

634
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: same thing with Mike McDonald. Their personality like this, the

635
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: no ego. I was talking to him last night and

636
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: just going this guy won a Super Bowl like three

637
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and you would you would never know if

638
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: you brought some guy off the street. They didn't know football.

639
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: You just met this guy, you would have no clue

640
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: that this guy is the Super Bowl champion and the

641
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: toast of the town right now in the NFL. So

642
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: I would feel pretty confident if I'm the Bears. But

643
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: they do like there are a lot of because the

644
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: cap is so big right now. Yeah, there are so

645
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Speaker 2: many options with trades. And I talked to Howie about

646
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: this when I first started working for Howie in twenty ten.

647
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Speaker 2: He was on the forefront of the NFL forever. Wasn't

648
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Speaker 2: that trade heavy? Oh?

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Speaker 1: God, No, Before the Jimmy Johnson trade, the herschel Walker

650
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: teams didn't trade.

651
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the historic trades stand out so much like the

652
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Speaker 2: eighties and nineties because they didn't happen that much. Howie

653
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: was ready to trade like an NBA Major League Baseball GM,

654
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: but the rest of the league wasn't. And then now

655
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: you fast forward fifteen plus years in the mid twenty twenties,

656
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: all these gms or the majority of them are kind

657
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: of like him. They're ready to trade. So people are

658
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: willing to Hey, you want this guy, you want to

659
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: trade draft picks, you want to do this. So there

660
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: is just a lot of action, which I think stalls

661
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: some deals because it gets so expensive. It's like a house.

662
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Speaker 2: If you only have one guy bitten on the house,

663
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Speaker 2: you know you probably can dictate the terms a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You got seven people waiting out on the front of

665
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Speaker 2: the street to buy the house, that that price is

666
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: gonna skyrocket, And I think that happens with some of

667
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: these deals. I've been saying this about Max Crosby, Like, uh,

668
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: Breer told me, He's like, I don't think they're gonna

669
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: get two ones. I'm like, well, he's under contract, and

670
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: there would be minimum five high level playoff teams who

671
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: would be bidding on them. So yeah, in theory, you'd

672
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: be like a one to a two. Well, if five

673
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: teams are bidding against each other, Like the reason the

674
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: McCaffrey went for a two to three and a four

675
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Speaker 2: is because the Rams also wanted them, so the Niners

676
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Speaker 2: had to put it in a little bit more just the

677
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Speaker 2: way it works. So that's where I think that historically

678
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Speaker 2: twenty years ago, Yeah, Max Crosby probably just goes for

679
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: a one. Yeah, but Now you have all these gms

680
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: so good teams that are lined up to wheel and

681
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Speaker 2: deal and that's cool. Like you're there. This is a

682
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Speaker 2: wheeler and a dealer league. This is a This is

683
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Speaker 2: a league where you know these the John Schneider types

684
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Speaker 2: that you gotta be great at identifying personnel. You gotta

685
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: be dynamic wheeling the deal. You gotta be willing to

686
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: make moves. It is much more I would say complicated.

687
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Speaker 2: Now you got all the money, you gotta be lean

688
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