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Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny and Samantha and welcome with Stefan Never

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Speaker 1: Told You production by Her Radio.

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Speaker 2: And today we're doing something a little different as we

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Speaker 2: like to do every now and again, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to take a break to celebrate what we just accomplished. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: celebrate us Annie. If you haven't heard, which I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine you haven't since if you're following us and you

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Speaker 2: listen to us at all, you may have heard it

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Speaker 2: every day. If you've listened to our podcast, you know,

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Speaker 2: Annie says it every day on our podcast. But we

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Speaker 2: have a book and it is now available. It is

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Speaker 2: released today. We've got some fun messages from people congratulating us,

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Speaker 2: telling us happy book birthday. So that's cute. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to give ourselves flowers. Annie, We're gonna mark today

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Speaker 2: because it is released as of today. We did a

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Speaker 2: whole worldwwind of interviews on radio, which was our whole

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Speaker 2: experience in itself. But Yeah, I thought that we should

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Speaker 2: take a moment reflect on this book, give each other

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Speaker 2: the flower. So yeah, Anye, I'm asking you to compliment me.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna compliment you. This is this is a setup

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Speaker 2: essentially to make myself feel better. I make us feel better.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, today we did a radio tour, so maybe

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Speaker 2: if any of you are radio listeners, you're located in

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Speaker 2: some of the areas that we released some of those

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Speaker 2: interviews with. I think Seattle was one. One said New

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Speaker 2: don't know how that.

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Speaker 1: Works, said New York Metro. Yeah, so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We had a person from Chicago, and then some other places,

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Speaker 2: and not surprising, they were mainly all men. There were

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Speaker 2: all delights. But I felt like that was very telling

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Speaker 2: and Annie, actually you predicted the type of questions we

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Speaker 2: would get. I think about good seventy percent of the

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Speaker 2: times we did talk about the book, I will say

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Speaker 2: that the other thirty percent too specifically. We got questions

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Speaker 2: specifically on feminism, and it was so elementary level. As

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Speaker 2: we like we sat there, I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: like we're teaching them feminism. Of course, we got a

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Speaker 2: lot of you know, we love our mothers, we love

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Speaker 2: explain why feminism is intersectional and why it's needed for

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Speaker 2: everyone including men. That was very interesting as well. But

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Speaker 2: I will say, Annie, you did an amazing job.

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Speaker 1: You did so good. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You did not stumble on words. I barely heard you say.

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Speaker 2: I definitely stumbled on several of my words, and you

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Speaker 2: were just so professional and eloquent. I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. But you were so

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Speaker 1: good too. I think we kept saying, which I love

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Speaker 1: that we kept saying during these interviews, was you know,

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Speaker 1: we balance each other out. We are a good team.

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Speaker 1: And so I felt like there were several moments where

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Speaker 2: Part of that was because I didn't want to talk

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Speaker 1: That actually makes me feel really good. You did so

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Speaker 2: hear from me that I have written a book like this.

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Speaker 1: Look who No, I've had a lot of friends contact

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Speaker 1: what is it? What is it? You've been so stressed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was amazing. She was. She was somebody who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was I don't know you want this, but

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can commission a work from her. Again, she

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