1 00:00:11,657 --> 00:00:14,937 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,937 --> 00:00:17,577 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeart Radio app 3 00:00:17,857 --> 00:00:21,297 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to 4 00:00:21,337 --> 00:00:25,777 Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show. In this episode, we have Douglas 5 00:00:25,897 --> 00:00:29,257 Speaker 1: Murray with us. He is an author, a columnist. You 6 00:00:29,297 --> 00:00:31,897 Speaker 1: see him popping up on Fox News on the regular. 7 00:00:31,937 --> 00:00:34,497 Speaker 1: His latest book was The War on the West, which 8 00:00:34,577 --> 00:00:37,617 Speaker 1: is excellent to actually have it here on my bookshelf, 9 00:00:38,257 --> 00:00:42,217 Speaker 1: and he's writing from New York Post and other places. Douglas, 10 00:00:42,217 --> 00:00:44,937 Speaker 1: great to have you on, sir, Hey, great to be on. 11 00:00:45,817 --> 00:00:48,177 Speaker 1: So I'm sure now people ask you this occasionally, or 12 00:00:48,217 --> 00:00:51,497 Speaker 1: maybe I'm I'm making an assumption I shouldn't. But how's 13 00:00:51,537 --> 00:00:56,057 Speaker 1: this whole counter movement against the War on the West going? 14 00:00:56,177 --> 00:00:59,657 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? How is our counter strike 15 00:00:59,897 --> 00:01:04,257 Speaker 1: against the War on the West at this stage? Well, 16 00:01:04,297 --> 00:01:07,897 Speaker 1: it's much more developed. One of my one of my 17 00:01:07,977 --> 00:01:12,577 Speaker 1: self appointed tasks, I always say, is to head into 18 00:01:12,617 --> 00:01:17,177 Speaker 1: mine fields and gleefully run across them in the hope 19 00:01:17,217 --> 00:01:22,777 Speaker 1: that other people can traverse them more safely themselves afterwards. 20 00:01:23,257 --> 00:01:24,977 Speaker 1: But I wrote about this a couple of books back, 21 00:01:24,977 --> 00:01:27,137 Speaker 1: and my book The Madness of crowds that talked about 22 00:01:27,177 --> 00:01:30,257 Speaker 1: all the social justice nonsense. I said that my self 23 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:32,657 Speaker 1: pointed task was to do this thing that a landmine 24 00:01:32,737 --> 00:01:36,537 Speaker 1: clearer does. I go into the areas of subjects that 25 00:01:36,577 --> 00:01:38,777 Speaker 1: are really and everyone's saying, you can't talk about that, 26 00:01:39,097 --> 00:01:40,737 Speaker 1: and I talk about it. I write about it, and 27 00:01:40,777 --> 00:01:44,457 Speaker 1: I investigate it. And my hope always is that it 28 00:01:44,497 --> 00:01:46,057 Speaker 1: means that other people are going to do it after 29 00:01:46,137 --> 00:01:47,977 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I'm by any means the only person 30 00:01:48,057 --> 00:01:50,377 Speaker 1: doing it. But for instance, all the stuff I wrote 31 00:01:50,377 --> 00:01:54,897 Speaker 1: about in the Madness of Crowds, I'm delighted to see 32 00:01:54,977 --> 00:01:57,817 Speaker 1: not least some for instance, the trans issue, it has 33 00:01:57,897 --> 00:02:01,497 Speaker 1: just become really picked up by so many more people. 34 00:02:02,737 --> 00:02:04,737 Speaker 1: When I wrote about this some years ago, people are like, 35 00:02:04,777 --> 00:02:09,137 Speaker 1: why are you bothering about this like fringe thing, And 36 00:02:09,297 --> 00:02:12,617 Speaker 1: it's very good to see that there's lots of energized people, 37 00:02:12,737 --> 00:02:15,857 Speaker 1: including a lot of energized parents who are who are 38 00:02:15,937 --> 00:02:20,817 Speaker 1: understanding the significance of what's happening. The latest book, The 39 00:02:20,857 --> 00:02:23,737 Speaker 1: War on the West, Yeah, is about this anti Western movement, 40 00:02:23,737 --> 00:02:29,657 Speaker 1: specifically the sort of antihistory movement in the West. Again, 41 00:02:29,737 --> 00:02:33,177 Speaker 1: I think that it took some people time to realize. 42 00:02:33,177 --> 00:02:35,257 Speaker 1: It took me time to realize what was going on, 43 00:02:35,577 --> 00:02:38,177 Speaker 1: that what we were seeing was a fundamental assault on 44 00:02:38,217 --> 00:02:40,777 Speaker 1: everything in our past, you know, the good as well 45 00:02:40,817 --> 00:02:44,017 Speaker 1: as the bad. It's like nobody nobody contra you know, 46 00:02:44,057 --> 00:02:46,337 Speaker 1: the abrahm x kendis and thing nobody actually wants to 47 00:02:46,417 --> 00:02:51,137 Speaker 1: like not teach slavery or like not teach any child 48 00:02:51,217 --> 00:02:53,297 Speaker 1: anything bad about the American past. The thing is that 49 00:02:53,337 --> 00:02:54,737 Speaker 1: some of us were just like some of the good 50 00:02:54,737 --> 00:02:58,657 Speaker 1: stuff to be taught as well. And and again, I 51 00:02:58,657 --> 00:03:02,377 Speaker 1: mean I see, I see, particularly the last year, a 52 00:03:02,537 --> 00:03:06,737 Speaker 1: growing momentum of people realizing this. Everywhere I go across 53 00:03:06,817 --> 00:03:14,697 Speaker 1: the United States, I find beliegued but but nevertheless correct 54 00:03:15,177 --> 00:03:21,897 Speaker 1: Americans who desperately are looking for a way to defend 55 00:03:22,017 --> 00:03:26,297 Speaker 1: the things we all knew until yesterday, and not to 56 00:03:26,337 --> 00:03:29,417 Speaker 1: have to go along with the lies that are being 57 00:03:29,457 --> 00:03:35,297 Speaker 1: told about our past, not going along with the indoctrination 58 00:03:35,457 --> 00:03:39,737 Speaker 1: of the children. And I think that to that extent, 59 00:03:39,817 --> 00:03:43,537 Speaker 1: the counter push, as you say, it's definitely underway. There's 60 00:03:43,537 --> 00:03:46,937 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's no longer lonely in the minefield. 61 00:03:46,977 --> 00:03:50,017 Speaker 1: I can put it like that. Do you think you 62 00:03:50,017 --> 00:03:53,257 Speaker 1: know you brought up the transisue and and it was 63 00:03:53,297 --> 00:03:57,417 Speaker 1: just recently someone showed me that there was a planned 64 00:03:57,537 --> 00:04:02,297 Speaker 1: drag Queen Story hour for you know, the argument. And 65 00:04:02,337 --> 00:04:04,017 Speaker 1: I've seen this with other things too. You've seen this 66 00:04:04,137 --> 00:04:08,377 Speaker 1: with CRT, critical race theory, diversity, equity inclusion, in different 67 00:04:08,417 --> 00:04:15,577 Speaker 1: manifestations where the initial the initial talking points you get 68 00:04:15,617 --> 00:04:18,057 Speaker 1: from either side or along the lines of this isn't 69 00:04:18,057 --> 00:04:20,657 Speaker 1: even happening. Why are you focused on this? Like? Why 70 00:04:20,817 --> 00:04:23,177 Speaker 1: why are you so obsessed with this? Right? That's a 71 00:04:23,217 --> 00:04:25,577 Speaker 1: constant refrain, and because I think for a lot of 72 00:04:25,617 --> 00:04:29,377 Speaker 1: people they think, well, okay, maybe I am too focused, 73 00:04:29,497 --> 00:04:32,177 Speaker 1: And that of course serves a left's purpose because well, 74 00:04:32,217 --> 00:04:34,857 Speaker 1: if just fewer if fifty percent of the people who 75 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:37,577 Speaker 1: were wondering about this story, all of a sudden thing, 76 00:04:37,617 --> 00:04:39,297 Speaker 1: well I shouldn't care about this does not happened, that's 77 00:04:39,297 --> 00:04:41,137 Speaker 1: a huge victory. Right, So they don't even have to 78 00:04:41,177 --> 00:04:44,097 Speaker 1: defend it if they convince everybody that it's not really 79 00:04:44,137 --> 00:04:47,977 Speaker 1: happening or it's being exaggerated. But with the Drag Story 80 00:04:48,017 --> 00:04:51,777 Speaker 1: Hour thing specifically, it has become clear to me that 81 00:04:51,857 --> 00:04:54,817 Speaker 1: the same way that you said, you're a mind clearer 82 00:04:54,857 --> 00:04:59,057 Speaker 1: now for conservatism or traditionalism, or however you know you 83 00:04:59,097 --> 00:05:02,577 Speaker 1: would like to describe it. On the left, it feels 84 00:05:02,617 --> 00:05:04,817 Speaker 1: like the drag queen story hour thing is supposed to 85 00:05:04,897 --> 00:05:08,417 Speaker 1: be similar in my mind, similar but different, similar in 86 00:05:08,457 --> 00:05:11,417 Speaker 1: so far as they're just try trying to see my 87 00:05:11,537 --> 00:05:14,857 Speaker 1: idea here, Douglas. If they can get more and more 88 00:05:15,017 --> 00:05:18,057 Speaker 1: parents to think this is normal, they can get them 89 00:05:18,097 --> 00:05:20,257 Speaker 1: to think anything as normal. Like if they can break 90 00:05:20,257 --> 00:05:22,777 Speaker 1: you down so that you are bringing your four year 91 00:05:22,817 --> 00:05:26,737 Speaker 1: old to clap in cheer for a thirty five year 92 00:05:26,777 --> 00:05:28,777 Speaker 1: old or forty five year old man dressed as a 93 00:05:28,817 --> 00:05:31,817 Speaker 1: woman shaking his butt in front of your child, they 94 00:05:31,817 --> 00:05:35,097 Speaker 1: can get you to believe anything. Yeah, by the way, 95 00:05:35,137 --> 00:05:38,057 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as well as it were quite well 96 00:05:38,057 --> 00:05:41,657 Speaker 1: prepped for this because years ago I wrote a book 97 00:05:41,697 --> 00:05:46,057 Speaker 1: on immigration and mass immigration, the illegal mass immigration movement 98 00:05:46,057 --> 00:05:50,337 Speaker 1: into Europe, and it obviously resonated with American readers among others. 99 00:05:50,737 --> 00:05:53,897 Speaker 1: But I was used to this rhetorical trick of the 100 00:05:53,977 --> 00:05:56,257 Speaker 1: lefts from that book and from the years I wrote 101 00:05:56,257 --> 00:05:59,337 Speaker 1: about and studied and traveled and followed the story of migration, 102 00:05:59,857 --> 00:06:03,697 Speaker 1: because the left always said the following things. They said, 103 00:06:04,457 --> 00:06:13,137 Speaker 1: it's not happening. Then it is happening. You should like it. 104 00:06:13,137 --> 00:06:15,657 Speaker 1: It is happening, and you should put up with it. 105 00:06:15,897 --> 00:06:20,497 Speaker 1: And then finally it's revenge. So they would start out 106 00:06:20,537 --> 00:06:23,657 Speaker 1: by just pretending that what I saw with my eyes 107 00:06:24,737 --> 00:06:28,977 Speaker 1: across Europe was just not happening, and they would eventually 108 00:06:29,097 --> 00:06:32,217 Speaker 1: end by saying, it is happening, and you deserve it. 109 00:06:32,217 --> 00:06:35,657 Speaker 1: It's like a punishment for your past, a punishment of colonialism. 110 00:06:35,857 --> 00:06:42,177 Speaker 1: The Empire strikes back, they used to say, jokingly. So 111 00:06:42,657 --> 00:06:45,737 Speaker 1: I've seen exactly the same things happen in every other issue, 112 00:06:45,737 --> 00:06:49,297 Speaker 1: from the trans issue to the rewriting of America's past. 113 00:06:49,657 --> 00:06:53,737 Speaker 1: On the trans issue, they say, it isn't happening. I'd 114 00:06:53,777 --> 00:06:56,497 Speaker 1: like to see rt thing, same thing. It isn't happening, 115 00:06:56,697 --> 00:06:59,817 Speaker 1: and it should be happening, and it should be happening everywhere. 116 00:06:59,817 --> 00:07:04,017 Speaker 1: But it isn't happening anywhere, but it ought to be, right. 117 00:07:04,657 --> 00:07:07,177 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is the definition of 118 00:07:07,257 --> 00:07:10,377 Speaker 1: arguing and bad faith. Right, you're making the arguments defense 119 00:07:10,417 --> 00:07:13,137 Speaker 1: of your position premised around there is no position to 120 00:07:13,177 --> 00:07:16,257 Speaker 1: defend because it's not happening. But also if it were happening, 121 00:07:16,257 --> 00:07:19,377 Speaker 1: it would be a good thing. It is the ultimate 122 00:07:19,777 --> 00:07:23,457 Speaker 1: merry go round, completely circular logic. It's not really logic, 123 00:07:23,457 --> 00:07:27,217 Speaker 1: it's just circular um. But on the on the drag 124 00:07:27,297 --> 00:07:29,617 Speaker 1: Queen storry, how you see it goes if by the 125 00:07:29,697 --> 00:07:32,097 Speaker 1: way the drag Queen's story out was actually as sort 126 00:07:32,137 --> 00:07:35,497 Speaker 1: of as it were, actually innocent thing, which I'm sure 127 00:07:35,577 --> 00:07:39,257 Speaker 1: sometimes it has been akin to British panto, where there's 128 00:07:39,257 --> 00:07:42,097 Speaker 1: a sort of absurd man dressed up in an absurd 129 00:07:42,137 --> 00:07:44,617 Speaker 1: way reading a story. I don't have much problem with that. 130 00:07:45,337 --> 00:07:47,737 Speaker 1: And the thing that everyone is recognized as a problem 131 00:07:47,937 --> 00:07:52,577 Speaker 1: is the stripper shaking the bat in front of the 132 00:07:52,617 --> 00:07:55,257 Speaker 1: kids and being encouraged to put money into the throng. 133 00:07:55,577 --> 00:07:58,817 Speaker 1: I was like, and again that comes up and the 134 00:07:58,897 --> 00:08:01,977 Speaker 1: left says, that's not happening. And then you go, but 135 00:08:02,097 --> 00:08:05,217 Speaker 1: I've just seen it on a video, and they go, well, 136 00:08:05,257 --> 00:08:10,577 Speaker 1: the videos from a right wing source, um. And then 137 00:08:10,617 --> 00:08:14,257 Speaker 1: they say, and it should be happening because it's an 138 00:08:14,297 --> 00:08:18,417 Speaker 1: ancient part of lgbtquia plus culture, which as we know, 139 00:08:18,577 --> 00:08:23,777 Speaker 1: has been going on for millennia in exactly this format. 140 00:08:23,377 --> 00:08:26,377 Speaker 1: And then row it onto the Americans story and you 141 00:08:26,497 --> 00:08:29,737 Speaker 1: get the same dishonesty. Look at what Nicole Hannah Jones, 142 00:08:29,777 --> 00:08:32,497 Speaker 1: who I had a spat with recently, the originator of 143 00:08:32,497 --> 00:08:35,177 Speaker 1: the sixteen nineteen project of The New York Times. Look 144 00:08:35,177 --> 00:08:37,817 Speaker 1: at what people like her did. She and her editor 145 00:08:37,817 --> 00:08:40,537 Speaker 1: at The New York Times said, we want to reframe 146 00:08:40,977 --> 00:08:45,057 Speaker 1: the date of America's founding. Then when some of us 147 00:08:45,097 --> 00:08:47,697 Speaker 1: said we don't like the sound of that, they said, 148 00:08:47,857 --> 00:08:51,057 Speaker 1: we never said that. What they did was they took 149 00:08:51,137 --> 00:08:54,697 Speaker 1: the words reframing of the American founding out of the 150 00:08:54,697 --> 00:09:00,217 Speaker 1: original website and silently, in a stalinistic way, changed it 151 00:09:00,257 --> 00:09:02,257 Speaker 1: so then they could go, ha, we never said that, 152 00:09:03,537 --> 00:09:05,457 Speaker 1: you did say it. It's just that after the fact 153 00:09:05,497 --> 00:09:08,657 Speaker 1: he then edited it. And then they say, we don't 154 00:09:08,697 --> 00:09:11,337 Speaker 1: actually want all children in America to be told that 155 00:09:11,377 --> 00:09:14,257 Speaker 1: America's original sin is slavery, and at the same time 156 00:09:14,337 --> 00:09:17,217 Speaker 1: have a project which says, that's precisely what we want 157 00:09:17,257 --> 00:09:20,417 Speaker 1: to do. We want to totally rewrite the American story, 158 00:09:20,577 --> 00:09:25,097 Speaker 1: to turn it from a story of heroism and success 159 00:09:25,137 --> 00:09:29,617 Speaker 1: and courage into a story of iniquity and vice and evil. 160 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:33,057 Speaker 1: But then they pretend it's not happening, and also that 161 00:09:33,137 --> 00:09:36,057 Speaker 1: it should happen everywhere. You know. It's another thing that 162 00:09:36,737 --> 00:09:39,497 Speaker 1: I think this is a little it's a little controversial. 163 00:09:39,537 --> 00:09:41,657 Speaker 1: I love history. You love history, right. I'd read history 164 00:09:41,697 --> 00:09:43,777 Speaker 1: books and have my entire life since I was a 165 00:09:43,777 --> 00:09:45,657 Speaker 1: little kid for fun. I just think history books are 166 00:09:45,777 --> 00:09:47,577 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Most of the ones next to 167 00:09:47,617 --> 00:09:49,577 Speaker 1: my War on the West, which everybody should get, by 168 00:09:49,577 --> 00:09:53,137 Speaker 1: the way, I've got I'm just looking across. We've got Coolidge, 169 00:09:53,337 --> 00:09:57,217 Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson, Ethan Allen, Washington Grant, a big book on strategy, 170 00:09:57,217 --> 00:10:00,217 Speaker 1: A History of m I Six Spies and Commissars by Roberts. 171 00:10:00,417 --> 00:10:02,737 Speaker 1: I mean, anyway, point being, like, I go through those 172 00:10:02,737 --> 00:10:05,737 Speaker 1: are mostly that was my biography shelf. But point being, 173 00:10:05,817 --> 00:10:07,497 Speaker 1: I love all that stuff. Right. One of the things 174 00:10:07,577 --> 00:10:09,377 Speaker 1: you hear from the left, I think is always around 175 00:10:09,377 --> 00:10:12,737 Speaker 1: the issue of focus, and they'll say, well, there's there's 176 00:10:12,777 --> 00:10:17,337 Speaker 1: far too much focus on on sort of Eurocentric history 177 00:10:17,457 --> 00:10:20,297 Speaker 1: or or you know, this the the Western it's really 178 00:10:20,297 --> 00:10:22,857 Speaker 1: more even the Western civilization path. You know, you start 179 00:10:22,937 --> 00:10:25,137 Speaker 1: in you know, ancient Egypt, and then you get some 180 00:10:25,177 --> 00:10:27,897 Speaker 1: stuff going on and what is Israel today, and then 181 00:10:27,937 --> 00:10:30,057 Speaker 1: you move over, you know, you go to ancient Greece 182 00:10:30,057 --> 00:10:32,217 Speaker 1: and ancient Rome, and then you find yourself in Europe. 183 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:34,617 Speaker 1: And oh, look at this we discover America that they 184 00:10:34,617 --> 00:10:36,737 Speaker 1: object to this, But I always ask him and I say, 185 00:10:36,737 --> 00:10:41,097 Speaker 1: look what what what what would an ap history course? 186 00:10:41,137 --> 00:10:43,177 Speaker 1: And I say this, and honestly, what would an ap 187 00:10:43,417 --> 00:10:50,497 Speaker 1: history course in the literature of pre Colombian America? Particularly, 188 00:10:50,577 --> 00:10:53,017 Speaker 1: Let's say, I don't know, you pick uh, you know, 189 00:10:53,097 --> 00:10:55,897 Speaker 1: you pick a tribe in the American Southwest? What would 190 00:10:55,897 --> 00:10:57,937 Speaker 1: that even look like? Like? How would you do this 191 00:10:58,457 --> 00:11:00,977 Speaker 1: when you actually have a lot of societies And I 192 00:11:01,017 --> 00:11:04,097 Speaker 1: know this somehow is a controversial thing to say that 193 00:11:04,177 --> 00:11:07,217 Speaker 1: didn't have written language. So so how are you going 194 00:11:07,297 --> 00:11:10,577 Speaker 1: to do an in depth history, you know, pre the 195 00:11:10,657 --> 00:11:12,817 Speaker 1: years obviously of exploration everything else, How are you going 196 00:11:12,817 --> 00:11:15,297 Speaker 1: to do anything? Yes, you can do archaeological history, and 197 00:11:15,337 --> 00:11:17,777 Speaker 1: they're certainly, And people say, but the Aztecs were such. 198 00:11:18,097 --> 00:11:19,857 Speaker 1: By the way, the more people find out about Aztecs, 199 00:11:19,897 --> 00:11:21,177 Speaker 1: the more they're like, oh, I don't know if this, 200 00:11:21,577 --> 00:11:24,257 Speaker 1: I don't know if this whole harmony with other tribes 201 00:11:24,257 --> 00:11:26,457 Speaker 1: in the environment is really the vibe we want to 202 00:11:26,457 --> 00:11:31,217 Speaker 1: go for with the mass enslavement, human sacrifice, child sacrifice anyway, 203 00:11:32,137 --> 00:11:34,577 Speaker 1: child sacrifice something going on with Democrats these days too, 204 00:11:34,577 --> 00:11:38,177 Speaker 1: in America. But uh yeah, do you see what I'm saying? Though, 205 00:11:38,217 --> 00:11:41,017 Speaker 1: like like we never get to talk about this. I mean, Okay, 206 00:11:41,057 --> 00:11:43,777 Speaker 1: you don't want to do ancient Greece. What do you 207 00:11:43,817 --> 00:11:46,777 Speaker 1: want if you're studying something an eight hundred BC? Okay, 208 00:11:46,777 --> 00:11:49,017 Speaker 1: there are some options to Maria and at least whatever, 209 00:11:49,417 --> 00:11:51,617 Speaker 1: But what are you gonna what are you gonna study? 210 00:11:52,537 --> 00:11:55,457 Speaker 1: M This was a point by that Alan Bloom made 211 00:11:55,537 --> 00:11:58,297 Speaker 1: forty years ago now and the closing of the American mind, 212 00:11:58,817 --> 00:12:00,297 Speaker 1: when he said, if you're not going to have the 213 00:12:00,337 --> 00:12:05,857 Speaker 1: Bible as the basis for your civilization and historical sort 214 00:12:05,897 --> 00:12:09,737 Speaker 1: of religious social perspective, you ought to have a book 215 00:12:09,777 --> 00:12:15,937 Speaker 1: of called seriousness and depth. And I liked this point because, 216 00:12:15,977 --> 00:12:18,617 Speaker 1: of course it summons up the question, well, what would 217 00:12:18,697 --> 00:12:24,217 Speaker 1: that be? And the answer is hard to think of 218 00:12:24,257 --> 00:12:31,697 Speaker 1: another such book, to which you said precisely right now. 219 00:12:32,177 --> 00:12:35,497 Speaker 1: It's the same thing with Western history and Western philosophy 220 00:12:35,497 --> 00:12:37,257 Speaker 1: and all the things that the Western culture, all the 221 00:12:37,297 --> 00:12:39,417 Speaker 1: things that the Left is trying to destroy at the moment. 222 00:12:40,337 --> 00:12:42,337 Speaker 1: You better, you better, if you want to do away 223 00:12:42,377 --> 00:12:44,777 Speaker 1: with all that, you better have greater figures than the 224 00:12:44,817 --> 00:12:48,617 Speaker 1: Founding Fathers for us to revere you better have smarter 225 00:12:48,737 --> 00:12:52,337 Speaker 1: men than Thomas Jefferson in your back pocket. You better 226 00:12:52,377 --> 00:12:57,537 Speaker 1: have greater music than Bachs, You better have greater architecture 227 00:12:57,537 --> 00:13:00,737 Speaker 1: than the cathedrals of Europe. And you ought to have 228 00:13:00,857 --> 00:13:05,577 Speaker 1: better literature than Shakespeare, Dostoyevskia, much more. Now, if you've 229 00:13:05,577 --> 00:13:08,417 Speaker 1: got such a thing, fine, very interested to hear it, 230 00:13:09,417 --> 00:13:13,657 Speaker 1: have you? No? Oh? I see? Let me take the 231 00:13:13,697 --> 00:13:16,257 Speaker 1: example of the one that's most terrifying, which I write 232 00:13:16,257 --> 00:13:17,577 Speaker 1: around the war in the west of the way in 233 00:13:17,617 --> 00:13:21,817 Speaker 1: which all this nonsense has gone into stem subjects. Ask 234 00:13:22,217 --> 00:13:28,057 Speaker 1: anyone what the other ways of knowing have produced? This 235 00:13:28,137 --> 00:13:30,657 Speaker 1: is the idea that there is a western centric form 236 00:13:30,657 --> 00:13:34,857 Speaker 1: of mathematics and others other science and hard sciences, and 237 00:13:34,937 --> 00:13:37,377 Speaker 1: that they are so western Centric that they must be 238 00:13:37,497 --> 00:13:41,657 Speaker 1: disrupted by quote other ways of knowing. Here is you 239 00:13:41,697 --> 00:13:43,697 Speaker 1: just said you said a controversial thing. Let me throw 240 00:13:43,737 --> 00:13:49,057 Speaker 1: out a more controversial thing. When you need a vaccine 241 00:13:50,137 --> 00:13:53,977 Speaker 1: for a global pandemic, do you go to a Native 242 00:13:54,017 --> 00:13:56,657 Speaker 1: American tribe and say, we would like you to use 243 00:13:56,697 --> 00:13:59,617 Speaker 1: your other ways of knowing to come up with a vaccine. 244 00:14:01,297 --> 00:14:04,737 Speaker 1: Does anyone go to the Aboriginal tribes of Australia and 245 00:14:04,817 --> 00:14:09,217 Speaker 1: say we need your mathematical formulae to get this plane 246 00:14:09,257 --> 00:14:13,817 Speaker 1: off the ground. No, I'm afraid not. Now, this isn't 247 00:14:13,857 --> 00:14:17,257 Speaker 1: This isn't a white supremacist talking point. It's not a 248 00:14:17,297 --> 00:14:21,097 Speaker 1: Western supremacist talking point. It's the observation that what we 249 00:14:21,177 --> 00:14:25,097 Speaker 1: have is good, not because it's Western in itself, but 250 00:14:25,137 --> 00:14:30,217 Speaker 1: because it works. Because the math works. Yeah, because being 251 00:14:30,297 --> 00:14:34,457 Speaker 1: right siety works, and and and yeah, because being right 252 00:14:34,577 --> 00:14:37,257 Speaker 1: is good and the truth is good. And these things 253 00:14:37,777 --> 00:14:40,497 Speaker 1: are I believe central to what the left is trying 254 00:14:40,537 --> 00:14:42,657 Speaker 1: to tear down. I want to I have to give 255 00:14:42,697 --> 00:14:44,697 Speaker 1: a word to our sponsor. But but Douglas, just I 256 00:14:44,697 --> 00:14:46,537 Speaker 1: want to put something out there. You can think about it, 257 00:14:46,657 --> 00:14:48,897 Speaker 1: come back to. I do think that on the right 258 00:14:49,377 --> 00:14:53,537 Speaker 1: we have woken up quite a bit. There's that word woke. 259 00:14:53,777 --> 00:14:56,937 Speaker 1: We have. We have come to the realization of how 260 00:14:57,017 --> 00:14:59,017 Speaker 1: much the left is seeking to destroy. You mentioned the 261 00:14:59,017 --> 00:15:02,057 Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen project and all this stuff, and I want 262 00:15:02,057 --> 00:15:04,257 Speaker 1: to ask you about your tour of southern campuses in 263 00:15:04,297 --> 00:15:06,617 Speaker 1: a moment. But I also think that there is an 264 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:10,537 Speaker 1: underestimation of how rapidly the left wants to old up 265 00:15:10,657 --> 00:15:14,937 Speaker 1: or take over institutions and use them to rule effectively, 266 00:15:14,977 --> 00:15:18,177 Speaker 1: to be in charge to call the shots irrespective. You know, 267 00:15:18,177 --> 00:15:20,137 Speaker 1: we could sit here and talk about history. I also 268 00:15:20,177 --> 00:15:22,297 Speaker 1: think that there's a lack of understanding of So let 269 00:15:22,297 --> 00:15:24,017 Speaker 1: me come back to that with you in a second. 270 00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:27,217 Speaker 1: But I gotta tell everybody about the My Pillows, Douglas. 271 00:15:27,297 --> 00:15:29,257 Speaker 1: We're gotta get you something if you don't have them already. 272 00:15:29,817 --> 00:15:31,377 Speaker 1: Do you have some my pillows at home? We're gonna 273 00:15:31,417 --> 00:15:33,457 Speaker 1: hook you up. We're gonna get you if you can, 274 00:15:33,577 --> 00:15:37,977 Speaker 1: If you can give me a complimentary my bill. Oh yes, sir, 275 00:15:38,377 --> 00:15:40,657 Speaker 1: And Coulter was on here and she said she did 276 00:15:40,657 --> 00:15:42,857 Speaker 1: not have them. We had them delivered right to the 277 00:15:42,857 --> 00:15:46,257 Speaker 1: to Coulter manner to find out about it. Man, Yeah, okay, great, 278 00:15:46,297 --> 00:15:48,777 Speaker 1: we got to hook you up. So Mike Lindell's invented 279 00:15:48,777 --> 00:15:51,377 Speaker 1: the original my Pillow, but now twenty years later, the 280 00:15:51,417 --> 00:15:53,577 Speaker 1: company's got this new technology if the My Pillow two 281 00:15:53,617 --> 00:15:56,897 Speaker 1: point zero the patented adjustable fill of the same My Pillow, 282 00:15:56,977 --> 00:15:59,977 Speaker 1: but has a brand new exclusive fabric made with temperature 283 00:15:59,977 --> 00:16:02,897 Speaker 1: regulating thread. The My Pillow two point zero is the softest, smoothest, 284 00:16:03,137 --> 00:16:05,577 Speaker 1: coolest pillow you'll ever own. You won't be tossing and 285 00:16:05,617 --> 00:16:07,577 Speaker 1: turning looking for the cool part of the pillow anymore. 286 00:16:07,657 --> 00:16:09,497 Speaker 1: The My Pillow two point zero is a great deal 287 00:16:09,617 --> 00:16:12,217 Speaker 1: right now. You can buy one and get one free 288 00:16:12,217 --> 00:16:14,457 Speaker 1: for a limited time with promo code buck. That's promo 289 00:16:14,497 --> 00:16:17,057 Speaker 1: code b uc k at my pillow dot com check 290 00:16:17,097 --> 00:16:18,857 Speaker 1: out then my Pillow two point Oh. Kerry and I 291 00:16:18,897 --> 00:16:21,897 Speaker 1: have them on the bed here in Florida. We absolutely 292 00:16:21,977 --> 00:16:24,297 Speaker 1: love them. So it's one hundred percent made in the USA. 293 00:16:24,377 --> 00:16:27,297 Speaker 1: By the way, ten year warrantee, sixty day money back guarantee. 294 00:16:27,417 --> 00:16:29,137 Speaker 1: But on my pillow dot com click on the radio 295 00:16:29,137 --> 00:16:32,257 Speaker 1: listener special square buy one, get one free on my 296 00:16:32,417 --> 00:16:34,497 Speaker 1: Pillow two point on when you use promo code buck 297 00:16:34,537 --> 00:16:37,617 Speaker 1: promo code b uc k. All right, Douglas, we know 298 00:16:37,617 --> 00:16:40,497 Speaker 1: they're trying to tear down Are we not on the 299 00:16:40,577 --> 00:16:44,137 Speaker 1: right aware enough of what they're trying to build and 300 00:16:44,217 --> 00:16:47,337 Speaker 1: the platforms and the heights of our society that they 301 00:16:47,377 --> 00:16:50,937 Speaker 1: have already seized. Yes, I think that's true. I think 302 00:16:50,937 --> 00:16:52,817 Speaker 1: that it's come as an enormous shock to a lot 303 00:16:52,817 --> 00:16:54,937 Speaker 1: of people in America as across the rest of the 304 00:16:54,937 --> 00:16:58,697 Speaker 1: Western world. America is particularly in trouble. It seems to 305 00:16:58,737 --> 00:17:03,777 Speaker 1: me in terms of institutional capture. I think that if 306 00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:07,297 Speaker 1: we had been talking Buck maybe ten years ago even, 307 00:17:08,537 --> 00:17:12,017 Speaker 1: we would have thought and other people on the American 308 00:17:12,137 --> 00:17:15,977 Speaker 1: right would have thought, that we had institutions still on 309 00:17:16,017 --> 00:17:19,297 Speaker 1: our side, you know. I think we would have thought 310 00:17:19,377 --> 00:17:22,777 Speaker 1: that the military, for instance, was obviously on our side. 311 00:17:22,817 --> 00:17:26,297 Speaker 1: And that's not to deny that the common soldier, as 312 00:17:26,337 --> 00:17:29,217 Speaker 1: it were, is, but the top ranks of the military 313 00:17:29,337 --> 00:17:31,497 Speaker 1: or on our side. I'm not sure if people feel 314 00:17:31,537 --> 00:17:35,657 Speaker 1: that so much anymore. The intelligence agencies. Ten years ago, 315 00:17:35,657 --> 00:17:38,377 Speaker 1: I think we would have been talking about the CIA, FBI, NSA, 316 00:17:38,497 --> 00:17:40,417 Speaker 1: and I think the most conservatives would have said, well, yeah, 317 00:17:40,497 --> 00:17:43,297 Speaker 1: either our guy. Of course, they want to keep America safe. 318 00:17:43,377 --> 00:17:45,257 Speaker 1: You know, guy, I just want to jump in. I 319 00:17:45,297 --> 00:17:47,057 Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to interpret train of thought. 320 00:17:47,097 --> 00:17:49,537 Speaker 1: Just to tell you though, that I was just talking 321 00:17:49,537 --> 00:17:51,857 Speaker 1: to some CIA friends who are who have gotten out 322 00:17:51,897 --> 00:17:54,297 Speaker 1: recently or are about to get out, and we all 323 00:17:54,377 --> 00:17:58,057 Speaker 1: bemoaned how in the early days of the GAT I mean, 324 00:17:58,137 --> 00:18:00,737 Speaker 1: Global War on Terror, it was how do we how 325 00:18:00,737 --> 00:18:03,177 Speaker 1: do we help find and then you know, sending the 326 00:18:03,217 --> 00:18:05,857 Speaker 1: seals it, how do we help find the bad guys? 327 00:18:06,057 --> 00:18:07,897 Speaker 1: Find bin Laden. You know, how do we do this? 328 00:18:07,977 --> 00:18:09,497 Speaker 1: And that was the mission. We showed up every day. 329 00:18:09,497 --> 00:18:11,217 Speaker 1: There was a mission, right I was in the counter 330 00:18:11,297 --> 00:18:15,617 Speaker 1: terrorism center of the Central Intelligence Agency, and it really wasn't. 331 00:18:15,657 --> 00:18:18,097 Speaker 1: And now they say, oh my gosh, you have no idea. 332 00:18:18,337 --> 00:18:21,417 Speaker 1: It's politics all the time. It's diversity and inclusion training, 333 00:18:21,417 --> 00:18:24,617 Speaker 1: it's why don't we have more transgender analysts, etc. But anyway, 334 00:18:24,697 --> 00:18:29,617 Speaker 1: keeping absolutely no. I mean, it's um and it seeps 335 00:18:29,657 --> 00:18:31,537 Speaker 1: through everywhere. I mean I wrote a bit of my 336 00:18:31,617 --> 00:18:34,137 Speaker 1: New York Post column about this last week. But look 337 00:18:34,177 --> 00:18:37,497 Speaker 1: at this, this encounter between the two Russian fighter jets 338 00:18:37,497 --> 00:18:39,497 Speaker 1: and an American drone over the Black Sea and what 339 00:18:39,617 --> 00:18:42,737 Speaker 1: was international airspace, so they have no right to knock 340 00:18:42,777 --> 00:18:46,417 Speaker 1: down the American drone. But um. The Biden administration and 341 00:18:46,577 --> 00:18:50,897 Speaker 1: the Pentagon, in its response, criticize the Russians for downing 342 00:18:50,897 --> 00:18:59,177 Speaker 1: the drone in a quote environmentally unsafe manner. I mean, 343 00:18:59,577 --> 00:19:02,937 Speaker 1: m yeah, that's one of the problems of war. Again, 344 00:19:02,977 --> 00:19:05,217 Speaker 1: there may have been a sea or down below that 345 00:19:05,257 --> 00:19:11,297 Speaker 1: got sprayed with some oil from the Yeah, it's very sad, 346 00:19:12,217 --> 00:19:16,497 Speaker 1: very sad story. But not maybe the business of the world. 347 00:19:16,497 --> 00:19:20,337 Speaker 1: Wildlife fun not the business of the Pentagon not at all. 348 00:19:20,657 --> 00:19:23,697 Speaker 1: And the fact that the fact that we just time 349 00:19:23,737 --> 00:19:28,297 Speaker 1: and again seem you know, formally very serious institutions that 350 00:19:28,377 --> 00:19:32,817 Speaker 1: we needed, and I would argue we need coming out 351 00:19:32,817 --> 00:19:35,337 Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff on a routine basis is 352 00:19:35,377 --> 00:19:38,017 Speaker 1: I think one of the most distressing things in our time. 353 00:19:38,217 --> 00:19:40,937 Speaker 1: It happened obviously in the universities a long time ago. 354 00:19:40,937 --> 00:19:43,937 Speaker 1: I cited Alan Bloom earlier. We've known this problem for 355 00:19:43,937 --> 00:19:47,097 Speaker 1: forty years and more, and it's only got worse. You know, 356 00:19:47,817 --> 00:19:50,897 Speaker 1: Conservatives have got better and better at diagnosing the problem, 357 00:19:51,217 --> 00:19:53,257 Speaker 1: and all the time the problem has got worse. You know, 358 00:19:53,297 --> 00:19:56,217 Speaker 1: I want to tell you something I like to admit 359 00:19:56,337 --> 00:19:59,617 Speaker 1: when I think it's important for self reflection, and you know, 360 00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:01,857 Speaker 1: it sort of sharpens your ability to see things coming 361 00:20:02,097 --> 00:20:03,857 Speaker 1: when you didn't see something coming that you should have. 362 00:20:04,257 --> 00:20:06,977 Speaker 1: I had because I left the CIA in twenty eleven 363 00:20:07,457 --> 00:20:10,257 Speaker 1: and I friends inside, I'd known the intel community. He 364 00:20:10,297 --> 00:20:12,137 Speaker 1: was just progressively getting First of all, I went through 365 00:20:12,177 --> 00:20:14,977 Speaker 1: eight years of the Obama administration, but even beyond that, 366 00:20:15,097 --> 00:20:17,977 Speaker 1: it just more of the whatever happens in the corporate 367 00:20:17,977 --> 00:20:20,377 Speaker 1: world people need to understand is reflected very much in 368 00:20:20,377 --> 00:20:22,817 Speaker 1: the Federal Guard. The federal government's basically a massive corporation. 369 00:20:22,897 --> 00:20:26,057 Speaker 1: That's how it operates as an employer, so all the 370 00:20:26,137 --> 00:20:29,417 Speaker 1: same seminars and training. And actually it's probably worse at 371 00:20:29,457 --> 00:20:31,977 Speaker 1: the government level because of a whole range of factors, 372 00:20:31,977 --> 00:20:33,737 Speaker 1: the kind of people that want to do federal service. 373 00:20:34,057 --> 00:20:36,737 Speaker 1: But anyway, again into that at length, the thing that 374 00:20:36,857 --> 00:20:41,137 Speaker 1: surprised me was the and we saw this during COVID 375 00:20:41,177 --> 00:20:44,577 Speaker 1: and a variety of factors, but the stalinism of the 376 00:20:44,617 --> 00:20:50,457 Speaker 1: medical community caught me completely off guard, and the unwillingness 377 00:20:50,497 --> 00:20:53,857 Speaker 1: of people to say this is madness. I am an MD, 378 00:20:54,417 --> 00:20:56,497 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you guys, this is crazy, they would 379 00:20:56,497 --> 00:21:01,217 Speaker 1: tell me privately. Not very many. Yes, I think that's 380 00:21:02,297 --> 00:21:06,697 Speaker 1: that's the last magisterium to have fallen is the medical 381 00:21:06,737 --> 00:21:13,537 Speaker 1: community and medical science. I've written this before, but in 382 00:21:13,697 --> 00:21:17,657 Speaker 1: my view, one of the last authorities I was willing 383 00:21:17,697 --> 00:21:20,897 Speaker 1: to hear from, actually willing to hear from and follow 384 00:21:20,977 --> 00:21:25,417 Speaker 1: through on their advice, was scientific our community, Yeah, your 385 00:21:25,497 --> 00:21:28,137 Speaker 1: doctor and so on. And I think that a lot 386 00:21:28,177 --> 00:21:31,377 Speaker 1: of us had a moment where we were actually, Okay, 387 00:21:31,417 --> 00:21:33,857 Speaker 1: that one's gone as well. It was when the medical 388 00:21:33,937 --> 00:21:40,177 Speaker 1: journals started publishing BLM stuff. It was when two thousand 389 00:21:40,297 --> 00:21:43,537 Speaker 1: health professionals signed that letter. I think in the lansid 390 00:21:43,577 --> 00:21:46,617 Speaker 1: if I remember rightly after the death of George Floyd, 391 00:21:47,177 --> 00:21:50,137 Speaker 1: having spent months telling us to stay inside our houses 392 00:21:50,177 --> 00:21:55,057 Speaker 1: and not leave our houses, suddenly saying actually, racism is 393 00:21:55,137 --> 00:21:57,977 Speaker 1: a bigger public health crisis, and therefore you should all 394 00:21:57,977 --> 00:22:00,297 Speaker 1: come out on the streets and gather by the millions 395 00:22:00,617 --> 00:22:04,057 Speaker 1: and mass march. For a lot of us, that was 396 00:22:04,097 --> 00:22:06,457 Speaker 1: one of the moments where we go, you know, I 397 00:22:06,497 --> 00:22:10,017 Speaker 1: don't believe you guys anymore. I don't think you are 398 00:22:10,097 --> 00:22:13,617 Speaker 1: are these non political a political actors. I think you've 399 00:22:13,617 --> 00:22:19,737 Speaker 1: become highly political actors alike almost everyone else. And I 400 00:22:19,777 --> 00:22:22,217 Speaker 1: think all of us saw something fall away in our 401 00:22:22,297 --> 00:22:25,777 Speaker 1: trust in recent years, and that's not something I particularly celebrate. 402 00:22:25,817 --> 00:22:29,217 Speaker 1: I think that conservatives should should be on the side 403 00:22:29,217 --> 00:22:33,337 Speaker 1: of building up trust in institutions. It's a very strange 404 00:22:33,417 --> 00:22:36,297 Speaker 1: thing in our time that it's conservatives who have lost 405 00:22:36,377 --> 00:22:39,537 Speaker 1: trust in institutions and are now wondering what we do. 406 00:22:40,377 --> 00:22:43,617 Speaker 1: And the answer of what to do is not straightforward, 407 00:22:43,657 --> 00:22:46,737 Speaker 1: but broadly speaking, it's the old thing that it gathers 408 00:22:46,737 --> 00:22:50,577 Speaker 1: around either building new institutions or trying to rescue the 409 00:22:50,577 --> 00:22:54,577 Speaker 1: ones that have fallen into the bad. Neither of these 410 00:22:54,577 --> 00:22:58,897 Speaker 1: are cheap or easy. And I think it also showed 411 00:22:58,937 --> 00:23:04,297 Speaker 1: itself with we'd known, you know, the elon Mosque Twitter situation, 412 00:23:04,377 --> 00:23:06,897 Speaker 1: where you finally got to look inside at the guts 413 00:23:06,897 --> 00:23:08,817 Speaker 1: of what was going on there. You and I and 414 00:23:08,857 --> 00:23:11,097 Speaker 1: many others had known for your but for people who 415 00:23:11,097 --> 00:23:15,657 Speaker 1: weren't really operating on social media platforms as part of 416 00:23:15,697 --> 00:23:18,577 Speaker 1: their profession, right, as part of their ability to you know, 417 00:23:18,777 --> 00:23:21,137 Speaker 1: this was a big deal. The President of the United States, 418 00:23:21,297 --> 00:23:24,017 Speaker 1: when it was Donald Trump, for four years used Twitter 419 00:23:24,097 --> 00:23:27,697 Speaker 1: as as among his most consistent and effective tools of communication, right. 420 00:23:27,697 --> 00:23:30,417 Speaker 1: I mean, I still joke around about the one day 421 00:23:30,457 --> 00:23:32,657 Speaker 1: I woke up and I think Trump had retweeted six 422 00:23:32,657 --> 00:23:35,937 Speaker 1: of my tweets in a row, because my timeline was, 423 00:23:36,057 --> 00:23:38,257 Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, the guy who was 424 00:23:38,377 --> 00:23:42,057 Speaker 1: playing the hotdog vendor from Baywatch in nineteen ninety two 425 00:23:42,137 --> 00:23:44,497 Speaker 1: was like cursing me out. I'm like, what's what's going 426 00:23:44,537 --> 00:23:46,937 Speaker 1: on here? Like it just was a crazy, you know, 427 00:23:46,977 --> 00:23:49,977 Speaker 1: a crazy moment because it was such a mass communication 428 00:23:50,857 --> 00:23:53,537 Speaker 1: mass communication platform at that time for Trump and for 429 00:23:53,577 --> 00:23:56,257 Speaker 1: so many others, But I think it's good for everyone 430 00:23:56,297 --> 00:23:58,897 Speaker 1: to see that the people that were operating these again 431 00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:01,497 Speaker 1: pre pre elon and it's the same thing at Facebook. 432 00:24:01,537 --> 00:24:04,497 Speaker 1: It's probably worse even at YouTube because YouTube always has 433 00:24:04,537 --> 00:24:07,737 Speaker 1: Google above it and like alphabet, and they're basically telling 434 00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:09,817 Speaker 1: everybody we're the most powerful company in the world. Were 435 00:24:09,857 --> 00:24:12,537 Speaker 1: a virtual printing press for money, what are you going 436 00:24:12,577 --> 00:24:15,177 Speaker 1: to do to us? So they don't even care. At least, 437 00:24:15,257 --> 00:24:18,697 Speaker 1: you know, Twitter wasn't running an effective business. Google YouTube 438 00:24:18,737 --> 00:24:20,937 Speaker 1: there's still a printing press for money. But I think 439 00:24:20,977 --> 00:24:23,297 Speaker 1: it's important for people to see that the most powerful 440 00:24:23,417 --> 00:24:29,137 Speaker 1: tools of information dissemination and history were tools of straight 441 00:24:29,217 --> 00:24:33,497 Speaker 1: up censorship and authoritarianism and partisanships. Yeah, and people saw 442 00:24:33,537 --> 00:24:37,977 Speaker 1: this one by one. And you know, I said during 443 00:24:38,097 --> 00:24:41,657 Speaker 1: the COVID period with the BLM staff doting us going 444 00:24:41,697 --> 00:24:45,177 Speaker 1: on the first the first rule of the period, if 445 00:24:45,617 --> 00:24:47,697 Speaker 1: one had one, was a very simple one, which is 446 00:24:47,737 --> 00:24:52,377 Speaker 1: don't go mad. Not everyone has followed this piece of 447 00:24:52,417 --> 00:24:57,577 Speaker 1: advice on any side, but broadly speaking, you had to 448 00:24:57,577 --> 00:24:59,337 Speaker 1: try to not go mad. Why were so many people 449 00:24:59,417 --> 00:25:02,257 Speaker 1: going mad because they were being force fed things that 450 00:25:02,337 --> 00:25:05,217 Speaker 1: weren't true and which they sensed to be untrue. But 451 00:25:05,257 --> 00:25:09,577 Speaker 1: they didn't know what was going on. Suddenly get you 452 00:25:09,657 --> 00:25:14,217 Speaker 1: just get told all of these untrue things about things that, 453 00:25:14,257 --> 00:25:17,057 Speaker 1: as I say, everyone new till yesterday. Or let me 454 00:25:17,137 --> 00:25:20,017 Speaker 1: let me do it this way. Go back twenty years. 455 00:25:19,817 --> 00:25:22,297 Speaker 1: Let's let's pretend we're at the beginning of the millennium 456 00:25:22,337 --> 00:25:25,977 Speaker 1: where we've got the Internet. We've got this amazing tool 457 00:25:26,137 --> 00:25:33,577 Speaker 1: for social discovery form into personal discovery of learning of 458 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:38,777 Speaker 1: almost every book is free online, all news pretty much. 459 00:25:38,817 --> 00:25:40,737 Speaker 1: You just feel like it's amazing. You can you can 460 00:25:40,737 --> 00:25:42,537 Speaker 1: speak to anyone right on the other side of the world, 461 00:25:42,657 --> 00:25:46,137 Speaker 1: like what good couldn't be done with this sort of technology. 462 00:25:46,497 --> 00:25:49,817 Speaker 1: You fast forward to twenty twenty three, and we don't 463 00:25:49,817 --> 00:25:51,337 Speaker 1: know what a woman is, and we don't know when 464 00:25:51,337 --> 00:25:55,177 Speaker 1: America was founded. In other words, we've got stupider. The 465 00:25:55,297 --> 00:25:58,457 Speaker 1: tools for mass communication and learning and the dissemination of 466 00:25:58,537 --> 00:26:01,977 Speaker 1: ideas have made us dumber than we used to be. 467 00:26:02,577 --> 00:26:06,057 Speaker 1: And there's a societal cost to that. And my hope 468 00:26:06,217 --> 00:26:09,977 Speaker 1: is that we're starting to see that cost rather clear. 469 00:26:10,577 --> 00:26:14,617 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of things like the claps of SVB and 470 00:26:15,097 --> 00:26:20,777 Speaker 1: signature and others now credits suits, Um, these were unthinkable 471 00:26:20,817 --> 00:26:23,617 Speaker 1: collapses only a while ago, But you know they're not. 472 00:26:23,697 --> 00:26:26,017 Speaker 1: It's not the only explanation for the claps. But look 473 00:26:26,017 --> 00:26:29,017 Speaker 1: at what these these banks were doing. Look at it 474 00:26:29,417 --> 00:26:34,017 Speaker 1: at Silicon Valley Banks loan promises. It's promised that it 475 00:26:34,057 --> 00:26:36,697 Speaker 1: was going to loan more to minorities to get a 476 00:26:36,777 --> 00:26:39,497 Speaker 1: more equitable America. At the end of it, I mean, 477 00:26:39,497 --> 00:26:44,177 Speaker 1: anyone recouires that from the two thousand and eight crisis, Um, 478 00:26:44,297 --> 00:26:46,937 Speaker 1: the idea that that Silicon Valley Bank had only one 479 00:26:47,017 --> 00:26:50,537 Speaker 1: member of its board who was competent in finance, and 480 00:26:50,577 --> 00:26:55,537 Speaker 1: that the others were democratic donors and appointees. Um. You know, 481 00:26:55,617 --> 00:27:00,057 Speaker 1: I joked in I think in the madness of crowds 482 00:27:00,057 --> 00:27:06,617 Speaker 1: that some day the bridges will fall down, um, and 483 00:27:07,897 --> 00:27:12,737 Speaker 1: that's when we'll realize we don't have time for this rubbish. 484 00:27:12,777 --> 00:27:15,217 Speaker 1: Since then, I've come to the belief that if the 485 00:27:15,257 --> 00:27:18,577 Speaker 1: bridges do fall down, it'll be because of systemic racism. 486 00:27:19,137 --> 00:27:21,897 Speaker 1: But the bridges are still up, but the banks are not. 487 00:27:22,457 --> 00:27:25,497 Speaker 1: The banks are falling and turn out to be, among 488 00:27:25,537 --> 00:27:27,897 Speaker 1: other things, falling because they haven't had their eye on 489 00:27:27,937 --> 00:27:31,897 Speaker 1: the ball. They've been playing this stupid, unwinnable game of 490 00:27:31,937 --> 00:27:38,257 Speaker 1: the era about diversity inclusion and equity and what's it 491 00:27:38,337 --> 00:27:41,497 Speaker 1: brought them? They pretended, like everyone else, Like everyone in 492 00:27:41,497 --> 00:27:45,097 Speaker 1: the American education system, from Randy Weingarten down or Randy 493 00:27:45,137 --> 00:27:47,177 Speaker 1: Weingarten up, whatever way you like to think of it, 494 00:27:47,977 --> 00:27:49,897 Speaker 1: they've pretended the same thing, which is that if you 495 00:27:49,977 --> 00:27:53,177 Speaker 1: do the diversity inclusion equity thing, the other side is 496 00:27:53,377 --> 00:27:58,777 Speaker 1: even better. It's much better, infinitely better, richer, fairer, everything's better. 497 00:27:59,497 --> 00:28:04,417 Speaker 1: Everywhere you try this, everything becomes worse. Yes, it does. 498 00:28:04,457 --> 00:28:06,697 Speaker 1: No one want to reflect on that. And can I 499 00:28:06,737 --> 00:28:09,217 Speaker 1: tell you that one thing that I saw as a 500 00:28:09,217 --> 00:28:13,137 Speaker 1: New Yorker, former New Yorker now Douglas so I got 501 00:28:13,137 --> 00:28:16,577 Speaker 1: to put the pressure on you their chief. But as 502 00:28:16,657 --> 00:28:18,817 Speaker 1: a as a New Yorker, one thing that I saw 503 00:28:19,057 --> 00:28:21,657 Speaker 1: that really was troubling, and it was it wasn't just COVID, 504 00:28:21,657 --> 00:28:25,537 Speaker 1: it was that whole that whole series of events where 505 00:28:25,577 --> 00:28:30,577 Speaker 1: it was COVID and then the you know, BLM riots 506 00:28:30,577 --> 00:28:33,537 Speaker 1: in the streets, and then the rising crime and the 507 00:28:33,577 --> 00:28:36,577 Speaker 1: decay and the problems that were happening in cities, name 508 00:28:36,577 --> 00:28:38,897 Speaker 1: a major city had happened basically everywhere in the country, 509 00:28:38,897 --> 00:28:41,417 Speaker 1: with actually exception of a few big cities in Florida, 510 00:28:41,417 --> 00:28:44,657 Speaker 1: maybe a few other places. And what I realized was 511 00:28:44,937 --> 00:28:50,097 Speaker 1: that the the Democrat response to this wasn't oh my gosh, 512 00:28:50,097 --> 00:28:53,457 Speaker 1: what have we done. We're crazy, We're tearing down what 513 00:28:53,497 --> 00:28:55,057 Speaker 1: we have here is in the case of New York, 514 00:28:55,097 --> 00:28:58,737 Speaker 1: I mean, San Francisco is like it should be paradise, right, 515 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:00,577 Speaker 1: I mean, you know Los Angeles, these are places that 516 00:29:00,617 --> 00:29:03,057 Speaker 1: should just be and they have been in the past. 517 00:29:03,097 --> 00:29:05,137 Speaker 1: It's not like some theory. I mean, I talk about 518 00:29:05,137 --> 00:29:06,657 Speaker 1: how he used to watch Full House and I wanted 519 00:29:06,697 --> 00:29:08,337 Speaker 1: to live in a big house in San Francisco when 520 00:29:08,337 --> 00:29:09,377 Speaker 1: I was a kid, like all that. I don't know 521 00:29:09,377 --> 00:29:11,057 Speaker 1: if you know the show you're British, but you know 522 00:29:11,137 --> 00:29:13,937 Speaker 1: Full House is a big show and it's like our 523 00:29:13,977 --> 00:29:16,937 Speaker 1: Faulty Towers, but with kids instead of adult and so 524 00:29:17,217 --> 00:29:20,297 Speaker 1: you know, now they've ruined these places. But the response, 525 00:29:20,337 --> 00:29:22,497 Speaker 1: and I know, I'm kind of getting a going a 526 00:29:22,577 --> 00:29:25,897 Speaker 1: roundabout way, but the response wasn't oh my god, we 527 00:29:25,977 --> 00:29:27,537 Speaker 1: got to fix this right away. It was from a 528 00:29:27,577 --> 00:29:30,417 Speaker 1: lot of people, this is the price we pay. This 529 00:29:30,497 --> 00:29:35,177 Speaker 1: is this a more equitable society requires this suffering and degradation. Yes, 530 00:29:35,737 --> 00:29:38,457 Speaker 1: you can actually occasionally in private, get them to admit 531 00:29:38,497 --> 00:29:40,857 Speaker 1: that that's their belief, is that there's a period of 532 00:29:40,897 --> 00:29:47,617 Speaker 1: pain before the arrival of Nirvana. So that for instance, 533 00:29:48,137 --> 00:29:50,257 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a story I've been following quite closely 534 00:29:50,297 --> 00:29:54,017 Speaker 1: here in New York about the migrant buses that arrive 535 00:29:54,097 --> 00:29:56,417 Speaker 1: in New York, and the New York authorities don't know 536 00:29:56,457 --> 00:29:58,057 Speaker 1: what to do with the migrants, and they put them 537 00:29:58,137 --> 00:30:00,897 Speaker 1: up in hotels, and in the migrants do generally trash 538 00:30:00,937 --> 00:30:04,457 Speaker 1: the hotels or at least make them into not so 539 00:30:04,577 --> 00:30:08,657 Speaker 1: luxurious places as they were before. And whenever you follow 540 00:30:08,657 --> 00:30:10,537 Speaker 1: this story, and by the way, New York is struggling 541 00:30:10,537 --> 00:30:13,097 Speaker 1: with a few thousand migrants, you know, I mean, now 542 00:30:13,097 --> 00:30:16,497 Speaker 1: it's it's like forty thousand, right, something like that. Forty thousand, Yeah, 543 00:30:17,257 --> 00:30:22,337 Speaker 1: that's that's only I mean, there's a number of days 544 00:30:22,457 --> 00:30:26,377 Speaker 1: of arrival into Texas across the southern border. So you know, 545 00:30:26,417 --> 00:30:28,617 Speaker 1: if New York can't cope with a few days of 546 00:30:29,417 --> 00:30:33,377 Speaker 1: illegal movement into Texas or Arizona, then you know what, 547 00:30:33,697 --> 00:30:36,097 Speaker 1: then there must be a problem, mustn't there? Guys? You know? 548 00:30:37,657 --> 00:30:39,737 Speaker 1: But but here's the thing about about that is that 549 00:30:39,857 --> 00:30:44,537 Speaker 1: they they recognize it's a problem. They recognize that the 550 00:30:44,617 --> 00:30:47,617 Speaker 1: problem is going to grow and grow, and they don't 551 00:30:48,217 --> 00:30:51,577 Speaker 1: come to any conclusions about it, such as close the 552 00:30:51,617 --> 00:30:54,617 Speaker 1: border or send people back when they come illegally. Um, 553 00:30:55,617 --> 00:30:59,697 Speaker 1: it's the same with homelessness issue. The homelessness can get 554 00:30:59,737 --> 00:31:02,857 Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. New York's bad, But as 555 00:31:02,857 --> 00:31:08,657 Speaker 1: you say, Los Angeles, San Francisco, places like Portland, places 556 00:31:08,657 --> 00:31:11,817 Speaker 1: like Seattle, these are once very beautiful and noble cities, 557 00:31:11,817 --> 00:31:15,977 Speaker 1: and I've seen them in that guise not anymore. And 558 00:31:16,057 --> 00:31:20,057 Speaker 1: again in private, you can you can sometimes get the 559 00:31:20,457 --> 00:31:22,937 Speaker 1: advocates of this d I stuff to say, look, of 560 00:31:22,977 --> 00:31:26,777 Speaker 1: course there's going to be this churn for a period, 561 00:31:27,617 --> 00:31:31,377 Speaker 1: but it's worth it. And my argument is is my 562 00:31:31,657 --> 00:31:34,657 Speaker 1: repast is always as follows. Show me the one place 563 00:31:34,697 --> 00:31:38,417 Speaker 1: this has worked, and let's be certain it worked for 564 00:31:38,457 --> 00:31:42,377 Speaker 1: this reason before we roll out the same policy everywhere. 565 00:31:43,337 --> 00:31:45,817 Speaker 1: You know, they can't point to it. I wish there 566 00:31:45,937 --> 00:31:51,057 Speaker 1: was more more effort spent for people in this country 567 00:31:51,097 --> 00:31:53,857 Speaker 1: to understand the recent history. You know, you talk about 568 00:31:53,897 --> 00:31:55,977 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, you talk about something which you know, 569 00:31:56,017 --> 00:31:57,857 Speaker 1: I find the Soviet Union fascinating. I know you do 570 00:31:58,297 --> 00:32:00,817 Speaker 1: the history of it, and how how could that have happened. 571 00:32:00,817 --> 00:32:04,697 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a remarkable intellectual, philosophical, political, and 572 00:32:04,777 --> 00:32:08,337 Speaker 1: historical exercise to see how a place could fall into 573 00:32:08,417 --> 00:32:11,137 Speaker 1: that kind of of of tyranny and spread around the 574 00:32:11,177 --> 00:32:14,417 Speaker 1: world in so many ways. But with the case of Venezuela, 575 00:32:14,617 --> 00:32:18,057 Speaker 1: especially again being down tore in South Florida, people need 576 00:32:18,097 --> 00:32:23,337 Speaker 1: to understand that what really happened in Venezuela was social justice. 577 00:32:23,577 --> 00:32:26,657 Speaker 1: Rabble Rousers took over the country promising that they were 578 00:32:26,657 --> 00:32:28,857 Speaker 1: going to give a lot of stuff to people for free, 579 00:32:29,417 --> 00:32:31,657 Speaker 1: and they actually just enriched themselves. And this is what 580 00:32:31,737 --> 00:32:34,177 Speaker 1: always Communists are always rich, right, meaning the top of 581 00:32:34,177 --> 00:32:36,577 Speaker 1: the you know, the top of the socialist hierarchy, they're 582 00:32:36,577 --> 00:32:39,217 Speaker 1: always fine, they always do great, and they impoverished and 583 00:32:39,217 --> 00:32:43,377 Speaker 1: destroyed a beautiful country that was. And all the Venezuelans 584 00:32:43,377 --> 00:32:45,217 Speaker 1: you meet here, all of them talk about this, and 585 00:32:45,217 --> 00:32:47,377 Speaker 1: it somehow knows doesn't get any you know. I would 586 00:32:47,377 --> 00:32:51,937 Speaker 1: love to hear AOC explain how how taking the Venezuela 587 00:32:51,977 --> 00:32:54,777 Speaker 1: approach to anything a city, of state, or even all 588 00:32:54,817 --> 00:32:57,377 Speaker 1: of America would be a good idea. I would love 589 00:32:57,377 --> 00:33:02,177 Speaker 1: to hear that explota his very quickly. I mean, it's 590 00:33:02,217 --> 00:33:04,897 Speaker 1: sometimes regarded now as a cliche to quote George Orwell, 591 00:33:04,977 --> 00:33:08,177 Speaker 1: but it's also often impossible not to. It's a great 592 00:33:08,217 --> 00:33:10,817 Speaker 1: story of George Orwell arguing with us Lanists in the 593 00:33:10,897 --> 00:33:15,577 Speaker 1: forties in England, and George Orwell gets him to admit that, 594 00:33:15,617 --> 00:33:19,617 Speaker 1: you know, there's been certain excesses and the stylist movement, 595 00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:24,617 Speaker 1: and that maybe the famines in Ukraine, you know, weren't ideal, 596 00:33:24,697 --> 00:33:28,017 Speaker 1: and eventually he considered the Communists. A Stalinist conceives this. 597 00:33:29,137 --> 00:33:32,257 Speaker 1: He eventually conceives the show Trials of thirty seven, the 598 00:33:32,297 --> 00:33:37,497 Speaker 1: mass ridiculous show trials which led to so many deaths 599 00:33:37,497 --> 00:33:40,337 Speaker 1: and murders, and the goolag. He gets this guy to 600 00:33:40,377 --> 00:33:43,137 Speaker 1: admit to a lot of this, and eventually the Stalinist 601 00:33:43,177 --> 00:33:45,497 Speaker 1: falls back on that worst defense of all. He says, 602 00:33:45,537 --> 00:33:51,417 Speaker 1: you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, and Orwell replied, 603 00:33:52,017 --> 00:33:59,977 Speaker 1: where's the omelet? The same question is begging from Venezuela, 604 00:34:00,377 --> 00:34:05,457 Speaker 1: from every country which has tried actual socialism, where's your omelet? 605 00:34:05,537 --> 00:34:07,257 Speaker 1: At the end of this, because we only see a 606 00:34:07,297 --> 00:34:11,617 Speaker 1: mass of bloody broken eggs among much else, that's all 607 00:34:11,657 --> 00:34:14,977 Speaker 1: we can see. Venezuela. To my Venezuelan friends can't return. 608 00:34:15,137 --> 00:34:17,377 Speaker 1: Most of them, the ones who have left and settled 609 00:34:17,417 --> 00:34:20,817 Speaker 1: elsewhere illegally, they can't return for sheer safety reasons to 610 00:34:20,897 --> 00:34:26,697 Speaker 1: their country of birth. This happened in our lifetimes. This 611 00:34:26,817 --> 00:34:29,497 Speaker 1: happened in our lifetimes, and it was the choice. This 612 00:34:29,617 --> 00:34:33,857 Speaker 1: is the crucial thing. This was a choice of politicians 613 00:34:33,897 --> 00:34:38,497 Speaker 1: who were put there by people who were badly, badly informed. 614 00:34:38,577 --> 00:34:41,297 Speaker 1: To put it in its mildest, Venezuela has the same 615 00:34:41,417 --> 00:34:44,417 Speaker 1: energy reserves as Norway. Norway has one of the biggest 616 00:34:44,457 --> 00:34:46,577 Speaker 1: sovereign wealth funds in the world. There is a reason 617 00:34:46,617 --> 00:34:49,657 Speaker 1: why Norway is Norway and Venezuela is Venezuela. And it's 618 00:34:49,657 --> 00:34:53,737 Speaker 1: because the Norwegians were more careful with their society. Yeah, 619 00:34:53,777 --> 00:34:56,897 Speaker 1: and if we don't learn from that more for us, 620 00:34:57,817 --> 00:34:59,737 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your tour Douglas in 621 00:34:59,777 --> 00:35:03,097 Speaker 1: Southern campuses to close us out in your second But first, 622 00:35:03,097 --> 00:35:07,937 Speaker 1: a word from Talta Towers Foundation. Tunalta Towers Foundation honors 623 00:35:07,977 --> 00:35:11,497 Speaker 1: America's heroes. 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So tell me how was it. What'd you see? Yeah, 645 00:36:17,017 --> 00:36:22,417 Speaker 1: I wasn't the Carolinas and Virginia, and one of the 646 00:36:22,457 --> 00:36:25,177 Speaker 1: highlights was speaking at the University of Virginia, in which 647 00:36:25,177 --> 00:36:26,697 Speaker 1: I've never been to for the first time. It's because 648 00:36:26,737 --> 00:36:31,977 Speaker 1: one of the great creations of Thomas Jefferson. I was 649 00:36:32,497 --> 00:36:36,897 Speaker 1: very struck by a number of things. One was the 650 00:36:37,257 --> 00:36:42,977 Speaker 1: extent to which America is just so confused about its 651 00:36:43,017 --> 00:36:48,377 Speaker 1: history and has been so badly misinformed about it. And 652 00:36:48,497 --> 00:36:52,737 Speaker 1: sometimes perhaps it takes an ostentatious outsider to point some 653 00:36:52,857 --> 00:36:56,777 Speaker 1: things out. But the way in which, for instance, at 654 00:36:56,897 --> 00:37:02,777 Speaker 1: UVA met so many people who genuinely have been brought 655 00:37:02,857 --> 00:37:06,017 Speaker 1: up to despise the founder of not only their country 656 00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:11,297 Speaker 1: but the institution that they're learning in. The inability to 657 00:37:11,337 --> 00:37:15,257 Speaker 1: get the past into a proper context, to get historical 658 00:37:15,337 --> 00:37:19,657 Speaker 1: figures into a proper context. The present is m that 659 00:37:19,897 --> 00:37:22,777 Speaker 1: is everywhere in America. That if if people from the 660 00:37:22,817 --> 00:37:25,977 Speaker 1: past happen not to share our particular views in twenty 661 00:37:26,017 --> 00:37:28,697 Speaker 1: twenty three of them, we must stand as judge, jury, 662 00:37:28,737 --> 00:37:33,177 Speaker 1: and executioner over them. This is wildly ahistorical, and it's 663 00:37:33,217 --> 00:37:36,337 Speaker 1: also presumptuous. I think, but I found a lot of 664 00:37:36,377 --> 00:37:39,857 Speaker 1: that was going on. And another thing I found was 665 00:37:39,897 --> 00:37:43,457 Speaker 1: the disturbing timidity of a lot of students. There are 666 00:37:43,497 --> 00:37:46,817 Speaker 1: so many. There's no shortage of smart students in America, 667 00:37:47,097 --> 00:37:51,777 Speaker 1: you know, far from it. But there is a timidity 668 00:37:51,817 --> 00:37:56,617 Speaker 1: which has crept in because of the danger effectively of 669 00:37:56,817 --> 00:38:00,057 Speaker 1: putting out there things which I use the phrase again, 670 00:38:00,097 --> 00:38:04,057 Speaker 1: but things which we all knew until yesterday. If you 671 00:38:04,097 --> 00:38:08,537 Speaker 1: were to deny the lived experience of a fellow student 672 00:38:08,617 --> 00:38:12,497 Speaker 1: on campus, I hate these terms, like lived experience. They're 673 00:38:12,537 --> 00:38:15,097 Speaker 1: more Marxist nonsense. I mean, what other type of experience 674 00:38:15,177 --> 00:38:17,737 Speaker 1: is there than a lived experience? I mean, I mean 675 00:38:17,737 --> 00:38:19,577 Speaker 1: there are a manage, right, it's to give it that 676 00:38:19,857 --> 00:38:24,297 Speaker 1: pseudo scientific Marxist you know, yeah, shine facade over it, 677 00:38:24,377 --> 00:38:29,457 Speaker 1: your lived experience as opposed to your experience, Yes, exactly, 678 00:38:29,537 --> 00:38:32,857 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's more of the sort of social 679 00:38:32,897 --> 00:38:36,697 Speaker 1: justice bunkum. But but yeah, you know, if you were 680 00:38:36,737 --> 00:38:39,617 Speaker 1: to deny the you know, or contradict the lived experience 681 00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:44,817 Speaker 1: of a fellow student by doing something quite straightforward like saying, well, 682 00:38:44,857 --> 00:38:47,417 Speaker 1: you know, okay, we had slavery in America. Well everyone 683 00:38:47,457 --> 00:38:52,377 Speaker 1: had slavery. I mean if you were to take that attitude, 684 00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:55,257 Speaker 1: which is a perfect reasonable attitude to take, you'd have 685 00:38:55,297 --> 00:38:58,737 Speaker 1: to be a sort of camacaze of a student to 686 00:38:58,817 --> 00:39:03,857 Speaker 1: do such a thing to say, well, you know, the 687 00:39:03,897 --> 00:39:06,857 Speaker 1: African states that were slaving at the same time as 688 00:39:06,897 --> 00:39:11,017 Speaker 1: America was slaving didn't stop when America stopped. They kept slaving. 689 00:39:11,857 --> 00:39:13,617 Speaker 1: I was in Boston the other day and I went 690 00:39:13,857 --> 00:39:16,337 Speaker 1: to the Boston Fine Arts Museum after speaking to some 691 00:39:16,377 --> 00:39:22,417 Speaker 1: friends at Harvard and MIT, and there were some Benin bronzes, 692 00:39:22,617 --> 00:39:24,657 Speaker 1: which have become one of those corners of histories, have 693 00:39:24,777 --> 00:39:27,697 Speaker 1: become highly controversial. I joked to my friend, let's go 694 00:39:27,737 --> 00:39:30,617 Speaker 1: and see the Benin bronzes whilst they're still here in Boston, 695 00:39:31,217 --> 00:39:33,817 Speaker 1: because they'll probably be sent back at some point. There's 696 00:39:33,817 --> 00:39:35,577 Speaker 1: a big move for this sort of thing. And it 697 00:39:35,657 --> 00:39:37,377 Speaker 1: was so funny because I said to this friend, it's 698 00:39:37,457 --> 00:39:40,577 Speaker 1: so interesting that whatever institution you go to, whether it's 699 00:39:40,577 --> 00:39:43,377 Speaker 1: in London or in Washington or in Boston, and you 700 00:39:44,017 --> 00:39:47,857 Speaker 1: see these sort of historic exhibitions, they'll tell you all 701 00:39:47,857 --> 00:39:50,737 Speaker 1: about the slavery of the American past. They will not 702 00:39:50,777 --> 00:39:54,977 Speaker 1: tell you that Benin was still slaving at the time 703 00:39:55,017 --> 00:39:58,297 Speaker 1: that the bronzes were being allegedly looted in the late 704 00:39:58,377 --> 00:40:03,537 Speaker 1: nineteen twentieth century. I think sort of things matter. Yeah, well, first, 705 00:40:03,657 --> 00:40:05,497 Speaker 1: you know, you might have seen I was stuck on 706 00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:11,337 Speaker 1: an airplane for like almost thirteen hours recently, um on 707 00:40:11,417 --> 00:40:13,697 Speaker 1: my honeymoons. I mean, it wasn't like tough duty. But 708 00:40:13,857 --> 00:40:15,777 Speaker 1: I had to find something to watch. So I watched 709 00:40:15,817 --> 00:40:19,977 Speaker 1: The Woman The Woman King, which is about um, a 710 00:40:20,537 --> 00:40:26,737 Speaker 1: tribe in Africa, UM that is actually notorious for being 711 00:40:26,777 --> 00:40:29,617 Speaker 1: a tribe that would enslave all these other tribes. And 712 00:40:29,617 --> 00:40:32,777 Speaker 1: of course in the movie, they're fighting against the evil 713 00:40:33,177 --> 00:40:36,697 Speaker 1: you know, white slavers and this other tribe that wants 714 00:40:36,697 --> 00:40:39,057 Speaker 1: to do the slave but they're actually not. But the 715 00:40:39,097 --> 00:40:42,217 Speaker 1: truth is they were actually doing the doing the enslaving. 716 00:40:42,417 --> 00:40:45,497 Speaker 1: And you get no sense of that whatsoever from the movie. 717 00:40:45,857 --> 00:40:48,697 Speaker 1: You get no sense that they were the most well 718 00:40:48,777 --> 00:40:53,457 Speaker 1: known slave raiding African tribe of other African tribes is 719 00:40:53,497 --> 00:40:57,977 Speaker 1: who the movie is based on. And no one. Don't 720 00:40:58,017 --> 00:41:01,537 Speaker 1: you long for art and movies and and things that 721 00:41:01,617 --> 00:41:05,977 Speaker 1: actually trusts us to deal with complexity? You know, I 722 00:41:06,017 --> 00:41:09,617 Speaker 1: mean I find it pretty hard to watch anything these 723 00:41:09,697 --> 00:41:13,497 Speaker 1: days that's just been made because of the sheer sort 724 00:41:13,497 --> 00:41:16,417 Speaker 1: of social indoctrination that's always going on. I just finished 725 00:41:16,457 --> 00:41:19,617 Speaker 1: The Last of Us. I wasn't sorry to see it end. 726 00:41:20,377 --> 00:41:24,377 Speaker 1: But this sort of apocalyptic drama, of course, inevitably tells 727 00:41:24,377 --> 00:41:27,417 Speaker 1: you that after a sort of apocalyptic virus in America, 728 00:41:28,417 --> 00:41:32,257 Speaker 1: the residual sort of camps of gun toting Americans will 729 00:41:32,297 --> 00:41:37,017 Speaker 1: be led mainly by women and mainly by women of color, 730 00:41:37,057 --> 00:41:39,937 Speaker 1: who tell all the men what to do. And well, 731 00:41:40,497 --> 00:41:43,297 Speaker 1: this is just sort of social indoctrination at this point, 732 00:41:43,297 --> 00:41:46,577 Speaker 1: and that's the same in almost all entertainment. I would 733 00:41:46,577 --> 00:41:50,817 Speaker 1: love to see a film that actually exposed the way 734 00:41:50,857 --> 00:41:53,377 Speaker 1: in which people like that the o bar of Benin 735 00:41:54,257 --> 00:41:58,057 Speaker 1: slaved into the twentieth century. I'd love to see something 736 00:41:58,057 --> 00:42:01,257 Speaker 1: on slavery in the world today. I've I've traveled enough 737 00:42:01,257 --> 00:42:03,217 Speaker 1: around Africa and the Middle East to meet people who 738 00:42:03,257 --> 00:42:06,497 Speaker 1: were born as slaves. It's an appalling thing. There are 739 00:42:06,497 --> 00:42:08,297 Speaker 1: more slaves in the world today than there were at 740 00:42:08,297 --> 00:42:10,777 Speaker 1: the height of the slave trade in the nineh sent tree. Um. 741 00:42:11,697 --> 00:42:14,817 Speaker 1: I'd love to see something about that made by Netflix 742 00:42:14,937 --> 00:42:18,377 Speaker 1: or Hollywood. I'd love them to show the pre Colombian 743 00:42:18,417 --> 00:42:22,897 Speaker 1: Americas as something other than this Edenic paradise, which was 744 00:42:22,897 --> 00:42:26,217 Speaker 1: then ruined by the white European coming in. Yeah, but 745 00:42:26,297 --> 00:42:28,057 Speaker 1: they seem to not be able to trust us with it. 746 00:42:28,097 --> 00:42:33,457 Speaker 1: We've just got to get this endless sort of um indoctrination. 747 00:42:33,617 --> 00:42:36,257 Speaker 1: That's essentially My problem with it is not just that 748 00:42:36,297 --> 00:42:40,177 Speaker 1: it's untrue, but that it's boring. Yes, well you would 749 00:42:40,217 --> 00:42:42,417 Speaker 1: find the woman king boring, by the way, very boring. 750 00:42:44,257 --> 00:42:46,217 Speaker 1: It is not it is not really worth and it's 751 00:42:46,257 --> 00:42:48,377 Speaker 1: all about It's like I said, it's all about Dahomi tribe. 752 00:42:49,057 --> 00:42:51,577 Speaker 1: And I think it's also interesting because there's there's the 753 00:42:51,657 --> 00:42:54,897 Speaker 1: agoge are the female This is why it's so interesting 754 00:42:54,897 --> 00:42:59,017 Speaker 1: to Hollywood, the female black warrior cast within the Dahomey 755 00:42:59,097 --> 00:43:01,737 Speaker 1: tribe and and you're led to believe it these are 756 00:43:01,737 --> 00:43:05,617 Speaker 1: basically like the female Spartans of West Africa. Well, they 757 00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:08,897 Speaker 1: don't deal within the movie. Is that a basically a 758 00:43:08,977 --> 00:43:11,897 Speaker 1: minor lay on. I mean they tried to fight against 759 00:43:11,937 --> 00:43:15,417 Speaker 1: I believe it was a French French colonial expansion and 760 00:43:15,497 --> 00:43:19,457 Speaker 1: like a minor French expeditionary force just completely annihilated them 761 00:43:19,497 --> 00:43:21,577 Speaker 1: off the battlefield. I mean, no surprise here, right, But 762 00:43:21,657 --> 00:43:24,697 Speaker 1: this notion of this this truly elite. No, they were 763 00:43:24,737 --> 00:43:28,897 Speaker 1: an elite force at the enslavement of fellow Africans, including 764 00:43:28,937 --> 00:43:31,657 Speaker 1: women and children. That's what they were, actually, that's what 765 00:43:31,737 --> 00:43:34,057 Speaker 1: that's what they were elited doing. Actually dealing with other 766 00:43:34,417 --> 00:43:37,377 Speaker 1: trained military was not you know, they are not the spartans. 767 00:43:37,417 --> 00:43:40,377 Speaker 1: But again, the history you're not allowed to talk about 768 00:43:40,417 --> 00:43:47,097 Speaker 1: the real history. Yeah, because because again of this stupid thing. 769 00:43:47,857 --> 00:43:50,457 Speaker 1: You watch any entertainment now, and there's always got to 770 00:43:50,457 --> 00:43:53,297 Speaker 1: be the strong woman narrative, because you've got to tell 771 00:43:53,377 --> 00:43:55,657 Speaker 1: young girls an American I think can hold you down. 772 00:43:56,057 --> 00:43:58,697 Speaker 1: You can be a tough gang leader if you want 773 00:43:58,697 --> 00:44:00,337 Speaker 1: to be. You can even be a bank robber if 774 00:44:00,337 --> 00:44:02,697 Speaker 1: you want to be. There's always got to be the 775 00:44:02,777 --> 00:44:06,537 Speaker 1: strong woman narrative. There's always got to be the overrepresentation 776 00:44:06,617 --> 00:44:10,817 Speaker 1: of gaze, there's always got to be the the ethnic 777 00:44:10,977 --> 00:44:14,217 Speaker 1: politics a bit into the mix. And as I say, 778 00:44:14,257 --> 00:44:17,177 Speaker 1: I mean there are a few things that have avoided 779 00:44:17,217 --> 00:44:20,417 Speaker 1: this White Lotus maybe is one of the few, but 780 00:44:20,977 --> 00:44:25,137 Speaker 1: most drama today you can predict from the get go 781 00:44:25,737 --> 00:44:27,697 Speaker 1: who is going to live, who is going to die, 782 00:44:28,177 --> 00:44:30,537 Speaker 1: who is going to be the leader, and who is 783 00:44:30,577 --> 00:44:32,737 Speaker 1: going to be the loser, And you can tell it 784 00:44:32,777 --> 00:44:37,057 Speaker 1: just by looking at frankly, what chromosomes you guess they 785 00:44:37,097 --> 00:44:39,737 Speaker 1: have and what their skin color is. It's very boring, 786 00:44:40,137 --> 00:44:42,337 Speaker 1: you know. I long for not being able to guess 787 00:44:42,937 --> 00:44:45,137 Speaker 1: so easily how the whole thing's going to pan out. 788 00:44:45,497 --> 00:44:47,777 Speaker 1: You know, it's always interesting to see how many people 789 00:44:48,137 --> 00:44:52,097 Speaker 1: will jump at you for saying things that go against 790 00:44:52,137 --> 00:44:55,297 Speaker 1: this narrative without knowing the facts. But they just know 791 00:44:55,377 --> 00:44:58,657 Speaker 1: that the emotional impulse is supposed to be a certain thing, right, 792 00:44:58,937 --> 00:45:00,937 Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if they know anything about the 793 00:45:00,937 --> 00:45:03,777 Speaker 1: subject matter. But so ill when I'll say that we 794 00:45:03,937 --> 00:45:09,217 Speaker 1: fought our first foreign war because of the enslavement of 795 00:45:09,337 --> 00:45:14,617 Speaker 1: white people buy brown Arabs, right, that is what happened. 796 00:45:14,657 --> 00:45:16,577 Speaker 1: When I say we fought our first form war, people 797 00:45:16,617 --> 00:45:18,977 Speaker 1: will you will see, especially if you stayed around you know, 798 00:45:19,057 --> 00:45:21,857 Speaker 1: college college age radicals. Oh, that's such a lie, and 799 00:45:21,897 --> 00:45:25,057 Speaker 1: it's not. It is one hundred percent true. So it is. 800 00:45:25,137 --> 00:45:27,297 Speaker 1: It is as as true as anything that we can 801 00:45:27,377 --> 00:45:29,577 Speaker 1: know in our history. But people don't like to hear it. 802 00:45:29,697 --> 00:45:31,937 Speaker 1: I'd ask you this, how many of the I mean, 803 00:45:32,297 --> 00:45:34,377 Speaker 1: so were you giving speeches up on stage and taking 804 00:45:34,457 --> 00:45:36,377 Speaker 1: Q and A basically at some of these campuses. Yeah, 805 00:45:37,257 --> 00:45:38,937 Speaker 1: did you ever bring up I'm just wondering, did you 806 00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:42,057 Speaker 1: ever bring up in the discussions about um, just giving 807 00:45:42,097 --> 00:45:46,177 Speaker 1: a full picture of slavery and the history around it, 808 00:45:46,217 --> 00:45:49,817 Speaker 1: and history that is just true. Slavery is evil? You agree? 809 00:45:49,897 --> 00:45:53,217 Speaker 1: I agree. Everybody agrees slavery is evil. Was there ever 810 00:45:53,257 --> 00:45:54,777 Speaker 1: any mentioned though, or do you think they would even 811 00:45:54,777 --> 00:45:57,377 Speaker 1: allow you to mention that there were freed blacks who 812 00:45:57,417 --> 00:46:01,177 Speaker 1: owned slaves in the American South? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, It's 813 00:46:01,177 --> 00:46:05,377 Speaker 1: a point point I try to bring up with some regularity. Um, 814 00:46:05,977 --> 00:46:09,537 Speaker 1: it's very it's a very important detail, and it's not 815 00:46:09,577 --> 00:46:14,177 Speaker 1: a small one actually either. The numbers are pretty significant. Um. 816 00:46:16,777 --> 00:46:20,217 Speaker 1: I'm deeply concerned about the counter story that is being 817 00:46:20,257 --> 00:46:23,737 Speaker 1: told about America because I think it is making people 818 00:46:23,857 --> 00:46:27,657 Speaker 1: racist about against white people, which is as evil as 819 00:46:27,737 --> 00:46:30,017 Speaker 1: it would be if you invented a narrative that made 820 00:46:30,097 --> 00:46:33,977 Speaker 1: racism easier to express against black people or anyone else. 821 00:46:34,337 --> 00:46:37,577 Speaker 1: I think that racism is evil every which way it's pointed, 822 00:46:37,937 --> 00:46:41,097 Speaker 1: and I think that this particular form of racism is 823 00:46:41,337 --> 00:46:44,737 Speaker 1: only white people can do bad, and therefore if the 824 00:46:44,777 --> 00:46:50,417 Speaker 1: white people shut up or dial it down or do 825 00:46:50,537 --> 00:46:53,777 Speaker 1: less in their lives, you know, hand over the microphone, 826 00:46:53,777 --> 00:46:57,417 Speaker 1: all this sort of nonsense you hear, then you know 827 00:46:57,537 --> 00:47:01,137 Speaker 1: that's that's that's where we'll get to the good. And 828 00:47:01,177 --> 00:47:07,017 Speaker 1: here's here's my real worry about this. As a society. 829 00:47:07,457 --> 00:47:11,257 Speaker 1: It is incredibly important that America remained dominant and competitive 830 00:47:11,297 --> 00:47:14,057 Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. We know that if it doesn't, 831 00:47:14,057 --> 00:47:18,217 Speaker 1: there are others, mainly China, who will step into that role. 832 00:47:18,577 --> 00:47:20,897 Speaker 1: China is obviously trying to do that on the international stage. 833 00:47:20,897 --> 00:47:23,097 Speaker 1: At the moment it sees an opening and it's trying 834 00:47:23,137 --> 00:47:24,897 Speaker 1: to seize it. It will try to do it on 835 00:47:24,937 --> 00:47:29,777 Speaker 1: every stage. Here's the thing. Most of us, I think, 836 00:47:29,817 --> 00:47:33,817 Speaker 1: from right and left, if we take away the crassness 837 00:47:33,977 --> 00:47:37,537 Speaker 1: of parts of both sides, pretty much agree that what 838 00:47:37,577 --> 00:47:41,657 Speaker 1: we want is for America to be highly competitive, and 839 00:47:41,697 --> 00:47:45,537 Speaker 1: for America to be highly competitive, Americans should be freed 840 00:47:45,617 --> 00:47:47,737 Speaker 1: up to achieve whatever they can achieve in their lives 841 00:47:47,737 --> 00:47:49,937 Speaker 1: and use their talents the best of their abilities. Now 842 00:47:49,937 --> 00:47:57,257 Speaker 1: here's the thing. If we said except women, then first 843 00:47:57,297 --> 00:48:00,297 Speaker 1: of all, you would say, well, that's kind of bigoted. 844 00:48:00,337 --> 00:48:03,657 Speaker 1: But secondly, you say, why would you want to hold 845 00:48:03,737 --> 00:48:08,657 Speaker 1: back half of the population from achievings. That's madness. What 846 00:48:08,737 --> 00:48:13,577 Speaker 1: if you said, we want to hold back Hispanics from 847 00:48:13,617 --> 00:48:19,417 Speaker 1: doing stuff Hispanic Americans, why would you do that? These 848 00:48:19,457 --> 00:48:23,777 Speaker 1: would be bad ideas. The worst idea of all is 849 00:48:23,817 --> 00:48:27,857 Speaker 1: to try to hold back your majority population from achieving 850 00:48:27,897 --> 00:48:32,777 Speaker 1: whatever they can achieve by marking people down because they're 851 00:48:32,777 --> 00:48:38,137 Speaker 1: white for university entry and other things, by telling them 852 00:48:38,137 --> 00:48:41,217 Speaker 1: to shut up in their lives, by telling them that 853 00:48:41,537 --> 00:48:44,297 Speaker 1: they've got to hand over the space the people of 854 00:48:44,417 --> 00:48:50,457 Speaker 1: other ethnicities or other sexualities or sexual orientations or whatever. 855 00:48:51,337 --> 00:48:53,937 Speaker 1: If America is going to succeed in the twenty first century, 856 00:48:53,977 --> 00:48:57,137 Speaker 1: and all freedom around the world relies on it, on this, 857 00:48:57,657 --> 00:49:01,537 Speaker 1: all three societies around the world rely on America remaining dominant. 858 00:49:02,017 --> 00:49:04,937 Speaker 1: The Americas to remain dominant, it has to be competitive 859 00:49:04,977 --> 00:49:09,097 Speaker 1: in every field, and for that to happen, absolutely everybody 860 00:49:09,297 --> 00:49:11,977 Speaker 1: has to have the best opportunities they can to fulfill 861 00:49:12,057 --> 00:49:19,057 Speaker 1: their potential in this life. To demoralize the majority of 862 00:49:19,097 --> 00:49:23,297 Speaker 1: the population. To tell men that they are trash, to 863 00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:26,377 Speaker 1: tell white people that they are guilty from birth by 864 00:49:26,417 --> 00:49:31,057 Speaker 1: dint of being white. All of these things are profound evils. 865 00:49:32,017 --> 00:49:36,297 Speaker 1: And what's more, they are going to diminish the ability 866 00:49:36,337 --> 00:49:38,977 Speaker 1: of people in America to achieve what they should achieve. 867 00:49:40,137 --> 00:49:43,137 Speaker 1: So it is a simple suicide. Note that the left 868 00:49:43,217 --> 00:49:47,697 Speaker 1: is offering us, and I suggest very very strongly, as 869 00:49:47,697 --> 00:49:52,777 Speaker 1: an interloper, that we don't accept their invitation. Dougas before 870 00:49:52,777 --> 00:49:55,257 Speaker 1: I let you go. I often get people who ask, 871 00:49:55,817 --> 00:49:59,417 Speaker 1: after a conversation like this, well, give us something, give 872 00:49:59,497 --> 00:50:02,217 Speaker 1: us some takeaways, and usually ed's give us some books. 873 00:50:02,737 --> 00:50:06,857 Speaker 1: In the realm of big name historians. Right now, unfortunately, 874 00:50:06,857 --> 00:50:10,457 Speaker 1: even in the biography side, as you know, there are 875 00:50:10,497 --> 00:50:14,217 Speaker 1: not nearly enough to say they're conservatives I think is 876 00:50:14,257 --> 00:50:17,497 Speaker 1: even going too far, but just just pure historians, and 877 00:50:17,537 --> 00:50:24,137 Speaker 1: there are more and more revisionist, leftist, politicized histories being 878 00:50:24,137 --> 00:50:27,457 Speaker 1: written all the time. If we were to just give you, 879 00:50:27,497 --> 00:50:29,217 Speaker 1: were to give a few names of people for whom 880 00:50:29,737 --> 00:50:32,017 Speaker 1: you can read the history, and it's just damn good history, 881 00:50:32,097 --> 00:50:36,297 Speaker 1: and it's not actually history well done for you. Who 882 00:50:36,337 --> 00:50:39,297 Speaker 1: would be a few names that come to mind? Well, 883 00:50:39,657 --> 00:50:43,017 Speaker 1: let me circumvent that. I'm a great advocate of book reading, 884 00:50:43,097 --> 00:50:46,497 Speaker 1: but let me psycument by making it even tighter suggestion. 885 00:50:46,937 --> 00:50:50,137 Speaker 1: I recently did a series called Uncancelled History. It's available 886 00:50:50,217 --> 00:50:54,817 Speaker 1: free on YouTube and on various other platforms, Spotify and 887 00:50:54,857 --> 00:50:59,337 Speaker 1: so On Uncanceled History, you will see me interviewing ten 888 00:50:59,497 --> 00:51:03,577 Speaker 1: leading historians on major historical figures who have been misrepresented 889 00:51:03,577 --> 00:51:09,017 Speaker 1: in recent years, including the wonderful gene Yarborough on Thomas Jefferson, 890 00:51:10,097 --> 00:51:17,857 Speaker 1: Alan Gelzo on Washington, FLIPI. Fernandez, A. Mesto on Columbus, 891 00:51:19,737 --> 00:51:24,337 Speaker 1: John Van Hoorn on Robert E. Lee and more. And 892 00:51:24,497 --> 00:51:27,657 Speaker 1: each of them are roughly an hour, sometimes a little over, 893 00:51:27,697 --> 00:51:31,777 Speaker 1: sometimes a little under. And I did it because I 894 00:51:31,817 --> 00:51:35,697 Speaker 1: wanted to get whilst we still have them experts in 895 00:51:35,737 --> 00:51:39,777 Speaker 1: the American past in particular who really know the subject, 896 00:51:39,817 --> 00:51:44,777 Speaker 1: not studies within the sociological aspects of but the facts. 897 00:51:45,297 --> 00:51:47,137 Speaker 1: I wanted to get all these people on camera, and 898 00:51:47,217 --> 00:51:51,977 Speaker 1: it was. They were all absolutely fascinating conversations with top 899 00:51:52,137 --> 00:51:55,417 Speaker 1: rank historians. I can't recommend it highly enough. I learned 900 00:51:55,457 --> 00:51:58,457 Speaker 1: a huge amount from it, and I really hope other 901 00:51:58,457 --> 00:52:01,457 Speaker 1: people do too. I will check it out myself. Actually 902 00:52:01,497 --> 00:52:03,217 Speaker 1: it is on camp. By the way, I'm gonna say, 903 00:52:03,297 --> 00:52:05,937 Speaker 1: you stuck the landing on that answer, buddy. I wasn't expecting. 904 00:52:06,057 --> 00:52:08,457 Speaker 1: I don't know where we were going, but bam, I'll 905 00:52:08,497 --> 00:52:12,777 Speaker 1: get her. Nine point nine uncanceled history on YouTube. That's 906 00:52:12,777 --> 00:52:15,417 Speaker 1: just what we have to look for. Yeah, uncanceled history 907 00:52:15,417 --> 00:52:18,457 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Everybody check that out and also get Douglas's 908 00:52:18,697 --> 00:52:21,257 Speaker 1: latest book, The War on the West, which I have 909 00:52:21,337 --> 00:52:23,337 Speaker 1: read and I highly highly recommend to all of you. 910 00:52:23,697 --> 00:52:26,377 Speaker 1: Douglas appreciate you making the time. I hope you'll come 911 00:52:26,377 --> 00:52:27,937 Speaker 1: back later this year. We'll have a lot to talk about. 912 00:52:28,097 --> 00:52:30,497 Speaker 1: I'd love that much. Enjoyed it. Thanks all the best.