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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Too Much Information, the show that brings

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Speaker 1: you the secret histories, a little known facts behind your

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Speaker 1: favorite movies, music, TV shows and more. We are your

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Speaker 1: dread pirate Roberts of details. You're six fingered men of minutia.

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Speaker 1: You're inconceivables of inanity, your very own personal rouss recounters

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Speaker 1: of unusual stories. My name is Jordan run Tug and

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Speaker 1: I'm Alex Hegel. And you killed our fathers prepared to die. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I had to kind of worked. Yeah. Well, folks, today,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't figured it out, we are talking about

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Speaker 1: The Princess Bride. Truly, I'd have to say, one of

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Speaker 1: the most beloved films of our lifetime. You know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's an overused cliche to say a movie has something

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Speaker 1: for everyone, but this one truly does. It's thrilling, but lighthearted, funny,

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Speaker 1: but I've also shed a tear. It goes down easy

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Speaker 1: when you're a kid. There's more than enough meat for adults.

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Speaker 1: There's row Man's Adventure fantasy, there's swashbuckling whatever that is.

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Speaker 1: She said that like it was a Jewish meal. Yeah, swashbuckling.

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Speaker 1: There we go. And then there's also the guy who

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Speaker 1: played Colombo. There's the kid who played Kevin Arnold in

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Speaker 1: The Wonder Years. There's Robin Wright. There's Wallace Sean, There's

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Speaker 1: Billy Crystal, there's Andre the Freaking Giant. All written by

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Speaker 1: the guy who wrote Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

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Speaker 1: and directed by Meathead from All in the Family. Where else?

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Speaker 1: I ask you, are you going to get that kind

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Speaker 1: of lineup nowhere in the damn world? That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I have nothing especially intelligent to say about this movie.

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Speaker 1: I remember enjoying it as a kid, and my memories

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Speaker 1: of it remain pure and honestly, that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: highest compliment I can pay a piece of pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Yepigl What do you think? Just a great film, just

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Speaker 1: a great solid if you'd like if you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's the Rooky Bobby. If you don't choose Big Regred,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like The Princess Pride, you yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't know how empty

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Speaker 1: you're dead inside you'd have to be to not enjoy

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Speaker 1: this film. I mean, it's uh, I guess more than

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Speaker 1: me apparently, And I'm a pretty but I'm pretty tried.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty tried up. Um. Yeah, it hits on every level.

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Speaker 1: It's well written by one of the greatest ever to

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Speaker 1: do it. H nobody's you know, going Daniel day Lewis,

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Speaker 1: but everybody's likable and charming and well cast, and it

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Speaker 1: pacings great. Uh. It's not doing like especially dizzying or

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Speaker 1: virtuosic camera work, but it's also not like inert or flat.

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Speaker 1: It's got production design that's good but doesn't distract practical effects. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it moves along at a good clip. And yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: no notes. I I if anything, when I balked a

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Speaker 1: little when you pitched it. It's just because I like

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Speaker 1: when BuzzFeed started to reach critical mass in like twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, I just started blanching every time I would

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Speaker 1: see this come up in there, like Quiz and like

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Speaker 1: Listical and gift round up endless gray slurry of content

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Speaker 1: that they were serving and still do. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's just because it's a great movie, because it's

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Speaker 1: so damn good. Yeah. I love movies that make fun

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Speaker 1: of a genre while also being wildly successful of that genre.

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Speaker 1: I think Shaun of the Dead is another one of those,

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Speaker 1: like it makes fun of horror movies, but it's genuinely

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Speaker 1: scary at points. This what we do in the Shadows, Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes yeah. The Princess Briane is a traditional, classic love

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Speaker 1: story told in the classic tradition of fairytale storytelling. Yet

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Speaker 1: it also makes fun of all that, and it reminds

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Speaker 1: me of Shrek also, and the fact that it's this

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Speaker 1: very self aware of self effacing fantasy. And maybe Patinken,

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Speaker 1: who played the immortal Nico Montoya, had a great line

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Speaker 1: Autour Rob Reiner. He said that Rob told them what

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Speaker 1: I really want the actors to do in this movie

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Speaker 1: to Mandy, this one card was the twinkle in our eye.

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Speaker 1: The one card was the fun we knew was underneath

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Speaker 1: everything we were saying, there was always a little secret,

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Speaker 1: and that secret was the fun. I thought that was great.

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Speaker 1: annoying way. Yeah, nobody's mugging. Yes, yes, yeah. TikTok star

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Speaker 1: Sean Penn for his life. But you know that wasn't

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Speaker 1: her fault. She just brushed up against a bad person.

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Speaker 1: was he wrote about him at people that got himself

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Speaker 1: pissed off, And then I said he wasn't a journalist. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: right side of history there. Yeah. Well, from a physic

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Speaker 1: Here's everything you didn't know about the Princess Bride. Whenever

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Speaker 1: for that, for that weird corner of our fan base.

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Speaker 1: Keep yours out, fans, The film version of The Princess

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Speaker 1: Bride is based on the book of the same name

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Speaker 1: by William Goldman. And if you are a film buff,

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Speaker 1: you are certainly familiar with this man's name. And if

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Speaker 1: you're not, he has shaped it to a twentieth century

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Speaker 1: cinema in many, many ways. He's better known as a

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Speaker 1: screenwriter than a novelist, but he's He's one oscars for

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Speaker 1: have you read his book on screenwriting? He also wrote

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Speaker 1: a literal Well that's his memoir, right, or doesn't he

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Speaker 1: which I read. Actually, I think like after I saw

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Speaker 1: What do you want it to be about. One of

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Speaker 1: I said, that'll be the title. The book was published

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Speaker 1: it a kind of not just the satirical edge that's

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Speaker 1: So the book made its way to a number of

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Speaker 1: Kerry Els, who plays Westley, was given the book by

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Speaker 1: in a row. Ryner quickly learned that many before him

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Speaker 1: a film. In fact, it had something of a reputation

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Speaker 1: around Hollywood as a cursed project. Jordan Clue was down

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Speaker 1: another cursed project rolling around Hollywood at the time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: probably one of the most famous supposedly cursed scripts Hollywood history.

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Speaker 1: Cursed Excuse Me is attic, which is a fish out

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Speaker 1: of water comedy about an Inuit trying to make it

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Speaker 1: So John Belushi, who I think was rumored to have

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Speaker 1: like Jim Stemon, not thing I thought we were going

422
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: to bring up on this episode, but there we go,

423
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: and this brings us to Heigel's pirate corn. Yeah, fans

424
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: of the movie know that ELA's character Wesley is also

425
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: known as the dread Pirate Roberts, an inherited title passed

426
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: down from one swashbuckling ne'er do well to swashbuckling ne'er

427
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: do Well, although I don't think pirates had shields. Once again,

428
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: now that we've learned the true meeting of the word swashbuckling.

429
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: But actually, funnily enough, the dread pirate Roberts was actually

430
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: a real guy born Bartholomew Roberts, arguably the most successful

431
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: pirate in history, who was born in sixteen eighty two,

432
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: and he captured over four hundred ships during his relatively

433
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: brief career. Those are Jordan piracy stats, Michael Jordan. Yes,

434
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: not me. I have never captured a ship for all

435
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: my love of Titanic. Wait, I just want to crunch

436
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: the numbers on this though. He died at age forty,

437
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: So at what age do you qualify to be a

438
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: true pirate twenty eighteen twenty. Just to keep it sure,

439
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: I feel like those, I feel like younger, but go nuts.

440
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: So let's say he started like pirrating at the level

441
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: where he could capture ships on his own at age twenty.

442
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: He died at age forty. That's twenty ships a year,

443
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: So every two weeks this guy is capturing a ship,

444
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: which is amazing. And I also love the fact that

445
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: his name is Bartholi man like Bart the pirate, that

446
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: name is not gonna fly no wonder he went with

447
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: dread Pirate Roberts. Yeah, and he's uh. He was known

448
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: for his bravery, and he was also known for his

449
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: role in instituting the pirate code. He's one of the

450
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: familiar with. It's just pretty makes sense. I don't know, Yeah,

451
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: I was reading up on it. Uh, do a little

452
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: pirate pirate code reading. I do a little pirate coding. Um. Yeah.

453
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: The first one was supposedly written by a Portuguese buccaneer

454
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: also named Bartholomew, but Bart Roberts His were similar. And

455
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: this is funny, this whole thing about humidating name. It's

456
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: like Bart Roberts. It's like a town assessor, yes, local Lowell, Massachusetts,

457
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: alderman Bart Roberts. Yeah, he actually got his pirates. This

458
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: whole thing about oral transmission or transmitting of piracy is

459
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: hilarious because, as in the movie, because Roberts got his

460
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: set of pirate code from his captain Howard Davis, and

461
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: then his articles of piracy went on to influence all

462
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: the pirates under him. So there's like a grain of

463
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: reality of this pirate code. Every man has a vote

464
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: in affair of the moment has equal title to fresh provisions.

465
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: Strong liquors may use them at pleasure. Every man must

466
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: be called fairly in turn on the board of prizes.

467
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: No person to cheat at cards or dice. Lights and

468
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: candles to be put out at eight o'clock at night.

469
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: They have quiet hours. Keep your pieces, pistols and cutlass

470
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: clean and fit for service. No boy or women allowed

471
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: to desert the ship or your quarters in battle is

472
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: punishable with death. No striking one another on board. Every

473
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: man's quarrels to be ended on shore, and the musicians

474
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: have to rest on the sabbath. That's article eleven. The

475
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: rest of it's all about like divvying up Booty. I

476
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: didn't realize it was codified. Yeah, you know. Pie. There's

477
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: a really interesting book called TAZ Temporary Autonomous Zone that's

478
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: by this anarchist thinker that posits this really interesting theory

479
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: that some of the most successful implementations of like anarchist

480
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: society were like pirate islands that were set up. The

481
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: guy's name is Hakeem Bay because he was arguing that

482
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: they were like self governing, self regulating, and you know,

483
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: operated independently of any governing structure. Basically during this era,

484
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: like Pie, they would gather at like unmapped inlets, and

485
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: stuff and create these little you know, the temporary societies,

486
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: and he argued that those were successfully operating examples of

487
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: successfully operating anarchist zones, temporary autonomous zones by Hakim Bay.

488
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: I's like what we were talking about in the Chumbawamba episode,

489
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: because Chumbawamba where anarchists. Anarchists, So anarchists actually you know

490
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: this reputation in pop culture of being like these lawless people,

491
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: but they actually very much love laws who are enforcing,

492
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: they who write them and enforce them. Uh what else? Oh? Yeah,

493
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: So the dreadpirate Robert died in a battle with the

494
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: HMS Swallow off the coast of Western Africa in seventeen

495
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: twenty two when he was struck in the neck. He

496
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: was shot with a grape shot cannon and then he

497
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: bled to death on the deck of his ship. So

498
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: womp wamp. But even the Royal Navy was shocked that

499
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: they'd gotten him. This concludes high goals piracy corner. We

500
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: need like a trumpet blast? Yeah, un in there, what's

501
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: are good? What's a good piracy thing? Where's my soundboard?

502
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: I can pull up a pirate noise? Anyway? Back to casting, George,

503
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: Back to casting finding the actress to play Buttercup was

504
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: a bit more of an ordeal for Rob ryaner than

505
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: finding his Wesley. He reportedly auditioned upwards of five hundred

506
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: women for the part, and among those up for consideration

507
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: were Courtney Cox, Meg Ryan, Uma Thurman, and Whoopie Goldberg.

508
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: Author William Goldman said he'd been the visioning the character

509
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: of Buttercup as more of a carry Fisher type, but

510
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: to play what he described in his book as the

511
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: most beautiful girl in all the lands, they went with

512
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old Robin Wright, who was very much

513
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: a newcomer, though she had a small role in the

514
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six penelopiece of Ferris movie Hollywood Vice Squad.

515
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Robin Wright was chiefly known at the time for her

516
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: work on the soap opera Santa Barbara. She'd auditioned for

517
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan's previous movie, The Surer Thing, the rom com

518
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: with John Cusack, but she was turned down for just

519
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: being too young and inexperienced. So when he was called

520
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: to try out for this new Rob Ryner project, her

521
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: hopes were not high. She later told the Chicago Tribune,

522
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I know there were about five hundred other girls dying

523
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: to play the part. I had heard that Rob wanted

524
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: someone to look like Julie Christie in the film Doctor Gavago.

525
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: I didn't quite think I fit the bill, and honestly,

526
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: Rob Ryner wasn't quite so sure either. Her first audition

527
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: wasn't very great by all accounts, but then in her

528
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: second audition they asked her to read the lines in

529
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: an English accent. And though robin Wright was born in Texas,

530
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: her stepfather was British and she grew up watching Monty

531
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Python in other British comedies, so she had the accent

532
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: pretty well mastered. And Ryner was very taken with the performance,

533
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: and that was pretty much that. In a commentary at

534
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: a recent screening for The Princess Bride, he described finding

535
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: robin Wright as quote the greatest gift, and he immediately

536
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: brought her to see William Goldman to get his sign off.

537
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: And when she arrived at the author's door, the first

538
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: thing he said was, well, that's what I wrote. She's

539
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: so pretty. Robert Write herself downplayed all this somewhat in

540
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: her retelling of the story. She told Entertainment Weekly, quote,

541
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: I was literally the five hundredth ingenue to read for

542
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: rob and I think he was so exhausted at that

543
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: point he was like, oh God, just hire her. And

544
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: she also admitted to CNN that she spent the whole

545
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: shoot trying not to quote be an idiot in front

546
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: of more established actors. Oh. I don't like how self

547
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: effacing she is, but at least she had a good

548
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: time while making The Princess Bride, due in large part

549
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: to her costar, who, it must be said, was a

550
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: very handsome leading man. God he's good looking. Yeah. Robert

551
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: Wright developed a massive crush on her, Wesley Carrie. I

552
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: was describing him as quote gorgeous and the blonde zoro. Yeah.

553
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: She elaterated to Town and Country magazine in twenty fourteen,

554
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Carrie was so good looking. I was convinced we were

555
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: going to be married. And she also added I was

556
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: absolutely smitten with Carrie, so obviously that helped our on

557
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: screen chemistry. We really enjoyed one another. We made each

558
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: other laugh constantly. He was and is still hilariously funny,

559
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: and the feeling was predictably mutual as far as Carrie

560
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: was concerned. He wrote in his twenty fourteen book, As

561
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: You Wish Inconceivable Tales from the Making of The Princess Bride.

562
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: It was as if I was looking at a young

563
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: Grace Kelly. Robin was that beautiful. To be honest, I

564
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: couldn't concentrate on much of anything after that first encounter

565
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: with Robin. She was the perfect buttercup in my mind's eye.

566
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: And this is all very handy for the movie, except

567
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: for the kissing scenes, during which the two leads conspired

568
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: to flub their lines repeatedly so they would have to

569
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: kiss each other over and over again, which is adorable.

570
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah that warms my heart. Yeah, yeah, Carrie wrote, I

571
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: could have gone on shooting that scene all day, as

572
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I wanted the movie to end. It

573
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: was also a very tender way to end the movie,

574
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: sealing it with a kiss, so to speak. Everyone in

575
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: this movie is so damn likable. I love it so much.

576
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah really, yeah, and that's so pure too. It wasn't

577
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: even like they weren't even like, uh you know, uh,

578
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: they had a sort of affair and any think they

579
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: were like, we just liked kissing each other. Yeah. I

580
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: had a crush on him, And though they didn't end

581
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: up together, they both said that they remained close, and

582
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: I think that is beautiful. And now we move on

583
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: to my favorite member of the cast, Mandy Potenken as

584
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Inigo Montoya. Innigo Montoya. Yeah, and Nigo Montoya easily the

585
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: most quotable character of the movie. You gotta do it

586
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: for me, Inigo Montoya. Oh no, I'm not doing that line.

587
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't get this. You just did a

588
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: third of it. No, okay, no, no. Rob Ronner was

589
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: nicer to him than you are being to me right now.

590
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 1: He let pick any character he wanted in the script,

591
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: or at least that's what Mandy said, and Mandy felt

592
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: drawn to a Nigo. He told Entertainment Weekly for their

593
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: or history on The Princess Bride in twenty eleven. The

594
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: moment I read the script, I loved the part of

595
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: a Nigo Montoya. That character just spoke to me profoundly.

596
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: I'd lost my own father. He died at fifty three

597
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: years old from pancreatic cancer in nineteen seventy two. I

598
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: didn't think about it consciously, but I think that there

599
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: was part of me that thought, if I get that

600
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: man in black, my father will come back. I talked

601
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: to my dad all the time, during the filming and

602
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: it was very healing for me. And this intensity carried

603
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: over into the final fight scene when he stabbed Count Rugen,

604
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: the fearsome man with six fingers who'd killed his father

605
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: years before. And before they shot the scene, Mandy Patinkin

606
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: took a walk around the castle where they were filming it,

607
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: talking to his dad, saying, I'm going to write it.

608
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to right this wrong. So the line when

609
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: he thrust the sword into Count Rugen's chest and says

610
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: I want my father back. He's son of a bitch

611
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: that carried a lot of weight for him. And by

612
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: killing the Count, Mandy said he was imagining that he

613
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: was killing the cancer that had killed his father, and,

614
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: as he recalled in a making of feature for the

615
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: DVD release, for a moment when I killed him, my

616
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: father was alive and my fairy tale came true, which

617
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: is devastating and devastating. Yes, Mandi Potenkon's favorite line in

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00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: the movie occurred near the end when Inigo says, I've

619
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: been in the revenge business so long. Now that it's over,

620
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with the rest of

621
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: my life. And many later said that was a bit

622
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: how he felt as he grieved and matured following his

623
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: own father's early death. He said, quote, as a young man,

624
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I think I was in a bit of the revenge

625
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: business for far too many years of my life. And

626
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in the last ten years, I stopped

627
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: being so angry and started being a little more grateful,

628
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: literally for things like the sunrise and sunsets, and my

629
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: kids and my family and the gifts I've been given.

630
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: And then recently I saw that movie The Princess Bride.

631
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: I didn't see the whole thing. I just caught the

632
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: end of it, and I heard that line, I've been

633
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: in the revenge business for so long, i don't know

634
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: what to do with the rest of my life. As

635
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: a young man, I remember saying it, and I went

636
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: back and looked at my script to see the notes

637
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: I'd put in for that scene, and I didn't have

638
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: any notes for that line. I just said it, and

639
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize what I was saying. And then I

640
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: heard it as a grown up or whatever you want

641
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: to call me now, and it meant everything to me today.

642
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: I just think that's that's a great perspective. I love

643
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: this guy. He seems like the best. He said. He

644
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: sobbed when he first saw this movie, and when his

645
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: wife asked him why, he said, I just never thought

646
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: I'd be in a movie like this. You know, he

647
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: was a Broadway guy. He wasn't just to be in

648
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: a swashbuckling movie, and as he later observed, he was

649
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: never in a movie like this again. So it was

650
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: a really nice moment for him. According to him, the

651
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: role of Enigo Montoya is his personal favorite of everything

652
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: he's ever done throughout his entire career, obviously, and he

653
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: says that he gets his famous line hello, oh please,

654
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: no okay, hello, my name is Enigo Montoya. You killed

655
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: my father, prepared to die. He says that gets quoted

656
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: back to it by at least two or three strangers

657
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: every day of his life, and he loves it. He's

658
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: quoted as saying when it happened, I have a smile

659
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: as big as can be from one end of the

660
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: room to the other. I this man forms my heart.

661
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: I want to give Mandy Patinkin a hug. You should

662
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: see him. My mom saw him live and said he

663
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: like leads the whole crowd in a rendition of that song,

664
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: and like tells a variation of this story, like as

665
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: his live thing, where does he perform? Like is he

666
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: doing something? Yeah, he just does like spoke like ram

667
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: just it's literally just like go see Mandy Patinkn talk

668
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: like that was how she saw him. He was saying

669
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: he like came to Pennsylvania and was just like I'm

670
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: just like talked about being on Broadway, talked about that,

671
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: what was he in Homeland? Talked about Homeland right, talk

672
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: about Princess Bride, and then he like, yeah, he led

673
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: the whole crowd in that line. Oh sweet, yeah, wala Sean.

674
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Meanwhile us not quite as generous to his fans. I mean,

675
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's fine in person. He gave some quote

676
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: I think it was in a Navy Club interview where

677
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: he talks about how people say inconceivable to him all

678
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: the time, and he said something bitchy about like, oh yeah,

679
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: people think that the first person has ever done to me.

680
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: The man has anxieties, don't we all. We're gonna take

681
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: a quick break, but we'll be right back with more

682
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: too much information in just a moment. Well, higo, we've

683
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: arrived here. It is Oh, you tell us about Andre

684
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: the Giant a stretch for this one. I don't know

685
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: if you folks know this about me, but I love

686
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: the Giant. I think he's such a fascinating guy and such.

687
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: All his stories are amazing. He's truly as he was

688
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: build the ninth Wonder of the World. Is that what

689
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: they called him? Yeah? This part of his ring introduction.

690
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: In wrestling, William Goldman had Andrea Giant in mind when

691
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: he wrote the part of Physick. He used to go

692
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: to Madison Square Garden to watch Andrea during his WWF heyday.

693
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Casting director Jane Jenkins told Vice in twenty seventeen, I

694
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: asked during a meeting, so this giant guy, what are

695
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: we talking here? How big? And they told me like

696
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: Andre the Giant, And she didn't know who that was.

697
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: So her partner was like, Oh, he's literally the biggest

698
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: wrestler that there is. And she called World Wrestling Federation

699
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: to explain that they're interested in casting him from a movie,

700
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: gave him the dates that they'd be shooting, and unfortunately

701
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: their shooting schedule coincided with a wrestling match that he

702
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: was due to wrestle in Tokyo, for which he would

703
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: be paid five million dollars and they asked, will you

704
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: pay him five million dollars to be in the movie,

705
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: and Jenkins said, I don't think so. That's like half

706
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: the budget of this movie. So they pivoted. They considered

707
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: people like Liam Neeson, which is hilarious because he's tall,

708
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: but not like giant tall. He was like wirey, Yeah, yeah,

709
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: they probably would put him in prosthetics. Sure enough. Rob

710
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: Ryner was like, he's too short. So they started going

711
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: to the world of professional sports. They found a couple

712
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: of football players that they brought in. Jenkins said, I

713
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: proceeded to meet every tall person in LA and say,

714
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: if you didn't duck in to come through my doorway,

715
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: you're too short. At one point they offered the role

716
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: to Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who had previously done some acting

717
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: in Airplane. He plays himself as one of the plane's

718
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: co pilots, and one of the best scenes ask your

719
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: old man how it feels to be dragging so and

720
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: so up the court every night for forty minutes every night,

721
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: which is it'sself a riff on NFL star Elroy Hirsch's

722
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: casting in Zero Hour, the disaster movie that Airplane was spoofing,

723
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: so Kareem had had experienced in the field and he

724
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: was interested in the role, but he had to turn

725
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: it down because shooting conflicted with his NBA schedule. Lufer Rigno,

726
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: then known for playing The Incredible Hulk on TV, was floated,

727
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: as was Arnold Schwarzenegger. Early on, Arnold Schwashbuckler, Arnold schwartzen

728
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Buckler just keep riffing. But by the time come on Baby.

729
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: But by the time the movie actually got made, Schwartzenegger

730
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: was too expensive because he would have gone from the

731
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: weirdo in Pumping Iron to the terminator and Conan and

732
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: short order. And Schwartzenegers also not as tall as everyone

733
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: thinks he is. There's that amazing photo of him on

734
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: the set of I think the Second Conan when he's

735
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: standing between Kirk Will Chamberlain and Grace Jones and and

736
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: one of his stunt doubles and they're like lifting him

737
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: off the ground like he's a child. Arnold is builled

738
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: as being six two, but people have said that he

739
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: actually is closer to five ten, which is adorable. Another

740
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: big tall guy, Dutch actor Karuskin, who would go on

741
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: to play Lurch in Adam's Family, was also considered, but

742
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: he was committed to filming The Witches of Eastwick at

743
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: the time. I don't remember what he played in the

744
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: Witches of Eastwick, Satan. I don't nobably a large yeah, yeah,

745
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: a large, weird looking guy. But Jenkins told Vice that

746
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: Andre's Japan match got canceled, and so Reiner and Goldman

747
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: dropped everything to fly to Paris and meet with him.

748
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: I think they literally walked out of an audition. I

749
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: think they're like, drop hold every we gotta get get

750
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: me Andre the Giant. I came into the hotel. The

751
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: guy behind the desk said, there's a man waiting for

752
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: you at the bar. Reiner said, I walk in and

753
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: there's a large man sitting on two bar stools. He

754
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: was huge a Reiner also described him as a landmass

755
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: at one point, which is amazing. I brought him up

756
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: to the hotel room to audition him. He read this

757
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: three page scene and I couldn't understand one word. He said.

758
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: I go, oh my god, what am I going to do?

759
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: He's perfect physically for the part, but I can't understand him.

760
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: So I recorded his entire part on tape exactly how

761
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: I wanted him to do it. And he studied the tape.

762
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: He got pretty good legends of the seven foot four.

763
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: It's been debated as to whether he actually got that tall,

764
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: but he was definitely in the neighborhood seven foot four,

765
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty pound. Andre the Giant and his

766
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: various appetites are many. Three bottles of cogniac and twelve

767
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: bottles of wine gave him a buzz. When the cast

768
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: would go out to dinner, Andre would drink out of

769
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: a forty ounce beer pitcher filled with a mix of liquors,

770
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: which was a concoction that he called the American and

771
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: according to Robin Wright, he ordered four appetizers and five

772
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: entrees for himself. There was a story that he ran

773
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: up a forty grand bar tab at one point during

774
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: the filming of this. That probably wasn't even his highest

775
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: like when he was entertaining people, he probably got it

776
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: higher than that. He hated the food that was on set,

777
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: so he would take his week off to drive to

778
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: France and bring back his favorite French foods, which he

779
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: would then share with the rest of the cast. He

780
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: has the best through all that trouble and then yeah,

781
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: sharing it with everybody. Yeah, he used to drink a

782
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: case of wine. He would just what is some of

783
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: the better Andre drinking stories? I didn't put these in

784
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: here when I was writing, but I wanna. He once

785
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: drank one hundred and nineteen beers in six hours, I

786
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: mean drinking anything of that number. Yeah, drinking one hundred

787
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: how much one hundred nineteen one hundred nineteen beers in

788
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: six hours? Or eighteen Seltzer's in six hours or one

789
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: beer every three minutes NonStop for six straight hours. That

790
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: was the one when they when he passed out in

791
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: the hotel lobby and they just covered him in a

792
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: piano cover and said, I thought that the velvet ropes up.

793
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this was multiplications? Yeah, oh yeah. It was

794
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: at the Hyatt in London that he ran up a

795
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollar bar tab while filming Princess Bride. Let's see,

796
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: he once drank a case of wine in three hours.

797
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: How many bottles are in a case? Twelve bottles? Sorry,

798
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: that's according to Haul Kogan. Bobby Heenan, another wrestling story,

799
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: said that, so there is this the Marriott in Kansas City, Missouri.

800
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: Bobby Heenan was there in the bartender said, is Andre

801
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: with you this time, and Bobby Heenan said no, and

802
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: the bartender said, oh thank god. Last time he was here,

803
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: I gave him last call and he didn't want to leave,

804
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: so I told him he could own that I could

805
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: only stay as long as he was drinking. And Andrea

806
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: ordered forty vodka tonics and sat there drinking them until

807
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: four in the morning. So just pre frowned up Andrea,

808
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: the drink of Andre the drinker. He would go bar

809
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: hopping with Karriella's in New York and they were politely,

810
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: you say, tailed by an off duty cop who had

811
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: been hired by production to keep an eye on Andrea

812
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: in case he fell over and hurt someone, which I

813
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: had already happened again, So yes, to preclude further instances

814
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: of Andre passing out and injuring someone like a tree

815
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: falling on you. Essentially the Night of the Yeah, this

816
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: is one of the other passing out incidents is the

817
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: Night of the Princess Brides. First read through the script

818
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: read through, Andrea got so drunk that he passed out

819
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of the lobby. Hotel employees obviously could

820
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: not move him, so they put velvet ropes around him

821
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: and told the maids not to vacuum until he woke

822
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: up on set. He would keep a flask of cognac

823
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: in his coat and share it with cast members. But

824
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a bit of tears of the clown

825
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: situation going on here too, because for every bit of

826
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: good nature jouis de vivre that Andre's boozing and eating

827
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: came from, there was an equal dose of pain just

828
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: simply from living in that body. You know. It was

829
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: it was as if gravity had embarked on a long

830
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: corrective campaign against him for daring to take up so

831
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: much space in the world. He was born with a

832
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: syndrome called acromegaly, which causes an excess of the growth hormone,

833
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: which may him enormous, but put terrible strain on all

834
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: of his joints and body. His ears wrestling exacerbated that

835
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: and took their toll on him physically. Just before Princess

836
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: Bride started shooting, he had undergone back surgery and was

837
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: just in constant pain throughout the shoot, and he couldn't

838
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: stand any pressure on his back, couldn't lift or carry anything,

839
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: Which is the kind of the grand irony that you

840
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: hire the biggest guy in the world to be this enormous,

841
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: imposing physical presence and he can't do anything. And the

842
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: final few scenes of the film really posed the biggest

843
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: challenge for this situation because he had to ride a

844
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: horse first of all, which poor horse, but to get

845
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: the shot and avoid injuring both Andre and the horse,

846
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: he had to be lowered onto the horse very slowly

847
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: using a crane. Yeah, that's a great image, yee. Keep

848
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: He's like drinking kognac on the way down for the city,

849
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: which he catches Princess Buttercup in his arms. She was

850
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: lowered into his arms on wires. And there's photos of

851
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: his stunt double out there, a guy named Randy Morris,

852
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: who surely would have been the only man in the

853
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: world capable of doing this job. And so for the

854
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: scenes where Westy's like jumping on his back and actually

855
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: fighting with him, that's a stunt double. But pretty much

856
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: everybody loved Andrea on the set. He called everyone boss

857
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: to help them relax around him. During cold filming days,

858
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: he would put his hand on Robin Wright's head to

859
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: keep her warm. His hand was so big it reached

860
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: down past her eyes and covered the back of her neck.

861
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: She said We're in the middle of a forest and

862
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: we'd be standing next to each other in our costumes

863
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: and it's freaking cold and wet. He put his hands

864
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: on my head literally to keep me warm from shivering.

865
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: His hands covered my whole head. The heat from his

866
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: hand was like an electric blanket. He was just very

867
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: sweet and thoughtful. He would always hand me his coat

868
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: if mine wasn't nearby. Christopher Guests said he made a

869
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: point of shaking Andrea's hand every day, just for the

870
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: sensation of having your entire hand disappeared into one of

871
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: his mits. He was like, it was like shaking hands

872
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: with somebody with a catcher's mit. And Mandy Patakian remembered

873
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: a moment when the two of them were sitting on

874
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: the boat set with a script supervisor and he asked

875
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: Andre if he was enjoying himself, and Andrea said, oh, yes,

876
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: nobody looks at me. His relationship with Billy Crystal on

877
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: the film I also served as the inspiration for Billy

878
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: crystals nineteen ninety eight film My Giant story of a

879
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: talent agent who, as you put it, makes a very

880
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: tall friend. Do you know that I don't remember this movie.

881
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: I remember seeing it, Yeah, tell us about it. I

882
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: mean I saw it when it came out in like

883
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: the late nineties, but I think it was a similar

884
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: situation of this very tall man. I mean, people who

885
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: are that tall usually have a lot of health problems

886
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: and don't live very long. So I think it was

887
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: one of those, you know, tear jerk comedies. Yeah, that's

888
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: all I remember about it. Chris Sarandon brought his two

889
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: young daughters to the set and recalled to variety. Andre

890
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: was sitting down at the end of his makeup table,

891
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: and we walked up the steps and turned the corner.

892
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: My daughter Stephanie, took one look at Andrea and started

893
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: screaming at the top of her lungs, and she wouldn't stop.

894
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: Of course, her sister picked up on it, and she

895
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: started screaming. We had to take them out immediately. I

896
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: went back and said, Andrea, I'm so sorry. Please forgive

897
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: their behavior, and he said, no, no, no, either they

898
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: come to me or run from me. All of humanity,

899
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: either they come from me or they run from me.

900
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: And they went and palmed Robin Ride's head to trew

901
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: himself up. There's a great bit of Andre's lore which

902
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: is that he grew up getting school rides, rides to

903
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: school in Samuel Beckett waiting for Godot and Endgame scribe

904
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Samuel Beckett's tractor because he was too big a fitting

905
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: a bus. And that's Carrie talked about it in his book.

906
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: He's talked about in interviews. He said. He asked what

907
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: Andre and Beckett talked about on these rides. Andrea said,

908
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: mostly cricket. But there's a great Andrea the Giant documentary

909
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: that came out on HBO, and the director of that,

910
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: Jason Harrer, told a business insider that the tale has

911
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: told as it's evolved, it's someone exaggerated. He said, Beckett's

912
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: house is a few hundred yards down the road from

913
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: Andrea's childhood home. That is true. The reality is there

914
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: was no bus to school in that town. There was

915
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: a two kilometer walk from Andrea's house into the center

916
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: of town where the schoolhouse was, and all the kids

917
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: in the village took that walk to and from school

918
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: every day. Beckett had a truck and if he passed

919
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: the kids, he would stop and let them hop into

920
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: the flatbed of his truck and he would drive them

921
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: to or from school. But it wasn't singular to Andrea,

922
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: and he had no special relationship with Andrea any more

923
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: than he did with any other child in that area.

924
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Andrea's brother laughed at us when we told him what

925
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: the legend is. I'm cutting that. I like to believe

926
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: the legend. Print the legend right, Yeah, Carrie Ella was

927
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: told Entertainment Weekly Andrea said, we big people don't live long. Ah. Yeah,

928
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: it's a crushing, rushing quote. He had that thing you

929
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: come across with people who are terminally ill, where they

930
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: have a secret most of us don't get. They understand

931
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: that life is precious and you have to cherish every moment.

932
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: He really imparted that to me. He was so filled

933
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: with life and fun and so sweet, such a truly

934
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: gentle soul. I mean, for a guy who could crush

935
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: you like squatting a mosquito, he was so incredibly gentle.

936
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: Andrea was born andre renee Russimof in nineteen forty six

937
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: at the foot of the French Alps in a town

938
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: called Grenoble, and he was just the sweetest boy. His

939
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: retirement included a farm in North Carolina, which he said

940
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: he loved puttering around because the animals didn't look twice

941
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: at him, and his more candid moments with people, he'd

942
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: talk about how tough it was for him, how they

943
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: build things and accommodate people with disabilities like blindness and

944
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: walking disabilities. They build wheelchair ramps, but they don't not

945
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: for people his size. You know. He was forced to

946
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: buy extra airplane seats nothing fit him. Hotel beds didn't

947
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: fit him. He was a porously proud of his work

948
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: on Princess Bride and insisted on watching it over and

949
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: over again with his fellow wrestlers in the years after

950
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: it came out. And Andre died in nineteen ninety three,

951
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: he traveled he had traveled in terrible pain from North

952
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: Carolina to France for his father's funeral. And there's a

953
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: wrestling writer named David Shoemaker who had a great eulogy

954
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: for Andre that I'd like to read. He was an

955
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: icon of a different era, the last in a long

956
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: line of real men, William Wallace, Flad the Impaler, Davy Crockett, etc.

957
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: Who became gods in the retelling of their tales. In

958
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: the modern era, with television and later the Internet, there

959
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: is no folklore, no myth making Andrea's death heartbreaking as

960
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: it was elevated him into the pantheon, into the world

961
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: of memory and legend, which is where he always belonged. Anyway,

962
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: I want to offset this by punching in the Austin

963
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: Powers line. No, really, how could you do it? The

964
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: sheer mechanics of it of mind boggling. I'm not going

965
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: to google that. And though you don't like to think,

966
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna find something you don't want to find. Yeah, well,

967
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: now to cheer ourselves up, we're going to the Billy

968
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: Crystal corner of the program. For the part of Miracle

969
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: Max rob Ryner went with his buddy Billy Crystal, and

970
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, the pair went way back, meeting

971
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: on the set of All in the Family in nineteen

972
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: seventy five after producer Norman Leary caught Billy Crystal set

973
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: at the comedy Store and cast him as the best

974
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: friend of rob Ryner's character, and the two became fast

975
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: friends in real life and eventual collaborators, with Billy having

976
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: a small role in Spinal Tap as a catering mime.

977
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: Mo money his money, It's so good. Did you do

978
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: the thing? You do the thing with the Wings, and

979
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: then of course he went on a Star and rob

980
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: Ryners when Harry met Sally in nineteen eighty nine, just

981
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: after The Princess Bride. But his part in The Princess

982
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: Bride required extensive prosthetics, and Billy brought two photos to

983
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: the makeup artist for inspiration. One of them was a

984
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: photo of his own grandmother and another was long time

985
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: New York Keys manager Casey Stangel. And if you look

986
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: at it, I mean, I've never seen a picture of

987
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: his grandmother. If you look at Casey Stangel, I can

988
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: kind of see it. These extensive prosthetics meant that Billy

989
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: and his co star Carol Kane, who played his wife Valerie,

990
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: had to get to the set each day at two am,

991
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: and it also took them an hour at the end

992
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: of the day just to remove the prosthetics. They were

993
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: only on the set for three days, but Billy and

994
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: Carol really put their sweat and blood into their performances.

995
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: Before the shooting began, they met up at Carol's apartment

996
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: to develop an elaborate backstory for their characters. Carol Kane

997
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: later said, we added our own twists and turns and

998
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: stuff that would amuse us because there's supposed to be

999
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: a long story between the couple. Who knows how many

1000
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: hundreds of years Max and Valerie have been together. And

1001
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: Rob Ryder gave Billy Crystal permission to go off script

1002
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: and ad lib during his scenes, and, as Carrie ill

1003
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: Was wrote in his book, for three days straight and

1004
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: ten hours a day, Billy improvised thirteenth century period jokes,

1005
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: never saying the same thing of the same line twice,

1006
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: and the result was a string of hilarious yet mostly

1007
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: unfamily friendly jokes that ended up on the cutting room floor.

1008
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: Rob Ryner was laughing so hard during these scenes that

1009
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: he had to leave the set, which I think that's

1010
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: like a listicle of like directors who had to leave

1011
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: the set because they were just laughing too hard. We're

1012
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: talking about that and yeah, yeah, I forget. I feel

1013
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: like that's come up a few times on here. Maybe

1014
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: Putennka didn't have the luxury of leaving the set because

1015
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: he was his scene partner and he needed to deliver

1016
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: the lines off camera. He worked so hard to stifle

1017
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: his laughter and hold it in that he bruised a rib.

1018
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal later told Entertainment Weekly we had lived a

1019
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of stuff lines like have fun storming the castle,

1020
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: don't go swing for an hour, a good hour. Those

1021
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: were all I'd lived. There was a lot of really

1022
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: funny stuff that never made it into the movie, things

1023
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: like don't bother me, Sonny, I had a bad day,

1024
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: I found my nephew with a sheep, and true love

1025
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing in the world except for a

1026
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: good bm And although it was only three days on

1027
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: the set, Billy says he has really fond memories of

1028
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: the experience. He remembers breaking for lunch one day and

1029
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: walking down the hallway at Sheppard and Studios to the

1030
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: cafeteria and he said, we got a leading man, a

1031
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: giant Carol Kay looking like an apple sculpture, all just

1032
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: looking at the menu, going well, what looks good. I

1033
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: think it was the most normal thing in the world.

1034
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 1: That was movie magic. And speaking of prosthetics, this brings

1035
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: us to Peter Falk, a man who doesn't need prosthetics

1036
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: to look like a human. Cartoon. Yes, we cannot forget

1037
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: the humans who provide the framing devices for the plot

1038
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: of The Princess Bride. In the real world, Peter Falk

1039
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: plays the grandfather who's reading a story to his sick

1040
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: young grandson, played by a pre Kevin Arnold Fred Savage,

1041
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: who we will talk more about in an upcoming episode

1042
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: about the One Through Years, which I've been writing for

1043
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: like two months now. Sorry. It was Fred Savage's first

1044
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: major role and he was thrilled about going on his

1045
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: first international flight to England, which he is cute. Sixty

1046
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: year old Peter Falk less cute. He had some fifteen

1047
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: years of Colombo under his belt at the time, and

1048
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: he felt he was too young to play a grandfather,

1049
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: which a little bit denial there he's sixty, but instead

1050
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: he insisted on using prosthetics to age him, which I

1051
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: just seems like a very uncharacteristically diva move for a

1052
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: guy who looks like Peter Falk who existed in a

1053
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: wrinkled raincoat for most of the seventies. Sadly, he was

1054
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: not impressed with the makeup. Rob Ryner later said, we

1055
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: did a test with it and he looked at it

1056
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: and said, Rob, I look like a burn victim. And

1057
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Rob said, Peter, maybe we do it without the prosthetics,

1058
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: and he said, I think you're on this something and

1059
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: I cannot mention. Peter falk without remembering this story that

1060
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: I heard god knows how many years ago. Peter folk

1061
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: Elos and I is a three year old. But he

1062
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: was a very active athlete, which is impressive considering yeah,

1063
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: lack lepth perception with one eye. Baseball was his favorite,

1064
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: and he has this very colorful story. He said, I

1065
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: remember once in high school the umpire called me out

1066
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: at third base. When I was sure I was safe,

1067
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: I got so mad. I took out my glass eye,

1068
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: handed it to him and said try this. I got

1069
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: such a laugh you wouldn't believe. He also described his

1070
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: time in the Navy by saying, they don't care if

1071
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: you're blind or not. The only one on a ship

1072
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: who asked to see is the captain, and in the

1073
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: case of the Titanic, he couldn't see very well either.

1074
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Sick Burn like Wallace, Shawn was another guy who was

1075
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: somewhat nervous as he prepared for his role. Like his

1076
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: character Venizi, the Sicilian Wallace, Shawn is truly a man

1077
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: of dizzying intellect. He has a history degree from Harvard

1078
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: and he also studied philosophy and economics at Oxford. Talk

1079
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: about whole brained and he actually took a day off

1080
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: of filming The Princess to return to Oxford to deliver

1081
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: a guest lecture on British and American literature. So he

1082
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: is wicked smat. But Wallace was crippled by nerves throughout

1083
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: most of the production, and things really got off on

1084
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: the wrong foot when his agent made a kind of

1085
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: questionable move of telling him that Rob Ryner had originally

1086
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: wanted Danny DeVito for the role. And I'm guessing his

1087
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: agent shared this fact with Wallace to help him taylor

1088
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: his performance, but all it did was make him angst

1089
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: over the fact that he was nothing like Danny DeVito,

1090
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: leaving him in a state of constant fear that he

1091
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: was going to be fired Danny's inimitable. Wallace later said,

1092
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: each scene we did, I pictured how Danny would have

1093
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: done it, and I knew I could never possibly done

1094
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: it the same way. It made it challenging, And he

1095
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: also thought he was going to be fired on the

1096
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: first day because he couldn't do a Sicilian accent. I'm

1097
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: just imagining Danny DeVito like as in that role, just

1098
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: being like poor as rob Ryner would later very correctly

1099
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: observe Wally Sean is probably the furthest thing from a Sicilian,

1100
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: which is true and eventually just the calmast nerves. Rob

1101
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: Ryaner told them, we want the Sicilian to sound just

1102
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: like you, Wally. But Wally Shan really struggled with this

1103
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: part because he didn't really understand the humor of the

1104
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: movie as they were making it, so rob Ryaner resorted

1105
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: to giving him line readings, which directors are very loath

1106
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: to do for him to imitate, and Walis, with classic

1107
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: kind of deakish understatement, later told the av Club, I

1108
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: must have done it adequately, as people compliment me on

1109
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: it on a daily basis. Yeah, he's an I think

1110
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: he's a nice man, but he just hasn't just nuclear

1111
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: grade neurotic. Yeah, he also has. I think my favorite

1112
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: line in the movie inconceivable, inconceivable because hes right, you're right, Yeah, yeah,

1113
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think my favorite line in the movie

1114
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: is actually made it Potenkin saying you keep using that word.

1115
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it means that's what you think it means. Yeah,

1116
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: but Vinasa the Sicilian says that line five times in

1117
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: the movie, making it second only two as you wish,

1118
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: which you said seven times as the movies most frequently

1119
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: reoccurring catchphrase. But Wallace Shawn wasn't just scared about his performance.

1120
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: He was like all of us, scared of dying. The

1121
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: scene where he MADEI Betinkin and Robin Write's character a

1122
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: hole up the Cliffs of Insanity by Andre the Giant's

1123
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: character physic, he was absolutely petrified due to his crippling

1124
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: fear of heights. All he had to do was sit

1125
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: on a bike seat and hold onto the rope and

1126
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: get pulled up these cliffs on a winch. But he

1127
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: was absolutely petrified, and then that was further compounded by

1128
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he was worried about how his fear

1129
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: was affecting his performance and this poor guy he was

1130
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: near tears, saying I'm worried. I'm gonna ruin the film.

1131
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: I have no ability to do this. And eventually, in

1132
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: yet another Andre the Giant is the Best story, Andre

1133
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: sussed out that this guy was having a problem and

1134
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: he went over and asked Wallace why he was so upset,

1135
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: and Wallace told him, and Andre reply by patting him

1136
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: on the head like a child and saying, don't worry,

1137
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: I'll take care of you. And from that moment on

1138
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: Wallace was fine, did the take and everything was great.

1139
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: I think my favorite line from this movie is life

1140
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: is pain highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. Yeah,

1141
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 1: and we'll never survive nonsense. You're only saying that because

1142
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: no one ever has. It's God the writing, and it

1143
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: is so witty, so good. Another person was very nervous

1144
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: during the production was the man responsible for these lines,

1145
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: William Goldman. Despite all the blockbusters he'd written, two of

1146
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: which had won him an Oscar by this point, he

1147
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: loved The Princess Bride most of all, and after fifteen

1148
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: years of confronting every disaster possible while trying to get

1149
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: his passion project made, he was a little skittish now

1150
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: that they were finally shooting it. To assuage any fear,

1151
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: as Rob Ryner invited him onto the set, which Goldman

1152
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: historically didn't like to do, saying, you're a screenwriter, it's boring.

1153
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: But he broke his own rule in this case, visiting

1154
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: the set of The Princess Bride on the first day

1155
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: of shooting, where he promptly had a meltdown. Not long

1156
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: into the shoot, the sound engineers noticed the weird noise

1157
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: in the background of the audio tapes. They described it

1158
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: as sounding like some strange incantation. The sound was William

1159
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: Goldman chanting prayers to God the whole time, helping the

1160
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: movie shoot would go okay. And Rob Wriner went over

1161
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: and gave this guy a hug, trying to get him

1162
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: to calm down, but William Goldman did not calm down.

1163
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: A short time later that same day, Robin Write's character

1164
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: has her red dress catch on fire, and the high

1165
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: strung William Goldman apparently forgot that he had written this

1166
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: into the script himself and assumed that a major onset

1167
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: disaster had just occurred, and he panicked, ruining the take

1168
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: by screaming, oh my god, her dress is on fire.

1169
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: She's on fire. And he later backtracked, insisting that he

1170
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: was mostly just horrified that they were doing fires stuff

1171
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: on the first day. It was like, Rob, you're setting

1172
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: fire to Robin on the first day, What are you nuts?

1173
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: It's not like you could replace sir. Another excellent line

1174
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: setting off. You see him a decent fellow, I hate

1175
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: to kill you. You see him a decent fellow, I

1176
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: hate to die. Thus begins one of the best sword

1177
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: fights in cinematic history. It's not crouching tiger, hidden dragon

1178
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: level stuff, but it has quite the pedigree. It's referred

1179
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: to in the book and the movie as the greatest

1180
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: sword fight in modern times, and Carrie Ewas and Mandy

1181
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: Patankin put in the work, as did Bill Goldman. He

1182
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: spent months researching seventeenth century sword fighting manuals to craft

1183
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: their duels. I had no idea. I thought all of

1184
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: that stuff was made up to mend funny. That is,

1185
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: all historically accurate sword fighting terms like the la grip

1186
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: and bizzini and zibaba doog when Jimmy, yeah, you know,

1187
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I got nothing but no bad idea.

1188
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: Bad as a breadstone. I can see you've studied your

1189
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: la grip. It counters excellently unless your opponent has studied

1190
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: the grip, which I had. But neither Elwez or Patakon

1191
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: had any fencing experience, so they spent months training. Patankon

1192
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: recalled an elass book. I knew my job was to

1193
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: become the world's greatest sword fighter. I trained for about

1194
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: two months in New York, and then we went to

1195
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: London and Carry and I trained every day that we

1196
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: weren't shooting for four months. There were no stuntmen involved

1197
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: in any of the sword fights except for one flip

1198
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: in the air, so as you mentioned before filming, they

1199
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: trained for eight to ten hours a day for two

1200
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: and a half weeks with a pretty legendary duo of stuntmen.

1201
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: Peter Diamond has over a thousand credits in the industry

1202
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: as a stuntman, coordinator or choreographer, including on various Star Wars,

1203
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: writers of the Lost Arc from Russia with Love and

1204
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: Doctor Who going back to the seventies. But Olympic fencer

1205
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: Bob Anderson is the real deal here. He is behind

1206
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: the sword fights in Highlander, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings,

1207
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: The Mask of Zoro, many many more, as well as

1208
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: stunt doubling for Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back

1209
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: in Return of the Jedi, and he coached Errol Flynn

1210
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: and Burt Lancaster. But more of a Hollywood sword fighting pedigree.

1211
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: Do you want wow? So? But and this is funny.

1212
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to Karry Ill was Mandy Potainkin had started his

1213
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: lessons two months prior, so he came in with a

1214
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: leg up and then these guys came to set, so

1215
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: even after all of this pre shooting training, they would

1216
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: still anytime they were minute, like just any free time

1217
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: in between their shots, Diamond and Anderson would like caller

1218
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: them and be like, all right, guys, time to work

1219
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: on the sword stuff. And this was the last one

1220
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: of the last scenes shot at the end of the

1221
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: four months shoot to give them the maximum amount of

1222
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: time to work on it perfected, and it took a

1223
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: week to film. Funnily enough, even though both this is insane,

1224
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: both Karry ill Was and Mandy Potainkin learned to fence

1225
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: with their left and right hands like their characters did,

1226
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: but the scene where they switched hands was actually shot

1227
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: on mirrored sets so that the image could then be flipped,

1228
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: which would create the illusion. So even though they went

1229
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: through the effort of learning how to do it, they

1230
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: used movie trickery to fake it. But as they started

1231
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,959
Speaker 1: filming this render was like, ah, this scenems too short.

1232
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: Anderson Diamond add some stuff, so they did, and he wrote,

1233
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: They wrote extra dialogue, they wrote extra quipping back and forth,

1234
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, they added. So they added extra stuff to

1235
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: get it up to the run time. And then there

1236
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: was one last thing that had to be changed Always

1237
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: told the Huffington Post in twenty fourteen, there's a bit

1238
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: of one of the sequences that wasn't working for the

1239
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: camera and Rob said, we can't see it. You guys

1240
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: have it faced the wrong way. Mandy said to Bob Anderson,

1241
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 1: we've got to change it, and Bob said, we can't.

1242
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: We're shooting it. Rob said, you've got twenty minutes. If

1243
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: you can fix it, great, If you can't, we're moving on.

1244
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: And in twenty minutes we actually got it and did it.

1245
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: It was nice to remember that we could actually come

1246
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: up with something on the spur of the moment and

1247
01:07:53,480 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: fix it iconic. That's terrifying. What a great scene. Oh,

1248
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: it's incredible. I mean it truly is one of the

1249
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: best sword fights in cinema history. It stands alongside all

1250
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: the Errol Flynn, Douglas Fairbank stuff, all the truly two

1251
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: of the best swashbucklers. It makes it. It's great. It's

1252
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: a great scene too, because it's not just like the

1253
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: choreography is great, camera works great and everything, but it tells.

1254
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: It's a fight scene that tells a story, and the

1255
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: pacing of the dialogue and the sort of slowly dawning

1256
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: that Wesley is like a much better swordsman than an ego.

1257
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: Like it just it all comes it. It's so perfectly paced.

1258
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: It's a little I mean, this is why people study

1259
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 1: William Goldman Man. It's just like a little microcosm of

1260
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: like how to tell a story with an action scene.

1261
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, there's one thing to take away from just

1262
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: all the dedication that these actors put into the sword

1263
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: fighting is that they were not afraid of taking on

1264
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: risky stunts, and this sometimes went well for the cast.

1265
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes it didn't go well. The same or Wesley has

1266
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: to jump into the quicksand the follow Buttercup is a

1267
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: prime example. The direction originally called for him to jump

1268
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: in feet first, but Carrie os felt that this didn't

1269
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: look heroic enough, so instead he opted to dive into

1270
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: the quicksand head first. But this was a bit nerve

1271
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: racking because the quicksand effect was accomplished through the use

1272
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: of a trapdoor hidden beneath the sand, and if the

1273
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: trapdoor wasn't opened at exactly the right instant, Carrie wrist

1274
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 1: breaking his neck. Thankfully, they nailed the shot in a

1275
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: single take, but it soon became clear that the film's

1276
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: leading man was a little accident prone. For weeks on

1277
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: the set, he nursed a broken toe, which makes so

1278
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: many of those actions scenes all the more impressive. Like

1279
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: during that sword fight scene, he had a broken toe,

1280
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: and this toe, it was not a result of a

1281
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: stunt gone wrong or anything particularly heroic. It was a

1282
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: result of a joy ride on Andre the Giant's ATV.

1283
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: As you previously menagtioned, Andrea's size meant that he was

1284
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: in constant physical pain and needed some help getting around,

1285
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: and given the fact that he was too big to

1286
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: fit in the van but the rest of the cast,

1287
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: was given an ATV to drive himself around the hills

1288
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: where they were shooting exteriors, and one day, about six

1289
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: weeks into the production, Andrea encouraged Carry to give it

1290
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: a try. I mean, if Andrew the Giant rolls up

1291
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: next to you on an ATV and welcome to you

1292
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: to try his four wheeler, you you're gonna try it.

1293
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just how it goes. As Carry recalled,

1294
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: one day, Andre pulled up to me with his ATV

1295
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: and said, you want to try it, don't you? I can't.

1296
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: I've never tried it before you know you want to.

1297
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: It's so much fun. He's already drunk. Yeah, Carrie got

1298
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: on and he said, I put the thing into gear

1299
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: and I literally went over a rock and my toe

1300
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: got caught between a rock and the clutch and bent

1301
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: it back all the way. I knew I broke it instantly,

1302
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: And unfortunately he still had to shoot a scene where

1303
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: he was running, not to mention the sword fighting scenes,

1304
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: both of which are very hard to do with a

1305
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: broken toe, and he did his best to hide the

1306
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: injury from Rob Reiner because not only was it still

1307
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: in the early stages of production and he was frightened

1308
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: and being replaced, he was also just embarrassed. He'd called

1309
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: it the most cringeworthy moment of my life. You can't

1310
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: have a hopping dread pirate Roberts. And when Rob Runner

1311
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: ultimately did find out about it, it was one of

1312
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: those cases of not being mad, just disappointed. Carry recalled

1313
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: it as a quote valuable lesson in telling the truth.

1314
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: He'd say, when Rob found out, he was upset that

1315
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: I hadn't told him. I said, I was afraid you'd

1316
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: fire me, and he said something very sweet to me.

1317
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: He said don't be silly, carry I wouldn't fire you.

1318
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: You're the only person who could play Wesley, and that

1319
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: really boosted my spirit. Then he asked can you walk

1320
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: and I said yeah, And he said can you run?

1321
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: And I said, it'll be an interesting interpretive dance. And

1322
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: there are little moments in the film when you notice

1323
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: him hopping and limping. But shockingly, he filmed that sword

1324
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: fight with Manni Patinkin with a broken toe. He later

1325
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: explained in a strange way, I think the broken toe

1326
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: actually helped because I had to focus more on the

1327
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,919
Speaker 1: movements in my arms and learned how to become proficient,

1328
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: more proficient than I probably would have been if I

1329
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: had broke on my toe at being left handed, because

1330
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: I had just had to focus on the sword fighting itself.

1331
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: But Carrie would sustain another injury on the set, this

1332
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: time when the cameras were rolling, and it occurred during

1333
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: the scene where Wesley recognizes Count Rugan played by Christopher

1334
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 1: Guest as the evil six fingered man, and in the script,

1335
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: the Count is supposed to knock Wesley unconscious with the

1336
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: butt of his sword, and Christopher Guest understandably didn't want

1337
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: to hit his fellow actor on the head with the

1338
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: butt of his sword, but his reluctance made the take

1339
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: seem a little bland. So eventually Carrie, who again is

1340
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: the man who dove head first into quicksand, suggested that

1341
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: Christopher Guests just hit him for real, and Christopher Guest

1342
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: complied a little too well, and Carrie was knocked unconscious.

1343
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: That's the take they used in the film. Yep, that's crazy.

1344
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: It's so nuts. As he wrote in his book As

1345
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: You Wish Inconceivable Tales from the Making of the Princess Bride,

1346
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: I just want to plug this guy's book because he's

1347
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: so nice and he deserves it. Christopher Guest swung the

1348
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: heavy sword down towards my head. However his fate would

1349
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: have it. It landed just a touch harder than either

1350
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: of us anticipated, and that, folks, was the last thing

1351
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: I remember from that day's shoot. In the script, Bill Goldman,

1352
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: stage directions from the end of the scene state the

1353
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: screen goes black. In the darkness frightening sounds, which is

1354
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: precisely what happened. I woke up in the emergency room,

1355
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: still in costume, to the frightening sound of stitches being

1356
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: sewn into my skull from the same doctor no Less

1357
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: who had treated me only weeks earlier from my broken toe.

1358
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: I remember him saying to me after I came in, well, Zoro,

1359
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: you seem to be a little accident prone, don't you.

1360
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: And of course Christopher Guest felt absolutely terrible about the

1361
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: whole thing, even though I kept telling him it wasn't

1362
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: his fault, it was my dumb idea. But you know what,

1363
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: that particular take was the one that ended up in

1364
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: the film. So when you see Wesley fall to the

1365
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: ground and pass out, that's not acting. That's an overzealous

1366
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: actor actually losing consciousness. Good for him. Christopher Guest had

1367
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: bad luck with swords during the making of The Princess Bride.

1368
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: He's the story of going horseback riding and his costume

1369
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: for the film, and the horse just seemed to go

1370
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: completely wild and lose control, took off, nearly running head

1371
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: first into a wall. And it took a little while,

1372
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 1: but they realized that the scabbard of Chris's sword was

1373
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: whacking the horse on its side, almost like a spur,

1374
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: so it was giving it the message to just go

1375
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: faster all the time, and that led to it just

1376
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: going out of control, which is scary. Have you ever

1377
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: gone out of horse? No? Really? No? Oh I don't

1378
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: trust him. Yeah, I don't know what they're planning small hands. No,

1379
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: just you know, just grew up here and now Christopher

1380
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: Reeve is a superman. Yeah. I wound up in a

1381
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: wheelchair because of a damn horse. So I was like,

1382
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: that's enough for me. They can take out Superman. I'm

1383
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: not even Batman. You know, as you meditate on that,

1384
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more too much information after

1385
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: these messa, which is well, while we're on the topic

1386
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:19,839
Speaker 1: of pen transition, we have to talk about the Machine,

1387
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: the torture device that leaves Wesley mostly dead. It took

1388
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: count Rugen half a lifetime to invent it, and for

1389
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: those who don't remember, the machine sucks away a year

1390
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: of life from the person based on the number of

1391
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: levels that the machine is set to, like digital media.

1392
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: Perstley has the machine question, Yes, so is he back

1393
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: to his normal amount of life now that he's been

1394
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: resurrected or he just got the resurrection, but now he's

1395
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 1: still gonna die in like a year. That's a great

1396
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: plot hole. How do you think that works? You know

1397
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: what it's been so long since I've seen the whole movie.

1398
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: Well up to fifty kills him, right, he leaves him

1399
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: almost dead, mostly said mostly dead, So they mostly dead.

1400
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, so when he comes back to life, then

1401
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: is is he back to full? Is he back to

1402
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: full is he back to premachine strength? Or is he

1403
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: just back to the brink of like being alive at

1404
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: the threshold and now he has like, yeah, like two

1405
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: years to live or something. Great questions. I don't know Goldman, Jamie,

1406
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: can we get Bill Goldman on the phone? Jamie, you

1407
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: have a Wigie board, give us a glass on a

1408
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: Luigi board. I need an old priest and a young priest. No,

1409
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good that's a good plot hole. Huh, yeah,

1410
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: tweeted us. So yeah, this machine that leaves Wesley mostly

1411
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: dead was actually built for a whole other movie. He

1412
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: was built for nineteen eighty threes Never Say Never Again,

1413
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: a movie in which Sean Connery reprises his role as

1414
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: James Bond. But now we're gonna have a little James

1415
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: Bond quarter moment. Note how I didn't say that it

1416
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: was a Bond film due to not particularly interesting legal particularities.

1417
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: Never Say Never Again wasn't made by Eon Productions, which

1418
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: is the company that produces the official Bond movies, So

1419
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: I Never Say Never Again is a considered Bond cannon.

1420
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: In fact, it's basically a remake of the nineteen sixty

1421
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: six Sean Connery Bond movie Thunderball, but the two pay

1422
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: that Sean Connery, whereas and Never Say Never Again was

1423
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: rumored to be one of the most expensive hairpieces ever

1424
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: made at the time. I'm having a six bucks running

1425
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: that number down, but I definitely remember hearing that. And

1426
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 1: I also realize until this very morning, that Sean Connery

1427
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: wore a hairpiece in every Bond movie post Goldfinger. And

1428
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: there's a I didn't know that. I did not know that.

1429
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: There is a whole blog dedicated to the topic that

1430
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: I discovered this morning called Sean Connery's hairpiece Page. So

1431
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: what was it built for in that movie? Some kind

1432
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: of Bond villain torture device? And they decided not to

1433
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: use it. It was rejected for some reason I don't

1434
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: know why, and it wound up getting reused. And the

1435
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: Princess Bride, which is wild. I mean again, Princess Bride

1436
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: was shot in Sheppard and Studios in England, which is

1437
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: where a while the bond stuff was done, so it

1438
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. The machine and the Princess Bride

1439
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: was operated by the character known as the Albino, played

1440
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: by British comedian Mel Smith, and he didn't have a

1441
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: good time making this movie. Kind of nothing. I think

1442
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: the only person who didn't have a good time making

1443
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,919
Speaker 1: this movie. The role required him to wear colored contact lenses,

1444
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: and unfortunately he and the costume folks belatedly learned that

1445
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: he was allergic to the lens solution for his contacts,

1446
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: and as a result, he was in agony during the

1447
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 1: production and reportedly never watched the finished movie ever because

1448
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: he couldn't bear the memory he had poisoned poured into

1449
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: his eyes. Yeah, I mean very clockwork orange. So that

1450
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: is sad. Higel tell us fund of story. Take us

1451
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: to a different corner. That's a different place, another corner

1452
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: of TMI. The TMI world we're inaugurating called Andre the

1453
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: giants farts, giant farts, my least favorite. John Coltrane deep

1454
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: cuts giant farts. No, this bit is terrible. I can't

1455
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: believe you got me to fart giant steps just now

1456
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: that's the the I don't know if that's the highest

1457
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: low brow joke. Can you play giant farts in all

1458
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: twelve Keys? Did you go to Berkeley anyway? Yes, Uh,

1459
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about for this fart corner, We're gonna

1460
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: talk about the time Andre the Giant farted on the

1461
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: set of Princess Bride, a moment's occasion once once lost

1462
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 1: to the mist of history and thankfully resurfaced by the

1463
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: good folks over at Vulture. It was his first day

1464
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: of filming with Carrie Oz, and Elz described the incident,

1465
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: which he titled a mighty wind that's good, which it's

1466
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: very good, funny Andrea, I should start by saying he

1467
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: was a gentle giant, the sweetest guy. And one day,

1468
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: the first day, actually the first scene we had together,

1469
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: Rob Ryner said, okay, roll camera's action, and I think

1470
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: my first words were, I'll fight you both together, I'll

1471
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 1: take you both apart. But as I was saying this,

1472
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: an enormous monumental fart starts to omit from Andrea. It

1473
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: literally lasted eighteen seconds, and he just sat there with

1474
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: a grin on his face. And I don't know if

1475
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: he was grinning out of relief or grinning at the

1476
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: humor of it, knowing that this was going to take

1477
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: a while. Literally everything shook and I just lost it.

1478
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it as I started laughing, Andrea started laughing.

1479
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day I apologized to

1480
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: Andrea for laughing at his fart, and he said it

1481
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: was a good one. Carrie dedicated three pages of his

1482
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: memoir to recounting this incident. He described the event as

1483
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: a veritable symphony of gastric distress that roared for more

1484
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: than several seconds and shook the very foundations of the

1485
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: wooden plaster set where we were now grabbing onto out

1486
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: of sheer fear. The sonic resonance was so intense I

1487
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: even observed our sound man remove his headphones to protect

1488
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: his ears, like the scene of Titanic when the ship

1489
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: breaks in two, and everyone's just like hanging on to

1490
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: Andrea had a good sense of humor about it, you know,

1491
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: carry whenever. To apologize, and Andre replied, it's okay. My

1492
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: farts always make people laugh. This concludes giant farts. I

1493
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: could fart. John Coltrane's iconic solo The Giant Steps No

1494
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I just don't have the dexterity

1495
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: A few people do. No, there's not a lot of

1496
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: people know that. While we're on the top to Jordan

1497
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: is rendered paralyzed by by giant farts. The road committed

1498
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: to it so stronger. I couldn't get you to do

1499
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: the nag on toya voice. But got that no no,

1500
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: because you know what Jordans I I that's low hanging fruit.

1501
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: And I read the listeners. They deserve more. We yeah,

1502
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: we deserve. They deserve more than that. They get giant farts.

1503
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: They don't get me rereading one of the most well

1504
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: trodden movie lines of all time. But while we're on

1505
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: the topic of unsavory yet funny things, we've got to

1506
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: talk about the r o u Ss Rodents of unusual size.

1507
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: They're giant rats, folks, They're just big, big, honking rats.

1508
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: Rob Reiner did the vocal work for these characters, but

1509
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: they were actually performers inside these costumes, um fifty pounds

1510
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: of rubber, latex, fake fur, and crime. Much like Australia,

1511
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: the Rouss were filled with criminals from their inception. Uh no,

1512
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm exaggerating. Apologies for Australian listeners, there was apparently

1513
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: police drama on the while The Princess Bribe was filming,

1514
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: involving the rous actors. You said there's two versions and

1515
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: you were unable to parse if these were separate incidences

1516
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: or just different tellings. I think they're separate. I'm pretty

1517
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: sure they're separate, which is wild. Right. Hey man, you

1518
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: make you're living in a rat suit. You're living that's

1519
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: life in the fast lane, baby, Uh, not being the

1520
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: fast lane, Rob Ryner says on the day they were

1521
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: shooting the scene in the fire swamp where Westley wrestles

1522
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: the rats. That's a tongue twist. Wow. The main rat performer,

1523
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: the one who was quote good with quick movements. Are

1524
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: your main rat performer who's good with quick movements? On

1525
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: the other the other guys, the other guy, I'm the

1526
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: rat before bought with some Alec Baldwin. I'm the rat

1527
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: performer who's good with movement. Yeah, he does his job.

1528
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: You must be the other rat performer. I love that line. Southey,

1529
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: you must be the other guys. He must be the

1530
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: other rats Mary Mark. Oh that's Marky Mark. Yeah. Sorry, uh? Rob? Sorry,

1531
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: So the main rat performer Rat Guy A will call him.

1532
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean they're probably cat they're probably named in the

1533
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: credits they are not. Yeah, I think I have him

1534
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: some did you protect their names? Change their names to

1535
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: protect the innom honestly sort of? Yeah? Okay, Well, Rat

1536
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Guy A, the quick movement guy, was nowhere to be

1537
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: found because he was in jail after getting into a

1538
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 1: massive fight with his wife the night before and burning

1539
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: down the kennel that they owned. No word on whether

1540
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: or not it was occupied at the time. I'm I'm

1541
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: guessing no, that's that's up. Yeah. So Rob found this

1542
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: out and bailed the guy out of jail, and then

1543
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: later on a different rat performer. How many rus as

1544
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: were there? Where there's two? So there's two rat guys

1545
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: or three rat guys? How many rat guys on this film?

1546
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: How many rat guys you got? How many you need?

1547
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: This is Carcharping executive comes he's the rat guy budget

1548
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: on this movie is insane. Tell Ryan he gets two

1549
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: rat guys. He gets one guy with quick movements and

1550
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: he gets the other guy. The union, the rat guy

1551
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: union is killing me. He's starting into Harvey fire scene.

1552
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I lost that. I lost the voice

1553
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: that I had for him earlier. So a different rat

1554
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 1: guy performer was pulled over for speeding and tried to

1555
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: get out of his ticket by telling the cop that

1556
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: he had a big job the next morning. He can't

1557
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: pull me over because I gotta go play this giant

1558
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: rat and the cop assumed that he was drunk and

1559
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: speeding because he figured only a drunk guy would say

1560
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: something like that, and booked him for drunk driving. So

1561
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: this concludes your rat corner speaking of nothing. Some of

1562
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: the film was shot at Shepperton Studios in England, but

1563
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: much of the movie was filmed on location. The castle

1564
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: used for the film was Hadden Hall, which is not

1565
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: to be confused with the massive house that David Bowie

1566
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: and his pals rented in the early seventies. This is

1567
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: a different Hadden Hall. This one is a fortified country

1568
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: house built by William the Conqueror in ten eighty six

1569
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: for his illegitimate son, which is maybe the most English

1570
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: sentence you've ever had me read on this show. It

1571
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: has been owned by the same family since fifteen ninety

1572
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: seven because it's England, and has been featured in three

1573
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: versions of Jane Eyre Pride and Prejudice Elizabeth and the

1574
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: film Lady Jane starring Carrie Elwes aka the role that

1575
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: got on the Prince's Bride. They usually the exterior of

1576
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: the castle by adding some fake turrets to make it

1577
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: look a little more imposing, but they filmed most of

1578
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: the interior shots inside among the original medieval furniture and tapestry,

1579
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: which helped because you know, as you mentioned, not a

1580
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: well funded product auction. The location stuff is recalled fondly

1581
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: by the casting crew because they all stayed at the

1582
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: same hotel, which made it kind of a summer camp.

1583
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis, who is married to Christopher Guest, had

1584
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: a crock pot in their room and they so they

1585
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: would cook meals for fellow cast members and eat together.

1586
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Imagine having a fish called Wanda era Jamie Lee Curtis

1587
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: making you croc pot meals. Man, I would I could

1588
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: just die right then and there. Chris Guests later told

1589
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: Entertainment Weekly, there are a lot of times when you're

1590
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: on a movie on location and you're kind of a

1591
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: loaner and you stay in your room. This was an

1592
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: uncommonly friendly gang of people. Rob The common through line

1593
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: in this is how much. Everyone hates English cooking, which

1594
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: I love English cooking. Well, yeah you're you, buddy. Yeah,

1595
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: best desserts in the world. Yeah, dessert, Yeah, dessert. No,

1596
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: I know, dessert. But these people put beans on toast

1597
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: called breakfast. Rob Ryner hated the local food so much

1598
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: he had a hibachi grill installed in his hotel room

1599
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: so he could cook burgers and dogs for himself and

1600
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: the crew, making that a popular place to hang out

1601
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: as well. So between you got Jamie Lee Curtis, you

1602
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: got Rob Ryner, and you got so that's your Continental,

1603
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: your American homestyle. And then you got Andre the Giant

1604
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: driving to France and back for his for French food.

1605
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Damn they ate like kings. It's a great set. The

1606
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 1: movies showdown between Inigo Montoya and Count Rugen aka The

1607
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,560
Speaker 1: Six Fingered Man takes place at Haddon Hall, and I

1608
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: just want to point out the fact that Christopher Guest

1609
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: also plays Nigel Tough old spinal Tap and he's the

1610
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 1: man whose aunt famously goes to eleven and now he's

1611
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: playing the Six Fingered Man. I just think that's a

1612
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: that's a funny coincidence, just because there's numbers involved. Numbers. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1613
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: that's great. You're right, Yeah, you're right, yeah yeah, thank you,

1614
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: thank you. Christopher Guest kept the six finger glove, and

1615
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 1: he was very proud that his son would show it

1616
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: off to his friends whenever they came over, which I

1617
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: think is cute. During the fight rehearsal for this climactic

1618
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: fight scene, maybe Potencton got a little carried away. As

1619
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, this scene had a very personal

1620
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 1: meaning for him. He wasn't just fighting the fictional movie villain.

1621
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: He was slaying his father's cancer, and so he was

1622
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: really getting into it when he accidentally stabbed Christopher Guest

1623
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,879
Speaker 1: in the thigh, which maybe is Carmick payback for Christopher

1624
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Guest knocking out Carrie ill Was with the butt of

1625
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: his sword. But yeah, Christopher Guest was pretty freaked out,

1626
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 1: and he told the fencing master who'd been training them

1627
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: all this time, I think, man, he's gonna try to

1628
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: kill me when we do the take. So yeah, all

1629
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: that stuff I learned, I'm basically just gonna throw that

1630
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: out and just try to defend myself now. And my

1631
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: favorite part about this fight scene is that Christopher Guest

1632
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 1: found himself involuntarily doing the sword sounds with his mouth

1633
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: as they fought, and mostly rob Ryner was like, all right,

1634
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: cut cut. He goes over to him, Chris, it's okay,

1635
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna put the sounds in and post. You're so

1636
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 1: I know, it's so good. When what's her name? Lard

1637
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: dirhams and Star Wars, isn't they You can see her

1638
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: on camera making pete pew noises when she's shooting her

1639
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: laser gun. Laura turns and Star Wars, Yeah, the most

1640
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: recent one, the god you have to say, the medium

1641
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: ones and then the new ones. Uh, yeah, she's in

1642
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: the new ones. But yeah, there's a scene where she

1643
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: like bursts into a room and starts firing her pistol

1644
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: and you can see her lips going pete pew. That's

1645
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: the time glad they left that didn't didn't like shot. Yeah,

1646
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: Wesley Snipe's eyes and that was that Blade three. Yeah,

1647
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: he refused to open his eyes on the set, so

1648
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 1: they cgi ghastly open eyes onto his eyelids. It's so scary.

1649
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: If we all do stand by me for you, if

1650
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,759
Speaker 1: you'll do Blade for me, we'll put some time between

1651
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: between rob Ryder movies. We should definitely do those both.

1652
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we should do we gotta do somewhere maybe

1653
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: maybe it's the same. I mean, we gotta do some

1654
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: River Phoenix movie. I just think he's so interesting. Thing

1655
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: to me, I think River Phoenix, Yeah, I think he's

1656
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: interesting is the word I'm looking for. It's kind of psychic.

1657
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: What's interesting about him? He's pretty? No, he well, he

1658
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: grew up in that weird cult with the rest of them. Yeah,

1659
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,839
Speaker 1: and I thought, I still think he was an incredibly

1660
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: talented actor. And he also didn't really seem to give

1661
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: a day about acting that much. Like he really was

1662
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: into more into music, which is interesting to me. And

1663
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just any kind of unfulfilled potential

1664
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: is interesting to me, Like lost albums that were never

1665
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: finished and and things like that are always really interesting

1666
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: to me. And I guess same with actors who James

1667
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Dean being probably the most obvious example, people that like

1668
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: could have done so much and it's interesting. It's sad

1669
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: too to think about what they could have done and

1670
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: how they could have changed the medium. And yeah, but

1671
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: like a dedicated actor, River Phoenix was just pretty I

1672
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: was very talented my own propit Idaho. It's a great move.

1673
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: He's got that annoying brother. Yeah, just doing the most.

1674
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: They did have a big family, and that was part

1675
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,440
Speaker 1: of the reason. I mean yeah, I mean his backstory

1676
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: is just so fascinating. How like he supported his entire

1677
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: massive family with his acting gigs, and yeah, he had

1678
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot on his shoulders, and I feel like you

1679
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: could see that in his performance. Yeah, No, I don't care.

1680
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: I just didn't see it in those movies, so I

1681
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: just like, I don't Explorers is great. You never saw

1682
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Explorers as a kid. Oh my god, it's incredible. It's

1683
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: this movie where these three kids make a spaceship out

1684
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: of a tiltal world that they find at a junkyard.

1685
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: It's so cool. Yeah, the AD's right. They were in

1686
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: the Children of God. Wasn't that the same cult that

1687
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: the guy from Girls was in that I don't know, children,

1688
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: but I thought got busted. Yeah, guy from the band Girl,

1689
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: he was in Children of God. I did things I

1690
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: won't talk about just to survive. That was poor quote.

1691
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: But speaking of things that make me uncomfortable, Count Rugan's

1692
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: death in this movie is actually a lot tamer than

1693
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 1: it was in the book. Where an ego cuts out

1694
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 1: the man's heart and then he dies of fright at

1695
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: the sight of it, which is a little too much

1696
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: for PG. But that's a hell of a parting line

1697
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: though I want my father back, you, son of a bitch.

1698
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a line delivered from a man

1699
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: who meant it. That's a very powerful scene. There's a

1700
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: lost ending to the Princess Bride, which in all, honestly

1701
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: it's probably for the best as it stands. The movie

1702
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: ends with Peter Falk's grandfather character finishing the story, and

1703
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: as he gets up to leave, his grandson, who you'll

1704
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: recall didn't really give a damn about the story, initially

1705
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: asks him to come back the next day and read

1706
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: the book to him again, and the grandfather replies with,

1707
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: as you wish, which in the world of the film

1708
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: is code for I love you. It's a very simple,

1709
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: touching ending, but originally Rob Ryner shot a scene where

1710
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: Fred Savage goes to the window after his grandfather leaves

1711
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: and he sees Anigo, Feesick, Wesley and Buttercup sitting outside

1712
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: on horses, and they wave and smiled him before riding

1713
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 1: off into the I think literal Sunset, but Rob Ryano

1714
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: thought this was just a little too cute see and

1715
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: dropped the idea, which again I think is probably good.

1716
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: Before we finished talking about the production, we have one more.

1717
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: Andre the Giant is giving Robert Williams a run for

1718
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: his money. Is the nicest guy in the World's story.

1719
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: On the last day of shooting, the cast stuck around

1720
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: on the set for over five hours while every crew

1721
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: member and their families in some cases came by and

1722
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: waited in line like children at Disneyland, to stand with

1723
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: Andre the Giant and have their photograph taken with him.

1724
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 1: He had his picture taken with every single person that

1725
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: asked on set that day, even though I'm sure on

1726
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: some level he found it extremely humiliating and resented all

1727
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: the attention. But he did it anyway because it made

1728
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: people happy. He did it for us. Sweet sweet man.

1729
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: You know he's not a sweet sweet man, Mark Offler

1730
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: of Dire Straits, don't. I'm sure he's fine. Yeah, it's

1731
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: it's I know nothing about him personally. I hate Dire Straits.

1732
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 1: I think they are my least favorite band. There's something

1733
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: so clinical and cold and soulless about it. I just

1734
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Um. I didn't realize this though.

1735
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: The music for The Princess Bride was done by Mark

1736
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: n Noffler. But you know, despite everything I just said,

1737
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: Mark no Offler gets points with me because he, like

1738
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure all rock stars of a certain age, is

1739
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,759
Speaker 1: a big fan of spinal Tap, and apparently he semi

1740
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: jokingly only agreed to take this job if Rob Ryner

1741
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: agreed to put a reference to spinal Tap in The

1742
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 1: Princess Bride, which he did. If you look closely at

1743
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: the scenes shot in the Little Boy's bedroom, you can

1744
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: see the USS r C o V four B baseball cap.

1745
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: But Rob Ryner roar as Marty de Burgee and spinal Tap. Yeah. Man, sure, man, Okay, okay, man. Yeah.

1746
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 1: I've seen some reports say that Rob couldn't find the

1747
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: original hat and this one was a replica. But Mark

1748
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 1: Noffler apparently appreciated all the effort and did the film.

1749
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything about the music, and this isn't

1750
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: it all like it's kind of likes light Yeah. Yeah,

1751
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:19,839
Speaker 1: it's like loot Sting wasn't available. It's not the USS

1752
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: Oral C by the way, it's the USS Choral C

1753
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 1: mix that was a typo if you want to take

1754
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: that again. That soundtrack was uh that soundtrack. Uh, this

1755
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 1: song storybook love from it got a got an Academy

1756
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: Award nom what's say yeah Best Original Song. Wow. I

1757
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 1: have no memory of that song at all. Co written

1758
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: with Mink Deville's Deville. Oh, he's like a very very

1759
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:57,560
Speaker 1: weird um. He was like a CBGB uh contemporary, but

1760
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: he was like way more are inspired by like Doc

1761
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: Pomus and Doctor John and Alan Tousson. So he was

1762
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: like had all these like sort of seventies era like

1763
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: punk bands, but he was he was always playing like

1764
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: essentially like swamp pop and later on became like a

1765
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: you know, more of a very uh traditional like roots

1766
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,839
Speaker 1: rock guy. But Doc Palmas said about him, mc deville

1767
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: knows the truth of a city street and the courage

1768
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: and a ghetto love song him a harsh reality in

1769
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: his voice and phrasing is yesterday, today and tomorrow timeless,

1770
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,879
Speaker 1: in the same way that loneliness, no money, and troubles

1771
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: find each other and never quit for a minute. Damn.

1772
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 1: I live on the corner of Doc Pomus Memorial way

1773
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: out in Brooklyn. I guess he lived on the round

1774
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: the corner for more I live. Huh, yeah, I guess.

1775
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: I guess mink Deville had stopped going by Mink He

1776
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: was going by Willie Deville. Minkdeville was the name of

1777
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 1: the band, and he recorded Now I'm Called Miracle in

1778
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 1: London with Mark Knoppler producing, and Knopfler heard the song,

1779
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 1: and this is an interview with him from nineteen ninety six.

1780
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: He said, Knopfler heard Storybook Love and asked if I

1781
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: knew about this movie he was doing. It was a

1782
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 1: Rod Riner film about a princess and a prince strike one.

1783
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: The song was about the same subject matter as the film,

1784
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: so we submitted it to Rhiner and he loved it.

1785
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: About six or seven months later, I was half asleep

1786
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: and the phone rang. It was the Academy of Arts

1787
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 1: and Sciences with the whole spiel. I hung up on them.

1788
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 1: They called back and my wife answered the phone. She

1789
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: came in to tell me that I was nominated for

1790
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: Storybook Love. Before I knew it, I was performing on

1791
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 1: the Award Show with Little Richard. It was the year

1792
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: of Dirty Dancing and they won. So that's the story

1793
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: of your personal enemy. Mark Knopfler and Willie Deville writing

1794
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: an Academy Awardiname nominated or arranging recording an Academy Award

1795
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 1: nominated song for Princess Pride Soundtrack. I can't believe you're

1796
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: just gonna gloss over it that marketing. I know I've

1797
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 1: set you up zero times in this episode. I'm sorry.

1798
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: Though the cast and crew of The Princess Bribe are

1799
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: well aware that they made something special, the studio was not.

1800
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,799
Speaker 1: They were confused about how to market the film. To start,

1801
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 1: the title sounded like a romcom, making it a tough

1802
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: sell for adult males and kids. As Reiner later said

1803
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: to hitflix dot Com, it was hard to categorize, and

1804
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: I think the title also scared people. It sounds like

1805
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: a children's fairytale or something. When it came time to

1806
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 1: assemble a poster, the marketing geniuses at Fox went with

1807
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 1: the image of Peter Falk reading to Fred Savage in bed,

1808
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: which is absolutely the worst possible decision you could make,

1809
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: given that this film is jam packed with iconic characters

1810
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: and beautiful people, and you have the Wonder Years Kid

1811
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: and one eyed Willie Peter Falk. Apparently that phote that

1812
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: poster art was inspired by the nineteen twenty two painting

1813
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Daybreak by Maxfield Parish, which later served as an influence

1814
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: for Michael Jackson's video You Are Not Alone with then

1815
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: wife Lisa Marie Presley. The trailer for Princess Bride was

1816
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: apparently so bad it was yanked from theaters almost immediately.

1817
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 1: Rob Bryner was on the phone constantly with the head

1818
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: of Fox, Barry Diller, furious, saying this is terrible. We've

1819
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: got a movie that everybody loves, but we can't get

1820
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: anybody to come. He remembers screaming at him, Barry, I

1821
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: don't want to have a Wizard of Oz because when

1822
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz came out, it was a disaster. Nobody liked.

1823
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: It didn't do well. And Barry said to him, Rob,

1824
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: don't let anybody ever hear you say that you'd be

1825
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 1: so happy to have a Wizard of Oz, by which

1826
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: he meant it takes time for odd bawl movies to

1827
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: develop an audience, and that was pretty much what happened.

1828
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: Princess Bride was not a success. When a premiered in

1829
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,600
Speaker 1: eighty seven, of all the movies released that year, it

1830
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: ranked forty first in domestic grosses, bringing in just thirty

1831
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: point eight million. The number one film that year, Three

1832
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: Men Out a Baby brought in one hundred and sixty

1833
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 1: seven point seven million. Wow, Oh the eighties. That was

1834
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,560
Speaker 1: the power of Steve Gutenberg. Though right there was a

1835
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 1: short circuit. No, oh, that's a great movie. Military Robot

1836
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 1: gets struck by lightning and gained sentience. But does it

1837
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: become whimsical or murderous? Where's it all pass? Yeah, as

1838
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: is so often the case with movies of this h

1839
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 1: ilk Willy Wonka, Hocus Pocus, Donnie Darko, Fight Club, etc.

1840
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: It when Princess Bride went on to become a smash

1841
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: in home release. The film has been embraced by several

1842
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: generations as a beloved classic. Probably obvious to anyone who

1843
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: whose ears perked up when we started going into this episode.

1844
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: Some of the more unusual facts about this legacy. It

1845
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 1: is apparently a favorite of the Mormons. Chris Surrandon, who

1846
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: played Prince Humperdink and you know, gave Susan Surrandon her

1847
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: stage name in the sixties, told the story of being

1848
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City where he, somehow, for some reason,

1849
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:53,959
Speaker 1: met the Attorney General of Utah, who told Chris Surrandon,

1850
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: do you know that in every home in Utah there's

1851
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 1: a video, a DVD and a blu ray of the

1852
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: Princess Bride. It's the most popular movie in the state

1853
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: of Utah. Sure, man, Okay man. Chris Random believes the

1854
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: Mormons love the film because it has good values to

1855
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: it and it's a message about love. But the power

1856
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: of the prison, the power of the Princess Bride transcends

1857
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 1: Christian sex. It is also a favor of the Pope.

1858
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Friends of the Pod. Kerrie Always once had the opportunity

1859
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 1: to meet Pope John Paul two, who greeted him by saying,

1860
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: you were the actor, the one from The Princess and

1861
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: the Bride. Very good film, very funny. Carrie also meant

1862
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: that guy was Polish, right, we just do a Polish

1863
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 1: joke in there. Yeah. Carrie met Bill Clinton, who claimed

1864
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: to have seen the movie over a hundred times and

1865
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: was just tickled. Probably don't use the word. Bill Clinton's

1866
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 1: in the room when Carrie offered to send an autographed

1867
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 1: script to Chelsea. And then there was the Iraq war

1868
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 1: veteran who told Carry that his commanding officer would send

1869
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: the men out on dangerous patrols with have unstorming the castle,

1870
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: and the soldier added that did a lot for morale.

1871
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: I am reading it as sarcasm, but it might not

1872
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 1: have been. This is the best one, though. Once Rob

1873
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: Ryner was approached by an extreme skier who told him

1874
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 1: this movie saved my life. She had been trapped in

1875
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 1: an avalanche and to keep herself help keep herself awake

1876
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: until she was rescued. She recited the whole movie from memory.

1877
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 1: But arguably Rhyner's most memorable encountered with a princess bride

1878
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: fankurt outside of a New York restaurant, A limo pulled

1879
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 1: up to the entrance, and a New York crime boss

1880
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:39,799
Speaker 1: and famous rat back to the rat corner, John Gotti

1881
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: stepped out, flanked by half a dozen henchmen. Taking notice

1882
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,759
Speaker 1: of Rhiner, Gotti turned to him and said, you killed

1883
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 1: my father. Prepared to die as you may expect. Hearing

1884
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 1: one of the most infamous mobsters in the world saying

1885
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: that to you was jarring, and Ryner didn't get the

1886
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: reference to his own film until Gotti burst out laughing

1887
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: and said, I love that movie. The Princess Bride now

1888
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: I gotta go right on a bunch of people. I

1889
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 1: love that John Mulaney bit where he talks about like

1890
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: his mom went to college with Bill Clinton and they

1891
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: like met at some event like decades later, and she

1892
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm not sure if you remember me,

1893
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 1: Like she came up to Bill Clint afterwards, and Bill

1894
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: Clinton goes, oh, hey, Eileen. Milady's punchline is because Bill

1895
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 1: Clinton never forgets a bitch. I was gonna say, I

1896
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: don't know how I would feel, but I wouldn't. I

1897
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't want Bill Clinton to remember my mom's name. No, yeah, okay,

1898
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're an agreement of that. Well anyway, all right,

1899
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: we're are we all right, We're almost there. Well, as

1900
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 1: with most good things, Hollywood has tried to ruin the

1901
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: Princess Bride with a remake, but we were saved from

1902
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 1: this fate by a fan revolt. Rumors of a possible

1903
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 1: Princess Bride remake begins spread across the internet twenty ten,

1904
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 1: and the backlash was so extreme that the remake rumblings

1905
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: immediately ceased project right, yeah, yeah, that's that gives me

1906
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: such hope. This project. It was never formally announced, So

1907
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: there's a possibility that it was just purely a rumor.

1908
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 1: But I kind of get the sense that the producer

1909
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 1: was testing the waters and then got scared off when

1910
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: he saw how hissed fans were about any discussion of remaking. Honestly,

1911
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 1: I wish that would happen more often. Yeah, I don't

1912
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: think it will. They can't forestall it forever. I mean,

1913
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 1: in this age, it's probably inevitable that we're going to

1914
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 1: get to it. I keep hearing that the Rock has

1915
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,759
Speaker 1: his big, meaty eyes set on big trouble Little China

1916
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 1: the second you know. I'd say half a notch down

1917
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: from unnecessary. Remake are mostly unnecessary Broadway musical adaptations, and

1918
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: it looks like we're going to get one that we

1919
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: didn't ask for. For The Princess Bride. In the spring

1920
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, Disney assigned Bob Martin and Rick Elsie

1921
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: to adapt the book for a Broadway musical with a

1922
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 1: proposed score by David Yasbeck, and these plans were obviously

1923
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: delayed in the wake of the pandemic, but in May

1924
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the president of Disney theatric Productions said in

1925
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 1: a memo to his staff that they were still in

1926
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: the midst of developing it. Weirdly, an abridged version of

1927
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: The Princess Bride, a musical version had been performed by

1928
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 1: the Royal Shakespeare Company in two thousand and one, but

1929
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 1: at the moment, I've been unable to find an update

1930
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 1: on that. Although the last time we said something like

1931
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 1: that was for Mean Girls, Like a day or two

1932
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: after we published the episode, they made a big announcement

1933
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: about the Mean Girls musical, So google it, folks. Yeah,

1934
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 1: they really just on that one, I know. And then

1935
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 1: I think the woman that had been saying kind of

1936
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: not nice things about Tina Fay because she felt like

1937
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,679
Speaker 1: Tina Fay didn't appropriately credit her, the woman who wrote

1938
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: the book that me was based on, I think like

1939
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: went big and possibly file an actual lawsuit against her.

1940
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 1: I think, really, yeah, I think so damn Our timing

1941
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 1: is off. I just googled this this morning. Mean Girls

1942
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: there takes legal action against paramount slams to unfe Yeah,

1943
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 1: all right. Studio allegedly told Wiseman that there have been

1944
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 1: no net profits from the franchise. Oh it was all

1945
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 1: it would accounting thing, despite spurring and Broadway musical upcoming

1946
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:16,600
Speaker 1: film remake. Oh yeah, they're doing a remake too. I

1947
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 1: forgot about that terrible we can't have nice things, no,

1948
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 1: So while there was no Princess Bride musical during the

1949
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: darkest days of the pandemic, we retreated to something a

1950
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 1: little different, a little more homemade. I'm referring to the

1951
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: fan made recreation of The Princess Bride that was produced

1952
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 1: and sort of directed by Jason Reitman, the guy who

1953
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: did Juno and Up in the Air and Thank You

1954
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 1: for Smoking. He listed the help of a truly insane

1955
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: cast of celebrities to film scenes from the movie on

1956
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: their phones while during lockdown, and then he assembled them

1957
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: together into something that loosely approximated a film. But because

1958
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: each of these actors only shot a few scenes, you

1959
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: had multiple people playing the same character. Wesley is played

1960
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: by stars and including Common, Chris Pine, and Jack Black.

1961
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Some buttercups include Tiffany Hatish, Jennifer Garner, and Joe Jonas,

1962
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: who did a gender swapping thing with his wife Sophie Turner,

1963
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:13,719
Speaker 1: who played yet another Wesley. Josh Gadd plays the little

1964
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 1: boy being reluctantly read the story in bed. Hugh Jackman

1965
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:20,599
Speaker 1: plays the villainous Prince Humperdink, wearing a dim Sum Steamer

1966
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: as his crown, and due to the pandemic, screen kisses

1967
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: were limited to real life couples lived together, which I

1968
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 1: thought was cute. Crowd scenes were fleshed out with lego characters,

1969
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: and one of the rodents of unusual size was played

1970
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: by a pet Corgi Vansi the Sicilian. The corgy been

1971
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 1: arrested the night before for arson for bed for burning

1972
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 1: down its own kennel. Vezzini the Sicilian was played both

1973
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: by Patton Oswalt, who I can imagine being very good

1974
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: in that, and Rain Wilson. Pedro Pascal and Keegan Michael

1975
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,919
Speaker 1: Keane both take terns as in Nigo Montoya. Jason Segeld

1976
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 1: was Andre the Giant, and there are also appearances by

1977
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:07,759
Speaker 1: Angie Circus, Elijah Wood, Beanie Feldstein, Teka Watiti, David Spade,

1978
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 1: John Hamm, Stephen Merchant, Mackenzie Davis, Nicholas Braun, Don Johnson,

1979
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 1: Ari Gayner, Thomas Lendon, Zoey Deutsch, and many, many, many more.

1980
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,639
Speaker 1: And this homemade Princess Bob was distributed on the short

1981
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 1: form content platform Quibbi the brandchild of Enemy of the

1982
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Pod Jeffrey Katzenberg. I need to talk about Jeffrey Katzenberg

1983
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: for a minute, so folks, I want to tell you

1984
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 1: a story. This has just happened to me the other day.

1985
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: It's freshened my mind. I was out of town for

1986
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 1: a week or so, and unfortunately I was out of

1987
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 1: town when my dear friend Alex Heigel was in New

1988
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,400
Speaker 1: York City, And even though I wasn't here to hang

1989
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: out with him, I gave him the keys to my apartment.

1990
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: And I returned back a few days ago and I

1991
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 1: found two things on my kitchen counter. One Heige left

1992
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: me the best gift I could possibly receive. It was

1993
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 1: a framed eight by ten autographed glossy of my beloved

1994
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: Michael Caine, which is now hanging on my front door.

1995
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: Do you ever forget what film it was from? No?

1996
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 1: I actually asked a friend who's a film archivist, and

1997
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 1: see if he knows, Harry asking, if you're listening, please

1998
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: let us know we're wondering. So that's one. And then

1999
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 1: I go, there's a package also on my kitchen counter,

2000
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 1: and I opened it and it is an autographed eight

2001
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 1: by ten glossy of Jeffrey Katzenberg from dear friend of

2002
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 1: the Pod, Phil. I don't want to. I won't give

2003
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: his last day because I don't want to embarrass him.

2004
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: But dear, dear, dear, the goodest friend of the Pod

2005
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 1: with a note saying congratulations on one hundred episodes. So

2006
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,560
Speaker 1: I had in my hands a signed autograph picture of

2007
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 1: Michael Caine and Jeffrey Katzenberg. I couldn't believe it. It was.

2008
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 1: It was a great day for me. So now and

2009
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: Yang of your personal Yes, So, Jeffrey Katzenberg, I gotta

2010
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,680
Speaker 1: find a good spot for that. I gotta like, I mean,

2011
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: I really should just like put it on the other

2012
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 1: side of my door to the term of visitors. Yeah, exactly. Anyway,

2013
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:09,639
Speaker 1: Jeffre Katzenberg still Enemy of the Pod despite my tremendous gift. Phil.

2014
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 1: If you're listening, I know you're listening. You're you're one

2015
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 1: of the biggest fans of this show. This is not over.

2016
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 1: We will I will respond in kind soon. But yeah,

2017
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 1: funding this Handmaid Princess Bride fan remaga is arguably the

2018
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: coolest thing Jeffrey Katzenberg has ever done. He backed the

2019
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: project pay for the rights to stream it on Queeby

2020
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: in small chapter sized installments, and considering this is all

2021
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 1: for charity, he made a million dollar donation to the

2022
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 1: World Central Kitchen, which equals about one hundred thousand meals,

2023
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. Writer William Goldman unfortunately died in twenty eighteen,

2024
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 1: but it had the full approval of his estate. Mark

2025
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 1: Nooffler permitted the use of his music. Rob Reiner not

2026
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 1: only approved of the project, he even stepped into play

2027
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 1: the grandfather role, which is very sweet, and it also

2028
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: features the final performance of Carl Reiner, Rob's dad, who

2029
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: plays Rob's grandfather in this movie. It's in the very

2030
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: last scene. It's the very last thing he ever shot,

2031
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 1: just I think, days before he died, and the film

2032
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 1: is dedicated to his memory. And you know what, I

2033
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 1: think that's actually a beautiful note to end on this

2034
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:20,560
Speaker 1: display of fandom crossing all sorts of generational and cultural boundaries.

2035
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: People coming together during an exceedingly dark time to celebrate

2036
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: this jibulate movie and all that time and effort and passion.

2037
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 1: I think that says more about the true legacy of

2038
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 1: the Princess Bride than any pithy comment that I could

2039
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 1: ever make. The love that people have for this movie

2040
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:39,840
Speaker 1: is truly inconceivable. Does that not work because that's actually

2041
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 1: an appropriate we use of that word. No, I think

2042
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: that's good. Okay, good, Yeah, I think he got it. Well, folks,

2043
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 1: thank you for scaling the clips of insanity with us

2044
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 1: of our own making. That's so much better than mine.

2045
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 1: This has been too much information. I'm Alex Hegel and

2046
01:52:56,200 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Runtag. We'll catch you next time. Too Much

2047
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:07,759
Speaker 1: Information was a production of iHeartRadio. The show's executive producers

2048
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk. The show's supervising producer

2049
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:14,560
Speaker 1: is Michael Alder June. The show was researched, written, and

2050
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 1: hosted by Jordan Runtalg and Alex Heigel, with original music

2051
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