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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, indeed we do. First of all,

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Speaker 1: nice to be back in the studio. Nice to have

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Speaker 1: and we do have a whole lot to get to you

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Speaker 1: you this morning. First of all, the evacuation mission in

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Speaker 1: Some major updates on who is getting vaccinated and what

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Speaker 1: We also have doctor treef to Parsy in to talk

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Speaker 1: about Afghanistan and the Middle East more broadly. Also programming

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Speaker 1: note for you guys in terms of the future of

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Speaker 1: my day and Tuesday lockdown. Crystal is taking off at

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Speaker 1: then we are all good to go, so gotten many emails.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, Everything's fine. It's a very crazy period and

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Speaker 1: I just happen to have had COVID which screwed everything up.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, Crystal, but I'm so happy to be back. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: it is nice to be back in the studio. It's

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Speaker 1: to start this morning with the devastating scenes coming out

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Speaker 1: fitting and tragic end to this war than an American

433
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Speaker 1: drone strike killing babies and civilians and then military commanders

434
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Speaker 1: lying about it, which is what's happening this morning. This

435
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: is horror after horror, and I cannot understand looking at

436
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Speaker 1: this situation and saying anything other than we need to

437
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: get out now, and we should have been out years

438
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Speaker 1: and years ago. So the official evacuations that phase is ending.

439
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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, the deadline is tomorrow. They have already

440
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Speaker 1: shifted to focusing on evacuating our service members from Kable

441
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Speaker 1: Airport rather than Afghan civilians. As Zager was saying, about

442
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Speaker 1: one hundred and ten thousand plus people have been evacuated,

443
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Speaker 1: which is tremendously more than what anyone predicted could have

444
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Speaker 1: possibly be accomplished. Which is rather incredible given the circumstances. However,

445
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Speaker 1: the last piece of news we have for you here

446
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Speaker 1: is that the US and ninety seven other countries have

447
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Speaker 1: announced we can throw this tear sheet up on the screen,

448
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Speaker 1: that they do have a deal with the Taliban to

449
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Speaker 1: continue evacuating Afghan allies after August thirty. First, we still

450
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Speaker 1: look it's the Taliban. No one is like taking their

451
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Speaker 1: word for it or relying on them or trusting them.

452
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Speaker 1: But at least there is some indication that the Taliban

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Speaker 1: says they're going to allow for safe passage for our

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Speaker 1: Afghan allies. So we'll continue to work with these ninety

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Speaker 1: seven other countries to evacuate who we can in terms

456
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Speaker 1: of American citizens and our Afghan allies after this state.

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Speaker 1: So there is some hope there that at least some

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Speaker 1: additional people can get out. People have a lot of

459
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Speaker 1: skepticism around this, and I don't blame you, but what

460
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Speaker 1: I would tell you is to recognize the reality of

461
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Speaker 1: the situation. We do not have either the political will

462
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Speaker 1: or the military force right now in order to endure

463
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Speaker 1: the number of casualties that it would require to hold

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Speaker 1: the city of Kabbal, or to remain there indefinitely. If

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Speaker 1: we stay past August thirty first, then that's it. Already

466
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Speaker 1: this morning we saw five rockets that were fired at

467
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Speaker 1: Hamad Karzai International Airport. Luckily, we are one of the

468
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Speaker 1: only good things the military is decently good at in

469
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Speaker 1: the War on Terror is actually countering like rockets, right,

470
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Speaker 1: and so that ended up working out. So that's great,

471
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Speaker 1: but that means it would have happened incessantly over and over.

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Speaker 1: Go and talk to anybody who served in country in

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Speaker 1: Iraq and Afghanistan at the heights. They're terrified of rockets,

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Speaker 1: especially in Iraq on these bases, and they would have

475
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Speaker 1: alarms and a lot of people were killed that way.

476
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Speaker 1: So this is just to recognize that staying longer is

477
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Speaker 1: going to put thousands of American soldiers at risk, and

478
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Speaker 1: we have a diplomatic ability in order to at least

479
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Speaker 1: try to get our people out through those means. Now, look,

480
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Speaker 1: we have ability to impose tremendous military and economic costs

481
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Speaker 1: on the Taliban if we want to. As actually this

482
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Speaker 1: the one smart things that the Biden people have been saying.

483
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Speaker 1: The Taliban have no desire to return to the pariah

484
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Speaker 1: state of nineteen ninety nine, they were under tremendous international sanction.

485
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Speaker 1: They had no ability to trade. That's one of the

486
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Speaker 1: reasons that their own government given the civil war. One

487
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Speaker 1: of the things their opponents could point to is that

488
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Speaker 1: actually their government was bringing shame to them internationally. So

489
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Speaker 1: they want more than anything, diplomatic recognition, the ability to

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Speaker 1: have trade, the ability to conduct themselves as a semi

491
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Speaker 1: legitimate nation amongst the concert of the world. So what

492
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Speaker 1: does that mean, Well, we have the UN and the

493
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Speaker 1: UN Security Council, we can actually impose tremendous costs on

494
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Speaker 1: the ability for them to conduct themselves. And second we

495
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Speaker 1: can also we have this superiority of air power to

496
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Speaker 1: do whatever we want to them militarily even when all

497
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Speaker 1: of our people are out. And so I would just

498
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Speaker 1: point to that as a pretty good amount of leverage

499
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Speaker 1: in order to see if they're going to uphold the

500
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Speaker 1: end of the deal. And not to mention, we've already

501
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Speaker 1: frozen billions of dollars and you don't want that Afghan reserves.

502
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Speaker 1: So that's immediate point of financial leverage. And they know

503
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to deliver economically. Afghanistan already with

504
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: the amount of aid dollars US and other international aid

505
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: dollars that are going out of the country right now.

506
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Speaker 1: They recognize that the economy is basically in free flow.

507
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Speaker 1: And this is one of the other things I was

508
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Speaker 1: reading is just like a practical matter. The banks are

509
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: closed right now. There have been protests outside of the banks.

510
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: They're very worried about a run on banks. People go

511
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: to the ATMs, they can't get cash out, so people

512
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: are already freaking out about that. Also, frankly, one of

513
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Speaker 1: the big cash crops in Afghanistan has been opium. That's

514
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Speaker 1: how they make their money. The US is just look

515
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Speaker 1: the other way. In some instances and other instances we've

516
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Speaker 1: partnered directly with the drug kingpins in various parts of

517
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Speaker 1: the country. Taliban is claiming to crack down on opium

518
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Speaker 1: production as well. We'll see, but I think this is

519
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: another attempt to gain international legitimacy. But if they are

520
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: in fact cracking down an opium production, that actually is

521
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: a big economic issue for them as well, because this

522
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Speaker 1: is the way that for many years a lot of

523
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Speaker 1: Afghan farmers have been able to earn their living. And

524
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Speaker 1: so largely rural country, and even though much of the

525
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Speaker 1: land can't be farmed because it's so mountainous. You still

526
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Speaker 1: have a majority of citizens who engage in farming as

527
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Speaker 1: their livelihoods, so they have massive economic challenges. The US

528
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: has a lot of financial leverage that can be applied here.

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Speaker 1: I do not support the indefinite freezing of billions of

530
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Speaker 1: dollars of Afghan reserves, by the way, because that does

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Speaker 1: nothing but impose cruelty on the people of that country,

532
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Speaker 1: but to use as a point of financial leverage to

533
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Speaker 1: be able to get our people out and as many

534
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Speaker 1: of our Afghan allies as possible. Yes, one hundred percent

535
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Speaker 1: I support that. I completely agree with you. And anyway,

536
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Speaker 1: all of this is to be said, Yeah, look, they

537
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: can be blood thirsty murders, but they're also blood thirsty

538
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: murders who need to now run this country and have

539
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Speaker 1: to try and maintain some sort of legitimacy. And people

540
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: all seem to think that just because somebody you know

541
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: is your enemy, that they don't also have to act

542
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: rationally whenever it comes to, you know, protecting their own

543
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: interests like that was one of the things I saw

544
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Speaker 1: around the isis attack. Hey, so remember how we told

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551
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get to this next piece because

552
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: it directly ties to what I was just previously talking about,

553
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Speaker 1: which is that immediately after these service members, before we

554
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Speaker 1: even knew their names, by the time that you know,

555
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: before even the wounded were on their way to Germany

556
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Speaker 1: to undergo surgery, we saw the media kick itself into

557
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Speaker 1: the highest gear of fear mongering and warmongering that I

558
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Speaker 1: have seen in quite some time. The worst single example

559
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Speaker 1: that I saw in the immediate aftermath of the deaths

560
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Speaker 1: of thirteen American service members, they invited on General h

561
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Speaker 1: a former General H. R. McMaster who was the National

562
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Speaker 1: Security advisor under Trump, to baselessly float one of the

563
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Speaker 1: most ridiculous conspiracy theories with zero pushback on none other

564
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Speaker 1: than CNN. Let's take a listen to what he said.

565
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Speaker 1: This is what we're facing, and this is what happens

566
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Speaker 1: when you surrender to Jahada's terrorists. And I think, what's

567
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Speaker 1: important about this. You may hear this is isis K

568
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, but these terrorist organizations exist in an ecosystem

569
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Speaker 1: along the Afghanistan Pakistan border and now all across Afghanistan

570
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Speaker 1: in which they share people and resources. You know, Sarasha

571
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Speaker 1: Khani is the military commitder of the Taliban, and he's

572
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Speaker 1: a central figure in al Qaeda. This is a myth

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Speaker 1: right that the Taliban is separate from al Qaeda and

574
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Speaker 1: these other groups. I would not be surprised in any

575
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Speaker 1: way if ices K was used a Kabol attack network

576
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Speaker 1: was used as a cut out for the Taliban so

577
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: they can humiliate us on the way out and still

578
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: continue to play us because I don't think they think

579
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: we're serious people, Jim, I mean, so that our weakness

580
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: is encouraged them to be emboldened. So there's no evidence

581
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Speaker 1: of that whatsoever. And the CNN guy, all he has

582
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: to say, Jim Shudo, is mmm, yeah, okay, here's my well. Actually,

583
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: so get this. The first person that the Taliban killed

584
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Speaker 1: whenever they took over the city of Kabbal was the

585
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Speaker 1: ISIS commander who happened to be in prison. You know why.

586
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Speaker 1: They have been at war in Nangarhar Province near the

587
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: Pakistani border since twenty fourteen, whenever they developed, because ISIS

588
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: and the Taliban have completely different you know, interpretations, if

589
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: you will, well jihadism. I know this because this is

590
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: what I used to do for a living. And in

591
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: terms of the declaration of the caliphate internationally, all of

592
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Speaker 1: that the abuse of force against their own fellow Muslims,

593
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Speaker 1: all of the Taliban itself have violated that against Hazaras

594
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Speaker 1: many times. More of what I'm saying, though, is that

595
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: these groups hate each other. They challenge each other for

596
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Speaker 1: legitimacy in that region, and there has never been any

597
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: evidence going all the way back twenty fourteen they're working

598
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: together in any way. And yet he is out there

599
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Speaker 1: saying that, oh, it's possible that it was used as

600
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Speaker 1: a cutout. You cannot baselessly float conspiracy theories around the

601
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Speaker 1: killing of thirteen American service members right after their deaths

602
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: so irresponsibly like that, wildly irresponsible, even if it was plausible,

603
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: which it's not. Yeah, it's not, because, as you just said,

604
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Speaker 1: I mean, we actually backed the Taliban in their fight

605
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Speaker 1: against ISIS. ISIS views the Taliban as basically like a

606
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: cello Taliban. They're al Kaida, who he also says, the

607
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: goals have been to dominate Afghanistan. ISIS and al Qaida

608
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Speaker 1: have this global jihad philosophy. They are very different groups,

609
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Speaker 1: and ISIS and the Taliban hate each other. And when

610
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Speaker 1: I first heard this clip from hr McMaster, I only

611
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Speaker 1: heard it and I didn't see who the reporter was.

612
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: There's Jim Shudo, Okay, so I just assumed, like, oh,

613
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Speaker 1: this is some CNN dummy who doesn't know anything enough

614
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Speaker 1: to be like, you know, these two groups don't really

615
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Speaker 1: like each other, right. Jim Shudo is their senior national

616
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Speaker 1: security correspondent, has been since twenty thirteen. Before that, he

617
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Speaker 1: worked for Obama. If anyone, yeah, before that he works

618
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Speaker 1: as a government for Obama. If anyone at that entire

619
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Speaker 1: network should know this very basic fact. It is not

620
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Speaker 1: man and same thing with hr McMaster. Okay, this is

621
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Speaker 1: not an instance of oh, they just don't know any better. No,

622
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Speaker 1: he's lying. He knows better. Okay, he knows the truth.

623
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Speaker 1: He knows these groups hate each other, but he wants

624
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Speaker 1: to spin and gaslate and freak out Americans. Why because

625
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Speaker 1: part of even as soon as Biden actually committed to

626
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Speaker 1: getting out of Afghanistan, we started seeing these stories about

627
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Speaker 1: Oh terrorism, Oh, be very afraid. Listen. I'm not saying

628
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Speaker 1: that it's not an issue. I'm not saying it's not

629
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Speaker 1: something that we don't need to be concerned about and

630
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Speaker 1: keep our eye on. There are a lot of other

631
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Speaker 1: countries that have more active jihattis that post more of

632
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Speaker 1: a direct threat to the United States than Afghanistan. AT's point,

633
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Speaker 1: gonna invade them as well, you want to occupy them too,

634
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Speaker 1: I mean that's but yes, that's actually they would love that.

635
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Speaker 1: Actually that they would love that, And that's why he

636
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Speaker 1: comes up with this instant invention of a completely insane

637
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Speaker 1: and baseless conspiracy theory. You might even call it misinformation. Yeah, oh,

638
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Speaker 1: I would absolutely call it misinformation. And here's a reminder

639
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: from Mattaglesius about what exactly how the media covers it

640
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Speaker 1: and the shamelessness that these people have put this up

641
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Speaker 1: there on the screen. The very first month that McMaster

642
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: was on the job, forty nine people were killed during

643
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Speaker 1: an hour's long assault on a military hospital in Kabble.

644
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Speaker 1: I actually remember this attack and it was ISIS gunman

645
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Speaker 1: who were coming through the Sardar Duad Khan Military Hospital

646
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Speaker 1: in Kabble that attack. Some of them were dressed in white.

647
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Speaker 1: Hospital Forty nine people were killed in the hours on

648
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Speaker 1: assault and sixty three people were injured. It's barely a blurb.

649
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: At that time, I was actually writing about all this

650
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: stuff for a living, and it was maddening. I've spoken

651
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: here publicly. One of the things that turned me against

652
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: the war so vociferously is having at that time to

653
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: write obituaries of kids who were not just younger than me,

654
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot younger than me. I remember these nineteen and

655
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: twenty year olds who stepped on an ied while they

656
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: were out on patrol against ISIS in Nangarhar Province, out

657
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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, back all the way back twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.

658
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Speaker 1: Getting the media to cover it, it was impossible. It

659
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Speaker 1: was like me and a couple of other Pentagon people,

660
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: that was it. Nobody cared about their lives at the time.

661
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: There were twenty thirty people a year getting killed. Then

662
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: nobody cared. It was like basically relegated to the back pages.

663
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: The families were suffering just as much as these families were.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, every once in a while they

665
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: would get coverage on local news. The local news are

666
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: always the best because you know, it's the high school

667
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: or whatever that would hold and there would be like

668
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Speaker 1: some ceremony at home. Nothing CNN was talking about Mueller.

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Speaker 1: That's where they were talking about Russia Gate when all

670
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: of this was happening. Just remember in terms of their

671
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: selective outrage and who else do they decide in order

672
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Speaker 1: to bring onto their network? Leon Panetta. He was a

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Speaker 1: defense secretary under Obama. So they love this former Obama secretary.

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Speaker 1: Listen to what he has to say for the real

675
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: mindset of the national security establishment here in Washington, the

676
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: deaths of thirteen American service members only confirms to them

677
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Speaker 1: that we have to stay forever. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: So he is sticking with the August thirty first deadline.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's made it clear that even after that

680
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Speaker 1: they'll do whatever they can. But he's sticking with it.

681
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Speaker 1: He is not extending it. And it is what it is,

682
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: is what he says. So do you agree with that?

683
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Speaker 1: Is it right to stick with us August thirty first date? Well, Aaron,

684
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Speaker 1: the bottom line is that our work is not done

685
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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. I know we'll be removing our troops by

686
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Speaker 1: a certain date, but the bottom line is our work

687
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: is not done. We're going to have to go after ISIS.

688
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad the President said that we're going to hunt

689
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Speaker 1: them down and make them pay a price for what

690
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: they did in killing our warriors, and we should. We're

691
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: going to have to go back in to get ISIS.

692
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Speaker 1: We're probably going to go have to go back in

693
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Speaker 1: when al Qaeda resurrects itself, as they will with this Taliban.

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Speaker 1: They've gave safe haven to the al Qaeda before, they'll

695
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Speaker 1: probably do it again. So yeah, you know, I understand

696
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Speaker 1: that we're trying to get our troops out of there,

697
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: but the bottom line is we can leave a battlefield,

698
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: but we can't leave the war on terrorism, which still

699
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: is a threat to our security. She just sits there

700
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Speaker 1: and accepts it. There, mister Secretary, with respect, what evidence

701
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: is there to say say that the Taliban are going

702
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: to allow al Qaeda to resurrect themselves, as it's a

703
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: direct violation of the agreement that we have and would

704
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: actually be the perfect pretext for us to re invade them.

705
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Speaker 1: Or bomb them, you know, to the back to the

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Speaker 1: Stone Ages. We could easily do that, and that's actually

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Speaker 1: a literal predicate for also our use of military force

708
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Speaker 1: under that agreement. Why would they have an incentive to

709
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Speaker 1: do that. Look, if they do so, then okay, let's go.

710
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Speaker 1: But you know that's not necessarily in the cards. And

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00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: yet he pushes this with absolute certainty. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have to go back in I'll remind the Secretary that

713
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: the entire ISIS campaign in Syria was largely accomplished by

714
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Speaker 1: use of air power and through the actual locals. Not

715
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: some of them have we backed in terms of what

716
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Speaker 1: happened there, but they're the ones that fought in that war,

717
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: or the Iraqi security forces. Why is there not a

718
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: plausible alternative here that that could happen in this particular case.

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Speaker 1: If that dramatically unlikely scenario even resurrects itself, it just

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Speaker 1: shows you. But they only have one speed. We have

721
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: to go back, we have to stay, We have to

722
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Speaker 1: stay forever. And really, as a twentieth anniversary of nine

723
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Speaker 1: to eleven begins to come back up, and I just

724
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: can't help but think it's unbelievable how nothing has changed. Well,

725
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: nothing has changed in these people. The only not of

726
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: these people's minds, at least in the American people. The

727
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: American people are over it though. I mean, we talked

728
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: about last week that poll that they were like, this

729
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: was the most hawkish framing possible, where they're like, what

730
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Speaker 1: about if allowing the Taliban to take over meant that

731
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Speaker 1: al Qaeda was going to gain a foothold in Afghanistan?

732
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Speaker 1: People were like, no, we should should still get out,

733
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: should still get out? This war on terror scare mongering

734
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't work the way that it used to. But

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Speaker 1: as you were saying, look, the Taliban are rational actors

736
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Speaker 1: in protecting their interest in a certain sense. They regret

737
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: harboring Bin Laden because it's what led to their We

738
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: had the destroyed by the way they offered to surrender,

739
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: by the way which we should have taken, but we

740
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Speaker 1: didn't because of our own hubris and arrogance way back

741
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, two thousand and two. So

742
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Speaker 1: that is what led to their destruction. They aren't anxious

743
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Speaker 1: to revisit that particular history. So there's that, just as

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00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. And again, the ability of these

745
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: people to just float some random shit that has no

746
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: basis in whatever and receive no pushback, and they know

747
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: they're not going to get any pushback on CNN is insane.

748
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Speaker 1: Nor would they have got any pushback on MSNBC or

749
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: Fox News either, by the way, where they have their

750
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Speaker 1: own insanity spinning of a very similar variety. But also,

751
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: let's not forget who Leon Panetta is. This guy was

752
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Speaker 1: involved in the Surge which we were all told was working.

753
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Speaker 1: What happened Leon? What happened? Leon? I thought that the

754
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Afghan search was a success. And if you go and

755
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: look at the Afghanistan papers, he's one of the people

756
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Speaker 1: that was directly lying to the mare and people over

757
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: years and telling us how great this was all going.

758
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: So why don't you tell us there, Leon Panetta, how

759
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: great this all went and what a wonderful, excellent mission

760
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: this ultimately was. Because he was one of the people

761
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Speaker 1: at the center of lying to and misleading the American

762
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Speaker 1: people over years. And we have one more example for

763
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: you here of the sort of people that the media

764
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Speaker 1: calls on for quote unquote analysis as if they're disinterested actors,

765
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Speaker 1: and they never disclose that many of these people now

766
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: earn their living through being part of the military industrial complex.

767
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Speaker 1: So this is from Adam Johnson on his substack, which

768
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Speaker 1: is called the column. He calls out New York Times

769
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Speaker 1: Peter Baker, who wrote this analysis piece quote unquote, which

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Speaker 1: is what they do here is when their reporters are

771
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: super opinionated, rather than just labeling it as an op ed,

772
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: they put this analysis label on it to enable them

773
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: to sort of like give you their opinion, but it's

774
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Speaker 1: actually news. And so who did he reach to for

775
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: an independent, neutral opinion on what was going in Afghanistan?

776
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: A woman named Megan O'Sullivan, who she says, you know

777
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: that Biden has been painting this says either we get

778
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: out or we stayed, but in fact there was this

779
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: glorious middle ground. So she's presented as this independent analyst.

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Speaker 1: Never does he disclose that she's a board member of Raytheon, Raytheon,

781
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Speaker 1: which has massive financial interest in continuing a presence in

782
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Speaker 1: Afghanistan and any other country in the world indefinitely. That

783
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: seems like a relevant piece of information to include in

784
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: your quote unquote reporting about what quote independent experts have

785
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: to say about Afghanistan. This is one example that Intercept

786
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: went through and gave like ten other ones of people

787
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: who were being called on by cable news bookers and

788
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: by the New York Times and Washing Pos and everyone

789
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: else to act as if they're just independent, neutral experts

790
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: who have direct financial interest in staying in Afghanistan that

791
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: are never ever presented and disclosed. And it's disgusting. Yeah,

792
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: and I know you said the American people aren't there,

793
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: but I don't know, Crystal. I have seen people who

794
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: two years ago were all about America first and all

795
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: about you know, changing, just completely flip on a dime

796
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to this. And honestly, I think that

797
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: this amount of propaganda, it is going to have an effect.

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Speaker 1: And I know that the polls are dramatically going to

799
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: be impacted in terms of the uh in terms of

800
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: COVID and the economy for Biden. Yeah, but I think

801
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: that this is going to have It's not necessarily about

802
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: Afghanistan itself. It's just about, you know, when you're already

803
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: getting smacked on two different issues than having a third,

804
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: it just creates this cycle. And the worst part is

805
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: is that this is going to show Biden that when

806
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: you or any president, if you cross these people, they

807
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: will do everything in order to destroy you. Yeah, that

808
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: the system is complete architected against you. And so in

809
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: the future, whenever there's a decision that might come, let's

810
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: say another Libya decision that's actually the perfect example, some

811
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: sort of Libya thing where NATO and the foreign policy

812
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Speaker 1: hawks want us to go in the natural inclination of

813
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Speaker 1: the president. Then Obama at the time was no, I

814
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: don't want to do this. But you get boxed in

815
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: and you realize the media is going to make it

816
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: so that every death you know or whatever in Bengazi

817
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: is on your head. Does Biden have the fortitude to

818
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: stand up to that? I mean he did in this case,

819
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: maybe not the next, and maybe another more craven president

820
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: comes after that, Pete Boota general Trump. Frankly, even in

821
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: many of the Republicans who are seen on the top

822
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: stage here, they've all turned on a dime. So what

823
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: does that mean? That means we're screwed. And so watching

824
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: this has personally been one of the most like black

825
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: pilling incidents that has happened to me in a really

826
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: long time in terms of how much the media can

827
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: move discourse, how much it can move public opinion, and

828
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: the way that the is establishment even if they are

829
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: out of touch with the majority of the American people,

830
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: they can control all of your universe of options so

831
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: that they always win no matter which course that you take. Here, well,

832
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: there are two different pieces here. There's number one of

833
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: the American people still support getting out of Afghanistan, and

834
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: the answer consistently has been yes. The moment that, you know,

835
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: if Biden were to turn around and be like, We're

836
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: going back in, people will be like, what right, Hell, no,

837
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: that's different from you know, they try to separate these

838
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: two things out and say, yes, of course we still

839
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: want to get out. But the way that Biden did

840
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: it is so bad. People have really bought into that.

841
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like an overwhelming opinion of he's And

842
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: we will both acknowledge this has been this has not

843
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: been great, and Joe Biden not known for his competence

844
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: throughout his entire career. His press conference is bad. It

845
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: didn't look good. Press conference was bad, but I mean

846
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: way beyond a press conference. And this is also falls

847
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: on the military, which had months and months to plan

848
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: for this and apparently didn't really bother to. But ultimately

849
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: the buckstops with Biden, and there's no doubt that this

850
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: has all been extraordinarily chaotic and messy, and I'm sure

851
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: in the aftermath there will be actual tactical, strategic decisions

852
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: that could have been made that would have led to

853
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: a better outcome. I don't deny that whatsoever. But I

854
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: think what the media has been very effective in doing

855
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: is I do think they have. They have tremendously damaged Biden.

856
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: I mean, his approval rating has taken a big hit

857
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: in part that is definitely because of the economy and

858
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: definitely because of COVID, some of which is in his hands,

859
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: some of which is not in his hands. But there

860
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: is no doubt this has given him. I think the

861
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: aura of incompetence in bumbling is the biggest thing that

862
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: people take out of this, and frankly, it's they're not

863
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: off base from reading that into Biden because again, taking

864
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: let's put his presidency aside, like throughout his career and

865
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: as vice president, he is not known as a organizationally

866
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: efficient manager and competent executive. That's not his thing, Okay,

867
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's actually crazy for people to

868
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: take that away from him. Democrats were already screwed in

869
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: the midterms that's just the fact of the matter. They

870
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: didn't do what it takes to redistrict that would have

871
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: given them somewhat of a chance. They would have to

872
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: buck history, which is against them and against whatever powerty

873
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: is in power. People are feeling jittery about the economy.

874
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: Delta is in really bad. I mean it's really bad

875
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: right now. I hit us here at breaking points and

876
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: is impacting you know, hundreds of thousands of people across

877
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: the country right now. So politically, I think he's in

878
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: really dire shape. And you're exactly right. The only things

879
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: that the media actually praised Trump for were when he

880
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: took militaristic actions, when he did strikes in Syria, when

881
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: he took out cost and solo money, and then suddenly

882
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: CNN loved him. So they're one overarching ideology where they

883
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: will stop just being shameless partisans cheer leaders. Is when

884
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: it comes to militarism. They are all committed militarists. Go

885
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: against the military industrial complex. You will pay. It's such

886
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: a price if you launch a new war, drone strike civilians,

887
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I mean, that's the only thing they've

888
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: really praised him for is these drone strikes, which were

889
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: learning killed Afghan babies. So that is the one consistent

890
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: thread running throughout all of partisan media. All right, we

891
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: also have some additional really bad news here regarding the

892
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: eviction moratorium. Again, like I said, this is not unforeseen. However,

893
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: let me just throw the details here up on the screen.

894
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: For a Supreme Court has ruled that Biden's eviction moratorium

895
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: exceeded the authority of the CDC. This was expected because

896
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: the last time that Trump's eviction moratorium was upheld by

897
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, it was actually Brett Kavanaugh who had

898
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: a little note there that said, listen, I'm gonna go

899
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: along with this for now, but this really, if we're

900
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: going to extend it further, it really needs to be

901
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: done through an Act of Congress. Everybody knew that. Everybody

902
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: saw that. It was pretty plain to see. Nancy Pelosi

903
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, Joe Biden didn't do anything. They waited

904
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: till the last minute, came down to the deadline, and

905
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: clearly Joe Biden was not planning on doing anything. He

906
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: was hoping this was just going to quietly expire and

907
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: they're going to keep moving forward. No one was really

908
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: going to notice because the mean he was wrapped up

909
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: in something else, but turned out Corey Bush really shamed

910
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: him and shamed Pelosi as well by sleeping out on

911
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: the Capitol steps and calling a lot of attention to

912
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: the plight of You have millions of American families who

913
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: at risk of eviction now with this moratorium expiring. So

914
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: what they did at the time, as they said, Okay, listen,

915
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: we don't know if this is gonna pas pass judicial muster,

916
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: but at least if we craft a new eviction moratory

917
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: and that's more limited, there's a fig leaf of illegal justification. Maybe,

918
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: just maybe we might get somewhere with that. But more importantly,

919
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: it gives people a little more time so that more

920
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: of that rental relief that was appropriated could go out

921
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: the door. I'm going to get to that pause for

922
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: a moment on that. Let me get to that in

923
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: just a moment, because the immediate impacts at the end

924
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: of the eviction moratorium are already being felt. Could throw

925
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: this tear sheet up on the screen is local from

926
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: the Mississippi Free Press. Mass evictions already underway in Mississippi

927
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: in Starkfield. This is another state really hard hit with COVID.

928
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: We know that when people are evicted and have housing

929
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: and stability, that also leads to the spread of the virus.

930
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: In this particular instance instance, this entire apartment complex, everybody

931
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: is being evicted, and it's actually not clear that the

932
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: moratorium even would have saved them, because under Mississippi law,

933
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: there's a new owner. They wanted to kick everybody out

934
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: apparently refurbish the place. So dire situations like this starting

935
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: to unfold all the way across the country. But as

936
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: I was saying, the original idea was, we're going to

937
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: buy some time here so we can get more rental

938
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: relief out the door, so that landlords can be made whole,

939
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: so that tenants can stay in their properties and we

940
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: don't face a mass homelessness crisis. Did any of that happen? No, no,

941
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: it didn't. Let's start the next tear sheet up on

942
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: the screen. Rental relief barely picked up at all in July. Okay,

943
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: So people did not, in fact, towns and states and

944
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: the federal government did not, in fact get their act

945
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: together and say, my gosh, we've got this ticking time clock.

946
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: We know this is likely to get struck down. We

947
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: got to get the money out the door. Got to

948
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: get the money out the door. That did not happen.

949
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Only a tiny fraction of the rental relief dollars have

950
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: gone out, so it's one point five billion went out

951
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: the door in June. Only one point seven billion went

952
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: out the door in July, so a little uptick. And

953
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: only about five billion of the fifty billion that was

954
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: appropriated has actually gone out the door. So this program

955
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: has been a complete failure. People are now screwed, the

956
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: media doesn't seem to care, and there's a genuine crisis

957
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: now on our hands. It's one of the stunning things

958
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: I think on this is that this is an area

959
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: where the lack of competence in the Biden administration is

960
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: just so stark, Like eighty nine percent of these funds

961
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: haven't been withdrawn, and there really is like no coverage

962
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: of it whatsoever. I do think that it was foolish

963
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: in the first place in order to try and sign this,

964
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: because the Supreme Court was blatant about it. There's a

965
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: six or three conservative majority. They were like, look, Kevin,

966
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna let this stand. And

967
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: then Roberts obviously went along with that. Same with Amy

968
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: Cony Barrett and it got struck down. So now you're

969
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: in this crazy situation and now it's you know, obviously

970
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: going forward, the rental release relief didn't get out the door.

971
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure. Somebody needs to do a good

972
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: explainer here of like why these people are so incompetent

973
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: that they're unable to disperse funds, Like you have money

974
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: sitting in the bank and somebody needs it, Like what's

975
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: going on here? Yeah, I think it's also incredibly unfair,

976
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: which is that a lot of landlords, you know, basically

977
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: held you know, they had to hold on for months

978
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: and months. I'm seeing stories out now. This is actually

979
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: screwing a lot of normal people, which is that in

980
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: places with the eviction more torum, they're demanding like six

981
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: months rent upfront because they're like, we can't evict you,

982
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: so you have to Who has six months rent sitting

983
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: in the bank. I once had to do two months

984
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: rent upfront and it was like the worst thing ever,

985
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: And so I can't even imagine somebody who's in dire straits.

986
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: It distorted our whole rental market when the reality is

987
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: we planned for this entire situation. The money was there

988
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to have gone out. So that's

989
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: the real failure. Now you have the landlords, you know,

990
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: campaigning for the eviction more torum because they're not even

991
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: getting the money. You have the tenants that are ultimately

992
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: going to get screwed, the small ones in particular, the landlords.

993
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: They're done. I think they probably have to sell. And

994
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, now people are going to be homeless. So

995
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: it's just a story of government and competence all the

996
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: way around that just comes together to screw over normal people.

997
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: And not a lot of people are covering it. That's

998
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: the worst part that Mississippi article. Where are you going

999
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: to see that anywhere else? I don't know. I already

1000
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: know the answer to that. That is exactly it. The

1001
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: latest numbers say six million Americans behind on their rent

1002
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: at risk of eviction. Okay, that's a disaster. That is

1003
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: a disaster. I had the numbers of how many were

1004
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: foreclosed on during the Great Recession and it was not

1005
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: even into the millions. Okay, so you're talking about a

1006
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: potentially huge crisis. And as we discussed before, I mean

1007
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: a few things are more devastating to people than losing

1008
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: a place to live. Especially when you have kids and

1009
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: you have that instability. They need to be going to school,

1010
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: they need to have just a stable place that they

1011
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: can go home to. You end up either if you're

1012
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: in a group congregate setting, that's a terrible state of affairs.

1013
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: If you end up CouchSurfing at a friend or neighbor

1014
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: relatives house, that can also put vulnerable children at risk.

1015
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that starts a devastating downward spiral.

1016
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: Becomes very difficult to get a job because you don't

1017
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: have a fixed address. All of these compounding problems, and

1018
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: no one seems to care. Very little from the elites

1019
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: here in DC, very little from the media, which is

1020
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: more interested in trying to get us back into or

1021
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: start a new war right now. That's where their attention lies.

1022
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: And like, look, I get it, there's a lot going

1023
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: on right now with the storm and going on with Afghanistan.

1024
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: But I would think that six million Americans potentially becoming

1025
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: homeless might merit a news item. That's just me Well,

1026
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: Mississippi in particular, you know, it's the hardest hit state,

1027
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: but that's it, and they were totally wrecked. They had

1028
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: no plans in order for all of US is reading

1029
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: a big article this morning, and you know, their ICUs

1030
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: are filling up nearly all the way because they also

1031
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: have a large unvaccinated population. That's right, it's you know,

1032
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: it's just terrible. Yeah, it absolutely is. And speaking of coronavirus,

1033
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: we have some new numbers for you this morning, both

1034
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: good and bad, some good ones. So let's the good

1035
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: ones at least. Let's start with that one. Let's put

1036
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: that up there on the screen, which is that we

1037
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: had one point one million shots, highest single day total

1038
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: in nearly two months. That's from the White House. Now,

1039
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: a lot of that is frankly just driven by what

1040
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: happened with the delta variant, and we have seen a

1041
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: huge spike in case is you know, the most that

1042
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: we've seen almost since January, and the number of debts

1043
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: also creeping back up. Over the one thousand dollars a

1044
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: day are one thousand deaths a day mark, unfortunately. But

1045
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: what that really does show us is that the profile

1046
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: of the unvaccinated and more is also beginning to shift.

1047
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: So let's put this up there from the New York Times,

1048
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: which actually did a pretty good investigation. One of the

1049
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: things that we told you repeatedly is that Black Americans

1050
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: were most likely to be unvaccinated per capita. That's actually

1051
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: changed quite a bit. And really, Crystal, that confirms some

1052
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: of the data that we dug into from the Kaiser

1053
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: Family Foundation, which is that what the Kauser Family Foundation

1054
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: showed us was that Black Americans at the time, and

1055
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: this is when DELTA was less prevalent, were in the

1056
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: much more likely to be in the wait and see approach. Yeah,

1057
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: and we're saying, hey, look, if I think I'm at risk,

1058
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: then I'm going to do something about it. Given delta,

1059
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: it seems that a lot of people have done something

1060
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. Really, the group that remains now it's

1061
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: largely white Americans, many of them older, a lot of

1062
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: the Republicans. But really, what we're trying to do here

1063
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: is just show the data, and we want to do

1064
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: what the media is refusing to do. I don't want

1065
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: to shame anybody here. It's not about shame. It's about

1066
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: pointing out the facts and then maybe talking about different

1067
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: strategies and more that might convince people to get vaccinated.

1068
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: My own particular case turned into some culture war thing.

1069
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: I saw some people arguing about online you have to see,

1070
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Speaker 1: I know, I really do. I had nothing else to do.

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Speaker 1: It was trapped in my house. So here's what people

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Speaker 1: were like, But Zager, you got COVID even though you

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Speaker 1: were vaccinated. Now, actually, there's a lot of new studies,

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Speaker 1: especially given out of the UK and more, where if

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Speaker 1: you have a breakthrough case of COVID and you're vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: you have something like super immunity. So that's great for me,

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Speaker 1: But really what it is is that my particular case,

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Speaker 1: people are saying, well, if you can still get COVID

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Speaker 1: after you're vaccinated, then what's the point. Well, the point

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Speaker 1: is is that if you look at the ICU and

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Speaker 1: death number, that the vast majority of the people in

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Speaker 1: the ICUs and who are dying are people who are unvaccinated,

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Speaker 1: especially those with co morbidities and those who are ill

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Speaker 1: in the elderly population. And here's the other thing. Just

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Speaker 1: because I got a breakthrough case of COVID, just because

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Speaker 1: I got COVID while I was unvaccinated, in the aggregate

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Speaker 1: population wide, you are still less likely to get COVID

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Speaker 1: whenever you're vaccinated. Then if you're not, now it may

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Speaker 1: not be you know, forty percent or whatever that they're saying.

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Speaker 1: But something I've tried to emphasize on the show so

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Speaker 1: many times is that in the aggregate, little bits of

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Speaker 1: percent matter. We are a country of three hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty million people. If it decreases the chance of overall

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Speaker 1: population wide spread by ten percent, guys, that's millions of

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Speaker 1: millions of people. Yeah, and then each individual person who's

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Speaker 1: who is infected then becomes a vector for infection for others.

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Speaker 1: So you have to think in a very very holistic way.

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Speaker 1: If you're young, I understand you know, Sargo, you're a

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Speaker 1: young guy, You're twenty nine, you're healthy, you got COVID. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it still didn't feel good. I'm not gonna lie to

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Speaker 1: you like I'm going to tell you exactly the truth,

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Speaker 1: which is, yeah, I still got it. I still didn't

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Speaker 1: feel good, and I was vaccinated. So what's the point.

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Speaker 1: The point is, as I just told you, overall population,

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Speaker 1: you're still less likely to get it. And in terms

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Speaker 1: of in terms of the actual effects for the elderly,

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Speaker 1: those are the ones that we should care the most about.

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Speaker 1: And so I choose to look with compassion to a

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Speaker 1: lot of these people who won't get it. I understand,

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Speaker 1: you know, exactly why and what they don't trust in

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Speaker 1: more and if you're young, and I've gotten many questions,

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Speaker 1: so I want to make sure I address this here.

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Speaker 1: That's why I personally think that you should get vaccinated

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Speaker 1: from a population wide level, so that you can look

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Speaker 1: to that it's not just about yourself. You know, I

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Speaker 1: was always probably going to be fine, but you know,

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Speaker 1: if there was a chance that you could make sure

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Speaker 1: that somebody elderly, someone be a amminial compromiser or more,

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Speaker 1: couldn't that's a different story. Well. And also when you

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Speaker 1: did get it, you knew because you were vaccinated, you

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Speaker 1: were very, very very unlikely to end up in a

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Speaker 1: hospital and god forbid dead. I mean, that's what it

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Speaker 1: really protects against. So, yeah, there are breakthrough cases your

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Speaker 1: case in point A lot right, there are a good

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Speaker 1: number of breakthrough cases. But as you said, if you

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated, you're less likely to get a case, but

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Speaker 1: you may still get a case. If you do, you're

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Speaker 1: not going to end up in a hospital and you're

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Speaker 1: not going to end up dead. That seems like a

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Speaker 1: pretty good outcome. And you're less likely also to spread

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Speaker 1: it to the community, and that's really important, you know,

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Speaker 1: this data on who is getting vaccinated. It's actually it's

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Speaker 1: actually quite interesting because if you look at they kind

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Speaker 1: of break things down into these two groups. This one

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Speaker 1: that's basically wait and see, and the wait and see group.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them have waited and seen and they're

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Speaker 1: starting to get vaccinated. And that's why you see this uptick,

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Speaker 1: especially in places that are really hard hit. Right now,

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Speaker 1: they're weighing the cost benefits. They're going, Okay, I was

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Speaker 1: a little nervous about the vaccination, but I know people

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Speaker 1: who are getting sick. I know people who are getting hospitalized.

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Speaker 1: I don't want that to be me or my kids,

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Speaker 1: or my parents or whoever it is. That wait and

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Speaker 1: see group disproportionately are black and brown. The definitely not

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Speaker 1: group disproportionately white, and by the numbers, very little that

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Speaker 1: looks likely to persuade them. The top things that people

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Speaker 1: said might lead them from the definitely not group to

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Speaker 1: ultimately get a shot. One was free transportation, which I

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Speaker 1: found kind of interesting. Another one was if the vaccination

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Speaker 1: was required for them to be able to fly, and

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Speaker 1: another one was if it was available from their personal physician.

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Speaker 1: But we're only talking about roughly ten percent of people

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Speaker 1: in those groups who said that any of those things

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Speaker 1: would be persuasive for them. So you have a group

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Speaker 1: that just is hardcore. They've bought into some of the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. Some of the people that they trust the

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Speaker 1: most in the news space, or in the pundit space space,

1158
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: or in the political space have been wildly irresponsible about

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Speaker 1: what the information and the lies that they're telling people.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, you know, they've they've bought into it. And

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Speaker 1: like you said, I have nothing but compassion for people

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Speaker 1: in the way that they've been lied to in gas

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Speaker 1: lit to the point that you know, there's a large

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Speaker 1: chunk of Americans who just aren't going to trust with

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Speaker 1: the media tells them, aren't going to trust what the

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Speaker 1: federal government tells them, and frankly, those institutions haven't really

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Speaker 1: earned anyone's trust. So that's a perspective from which I

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Speaker 1: understand it. You've had a couple of really sad, relatively

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Speaker 1: high profile deaths of conservatives who had been either you know,

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Speaker 1: anti mask or sort of dabbled in anti VACS rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: One was a Texas activist named Caleb Wallace who was

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Speaker 1: an anti mask protest leader and has now passed away

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Speaker 1: from coronavirus. Really sad situation here, and his wife told

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Speaker 1: the newspaper that he began experiencing symptoms on July twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: but refused to get tested or go to the hospital. Instead,

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Speaker 1: he took high doses of vitamincy zinc, aspirin, and ivermectin.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, don't do that without doctor side. Doctor,

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Speaker 1: go and get the horse shit from the veterinary. I mean,

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Speaker 1: really honestly, it's but what has really been disgusting though,

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Speaker 1: is a lot of the like triumphalis. Yeah, they're cheerleading

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Speaker 1: this about this guardians to show you the way that

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Speaker 1: they ride. It is terrible, it is. It really is

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Speaker 1: disgusting to cheer for someone's death. And there's another one

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Speaker 1: Tennessee radio host who'd criticized he sort of like mocked

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Speaker 1: vaccine efforts. Phil Valentine's sixty one years old, and he

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Speaker 1: now has also died of COVID nineteen. His family said

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Speaker 1: told listeners before he died that he wants his listeners

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Speaker 1: to know that while he's never been an anti vaxxer,

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Speaker 1: he regrets not being more vehemently pro vaccine. These are

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Speaker 1: you know, horrific, heartbreaking stories, leaving behind families, leaving behind children.

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Speaker 1: This is nothing to celebrate or cheerlead. And to see

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Speaker 1: the way that it has been celebrated in some corners,

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Speaker 1: including in official media outlets, is really disturbing and ultimately disgusting.

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Speaker 1: It also reminds me of that story that we covered

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Speaker 1: but the doctor went on MSNBC and was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that people who are unvaccinated should even get

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Speaker 1: medical care. Yeah, what, what's It's so crazy? And I

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Speaker 1: actually personally, Phil had me on his radio show when

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Speaker 1: I was like twenty two years old, like when I

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Speaker 1: just started out, and he was a really nice guy,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he had a misguided view in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you should cheerlead is death. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's really the gross part about this

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Speaker 1: and everything I see around all of this, is that

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Speaker 1: we would just be a little bit better off by

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Speaker 1: like giving some people not even the benefit of the

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Speaker 1: doubt necessarily, but just approaching it and being like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? Many people will tell you, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I was addressing the young I had so

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Speaker 1: many young people message me and like, see see why

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting VAXs. I'm like, yeah, I get it. Like, look,

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Speaker 1: we're probably going to be fine, but you've got to

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Speaker 1: think about from a broader societal perspective about the cost

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Speaker 1: to you, which is getting sick, you know, slightly whenever

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Speaker 1: you get it maybe and then if you do get

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Speaker 1: a breakthrough case, you're not going to feel great. Okay,

1217
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: like that is baked in. I feel will feel better

1218
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Speaker 1: knowing that I'm protecting somebody who is older, right, or

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Speaker 1: at least tried to do so. I think that that

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Speaker 1: is possibly probably worth it, especially when the entire thing

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Speaker 1: is free. We've now had a billion and a half

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Speaker 1: people or something you've been vaccinated across the globe. Probably

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Speaker 1: the greatest study that you could ever want, right, I

1224
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: think that that stuff is really important, and so really

1225
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Speaker 1: what it is is just talk to people and if

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get vaccinated, okay, you know, but

1227
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we're not going to deny you healthcare.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so insane. We tell people not to

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Speaker 1: be fat, and a lot of people, you know, what

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Speaker 1: is a seventy something percent of the fat or whatever

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Speaker 1: people in the country of fat or were going to

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Speaker 1: deny you know, diabetes care. No, it's completely insane, and

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Speaker 1: so lung cancer or lung cancer smoking. Yeah, you know

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: die like liver right issues because you drinks some alcoholism exactly. Yeah, yeah, please, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying the whole thing is just when you just

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Speaker 1: need a little bit more compassion, you know, for everybody else.

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Speaker 1: I think that is very well said. Wow, you guys

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Speaker 1: must really like listening to our voices. Well, I know

1239
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: this is annoying. Instead of making you listen to a

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Speaker 1: Viagra commercial. When you're done, check out the other podcast

1241
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Speaker 1: I do with Marshall Costsoff called The Realignment. We talk

1242
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Speaker 1: a lot about the deeper issues that are changing, realigning

1243
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: in American society. You always need more Crystal and Zagur

1244
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Speaker 1: in your daily lives. Take care, guys, All right, Sager,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well, you know, if there's

1246
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: a core theme to this show, it's probably this, don't

1247
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,479
Speaker 1: let the culture war rot your brain. Pause for a moment. Think.

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Speaker 1: Especially during the most emotionally charged times, and especially when

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Speaker 1: people who align with have a vested interest in pushing

1250
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: the limits of what type of political rhetoric that you

1251
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: are okay with, it is easy to be against something

1252
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: and see reason when it is not convenient for you.

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Speaker 1: It is a lot harder when it's inconvenient. So that's

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Speaker 1: where I find myself today. Do I like Joe Biden? No?

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Speaker 1: Do I vote for Joe Biden? No, Jeff Ruth Let's

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Speaker 1: hee criticize him throughout the Democratic primary and general election. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And yet do I want Joe Biden to resign over

1258
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Speaker 1: the horrific deaths of thirteen American service member in Afghanistan

1259
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Speaker 1: on Thursday? No? Because it's an incredibly stupid idea. And

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Speaker 1: yet I once again find myself in a massive political

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Speaker 1: minority on the right. And it only took hours after

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Speaker 1: the final death toll from the attack was revealed for

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Speaker 1: GOP legislators to come out of the woodwork Senators Holly,

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Speaker 1: Senators Blackburn, Congressman Madison Cawthorne, many others. I've seen the

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Speaker 1: idea take hold amongst the grassroots as it spreads, and

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Speaker 1: it is really worth pausing here to just say to

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Speaker 1: all of you, stop, for God's sake, please stop. I

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Speaker 1: don't like Joe Biden as much as the rest of you,

1269
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Speaker 1: but let's really think this through, and let's start with

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Speaker 1: the obvious. Whenever Democrats wanted to impeach Trump over a

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Speaker 1: questionable at best phone call with the Ukrainian president. I

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Speaker 1: seem to recall every single one of these people, decrying

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Speaker 1: it as a partisan which hunt all of the right,

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Speaker 1: it seems, started rereading federalist papers and spoke of impeachment

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Speaker 1: in lofty terms. How only in the most extraordinary circumstances

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Speaker 1: could Congress reach for that level. Lever I was among them,

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Speaker 1: So is Crystal. You can go back and you can

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Speaker 1: roll the tape if you're interested. Along every step of

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Speaker 1: the way, we decried that process as a pointless distraction

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Speaker 1: from the real problems of the country, how it cheapened

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Speaker 1: the process of impeachment itself, how ultimately it would politically backfire,

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Speaker 1: And every single one of those things turned out to

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Speaker 1: be true. Many of the people calling for Joe Biden's resignation,

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Speaker 1: they loved those takes at the time. Then came January sixth,

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Speaker 1: and emotions were hot, perhaps hotter than they are today,

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Speaker 1: amid the chaos in Afghanistan. And again I stood up

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Speaker 1: and I said the same thing on January eleventh, when

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Speaker 1: I came out against impeachment of Trump for the same reason.

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Speaker 1: Impeachment resignation, whatever you want to say is anti democratic

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Speaker 1: and so you better be damn sure whenever you're doing it,

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Speaker 1: they are acting not only in the best interests of

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Speaker 1: the people, but of the precedent that you set that

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Speaker 1: can stand the test of time. And that is just

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Speaker 1: to cover my bona fides on this matter. Now let's

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Speaker 1: turn to Joe Biden. Let's really consider what these Republicans

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Speaker 1: are saying that Joe Biden should resign or be impeached

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Speaker 1: because of the debts of thirteen American combat soldiers in

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan as a result of withdrawal. So are we saying

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Speaker 1: that every single military operation that's botched from here on

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Speaker 1: out rises to the level of impeachment or resignation. Need

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Speaker 1: I remind you Donald Trump greenlit a very sketchy terrorism

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Speaker 1: raid in his very first week of office that actually

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Speaker 1: resulted in the death of an American Navy seal. Or

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Speaker 1: need I remind you that four Green Berets were actually

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Speaker 1: killed in Niger for seemingly no reason except extreme incompetence

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Speaker 1: by their chain of command and because of a directive

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Speaker 1: from the then president to pursue ISIS wherever they are.

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Speaker 1: How about this before Trump's pursuit of a peace deal

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Speaker 1: with the Taliban. His failed Afghan strategy pushed American combat

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Speaker 1: debts in Afghanistan to a five year high, well over

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Speaker 1: forty American combat deaths. Should he have him been impeached

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Speaker 1: or should he have resigned over that? Take Trump out

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Speaker 1: of it. Should George W. Bush have resigned because of

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Speaker 1: the failure of nine to eleven? Should Obama have resigned

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Speaker 1: because of his failed Afghan strategy that cost us thousands

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Speaker 1: of American lives, untold number of Afghans and wasted a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars? Should JFK resigne because of the Bay of Pigs?

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Speaker 1: Should Truman have resigned because of the fall of China?

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Speaker 1: Should FDR have resigned because of Pearl Harbor. I can

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Speaker 1: go on endlessly, and I scaled up those examples of

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Speaker 1: the disasters to show just how absurd it is these

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Speaker 1: claims for resignation are, and to show you how it

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Speaker 1: would of course come back to bite the GOP next

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Speaker 1: time they hold power while the Democrats hold the House

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Speaker 1: and the Senate. And it just so happened to have

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Speaker 1: been the case. Oh, I don't know, like two years ago.

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Speaker 1: The culture war has rotted people's brains to only slowly

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Speaker 1: push our republic further towards decline, like some sort of

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Speaker 1: banded manner republic where people impeach and imprison each other

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: over petty offenses, to simply hold in the reins of

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Speaker 1: the oligarchy principles aside, this is also still one of

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: the dumbest ideas imaginable. So Joe Biden has three and

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Speaker 1: a half years left on his term. If he resigned,

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Speaker 1: it would be worse. You know why, because the Diversity

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Speaker 1: Dean herself, Kamala Harris would be president and look as

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Speaker 1: bad as Biden is. I could promise you, if you're

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Speaker 1: a conservative, that a Kamala Harris presidency would be the

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Speaker 1: literal stuff of nightmares. And if you impeach her too,

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Speaker 1: then who becomes president? Yeah, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say no to that one. If

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Speaker 1: you're angry about what's happening in kabble, I'm right there

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Speaker 1: with you. Whether you fulla fully blamed Biden or not,

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: we may disagree, but I urge you again think about

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Speaker 1: what you're really saying. You want to normalize resignation calls

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Speaker 1: and impeachment for foreign policy events like this, You are

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Speaker 1: putting us on the same road that the Democrats did

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Speaker 1: when they impeached to Trump over the Ukraine phone call.

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Speaker 1: Many Republicans spoke in lofty terms at the time and

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: seem to have forgotten that rhetoric today. And that's the

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01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: problem with this country. Almost every single person in public

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01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: life is completely full of it. That means most people

1352
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: are relegated to saying, well, he's full of it, but

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: at least he aligns more with me. That's the road

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Speaker 1: to hell, and I rejected fundamentally. I think the best

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Speaker 1: part about this country is we're allowed to think for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: And so no matter how you feel right now, consider

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: what I have said, and if you still come to

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01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: a different conclusion, that's fine. I just hope that you

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01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: thought about it a little bit. That's in one Crystal.

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Speaker 1: It just drives me crazy. One more thing, I promise.

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure you knew about my podcast

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Speaker 1: with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where

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Speaker 1: we do long form interviews with people like Nom Chomsky,

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Speaker 1: Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any

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Speaker 1: podcast platform, or you can subscribe over on substack to

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Speaker 1: get the video a day early. We're gonna stop bugging

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Speaker 1: you now, enjoy Crystal. What are you taking a look at? Well?

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Speaker 1: Marine Lieutenant Colonel Stuart Sheller had seen enough. Hours after

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Speaker 1: watching our servicemen and women come under attack with thirteen

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Speaker 1: more lives lost, he wanted one very simple thing, accountability,

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Speaker 1: not just for these attacks, but for the years of

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Speaker 1: failures and lies that ultimately led us to this war.

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Speaker 1: I want to say this very strongly. I have been

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Speaker 1: fighting for seventeen years. I am willing to throw it

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Speaker 1: all away to say to my senior leaders, I demand accountability.

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Speaker 1: But the reason people are so upset on social media

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Speaker 1: right now is not because the marine on the battlefield

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Speaker 1: lets someone down. That service member has always rose to

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Speaker 1: the occasion done extraordinary things. People are upset because their

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Speaker 1: senior leaders let them down, and none of them are

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Speaker 1: raising their hands and accepting accountability or saying we messed

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Speaker 1: this up. What I'll say is, and from my position,

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Speaker 1: potentially all those people did die in vain if we

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Speaker 1: don't have senior leaders that own up and raise their

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Speaker 1: hand and say we did not do this well. In

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Speaker 1: the end. Without that, we just keep repeating the same mistakes,

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Speaker 1: and for his honesty and demand for accountability, he was

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Speaker 1: relieved of duty. Rules are rules, after all, they'll say,

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Speaker 1: But are they really who do these rules actually applied to?

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Speaker 1: After all, because for twenty years in Afghanistan, an elite

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Speaker 1: band of criminals lied to US sanctioned atrocities cost hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of lives trillions of dollars because they were

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01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: either cowards or they were directly on the take. Not

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Speaker 1: a single person who lied or justified war crimes or

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Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea to enable allies who

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Speaker 1: were corrupt, drug dealing warlords with child sex slaves. Not

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Speaker 1: one of them has faced a moment of accountability. But

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Speaker 1: for this marine, suddenly the rules are the rules. The

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Speaker 1: only one hell accountable is the one who dares to

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Speaker 1: be honest about the compounding failures of those who have

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Speaker 1: real power. And worse than escaping with no accountability, those

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01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 1: who committed the gravest crimes and told the biggest lies

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01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: can instead be found sitting in their mansions, penning op

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Speaker 1: eds to appear in the nation's newspapers. Condoaliza Rice, Paul Wolfowitz,

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush even had the gall to release his statement,

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01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 1: the Econmomss dragged down Henry Kissinger, the Cold War architect

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Speaker 1: of countless Latin American atrocities, to offer his thoughts on Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: If you are a beltweight elite, there is literally no

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Speaker 1: crime so great it can't be forgiven, normalized, or whitewashed completely.

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01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: Or you might find those culpable for the misery and

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: lives and destabilization and death offering their stage advice on

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Speaker 1: CNN or Fox News or MSNBC while they collect fat

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Speaker 1: chape faychecks from the defense contractors who are the only

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Speaker 1: true winners of the war in Afghanistan. The intercept dug

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Speaker 1: into some of the details. Here you got people like

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Speaker 1: General Portreeus, who helped author the Afghan disaster now called

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Speaker 1: on unironically to offer their thoughts while also cashing in

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Speaker 1: on the failure. Betreyas serves on a big cybersecurity company

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Speaker 1: board and as a partner at a private equity company

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Speaker 1: with major investments in the defense industry, and for some

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01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 1: GUSD forsaken reason that I will literally never understand, cable

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: newsbookers keep asking John Bolton for his thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: whole matter. So this marine lost his job for blowing

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Speaker 1: the whistle on these many years of failure. But those

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Speaker 1: who authored the criminal failure, they are richer and more

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01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: successful and more esteemed than ever. I wish I could

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Speaker 1: say that this was just about Afghanistan, though in fact,

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Speaker 1: of the many crises that are facing America today, an

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Speaker 1: utter lack of accountability is one of the most dire

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01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: for undermining the whole project that we call America. Wealthy

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01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: tax cheats they get away with skipping out on their obligations,

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01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: while the irs goes after poor single moms in Mississippi.

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01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: The sociopaths who crashed the entire global economy, they got

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01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 1: a bailout, and struggling homeowners had their lives destroyed. Low

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01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: level drug dealers and users get thrown in prison for life,

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01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: but the sacklers who addicted millions get off with their

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01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: fortune intact and zero jail time. Julian Asannge is in

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01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: but the men who committed the war crimes he exposed,

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01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: they walk free. Edward Snowden can't ever return home for

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01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: fear of being locked in prison for the rest of

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,520
Speaker 1: his life, but the men who systematically illegally spied on Americans,

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: they also walk free. And a part of the same

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Speaker 1: circuit of cable news bloviators and war profiteers as the

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Speaker 1: ones who lied about Iraq in Afghanistan. Stephen Donziger, he

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01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: sits in prisoned in his home while Chevron execs who

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01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: persecuted him and destroyed the lives of countless indigenous people,

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01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: they continue to get rich. The company has yet to

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01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: pay a single dollar in restitution, even as they have

1449
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: spent millions to destroy Donziger's life. Literally everywhere you turn

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01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: in American society you see the same story play out

1451
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: time and time again. Elites act with criminal impunity, and

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01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: average Americans are casually fired, criminalized, lives destroyed for even

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: the smallest infraction. And if you blow the whistle on

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01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: the crimes of American imperialists or their corporate allies, forget

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01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: about it. They will do whatever it takes to destroy you.

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01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: Is it any wonder that the q andon nuts fantasized

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: about rounding up elite criminals for mass prosecutions. Who wouldn't

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: want to imagine that a mass accountability could be just

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01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: around the corner, Because of course, in reality, no such

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01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: reconciliation is anywhere on the horizon. The crisis of elite

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01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: accountability continues indefinitely and with dire consequences. Societies simply cannot

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Speaker 1: function without some baseline of legitimacy, and legitimacy cannot exist

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: without some baseline of elite accountability. It's not a lot

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01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,480
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. And in the meantime, cynical politicians

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01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: exploit the discontent for their own terrible purposes. Obama's hope

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01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: and change curdles into Trump's overt cruelty, which morphs into

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01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: the fatalism and profoundly low expectations of the Biden era.

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Speaker 1: We have stopped imagining we can do anything other than

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Speaker 1: basically muddle forward. So that's one more lesson from Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: that those most culpable face zero accountability so long as

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Speaker 1: they have the right connections, right pedigree, right class status,

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Speaker 1: and those who suffer the consequences of elite failure had

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01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: better keep their mouth shut or else. As if a

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01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: single person needed another opportunity to learn this truth about

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01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: justice and accountability in America, And Sager obviously ties directly

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Speaker 1: into your monologue about how all these calls were Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden to me impeached? Where are the calls for all

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Speaker 1: these other people. We have a great guest standing by

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Speaker 1: Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute, doctor Treet de Parsi,

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Speaker 1: longtime friend of the show. Sir, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me absolutely. You know, I saw a tweet that

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Speaker 1: you elevated. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: I thought some things up really well and I'd love

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Speaker 1: your reaction, so let's go ahead and put it up there.

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Speaker 1: And what it is is around elite failure here in

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Speaker 1: the United States, about how I'm in America. The US

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Speaker 1: foreign policy establishment had a real opportunity this week to

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Speaker 1: confront and learn from its twenty year failure in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: and instead, like in Iraq, it refused. They need it

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Speaker 1: all on poor execution, and America can never fail, It

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Speaker 1: can only be failed. What exactly do you make of

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Speaker 1: the hysteria of the coverage and of the establishment's reaction

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Speaker 1: to withdrawal of Afghanistan in these times right now? Well, Cigah,

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01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,799
Speaker 1: put yourself in their shoes for a moment. Their crimes,

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01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 1: their lies, their mistakes are so unforgivable, so their only

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01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: way of escaping justice is to double down. And triple

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Speaker 1: down on those very same lives and hoping that they

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Speaker 1: can just continue doing it as long as possible, because

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Speaker 1: if they were to admit the mistakes, they would not

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01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 1: be forgiven because these mistakes and these crimes are unforgivable,

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01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: and that's part of the problem here. So you're absolutely right,

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01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: there is a failure upwards because they're all protecting each

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: other right now. Same thing happened with Iraq. The reason

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01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: why there was no accountability for it was because almost

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01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: everyone in DC were part of it or supporting of it.

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01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: So we need the really complete overhaul in order to

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: be able to break free from this pattern. And just

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: looking at what happened with the latest drone strike that

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 1: turns out killed several civilians, including a two year old child,

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01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: to me, it just captures exactly what was wrong with

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01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: our presence there, because the main recruiting tool of the

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01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: terrorists were people whose family members were killed civilians and

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: as a result, they joined Taliban or Isis because they

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01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: were seeking revenge against Americans, and then they target those

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01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: Americans and other civilians, and this vicious cycle just continued,

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01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: and it's been going on for twenty years, and everyone

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01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: else who's been supporting it, as you've noted, have only

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01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: been failing awkwards. What do you think that the lessons,

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Speaker 1: the real lessons from twenty years in Afghanistan should be. Well,

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01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: first of all, we have absolutely no business doing nation

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01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: building in countries that we have no knowledge of, do

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: not understand, are not even intellectually curious enough to understand

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01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: and find out about their cultural circumstances, etc. Let me

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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: give you an example, when the Soviets sought to occupy

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01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: northern Iran right after World War two, or actually towards

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01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: the end of World War two. You know, they sent

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01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: in the vanguard, but it wasn't spies or counterintelligence people.

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01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: They sent in cultural anthropologists to map out how Ranian

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01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: society worked, where the power centers were, how just the

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01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: cultural and the political culture of the place, in order

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01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: to minimize the inevitable challenges that comes with an occupation.

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01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: Compare that to the number of Arabic speaking Americans that

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01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: were sent into Iraq. Three percent of those who were

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01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: sent into Iraq spoke Arabic. So we don't even have

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01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: the curiosity of trying to find out what place it

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 1: is that we're trying to turn into ourselves. We have

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01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: to come to terms with the reality that America is

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: not the answer to every problem in the world, and

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01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: it certainly is not the answer to the problems of Afghanistan.

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01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: The problems of Afghanistan has an so not an American solution.

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01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Professor, we see a lot of

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01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: talk here about this is a diminish to American power.

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01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, this is we're letting China run the region.

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01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems in my view that the Chinese

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01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: love nothing more than to have us bogged down in Afghanistan,

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01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: endlessly wasting trillions of dollars, military presence and more. You know,

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01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: if they want to go ahead and try with this mess,

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01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: something tells me that they're probably too smart to actually

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01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: do something about it. What do you make of so

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01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: many of those in DC talking about how this is

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01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 1: a diminish to American power. You know, now we'll have

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01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: less say in the ability to you know, have you

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01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: know the affairs of the world and more. What is

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01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: your response to that if you are interested in projecting

1556
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: American interests, you know, when you have no argument that

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01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: shows why it actually lies in the strategic interests of

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01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: the United States to do something. That's when you rely

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01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: on these fake arguments about credibility or that the Chinese

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01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: are going to take over. I mean, during the Core War,

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01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,440
Speaker 1: whenever you need to get something done in the United States,

1562
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: something that actually wasn't really helpful, you would invoke the

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01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: Soviet card. You have to do it, because if you don't,

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01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: the Soviets will get there, or the Soviets will do

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01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: X y and Z. China is now starting to become

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01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: the new Soviet Union. Yvon was the Soviet Union of

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01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: the Middle East for a very long time. It's what

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01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: you do and what you say when you don't have

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01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: an argument, when you cannot defend your suggestions on the

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01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: basis of American interest. You know, the media oftentimes they

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01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: can play parts and cheerleaders, but on the issue of militarism,

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01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: they're absolutely consistent. They praised Trump for his most militaristic actions.

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01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: The more liberal inclined outlets turned on Biden when it

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01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: came to him ending the conflict in Afghanistan, and they

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01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: did that immediately. What are the costs of the consistent

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01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: militarism of the US media, Well, we see that cost

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01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: every day. You have such a divided country, right now

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01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: in the United States because of the manner in which

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01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: all the resources that are being spent here are going

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01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 1: to a very limited few. I mean, as you mentioned

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01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: in your earlier segment, this was not a development program

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01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 1: of Afganistan. This was a development program of northern Virginia

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 1: where all of these different defense contractors and all of

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01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: these retired generals are currently living. So we see how

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01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 1: the country is being further and further divided because this

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01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:33,440
Speaker 1: inequality that comes with this militarism. This empire is inescapable.

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01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: So this is part of the reason why John Quincy

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01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 1: Adams two hundred years ago to the day said America

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01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy, because

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01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: if it does, it may become the dictrices of the world.

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01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: But it will come at it at the cost of

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01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: its own spirit and its own liberty. And that is

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01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: exactly what we'll be seeing here in the United States. Yeah.

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01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: And you know the final thing here, sir, which is

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01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of talk about you know, the

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01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: American as you said, not only credit, but that this

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01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,839
Speaker 1: will show our allies and the rest of the world

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01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: that we are weak. You know, China is going to

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01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 1: move on Taiwan or or you know, any such action

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01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: like that. What do you think of that argument. I

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01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: don't think much of that argument at all, because I think, again,

1602
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: it's what you say when you don't have any arguments.

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01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: And let me shift the conversation slightly to another point,

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01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: which is that, obviously, the images of Afghanistan have become very,

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01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: very grasping, and this is what the media has been

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01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: showing because of the deaths, and is understandable. But there's

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01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: some other images that just took place in the Middle

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01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: East that are a direct consequence of the United States

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01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: leaving the region that are far more consequential, going not

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01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: as grasping, And that's the images of the Iranian, the

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01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: Saudi and the UAE foreign ministers meeting together at the

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01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: summit that was put together by the Iraqi government, a

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01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: summit that was put together a diplomatic initiative by regional

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01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: powers themselves to figure out how they can resolve the

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01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: problems of the region diplomatically by talking, which would not

1616
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,440
Speaker 1: have taken place if many of these countries could continue

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01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,600
Speaker 1: to hide behind American military power. It's not going to

1618
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 1: grasp the headlines in the same way. But it's actually

1619
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: far more consequential and a direct consequence of the US

1620
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: starting to withdraw from the Middle East. That is a

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01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: great and excellent point, very good point, Doctor Parcy. Is

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01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: always great to have you and have your expertise. Thank you, sir,

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01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Give the dog that for us. All right,

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01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for watching. It's so amazing to be back

1625
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: here in the studio. Take note of those programming notes

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01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: I made at the top of the show, and if

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01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: you can support us, we are eternally grateful here. It's

1628
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: been just one of those weeks or two weeks now

1629
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 1: with Afghanistan where I'm just so grateful to be able

1630
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: to inject this sort of conversation into not necessarily the mainstream,

1631
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: but at least know that there are millions of people

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01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 1: who care somewhat and are going to say to the

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01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: mainstream media, no, we want an alternative perspective because that

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01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: was what was missing out during the Iraq War. And

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Speaker 1: I can tell you all the same conditions are still

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Speaker 1: right here and washing I got first random people in

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Speaker 1: the institution, right Dar, I'll say that that that that

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Speaker 1: three over and but lovely hate you and so that

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Speaker 1: you know we are just so great let me one

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Speaker 1: of the most products during these weeks of and is

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Speaker 1: had a antays on and Luca Coons, Yeah, served and

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Speaker 1: served as of people not in the city but in

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Speaker 1: the country. How he underderstood three was always long time

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Speaker 1: back attening the ball of fifteen minutes for the regular came.

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Speaker 1: He was good took even though his what they were

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Speaker 1: trying to help looked on some hours. So at least

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01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: there was one lone voice out there on cable news,

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01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: and we were the first to have him on and

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Speaker 1: and you know, draw attention to him so that he

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01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: could ultimately have some some bit of an impact on

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01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: cable news and bring at least somewhat of a different

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01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: narrative into the mainstream. So I actually felt really great

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01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: about that because it also showed, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that we've tried to do in part of

1655
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: why we try to have higher production values and the

1656
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: set design and like the whole approach that we have

1657
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: is that hopefully there is some bit of mainstream crossover

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01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 1: so that we're not just talking to people who were

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01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: kind of outside of that mainstream system. And in this instance,

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01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: there was that sort of Kunn act that makes a

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01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 1: big difference such a good point. The Afghanistan paper segment

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Speaker 1: we did that got over one hundred thousand views, and

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01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: almost immediately afterwards, I believe he was booked on MS

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Speaker 1: same thing. So that's Look, it's not us, it's you.

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Speaker 1: It's to your voice. People see us at the top

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Speaker 1: of the podcast charts, or they see our views and more,

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Speaker 1: and they know that there are at least people out

1668
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Speaker 1: there who care about what we're talking about, and so

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Speaker 1: it gives me life in order to try and do this.

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Speaker 1: And thank you all so much for your support. We

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