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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't. I'm not. You never know stories

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Speaker 1: this Steve, this is I forgot how we're doing and

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That's okay. Put us together in this little

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Speaker 1: room with the squeaky chairs, and well, this is Thinking

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Speaker 1: Sideways the podcast energy. Yep, this is the show where

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Speaker 1: we try to rationally look at unexplained mysteries, phenomena, weird

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Speaker 1: stuff in general. I guess when people have been asking,

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Speaker 1: is how we describe the show. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: kind of an okay way, wouldn't you say? Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: we were doing something a little different tonight. We're always

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Speaker 1: try to mix things up, do things a little differently,

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Speaker 1: see how they work. And one of the things that

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about is the fact that we're getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of suggestions, which is fantastic, and we're finding

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Speaker 1: a lot of stories, but unfortunately those stories are kind

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Speaker 1: lot of feedback that people like longer shows than shorter shows,

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Speaker 1: So we didn't really want to do just like, you know,

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Speaker 1: what we decided to do is go ahead and combine

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Speaker 1: a couple of stories and run through several in one episode.

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Speaker 1: So tonight, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about holes. Holes

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Speaker 1: in the ground, holes in the ground, in the ground. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's it sounds really interesting, but it actually

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Speaker 1: we've got three different stories that we're gonna run through tonight,

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Speaker 1: and Joe, you're you're gonna start us out. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: start out before I start with my main story, which

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Speaker 1: is Mills Hole, which some of you may have heard about.

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Speaker 1: In my meanderings around the innerwebs. Investigating Mills Hole, I

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Speaker 1: Well to Hell, and oh yeah I've seen, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: So the Russian scientists, yeah, scientists, And I'm then placed

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Speaker 1: and so they were intrigued at what they what they

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Speaker 1: then thankfully died off, except for the one link that

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Speaker 1: and you're just totally in that mindset where you're buying

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Speaker 1: real hole, the real the real deal Mells Hole. This

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Speaker 1: appreciate the suggestion. Uh so, Mells Hole is Uh. The

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Speaker 1: He threw the dog down the well, but like as

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Speaker 1: Mel took a path like a roll of lifesavers and

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Speaker 1: but deeper than the Empire's date building and has not

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Speaker 1: Apparently after he after he publicized the existence of this

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Speaker 1: to like like, for example, some people claimed to have

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Speaker 1: the black lights from the sixties. Uh no, just that

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Speaker 1: But before I talk to that, like, I guess I

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Speaker 1: Here come the men in black? Yeah, yeah, And so

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Speaker 1: very deepest bottom ones, you know, it's always wet down there.

427
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: And you know, if if it's just a pit, the

428
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: water is going to collect it. Just water goes places

429
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: and stuff like that will fill. Yeah. So I mean,

430
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, even if it's not, if it's somehow not

431
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: at the water table. Yeah, I just the water that

432
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: whole you hit the water table. It's just part of

433
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: being on Earth. Yeah. Yeah. You think it would have

434
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: been found by with things like what's that website? Google Earth? Yeah, yeah,

435
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: I think we would have found it by now. Yeah. No,

436
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: I actually got on Google Earth and I looked, and

437
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: I looked and looked and looked, and I didn't see

438
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: a hole. Shocking because it projects black light in the

439
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: camera focus might have blinded the satellite. Yeah. So, actually,

440
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: you know what I think it is is I think

441
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: it's a hole for the lizard people to use. You dude,

442
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: it's the lizard people. I want to talk about the

443
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: lizard pop They're going to steal our water from there.

444
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: The water table has been like decimated. They're my whole

445
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 1: is obviously proof of this, ready for this. Yeah, so

446
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: the whole bit I want to talk about is Devil

447
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: Kettle Hole or Devil Cattle Falls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

448
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: And it's in It's in Minnesota, Okay, the northern Minnesota,

449
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: like pretty close to the border. Yeah, where the mosquitoes are.

450
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: It's that's really specific joke. So it's in Judge C. R.

451
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: Magni State Park, which is this huge state park pretty

452
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: much like on the border of Canada and Minnesota. By

453
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: it's really close to Lake Superior, and um, the falls

454
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: are about a mile and a half from Lake Superior itself.

455
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: I think I think they're like the lowest falls, but

456
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure. The brew Ley are

457
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: we gonna say it's the Brule River. Essentially, what happens

458
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: is this river through a lot of series of falls

459
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: drops like feet from where it starts to Lake superior Um.

460
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: This particular fall is like a fifty ft drop. One

461
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: half of it makes this drop, at least one half.

462
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: So you know, at the top of falls, how often

463
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: there will be like a rock in the middle and

464
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: they split off into two different Is this the rock

465
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: in the Loony to cartoons? You remember back trying to

466
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: paddle away from and then that's what he'll be stuck

467
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: in the middle of the falls. It's literally the Loony rock. Okay, okay,

468
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: So it divides the brewlet or whatever, how are you

469
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: say it river. I'm just going to not say the

470
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: name of the river anyway. This river into two and

471
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: it's pretty much solid two halves. One half makes the

472
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: fifty ft drop and continues on to the mile and

473
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: a half to Lake superior. The other half drops into

474
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: what's called a kettle or like a pothole kind of thing.

475
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: It's like just a hole, probably a hole in the rock.

476
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: Drops into the hole in the rock and goes who knows, mysterious.

477
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: So we've just got one giant I mean, I'm assuming

478
00:25:53,880 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: waters pouring, yeah, but that's you know, like it's a

479
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: lot of noise and activity, but the water level never rises.

480
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: It just drops ten feet and then goes somewhere weird.

481
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: So as far as it's called devil Kettle fall, because

482
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: as far as we know, the water goes just straight

483
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: to Hell. I mean really truly, that's like literally, as

484
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: far as we know, it could go straight into Hell.

485
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: It could go into this place that apparently the nazis

486
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: recorded into, like the hole into Hell. Because here's the deal.

487
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: It's apparently an immense amount of water. And I looked

488
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: everywhere and I could not find good statistics on how

489
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: much water like per hour or per year flows down

490
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: this river, how much flow to this kettle, anything like that.

491
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: But everyone I've ever read has said referred to it

492
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: as an immense amount of water, and it just disappears. Uh.

493
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: The standing theory is that it runs underground for a

494
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: while and eventually in peas into the lake or back

495
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: into the river stream, yeah, further downstream or just like

496
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: straight into the lake. But efforts to prove this have

497
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: been like really unsuccessful. Um scientists, and I'm like using

498
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: air quotes here because some people who study this, our scientists,

499
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: some are just drunk hikers. Have dropped you know, things

500
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: varying from vibrant diyes to ping pot like massive amounts

501
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: of ping pong balls, to rubber ducks. Not rubber ducks,

502
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: but logs. And there's a claim that a car has

503
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: been dropped into this thing. How how do you get

504
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: a car into that thing? Well, it's not even like

505
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: how do you get it into that thing? But like

506
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: it's you have to hike to it. I mean it's

507
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: just like a foot trail. So I don't know how

508
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: much I believe the car situation, but time it might

509
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: be they might have like I mean, there might be

510
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: a road that crosses somewhere upstream and they could have

511
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: like you know, tied locks to the car and driving

512
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: it into the river and just floating down stream. That

513
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: seems like an immense amount of effort just to get

514
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: rid of a car. Yeah, so I don't know about

515
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: the car, but definitely logs. And then you know, just

516
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: like natural stuff that goes down the river, twigs, raberry rocks,

517
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: that's a great place to get rid of a body.

518
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: Joe again, like the dumping of bodies, you really wear

519
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: the kid news that this is really far away, so

520
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: like you would have to actively go Yeah, Okay, I'll

521
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: have to get rid of my body somewhere closer, because

522
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: getting a body into a suitcase and onto the airplane

523
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: to fly to Minnesota is like, you know, it's difficulty.

524
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: So no, no worries. I'm not actually going to do it.

525
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: So they okay, so they dumped all this stuff down

526
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: this kettle, right, and literally none of it has resurfaced

527
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: ever ever, so they can't. They don't see if I'm

528
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: coming out somewhere in the lake. No ping pong balls

529
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: aren't mysteriously appearing in Lake Superior. And I can imagine logs.

530
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: Nobody could tell, right, I mean, and that's fair. But

531
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, I guess the other thing that people bring

532
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: up in this situation, right, is that it hasn't backed up.

533
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: There's not like a natural dam that's happened. So it

534
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be like filtering things, right, It's not

535
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: just like going underwater into just natural water table or

536
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: anything like that. You would think it eventually they crap

537
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: down there that it was clogged the thing. Yeah, and

538
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: it's you know, this has been around for thousands of

539
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: thousands of years, have been around for a long time. Yeah,

540
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: so's it would have naturally backed up if it were

541
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: filtering this stuff out. Okay, I guess they're they're problems

542
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: with the underground river theory. First, Um, the rock that

543
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: comprises this riverbed is like really really hard, and so

544
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: the underground river theory. Just to make sure I understand

545
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: how this is working. You're saying that it's going down

546
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: and it's hitting basically the water tables. So will know

547
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: there are a couple of theories, and we're going to

548
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of Okay, I just want to understand the und

549
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: People pretty much don't think that it hits the water

550
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: table because it would have backed up in this end

551
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: of dams, so like we would see more water, it

552
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: would have been slower, or like we would see it

553
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: falling into a lake or something like that, or overflowing

554
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: out of the hole. Yeah. So people are pretty much

555
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: not saying that it just hits the water table and

556
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: is in any way. They're saying that it's like a

557
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: river and ostensibly in like all lava tube in the

558
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: place now and the place where this happens where the

559
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: double kettle is, how high above the elevation of Lake Superior,

560
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: is that I think it's only Yeah, well, no, I

561
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: think it's more than it's it's not. I mean, it's

562
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: a mile and a half away. I think this is

563
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: the last fall much it's Yeah, I know. I know

564
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: some people that actually explored an underground river in Guatemala,

565
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: as you know, and it's like it took him. It

566
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: was a huge expedition. Yeah. So underground rivers are I think,

567
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: honestly the most solid theory, right, so I kind of

568
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about that, okay, Okay, I was just

569
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: trying to understand how that works, right, so that it

570
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: would be through Mostly Mainly, the most viable theory I've

571
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: heard is that it hits it's like a lava tube.

572
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: It's a hole in the ground. Somehow they're flowing down. Okay,

573
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I can run with that. I'm sorry. Didn't mean that

574
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: there's a river itself, like it continues on as there

575
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: a point in the river where suddenly there's a whole

576
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: bunch of more water in it. Nope, not, as far

577
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: as anyone can tell, there any mysterious rivers that just

578
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: pop out of the ground anywhere nearby. No, Okay, I'm

579
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: going to solve this mystery. Yeah. Um, it's in the

580
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: in the in the middle of Oregon. Central Oregon. There's

581
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: a river called the Metolius River, which, in cosmological terms,

582
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: it's just right next door to double scale Falls. So

583
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: the Metolius is really a pretty unique river in the

584
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: sense that most rivers start off that's just little trickles,

585
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, like a larger body, little trickles that turned

586
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: into little streams that turned into creeks and they all

587
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: joined together, and so basically, you know, a bunch of

588
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: little streams come together and form a river. The Metolius

589
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: is unique in that it just pops up out of

590
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: the ground. Sound. It's not composed of a lot of

591
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: little tributaries. There's two big springs and all this water

592
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: just comes pouring out of these springs and heads on downstream.

593
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: So Joe's theory is that somehow this water makes it

594
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: several thousands through a few ranges of mountains, negating all

595
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: laws of physics that we know. Well, have you not

596
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: heard of interdimensional travel? Okay, so let's just go ahead

597
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: and like work, Yeah, let's go Okay. It's interesting though,

598
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: the Metolius is actually kind of the inverse of this river. Yeah,

599
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: it really is the first thing that I want to

600
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: bring up with the like underground river theory is that

601
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: the rock that comprises this riverbed is really really hard,

602
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: like rylite and basalt. I think that's how you pronounced that, right, right, Like, yeah, no,

603
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: I know the salt is super hard. I'm familiar with that.

604
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Hilight is actually harder than so you can say, but Devin,

605
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: you're you're saying, I mean, maybe there's a fault line

606
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: that crushed the rock into more permeable pebbles, and that

607
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: was fine, and that's totally a thing, right, right, but

608
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: not in Minnesota, not northern Minnesota. The problem is is

609
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: that there's no evidence to suggest a fault line other

610
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: than the fact that ever disappears. It's not just like

611
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: going into super permeable pebbles or anything like that. Does

612
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: that make sense? So the next theory would be that

613
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: there's a lava tube, which do form in basalt. Lava

614
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: tubes form in basalt, But are there any volcanoes anywhere nearby? No?

615
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, right, is that basalt forms lava

616
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: tubes by flowing down like the slope of a volcano, essentially, right,

617
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: So the shell cools faster than the inside and forms

618
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: a like a more solid Yeah, yeah, what happens is is, yeah,

619
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: they formed, they go down the hills essentially and and

620
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: and that's literally a river of lava like a stream.

621
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: And then as they go along the outside. Cool. What

622
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: happens is eventually they form a crust over the top

623
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: that cools, and that cools faster than the center of

624
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: it in the center. The center continues to flow on out.

625
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's how they're formed. But in this

626
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: particular case, if there's been has there're been any volcanic catholics, Well,

627
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: so the basalt that formed in this area is it's

628
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it's called. I gotta be honest

629
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: with you, but it's formed by lava oozing out of

630
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: like a fissure and just like it uses out and

631
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: show yeah I did that. I did that. So that

632
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: basalt is like super hard, just sheets. It doesn't have

633
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: any kind of tube system. There's no evidence for any

634
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of tube system. And I think the because I

635
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: read that and I was reading how that kind of

636
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: lava works, and it took me a bit and I

637
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: was like, well, the lava's lava. But yeah, the way

638
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I would describe it is like, so a fisher is

639
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: just like basically just like a big old cut in

640
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: the earth. Right, So it's a cut that like opened

641
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: up and the blood is like or the lava is

642
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: oozing out, as opposed to like a puncture wound, which

643
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: would form. Would that would you say? That's fairly fairly

644
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: accurately to describe it in like a kind of gross

645
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: term if there's volcanic activity nearby, right, but we don't

646
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: want it. It was like, you know, millions of years ago,

647
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: it was just like a fissure. There wasn't any volcanic activity.

648
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: It was just that like you know, the earth split

649
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: open at one point and it flowed out into this

650
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: big sheeta basically. Yeah, So I guess even if we

651
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: ignore the science of this, right, you know, the problem

652
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: still persists that scientists can't figure out where this water

653
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: is just dumping out, right, you know, they need to

654
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: just dump some massive quantities of oil down and then

655
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: just and I just see where they were all. Well,

656
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: but I mean that's the problem, right, is that they've

657
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: done that with other things that are less harmful, right,

658
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: dies that are you know, I guess ostensibly don't harm

659
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: or ping pong balls, you know, things that particularly if

660
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: you were out in the middle of Lake Superior and

661
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: you're like, Wow, there's a ping pong ball, or like

662
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: there's a couple ping pong balls. You'd probably mention it

663
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: to somebody and you'd be like, yeah, they did that.

664
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Study cool, it's dumping out into Lake Superior, you know.

665
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my other problem with this is

666
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: that even if it were by some you know, like

667
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: miracle uh underground lava tube that went underground and it

668
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: didn't even dump out on the shores, right, it dumped

669
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: out like in the middle of Lake Superior. If you

670
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: dump a bunch of die or ping pong balls or

671
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: anything like that and there's flowing down this river and

672
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: it just pops out in the middle of Lake Superior,

673
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: people are going to report things like that. And the

674
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: weird thing is why hasn't this thing plugged up? Right?

675
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: That's down I think could be plugged up. You think

676
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: that would would plug it up event You know what

677
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't understand what they're why they're not doing is

678
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, you could divert that water and let that

679
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: thing up the out and then just head on down

680
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: there with the rope and see what's going on. I mean,

681
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: that's kind of my thing right now. Right there's a

682
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: YouTube video that we should link to of somebody who

683
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: went like part of the way down into this kettle

684
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: and kind of videotaped what's going on, and you can

685
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: see the river hits and it hits on the rock

686
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: and then it flows down. It just kind of looks

687
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: like one of those things where I know it's crazy

688
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: dangerous empirically in my head that it would be a

689
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: dumb idea for anybody to just like walk down that thing.

690
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: But I just want to jump down that thing and

691
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: ride it out like a stupid log ride. You're like

692
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: splash mountain and just see what is going on on

693
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: that you know. It's it's just so surprising with like

694
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: all of the technology that we have with like shockproof

695
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: cameras and things like that, that we haven't just like

696
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: boxed a camera up. We can. We can you know,

697
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: send cameras into the middle of hurricanes, so we know

698
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: we have the technology. We haven't just like throwing a

699
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: camera down there and seeing like what's going on. I have.

700
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I have two things about this, and what I what

701
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: I found really fascinating was when I was reading about

702
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: how they think the kettle itself formed, and I don't

703
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: know if either of you came across this is basically,

704
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: when water is pouring into a depression, it kind of

705
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: makes a vortex, which essentially makes a water drill, and

706
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: so the water is just drilling that hole out deeper

707
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: and deeper, which is how we got this hole. That

708
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: was and that was kind of the theory that people

709
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: were talking about, is that like it had drilled out

710
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: the really hard ryle rhyle light rhylight into a like

711
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: a slightly less hard basalt lava tube, and that that

712
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: was where everything was going. But I just don't and

713
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: then you know, there's no scientific evidence that. And limestone

714
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: is the rock that's notorious for being easily eroded by water,

715
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: But I don't like the limestones. Limestones. There's not if

716
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: I remember reading correctly, there's not a lot of limestone

717
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: out there, well, not in this area where like a

718
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: couple of thousand miles away from the thing that I

719
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: think about that I wonder about is this thing's been

720
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: there for eons. And one of the things that happened

721
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: in that area a long long time ago was there

722
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: was glaciers scraping along, which is part of how we

723
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: have the lakes, the Great Lakes that part of what

724
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: form them. So I almost wonder, and this is totally

725
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: going on a lamb, but a glacier comes through and

726
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: it scrapes a giant trough out, and then there's some

727
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: kind of volcanic activity that blows across the top and

728
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: fills it up, and so you've got a big void

729
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: the bottom. I mean, I'm totally spitball in here, but

730
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm just using two natural things to explain another natural thing. Yeah,

731
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm probably out in left field. Well, you know my

732
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: big problems with that, right, are that geologists have put

733
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: a lot of thought into this thing, and I assume

734
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: that one of them would have thought of that if

735
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: it was a viable Oh no, no, not right. I

736
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: think that I might be the first one to come up,

737
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: and I all thought thinks that, like if right, So

738
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: if you I guess it's like frosting a cake to me, Right, Okay,

739
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: so you've got this crack in your cake and you

740
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: take your frosting and what does it do? Does it

741
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: just gloss right over it? Or does it fill in

742
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: that crack and gloss over it? Doesn't fill the entire crack.

743
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: It feels fills the top. I would say, well, I

744
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: think a lot. Let's okay, I'll let's make a cake

745
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: and confirm this. Yeah, I mean, you know, that would

746
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: just be my And you know, frosting is definitely more

747
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: rigid than like, so if you're going to do like

748
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: a glaze, it definitely fills that, which would be more

749
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: and more accurate comparison. I got it. So I guess

750
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: that's I could see it being just going into a

751
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: cave and coming out somewhere else, because, like I said,

752
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: I knew people who are cavers who explored one of

753
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: these things in Guatemala. But uh, if it's not that

754
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: much of a drop to the lake though, so I

755
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, it's just hard, it's rough. I mean this, yeah,

756
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: this particular cave that they want to because the river

757
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: actual went into the side of the mountain, it just

758
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: disappeared and it came out the other side. So they

759
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: went down in wet suits and with with just tons

760
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: of rope and gears and stuff and throw petons into

761
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: the side of the case because they were vertical drops

762
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: and horizontal and then you have to go vertical drops again. Well,

763
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: and that's what I just want people to do here, right, Yeah, no,

764
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean I really, I really think you could solve

765
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: the mystery by um diverting the diverting the water and

766
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: just sending some people down on ropes with wet suits

767
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: and stuff and just go down to ways. I mean,

768
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: obviously you know you can't go down too far and

769
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: certainly you know eighty thou feet maybe alright, alright, but

770
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: shall we? Shall we move on? Or did you have

771
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: any more on this? That's all I have. No, I

772
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just it's a mystery. People are stealing

773
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: on our water again, man people. Oh and before I

774
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: forget um, this was a listener's suggestion to Tom, right,

775
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: I think it's been a while anyway, Thanks Tom. Thanks Tom. Okay,

776
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: well now we've got we've got mine, which I cheated.

777
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't pick one hole. I have sixty

778
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: nine hundred of them. I'm sorry, we're only going to

779
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: talk about three holes. Hello. Yeah, well you added that

780
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: other goofy one in the beginning. I stuck to my gun.

781
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well I cheated. We have to talk about it.

782
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: What I found is the band of holes in Peru. Okay,

783
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: all right, I'll give you a path on this one

784
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: because it is just basically one giant string of holes.

785
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: What we've got here is it's like I said, the

786
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: band of holes is sixty nine hundred uniform holes in

787
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: the ground there in the Pisco Valley, which is on

788
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: the Nasca Plateau, which is in Peru. Uh and the

789
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: Nasca Plateau people have probably heard about it. That's where

790
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: the Nasca Lines are, those giant lines that are carved

791
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: on the top of a plateau that when you see

792
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: the satellite you see they're like birds and weird stuff.

793
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: That is it the Aztecs that people think about. Those

794
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: The Aztecs were in Mexico. So the Inca Inca, thank you.

795
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: That's that's who it is. So this is in an

796
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: area that's known for doing huge scale things. Yeah, huge scale,

797
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: strange things. Yeah, the Incas did a lot of interesting stuff.

798
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: They did. They did a lot of interesting pointless stuff. Well,

799
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: the this plateau is about to give you kind of

800
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: a reference. If you look on a map and Peru,

801
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: you'll find the town of Piececo. It's about fifteen miles

802
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: giver take east of Piececo. Is where it's at. Is

803
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: that where a Piececo sour originated I don't know. Probably, Okay,

804
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: let's just say yes, alright, alright, somebody out there do

805
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: a google on that. We're too lazy. So the band

806
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: of holes extends for about a mile or so, and

807
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: it's it runs north south and it runs over uneven

808
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: mountain surface. Is it approximately north south or is it

809
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: actually north south? It's approximates, it's not. It's not an

810
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: actual straight line, and they're not a perfectly straight line,

811
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: unlike all the other stuff that's on the top steel.

812
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: The grouping of holes because they're they're drilled into the ground.

813
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: To use the word drilled into the ground inappropriately incorrectly,

814
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: is it's a series of holes. So they can be

815
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: six to ten in a row next to each other.

816
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: It varies between how many across. Yes, yes, absolutely, and

817
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: that can that band of holes can be anywhere from

818
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty ft across, because the holes themselves are

819
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: typically about six or seven feet across, and anywhere from

820
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: six or se having feet deep to just a few

821
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: inches deep. Here's the weird thing about a few inches deep.

822
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: I was trying to find how people determine that they

823
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: were a few inches deep, and I couldn't find any

824
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: solid science on it, but they look like they're crumbling

825
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: and they're falling apart, and they're kind of collapsing. So

826
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: I think that when people say there are a few

827
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: inches deep, they mean these holes have kind of filled in,

828
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: So all this left is a couple inch depression in

829
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: the ground. In some places, the holes, like I said,

830
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: they're about anywhere between six to ten holes across, and

831
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: they're in a perfectly rigid line. So a set of

832
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: holes directly after to set of holes. Sometimes they start

833
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: to break apart and they widen a little bit. Remember

834
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: I said it went from twenty to thirty feet across,

835
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: So they get a little bit irregular, and they're placing

836
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: and there they start kind of going straight up the

837
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: hill and then they bend and we're talking up the

838
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: upper mountains, so they're kind of going over ridges and

839
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: back and forth. If you were looking out on the map,

840
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: think of it left or right east to west essentially,

841
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: So they and they twist and they turn. So it's

842
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: really weird that it's just this whole series of lines

843
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: that just go up and eventually they come to a

844
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: saddle is the term that I would use in the mountain.

845
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: It's where two ridges are two sections come together and

846
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: form that that V and they stop. That's the end

847
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: of them. Maybe their tools broke. I gotta say and

848
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: courage all of our listeners to go out and look

849
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: at the aerial satellite photos of this, because it's fascinating,

850
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: it really and it's like it looks like a wide

851
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: road from the From the almost it kind of does,

852
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: except that when you get into the when you start

853
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: looking at the satellite imagery and you start looking at roads,

854
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: they're very different because it's this is a series of

855
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: pock marks, is a phrase that I would use in

856
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: the landscape of the mountain, and then a road would

857
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: be nice and smooth. It's kind of it's not really obviously,

858
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: it's not a road. They've been there so long that

859
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: the indigenous people have no idea where they came from.

860
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: The people who live in the region, they just, oh, yeah,

861
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: they've always been there. They've just always That's always one

862
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: of the really interesting things to me, because I feel

863
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: like Indigenous people are really good at coming like they

864
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: have lower surrounding things like that, right, and that like

865
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: this is such a massive undertaking that had their people,

866
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: their ancestors created it, had there been any kind of

867
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: ownership of it in their history at all, they would

868
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: have heard about it. And so it's so interesting because

869
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that means that like the people

870
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: who created this are just like they're gone, they're gone,

871
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: long gone. But they don't even have descendants, right that

872
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: know of it anymore. Yeah, And that's that's exactly. They've

873
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: been there for so long that nobody knows. It's just

874
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: been there there. So it was is it possible this

875
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: is this was a quarrying operation. Maybe they were just

876
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: cutting out rock to using projects. Well, I don't know

877
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: that they would be. I mean, think about it's a

878
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: six or seven foot across hole. So if you're cutting

879
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: a pillar out at places this is at essentially a

880
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: forty five degree angle. Is the mountain face. It seems

881
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: like a bad place to be digging columns of rock out,

882
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: and it seems like you could quarry it somewhere that's

883
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: a little more accessible. Yeah, And also obviously you want

884
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: to quarry is close to wherever you're building your thing exactly,

885
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: and so there's no ruins around there right well, And

886
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: and that's something that we're going to get into that

887
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: is part of one of the theories that I couldn't substantiate.

888
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: But let's just we'll just take the theories from the top. Sure,

889
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: there's a couple, uh some better than others. The first

890
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: one is that people have hypothesized that these were storage

891
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: containers for grain. Just makes exactly zero sense. That you're

892
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: exactly right. No capstones have ever been found. Because if

893
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a hole in the ground to store grain,

894
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: you want to protect it. You got to remember the

895
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: altitude that we're at, it's pretty dry, and therefore things

896
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: last longer when they're buried in the ground, so you'd

897
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: have a better record of them. No record of grain

898
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: has ever been found in these holes. People have dug

899
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: around and tried to figure it out, and there's you know,

900
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: whatever the local grain is. I'm not it's not wheat.

901
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: But let's just say if they were using wheat, you

902
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: would think you would find wheat seed. Yeah, but like

903
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: and just why why why would you build a building? Yeah,

904
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: or like make it wider? Why it's like very small,

905
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: very long? Well, you would think, you mean, because grain

906
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: is being grown all over the place. If this was

907
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: a typical way of storing it, then you would find

908
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: this whole scattered all hither and yon, it wouldn't be

909
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: in one place in a mile long wye. And at

910
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: the base of this mountain. It is amazing to look

911
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: at the satellite imagery because it is this baron rock

912
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: face and then suddenly lush greenery at the base where

913
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: it opens up. There's just no good reason. There's no

914
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: good reason. And you want to store your stuff in

915
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: like similar climates, you know, like up a mountain, in

916
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: the bottom of the mount Yeah. Yeah, So then people say, well,

917
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: maybe they're individual graves to put people to put to

918
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: bury people in the same thing with the grain. Not

919
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: a single human remain has been found in any of

920
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: the holes. And these are they dug in? What's the

921
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: soil like there? Is it dirt or is it solid?

922
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: They're carving him in a rock face. So yeah, I

923
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: guess that The only thing I would say is like

924
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: ashes that could have been blown away, But it just

925
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: seems like a lot. But if I'm if I'm putting

926
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: the ashes of my ancestors and the bodies of my

927
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: ancestors into a hole, wouldn't I want to cover them? Well?

928
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: Maybe not. I mean, you know, different cultures have different

929
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: There's the sky burials with stuff like old that we

930
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,479
Speaker 1: literally have no idea where it came from. Who knows

931
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: what those people believed. That's very true, but it's still

932
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: a little weird. Yeah, very Now the next one is

933
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: he next theory even weirder. Uh, And I gotta laugh

934
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: at the internet right now. So one person made mention

935
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: in their article about how it looked like coreing holes

936
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: or pilot holes that will be done for mining to

937
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: see what's in the rock and in the soil. Somebody said,

938
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: and I quote to this Texas Boy, it looks like

939
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: what a drilling rig would do. I do laugh at

940
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: the Internet because that really made it hard for me

941
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 1: to find new information because every site I started doing

942
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: a find on for the words Texas Boy, because there

943
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: was a lot of prodigious copying and pasting on the internet.

944
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: But it but people are saying, well, you know, maybe

945
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: it's an alien civilization that came to this planet at

946
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: one time and they were doing samples up the mountain

947
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: to see if there was anything in the rock that

948
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: they wanted to use, and they found nothing and they

949
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: left either that they finally found something useful and then

950
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: they minded out and carefully covered it back up, I got. Yeah.

951
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: My problem with that is that like they would have

952
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: done that other places too. They were done all over

953
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: the place and not just in that one spot. And

954
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: that's the huge samples I like. Okay, to be fair,

955
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how giant these alien rigs were, right,

956
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: but like that's a huge sample site just be going

957
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: up and like it's not like the dirt is going

958
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: to change in like the four ft in between. Yeah,

959
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: that's so. Yeah. Those those first three theories, yeah, they're

960
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: pretty well kicked off. Okay, Okay. The next one says

961
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: that it was created by an ancient civilization. Okay, yes,

962
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: but for what we don't know, huh. And here is

963
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: why everyone loves to point out when they are looking

964
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: at it, that we've got the Nasca Peninsula and we've

965
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: got Machu Picchu, which is relatively close to this area.

966
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but I'm just saying in the

967
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: region there like the hugest of the area's let's just

968
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how many miles, but let's not worry

969
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: about that. But there was a lot of really intricate

970
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: building going on at that time. And one of the

971
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: things that people point out is you remember that. And

972
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: I know I showed you two is and everybody who

973
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: looks at the satellite images that saddle where the whole

974
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: the band of holes suddenly ends to me in the imagery,

975
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if it was just rock outcroppings or

976
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: it almost looked like there was some spots of sections

977
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: of holes. But this outcropping, the saddle almost looks like

978
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: a slow up of the mountain came down. And right, Yeah,

979
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: there are images out there where people will say, look

980
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: at this piece of rock. It looks black in this

981
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: section of rock, which is hundreds of feet across, and

982
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: they're saying it looks blackened, as if there was an

983
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: explosion or maybe maybe alien landing site and they just

984
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: burned it with their rockets. Right. Uh, so I showed

985
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: you two. There's no blackening. I'm using air quotes. You're

986
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: blackening of the soil. I'm afraid. I think that's actually

987
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: a little bit of photoshopping. I think maybe somebody did

988
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: some contrast adjustments and just made it look what they

989
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: wanted to look like. But they're also in those same articles,

990
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: there's another image they show of these blocky, ruinous structures.

991
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: It looks like blocky, ruinous structures and kind of ravines

992
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: or carve outs in the mountain. I couldn't find that.

993
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: I looked around, I looked all in that area. I

994
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: spent probably an hour combing across the map. I couldn't

995
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: find it. But people say, well, based on the blackening

996
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: and this ruined city that we find, we think that

997
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: it's similar. It's the same culture that that built Machu

998
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: Picchu and the Nasca lines. But I can't finding that.

999
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's in the same area

1000
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: or how zoomed in somebody was. It really raises a

1001
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: lot of red flags for me. Have you done did

1002
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: you do any looking for archaeological sites in Peru see

1003
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: if the any of the because I mean obviously these

1004
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: things that there were ruins, they would be there would be. Yeah,

1005
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: And and that was exactly I couldn't. I couldn't find it.

1006
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it as I looked around. I again,

1007
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that I think that because here's what would

1008
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: happen is people would show that image of this supposed

1009
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: ruined site and then Machu Peachu, and they would show

1010
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: how the structures, the squares, the buildings and the stones

1011
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: were kind of similar, but I could never find him.

1012
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's not invention finding

1013
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: what you want to find. Yeah, I'm not going to

1014
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: point a finger and say somebody's outright lying, but I

1015
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: couldn't find it to back it up. So I I

1016
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: worry about that that this whole it's it was a

1017
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: city by an alien civilization that then was bombed at

1018
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: an ancient civilization, which I read a really interesting article recently,

1019
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: which I will definitely be talking about with you guys

1020
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: at least, and hopefully we'll be able to formulate a

1021
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: show out of it about this whole ancient civilization, ancient

1022
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: anything aliens kind of. But it was very, very interesting.

1023
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, we've talked about this before,

1024
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we will continue to talk about the

1025
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: fact that there's strong proof of highly intelligent ancient cultures.

1026
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: Even in North America. There's the Clovis culture, There's like,

1027
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, cultures that we are we hardly have any

1028
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: record of it all. Yeah. Absolutely, they're just getting civilization

1029
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: going back a long long time and they're just so

1030
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: old though we don't have But I think that this

1031
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: sort of thing really degrades that argument, you know, it

1032
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: just it's looking for some stuff that doesn't exist, and

1033
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 1: it just it always makes me really sad when people

1034
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: trying to make these claims, because it's like you're really

1035
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: just like weakening the argument because you're just looking for whatever.

1036
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: And of course, like a satellite image, you zoom in enough,

1037
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna get picks. Late enough, you're gonna be like, oh, look,

1038
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: totally rock outcropping like square buildings. No, it's pixels. Calm down.

1039
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: But also it could not be. But there is one

1040
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say theory, but a

1041
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: fable that supposedly explains the band holes. And I can't

1042
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: find anywhere that says that this fable is in X

1043
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: record or Y record. I can't. I can't lock it

1044
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: into where it came from. But there is a fable

1045
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: that people say explains why the holes are there, and

1046
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe it is from the indigenous people. But Devin, if

1047
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: you don't mind, could you read the paple for us,

1048
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: since it's a quick one. It's yeah, I can, I

1049
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: can read it. Okay, everybody ready for storytime? Story Time

1050
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: thousands of years ago in a valley, in a place

1051
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: that we now called Peru, there lived a large community

1052
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: of nymphs. For a long time, they lived happily among

1053
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: the trees and rivers, until one year there was a drought.

1054
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: The revers started to dry up and the trees began

1055
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: to die. The nymphs knew that they had to make

1056
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: an offering to the rain god, and they knew what

1057
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Speaker 1: he loved the most was the music. What they couldn't

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Speaker 1: figure out was how to get the music on the

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Speaker 1: earth to reach the guy's above where the rain guy lived.

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Speaker 1: They tried singing, but their voices were not loud enough,

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Speaker 1: and neither were their musical instruments. They tried making bigger

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Speaker 1: and louder instruments, but nothing worked. Finally, one young nymp

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Speaker 1: had an idea. She began digging a big hole in

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Speaker 1: the ground, and once she was finished, she stretched several

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Speaker 1: long reads tightly over the surface. When she plucked the reads,

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Speaker 1: the sound produced was louder and more magical than any

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Speaker 1: of the other musical instruments in the world. All the

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Speaker 1: other nymphs followed her lead, and within a few hours

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Speaker 1: the whole valley was covered in large hole holes reads

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Speaker 1: stretched over their surfaces. The nymphs began to play their

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Speaker 1: new instruments together, and for hours and hours they produced

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Speaker 1: one beautiful melody after another, till the music reached all

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Speaker 1: the way up into the skies. At last, the rains

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Speaker 1: came and they lived once again in peace. To this day.

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Speaker 1: The large holes can be seen in the Pisco Valley

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Speaker 1: in Peru. Wow. And evidently the moral of that story

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Speaker 1: is creativity can help you through a tough challenge. I

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Speaker 1: guess so. So has anybody ever tried to replicate that

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: by stretching large reads over the holes and seeing I

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00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: think could play music just like jumping on in the

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: holes over and and if they could do it, nothing

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Speaker 1: I know of. So, but basically, in the I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's as far as it goes. We don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're a mile or a couple of

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Speaker 1: miles long, this band of holes. It meanders up the

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Speaker 1: mountain until it disappears, and we have no idea why

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Speaker 1: they're there. You know, it seems like the people in

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: that area seemed to like to create stuff that would

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Speaker 1: be visible to from the eye of God, like the

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Speaker 1: NASCAR lines, you know, all those all those things that

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Speaker 1: they did, right, the men and mysterious creatures, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean they created those because they wanted to, you know,

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Speaker 1: create this piece of art that God could see up

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Speaker 1: in heaven. And so this might be kind of in

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Speaker 1: line with the same sort of things that they wanted

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Speaker 1: to create something that would be visible from heaven. And

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Speaker 1: maybe this was their first attempt at it, and they

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01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: realized that the series of holes, it's like stipling in art.

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Speaker 1: You know, you do a series of dots and they

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01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: do another series of dots, and it kind of looks

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01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: like that. But maybe they figured out that that is

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Speaker 1: way too much effort rather than just digging a shallow trend.

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Speaker 1: It was something I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one's the head scratcher, that kind of And you know,

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01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: you guys know me well enough to know that I

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01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: always have like a theory that I really like. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of the other interesting things about it is when

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Speaker 1: you look at those things to the satellite photographs, is

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Speaker 1: that they go along in this in this perfect in

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Speaker 1: these perfect rows, and then they'll stop and there'll be

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Speaker 1: a break. Uh, not not too huge of a break,

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Speaker 1: but it's very visible. They say, A one line of holes. Yeah, yeah,

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01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: a couple of lines of holes are missing, and then

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: they start up again, and they keep going and nets again.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a mysterious thing. Yeah, it's it's obviously weird,

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01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: but it's it's a weird. But that, ladies and gentlemen,

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01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: is the whole story. I've been hanging onto that all week. Yeah. So,

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01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: but they have have they dug down any deeper to

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Speaker 1: see if there's anything underneath these things, not that I'm

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Speaker 1: aware of. I don't think that they've actually dug down

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Speaker 1: deeper than the holes. I imagine that they're kind of

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: never protected site and they just don't let, you know,

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Speaker 1: regular old Yahoo's hop in there with a shovel and

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01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: start digging. I mean, okay, regular old Yahoo's, but like

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Speaker 1: we're regular old Yahoo's. Yeah, but like, yeah, archaeologists must

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01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 1: be fascinated by this, right, I would think so, Yeah,

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: I think so. I don't know, it's just yeah, archaeologist,

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Speaker 1: I want to go down there and do some digging,

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: or at least you go down there with metal detector there,

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: some ground penetrating radar stuff like that and see what

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: you can figure out. Yeah, that'd be a good idea. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that that Ladies and Gentlemen. Is the end of

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Speaker 1: this particular series for the show. I hope you like

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01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: three in a row. Let us know what your thoughts are. Yeah,

1135
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: if you like them? Uh, now all the information about

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Speaker 1: these stories and be on the website. That website, as always,

1137
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can listen to

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: the show there, or you can go ahead and leave

1139
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: a comment if you want to talk to us about stuff.

1140
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: You can always find our shows on Stitcher, so if

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01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: you didn't get a chance to download it, you can

1142
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: just stream it right off of any mobile device. We're

1143
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: also on Facebook, so we've got our Facebook page so

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: you can find us and like us. We've also got

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Speaker 1: the group, which still didn't have a lot of activity,

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: but it's there. Folks want to chat, and of course,

1147
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: if you want to go ahead and send us an email,

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01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: please by all means do email address is Thinking Sideways

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01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: podcast at gmail dot com. Obviously, to tonight's stories came

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: out of listener suggestions, which is fantastic. And uh, is

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01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: there anything else that I've been missing? I feel like

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: we have some listener mail. Uh, well, I haven't seen

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01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: any emails that have backed up. Oh well, okay, I'm sorry.

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: We have our like an iTunes review that I really

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01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: liked that I wanted to read. Oh I haven't been

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01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: on I've looked at iTunes in a while. Oh well

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: I'll read it. That's fine, fine, fine, fine, okay. So,

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Speaker 1: as you know, being an iTunes review, it's like pretty anonymous, right,

1159
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: but it's titled Overheard Conversations at mcmanimums. That says, if

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Speaker 1: you've ever finished off a ruby in the setting Portland's Sun,

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: you may have heard the perky, educated female, the excitable hipster,

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01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: and the more laid back older gentleman conversing intelligently on

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01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: numerous subjects while having a good time. This podcast hits

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: it all. I've been a long time Mysterious Universe listener

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01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: and thinking sidewits hits those subjects while feeling like you

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01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: just walked in on your old friends talking enjoyable, friendly

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01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: and a wide range of topics, which I just I

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Speaker 1: love this. I think, like, not only this person is

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Speaker 1: like from our area, right, he's calling me perky and educated,

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Speaker 1: which I long is this a guy or a girl?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't tell it just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just assume he on the internet. Exactly assume she

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01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: but I guess. Okay, anyway, so yeah, this person is educated,

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: so and you know I just what um okay, so

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Speaker 1: you're the educated young lady Perkey and cadd and Joe

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: is what the older laid back, laid back older gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: So that leaves me the decitable hipster. Well okay, alright,

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01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: so I admit that I'm excitable, and you know I

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01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: I wear cool hats when you're what I've been doing.

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: I've been doing that since before it was cool. But crap,

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01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: and you drink. Maybe are your graphic designer. You don't

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01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: wear skinny pants? So no, I don't wear Okay, no,

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Speaker 1: I I do that. That is a great review and

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01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that. Yeah, that's for anybody who's knows

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01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: Portlands or mcmanimons. That is a spot on description of

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Speaker 1: what I guess this show is the person who wrote that,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. I guess that's fantastic. That's right.

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01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: You were saying at the top of the show that

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Speaker 1: like people were asking for a description of what we are. Boom.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm going to go around saying

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Speaker 1: I'm an excitable hitster and I'm not older, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not really a gentleman, all right, I guess the description

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01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: applies to me and me only. Alright, perky educated young lady.

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Speaker 1: There we go, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Well, that

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Speaker 1: is the end of what we've got do. Let us know, though,

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Speaker 1: if you like the Today's Show, if you like having

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01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 1: a number of smaller stories packed into one episode, we

1198
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: we'd like to try these things out, so let us

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Speaker 1: know what you think. That having been said, we're going

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Speaker 1: to call it a night, So thanks a lot. We'll

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Speaker 1: touch you next week. It's the lizard people, I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: stealing our water. Stupid lizard people.