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Speaker 2: High Top Chuck no Field, West Shuler, and Matt Williamson.
Speaker 2: We're going to be joined in about twenty minutes by
Speaker 2: our buddy Chris Halleck of DK Pittsburgh Sports. We'll get
Speaker 2: back into some practice conversation, but Matt, how about a
Speaker 2: little fantasy football focus sounds good to get us rolling
Speaker 2: in the four o'clock hour. This was put together by
Speaker 2: Matt is it okata. Is that how he pronounced.
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with it. He might be a new guy.
Speaker 2: NFL dot Com Fantasy Football content. Ten players that are
Speaker 2: being overvalued at this point. Ten players that are being
Speaker 2: undervalued at this point. Okay, from a fantasy football perspective,
Speaker 2: we'll start with the overvalued number one, Jeremiah Love.
Speaker 3: Oh I think so too, I mean.
Speaker 2: And I can I'm sure you can imagine what the
Speaker 2: logic is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean so if I'm the Cardinals, First
Speaker 3: of all, I would not have taken Love in my rebuilder.
Speaker 3: That's the last piece of the puzzle. But I would
Speaker 3: hope that they're smart with him and realize, let's not
Speaker 3: beat this guy into the ground. That's a premium asset
Speaker 3: to win three games or win four games, you know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that his usage is going to
Speaker 3: be nearly as dream is say Genties was last year,
Speaker 3: which they probably shouldn't have done that to genty either.
Speaker 3: At the moment, they still have James Connor, which I
Speaker 3: think he's a very viable trade candidate maybe Green Bay
Speaker 3: if Josh Jacobs ni'tt himself out of trouble. But they
Speaker 3: also signed Tyler Al's year in the offseason. Two, they
Speaker 3: still have Trey Benson, who was the second round pick
Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: The running back room is certainly not the problem.
Speaker 3: Right right, And I don't quite understand the pick for
Speaker 3: all those reasons you draft the lineman or something, but no,
Speaker 3: he's not for me. I love the player, but I
Speaker 3: don't love love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think it's there might be some
Speaker 2: some Ashton Genty let down stuff is out of his control,
Speaker 2: but I think it might not be the rookie season
Speaker 2: that people are expecting.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Number two is Garrett Wilson on the over valued conversation.
Speaker 3: Perhaps I'm just such a big fan of his game,
Speaker 3: so I'm not sure I agree with that. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of receivers going in that neighborhood, and you could
Speaker 3: nitpick the others in that neighborhood, Wattle perhaps somebody like that.
Speaker 3: You'd prefer now Wilson's numbers. I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 3: just a bet on Gino if you think Gino is
Speaker 3: gonna be okay. I have no problem with Wilson and
Speaker 3: unliking in Arizona. Gino probably plays all seventeen games, I mean,
Speaker 3: and they I guess they could throw one of the
Speaker 3: young guys in the mix, but none of them have
Speaker 3: like much pedigree. There's not someone on the on the
Speaker 3: bench that's going to totally derail the offense like when
Speaker 3: Cook was out there last year. So I'm not sure
Speaker 3: I buy that one. I just think Wilson's a really
Speaker 3: good player.
Speaker 2: I do too, I know, and I understand they've got
Speaker 2: some mouths the feed around him down too, but I
Speaker 2: that one not. Let's just say I don't like that
Speaker 2: as much as I like the Jeremiah Love listing and
Speaker 2: this next one Jalen hurts.
Speaker 3: Oh me too, because I think they're going to try
Speaker 3: to get away from Tush Push a little bit. I
Speaker 3: know this sounds nuts, but please don't forget how crazy
Speaker 3: NFL seasons go. He could get benched, he's absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a specially with that franchise.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, a brand new offense that's really stressing
Speaker 3: thrown to the middle of the field, which he does
Speaker 3: less than anybody in the league. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: Jay Brown's not in the mix. I mean, it could
Speaker 3: go wrong, and he's not a cheap pick. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's different if you I don't know you draft, you know,
Speaker 3: some of the twentieth quarterback in your fantasy league and
Speaker 3: he gets benched or hurt, so what. But if he's
Speaker 3: fifth off the board, I need you to be happy.
Speaker 2: Next up on the list is David Montgomery of the
Speaker 2: Houston Texans.
Speaker 3: Tough one, because I do think the offense is better,
Speaker 3: the old line is better. They've been the worst running
Speaker 3: team in the league for several years in a row, basically,
Speaker 3: but he's also to that age with that he could
Speaker 3: be a vastly declining bayer.
Speaker 2: That's basically his point, and that he thinks he's just
Speaker 2: going to get not that the player still isn't useful, right,
Speaker 2: but that he's going to get overvalued, overdrafted.
Speaker 3: I could see that, like I'm a little shock Houston.
Speaker 3: I know they drafted what he marks, but I was
Speaker 3: impressed with him. But I would have used like a
Speaker 3: fourth round pick gone some kind of running back to
Speaker 3: add to that that stable.
Speaker 2: Next up on this list part of me. It's five
Speaker 2: it's five overvalued, five under, so ten in total. So
Speaker 2: last on the overvalued list here is Dallas Goddard, the
Speaker 2: tight end for the Eagles, so two Eagles in the
Speaker 2: overvalued basically saying he had the best season of his
Speaker 2: career last year and that's always tough to to replicate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that now you know, they they bring Stowers into
Speaker 2: the mix, they bring Makay Lemon into the mix.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: AJ Brown is gone, but still you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of mouths to feed in that uh,
Speaker 2: in that Philly offense.
Speaker 3: See, I'm going to fight him on this one too.
Speaker 3: And and what he said isn't wrong either, But his
Speaker 3: splits when AJ Brown is not on the field are
Speaker 3: really really good. And I know it's a new offensive staff,
Speaker 3: but he's been in that organization a long time and
Speaker 3: they've been doing things a certain way a long time,
Speaker 3: and they get him the football, especially when Brown's not
Speaker 3: out there, they do want to throw the middle field more.
Speaker 3: He's up in eight, but I don't think he's a
Speaker 3: vastly declining player. And my biggest reason for fighting him
Speaker 3: is he's going outside the top twelve tight ends. And
Speaker 3: I mean, so you're getting him cheap. So the value part,
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, he's overvalued, but he's really cheap.
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on where you draft him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one. He is thirty one years old,
Speaker 2: so still in that tight end, you know, maybe on
Speaker 2: the down side of the prompt.
Speaker 3: But he's talked about retirement already. This could be his
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 2: That offense could look so different next year with a
Speaker 2: couple of retirements and a couple uhs, especially especially if
Speaker 2: Herts go sideways and then maybe got It retires, maybe
Speaker 2: Lane Johnson retires. Yeah, Lane Dickerson has had his issues, talked.
Speaker 3: About it too, with all those injuries. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, Wow, So there's the five over valued. Now let's
Speaker 2: talk about undervalued. We'll stick with the tight ends here.
Speaker 2: The first one on his list is Jake Ferguson of
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Okay, but also he's dirt cheap. I mean, he's a
Speaker 3: productive player. He's not for me, though, I mean in
Speaker 3: the tight end world, I swing for the fences and
Speaker 3: I want guys that to get down the field. And
Speaker 3: he's not historically a great average up of the target. Dude,
Speaker 3: he's not super fast. He's not a dynamic player. Like
Speaker 3: if he's a Steeler, you'd like him. You know, he's good.
Speaker 3: McCarthy got a lot of right, McCarthy got a lot
Speaker 3: out of him. In Dallas. It's just I'm swinging for
Speaker 3: a bigger fish than that.
Speaker 2: Number two is Parker Washington of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 3: Maybe really good season, about to get paid a lot
Speaker 3: more than people. It will shock you when the numbers
Speaker 3: come across really good after the catch physical. Some might
Speaker 3: remember him from Penn State, from this neck of the woods.
Speaker 3: The problem with the Jags is they basically told us
Speaker 3: we're going to play more multiple tight end sets by
Speaker 3: paying Strange and drafting Bokirker with their first overall, the
Speaker 3: first pick in the second round, so that that basically
Speaker 3: tells you we're gonna have less three receivers sets. Travis
Speaker 3: Hunter has already been said he's gonna be corner first,
Speaker 3: but I can't believe he's not gonna run some routes
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: But they got a lot. I mean, they've got some
Speaker 2: question marks in that wide receiver room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the corner rooms this weaker because it's Washington, it's
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior, and it's Myers, Jacobe Myers, right, So
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like if there's only to
Speaker 3: be two out there and there's three or four fighting
Speaker 3: for those spots, do we know Washington's won the top two.
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas maybe could get traded, but I'm I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hope for that, yeah right, Or you know,
Speaker 3: put a lot of stock in.
Speaker 2: That Number three for undervalued fantasy football draft picks ahead
Speaker 2: of this twenty twenty six draft season is Malik Neighbors
Speaker 2: of the New York Giants.
Speaker 3: This is cheating though, because the injury stuff. If you
Speaker 3: look at his ADP or you know, all these best
Speaker 3: ball drafts that have happened, he went quite late because
Speaker 3: all the news was he's a mess, and I guess
Speaker 3: there was alse reporting. Was what I heard yesterday that
Speaker 3: there was a quote cleanup procedure that was much late, late,
Speaker 3: much after the original surgery, and it just came out
Speaker 3: the other day. Neighbors is like that never happened, And
Speaker 3: I guess he's running around a camp now. So his
Speaker 3: ADP's skyrocketing back up because we got a lot of
Speaker 3: misinformation or whatever. So he still scares me though, because
Speaker 3: it's still a monster injury.
Speaker 2: It's a monster injury. But if he's healthy, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's he's got a lot of targets. He's gonna get
Speaker 2: a lot of targets, and he's on the short list
Speaker 2: of one of those better wide receivers.
Speaker 3: I think he's a phenomenal Talleague.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, unbelievable. Number four on the Undervalued conversation Ramandre Stevenson,
Speaker 2: running back of the New England.
Speaker 3: Patriots, that I definitely agree with. He's perennially underrated. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's not real flashy. He does fumble a little bit,
Speaker 3: but he does all the grinding. He's a lot more
Speaker 3: talented than you think. He has a little bit of
Speaker 3: home run potential. He's got a little bit of receiver potential.
Speaker 3: And the thing is everyone's enamored with Trevion Henderson, which
Speaker 3: I get, but and I know you can't. I hate
Speaker 3: doing this. You know, people are like, if you take
Speaker 3: away all his best plays, he wasn't very good. Well,
Speaker 3: the best plays happened, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 3: he has some incredible long runs and he has long speed.
Speaker 3: But he came in the league being billed as, oh,
Speaker 3: he's a fantastic protection player. He's great in protection. Ohio State.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in the NFL, you know, I mean, I
Speaker 3: thought he would be was at Ohio State, but he
Speaker 3: was not trustworthy on third downs and blitz pick up.
Speaker 3: He missed a lot of holes. He's just a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, Henderson's very boom or bust, and the coaches
Speaker 3: don't love that, you know. So therefore, I think Stevenson's
Speaker 3: the guy to own in that backfield, especially a cost.
Speaker 2: That's if you hey, it says average draft position is
Speaker 2: round ten. Yeah, running back thirty one. If he's the
Speaker 2: thirty first running package your board, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3: He's your flex or your backup or you know. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying you gotta start him every week, but you
Speaker 3: might be happy and plus say it's true if he
Speaker 3: gets hurt, but if one of the two backs gets hurt,
Speaker 3: then they're every week starters for sure.
Speaker 2: Correct correct. Last one from our own division. It's wide
Speaker 2: receivers A Flowers of the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3: He has one glaring problem is he's barely caught any
Speaker 3: touchdowns his whole career. Now we have a new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: I don't think Lamar just won't throw them the ball
Speaker 3: in the end zone. That's usually Andrews, but Flowers should
Speaker 3: have a very high percentage of targets going his way.
Speaker 3: The other wideouts on that team aren't particularly good. He's gone,
Speaker 3: Andrew's up in age. I mean, he may get twelve
Speaker 3: targets a game. He's a score an, he's smaller. You know,
Speaker 3: he's not gonna you know, skyrocket over guys on jump balls.
Speaker 2: And sure, sure he was targeted in the red zone
Speaker 2: last year on just forty three percent of the Ravens
Speaker 2: red zone passes. Expecting that number to go up. It
Speaker 2: needs to, and it certainly certainly needs to with new
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator Declan Doyle says the Flowers is a high
Speaker 2: end wide receiver number two and is being wildly undervalued
Speaker 2: average draft position so far in the fourth round and
Speaker 2: the seventeenth wide receiver overall. So there's a little fantasy
Speaker 2: football focus, Matt Little, Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll touch on that nearly every day. We'll continue to.
Speaker 2: Go through lists like that and conversations like that. Matt
Speaker 2: at some point in the next couple weeks will have
Speaker 2: his top ten for position or even more than sometimes
Speaker 2: kind of your yeah, top twenty, top you know, big
Speaker 2: board for all the fantasy football different positions. Matt and
Speaker 2: I will certainly get to that at some point. YEA,
Speaker 2: when we come back here, though, we are going to
Speaker 2: get back into some practice conversation. Chris Hallick is going
Speaker 2: to join us, one of our regulars throughout the season.
Speaker 2: We'll get back with Chris and get some of his
Speaker 2: thoughts on everything that he saw today and everything that
Speaker 2: he has seen through these first four acclamation period practices
Speaker 2: before campus goes quiet for a day tomorrow on Sunday,
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Speaker 2: Back at Chucknolfield here on the campus of Saint Vincent College,
Speaker 2: a Saturday evening, rolling along here, a little couple ominous clouds,
Speaker 2: but nothing too serious as we put a boat on
Speaker 2: the day's proceedings and four acclamation practices in the books.
Speaker 2: Joining us now. He's one of our regulars. Good friend
Speaker 2: of the show. Chris Hallick of dk Pittsburgh Sports Chris,
Speaker 2: what's up, dude? Back at camp and another year where
Speaker 2: a lot feels and looks the same, but it's been
Speaker 2: rather different out there on the field through these first
Speaker 2: four days.
Speaker 4: I'd say the setting is about all that's familiar.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 4: It's been a lot of changes, a lot of differences.
Speaker 4: Everything feels a lot more fast paced. The attention to
Speaker 4: detail has been the theme from talking with the players.
Speaker 4: Had a chance to talk with a few other players
Speaker 4: after practice just today. And while Mike McCarthy's been the
Speaker 4: only coach to really talk publicly about it, Patrick Graham
Speaker 4: he's doing his work on the defensive side as well.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, a.
Speaker 4: Lot of changes, not that one's better than the other,
Speaker 4: but it's a very, very different camp, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: So a different quarterback here from last year they drafted
Speaker 3: out of Penn State, Drew Aller. We were talking before
Speaker 3: we hit record here that you know, some of the
Speaker 3: things you saw at Penn State good and bad, and
Speaker 3: it's different seeing him live. But give me your thoughts
Speaker 3: on this guy.
Speaker 4: So he did the two minute drill today for the
Speaker 4: first time, and it was very drollery.
Speaker 3: Like, which is good and bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were.
Speaker 4: A couple of a couple of misses that you just
Speaker 4: kind of kind of leaves you scratch on your head.
Speaker 4: But then there was one throw on fourth and ten
Speaker 4: down the sideline back shoulder to a T Perry. I mean,
Speaker 4: my gosh, it was It was a dot, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of what you expect out of Drealer.
Speaker 4: For those who watched him at Penn State there there
Speaker 4: were some insane throws that he made while he was
Speaker 4: with the Nidney Allons, And so I honestly think if overall,
Speaker 4: not just the two minute drill, but overall, I've actually
Speaker 4: thought he's been way more consistent throughout his work than
Speaker 4: I expected him to be. I think his footwork has
Speaker 4: been very very much improved from the first time.
Speaker 3: We saw him a rookie clearly, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's really really been working on it. I feel
Speaker 4: like he is in rhythm a lot more. Granted it
Speaker 4: helps a lot when the receivers are open and on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it so.
Speaker 4: He had one throw over the middle in a tight
Speaker 4: window today and ended up being dropped, but it was
Speaker 4: right where it needed to be. I actually have been
Speaker 4: pretty impressed with Drew so far. Is he showing that like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you gotta make him a starter now? No,
Speaker 4: but he's he still looked pretty good at that.
Speaker 3: I think there's clearly something to work with there.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And he just makes throwing the football look so effortless.
Speaker 4: And I think that's just such a.
Speaker 3: Will Howard. But it's night and day it is to me.
Speaker 4: It is when when Will is able to just drop back,
Speaker 4: get on platform and throw, he can. He can make
Speaker 4: a lot of NFL throws, he really can. But when
Speaker 4: it comes to anything where you're gonna have to move
Speaker 4: within the pocket.
Speaker 3: Be a little off balance or out of structure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they were working on a drill today where
Speaker 4: all they're doing is they're taking the snap play action
Speaker 4: and then they get to that back foot and then
Speaker 4: they have a coach come in where you have to ye,
Speaker 4: there's a huge That's where you really see the difference
Speaker 4: between Will Howard and Drew Aller because Howard's got to
Speaker 4: set like move out of the way, like reset to
Speaker 4: set the feet again and then throw.
Speaker 3: It feels like it's a whole one to one thousand.
Speaker 3: It isn't, but it just feels like forever as opposed
Speaker 3: to know. Yeah, and then you see Rogers doing it
Speaker 3: like whoa well.
Speaker 4: And see that's the thing is that Drew looks more
Speaker 4: like Aaron in that drill than anything else. And I
Speaker 4: think that's where you really see the arm talent pop
Speaker 4: because we all know Aaron's got one of the best
Speaker 4: arms of all time and it's still super.
Speaker 3: Platforms and all those things like you talked about, right,
Speaker 3: and Drew is.
Speaker 4: Able to able to do that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 4: I've actually been really impressed with Drew so far. Again,
Speaker 4: not to the point where you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: do you make him a starter right now? But I
Speaker 4: think he's been pretty impressive thus far.
Speaker 2: You know, it is funny, we understandably, so we've spent
Speaker 2: so much time talking about Will Howard and Drew Aller
Speaker 2: that it feels like we've barely had any Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: conversation these first four days, anything that you've been able
Speaker 2: to observe him his former head coach.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: It seems like I shouldn't say every time, because that
Speaker 2: would be I'd be exaggerating, But it seems like a
Speaker 2: lot of the times when you'd look up and be like,
Speaker 2: where's Aaron. Oh, he's right there with Mike McCarthy, and
Speaker 2: then you know, twenty minutes later, wait, where's Aaron. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's over there with Mike McCarthy. Just seems like they've
Speaker 2: been and again, I don't want to say attached at
Speaker 2: the hip, because that would be that'd be over exaggerating,
Speaker 2: but it seems like they've had real like moments of
Speaker 2: communication all throughout practice these four days.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I kind of expected that to happen. I know
Speaker 4: a lot was written and said about the way things
Speaker 4: ended in Green Bay. That was also eight years ago.
Speaker 4: A lot of time has passed since then. Regardless of
Speaker 4: what happened what didn't happen. I'm sure anything that's been
Speaker 4: documented about that isn't the entire truth. But what we
Speaker 4: can see what we're actually witnessing right here every day
Speaker 4: at Saint Vincent Collegees. The two are obviously on the
Speaker 4: same page. They're constantly communicating. There are sometimes even that
Speaker 4: drill I was just talking about a couple of minutes ago,
Speaker 4: Aaron wasn't even participating in that. He's just standing there
Speaker 4: with Mike McCarthy the entire time, you know, chatting about it,
Speaker 4: while Mason Rudolph and Will Howard and Drew Aller are
Speaker 4: going through those drills. So yeah, they are, They're attached
Speaker 4: to the hip when Aaron's not, you know, participating in drills.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I expect to happen. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: is very very much an offensive coach, a quarterback driven
Speaker 4: offensive coach, so I expect him to be working with
Speaker 4: the starter, and I would expect the same thing to
Speaker 4: happen even in future training camps whenever Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 4: done playing football. That's just also I think how Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy wants to operate, how he wants to work, how
Speaker 4: he wants to coach. But it doesn't surprise me at
Speaker 4: all obviously given their history together too.
Speaker 3: So as you and our listeners know, there's three cornerbacks
Speaker 3: right now on the pup list and aren't participate participating
Speaker 3: in practice. But sure looks like to me that the
Speaker 3: Sante Samuel Junior and Dylan Everett, the draft pick, are
Speaker 3: taking advantage of the situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a Sante Samuel Junior for sure has really really
Speaker 4: stood out. Now. Granted, I want to, you know, put
Speaker 4: the the the the disclaimer out there that hey, listen,
Speaker 4: they haven't even put the pads on yet, it's the
Speaker 4: acclamation period. But he's got several PBUs already, I mean,
Speaker 4: including one in the two minag drill today against DK Metcalf.
Speaker 4: He has broken up passes, He's been right where he
Speaker 4: needs to be. He's playing with a swagger we didn't
Speaker 4: even see last year, and maybe that's just because you know.
Speaker 3: He was feeling better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was coming off the back issue, and you
Speaker 4: know he was signed to the practice squad. Then he's
Speaker 4: getting on a moving train, as Mike Tomlin like to
Speaker 4: put it, and you know, then it's okay, get on
Speaker 4: the field, and there's not really a lot of time
Speaker 4: to play with the swagger even though like he didn't
Speaker 4: have I think at least one interception last year. But
Speaker 4: he is playing with almost like playing with his hair
Speaker 4: on fire out there right now, as much as you
Speaker 4: can in this setting, Daleen Everett, He's you know, been
Speaker 4: on the wrong end of a couple of throws in camp.
Speaker 4: One was in the two min drill against Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: and DK metcalf, metcalf making a heck of a catch.
Speaker 4: The other one was that throw by Drew Galeros talking
Speaker 4: about at Perry down the sideline, Daleen Everett was on
Speaker 4: the wrong end of that. That being said, I have
Speaker 4: had coaches tell me that they are very, very impressed
Speaker 4: with him. Mike McCarthy got behind the podium I believe
Speaker 4: it was yesterday and said, he does not look like
Speaker 4: a rookie so.
Speaker 3: A lot of times a fluid, explosive mover.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you can really see the athleticism. I think
Speaker 4: the I think the part with Dalen Everett is is
Speaker 4: really going to be. This really is more of a
Speaker 4: developmental year for him. I mean just when you look,
Speaker 4: when you look at what.
Speaker 3: They have on the roster, I think he's almost like
Speaker 3: Drew Aller, right yeah, like we don't want to play
Speaker 3: him at all, but right right.
Speaker 4: Now, if he ends up getting on the field then
Speaker 4: you know, great that that that might be like a
Speaker 4: Mason McCormick situation where we weren't planning on him getting
Speaker 4: on the field, but if he gets on the field,
Speaker 4: then maybe he'll he'll you know, swim pretty pretty good
Speaker 4: instead of sink. Yeah, but yeah, I think exactly this
Speaker 4: could be a developmental year for him. Joey Porter Jr.
Speaker 4: Hasn't gotten on the field that he's one of the
Speaker 4: ones on the pup list so and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of guys ahead of him, including a Sante Samuel Jr.
Speaker 4: But they they the depth that cornerback looks really good
Speaker 4: so far.
Speaker 2: Chris Hallick with us here on the Drive on the
Speaker 2: campus of Saint Vincent College here on Steelers Nation Radio
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. All right, you mentioned his
Speaker 2: name there, so I got to ask, staying in the
Speaker 2: cornerback room, any movement around the long term future of
Speaker 2: Joey Porter Junior, and how do you think that all
Speaker 2: plays out?
Speaker 4: Not that I've heard thus far. When it comes to
Speaker 4: the specifics of the negotiations. What I do know is
Speaker 4: that both sides want to get something done. Joey wants
Speaker 4: to be with the Steelers and Steelers want to want
Speaker 4: to keep him. It doesn't have to get done this
Speaker 4: I think both sides would prefer it get done this summer.
Speaker 4: But there is that thing called the franchise tag next
Speaker 4: spring that they could always use. Yes, that's going to
Speaker 4: be expensive, but you know, you do what you do
Speaker 4: to keep your players, and Omar kN has talked about
Speaker 4: wanting to keep as many players from that draft class
Speaker 4: as possible. That's turned out to be a really good
Speaker 4: draft class. They've already extended Nick Herbig and Darnell Washington.
Speaker 4: You could make cases for Keanu Benton and Spencer Anderson,
Speaker 4: who are both in starting roles on the team. Joey,
Speaker 4: he's turned into one of the better cornerbacks in the game,
Speaker 4: I think right now. As it typically is with contract negotiations,
Speaker 4: guaranteed money's probably the biggest sticking point, and usually these
Speaker 4: second year contracts are the hardest ones to negotiate. You know,
Speaker 4: you look to last summer, it's like, well, they got
Speaker 4: something done with TJ. Watt, you know, but TJ had
Speaker 4: already had like this career where he had already accomplished
Speaker 4: so much. You kind of know where where the money's
Speaker 4: gonna be. But remember the first time that they were negotiating,
Speaker 4: it was a second year contract that took until the
Speaker 4: week yep, the week of the opening game that season.
Speaker 4: So these first or these second contracts are usually the
Speaker 4: hardest to negotiate. I would expect it to possibly get done.
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna get it done before the season.
Speaker 4: Do I think it gets done before they wrap up
Speaker 4: camp here? I'm not exactly sure about that.
Speaker 3: I also think the players and agents are a little
Speaker 3: less lenient on the first negotiation. It's easier when Wat's
Speaker 3: got millions in the bank and you know, you're looking
Speaker 3: at it like this is my one time to pay off.
Speaker 3: Maybe who knows, But I want to switch gears with you.
Speaker 3: You and I were chatting the other night. I thought
Speaker 3: you had a really astute observation that hadn'tdawned on me
Speaker 3: until you said it. But of all the position rooms
Speaker 3: on this team, there's only one that had zero change,
Speaker 3: and that's the inside linebacker room. Now, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's Ham and Lamberton there that they're so happy that
Speaker 3: they're not going to change, but it implied to me,
Speaker 3: including the coach Scott mccar and I know he's got
Speaker 3: an extensive history with Mike McCarthy, and maybe he'd have
Speaker 3: been back no matter what. But it's the exact same
Speaker 3: group of players. Makes implies to me that they didn't
Speaker 3: think those guys were the problem, or they would have
Speaker 3: done something about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when you make Omar has shown time
Speaker 4: and time again that you know he's if something needs
Speaker 4: to get change, he's gonna make changes.
Speaker 3: No, he's not bashful.
Speaker 4: One of the one of the things I think, one
Speaker 4: of the things that really stands out to me about
Speaker 4: that is possibly not being happy with the level of
Speaker 4: cornerback play that's happened. They go into free agency and
Speaker 4: they get Jamal Deane top of the market.
Speaker 3: Double down the third round, which I didn't see coming right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they really really wanted to address cornerback. They
Speaker 4: brought back to Sante Samuel Jr. So when you look
Speaker 4: at the inside linebacker room, and yeah, they keep two
Speaker 4: of the coaches from Mike Tomlin staff, Tom Marth the
Speaker 4: quarterbacks coach, and you know Mike gott Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: they keep Scott McCurley. But then you know, one of
Speaker 4: the first things they did in free agency was bring back.
Speaker 3: Cole hulkm Yeah, and I thought Harrison might get cut.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Harrison is still here and he's still
Speaker 4: I mean, you still got to get the roster from
Speaker 4: ninety down to fifty three.
Speaker 3: By the by true, I thought he'd be a cap
Speaker 3: casualty months ago, to be honest with you, right, And
Speaker 3: they must like him exactly.
Speaker 4: They He's still here. The room is still the same.
Speaker 3: For now Bruin or Queen Wilson, you know, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I do think that they they believe the talent
Speaker 4: is there. I think they believe that what Patrick Graham
Speaker 4: can do with this defense might free those guys up
Speaker 4: a little bit more to be able to play free
Speaker 4: play with more confidence.
Speaker 3: Use the term play faster too, play.
Speaker 4: Faster what you know. I think one of the biggest
Speaker 4: things that I heard was, you know, the linebackers were
Speaker 4: not just responsible for their own responsibilities, but making sure
Speaker 4: other guys were where they needed to be. And it's
Speaker 4: hard a.
Speaker 3: Lot on your plate. So kill's going in motion and
Speaker 3: you're trying to do two people's jobs at the same time, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, that's that's hard to do. So I'm
Speaker 4: curious to see what Patrick Graham is going to do
Speaker 4: to feature those guys or least get those guys to
Speaker 4: play free. But yeah, I think it says a lot
Speaker 4: that of all the things that changed this offseason, and
Speaker 4: there was a lot of change, that that room didn't
Speaker 4: change at all.
Speaker 3: Lastly, on the linebacker point, we didn't really talk run game,
Speaker 3: but I like Keanu Benton. I'd consider extending him, But
Speaker 3: I don't think he did them a lot of favors
Speaker 3: in the run game ahead of them in terms of
Speaker 3: keeping blockers off them either.
Speaker 4: No, but that I think that's also like what was
Speaker 4: being asked of the defensive front. Yeah, where were.
Speaker 3: They a role change for him could be great, right?
Speaker 4: Were they trying to what was he just miscast and
Speaker 4: where he was playing or was it just hey, we
Speaker 4: want you to try to be a space eater when
Speaker 4: he's not a space eater, you know, or do we
Speaker 4: want him to play? I think it's it's hard to
Speaker 4: It's hard to gauge. That's why I'm kind of really
Speaker 4: just really curious. I'm really excited for that first preseason
Speaker 4: game to see what.
Speaker 3: This looks like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that defensive front does have to do its
Speaker 4: job so that there are not players in the linebackers laps.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of that hard to play linebacker
Speaker 4: whenever you got guys in your lap.
Speaker 2: What are your this is a pretty wide open question.
Speaker 2: What are your expectations for TJ Watt in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 4: Man, I don't want to ever put a ceiling on
Speaker 4: a player like TJ Watt that's accomplished so much in
Speaker 4: the league. I mean, up until last year, you know,
Speaker 4: he you know, was tied with Michael Strahan for the
Speaker 4: sack record in the NFL. When you know you're sure,
Speaker 4: you can just try to go by like, hey, well
Speaker 4: he's you know, on the wrong side of thirty now,
Speaker 4: and he's not quite as fast or quick as he
Speaker 4: used to be. But you know TJ last year, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's really be honest about TJ. Last year. Was he bad? No,
Speaker 4: it was not a bad play.
Speaker 2: He just wasn't Defensive Player of the Year TJ.
Speaker 4: Right, And of all the things that TJ still did
Speaker 4: very well, I would even say at an elite level
Speaker 4: last year. He's still an elite run defender and he's
Speaker 4: still very ball aware. Those are two things that you
Speaker 4: always want to have on your defense, especially when you're
Speaker 4: talking about your defensive front. And I think when you
Speaker 4: get a little bit more imagined.
Speaker 3: I think that is batting down passes. He's just always
Speaker 3: what plan is right right, right right. Clearly offensive coordinators
Speaker 3: are very aware of him still, and.
Speaker 4: I understand I understand, like there are sites like p
Speaker 4: f F that don't like to, you know, credit players
Speaker 4: for the guys who get the fumble recoveries. They prefer
Speaker 4: to credit the guys who get the forced fumble. But
Speaker 4: there's I think at a certain point there, you know,
Speaker 4: the player gets credit if he's always where the ball is.
Speaker 4: You know that, and that that is who TJ is.
Speaker 4: He's always where the ball is. And you know, I
Speaker 4: think TJ could definitely benefit from a little bit more
Speaker 4: imagination up front.
Speaker 3: An interception today drop.
Speaker 4: Dropped in the coverage, picked off Aaron Rodgers. Uh yeah,
Speaker 4: I think he could really benefit from a little bit
Speaker 4: more uh imagination disguises. Uh some you know situations where
Speaker 4: it's a simulated pressure where it looks like you're bringing
Speaker 4: the house and one of the guys that drops back
Speaker 4: in the coverage is TJ. You know, and and you
Speaker 4: know we've seen what he can do. I remember the
Speaker 4: interception he had against the rams, you know, confusing Matthew
Speaker 4: Stafford of all people, you know, he can do a
Speaker 4: lot more than just rush the passers. So I think
Speaker 4: he could still have a very TJ like year. Would
Speaker 4: I just go out and say, oh, well go and
Speaker 4: you know, place your bets that he's gonna win defensive
Speaker 4: the year. I'm not gonna say that, but I don't
Speaker 4: want to ever put a ceiling on TJ.
Speaker 3: I was just about to let you go, but a
Speaker 3: lot of people are like, well, they got to move
Speaker 3: him around more. And the more I thought through it,
Speaker 3: it's not like, well, it'll just take high Smith and
Speaker 3: put him on the left and TJ on the right.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that gained you. But like what
Speaker 3: you mentioned, maybe overload blitzes from his side, simulated pressures,
Speaker 3: maybe have him win to the inside shoulder of tackles
Speaker 3: more and stunts and loops and drops, and he kind
Speaker 3: of knew what his game plan was the whole time.
Speaker 3: I don't care where he aligns as much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean one thing that you can I'm
Speaker 4: not going to sit here and play, you know, defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: That's that's far from I'm not qualified to do that.
Speaker 4: But if you do something did something as simple as
Speaker 4: you know, you have TJ on one side and you
Speaker 4: overloaded the other side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, makes it a lot harder to chip them, and.
Speaker 4: Because then you're forcing the offense to be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're either going to continue to shift our protection over
Speaker 4: to the cyde where TJ is, but then we make
Speaker 4: ourselves vulnerable, vulnerable to where the pressure might be coming from.
Speaker 3: So you were then maybe Herbig and Highsmith both the
Speaker 3: lined on the outside show, you know once in a while.
Speaker 4: And there was there was one fright, there was one
Speaker 4: time in practice yesterday I did see both Herbig and
Speaker 4: Highsmith over on the same side together. So there. I
Speaker 4: do think you are going to see more of this
Speaker 4: mixing and matching. I'm not gonna say like dick Lebou
Speaker 4: like stuff, but it could be kind of dick lebow like.
Speaker 4: Remember Patrick Graham has learned under some of the more
Speaker 4: exotic type coaches Steevez, Bagnolo, if.
Speaker 3: You could just one on ones, yeah, just scheme help
Speaker 3: them with scheme. I don't even have to isolate him
Speaker 3: on a back I kill it back, But I mean,
Speaker 3: if you can scheme him into one on ones theroduction
Speaker 3: is gonna come.
Speaker 4: I think so too. Yeah, I really think he and
Speaker 4: a lot of players on this defense will benefit from
Speaker 4: more innovation, more moving around, a lot less static stuff
Speaker 4: that we were seeing over recent.
Speaker 2: Years before we let you go. I know, that's like
Speaker 2: the third time we've said that now. Maybe four Steelers
Speaker 2: Hall of Honor class announced this morning, and obviously Kevin
Speaker 2: Colbert and J. T. Thomas two immensely deserving candidates. But
Speaker 2: I know, like Matt and I, I'm sure you were
Speaker 2: happy to see Wolf get in there. Chris, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what you do around this team, if you cover
Speaker 2: the team like we do, if you're in any type
Speaker 2: of media capacity, if you're a player, if you're a coach,
Speaker 2: if you're a staff member, even if you're just a
Speaker 2: Steelers fan who comes out here, Craig Wolfly has an
Speaker 2: impact on every single one of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wolf, every single time we had in the interaction, man,
Speaker 4: it was just he was He was one of the
Speaker 4: nicest people I've ever known, Like really, he just whether
Speaker 4: it was here at training camp or just on any
Speaker 4: you know, given sunday, you know, at Akracher Stadium, just
Speaker 4: every interaction he always had a smile on his face.
Speaker 4: He was always a fun person to talk to, always
Speaker 4: somebody that you felt like if you were talking to
Speaker 4: him for too long, because you feel like you'd be
Speaker 4: stealing him from other people.
Speaker 2: Ye had time for everybody, he really did.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: You know, I know everybody misses him a ton. I know,
Speaker 4: you know, being here and not having him here, you know,
Speaker 4: really sucks. But to see him get that honor today
Speaker 4: was really cool. And uh yeah, yeah, definitely miss him
Speaker 4: a ton.
Speaker 2: We were joking him and tounch A're gonna be having
Speaker 2: some cigars up there in Heaven tonight to celebrate Chris Alex.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for the time as always, Dud, Thanks guys, appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Back at Chuckdoldfield. Here at the conclusion of practice number
Speaker 2: four of this training camp period for your Pittsburgh Steelers
Speaker 2: and Matt we have massive breaking news. Oh, the return
Speaker 2: of the green line painting on the field.
Speaker 3: Baby, it's getting a little workout. Well, I don't know
Speaker 3: where it went now, I think it's down.
Speaker 2: It's right down here to our right. Yeah, behind the
Speaker 2: weather protecting stuff there.
Speaker 3: It feels like a player after practice that's doing the
Speaker 3: extra work because they didn't have a good practice.
Speaker 2: Just gonna say, it's like I got to hit the jugs, machines,
Speaker 2: I gotta run the hill a couple times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't my best at that practice when they
Speaker 3: needed me most, So I'm gonna do a little extra
Speaker 3: for the team. I think they're a little down on
Speaker 3: the line Robot.
Speaker 2: The line Robot is out here, he's on the sideline.
Speaker 2: Maybe gonna get in some extra work. We'll see you know, Matt,
Speaker 2: and I will keep you posting on everything going on.
Speaker 2: Pushups and everybody's favorite robot. Had I saw I saw
Speaker 2: one of our longtime loyal s and R listeners, Jeff
Speaker 2: across the way. Him and his son come out here
Speaker 2: every single year and always say hello. And I was
Speaker 2: walking to lunch and they saw me and hollered and
Speaker 2: I went over and talked to him for a few
Speaker 2: minutes and they were cracking up. They were like, we
Speaker 2: were driving up yesterday listening to the commentary of the
Speaker 2: of the line Painting Robot. We were we were cracking up.
Speaker 2: Started well, So we got a couple other tweets from
Speaker 2: people that that enjoyed it. So yeah, we will if
Speaker 2: if the if the line Painting Robot returns, we will
Speaker 2: make sure to let everybody know.
Speaker 3: It's getting a little work out on the side here
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. Now it's going to I have a
Speaker 3: feeling it's out for some reason.
Speaker 2: Now's the time, though, right, because I mean there's there's
Speaker 2: no one watching nothing on these fields tomorrow.
Speaker 3: They don't look like they need line though. I'm just wondering,
Speaker 3: pretty good fitdle with it and someone's mixing a paint
Speaker 3: down there to pour in.
Speaker 2: This might be uh, this might be again like you said,
Speaker 2: like the guy who all right, you didn't have such
Speaker 2: a good day yesterday. But let's see if we can
Speaker 2: respond here. Yeah, there's no crowd out here right now.
Speaker 3: The pressure if you screw it up, you know, we
Speaker 3: got time get it fixed.
Speaker 2: Getting the film. Maybe they got in the film room
Speaker 2: last night with mister Robot.
Speaker 3: I would hope you needed to figured this whole thing down.
Speaker 2: They also speaking of a breaking down and setting up.
Speaker 2: They got the whole Pat McFee show set is going
Speaker 2: in up there at the base. Did you see that
Speaker 2: earlier when.
Speaker 3: We were no, I didn't actually go to lunch today.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's all I mean from where we're sitting
Speaker 2: right now, you can't see it great because those big
Speaker 2: trees are in front of us, but it's a massive
Speaker 2: stage that they were setting up over there. So mad
Speaker 2: it'll be real quiet here tomorrow. But things are really
Speaker 2: going to pick up on Monday with mgafee in town,
Speaker 2: the pads going on.
Speaker 3: Have you ever done a day here when there's nothing
Speaker 3: going on? It's like crickets, it's like tumbleweed, Like tomorrow
Speaker 3: will be really quiet.
Speaker 2: I think my very first year, I've.
Speaker 3: Only done like one. I always go home when I can.
Speaker 2: And I know you know this, but I'll peel back
Speaker 2: the curtain quickly for everybody. I was. I was living
Speaker 2: in the summer of twenty eighteen when I got this job.
Speaker 2: I was living and working in Philadelphia. That's when I was.
Speaker 2: I was doing stuff for the Eagles and for the Phillies.
Speaker 2: I had two weeks to get back home here and
Speaker 2: like move from the time that I got hired to
Speaker 2: when I started, I had two weeks and so that
Speaker 2: was a crazy process for me. And so my first
Speaker 2: day with iHeart and with the Steelers was the first
Speaker 2: day of training camp at twenty eighteen. Like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: I had no onboarding or anything like that. It was
Speaker 2: like my first day. So you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: immerse myself. I'm trying to learn everything, meet all you guys,
Speaker 2: this whole process, you know, get on boarded as quickly
Speaker 2: as possible. So that summer I did stay out here
Speaker 2: not every off day, but at least the first couple
Speaker 2: because I was just like, I don't want to go, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like be here, what if something happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm realizing, not quite realizing, you probably
Speaker 3: should go.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so I think eventually. I think eventually I did.
Speaker 2: But you're right, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy empties.
Speaker 2: It's like Max Starks. Maybe there are.
Speaker 3: Some players they don't all go home, like theyd.
Speaker 2: Go guys and everything, golf balls or whatever.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure there's.
Speaker 3: Sure here though. I can go back to Arizona for
Speaker 3: a day.
Speaker 2: Right, Max always like goes to the movies or you know,
Speaker 2: I know some of them will like, especially people like
Speaker 2: Max who don't live here, Like I think Max goes
Speaker 2: into the city on a couple of those off days
Speaker 2: and you know, goes and see some friends or.
Speaker 3: Players and stuff, some old buddies.
Speaker 2: It hits some of his old favorite you know, food
Speaker 2: spots and that type stuff. So, yeah, it will be
Speaker 2: it'll be quiet here tomorrow and the rest of tonight certainly,
Speaker 2: but on Monday business will be booming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the MACV thing I forgot all that, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be do you know what time he goes on the
Speaker 3: air noon noon to two. Okay, practice starts at eleven.
Speaker 2: Practice starts at eleven, so I would recommend uh getting
Speaker 2: here a little bit early.
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be last year they did, did
Speaker 3: they well?
Speaker 2: Because remember last year practice started it at one fifty
Speaker 2: five mm hm. So like what he goes on noon,
Speaker 2: no matter what. So it was basically like he was
Speaker 2: wrapping up the show right as Steelers practice was starting.
Speaker 2: Last year. Well it's whereas this year it'll be more
Speaker 2: like practice will be ongoing throughout most of their show,
Speaker 2: and then I'm sure they'll have plenty of guests and
Speaker 2: all and all that good stuff going on as well.
Speaker 3: Very cool, obviously that will be fun.
Speaker 2: It will be two hours in the books bonus hour
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