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Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show. In this episode, we have Douglas
Speaker 1: Murray with us. He is an author, a columnist. You
Speaker 1: see him popping up on Fox News on the regular.
Speaker 1: His latest book was The War on the West, which
Speaker 1: is excellent to actually have it here on my bookshelf,
Speaker 1: and he's writing from New York Post and other places. Douglas,
Speaker 1: great to have you on, sir, Hey, great to be on.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure now people ask you this occasionally, or
Speaker 1: maybe I'm I'm making an assumption I shouldn't. But how's
Speaker 1: this whole counter movement against the War on the West going?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? How is our counter strike
Speaker 1: against the War on the West at this stage? Well,
Speaker 1: it's much more developed. One of my one of my
Speaker 1: self appointed tasks, I always say, is to head into
Speaker 1: mine fields and gleefully run across them in the hope
Speaker 1: that other people can traverse them more safely themselves afterwards.
Speaker 1: But I wrote about this a couple of books back,
Speaker 1: and my book The Madness of crowds that talked about
Speaker 1: all the social justice nonsense. I said that my self
Speaker 1: pointed task was to do this thing that a landmine
Speaker 1: clearer does. I go into the areas of subjects that
Speaker 1: are really and everyone's saying, you can't talk about that,
Speaker 1: and I talk about it. I write about it, and
Speaker 1: I investigate it. And my hope always is that it
Speaker 1: means that other people are going to do it after
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I'm by any means the only person
Speaker 1: doing it. But for instance, all the stuff I wrote
Speaker 1: about in the Madness of Crowds, I'm delighted to see
Speaker 1: not least some for instance, the trans issue, it has
Speaker 1: just become really picked up by so many more people.
Speaker 1: When I wrote about this some years ago, people are like,
Speaker 1: why are you bothering about this like fringe thing, And
Speaker 1: it's very good to see that there's lots of energized people,
Speaker 1: including a lot of energized parents who are who are
Speaker 1: understanding the significance of what's happening. The latest book, The
Speaker 1: War on the West, Yeah, is about this anti Western movement,
Speaker 1: specifically the sort of antihistory movement in the West. Again,
Speaker 1: I think that it took some people time to realize.
Speaker 1: It took me time to realize what was going on,
Speaker 1: that what we were seeing was a fundamental assault on
Speaker 1: everything in our past, you know, the good as well
Speaker 1: as the bad. It's like nobody nobody contra you know,
Speaker 1: the abrahm x kendis and thing nobody actually wants to
Speaker 1: like not teach slavery or like not teach any child
Speaker 1: anything bad about the American past. The thing is that
Speaker 1: some of us were just like some of the good
Speaker 1: stuff to be taught as well. And and again, I
Speaker 1: mean I see, I see, particularly the last year, a
Speaker 1: growing momentum of people realizing this. Everywhere I go across
Speaker 1: the United States, I find beliegued but but nevertheless correct
Speaker 1: Americans who desperately are looking for a way to defend
Speaker 1: the things we all knew until yesterday, and not to
Speaker 1: have to go along with the lies that are being
Speaker 1: told about our past, not going along with the indoctrination
Speaker 1: of the children. And I think that to that extent,
Speaker 1: the counter push, as you say, it's definitely underway. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's no longer lonely in the minefield.
Speaker 1: I can put it like that. Do you think you
Speaker 1: know you brought up the transisue and and it was
Speaker 1: just recently someone showed me that there was a planned
Speaker 1: drag Queen Story hour for you know, the argument. And
Speaker 1: I've seen this with other things too. You've seen this
Speaker 1: with CRT, critical race theory, diversity, equity inclusion, in different
Speaker 1: manifestations where the initial the initial talking points you get
Speaker 1: from either side or along the lines of this isn't
Speaker 1: even happening. Why are you focused on this? Like? Why
Speaker 1: why are you so obsessed with this? Right? That's a
Speaker 1: constant refrain, and because I think for a lot of
Speaker 1: people they think, well, okay, maybe I am too focused,
Speaker 1: And that of course serves a left's purpose because well,
Speaker 1: if just fewer if fifty percent of the people who
Speaker 1: were wondering about this story, all of a sudden thing,
Speaker 1: well I shouldn't care about this does not happened, that's
Speaker 1: a huge victory. Right, So they don't even have to
Speaker 1: defend it if they convince everybody that it's not really
Speaker 1: happening or it's being exaggerated. But with the Drag Story
Speaker 1: Hour thing specifically, it has become clear to me that
Speaker 1: the same way that you said, you're a mind clearer
Speaker 1: now for conservatism or traditionalism, or however you know you
Speaker 1: would like to describe it. On the left, it feels
Speaker 1: like the drag queen story hour thing is supposed to
Speaker 1: be similar in my mind, similar but different, similar in
Speaker 1: so far as they're just try trying to see my
Speaker 1: idea here, Douglas. If they can get more and more
Speaker 1: parents to think this is normal, they can get them
Speaker 1: to think anything as normal. Like if they can break
Speaker 1: you down so that you are bringing your four year
Speaker 1: old to clap in cheer for a thirty five year
Speaker 1: old or forty five year old man dressed as a
Speaker 1: woman shaking his butt in front of your child, they
Speaker 1: can get you to believe anything. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as well as it were quite well
Speaker 1: prepped for this because years ago I wrote a book
Speaker 1: on immigration and mass immigration, the illegal mass immigration movement
Speaker 1: into Europe, and it obviously resonated with American readers among others.
Speaker 1: But I was used to this rhetorical trick of the
Speaker 1: lefts from that book and from the years I wrote
Speaker 1: about and studied and traveled and followed the story of migration,
Speaker 1: because the left always said the following things. They said,
Speaker 1: it's not happening. Then it is happening. You should like it.
Speaker 1: It is happening, and you should put up with it.
Speaker 1: And then finally it's revenge. So they would start out
Speaker 1: by just pretending that what I saw with my eyes
Speaker 1: across Europe was just not happening, and they would eventually
Speaker 1: end by saying, it is happening, and you deserve it.
Speaker 1: It's like a punishment for your past, a punishment of colonialism.
Speaker 1: The Empire strikes back, they used to say, jokingly. So
Speaker 1: I've seen exactly the same things happen in every other issue,
Speaker 1: from the trans issue to the rewriting of America's past.
Speaker 1: On the trans issue, they say, it isn't happening. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see rt thing, same thing. It isn't happening,
Speaker 1: and it should be happening, and it should be happening everywhere.
Speaker 1: But it isn't happening anywhere, but it ought to be, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is the definition of
Speaker 1: arguing and bad faith. Right, you're making the arguments defense
Speaker 1: of your position premised around there is no position to
Speaker 1: defend because it's not happening. But also if it were happening,
Speaker 1: it would be a good thing. It is the ultimate
Speaker 1: merry go round, completely circular logic. It's not really logic,
Speaker 1: it's just circular um. But on the on the drag
Speaker 1: Queen storry, how you see it goes if by the
Speaker 1: way the drag Queen's story out was actually as sort
Speaker 1: of as it were, actually innocent thing, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: sometimes it has been akin to British panto, where there's
Speaker 1: a sort of absurd man dressed up in an absurd
Speaker 1: way reading a story. I don't have much problem with that.
Speaker 1: And the thing that everyone is recognized as a problem
Speaker 1: is the stripper shaking the bat in front of the
Speaker 1: kids and being encouraged to put money into the throng.
Speaker 1: I was like, and again that comes up and the
Speaker 1: left says, that's not happening. And then you go, but
Speaker 1: I've just seen it on a video, and they go, well,
Speaker 1: the videos from a right wing source, um. And then
Speaker 1: they say, and it should be happening because it's an
Speaker 1: ancient part of lgbtquia plus culture, which as we know,
Speaker 1: has been going on for millennia in exactly this format.
Speaker 1: And then row it onto the Americans story and you
Speaker 1: get the same dishonesty. Look at what Nicole Hannah Jones,
Speaker 1: who I had a spat with recently, the originator of
Speaker 1: the sixteen nineteen project of The New York Times. Look
Speaker 1: at what people like her did. She and her editor
Speaker 1: at The New York Times said, we want to reframe
Speaker 1: the date of America's founding. Then when some of us
Speaker 1: said we don't like the sound of that, they said,
Speaker 1: we never said that. What they did was they took
Speaker 1: the words reframing of the American founding out of the
Speaker 1: original website and silently, in a stalinistic way, changed it
Speaker 1: so then they could go, ha, we never said that,
Speaker 1: you did say it. It's just that after the fact
Speaker 1: he then edited it. And then they say, we don't
Speaker 1: actually want all children in America to be told that
Speaker 1: America's original sin is slavery, and at the same time
Speaker 1: have a project which says, that's precisely what we want
Speaker 1: to do. We want to totally rewrite the American story,
Speaker 1: to turn it from a story of heroism and success
Speaker 1: and courage into a story of iniquity and vice and evil.
Speaker 1: But then they pretend it's not happening, and also that
Speaker 1: it should happen everywhere. You know. It's another thing that
Speaker 1: I think this is a little it's a little controversial.
Speaker 1: I love history. You love history, right. I'd read history
Speaker 1: books and have my entire life since I was a
Speaker 1: little kid for fun. I just think history books are
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Most of the ones next to
Speaker 1: my War on the West, which everybody should get, by
Speaker 1: the way, I've got I'm just looking across. We've got Coolidge,
Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson, Ethan Allen, Washington Grant, a big book on strategy,
Speaker 1: A History of m I Six Spies and Commissars by Roberts.
Speaker 1: I mean, anyway, point being, like, I go through those
Speaker 1: are mostly that was my biography shelf. But point being,
Speaker 1: I love all that stuff. Right. One of the things
Speaker 1: you hear from the left, I think is always around
Speaker 1: the issue of focus, and they'll say, well, there's there's
Speaker 1: far too much focus on on sort of Eurocentric history
Speaker 1: or or you know, this the the Western it's really
Speaker 1: more even the Western civilization path. You know, you start
Speaker 1: in you know, ancient Egypt, and then you get some
Speaker 1: stuff going on and what is Israel today, and then
Speaker 1: you move over, you know, you go to ancient Greece
Speaker 1: and ancient Rome, and then you find yourself in Europe.
Speaker 1: And oh, look at this we discover America that they
Speaker 1: object to this, But I always ask him and I say,
Speaker 1: look what what what what would an ap history course?
Speaker 1: And I say this, and honestly, what would an ap
Speaker 1: history course in the literature of pre Colombian America? Particularly,
Speaker 1: Let's say, I don't know, you pick uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you pick a tribe in the American Southwest? What would
Speaker 1: that even look like? Like? How would you do this
Speaker 1: when you actually have a lot of societies And I
Speaker 1: know this somehow is a controversial thing to say that
Speaker 1: didn't have written language. So so how are you going
Speaker 1: to do an in depth history, you know, pre the
Speaker 1: years obviously of exploration everything else, How are you going
Speaker 1: to do anything? Yes, you can do archaeological history, and
Speaker 1: they're certainly, And people say, but the Aztecs were such.
Speaker 1: By the way, the more people find out about Aztecs,
Speaker 1: the more they're like, oh, I don't know if this,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this whole harmony with other tribes
Speaker 1: in the environment is really the vibe we want to
Speaker 1: go for with the mass enslavement, human sacrifice, child sacrifice anyway,
Speaker 1: child sacrifice something going on with Democrats these days too,
Speaker 1: in America. But uh yeah, do you see what I'm saying? Though,
Speaker 1: like like we never get to talk about this. I mean, Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't want to do ancient Greece. What do you
Speaker 1: want if you're studying something an eight hundred BC? Okay,
Speaker 1: there are some options to Maria and at least whatever,
Speaker 1: But what are you gonna what are you gonna study?
Speaker 1: M This was a point by that Alan Bloom made
Speaker 1: forty years ago now and the closing of the American mind,
Speaker 1: when he said, if you're not going to have the
Speaker 1: Bible as the basis for your civilization and historical sort
Speaker 1: of religious social perspective, you ought to have a book
Speaker 1: of called seriousness and depth. And I liked this point because,
Speaker 1: of course it summons up the question, well, what would
Speaker 1: that be? And the answer is hard to think of
Speaker 1: another such book, to which you said precisely right now.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with Western history and Western philosophy
Speaker 1: and all the things that the Western culture, all the
Speaker 1: things that the Left is trying to destroy at the moment.
Speaker 1: You better, you better, if you want to do away
Speaker 1: with all that, you better have greater figures than the
Speaker 1: Founding Fathers for us to revere you better have smarter
Speaker 1: men than Thomas Jefferson in your back pocket. You better
Speaker 1: have greater music than Bachs, You better have greater architecture
Speaker 1: than the cathedrals of Europe. And you ought to have
Speaker 1: better literature than Shakespeare, Dostoyevskia, much more. Now, if you've
Speaker 1: got such a thing, fine, very interested to hear it,
Speaker 1: have you? No? Oh? I see? Let me take the
Speaker 1: example of the one that's most terrifying, which I write
Speaker 1: around the war in the west of the way in
Speaker 1: which all this nonsense has gone into stem subjects. Ask
Speaker 1: anyone what the other ways of knowing have produced? This
Speaker 1: is the idea that there is a western centric form
Speaker 1: of mathematics and others other science and hard sciences, and
Speaker 1: that they are so western Centric that they must be
Speaker 1: disrupted by quote other ways of knowing. Here is you
Speaker 1: just said you said a controversial thing. Let me throw
Speaker 1: out a more controversial thing. When you need a vaccine
Speaker 1: for a global pandemic, do you go to a Native
Speaker 1: American tribe and say, we would like you to use
Speaker 1: your other ways of knowing to come up with a vaccine.
Speaker 1: Does anyone go to the Aboriginal tribes of Australia and
Speaker 1: say we need your mathematical formulae to get this plane
Speaker 1: off the ground. No, I'm afraid not. Now, this isn't
Speaker 1: This isn't a white supremacist talking point. It's not a
Speaker 1: Western supremacist talking point. It's the observation that what we
Speaker 1: have is good, not because it's Western in itself, but
Speaker 1: because it works. Because the math works. Yeah, because being
Speaker 1: right siety works, and and and yeah, because being right
Speaker 1: is good and the truth is good. And these things
Speaker 1: are I believe central to what the left is trying
Speaker 1: to tear down. I want to I have to give
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Speaker 1: want to put something out there. You can think about it,
Speaker 1: come back to. I do think that on the right
Speaker 1: we have woken up quite a bit. There's that word woke.
Speaker 1: We have. We have come to the realization of how
Speaker 1: much the left is seeking to destroy. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen project and all this stuff, and I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about your tour of southern campuses in
Speaker 1: a moment. But I also think that there is an
Speaker 1: underestimation of how rapidly the left wants to old up
Speaker 1: or take over institutions and use them to rule effectively,
Speaker 1: to be in charge to call the shots irrespective. You know,
Speaker 1: we could sit here and talk about history. I also
Speaker 1: think that there's a lack of understanding of So let
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Speaker 1: they're trying to tear down Are we not on the
Speaker 1: right aware enough of what they're trying to build and
Speaker 1: the platforms and the heights of our society that they
Speaker 1: have already seized. Yes, I think that's true. I think
Speaker 1: that it's come as an enormous shock to a lot
Speaker 1: of people in America as across the rest of the
Speaker 1: Western world. America is particularly in trouble. It seems to
Speaker 1: me in terms of institutional capture. I think that if
Speaker 1: we had been talking Buck maybe ten years ago even,
Speaker 1: we would have thought and other people on the American
Speaker 1: right would have thought, that we had institutions still on
Speaker 1: our side, you know. I think we would have thought
Speaker 1: that the military, for instance, was obviously on our side.
Speaker 1: And that's not to deny that the common soldier, as
Speaker 1: it were, is, but the top ranks of the military
Speaker 1: or on our side. I'm not sure if people feel
Speaker 1: that so much anymore. The intelligence agencies. Ten years ago,
Speaker 1: I think we would have been talking about the CIA, FBI, NSA,
Speaker 1: and I think the most conservatives would have said, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: either our guy. Of course, they want to keep America safe.
Speaker 1: You know, guy, I just want to jump in. I
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to interpret train of thought.
Speaker 1: Just to tell you though, that I was just talking
Speaker 1: to some CIA friends who are who have gotten out
Speaker 1: recently or are about to get out, and we all
Speaker 1: bemoaned how in the early days of the GAT I mean,
Speaker 1: Global War on Terror, it was how do we how
Speaker 1: do we help find and then you know, sending the
Speaker 1: seals it, how do we help find the bad guys?
Speaker 1: Find bin Laden. You know, how do we do this?
Speaker 1: And that was the mission. We showed up every day.
Speaker 1: There was a mission, right I was in the counter
Speaker 1: terrorism center of the Central Intelligence Agency, and it really wasn't.
Speaker 1: And now they say, oh my gosh, you have no idea.
Speaker 1: It's politics all the time. It's diversity and inclusion training,
Speaker 1: it's why don't we have more transgender analysts, etc. But anyway,
Speaker 1: keeping absolutely no. I mean, it's um and it seeps
Speaker 1: through everywhere. I mean I wrote a bit of my
Speaker 1: New York Post column about this last week. But look
Speaker 1: at this, this encounter between the two Russian fighter jets
Speaker 1: and an American drone over the Black Sea and what
Speaker 1: was international airspace, so they have no right to knock
Speaker 1: down the American drone. But um. The Biden administration and
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, in its response, criticize the Russians for downing
Speaker 1: the drone in a quote environmentally unsafe manner. I mean,
Speaker 1: m yeah, that's one of the problems of war. Again,
Speaker 1: there may have been a sea or down below that
Speaker 1: got sprayed with some oil from the Yeah, it's very sad,
Speaker 1: very sad story. But not maybe the business of the world.
Speaker 1: Wildlife fun not the business of the Pentagon not at all.
Speaker 1: And the fact that the fact that we just time
Speaker 1: and again seem you know, formally very serious institutions that
Speaker 1: we needed, and I would argue we need coming out
Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff on a routine basis is
Speaker 1: I think one of the most distressing things in our time.
Speaker 1: It happened obviously in the universities a long time ago.
Speaker 1: I cited Alan Bloom earlier. We've known this problem for
Speaker 1: forty years and more, and it's only got worse. You know,
Speaker 1: Conservatives have got better and better at diagnosing the problem,
Speaker 1: and all the time the problem has got worse. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you something I like to admit
Speaker 1: when I think it's important for self reflection, and you know,
Speaker 1: it sort of sharpens your ability to see things coming
Speaker 1: when you didn't see something coming that you should have.
Speaker 1: I had because I left the CIA in twenty eleven
Speaker 1: and I friends inside, I'd known the intel community. He
Speaker 1: was just progressively getting First of all, I went through
Speaker 1: eight years of the Obama administration, but even beyond that,
Speaker 1: it just more of the whatever happens in the corporate
Speaker 1: world people need to understand is reflected very much in
Speaker 1: the Federal Guard. The federal government's basically a massive corporation.
Speaker 1: That's how it operates as an employer, so all the
Speaker 1: same seminars and training. And actually it's probably worse at
Speaker 1: the government level because of a whole range of factors,
Speaker 1: the kind of people that want to do federal service.
Speaker 1: But anyway, again into that at length, the thing that
Speaker 1: surprised me was the and we saw this during COVID
Speaker 1: and a variety of factors, but the stalinism of the
Speaker 1: medical community caught me completely off guard, and the unwillingness
Speaker 1: of people to say this is madness. I am an MD,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you guys, this is crazy, they would
Speaker 1: tell me privately. Not very many. Yes, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's the last magisterium to have fallen is the medical
Speaker 1: community and medical science. I've written this before, but in
Speaker 1: my view, one of the last authorities I was willing
Speaker 1: to hear from, actually willing to hear from and follow
Speaker 1: through on their advice, was scientific our community, Yeah, your
Speaker 1: doctor and so on. And I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of us had a moment where we were actually, Okay,
Speaker 1: that one's gone as well. It was when the medical
Speaker 1: journals started publishing BLM stuff. It was when two thousand
Speaker 1: health professionals signed that letter. I think in the lansid
Speaker 1: if I remember rightly after the death of George Floyd,
Speaker 1: having spent months telling us to stay inside our houses
Speaker 1: and not leave our houses, suddenly saying actually, racism is
Speaker 1: a bigger public health crisis, and therefore you should all
Speaker 1: come out on the streets and gather by the millions
Speaker 1: and mass march. For a lot of us, that was
Speaker 1: one of the moments where we go, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't believe you guys anymore. I don't think you are
Speaker 1: are these non political a political actors. I think you've
Speaker 1: become highly political actors alike almost everyone else. And I
Speaker 1: think all of us saw something fall away in our
Speaker 1: trust in recent years, and that's not something I particularly celebrate.
Speaker 1: I think that conservatives should should be on the side
Speaker 1: of building up trust in institutions. It's a very strange
Speaker 1: thing in our time that it's conservatives who have lost
Speaker 1: trust in institutions and are now wondering what we do.
Speaker 1: And the answer of what to do is not straightforward,
Speaker 1: but broadly speaking, it's the old thing that it gathers
Speaker 1: around either building new institutions or trying to rescue the
Speaker 1: ones that have fallen into the bad. Neither of these
Speaker 1: are cheap or easy. And I think it also showed
Speaker 1: itself with we'd known, you know, the elon Mosque Twitter situation,
Speaker 1: where you finally got to look inside at the guts
Speaker 1: of what was going on there. You and I and
Speaker 1: many others had known for your but for people who
Speaker 1: weren't really operating on social media platforms as part of
Speaker 1: their profession, right, as part of their ability to you know,
Speaker 1: this was a big deal. The President of the United States,
Speaker 1: when it was Donald Trump, for four years used Twitter
Speaker 1: as as among his most consistent and effective tools of communication, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I still joke around about the one day
Speaker 1: I woke up and I think Trump had retweeted six
Speaker 1: of my tweets in a row, because my timeline was,
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, the guy who was
Speaker 1: playing the hotdog vendor from Baywatch in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: was like cursing me out. I'm like, what's what's going
Speaker 1: on here? Like it just was a crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: a crazy moment because it was such a mass communication
Speaker 1: mass communication platform at that time for Trump and for
Speaker 1: so many others, But I think it's good for everyone
Speaker 1: to see that the people that were operating these again
Speaker 1: pre pre elon and it's the same thing at Facebook.
Speaker 1: It's probably worse even at YouTube because YouTube always has
Speaker 1: Google above it and like alphabet, and they're basically telling
Speaker 1: everybody we're the most powerful company in the world. Were
Speaker 1: a virtual printing press for money, what are you going
Speaker 1: to do to us? So they don't even care. At least,
Speaker 1: you know, Twitter wasn't running an effective business. Google YouTube
Speaker 1: there's still a printing press for money. But I think
Speaker 1: it's important for people to see that the most powerful
Speaker 1: tools of information dissemination and history were tools of straight
Speaker 1: up censorship and authoritarianism and partisanships. Yeah, and people saw
Speaker 1: this one by one. And you know, I said during
Speaker 1: the COVID period with the BLM staff doting us going
Speaker 1: on the first the first rule of the period, if
Speaker 1: one had one, was a very simple one, which is
Speaker 1: don't go mad. Not everyone has followed this piece of
Speaker 1: advice on any side, but broadly speaking, you had to
Speaker 1: try to not go mad. Why were so many people
Speaker 1: going mad because they were being force fed things that
Speaker 1: weren't true and which they sensed to be untrue. But
Speaker 1: they didn't know what was going on. Suddenly get you
Speaker 1: just get told all of these untrue things about things that,
Speaker 1: as I say, everyone new till yesterday. Or let me
Speaker 1: let me do it this way. Go back twenty years.
Speaker 1: Let's let's pretend we're at the beginning of the millennium
Speaker 1: where we've got the Internet. We've got this amazing tool
Speaker 1: for social discovery form into personal discovery of learning of
Speaker 1: almost every book is free online, all news pretty much.
Speaker 1: You just feel like it's amazing. You can you can
Speaker 1: speak to anyone right on the other side of the world,
Speaker 1: like what good couldn't be done with this sort of technology.
Speaker 1: You fast forward to twenty twenty three, and we don't
Speaker 1: know what a woman is, and we don't know when
Speaker 1: America was founded. In other words, we've got stupider. The
Speaker 1: tools for mass communication and learning and the dissemination of
Speaker 1: ideas have made us dumber than we used to be.
Speaker 1: And there's a societal cost to that. And my hope
Speaker 1: is that we're starting to see that cost rather clear.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of things like the claps of SVB and
Speaker 1: signature and others now credits suits, Um, these were unthinkable
Speaker 1: collapses only a while ago, But you know they're not.
Speaker 1: It's not the only explanation for the claps. But look
Speaker 1: at what these these banks were doing. Look at it
Speaker 1: at Silicon Valley Banks loan promises. It's promised that it
Speaker 1: was going to loan more to minorities to get a
Speaker 1: more equitable America. At the end of it, I mean,
Speaker 1: anyone recouires that from the two thousand and eight crisis, Um,
Speaker 1: the idea that that Silicon Valley Bank had only one
Speaker 1: member of its board who was competent in finance, and
Speaker 1: that the others were democratic donors and appointees. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I joked in I think in the madness of crowds
Speaker 1: that some day the bridges will fall down, um, and
Speaker 1: that's when we'll realize we don't have time for this rubbish.
Speaker 1: Since then, I've come to the belief that if the
Speaker 1: bridges do fall down, it'll be because of systemic racism.
Speaker 1: But the bridges are still up, but the banks are not.
Speaker 1: The banks are falling and turn out to be, among
Speaker 1: other things, falling because they haven't had their eye on
Speaker 1: the ball. They've been playing this stupid, unwinnable game of
Speaker 1: the era about diversity inclusion and equity and what's it
Speaker 1: brought them? They pretended, like everyone else, Like everyone in
Speaker 1: the American education system, from Randy Weingarten down or Randy
Speaker 1: Weingarten up, whatever way you like to think of it,
Speaker 1: they've pretended the same thing, which is that if you
Speaker 1: do the diversity inclusion equity thing, the other side is
Speaker 1: even better. It's much better, infinitely better, richer, fairer, everything's better.
Speaker 1: Everywhere you try this, everything becomes worse. Yes, it does.
Speaker 1: No one want to reflect on that. And can I
Speaker 1: tell you that one thing that I saw as a
Speaker 1: New Yorker, former New Yorker now Douglas so I got
Speaker 1: to put the pressure on you their chief. But as
Speaker 1: a as a New Yorker, one thing that I saw
Speaker 1: that really was troubling, and it was it wasn't just COVID,
Speaker 1: it was that whole that whole series of events where
Speaker 1: it was COVID and then the you know, BLM riots
Speaker 1: in the streets, and then the rising crime and the
Speaker 1: decay and the problems that were happening in cities, name
Speaker 1: a major city had happened basically everywhere in the country,
Speaker 1: with actually exception of a few big cities in Florida,
Speaker 1: maybe a few other places. And what I realized was
Speaker 1: that the the Democrat response to this wasn't oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what have we done. We're crazy, We're tearing down what
Speaker 1: we have here is in the case of New York,
Speaker 1: I mean, San Francisco is like it should be paradise, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know Los Angeles, these are places that
Speaker 1: should just be and they have been in the past.
Speaker 1: It's not like some theory. I mean, I talk about
Speaker 1: how he used to watch Full House and I wanted
Speaker 1: to live in a big house in San Francisco when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, like all that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know the show you're British, but you know
Speaker 1: Full House is a big show and it's like our
Speaker 1: Faulty Towers, but with kids instead of adult and so
Speaker 1: you know, now they've ruined these places. But the response,
Speaker 1: and I know, I'm kind of getting a going a
Speaker 1: roundabout way, but the response wasn't oh my god, we
Speaker 1: got to fix this right away. It was from a
Speaker 1: lot of people, this is the price we pay. This
Speaker 1: is this a more equitable society requires this suffering and degradation. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can actually occasionally in private, get them to admit
Speaker 1: that that's their belief, is that there's a period of
Speaker 1: pain before the arrival of Nirvana. So that for instance,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a story I've been following quite closely
Speaker 1: here in New York about the migrant buses that arrive
Speaker 1: in New York, and the New York authorities don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with the migrants, and they put them
Speaker 1: up in hotels, and in the migrants do generally trash
Speaker 1: the hotels or at least make them into not so
Speaker 1: luxurious places as they were before. And whenever you follow
Speaker 1: this story, and by the way, New York is struggling
Speaker 1: with a few thousand migrants, you know, I mean, now
Speaker 1: it's it's like forty thousand, right, something like that. Forty thousand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's only I mean, there's a number of days
Speaker 1: of arrival into Texas across the southern border. So you know,
Speaker 1: if New York can't cope with a few days of
Speaker 1: illegal movement into Texas or Arizona, then you know what,
Speaker 1: then there must be a problem, mustn't there? Guys? You know?
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing about about that is that
Speaker 1: they they recognize it's a problem. They recognize that the
Speaker 1: problem is going to grow and grow, and they don't
Speaker 1: come to any conclusions about it, such as close the
Speaker 1: border or send people back when they come illegally. Um,
Speaker 1: it's the same with homelessness issue. The homelessness can get
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. New York's bad, But as
Speaker 1: you say, Los Angeles, San Francisco, places like Portland, places
Speaker 1: like Seattle, these are once very beautiful and noble cities,
Speaker 1: and I've seen them in that guise not anymore. And
Speaker 1: again in private, you can you can sometimes get the
Speaker 1: advocates of this d I stuff to say, look, of
Speaker 1: course there's going to be this churn for a period,
Speaker 1: but it's worth it. And my argument is is my
Speaker 1: repast is always as follows. Show me the one place
Speaker 1: this has worked, and let's be certain it worked for
Speaker 1: this reason before we roll out the same policy everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, they can't point to it. I wish there
Speaker 1: was more more effort spent for people in this country
Speaker 1: to understand the recent history. You know, you talk about
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, you talk about something which you know,
Speaker 1: I find the Soviet Union fascinating. I know you do
Speaker 1: the history of it, and how how could that have happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a remarkable intellectual, philosophical, political, and
Speaker 1: historical exercise to see how a place could fall into
Speaker 1: that kind of of of tyranny and spread around the
Speaker 1: world in so many ways. But with the case of Venezuela,
Speaker 1: especially again being down tore in South Florida, people need
Speaker 1: to understand that what really happened in Venezuela was social justice.
Speaker 1: Rabble Rousers took over the country promising that they were
Speaker 1: going to give a lot of stuff to people for free,
Speaker 1: and they actually just enriched themselves. And this is what
Speaker 1: always Communists are always rich, right, meaning the top of
Speaker 1: the you know, the top of the socialist hierarchy, they're
Speaker 1: always fine, they always do great, and they impoverished and
Speaker 1: destroyed a beautiful country that was. And all the Venezuelans
Speaker 1: you meet here, all of them talk about this, and
Speaker 1: it somehow knows doesn't get any you know. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear AOC explain how how taking the Venezuela
Speaker 1: approach to anything a city, of state, or even all
Speaker 1: of America would be a good idea. I would love
Speaker 1: to hear that explota his very quickly. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: sometimes regarded now as a cliche to quote George Orwell,
Speaker 1: but it's also often impossible not to. It's a great
Speaker 1: story of George Orwell arguing with us Lanists in the
Speaker 1: forties in England, and George Orwell gets him to admit that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's been certain excesses and the stylist movement,
Speaker 1: and that maybe the famines in Ukraine, you know, weren't ideal,
Speaker 1: and eventually he considered the Communists. A Stalinist conceives this.
Speaker 1: He eventually conceives the show Trials of thirty seven, the
Speaker 1: mass ridiculous show trials which led to so many deaths
Speaker 1: and murders, and the goolag. He gets this guy to
Speaker 1: admit to a lot of this, and eventually the Stalinist
Speaker 1: falls back on that worst defense of all. He says,
Speaker 1: you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, and Orwell replied,
Speaker 1: where's the omelet? The same question is begging from Venezuela,
Speaker 1: from every country which has tried actual socialism, where's your omelet?
Speaker 1: At the end of this, because we only see a
Speaker 1: mass of bloody broken eggs among much else, that's all
Speaker 1: we can see. Venezuela. To my Venezuelan friends can't return.
Speaker 1: Most of them, the ones who have left and settled
Speaker 1: elsewhere illegally, they can't return for sheer safety reasons to
Speaker 1: their country of birth. This happened in our lifetimes. This
Speaker 1: happened in our lifetimes, and it was the choice. This
Speaker 1: is the crucial thing. This was a choice of politicians
Speaker 1: who were put there by people who were badly, badly informed.
Speaker 1: To put it in its mildest, Venezuela has the same
Speaker 1: energy reserves as Norway. Norway has one of the biggest
Speaker 1: sovereign wealth funds in the world. There is a reason
Speaker 1: why Norway is Norway and Venezuela is Venezuela. And it's
Speaker 1: because the Norwegians were more careful with their society. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if we don't learn from that more for us,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your tour Douglas in
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Speaker 1: dot Org. Douglas, you made a tour of Southern campuses.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a lot of fun. Hopefully a lot of
Speaker 1: Clay and Buck radio fans down there, you know, carrying
Speaker 1: red solo with the floppy hair, loving the re sec
Speaker 1: football teams. So tell me how was it. What'd you see? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't the Carolinas and Virginia, and one of the
Speaker 1: highlights was speaking at the University of Virginia, in which
Speaker 1: I've never been to for the first time. It's because
Speaker 1: one of the great creations of Thomas Jefferson. I was
Speaker 1: very struck by a number of things. One was the
Speaker 1: extent to which America is just so confused about its
Speaker 1: history and has been so badly misinformed about it. And
Speaker 1: sometimes perhaps it takes an ostentatious outsider to point some
Speaker 1: things out. But the way in which, for instance, at
Speaker 1: UVA met so many people who genuinely have been brought
Speaker 1: up to despise the founder of not only their country
Speaker 1: but the institution that they're learning in. The inability to
Speaker 1: get the past into a proper context, to get historical
Speaker 1: figures into a proper context. The present is m that
Speaker 1: is everywhere in America. That if if people from the
Speaker 1: past happen not to share our particular views in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three of them, we must stand as judge, jury,
Speaker 1: and executioner over them. This is wildly ahistorical, and it's
Speaker 1: also presumptuous. I think, but I found a lot of
Speaker 1: that was going on. And another thing I found was
Speaker 1: the disturbing timidity of a lot of students. There are
Speaker 1: so many. There's no shortage of smart students in America,
Speaker 1: you know, far from it. But there is a timidity
Speaker 1: which has crept in because of the danger effectively of
Speaker 1: putting out there things which I use the phrase again,
Speaker 1: but things which we all knew until yesterday. If you
Speaker 1: were to deny the lived experience of a fellow student
Speaker 1: on campus, I hate these terms, like lived experience. They're
Speaker 1: more Marxist nonsense. I mean, what other type of experience
Speaker 1: is there than a lived experience? I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: there are a manage, right, it's to give it that
Speaker 1: pseudo scientific Marxist you know, yeah, shine facade over it,
Speaker 1: your lived experience as opposed to your experience, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's more of the sort of social
Speaker 1: justice bunkum. But but yeah, you know, if you were
Speaker 1: to deny the you know, or contradict the lived experience
Speaker 1: of a fellow student by doing something quite straightforward like saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, we had slavery in America. Well everyone
Speaker 1: had slavery. I mean if you were to take that attitude,
Speaker 1: which is a perfect reasonable attitude to take, you'd have
Speaker 1: to be a sort of camacaze of a student to
Speaker 1: do such a thing to say, well, you know, the
Speaker 1: African states that were slaving at the same time as
Speaker 1: America was slaving didn't stop when America stopped. They kept slaving.
Speaker 1: I was in Boston the other day and I went
Speaker 1: to the Boston Fine Arts Museum after speaking to some
Speaker 1: friends at Harvard and MIT, and there were some Benin bronzes,
Speaker 1: which have become one of those corners of histories, have
Speaker 1: become highly controversial. I joked to my friend, let's go
Speaker 1: and see the Benin bronzes whilst they're still here in Boston,
Speaker 1: because they'll probably be sent back at some point. There's
Speaker 1: a big move for this sort of thing. And it
Speaker 1: was so funny because I said to this friend, it's
Speaker 1: so interesting that whatever institution you go to, whether it's
Speaker 1: in London or in Washington or in Boston, and you
Speaker 1: see these sort of historic exhibitions, they'll tell you all
Speaker 1: about the slavery of the American past. They will not
Speaker 1: tell you that Benin was still slaving at the time
Speaker 1: that the bronzes were being allegedly looted in the late
Speaker 1: nineteen twentieth century. I think sort of things matter. Yeah, well, first,
Speaker 1: you know, you might have seen I was stuck on
Speaker 1: an airplane for like almost thirteen hours recently, um on
Speaker 1: my honeymoons. I mean, it wasn't like tough duty. But
Speaker 1: I had to find something to watch. So I watched
Speaker 1: The Woman The Woman King, which is about um, a
Speaker 1: tribe in Africa, UM that is actually notorious for being
Speaker 1: a tribe that would enslave all these other tribes. And
Speaker 1: of course in the movie, they're fighting against the evil
Speaker 1: you know, white slavers and this other tribe that wants
Speaker 1: to do the slave but they're actually not. But the
Speaker 1: truth is they were actually doing the doing the enslaving.
Speaker 1: And you get no sense of that whatsoever from the movie.
Speaker 1: You get no sense that they were the most well
Speaker 1: known slave raiding African tribe of other African tribes is
Speaker 1: who the movie is based on. And no one. Don't
Speaker 1: you long for art and movies and and things that
Speaker 1: actually trusts us to deal with complexity? You know, I
Speaker 1: mean I find it pretty hard to watch anything these
Speaker 1: days that's just been made because of the sheer sort
Speaker 1: of social indoctrination that's always going on. I just finished
Speaker 1: The Last of Us. I wasn't sorry to see it end.
Speaker 1: But this sort of apocalyptic drama, of course, inevitably tells
Speaker 1: you that after a sort of apocalyptic virus in America,
Speaker 1: the residual sort of camps of gun toting Americans will
Speaker 1: be led mainly by women and mainly by women of color,
Speaker 1: who tell all the men what to do. And well,
Speaker 1: this is just sort of social indoctrination at this point,
Speaker 1: and that's the same in almost all entertainment. I would
Speaker 1: love to see a film that actually exposed the way
Speaker 1: in which people like that the o bar of Benin
Speaker 1: slaved into the twentieth century. I'd love to see something
Speaker 1: on slavery in the world today. I've I've traveled enough
Speaker 1: around Africa and the Middle East to meet people who
Speaker 1: were born as slaves. It's an appalling thing. There are
Speaker 1: more slaves in the world today than there were at
Speaker 1: the height of the slave trade in the nineh sent tree. Um.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see something about that made by Netflix
Speaker 1: or Hollywood. I'd love them to show the pre Colombian
Speaker 1: Americas as something other than this Edenic paradise, which was
Speaker 1: then ruined by the white European coming in. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they seem to not be able to trust us with it.
Speaker 1: We've just got to get this endless sort of um indoctrination.
Speaker 1: That's essentially My problem with it is not just that
Speaker 1: it's untrue, but that it's boring. Yes, well you would
Speaker 1: find the woman king boring, by the way, very boring.
Speaker 1: It is not it is not really worth and it's
Speaker 1: all about It's like I said, it's all about Dahomi tribe.
Speaker 1: And I think it's also interesting because there's there's the
Speaker 1: agoge are the female This is why it's so interesting
Speaker 1: to Hollywood, the female black warrior cast within the Dahomey
Speaker 1: tribe and and you're led to believe it these are
Speaker 1: basically like the female Spartans of West Africa. Well, they
Speaker 1: don't deal within the movie. Is that a basically a
Speaker 1: minor lay on. I mean they tried to fight against
Speaker 1: I believe it was a French French colonial expansion and
Speaker 1: like a minor French expeditionary force just completely annihilated them
Speaker 1: off the battlefield. I mean, no surprise here, right, But
Speaker 1: this notion of this this truly elite. No, they were
Speaker 1: an elite force at the enslavement of fellow Africans, including
Speaker 1: women and children. That's what they were, actually, that's what
Speaker 1: that's what they were elited doing. Actually dealing with other
Speaker 1: trained military was not you know, they are not the spartans.
Speaker 1: But again, the history you're not allowed to talk about
Speaker 1: the real history. Yeah, because because again of this stupid thing.
Speaker 1: You watch any entertainment now, and there's always got to
Speaker 1: be the strong woman narrative, because you've got to tell
Speaker 1: young girls an American I think can hold you down.
Speaker 1: You can be a tough gang leader if you want
Speaker 1: to be. You can even be a bank robber if
Speaker 1: you want to be. There's always got to be the
Speaker 1: strong woman narrative. There's always got to be the overrepresentation
Speaker 1: of gaze, there's always got to be the the ethnic
Speaker 1: politics a bit into the mix. And as I say,
Speaker 1: I mean there are a few things that have avoided
Speaker 1: this White Lotus maybe is one of the few, but
Speaker 1: most drama today you can predict from the get go
Speaker 1: who is going to live, who is going to die,
Speaker 1: who is going to be the leader, and who is
Speaker 1: going to be the loser, And you can tell it
Speaker 1: just by looking at frankly, what chromosomes you guess they
Speaker 1: have and what their skin color is. It's very boring,
Speaker 1: you know. I long for not being able to guess
Speaker 1: so easily how the whole thing's going to pan out.
Speaker 1: You know, it's always interesting to see how many people
Speaker 1: will jump at you for saying things that go against
Speaker 1: this narrative without knowing the facts. But they just know
Speaker 1: that the emotional impulse is supposed to be a certain thing, right,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if they know anything about the
Speaker 1: subject matter. But so ill when I'll say that we
Speaker 1: fought our first foreign war because of the enslavement of
Speaker 1: white people buy brown Arabs, right, that is what happened.
Speaker 1: When I say we fought our first form war, people
Speaker 1: will you will see, especially if you stayed around you know,
Speaker 1: college college age radicals. Oh, that's such a lie, and
Speaker 1: it's not. It is one hundred percent true. So it is.
Speaker 1: It is as as true as anything that we can
Speaker 1: know in our history. But people don't like to hear it.
Speaker 1: I'd ask you this, how many of the I mean,
Speaker 1: so were you giving speeches up on stage and taking
Speaker 1: Q and A basically at some of these campuses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you ever bring up I'm just wondering, did you
Speaker 1: ever bring up in the discussions about um, just giving
Speaker 1: a full picture of slavery and the history around it,
Speaker 1: and history that is just true. Slavery is evil? You agree?
Speaker 1: I agree. Everybody agrees slavery is evil. Was there ever
Speaker 1: any mentioned though, or do you think they would even
Speaker 1: allow you to mention that there were freed blacks who
Speaker 1: owned slaves in the American South? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, It's
Speaker 1: a point point I try to bring up with some regularity. Um,
Speaker 1: it's very it's a very important detail, and it's not
Speaker 1: a small one actually either. The numbers are pretty significant. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm deeply concerned about the counter story that is being
Speaker 1: told about America because I think it is making people
Speaker 1: racist about against white people, which is as evil as
Speaker 1: it would be if you invented a narrative that made
Speaker 1: racism easier to express against black people or anyone else.
Speaker 1: I think that racism is evil every which way it's pointed,
Speaker 1: and I think that this particular form of racism is
Speaker 1: only white people can do bad, and therefore if the
Speaker 1: white people shut up or dial it down or do
Speaker 1: less in their lives, you know, hand over the microphone,
Speaker 1: all this sort of nonsense you hear, then you know
Speaker 1: that's that's that's where we'll get to the good. And
Speaker 1: here's here's my real worry about this. As a society.
Speaker 1: It is incredibly important that America remained dominant and competitive
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. We know that if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: there are others, mainly China, who will step into that role.
Speaker 1: China is obviously trying to do that on the international stage.
Speaker 1: At the moment it sees an opening and it's trying
Speaker 1: to seize it. It will try to do it on
Speaker 1: every stage. Here's the thing. Most of us, I think,
Speaker 1: from right and left, if we take away the crassness
Speaker 1: of parts of both sides, pretty much agree that what
Speaker 1: we want is for America to be highly competitive, and
Speaker 1: for America to be highly competitive, Americans should be freed
Speaker 1: up to achieve whatever they can achieve in their lives
Speaker 1: and use their talents the best of their abilities. Now
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If we said except women, then first
Speaker 1: of all, you would say, well, that's kind of bigoted.
Speaker 1: But secondly, you say, why would you want to hold
Speaker 1: back half of the population from achievings. That's madness. What
Speaker 1: if you said, we want to hold back Hispanics from
Speaker 1: doing stuff Hispanic Americans, why would you do that? These
Speaker 1: would be bad ideas. The worst idea of all is
Speaker 1: to try to hold back your majority population from achieving
Speaker 1: whatever they can achieve by marking people down because they're
Speaker 1: white for university entry and other things, by telling them
Speaker 1: to shut up in their lives, by telling them that
Speaker 1: they've got to hand over the space the people of
Speaker 1: other ethnicities or other sexualities or sexual orientations or whatever.
Speaker 1: If America is going to succeed in the twenty first century,
Speaker 1: and all freedom around the world relies on it, on this,
Speaker 1: all three societies around the world rely on America remaining dominant.
Speaker 1: The Americas to remain dominant, it has to be competitive
Speaker 1: in every field, and for that to happen, absolutely everybody
Speaker 1: has to have the best opportunities they can to fulfill
Speaker 1: their potential in this life. To demoralize the majority of
Speaker 1: the population. To tell men that they are trash, to
Speaker 1: tell white people that they are guilty from birth by
Speaker 1: dint of being white. All of these things are profound evils.
Speaker 1: And what's more, they are going to diminish the ability
Speaker 1: of people in America to achieve what they should achieve.
Speaker 1: So it is a simple suicide. Note that the left
Speaker 1: is offering us, and I suggest very very strongly, as
Speaker 1: an interloper, that we don't accept their invitation. Dougas before
Speaker 1: I let you go. I often get people who ask,
Speaker 1: after a conversation like this, well, give us something, give
Speaker 1: us some takeaways, and usually ed's give us some books.
Speaker 1: In the realm of big name historians. Right now, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: even in the biography side, as you know, there are
Speaker 1: not nearly enough to say they're conservatives I think is
Speaker 1: even going too far, but just just pure historians, and
Speaker 1: there are more and more revisionist, leftist, politicized histories being
Speaker 1: written all the time. If we were to just give you,
Speaker 1: were to give a few names of people for whom
Speaker 1: you can read the history, and it's just damn good history,
Speaker 1: and it's not actually history well done for you. Who
Speaker 1: would be a few names that come to mind? Well,
Speaker 1: let me circumvent that. I'm a great advocate of book reading,
Speaker 1: but let me psycument by making it even tighter suggestion.
Speaker 1: I recently did a series called Uncancelled History. It's available
Speaker 1: free on YouTube and on various other platforms, Spotify and
Speaker 1: so On Uncanceled History, you will see me interviewing ten
Speaker 1: leading historians on major historical figures who have been misrepresented
Speaker 1: in recent years, including the wonderful gene Yarborough on Thomas Jefferson,
Speaker 1: Alan Gelzo on Washington, FLIPI. Fernandez, A. Mesto on Columbus,
Speaker 1: John Van Hoorn on Robert E. Lee and more. And
Speaker 1: each of them are roughly an hour, sometimes a little over,
Speaker 1: sometimes a little under. And I did it because I
Speaker 1: wanted to get whilst we still have them experts in
Speaker 1: the American past in particular who really know the subject,
Speaker 1: not studies within the sociological aspects of but the facts.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get all these people on camera, and
Speaker 1: it was. They were all absolutely fascinating conversations with top
Speaker 1: rank historians. I can't recommend it highly enough. I learned
Speaker 1: a huge amount from it, and I really hope other
Speaker 1: people do too. I will check it out myself. Actually
Speaker 1: it is on camp. By the way, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: you stuck the landing on that answer, buddy. I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 1: I don't know where we were going, but bam, I'll
Speaker 1: get her. Nine point nine uncanceled history on YouTube. That's
Speaker 1: just what we have to look for. Yeah, uncanceled history
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Everybody check that out and also get Douglas's
Speaker 1: latest book, The War on the West, which I have
Speaker 1: read and I highly highly recommend to all of you.
Speaker 1: Douglas appreciate you making the time. I hope you'll come
Speaker 1: back later this year. We'll have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: I'd love that much. Enjoyed it. Thanks all the best.