WEBVTT - #275 Maggie Freleng with Kenneth Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Maggie.

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<v Speaker 2>How you holding up in these crazy It seems like

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<v Speaker 2>things getting crazier every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Feeling really inspired today actually, despite all of the horrible

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<v Speaker 4>things in the news, because of these people that go

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<v Speaker 4>to prison and get activated and inspired to change for others.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. These are people who've been through hell and come

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<v Speaker 2>out carrying buckets of water for the people that they're

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<v Speaker 2>left behind.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't blame people who get out and

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<v Speaker 5>say I want to forget all of it and live

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<v Speaker 5>a normal life, whatever that might be for them. But

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<v Speaker 5>I really do think that change comes from those who

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<v Speaker 5>have experienced what happened and know what goes on. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's so incredible and beautiful and inspiring.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're fighting, we understand you, We hear you. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to wreck this system.

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<v Speaker 6>From lava for good. This is wrongful conviction with Maggie

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<v Speaker 6>Freeling today. Ken Nixon. On May nineteenth, two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen year old Ken Nixon was having a relaxing evening

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<v Speaker 6>at home in Detroit with his girlfriend, LaToya and their

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<v Speaker 6>baby son. The knight slipped away as normally as it

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<v Speaker 6>could for the new parents until the early hours of

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<v Speaker 6>the morning, when suddenly the police busted in. About three

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<v Speaker 6>blocks away. That same night, someone had thrown a Molotov

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<v Speaker 6>cocktail at a second floor window of a home, killing

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<v Speaker 6>two children. The other people in the building were able

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<v Speaker 6>to escape, and one of them said the person he

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<v Speaker 6>saw through the homemade bomb was Ken, But Ken and

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<v Speaker 6>LaToya both say they were home at her house. Both

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<v Speaker 6>her aunt and her neighbor say Ken never left the

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<v Speaker 6>house that night, but regardless, Ken wound up being tried

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<v Speaker 6>for arson and for the murders of both children.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking that they're going to figure this out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking logic was going to make its way

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<v Speaker 1>to the surface. I was thinking that the system was

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<v Speaker 1>going to work the way that it was supposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>Never did I imagine that the end result would be

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<v Speaker 1>a guilty verdict.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Kenneth Nixon.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent sixteen years incarcerated for a crime that I

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<v Speaker 1>did not commit.

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<v Speaker 6>Ken Nixon was born in Lincoln Park, Michigan, to Tracy

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<v Speaker 6>Nixon and Kenneth Palmer. Ken didn't know his biological dad

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<v Speaker 6>growing up and was raised by his mom and stepdad.

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<v Speaker 6>He's the oldest of four kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Family was really close. I have cousins that were more

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<v Speaker 1>like siblings than they were actual cousins.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty fun childhood, middle class upbringing, magnet schools. I always

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed school.

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<v Speaker 3>Sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Playing up growing up was something that I enjoyed doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Neighborhood wasn't bad, not much violence, not in a horrible area.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to school as a group. We met on

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<v Speaker 1>the corner. Everybody met at the same time. It was

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's parents' responsibility to make sure that everybody made it

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<v Speaker 1>to the corner. There were checkpoints that when we passed,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's parents reported to the other parents.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a community where every one watched out for

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<v Speaker 6>each other. And Ken appreciated that he had a fun childhood.

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<v Speaker 6>But growing up, Ken was also academically driven and had

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<v Speaker 6>higher ambitions.

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<v Speaker 1>I always wanted to be the first in my family

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<v Speaker 1>to graduate college. I learned very early on that not

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<v Speaker 1>many of my family members on either side had actually graduated,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to be the first to do so.

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<v Speaker 6>Ken wanted to be an entrepreneur, and his mom, Tracy

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<v Speaker 6>says Ken absolutely could have achieved that dream.

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<v Speaker 7>Ken was smarter than the average kid in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 7>The older kids looked up to him. They respected him

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<v Speaker 7>because his mental was beyond theirs. He flourished in everything.

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<v Speaker 7>You know. I at two I started calling him the

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<v Speaker 7>golden child.

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<v Speaker 6>Ken was smart and also incredibly responsible.

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<v Speaker 7>And how was that mother that would put a candle

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<v Speaker 7>in every room of the house and time to go

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<v Speaker 7>to bed, he would blow him out. So I would

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<v Speaker 7>wake up, who blow out my candles? While my candle's

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<v Speaker 7>not burning?

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<v Speaker 6>And he would say, well, mine, that's hot.

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<v Speaker 7>If it breaks and catch on fire, then what.

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<v Speaker 6>By ninth grade, Ken was also doing typical teenage things

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<v Speaker 6>like dating, and he fell in love with his friend

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<v Speaker 6>from elementary school, LaToya Calford. LaToya and Ken were dating

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<v Speaker 6>for a few years when she got pregnant, so after

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<v Speaker 6>the eleventh grade, Ken dropped out of school to help LaToya.

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<v Speaker 6>Just nine days after Ken turned eighteen, the high school

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<v Speaker 6>sweethearts had their son. They named him Keion Ken. It

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<v Speaker 6>was under pressure to take care of his family, so

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<v Speaker 6>he helped start a business, a towing company. On May nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 6>two thousand and five, just three months after his business

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<v Speaker 6>was up and running, Ken was having a relaxing night

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<v Speaker 6>home with LaToya and they're now one year old son.

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<v Speaker 3>My son was on my chest.

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<v Speaker 1>We were in the bedroom and you know, I hear

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<v Speaker 1>the door smash in, and you know it's quick. Seconds

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<v Speaker 1>before you can react. The bedroom door comes swinging open

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<v Speaker 1>and the very first thing you see is a flashlight

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<v Speaker 1>in a shotgun, and instinctively I reach to shield him.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I reached.

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<v Speaker 1>To shield him, the first officer yells, baby, baby, baby.

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<v Speaker 6>Another officer grabs Keon off of Ken, and the next

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<v Speaker 6>thing Ken knows, he's being thrown onto the ground, handcuffed,

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<v Speaker 6>and Keon is screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>The most memorable moment of that night is my son

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<v Speaker 1>screaming like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That will that.

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<v Speaker 1>Come help me, scream that only a kid can give you,

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<v Speaker 1>And to be powerless in that moment as all of

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<v Speaker 1>these cops are here. I mean there's moments where I

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<v Speaker 1>still hear him screaming in my head. That's something you

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<v Speaker 1>never forget, that powerless moment where your kid is screaming

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<v Speaker 1>for your assistance and there's nothing you can do about it,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>So when you get picked up, they're saying what to you?

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<v Speaker 3>They actually didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 6>Instead, they've raided the house and arrested both Ken and LaToya.

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<v Speaker 6>The two of them were immediately separated.

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<v Speaker 1>I get to the priestinct and these two detectives come

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<v Speaker 1>in and they say you're being accused of a murder.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, yeah right, you can't be serious. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm thinking, you know, murder, somebody got shot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, drive by or something. In the moment the

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<v Speaker 1>guy says fire, I'm like, yeah right, you can't be serious. Nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was arrested and booked into the county jail.

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<v Speaker 6>What Ken didn't know was, at the same time he

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<v Speaker 6>was home with LaToya and Keon, a crime took place

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<v Speaker 6>about three blocks away. Someone threw a Molotov cocktail into

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<v Speaker 6>the second floor window of a home. Two children were killed,

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<v Speaker 6>ten year old Rayland Vaughan and his baby sister, Tamaya.

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<v Speaker 6>The other people in the building were able to escape,

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<v Speaker 6>and the police were accusing both Ken and LaToya of

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<v Speaker 6>these murders. Did you even know how to make a

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<v Speaker 6>Molotov cocktail?

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<v Speaker 3>I did not even know what the Molotov cocktail.

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<v Speaker 6>Was, Okay, so can't even say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. My trial attorney literally.

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<v Speaker 1>Spent forty five minutes trying to explain to me what

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<v Speaker 1>a Molotov cocktail.

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<v Speaker 6>Was turns out, the police had an alleged witness, thirteen

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<v Speaker 6>year old Brandon Vaughan, the brother of the two children

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<v Speaker 6>who were killed. Brandon told police he saw Ken throw

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<v Speaker 6>the Molotov cocktail through the window and that he thought

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<v Speaker 6>Ken might have done it out of anger at his

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<v Speaker 6>mother's boyfriend, ron Rico Simmons. Brandon said that Ken had

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<v Speaker 6>it out for ron Rico because of a fling he

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<v Speaker 6>had with LaToya while she and Ken were dating. According

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<v Speaker 6>to Brandon, he was on his porch that night and

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<v Speaker 6>saw Ken get out of a green Plymouth neon, throw

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<v Speaker 6>the bomb into the house, get back into the passenger seat,

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<v Speaker 6>and speed off, and he said that the car belonged

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<v Speaker 6>to LaToya. Ken and LaToya were both charged with two

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<v Speaker 6>counts of murder, four counts of attempted murder, and one

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<v Speaker 6>count of arson. So I want to ask you, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>when you find out that Ken is.

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<v Speaker 3>Arrested for.

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<v Speaker 6>A horrible murder of two children, what was that like

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<v Speaker 6>for you?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm the all the same your world times black.

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<v Speaker 3>I experien.

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<v Speaker 8>I couldn't see, I couldn't voss, I couldn't talk, and

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<v Speaker 8>then I started making phone calls asking questions, what's going on,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, what's the truth in this?

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<v Speaker 6>And did you think there was any possibility Ken could

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<v Speaker 6>have done something like this?

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 9>He was that kid that wouldn't let me burn a

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<v Speaker 9>candle for twenty four hours, so I know, I'm all

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<v Speaker 9>the top cantail, No way.

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<v Speaker 6>two thousand and five, Ken and LaToya went to trial.

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<v Speaker 6>They were tried together, but they each had separate juries.

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<v Speaker 6>The prosecutor was Assistant prosecuting Attorney Patrick Muscat. Muskat called

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<v Speaker 6>an expert from the state crime Lab who had tested

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<v Speaker 6>Ken's close the night he was arrested after the police

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<v Speaker 6>had taken them as evidence. The expert testified that Ken's

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<v Speaker 6>clothes had an accelerant on them. A man named Stanley

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<v Speaker 6>January Junior testified that Ken confessed to him while they

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<v Speaker 6>were in the Wayne County jail together, and that Ken

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<v Speaker 6>told him he didn't think the children were home. Muscat

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<v Speaker 6>also called the alleged witness to the crime, thirteen year

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<v Speaker 6>old Brandon Vaughan. He was one of the survivors of

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<v Speaker 6>the fire that night and the older brother of the victims.

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<v Speaker 6>Brandon was also the one who pointed police to Ken

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<v Speaker 6>and LaToya in the first place. At trial, Brandon said

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<v Speaker 6>he saw Ken get into the passenger side of Latoya's car,

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<v Speaker 6>but he altered his testimony a bit from what he

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<v Speaker 6>originally told police. He said that he actually wasn't on

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<v Speaker 6>the porch when he saw Ken get out of the car.

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<v Speaker 6>He was in his bed. The only evidence of the

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<v Speaker 6>state actually had against Ken was this altered witness testimony

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<v Speaker 6>and the alleged accelerant covered clothes. Ken and Latoya's defense

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<v Speaker 6>was weak, though their attorneys called just four witnesses to

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<v Speaker 6>the stand, two of whom were alibi witnesses, and they

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<v Speaker 6>did not present any evidence to refute the state crime lab.

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<v Speaker 6>They did not point out that Ken had worked at

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<v Speaker 6>the towing company earlier that night, and that since truck's

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<v Speaker 6>typically carry gasoline, it's likely that Can could have had

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<v Speaker 6>some sort of accelerant on him from that. LaToya ended

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<v Speaker 6>up being acquitted of all charges, but as for Ken,

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<v Speaker 6>his jury found him guilty and he was convicted of

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<v Speaker 6>one count of arson, four counts of attempted murder, and

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<v Speaker 6>two counts of murder. He was sentenced to life in

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<v Speaker 6>prison without parole. When Ken got to prison, he got

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<v Speaker 6>right to work. He's a natural achiever, and says he

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<v Speaker 6>finished getting his ged within six weeks of his conviction,

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<v Speaker 6>and he appealed his conviction right away. But in two

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<v Speaker 6>thousand and seven he was denied. He was denied again

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<v Speaker 6>in twenty ten, and then again and again. Did you

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<v Speaker 6>do any crying in prison?

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<v Speaker 1>Almost certainly? Losses are her heart, you know, the core

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<v Speaker 1>system was her heart. I absolutely cried a few times, all.

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<v Speaker 6>The while his tracy was paying for the attorneys and

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<v Speaker 6>expenses for kens appeals.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to continue to say, hey, I need twenty

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<v Speaker 1>grand right, that's somebody's life savings. Where where are.

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<v Speaker 6>You getting this money? That's a lot of money, Granddad.

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<v Speaker 9>Mostly I worked.

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<v Speaker 8>I had parties, you know, we did what we had

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<v Speaker 8>to do, what we saw food, we had t shirts made,

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<v Speaker 8>we sold shirts, and.

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<v Speaker 6>On a monthly basis, the money was there, but they

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<v Speaker 6>kept losing. Eventually, Tracy had to wonder.

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<v Speaker 8>It took me a long time to ask him, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>because I did as a mother. I asked, come on, now,

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<v Speaker 8>jail me something, did you And he said absolutely not?

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<v Speaker 9>And I knew in my heart he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, she'd sacrifice so much to continue paying

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers and private investigators. The result was repeatedly the same.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter how much money we spent, no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>much time was spent, we were still losing. And when

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<v Speaker 1>that question came, I felt like her faith was waivery.

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<v Speaker 6>But it wasn't. Tracy pushed on with her son to

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<v Speaker 6>fight for his freedom.

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<v Speaker 8>I know my son with things, I know my good

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<v Speaker 8>my soul mean knowing him, I think he was vincent.

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<v Speaker 6>So I guess listeners might be wondering, how do you

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<v Speaker 6>have the same case and one person gets off and

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<v Speaker 6>one person gets convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the ten million dollar question, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 6>This is David Williams. He's a staff attorney at the

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<v Speaker 6>Western Michigan University Cooley Innocence Project. David and the WMU

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<v Speaker 6>Cooley Innocence Project came across Ken's case back in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 6>and they saw several factors that pointed towards his innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>The two biggest factors was the use of a jail

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<v Speaker 2>house spitch and also the testimony of the star witness,

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<v Speaker 2>Brendan Bawn, who we knew to be unreliable because he

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<v Speaker 2>told a different story about four different times.

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<v Speaker 6>They started from the beginning, they gathered all the available evidence,

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<v Speaker 6>and while reviewing it, they stumbled on something new. David says,

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<v Speaker 6>the uncovered memos that had not previously been disclosed to

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<v Speaker 6>Ken's defense.

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<v Speaker 2>So we actually had memos that we found during the

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<v Speaker 2>course of our investigation from the police and the prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're saying, you know, this witness, this kid, Brandon,

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<v Speaker 2>he's very inconsistent. We got to get something, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, the steelhouse snitch materializes just overnight.

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<v Speaker 6>David believes that this suggests the prosecution was worried they

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't get a conviction on Brandan's test money alone, and

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<v Speaker 6>so the prosecution called Stanley January junior to testify. A

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<v Speaker 6>memo dated August third, two thousand and five, requested that

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<v Speaker 6>the detectives speak with Ken's cellmates to see if Ken

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<v Speaker 6>said anything to them. By the end of the month,

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<v Speaker 6>Detective Moys's he Meenez said he spoke with January, who

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<v Speaker 6>allegedly said Nixon confessed to him. Shortly after that, January

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<v Speaker 6>signed his plea agreement. Eventually, Ken's team spoke with January,

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<v Speaker 6>who admitted he had actually seen the case on TV

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<v Speaker 6>before he spoke with Ken. Another prisoner had also previously

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<v Speaker 6>reported that January admitted to him that he made up

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<v Speaker 6>a lie hoping to make a deal with the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 6>to get his own case dropped. David and the wm

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<v Speaker 6>Cooley Innocent's Project worked on Ken's case for two years

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<v Speaker 6>before they submitted it to the Conviction Integrity Unit or CiU.

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<v Speaker 6>While pending, the CiU completed a review of another case

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<v Speaker 6>which they deemed was indeed a wrongful conviction. Alexander Unsari,

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<v Speaker 6>who had been in prison since twenty twelve, had his

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<v Speaker 6>conviction vacated and guess what the common denominator with Ken.

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<v Speaker 6>Detective Moys's he Meenez was also a detective in Unsorry's case.

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<v Speaker 2>So Detective Jimenez is currently being accused of holding up

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<v Speaker 2>a couple investigations and has something to deal with cartel.

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<v Speaker 2>There has been prior misconduct from Jimenez before, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think at this point it's pretty easy to say that

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit doesn't consider him a reliable witness anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>And it wasn't just Himenez. Many of the players involved

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<v Speaker 6>in Ken's conviction have a history of misconduct. Prosecuting Attorney Muscat,

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<v Speaker 6>for example, prosecuted Devonte Sandford, who was a child when

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<v Speaker 6>he was convicted. Sanford has since been exonerated. Musqet also

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<v Speaker 6>prosecuted Felonious Sierce for murder in two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 6>which resulted in a life without parole sentence. Searcy is

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<v Speaker 6>currently awaiting a new trial due to Muscat's alleged role

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<v Speaker 6>in hiding evidence from the jury. Lieutenant James Tolbert was

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<v Speaker 6>also involved in the DeVante Sanford case and had been

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<v Speaker 6>placed on the Wayne County Prosecutor's list of untrustworthy police officers.

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<v Speaker 6>A specialist to try and curb wrongful convictions in Detroit

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<v Speaker 6>and surrounding cities in Wayne County. Finally, after months of review.

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<v Speaker 6>The CiU ruled in Ken's case, and on February eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty one, his conviction was vacated. After sixteen years,

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<v Speaker 6>Ken Nixon walked out of prison and was reunited with

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<v Speaker 6>his family, friends and supporters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like people just rushing to the car and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>familiar faces, some unfamiliar faces. But my son was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a little wais back. So he caught the glimpse

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<v Speaker 1>of me comment and he just like football, and he

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<v Speaker 1>just hailed all and we just rocked back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute, and that's when the reality said.

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<v Speaker 6>Soon after Ken got out, I caught up with him

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<v Speaker 6>in his home. He was with his then girlfriend Wendy,

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<v Speaker 6>and he was having a little trouble getting the hang

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<v Speaker 6>of his cell phone. Welcome to the world of technology issues.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So how's it going?

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<v Speaker 8>So okay?

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<v Speaker 6>What have you eaten so far?

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<v Speaker 7>Everything?

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<v Speaker 1>Everything?

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<v Speaker 6>He said, he wanted a real burger.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 6>When Ken got out, the first thing he did was

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<v Speaker 6>ketch up on his eighteen year old son, Kean's life.

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<v Speaker 6>They had maintained a relationship throughout his time in prison,

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<v Speaker 6>but now he could be a hands on dad.

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<v Speaker 1>I was home in time to see his senior year

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<v Speaker 1>of ball. He is a standout football star. He just

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<v Speaker 1>accepted a full ride scholarship to Morgan State University to

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<v Speaker 1>play football. He is a straight amb kid and nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen nothing less than a three point eight

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<v Speaker 1>with him. I'll get to see him off for college.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get to annoy the hell out of him while

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<v Speaker 1>he's at college. Amazing, amazing timing when my exoneration came.

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<v Speaker 6>Now that he's out, Ken is actually a full time

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<v Speaker 6>dad to two boys, because while in prison, Ken found

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<v Speaker 6>out he has another son, Omar, who was born a

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<v Speaker 6>couple of years before Keon. They also built a relationship

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<v Speaker 6>while Ken was in prison and I stayed in touch.

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<v Speaker 6>Omar is now nineteen years old. In addition to fortifying

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<v Speaker 6>his relationships, Ken is now also focused on advocacy work.

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<v Speaker 1>When I came home, I didn't like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the people around us that have never been through what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been through were dictating how we moved in what way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the lawyers that are telling you which financial advisors

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<v Speaker 1>to go to. It's the lawyers that are helping you

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<v Speaker 1>get health care. It's the lawyers that are suggesting which

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<v Speaker 1>therapist you talk to that are telling you what's okay

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<v Speaker 1>and what's not okay. That bothers me because you've never

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<v Speaker 1>been where I've been. You've never seen what I've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>so it makes you feel like you're qualified to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me what's acceptable and what's not. That was a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>for me to accept. So I laid a foundation, I

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<v Speaker 1>poured some concrete, and now we stand there.

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<v Speaker 6>Ken is a founding member of the Organization of its Ownarees,

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<v Speaker 6>a nonprofit whose membership, including its board, consists entirely of xounaries.

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<v Speaker 1>We work to bring awareness to wrongful convictions. There are

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<v Speaker 1>I think the latest number that I've seen is three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand xigneries in this country, and those are just the

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<v Speaker 1>ones we know about. We work to do the best

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<v Speaker 1>we can with re entry and making sure that people

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<v Speaker 1>have what they need. We work to be each other

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<v Speaker 1>peer counselors. We work to make sure that if there's

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<v Speaker 1>an innocent person in prison, if they don't have any supporters,

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<v Speaker 1>we are their supporters.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>We fly in, we go to court hearings, we go

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<v Speaker 1>to parole hearings, we go to meetings with prosecutors, We

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<v Speaker 1>go to meetings with people that don't technically understand what

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<v Speaker 1>a wrongful conviction is. We deal with bank accounts, we

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<v Speaker 1>deal with driver's license IDs, housing, healthcare, financial advisors.

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<v Speaker 3>We deal with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Our decisions are our own and the goal, the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>our existence is based around us taking care of us.

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<v Speaker 6>I asked Ken what he would tell other innocent people

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<v Speaker 6>going through the same thing that he did.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're innocent and you're fighting, don't stop fighting. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that we're doing everything. We can change the system. We

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<v Speaker 1>understand you, We hear you. We're going to wreck this system.

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<v Speaker 6>In January of this year, can A filed a claim

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<v Speaker 6>against the state of Michigan for compensation for his wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 6>If you'd like to help support the work of the

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<v Speaker 6>Organization of Xana Rees, go to fundly dot com organization

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<v Speaker 6>Dash of dash exoneries. Next time on Wrongful Conviction with

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<v Speaker 6>Maggie Freeling, Karen bows I saw fallen rang and it

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<v Speaker 6>was my son and he said the House of fun.

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<v Speaker 7>Fire my suppol.

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<v Speaker 3>Where is rob And that's the biggest thing.

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