WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Holes! 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:15.960 Thinking Sideways. I don't. I'm not. You never know stories 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.599 of things we don't know the answer too. Hi there 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.360 this Steve, this is I forgot how we're doing and 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.920 I'm sorry. That's okay. Put us together in this little 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.400 room with the squeaky chairs, and well, this is Thinking 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:36.760 Sideways the podcast energy. Yep, this is the show where 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:41.479 we try to rationally look at unexplained mysteries, phenomena, weird 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.280 stuff in general. I guess when people have been asking, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.440 is how we describe the show. So I think that's 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.320 kind of an okay way, wouldn't you say? Yeah, that 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:57.080 was a no? But the truth, yeah we can. But anyway, 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.840 we were doing something a little different tonight. We're always 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.160 try to mix things up, do things a little differently, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.840 see how they work. And one of the things that 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.920 we've been talking about is the fact that we're getting 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.920 a lot of suggestions, which is fantastic, and we're finding 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.760 a lot of stories, but unfortunately those stories are kind 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:19.480 of small. They wouldn't be enough to fill an entire 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.399 show on their own, and we have definitely gotten a 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.240 lot of feedback that people like longer shows than shorter shows, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.320 So we didn't really want to do just like, you know, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.720 a couple of fifteen minutes twenty minutes shows, because that 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.080 just kind of felt like, that's so fun. But so 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.160 what we decided to do is go ahead and combine 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.319 a couple of stories and run through several in one episode. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:50.559 So tonight, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about holes. Holes 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.560 in the ground, holes in the ground, in the ground. Yeah. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.320 I know, it's it sounds really interesting, but it actually 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.960 kind of is. It totally is. We've we found some 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.080 pretty interesting stories, some good holes. Yeah. So we've got 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.560 we've got three different stories that we're gonna run through tonight, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.240 and Joe, you're you're gonna start us out. I'm gonna 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.640 start out before I start with my main story, which 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.960 is Mills Hole, which some of you may have heard about. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.239 In my meanderings around the innerwebs. Investigating Mills Hole, I 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.800 stumbled across another really cool hole called the Wealth the 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.480 Well to Hell, and oh yeah I've seen, yes, yes, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.080 the Well to Hell. I haven't told me about it. Yeah. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:32.840 So the Russian scientists, yeah, scientists, And I'm then placed 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.760 in Siberia, drilled a hole that want nine miles down 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.440 and then at nine miles down it hit a cavity, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.720 and so they were intrigued at what they what they 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.520 what they had come across, And so they lowered some 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.920 temperature sensing gear and and a microphone into the hole. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:53.920 So nine miles oh I actually and and and they recorded, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.200 they recorded the screams of the damned. So, in other words, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.040 they had found Hell and their their their temperature is 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.440 showing equipment apparently put the temperature in there about two 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:09.440 thousand degrees anyway, So the well to Hell, Yeah, yeah, 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:14.480 that's heard on the internet and ran like wildfire and 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.639 then thankfully died off, except for the one link that 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.880 you managed to find on it. Yeah, yeah, and the 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.840 and the actual the actual recording apparently was taken from 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.880 some other recording wrote some movie soundtrack. Yeah, it is 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.320 fairly terrifying that recording if it's like late at night 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.880 and you're just totally in that mindset where you're buying 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.280 into everything, and you listen to it and you're like, 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:40.840 oh no, it's the worst thing ever. But obviously obviously 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.160 re let's let's let's talk about the real holes, or 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.600 at least what we believe. Let's talk about, Yeah, the 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.120 real hole, the real the real deal Mells Hole. This 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.080 was a suggestion from one of our listeners, Jennifer. Thanks Jennifer, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.560 appreciate the suggestion. Uh so, Mells Hole is Uh. The 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.040 story begins in the late nineties when a guy in 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.360 and Mel Waters called into the Art Bell Show. And 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.960 Art Bell used to it was a San Francisco based broadcaster, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.560 kind of like Clyde Lewis, kind of one of those 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:15.440 guys that specializes show bigot UFOs all that stuff. He 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.400 would talk about this stuff. So Mel Waters calls in 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.159 and he says, he says that he had he owned 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.760 a piece of property in the middle of Washington, near 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.640 a town called Ellensburg, and he said that there was 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.520 a hole of his property that was about not nine 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.839 ft wide or something like that, surrounded by a concrete 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.719 block wall like like a well would be. And but 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.279 the whole, according to Mel was bottomless. And he said 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.440 he'd dropped stuff in there and you never hear it 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.680 hit bottom. And he said that people around the area 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.599 had been throwing their trash in there for years and 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:53.760 years never filled it up. Yeah, I know, And then, uh, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.440 what else did you say? It has some certain magical properties. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.480 Animals for example, would not go anywhere near it, even 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.760 birds it. It wouldn't end. He said that somebody had 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.719 a dog and his dog died, and so he threw 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.600 the dog down the well, which really I know, and 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.719 what a sound that was, Like, don't bury the dog 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.320 in the yard, now, you can just go throw him 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.039 in with all the other garden. So but anyway, so 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.520 this guy threw his dog into into mills hole, and 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.159 then some time after that he saw the dog again 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.440 or something alive. There's two different versions of it. One 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.640 is that he saw it out in the woods by itself, 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.479 running along like it was chasing something. And another version 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.200 that he saw the dog and he was walking with 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.400 some other person and when he called to the dog, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.320 the dog wouldn't come to him. Oh. I actually heard 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:46.280 an even different version of that story that he threw 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.440 it down and like he was sure it was dead. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.200 He threw the dog down the well, but like as 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.760 the dog was falling down, he could hear it like barking, 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.719 like it had like come back alive and was just falling. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:01.200 It must have just been in a coma dog coma well. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.920 I bet he was feeling kind of regretful at that point. Yeah, 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.960 I hope. So yeah, yeah, please, yeah, somebody actually they 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.960 were Mel apparently, uh he went in discussion with with 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.400 with our bell was talking about various ways to figure 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.080 out how deep this hole is. He's and somebody actually 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.679 wanted to of somebody called into the show and suggested 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.280 throwing a cat down there and here and so. Yeah, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.080 you can hear the cat screaming and owling the whole 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.960 way down until it stopped, and that's when you know 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:32.280 it hit bottom. But yeah, this is a sensitive bunch. Yeah, yeah, seriously, 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.280 I don't I don't think he ever did this. Gentlemen, 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:40.360 we do not Please, don't any of that at all, no, please, Yeah. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.200 Mel took a path like a roll of lifesavers and 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.640 tied a time to a fishing line, and he reportedly 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.440 lowered the lowered the lifesavers down about fifteen hundred feet 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.159 and then brought him back up and they were intact. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.360 They weren't wet, so it hadn't obviously hit the water 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.720 table or anything like that. There's not full of water. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.320 Um and then claims that he U you have a no, 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.520 I just feel like that's wrong. But okay, I also 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.560 like I'm kind of like I'm trying to conceptualize feet, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:16.720 like like how like how high do airplanes fly? Usually? Right? 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:22.840 Like so it's like I don't know, like like a 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.920 like a big football football field is a hundred yards 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.960 the playing surface, not the end zones. There's a hundred yards, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.400 and there's how many feet in a yard? Three? So 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.480 that would be three hundred feet. Yeah, okay, so we're 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.640 talking according to this, then that is five football fields. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.560 See that. I'm sorry, I don't know if this is 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.480 because I'm a lady or what, but that does not 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.160 help me at all. Can you get like buildings though, 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.240 like can you reference like a what a building in 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.440 this area is similar? Okay, so for a reference, the 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.679 Empire State building is one tall, so it's a little 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.720 but deeper than the Empire's date building and has not 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:08.840 didn't hit the water water didn't hit bottom. Uh well 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.960 I also okay, I guess the other thing is that, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.120 like I don't know that life, like a role of Lifesavers, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.440 is necessarily heavy enough for me to like once it's 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.360 down far enough me, you know, I don't know that 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.920 I would notice if I was hit nothing but sugar, 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.800 so they would start to dissolve in the water. Sure. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.440 But but I guess my thing is that, like if 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.600 it hit bottom, I don't know that I would necessarily 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:38.640 be like, oh yeah, still it's yeah like that. Yeah. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.600 And the thing about it is is I I had 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.880 no idea what kind of line he was using. Butt 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.000 in line. It's going to love. It's going to weigh 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.200 more than the Lifesavers themselves, So he could actually, you know, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.240 he could actually have hit bottom and still have tension 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.360 on the line from all that weight. Right, That's exactly 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.360 kind of what I'm saying, is that it just seems 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.240 like it would be hard to tell, all right, So 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.600 there's there's an issue right there. No, it gets better. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.640 So after after his unsuccessful experiment with the Lifesavers, he 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.120 got himself a whole bunch more line and he lowered 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.800 He put a supposedly a one pound weight on the 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.960 end of this line, started lowering it down. I just 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.640 feel like he needs to be using more weight. I 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.840 would have come up with a better solution. My solution 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.960 would have been to U turn a radio on, set 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.720 it to transmit like a walkie talkie, and just drop 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.000 it and time and when it when it stops transmitting, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.200 you know, you hit the bottom. But don't they hit 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.280 a range, Like there's a range that like I remember 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.000 at the kid right walkie talking. I think Joe is 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.240 talking about better walkie talking and what we had as 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.839 a kid quit when I was halfway across the yard. Alright, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.680 that's fair. They were black and had a little orange 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.280 tip on the end of the radio. Yeah. By the 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.560 time I was a kid, we had like colors and 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:57.600 like they were good and anyway, Joe so so he 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.840 started lowering this thing down. When he run out of line, 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.280 he would he would tie on a new spool of 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.319 line and keep lowering. So he lowered that thing down. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:10.600 He claims eighty thousand feet what okay? Wait, wait, how 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.839 far away is the moon from us? Like? How many 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.960 feet is the moon away from us? Okay, so the 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.640 moon is two hundred forty thousand miles for away from us? 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.360 And miles I don't have a calculator. I mean, I'm 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.520 too lazy, It's okay, never mind about the distance to 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:30.760 the moon. No, no, but eighty thousand feet that's miles. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.720 I mean that's okay. So I guess, Like another question is, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.040 like how thick do we calculate the Earth's trust to 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:41.120 be it's not that thick, right, not on couple, but 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.400 only I mean like eight eight eight thousand feet. Yet 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:50.720 you're getting there. Yeah, you're getting there, you know. And 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.160 I'm not even sure again what the strength of the 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.960 line he was using was. But at the end of that, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:57.760 you would think that the way to the line itself 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.280 would be so much that it would break the line. Yeah, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.040 I mean, yeah, so anyway, but it gets better though. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.960 Apparently after he after he publicized the existence of this 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.240 mysterious hole, by the way, there's other stuff going on 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.320 to like like, for example, some people claimed to have 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.360 seen a column of black light coming out of it 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.680 and going up into the sky. Black light as in 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.960 the black lights from the sixties. Uh no, just that 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.480 what they call. I guess he called it anti light, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.080 like a shadow, but like a column shadow. Yeah, like 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.400 like like an anti flashlight shining out of the hole 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.960 and up into the up to the up in the sky. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.600 So there are people that have actually been dedicating themselves 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.679 to going out and looking for this thing. All right, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.679 But before I talk to that, like, I guess I 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.679 should tell a little bit more a male's story. Apparently, um, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.880 after he brought this to light, the government showed up 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.080 men in black. Yeah it was men in black, wasn't it. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.199 Here come the men in black? Yeah, yeah, And so 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.160 they show up one they show up one day and 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.840 they say, um, and they say, basically, you can't come 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.520 out of your property. There's been a play and crash 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.320 and we're working. And he said, there's there's no evidence 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.160 of a plane crash, but these guys wouldn't let him 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.160 on his property. And eventually he said that they the 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:13.040 government leased the property from him for two dollars a 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.280 month and this allowed him to Yeah, the nice tidy 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.480 little sum of money and so and gentlemen, you can't 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:23.880 see the raised eyebrow that I have right now. Yeah. So, uh, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.960 they least at least the land from him for this 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.360 princely sum. Well, wasn't there like a big caveat that 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.120 one with it? Though? What didn't they say, Okay, we're 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.360 gonna lease this land from you for this amount of money, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.199 but you cannot be on American soil. I've heard that. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:40.959 The other one is that he just wanted to move 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.560 to Australia and they've they've sort of facilitated his move, 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.280 but not that they've left the country Australia for a 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.079 couple of years where he engaged in want that research, 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.760 he says. So the impetus for me asking that is because, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.719 as I'm sure you're about to talk about, as soon 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.200 as l comes back from Australia, you know, the minute 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.440 that that story goes, at least the minute he set 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.880 foot on American soil, his money was all taken away 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.840 from him. All of it was taken away from him, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.000 and he hadn't said nothing, and he was just trying, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.840 you know, he had to like get a money order 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.760 from his nephew to like make it back to his property. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.199 So there's there's like a little more in depth men 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.920 in blackage happening, that weird stuff. So I don't know, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.120 you know, to conflicting stories about that, obviously, Yeah, he hasn't, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.520 so I don't know exactly. He claims that the government 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.280 served him with papers and basically sees his property, and 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.079 anybody know if he'd been finding his taxes, I have 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.640 no idea. That's usually a good reason for the government 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.400 to seize your property. I know you have something worth value. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.960 Nobody nobody actually knows if mel even exists. Apparently, people 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.719 who checked the check the role like the of the 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.679 voter rolls and just the telephone directories and everything else 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.400 for Ellensburg and surrounding area. And they found a record 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.000 of anybody named mel Waters living there at all. Although 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.359 looks be fair. If you're going to call a conspiracy 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.280 show with something like this, maybe you'll want to give 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.960 him a fake name. Yeah. So after he returned, they 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.960 seized his land and then Bell got in a bus 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.000 in Tacoma, Washington, head for Olympia UM. There was an 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.040 altercation on the bus when and the police showed up. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.360 They asked Mell to give a statement. Uh. Mell wanted 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.480 to have no, wanted to just leave, and the police 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.000 said that they would give him a ride in their van. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.320 Their van, Yeah, in the in the police vane. So 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:29.760 he didn't need to get on the bus so you 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.720 could stick around and give a statement. So anyway, he 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.200 gets in the van and that's the last thing he remembers. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.280 He wakes up twelve days later in an alley in 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.000 San Francisco. He had been beaten. His his molars were missing. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.240 They pulled his molders. Uh, and there would have woken 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.040 somebody on Yeah, and there was Abdace said he had 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.040 been hooked up to an ivy and he had a 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.480 homemade he was one of his hobbies is making bell buckles, 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:58.840 and his belt buckle had been stolen. Yeah. And and 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.600 by the way, when he checked his act account for 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.200 all that money the government had big giving him, it 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:07.440 was all gone. It had vanished. Yeah, A Mel's story gets, uh, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.920 gets even more strange. And I'm not going to get 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.720 into everything. Because he had Mel had further adventures down 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.840 in Nevada where he found a second hole that had 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.880 similar problems. But here's the let me ask you this. Yeah, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.760 do we know where Mel's hole is? No, there's only 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.400 and this is this is the thing that's kind of mysterious. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.840 It's like, according to Mel Waters, everybody in the area 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.720 knew of it because they were throwing all their crap 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.360 down it and so but strangely enough, nobody knows where 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.480 it is. There's one guy that lives in the area. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.600 His name is his name is Red Elk and he's 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.320 claims to be an Indian shaman. I can't he's got 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:44.760 a white guy named too, but I can't remember what 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.920 it is on the top of my head. But so 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.920 he claims that his father first took him there in 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.760 nine and he's been back there many times. But he's 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.040 also he's also led numerous expeditions to try to find 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.320 the hole, with no success. I was reading a news 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.160 account one of the local papers about a bunch of 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.280 people that went out on a hunt for the whole 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.400 and red Elk took the lead, but they didn't find 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.160 any holes didn't Was it red Elk that did the 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.640 Coast to Coast interview or Coast Coast a m interview? 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.560 Or was it Mel that did that interview? That was 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.880 Mel mill Waters or at least ostensibly, Yeah, melt Waters 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:23.080 did that. Red Olk actually does exist, because I saw 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.080 I saw a news report on a Washington station about 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.080 Mel's hole. He gave a he gave a little bit 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.360 of an interview. Interesting and yeah it was funny too. 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.280 The he was there on this road out in the woods, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.440 and and then the news lady that is doing the report, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.040 he's like, he's like standing there next to the camera 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.840 and she's heading up the road supposedly towards where the 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.960 hole might be, and he's going, you shouldn't go up there. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.840 It's all, you know, It's all you know. Maybe that's 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.520 why they never found the hole. Is you know red 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.480 Elk is afraid to find the hole. Yeah, I don't 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.800 know so anyway, so we did. Nobody's ever found this thing. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.520 For all we know it's hyper bowl. Yeah, nobody's found 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.920 the whole. It could be that the government, when they 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.320 had control of it, maybe they filled it in. No, 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:11.280 you covered it. You could just cover it, right, I 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.240 mean like write like a trap, those like traps in 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.160 the middle of the woods where you just like cover 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.680 it like a net and then like put leaves over 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.800 and put a rug over. They put leaves on it. Nobody, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.040 nobody will ever find it. What I think they probably 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.080 did is they put a holographic projector inside the hole, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.760 and it projects what appears to be three dimensional ground, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.200 so it looks Yeah, you could be standing right next 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.280 to the whole and it just looks like another pen. 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.800 But they also put a weird electrical fence around it, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.480 so if you like went that way, you would get 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.280 like an uncomfortable electric shocks, and when you would be like, oh, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.280 they'd not go that way because something's weird there to 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.520 keep people from walking into the hole. Actually it might 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.120 be too. They've got like sort of like an electric 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.520 like an electric eye, trip wire and speakers and when 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.600 you trip that, the speakers go off and they sound 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.600 the brown note, you know, and so you know what 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.399 the brown note is, right? And I feel like to 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:09.280 can Sam, I'm surrounded by fruit loops, right. I like 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.040 the idea of the brown note. The brown note. But 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.000 that was on an episode of hard hitting documentary episode 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.960 called a South Park And this one note makes people 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.760 poop their pants. And so you're out there and all 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.320 of a sudden, you you poop your pants, and what 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:24.640 are you gonna do? You're gonna run back to your 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.040 car and you know, I mean, you're not gonna hang out. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.960 You're not gonna hang out keep trooping around. You might 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.359 depends on the kind of person you are. So I 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.840 mean that is that it for Mel's hold? Is there? 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.119 Like any people? I know people have been looking for 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.639 it for years, and I believe that who was it 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.280 that suggested this? Jennifer, Yeah, Jennifer, I know she said 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.439 that she went to college in that area and that 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.360 was one of those things, kind of like a snipe hunt. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.159 They would just go out in the woods looking for 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.359 Mel's hole. Yeah. I mean, if if you believe what 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.480 what Mel Waters said, it's somewhere about nine ten miles 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.439 east or excuse me, west of Ellensburg. So it's not 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.280 a huge area. You could actually you could actually comb 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.600 that pretty well and probably find something. He was telling 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.480 the truth about the direction, or he was good a direction. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.520 He might be like me who doesn't know north from up. Ye. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:27.000 See that's my problem. But the problem here I don't understand. Alright. 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.119 So uh so those of you who still think the 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:31.840 whole might exist and still want to go out and 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.639 look for it, I've got one piece of advice that 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.840 will really help you there your search down a long ways, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.919 which is the whole has got to be next to 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.199 a road. The reason for this is mill Waters. If 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.840 you're gonna believe what he says, says everybody was throwing 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.080 their junk in there. So you're not gonna strap your 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.720 old dead refrigerator to your back and you know, hoof 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.800 at like half a mile of the woods to throw 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:53.399 it in the hole. And so it's got to be 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.240 right next to a road that it doesn't not a 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.280 two lane highway, even not even a little gravel road 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.840 could be just a little mud act. But there has 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.080 to be vehicular access to the whole taking take that 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:05.879 and uh, you know you don't even need to get 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.879 out of your car to go look promose hole. All right. 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:12.439 So there is a local geologist whose name is Jack Powell. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.360 He was cited in a newspaper article, a very recent one, 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.520 is saying he thinks that there he's there is an 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.600 abandoned gold mine in the area and it's not bottomless, 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.040 but it's you know, about three ft deep perhaps, And 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.720 he says that perhaps that's what somebody saw that and 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.160 that's what they think the whole is. But he said 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:31.879 that he knows of no other holes around. And he 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.479 said also being a geologist, geologist would be the kind 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.520 of person you want to talk to about stuff like this, presumably. 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.280 He said that the problem with the bottomless bottomless well 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.720 is that the deeper down you'd get, the greater the 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.560 pressure of the surrounding, and so it would collapse. Oh, 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.680 the force of the earth, the weight of the Earth 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.560 would would force it to close on itself in the bottom. Yeah, 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.199 that makes sense. So yeah, he says, it's oddly the 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:01.600 scientist is making sense. Yes, he's as it's geologically impossible. 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.160 The other thing is that it's at at some point 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.560 it's going to go below the water table and not Yeah, 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:14.320 that's kind of impermeable. Yeah. I remember going to a 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.120 latitube and by Mount Saint Helens. It's called a little 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.399 red river. Yeah, and it's close to the public. But 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.159