1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: want you to know. Uh, we're pretty excited about this one. 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: We have been kicking this idea back and forth for 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: a while, and uh, it relates to museums. As you 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: can imagine, being that we're all somewhat on the nerd spectrum, 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: we're all big fans of museums, right Like. I don't 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: know about you guys, but every city that I come across, 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: one of the first things I try to do is 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: find a museum that I've never been to or or 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: heard of before, and then visit it. And for my money, 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: the more obscure and regional, the better, you know what 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: I mean. I love that stuff. It's weird. Museums kind 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: of have I don't know in this moment, a bad 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: rap like it's the touristy thing to do when you're 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: in a city. But I wholeheartedly disagree with that sentiment. 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: And I think what you're saying is is very important 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: saying that about museums. Matt, who's saying that about museums. Well, 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: there's this there's this perception like you know, you you 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: travel to a new city, even if you're just visiting 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: friends or something. It's like there's a desire I think 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: in many of us to go to a museum. I've 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: just heard the pushback and like, oh, that's the touristy thing, like, 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: don't do that. Um, maybe maybe I'm completely wrong. I've 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: heard that sentiment around. Well, it does feel like the 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing that maybe you don't do in your 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: own town, right, Like, we have a handful of okay 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: museums here in Atlanta, but I've never been to. There's 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: a Holocaust museum and also Civil Rights museum, and I 36 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: have been to neither. I've been to the Coca Cola 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Museum when I was a small child, but not since. 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: But I do know plenty of people that live in 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: New York City who take advantage of I believe it's 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: the first Saturday of the month. Um, you get free 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: museum entry, which is a big deal. And the last 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: time I was in New York, I took advantage of 43 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: that and went to the Guggenheim for the first time 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: in my life, and I loved every minute of it. 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: So maybe it's different if you're in like a cultural 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: mecca like New York. I feel like everyone I know 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: pretty often frequents the museums or even have memberships. Yeah, 48 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big fan of the museums in Atlanta, 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: in New York. Really, I'm I'm just such a pushover 50 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to museums, Like I'm the guy who 51 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: if I'm walking by some place in a strange town 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: and it's like J. P. Higginbottoms comprehensive Museum on the 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: history of frying pay ends, I'm like, all right, well 54 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: that's the afternoon, you know, I'm canceling things. Uh, And 55 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: it pays off because knowledge is so important and the idea, 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: the concept of a museum is such a profoundly noble thing. 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: We would, of course will say this at the end 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: as well. Love to hear your stories of strange local 59 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: museums in your neck of the woods. Uh, today we're 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: diving deep into a story that for most of the 61 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: public is probably a new concept. A lot of people 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: are not aware of this. We know that not all 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: museums are created equally, but some have secrets, and that's 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: what today's episode is about. Also full disclosure, we have 65 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: some dark stuff coming up we also think is important, 66 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: but we wanted to take an opportunity to do a 67 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: bit of a more lighthearted episode, a kind of palate cleanser, 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: one that still takes us into conspiratorial waters. So here 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: are the facts. Uh. We everybody knows what a museum is. 70 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: They're very common throughout the world, but the history of 71 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: them is very strange, you know, and it's a history 72 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: that is still reference today in a lot of ways. Um, 73 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: perhaps most recently by our colleague Aaron Manky, who in 74 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the creation of his podcast Cabinet of Curiosities, which is 75 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: a reference to an antisey Dindor, a predecessor of museums. 76 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: I'll only take minor credit for that one, as I 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: did make the first. Well, we will only give you 78 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: minor credit then no major credit where major credit is due. 79 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: It's a really cool show, um, Ben you you point 80 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: out something really interesting in the outline here that I've 81 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: never really thought of, um in this exact way, but 82 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: the idea that museums, at least the modern versions of them, 83 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: are relatively young, and that makes a lot of sense, right, 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: because you kind of need history to happen before bothering 85 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: to uh you know, um display it. Uh you know, 86 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: for people to check out and kind of remember what 87 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: came before. Right, But history has been happening for so long, guys, 88 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: since the beginning of history. Yes, we're gonna find out. 89 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: But that that's a really good point because it's kind 90 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: of like the old, the old adage about how you 91 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't write your autobiography when you're twenty unless a lot 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: of has happened, you know. Uh. So I love this idea. 93 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: This is just a spitball, and I'm sure it's not true, 94 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: but I do love this idea of someone in the 95 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: ancient past saying we should make a museum. Uh. I 96 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: guess about what's happening now? What do we we got? Fire? 97 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: That'll be Here's a rock. It's a it's brown rock, 98 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: a rock from a rock, rock from a rock, which 99 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: is also I think we're doing this every episode now 100 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: this is I propose that that could be a candidate 101 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: for an album name. We just need to figure out 102 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: the band. Uh. But yeah, you're right. Museums, the modern 103 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: version is younger than I think many people assume. But 104 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: the concept the predecessors of museums are very very old, 105 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: so old in fact that experts today are not sure 106 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: where the first museum was located when it was constructed. 107 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: All we know is that it speaks to a primal 108 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: urge of the human species, human beings. One thing they 109 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: have in common is a lot of gregarious pack rats. 110 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: You want to collect stuff, right, and then you want 111 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: to show people stuff. You might not let them take it, 112 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: but you want them to know that you haven't. That 113 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: gets into some weird stuff that we've talked about before. 114 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: With certain countries, especially the United States and other Western countries, 115 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: they just have a huge collection of different things from 116 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: other countries and other times that they maybe shouldn't have 117 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: necessarily and have been giving back. Actually, a lot of 118 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: a lot of plunder and pillage goes into museum collections. Oftentimes. 119 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: It's sort of the dark underbelly of museum culture. I guess, yeah, 120 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: I think it was. I want to say that hell 121 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: Blazer comics. I read some great line where John Constantine 122 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: is talking about museums and he says, this is where 123 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: the British Empire set drew the line and said, we're 124 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: only giving up so much. So, uh, it's it's kind 125 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: of a cynical thing and it's fictional, but it is 126 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: a huge, huge ethical issue and we're going to run 127 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: into some mythical issues today. Do you guys remember that 128 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: movie The Relic? Oh yeah, I think yeah, So anyone 129 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: doesn't remember The Relic. I think it was like an 130 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: early nineties got a bad early c g I monster 131 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: movie that takes place, I believe at the Metropolitan Museum 132 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: of Art in New York. But it's almost like, uh, 133 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: here's a museum curators getting their come up for taking 134 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't belong to them. All right, I need 135 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: to watch it. Oh my goodness. Well, hey, I'm glad 136 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: we brought up Iraq because that is maybe not the 137 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: first museum, but it's like the thing that came before 138 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: a museum, right, yeah, it's the oldest. Right now, it's 139 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: considered the oldest known museum like thing. It was called 140 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: the Enegaldia Nana's Museum and It was built on the 141 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: orders of a princess, princess and Agaldi towards the end 142 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: of the Neo Babylonian Empire, So that puts it around 143 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty b c e um. In less 144 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: academic terms, that's like two thousand, five hundred years ago. 145 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: So the concept of a museum predates the concept of 146 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. That's how common this urge is in the 147 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: human species. And I'm actually surprised that we didn't find 148 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: even earlier collections of things, but I think they're out there, 149 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: just hidden still. Maybe Yeah, like God Beckley Tepish, you know, 150 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: like that's the like an ancient, ancient and very mysterious 151 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: human structure. I don't know if you can call it 152 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: a temple or a town. It's weird. But but this 153 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: is this museum in modern day Iraq is considered to 154 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: be like the first thing, the harbinger of things that come. 155 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: It's the oldest thing people have found so far. And 156 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, this princesses collection, her museum was itself a 157 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: history museum, and it contained artifacts from earlier Mesopotamian civilizations 158 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: and then later of course, you see a common thread 159 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 1: with the well to do collecting objects and artifacts that 160 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: they consider to have social, cultural, or spiritual significance, like 161 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: Romans and Greeks their stuff. Their collections weren't quite what 162 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: you would call a modern museum either, because they would 163 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: be inside temples. These artifacts would being temples, or they 164 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: would be like statues and bath houses or on estates. 165 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: As a flex, look at me, I am doing well 166 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: enough to have statues in my house. Uh. And then uh, 167 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: they were connected with libraries too, so a library would 168 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of contain both the concept of a museum and 169 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: a library. Like you've heard of the Library of Alexandria. 170 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: There was also a museum of Alexandria, neither of which 171 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: are around today. Library is kind of like a museum 172 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: of ideas in many ways, like am and mind beautifully put. Yeah, 173 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: and this this takes us like our next broad step 174 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: is towards something called wonder cabinets or cabinets of curiosity. 175 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: And the phrase cabinet is misleading because usually they were 176 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: like a room in someone's house, someone's estate, or their 177 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: mansion or the palace or whatever. And you can think 178 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: of these like miniature pop up museums, kind of like 179 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: the um what is it that museum in New York. 180 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: It's museum with like three or four ms at the front, 181 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: but that that place is literally a little cubby on 182 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: the street, and it's amazing. It's one of the It 183 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: was one of the best museums I went to in 184 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: New York for how unique it was. But these cabinets 185 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: quote unquote, these rooms, they were flexes, That's what they were. 186 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: They weren't open to the public, not for the pores 187 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: and the prols and the peasants. They also represented just 188 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: like the entirely arbitrary whims of the curators, the people 189 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: who paid for this stuff. You know, I'm really into 190 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: ethno botany or I'm I guess at that time they 191 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: would just say botany and uh now I collect plants 192 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: or I'm a lepidopterss. My thing is butterflies. Have a 193 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: room full of dead butterflies that pinned to the wall. 194 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: Nothing creepy and unless you know, unless there's actual human 195 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: remains of some sort that were significant, which was a thing. Um, Yeah, 196 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: these things are fascinating. If you can you can actually 197 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: find quite a quite a few depictions of count of 198 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: curiosities that never actually had a photo taken of them 199 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: um and some some of these rich folks went wild 200 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: with their cabinets. They were like, you know, the study 201 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: of esoterica or maybe the dining room of dastardly things 202 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: that we me and my friends were able to pay for. Anyway, 203 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: it's just weird stuff, yeah, it is, and it was. 204 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: It's strange because in Europe at this time when the 205 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: the when we see the rise of cabinets of curiosity, 206 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: we see that they were a flex. It was like 207 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: it was like having a really nice rolex or petiitue 208 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: the leap or whatever that that other watches. And you would, 209 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: if you remember the upper class, you would want people 210 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: to know that you had these things, that you had 211 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: this cabinet, and people would generate buzz about it, and 212 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: they would try to curry social favor by having other 213 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: members of the elite come see their cabinets and talk 214 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: about them, or by being lucky enough to snag an 215 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: invitation to whatever cabinet was hottest in town at that time. 216 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: This didn't just become a matter of keeping up with 217 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: the Joneses. If you had a good cabinet of curiosities, 218 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: it could propel you to hire echelons of society. So 219 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: this was like for a lot of these people, Yes, 220 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: it was satisfying their own personal curiosity, but it was 221 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: also like an investment in a very real way. We've 222 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: had discussions before off air, and I think maybe a 223 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: little bit on air here about this weird tendency in 224 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: the upper echelons of society across history of just wanting 225 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: to hang with people, like somebody that you like hanging 226 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: out with, You just want to spend time with that 227 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: person maybe, or if you like someone, you almost want 228 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: to have them just join your club or be within 229 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: your club. And I don't know, there's something to this where, yeah, 230 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: the weird stuff that you get to go see at 231 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: somebody else's house just makes them a part of your thing, now, uh, 232 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So the cabinet was a way in, 233 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: and this is common in people's homes in the modern day. 234 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: People are still doing this. You know, you want to 235 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: show friends your cool stuff and maybe family heirlooms would 236 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: be a common example. And not only that, I mean 237 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: even you know, some of the grandest museums of today, 238 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: like the louver Or or the matt in New York. 239 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: There's something very sacred feeling about them. I mean the 240 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: the architecture and the way the space is laid out, 241 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: and the you know, um emphasis on being quiet and respectful. 242 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: It almost feels like you're in a church in some way. 243 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: And the idea of maybe having family air limbs out 244 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: in some cultures where there is a certain, very very 245 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: high reverence towards ancestors. Um. These things could be considered trines, 246 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, or or like many at home temples. Yeah, 247 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: I've had I've had trines before and visited them, and 248 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: I think that is a very important point. There is 249 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: uh an intersection of holiness in secularism, right, the idea 250 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: that we can worship knowledge and through knowledge and power ourselves, um, 251 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: which I think is one of the best best things 252 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: about humanity. It's not perfect species by any means, but 253 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: capable of such beautiful things. And if you want to 254 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: look at the the Modern Museum, by which we mean 255 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: an institution dedicated to educating the public, then you're going 256 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: to look at the amber Bach Cabinet. It's started as 257 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: a private collection in six six in and then in 258 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: like ten years later six seventy one or so, it 259 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: opened to the public. This was, as far as we know, 260 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: the first public museum in the world, and that meant 261 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: for the first time a common person who couldn't afford schooling, 262 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: maybe wasn't literate, could still get a chance to see 263 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: all this cool stuff that was normally reserved for the elites. 264 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: And then the majority of modern museums, the majority of 265 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: like the first wave of them, happens more in the 266 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds. Well, you figure out that you can make 267 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: a profit by just having cool stuff, right, you don't 268 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: have to do anything with it besides put it behind 269 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: some glass or you know, lock it up to where 270 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: people could see it from afar but not touch it, 271 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: and people will give you money for that. Okay, Yeah, 272 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: that's a that's a great business model. And of course 273 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: you guys know I have a long standing plan to 274 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: create a museum for a time. I think we talked 275 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: about that while back. You know, there's all this talk 276 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: reminds me, uh, top of mind for me. I just 277 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: finished it. But the incredible show Station eleven based on 278 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: the incredible book Station eleven, which a lot of people love. 279 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: There's things about the show that are different um that 280 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: I think people that have read the book will appreciate 281 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: and give them something new to look forward to. But 282 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: in the story, both in the book and the show, 283 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: there's something called the Museum of Civilization. Uh, it's not 284 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: a spoiler to to say that this is a show 285 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: where a massive portion of the Earth's population is wiped 286 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: out due to a virus that is has a very 287 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: very high mortality rate. And in it there is a 288 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: group of characters that end up kind of creating, um, 289 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: a safe haven in this airport, and they build something 290 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: called the Museum of Civilization that you know, highlights things 291 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: like iPad type things and um. You know. Over time, 292 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: they gather these artifacts and display it in the control 293 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: tower this airport. Yeah, and what's startling about that is 294 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: it is a repository. It's meant to maintain a through 295 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: line from one generation, one era to the next. And 296 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: from that perspective, I would say that museums are some 297 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: of the most important of human endeavors. Libraries as well. 298 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: Libraries are very much like museums. It's no surprise that 299 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: museums took off when the public could see them, you know, 300 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: whether it's free, whether it's you know, a couple of 301 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: a couple of shillings or whatever. People I love this stuff. 302 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: Here in the US. Oddly enough, we're very fortunate to 303 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: have an abundance of museums. Not all of the same quality, yes, admittedly, 304 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: But I was looking up some stats and one of 305 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: the most recent ones I could find was twenty seventeen. 306 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: There's a book called The Museums of the World, and 307 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: the author did Grouter Sour estimates that this planet is 308 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: home to around fifty five thousand museums scattered across two 309 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: hundred and two different countries, and of those, the US 310 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: is home to an estimated thirty three thousand one museums, 311 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: most of them on Route sixty. Yeah uh yeah, I know. 312 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: And you know these museums against they run the gamut. 313 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: I have not checked yet. I have not figured out 314 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: whether or not there's a museum of museums. I just 315 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: don't know how they would get the exhibits in the door. 316 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: But but that's not what we're here to talk about today. 317 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: We just wanted to give you the background because, fellow 318 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists, not all museums are created equal. And when 319 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: we say that, we're not just saying that some are, 320 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, hokey tourist traps and some are um amazing 321 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: scientific institutions. Yes, both are both are wonderful. Uh, but 322 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: there are some museum is that you will never get 323 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: to visit. And it sounds weird, it's strange, But in 324 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: some cases they're very existence is shrouded in secrecy. So 325 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and 326 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: we'll dive into this contradiction. Here's where it gets crazy. 327 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: Secret museums real thing, but sounds paradoxical, right, Like, if 328 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: you're a museum is supposed to spread knowledge, So why 329 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: would you build one and not let people inside? Why 330 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: would you bother doing this? It feels like it's surreal, 331 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, It's like um, like, let's say we opened 332 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: a restaurant and then we said, you know, the number 333 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: one thing we want our restaurant to be about is 334 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: not having customers. Don't let him in the door. Yeah, well, 335 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: I I guess it depends on whether purpose of the 336 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: museum is right. As we said, many museums, I mean, 337 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: even if it's not stated, the purpose is to educate 338 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: someone who absorbs the information about whatever that you know 339 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: that the subject of that museum is. And I think 340 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: several of these examples that we've got today are based 341 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: on educating a very small group of people. M Yeah, 342 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: they're targeted towards people who are initiate in a very 343 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: specific group, a specific club, a specific sect, whatever it 344 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: might be. UM. First off, we've got the Black Museum 345 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: in London, which on the surface just sounds like a 346 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: really cool crime museum, and it sounds like the kind 347 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: of place I think we'd all love to take a 348 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: walk around in. UM, but it's not gonna happen likely 349 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: unless we have some kind of inside person that can, 350 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, get us, get us a tour. Someone listening 351 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: to it, I know you're there. Yeah, let um Because 352 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: a lot of these museums love the point about their 353 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: specific demographic. Who are they attempting to educate? A lot 354 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: of these museums do have some kind of off the 355 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: book's ways to get invited. It's kind of like the 356 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Magic Castle in Los Angeles, right. If someone is a 357 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: member of the organization wants to have you over, then 358 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: you can do it. But you can't just run up. 359 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: There is an average joke, super Lucky, a buddy of 360 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: mine a magician that he hired for his son's bar. 361 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: Mitzvah is a magician that's a member of the Magic Castle, 362 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: and I was able to finagle and invite it was 363 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: one of the coolest things I've ever done. Like I 364 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: brought my kid. It was delightful. It's a really that 365 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: place in and of itself is a museum, and it's 366 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: a museum targeted at a very specific demographic magicians and 367 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: their friends exactly. And that's a good example too, because 368 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: this this establishes that that secrecy is not always inherently sinister. 369 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: But the Black Museum of London, which is currently known 370 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: as the Crime Museum, uh, we just stuck with lackings 371 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: um way cooler, more ominous name. This museum is pretty old. 372 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: It was created in eighteen seventy four unofficially Scotland Yard. 373 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: Due to legislation at the time, Scotland Yard was able 374 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: to collect property from various prisoners, so it became kind 375 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: of a bragging rights thing. It became kind of just 376 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: an eccentric collection. Uh. And you know it gave you 377 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 1: some pride if you worked at Scotland Yard. The law 378 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: enforcement there within London. Uh, Scotland Yard is the headquarters 379 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: of the Metropolitan Police. Now I gotta ask Ben, I mean, 380 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: you know we we know of places in America, like 381 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: the Museum of Death for example, that have artifacts and 382 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: things from crime scenes and crime scene photos and serial 383 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: killer paintings. In the light, where would the artifacts in 384 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: this secret museum have come from? I guess it would 385 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: be you know, from literally the like the repository where 386 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: they tag and keep evidence. And then once the uh, 387 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: the case goes to trial and the people are you know, convicted, 388 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: then it's fair game. Yeah, it goes back to something. 389 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: So we said, this starts in eighteen seventy four off 390 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: the books kind of bragging rights, giving Scotland Yard, giving 391 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: themselves some out of boys which were well earned. Uh. 392 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: It starts because of something called the Forfeiture Act of 393 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy This resulted in the Scotland Yard collection. In 394 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: the Forfeiture Act, actually, let me clarify here. The Forfeits 395 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: Act actually abolished the the ability to automatically take people's 396 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: property and land as a punishment for felonies. Before then, 397 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: if you were convicted of treason or a felony, you 398 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: lost everything. It went to the king and it went 399 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: to the crown, right And because of the change in 400 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: that situation, it's like abolished that auto matic forfeiture, but 401 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: it did say the custody and management of property needs 402 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: to needs to be run by an administrator. It's kind 403 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: of vaguely phrased. But at Scotland yard gets to keep 404 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: your stuff and they're supposed to give it back to 405 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: you when you get out of prison. Yeah. Yeah, and 406 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: it's intense. But but you know also in that museums 407 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: it really is like training but showing the history. Right. 408 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: So according to an article from the Lineup that was 409 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: published in uh, there's things in there and all like 410 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: the six Newses that were used to hang the last 411 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: men in the United Kingdom. Of things like that you're 412 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: talking about forfeited basically evidence, Like there's a fake diamond. 413 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: There was a there was a really famous attempt at 414 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: heist in November of two thousand and they were they 415 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: were going in to steal this giant diamond, and inside 416 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: the museum you can find the fake diamond that was 417 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: actually on display that would have been stolen if the 418 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: heist had been successful. Really interesting stuff like that, like 419 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: serial killer stuff too, yes by stuff too, shotguns that 420 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: look like umbrellas, these things called death mask won't ruin 421 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: the surprise for you, but Google it or search with 422 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: your browser of choice. Uh, here's the thing. It becomes 423 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: official pretty quickly after its inception in eighteen seventy five. 424 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: It is recognized as a museum, the Black Museum of 425 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: Scotland Yard, but it is private. It is unopened to 426 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: the public. The only way non cops could get in 427 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: is if they were in the middle of illegal proceeding, 428 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: if they were royalty, or if they were a very 429 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: interested celebrity slash v i P. Today it's located in 430 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: the Curtis Green Building, it's home in New Scotland Yard 431 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: and if you want to visit, we do have a 432 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: way you can visit is a hefty ticket price. All 433 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: you have to do is joined the police force. Just 434 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: change your career and you can get in the museum. Yeah, 435 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: it seems like any affiliated branch of law enforcement in 436 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: all of the United Kingdom. UM members qualify to to 437 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: check it out. And there's also there's a movie UM 438 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: classic horror film from nineteen fifty nine called Horrors of 439 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: the Black Museum that's a fictionalized version. I mean, I 440 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: don't know, it's not really intended to be this thing, 441 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: but the idea of a black museum in general is 442 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: sort of a larger concept than just the specific location. 443 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: It's the idea of sort of like a maccab collection 444 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: of grizzly artifacts. And you guys might remember um one 445 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: of the episodes and I think the last season of 446 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: Black Mirror was called the Black Museum. Yep, and shout 447 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: out to Black Mirror. I can't wait to see them 448 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: do more stuff. But let's say, Okay, so we're pitching 449 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: this idea to you. Let's say that you are a 450 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: member of the majority of the population of the world 451 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: who are in fact not law enforcement officers in the 452 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: United Kingdom, and you're like, I don't want to change 453 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: my career to go to a museum. What if I 454 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: don't like it? Uh, then maybe you could travel to Shanghai, 455 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: Shanghai and visit the Museum of Propaganda Posters. Heads up, 456 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: This is a little bit of a fake out because 457 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: if you you will be allowed entry. Most likely you 458 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: just have to be able to find it. And it's 459 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: hidden like a secret area in a video game. Well, 460 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: the other thing is, well, I've heard I don't know 461 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: if this is correct, but I've heard that there are 462 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: there is some signage around the area that kind of 463 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: would lead you to it, but they're like fairly small 464 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: relative to other signs that you'll see around. And you know, 465 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: if you if you don't speak the language, and you 466 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: may have a problem attempting to find it. Yeah, man, 467 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Like the u funny thing about this is every description 468 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: makes it sound cartoonishly hard to find. Uh. It's in 469 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: the basement of an apartment building somewhere in the suburbs, 470 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: and they're sparse signage. But if you do get there, 471 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: you'll get a firsthand look at some top notch chef's 472 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: kiss propaganda from the first three decades or so of 473 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: the People's Republic of China, back when Mao z Dong 474 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: was rising to power and then during the Great Leap Forward, 475 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: which is its own episode Waiting to Happen. I have 476 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: to say I found a YouTube video of like the 477 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: inside of somebody kind of going through it with an 478 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: old potato camera, but it still looks pretty great, and 479 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: the art on those posters and the style very persuasive. 480 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: I would say it portrays a very positive happy like 481 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: it just seems like everything is good here, we're working 482 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: together and the future looks bright. I've got a great 483 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: book on Chinese propaganda, and I've got another one on 484 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: North Korean propaganda. I can't you, guys, I would love it. 485 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: Next time we have a book club. Have we ever 486 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: had a book club? We need a book club. Let's 487 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: start one. It was never never too late to have 488 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: a stuff that it wants you to know book club. UM. 489 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you guys are into my you guys, 490 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean you guys and all of you out there 491 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: and podcast Land are into propaganda posters, and you're also 492 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: into Disney. Um, there is a non secret museum that 493 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: you can, in fact visit that the mouse himself would 494 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: probably prefer you didn't. UM. It is called the Disney 495 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: Family Museum, and it is um a offshoot of the 496 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: Walt Disney Family you know, trust basically it is unconnected 497 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: to the Walt Disney Company. Uh. And in it you'll 498 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: find things like miniature kind of diorama replicas are not 499 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: replicas that the initial designs for a lot of the 500 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: rides at Walt Disney World or Disneyland. Rather and like 501 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, the first optical printer that of eye Works 502 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: and Walt Disney design to allow them to like you know, 503 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: stack all these like animation cells and create kind of 504 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 1: a moving camera effect that Disney sort of spearheaded. But 505 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: what you also find there is a lot of the 506 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: weird problematic Disney War propaganda posters and and films um 507 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: that the Walt Disney Company would probably prefer that you 508 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: don't think about. Um lots of you know, the very 509 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: problematic images of of Asian people, um, Donald Duck, you know, 510 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: kind of mocking them and things like that. And of 511 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: course you know there's the whole if the furor says 512 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: we as the master race Si Kyle right in the 513 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: Feurer's face, all that stuff. Uh, it's interesting. Um. And 514 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: then there's there's a good bit of those on display there, 515 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: these posters and and little film snippets. So if you're 516 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: into that, highly recommended. It's in San Francisco in the 517 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: Prestidio area. Fantastic yet check it out. I mean obviously 518 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: it's not it's not going to be in Orlando because 519 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I don't think the Red Creek Improvement District would be 520 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: down for that. And check out that episode. Uh so 521 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: we kind of did a fake out with the propaganda poster. 522 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: That museum is difficult to find, but you're not going 523 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: to get Stone walled. If you do make it to 524 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: the entrance, let's go to something else. A piece of 525 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: good news. Uh, this is the muse then, not to 526 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: me Delmas or Fila rue Villa. Uh, my French is terrible, 527 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: but it is. For a long time, it was this amazing, 528 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: super exclusive museum in the Renee Descartes University. And this 529 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: one I actually tried to enter unsuccessfully, tried to get 530 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: in there when I was homeless in Paris. But this 531 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: place is a legend to anatomy students. It's got thousands 532 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: and thousands of like animal specimens, skulls, anatomical sculptures. Uh, 533 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: it's been the collection has been through a lot. At 534 00:32:54,120 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: one point, some of those sculptures were burned to provide light. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 535 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: And there's neat weird somewhat mccob twist, one of the 536 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: guys who played a key role in the creation of 537 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: the collection is part of the exhibit. You can see 538 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: the preserved brain of Paul broke up. And for years 539 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: and years everybody wanted to check this out, Tourists, you know, 540 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: students from abroad, people in town just visiting. Uh, but 541 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: the university staunchly refused to allow the public to check 542 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: out anything about this until something really cool happened. In 543 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. The collection was donated to the University 544 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: of Montpellier or Montpellier, and they were way more cool 545 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: about letting the average person dropped by. So good on 546 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: you u O M, yeah, good job. We found several 547 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: places like this that are not necessarily secret, but they're 548 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: preserved for you know, student it's let's say, of medical 549 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: sciences and other things where they are somewhat maccabre things 550 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: on display, but they're important for someone who's you know, 551 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: deeply studying anatomy, wants to be a surgeon, who wants 552 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: to understand the human body and how it functions. Uh, 553 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's almost like for me, it's 554 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: almost like there's a desire to just protect these things 555 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: because some of them really are precious, like some of 556 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: the some of those wax sculptures, as you said, were burned, 557 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: but they came from a very specific time. They came 558 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: from a very specific understanding of the human body, and 559 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, in that moment what we understood. UM, so 560 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: like to actually teach someone kind of the history of 561 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: our understanding over time. I think I think it's just 562 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: a price. They're priceless, some of these things. Yeah, it 563 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: reminds me of the Motor Museum in UM Philadelphia, which 564 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: is part of the College of Physicians of Philadelphia, and 565 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: that was established in eighteen fifty eight and it is 566 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: open to the public. But it's also I think they 567 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: had something in the charter that allows artists to come 568 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: in and use it for sketching, you know, for like 569 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: you know, models and stuff. And the Quay Brothers, who 570 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: are some of my favorite stop motion animators UM did 571 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: a really really cool residency kind of film where they 572 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: animated some of the macabre kind of like you know, 573 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: medical devices and uh, and skeletons in the Motor Museum. Yeah. 574 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: And when we're talking about human remains being commodified or 575 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: just being used as educational examples, we also get into 576 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: conspiratorial stuff. Where did the bodies from the Bodies exhibit 577 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: come from? Don't talk about that, right, right? Got it? 578 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: UM from your good friends and Illumination Global Unlimited. Uh. 579 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: Speaking of vast conspiratorial organizations, we can't forget about the 580 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: CIA Museum. I mean, come on, that's that's like day 581 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: one stuff. Here. The official position of the CIA museum, 582 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: which is in Langley, is so weird. Here's the gist. 583 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: Tell me if this sounds a little off. The CIA 584 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: claims this museum quote supports the agency's operational recruitment and 585 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: training missions, and it helps visitors better understand the CIA 586 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: and its contributions to national security. There are thousands of 587 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: items in this collection, from like the days of the 588 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: OSS the predecessor of the CIA, to the Cold War 589 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: to the War on Terrorism. One of the newer exhibits 590 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: is Osama bin Laden's a K forty seven. Uh. These 591 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: are officially held in trust for the public, but unless 592 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: you are a CIA employee, a higher up in the 593 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: world of government, or someone with just a lot of 594 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: juice or section, as they would say on the wire, 595 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: you are not getting in. There is something so uniquely 596 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: c i A about making a museum for the public 597 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: and not letting the public visit, you know. Uh. Also 598 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: included in that new exhibit about the War on Terror 599 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: is a cool little model of Osama bin Lawden's compound, 600 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: or allegedly the compound where he was found where that 601 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: A K forty seven was located, and the stealth helicopter 602 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,919 Speaker 1: crash Um. They don't have that on there. I don't think, 603 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: uh that that part's omitted where their helicopter landed. Maybe, 604 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: But there's also an entire stealth plane that's kind of 605 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: parked on the outside of the museum. That's a part 606 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: of the exhibit, but it's also you know, a giant 607 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: plane on the grounds. It's kind of hard to you 608 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: can keep people from looking at it, right, right, right, 609 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: Like that's the reason spy satellites are such a weird thing, right, 610 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: because you can't really hide something like that in the sky. 611 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do? You say, I really 612 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: want to see the CIA Museum, but I don't want 613 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: to work for the CIA. I just want to go 614 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: there one afternoon. What can you do? If you're a 615 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: civilian history buff tradecraft enthusiasts, we recommend keeping an eye 616 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: out for their traveling public exhibitions. You'll see them popping 617 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: up at presidential libraries, uh, you know, places like the 618 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: Carter Center they have here in Atlanta, or you'll see 619 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: them at other frankly less shady museums as as traveling exhibits. Uh. 620 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: You can also take a virtual tour of the museum, 621 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: a curated virtual tour, mind you over at CIA dot gov. 622 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, man, you're not getting into the actual building. Uh. 623 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: And that would lead the more cynical of us to 624 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: assume the real juicy stuff is staying in house. You know. 625 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption, right, Yeah, it 626 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: reminds me of um. I was looking into some stuff 627 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: and trying to find some other examples of this before 628 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: we recorded today. Of the Vatican. I mean, as we know, 629 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: like there are a lot of parts of the Vatican 630 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: and Vatican City that are off limits to people that 631 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: aren't a member of you know, the clergy or the 632 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: Pope's you know, staff or entourage or whatever. But there 633 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: actually is as an off limits museum in the Vatican. 634 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: And then we say off limits that means it's not 635 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: on the typical tour, but there are ways to to 636 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: get a private tour of it um and it is 637 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: uh has something called the Bramante Staircase, which is this 638 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: incredible like spiral staircase, and the Nicolina chapel um and 639 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: it is something that is typically not open to the public, 640 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: but if you know the right people or you know, 641 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: you know where to book, you can get a tour 642 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: of it. Uh. And also reminds me of the Catacombs 643 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: in Paris. You can get into part of the catacombs 644 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: that are open to the public, but then there are 645 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: these just tunnels and tunnels and networks of tunnels that 646 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: are officially closed to the public. And there's even catacombs 647 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: police that that kind of, you know, patrol to keep 648 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: these urban explorers, kind of urban spelunkers out of there, 649 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: because there are parts of it that are so dark 650 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: and so deep and and dank. People potentially can get 651 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: lost in there and never find their way out unless 652 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. I think only Opus Day 653 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: members and from right they like to have underground parties 654 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: there O ravers of course, And yes we are. We're 655 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit more about some secrecy 656 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: at the Vatican. Uh shout out to our earlier episode, 657 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: which we'll mention in a bit. But I guess that's so. 658 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: I didn't think this episode would lead us to this statement. 659 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: But in defense of the CIA, just being fair, it 660 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: does make sense to guard this kind of collection pretty 661 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: closely because if it was open to the public, one 662 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 1: of the first things that would happen would be foreign 663 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: intelligence operatives will be trying to get in to see 664 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: if there was anything that could help them with their 665 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: own intelligence endeavor. And now they have to, you know, 666 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: become a double agent. And that's a whole thing. It's 667 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: like a whole Yeah, the paperwork pain You gotta keep 668 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: all your story straight, make sure you're not telling the 669 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: wrong thing to the wrong people. And all the whigs 670 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: and and and fake mustaches and I don't know, I mean, 671 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: there's yeah, all of that. Just to see the one 672 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: pigeon with the camera strapped to his chest right and 673 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: it might be, like you said, a potato camera. And 674 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: then also, you know, it's so embarrassing if you use 675 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: the wrong code words, you know. Yeah, one last thing 676 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: before we move away from the CIA Museum. You can 677 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: go on YouTube and you could find a video creatd 678 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: by Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, and it's just 679 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: a short little snippet featuring Robert Buyer, who in at 680 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: least was the museum director for the CIA there and 681 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: this I love this guy. The camera tilts down to 682 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: him and he just goes, Hi, I'm Robert Buyer, director 683 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: of the CIA Museum. And he starts telling you about 684 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: it that energy and the stuff and it is so cool. 685 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: It really is cool because they you get to see 686 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,439 Speaker 1: examples of what actually is inside there, and it's worth 687 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: your time. It's only like a minute. Yeah. And also, 688 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: you know what's hilarious about that to me is you 689 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: keep in mind, for civilians, this is like an amazing 690 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: career and quite a dangerous one. And for this guy, 691 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: it's like Tuesday, you know, singing. It's no, he's hey, Robert, Robert. 692 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: I really like Bob. He's not I don't know, he's 693 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: just low energy. He's not you know, low energy. He's 694 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: also you know, he's just chill. You wouldn't and it 695 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be more disturbing if he was like twitchy, you know, 696 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: and he seemed a little sped up. I would be worried. 697 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: For me, it's more like, why are we promoting the 698 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 1: CIA Museum when nobody can come here and see it? Like, 699 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: what are we doing that? Who's the audience for this video? 700 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: Our restaurant is gonna be awesome? I could just tell. 701 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: But at this point we're gonna We're gonna pause for 702 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: a moment and we'll be back to further explore the 703 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: strange world of secret museums. We've returned. Okay, here's a 704 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: question that I think occurs to a lot of people. 705 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: When you visit a museum. You see a big, big building, 706 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: probably with a lot of other ancillary buildings, and they 707 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: probably have some offsite storage, you know, especially if they're 708 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: in a really dense city like um like New York 709 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: would be a perfect example. Then you say, hey, I 710 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: heard there was a collection of Picasso paintings here. Where 711 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: are they? I already got in the door. I'd like 712 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: to see this Picasso stuff. And they say, oh, we're 713 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 1: not exhibiting those, Like why isn't that not your job? 714 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: Why would a museum not want people to see certain things? 715 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: Why would they not have certainty CIB It's out there 716 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: in some cases news security concerns, like you can't have 717 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: just anybody looking at this stuff, that's the CIA museum. 718 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: In other cases, it's back to the dais of cabinets 719 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: and curiosities, their private entities, and the decision about who 720 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: gets to go in is entirely up to the whim 721 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: of the person who owns the collection, you know what 722 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: I mean. But there's some bonkers private collections around the 723 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: world owned by some very very wealthy people. I always 724 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: think back to you know, Nicholas Cage supposedly owned a 725 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: t rex skull, you know, and he'll do whatever movie 726 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: you throw at him. Uh. Michael Jackson, you know, apparently 727 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: had all kinds of crazy stuff. Um when did he 728 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: have like the bones of some kind of chimp or 729 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: something like that. I can't remember. He had an actual chimp, 730 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: but then he also had some bones. Uh weird, weird stuff. 731 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I it's all on hey, you know, 732 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,720 Speaker 1: I guess right, Yeah, I think it's accurate. There's something 733 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: also along these lines to imagine. This comes to me 734 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: via some until I got on club promoters here in Atlanta. 735 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: The concept of closing down a place for a certain 736 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: amount of time so that there you're generating demand within 737 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: that area or that city, uh like builds up until 738 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: you reopen it again and you've maybe change the exhibit 739 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: around a little bit, but it's like a brand new 740 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: experience and you can do it now, but then you 741 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,959 Speaker 1: close it again. Enforced exclusivity. Yeah, it's a big, big deal, 742 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: and it's uh, it is being applied on numerous fronts 743 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: to every human being because it it just works. It's 744 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: hacking psychology. Uh, this this does occur in museums. I 745 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: think it's a very good point, Matt, But we also 746 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: need to be clear when we say even museums you 747 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: would consider open to the public also hide away various 748 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: works of art, like legitimate masterpieces. And it's no secret 749 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: that museums are almost always not showing everything they have 750 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: at once shout out Smithsonian. But the odds are this 751 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: is less due to conspiracy and much more due to 752 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: logistical constraints. Like these works of art, especially really fragile 753 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: stuff like paintings that are hundreds and hundreds of years old, 754 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: they need a lot of TLC. You know, they have 755 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: to be meticulously maintained at very very specific temperatures. They 756 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: have to have people who have trained their entire lives 757 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,320 Speaker 1: as art restoration experts to come in and figure out 758 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: how to keep the thing from disintegrating. And Second, and 759 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 1: this is like a Larry David moment, I was surprised 760 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 1: by how common this complaint is. Second, if you hear 761 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: museum directors and curators talking about why they don't have 762 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: everything out in the public space, they'll just start complaining 763 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: that their museum does not physically have the space to 764 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: display its stuff. They're not hiding some revelatory missing books 765 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: of the Bible, though more on that in a second. Uh, 766 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: they're prioritizing what they can show off, and then they're 767 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,439 Speaker 1: closing and they're cycling through their exhibits just like you said, Matt, 768 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,320 Speaker 1: to maintain interest, and then they're reopening a new wing, 769 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: et cetera. So it's much more bureaucracy and real estate really, 770 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: except for we're in the case of the Smithsonian's long 771 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: standing secret collection of giant bones. I am so glad 772 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 1: you said yes. Yes. The root of the Hidden History 773 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: of Giants conspiracy is that the Smithsonian is, for some 774 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: nebulous reason, motivated too high giant bones. They made that 775 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: decision in some weird board meeting and they said, we 776 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,240 Speaker 1: just we don't giants are real a and we really 777 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: don't want people to know. We gotta to all these bones. 778 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,319 Speaker 1: We're gonna pay for them. We're just gonna collect them 779 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: all and hide them away in the basement. Originally, the 780 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: Smithsonia was just a bunch of giant bone hunters and 781 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: the museum was a front. But the museum did so 782 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: well they went legit, you know what I mean. It's 783 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: like it's like I pictured, isn't that the thing that 784 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: happens sometimes in organized crime, like organized criminals will will 785 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: open a front and then they'll they'll think, actually, we're 786 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: making more money from being an actual laundromat. Yeah, and 787 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: then and then the sausages end up in your local 788 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: grocery store and don't ask how they're made, don't don't, 789 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: don't have So this this leads us to another category 790 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: of museums that are related. These are museums that are 791 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: technically on paper open. They're open to you. You can go, 792 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: but you are never going to get there, or the 793 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: odds are very much not in your favor. One of 794 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: one place that really stands out is um museums in 795 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: countries like the DPRK or North Korea. They all have 796 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: these very um, grandiose names like the Victorious Fatherland Liberation 797 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: War Museum in North Korea. A matter of fact, think 798 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: of every museum in that country. Sure, once you are 799 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: in the country, your government liaison will gladly take you 800 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,359 Speaker 1: to several of these museums will kind of like kind 801 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: of make you. Yeah. It goes back to Matt's point 802 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: earlier in the podcast about how it's all about the 803 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: intent of the museum, and in countries like this, the 804 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,760 Speaker 1: intent of the museum is to big up the country 805 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: and to pick up the leadership and not to point 806 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: out the mistakes of the past or anything along those lines. 807 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: So it absolutely could be a museum of propaganda. I 808 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: think the argument is very from the rest of the world. 809 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: The argument is that those are very much propaganda museums. 810 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,720 Speaker 1: But you make a you make a great point. Um. 811 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: Mistakes don't exist in North Korea, by the way, officially, 812 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, what's that? What? What was that 813 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: excellent film about? Oh, the death of Stalin? Yeah, they 814 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: he literally when we talked, we talked about it on 815 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: the show many times he had people erased in that 816 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: he had them killed, but also then removed from the record, 817 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: cut out of photographs like pre photo shopped out. Yeah, 818 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: and and you run into a similar surreal situation there. 819 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: Uh so, Yeah, once you're in, you're going to end 820 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: up having to go to museums, whether you like to 821 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: or not, because to go in legally you have to 822 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: be part of a state sanctioned tour. But can you 823 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: imagine going to that museum though seriously, yeah, that sounds 824 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,239 Speaker 1: I think about it a lot. Honestly, you know me, 825 00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: but but legally entered North Korea. Speaking from experience, it's 826 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: kind of a tall milk shake. So let's say you 827 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: don't want to possibly risk physical injury, don't want to 828 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 1: spark an international incident. You also don't want to accidentally 829 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: do something wrong in the country, or you don't want 830 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: to support the regime. Any of those concerns may dissuade people, 831 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: especially Westerners, from attempting entry into d p r K. 832 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: There's a slight workaround. It's not the real thing, but 833 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: it is uh. It is doable. You can visit from 834 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,760 Speaker 1: the South Korean or Republic of Korea side of the border, 835 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: and then there's an entire tourism industry around this. You 836 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: will see tunnels, you can crawl through tunnels from the 837 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: Korean War, you can learn about the fraud history of 838 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: the peninsula, and if you're lucky, you can visit the 839 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,280 Speaker 1: d m z UH pro tip. The strange propaganda alone 840 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,879 Speaker 1: is worth the trip. I have the gift shops will 841 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 1: surprise you, Like I have barbed wire from North Korea. 842 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: I also have from my last trip. I have like 843 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: a bottle of blueberry wine, which I gotta show you guys, 844 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm still hesitant to drink it. The propaganda 845 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 1: is the propaganda is so deep though that I I 846 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: think they may have gotten to me, you know what 847 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: I mean, um one side or the other. Like there 848 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,759 Speaker 1: was this rumor was unrelated to anything, but there was 849 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,840 Speaker 1: a rumor for a long time that North Korean uh 850 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 1: beverage and spirit industries were using human urine in the 851 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:42,320 Speaker 1: creation of some products. So I'm blueberry wine. Man. If 852 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,279 Speaker 1: you I know, it's a woman that sings that song, 853 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: but if you reframe it and it's a man singing it, 854 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: it becomes super creepy. Oh, I'm gonna have to I'm 855 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: gonna have to re listen to that one. Yes. So 856 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: let's say you're like, all right, North Korea. That's a 857 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: little intense, you know. Uh, maybe you could try the 858 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: Bendery Military Museum. Just a museum of bending It's it's 859 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: it's the name of the town. The town is also 860 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: in a weird place. So this fascinating Eastern European gym 861 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,800 Speaker 1: has lots of stuff from the Soviet era, and the 862 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,359 Speaker 1: reviews are actually pretty nice. It's you you'll see this 863 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: when referenced a lot in places like mental Floss or 864 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,640 Speaker 1: atlas Us Europe. It's legit. It's in a small town 865 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: called Bendery, just over the Moldovan border. It's located in 866 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 1: a country that does not officially exist. Oh, what's the 867 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:42,399 Speaker 1: name of that trance? No, maybe I'm wrong, Transnistria, that's 868 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,440 Speaker 1: the one, yes, yeah, but the the official name is 869 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:54,800 Speaker 1: the Preetnis Drovian Muldavan Republic. Uh and I found were 870 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,279 Speaker 1: very lucky we found this out before we went. You 871 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: should not say transnisse Ria to the locals. It is 872 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,680 Speaker 1: a Romanian word, and it is a fighting word. It 873 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 1: is yeah, like like ordering an Irish car bomb in Ireland. 874 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: You know what, that's not a bad comparison. It's it's offensive. 875 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: And actually, you know, most people in the world are 876 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: really friendly, right, most people. So I'm sure that people 877 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: might get a pass if they're like, oh, you're just 878 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,439 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. We prefer most 879 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: people would just correct you and they wouldn't be like 880 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,879 Speaker 1: you've made a powerful enemy. But avoid it um this 881 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 1: place and in English, it's totally fine, and we're not 882 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: trying to be offensive when we say Transnistria. Um. If 883 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: you look at the map, it's just this like little 884 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,640 Speaker 1: sliver of land kind of sandwiched in between the border 885 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,800 Speaker 1: of Moldova and Ukraine. And if you ask the United Nations, 886 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. This is this is part of Moldova. 887 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: And uh if you ask the locals, Um, you don't, 888 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 1: don't ask him, just be cool, jeezs okay. Uh. And 889 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 1: then of course why is it hard to visit this place? Um, well, 890 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: because of its international status. That's controversial, you know what 891 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: I mean? Uh, figuring out like they don't require a 892 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 1: visa for foreigners, but you have to remember your going 893 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: into a region that has more than one government saying 894 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: they own it, you will probably be followed by local 895 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 1: security services a k a. Intelligence if you're a foreigner. Uh. 896 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,840 Speaker 1: And if you're getting a jam, your embassy is not 897 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,839 Speaker 1: going to be able to help you because you're like, hey, 898 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,439 Speaker 1: I'm in this country and I need help and being 899 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,280 Speaker 1: detained and they're like, oh, that country doesn't exist. Though. 900 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:01,040 Speaker 1: On being oppressed, I found a webs s called bend 901 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,399 Speaker 1: Ary b and d e r y dash fortress dot com. 902 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the same thing, but 903 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: man it's some fascinating history of the area, and I 904 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,319 Speaker 1: would highly recommend checking that out if you have a chance. Yes, yeah, 905 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: And this is the stuff I don't know about you guys, 906 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,880 Speaker 1: but I love to learn about. And we have one 907 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,840 Speaker 1: one kind of downer note and one kind of funny 908 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: note that we can maybe start to wrap things up with. Um. 909 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: So the downer note is that there are a lot 910 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: of museums that you will not visit simply because they're 911 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,280 Speaker 1: an unstable or failed states. One of the most notable 912 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,560 Speaker 1: tragic examples of this would be some areas of the 913 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 1: Middle East and museums in Somalia. Smalia is an ancient land. 914 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:57,359 Speaker 1: It's got millennia of history behind it. And just for 915 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: an example for some perspective, the first written record of 916 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: the words Somalia describing this area occurs in a book 917 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,920 Speaker 1: that was written three thousand, five hundred years ago. And 918 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: this book was a history book, so it was not 919 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: talking about current affairs. It was like a long time 920 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: ago there was this place called Somalia. I got short 921 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,960 Speaker 1: pants older than three thousand, five hundred years buddy, aren't 922 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,440 Speaker 1: aren't those just shorts? Yeah? I like to call the 923 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: short pats back when I was in short Pats, I 924 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: like that. Uh. So there there's it's it's heartbreaking because 925 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 1: there are priceless cultural artifacts there and they're part of 926 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: the story of humanity shared past. But you're probably never 927 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: going to visit the National Museum of Somalia. Uh. The 928 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 1: country is considered incredibly dangerous for foreigners, especially green travelers, 929 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: even though like both places in the world, many of 930 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 1: the people are amazingly welcome and kind. But corruption, crime, violence, 931 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,800 Speaker 1: terrorists of literal piracy are all on the horizon. They're 932 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 1: all on the menu. The U. S. State Department and 933 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,439 Speaker 1: honestly most Western countries have and across the board ban 934 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: against any and all traveled to Somalia. Like the only reason, 935 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: according to Uncle Sam, the only reason someone should go 936 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 1: there is for a military purpose. There is no like 937 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,440 Speaker 1: they don't want aid workers there. In g O's even 938 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: uh they warn against it. Um No. They also say 939 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen they threw that in. So I think in 940 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: a sad way, this encapsulates one of the big struggles 941 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: of humanity. You literally can't put a price on the 942 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,480 Speaker 1: importance of these artifacts, but most people will never be 943 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,480 Speaker 1: able to see them in person, and this stuff is 944 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,480 Speaker 1: occurring across the world in various war zones, and makes me, 945 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, it makes me think of the people who 946 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: are working at these museums, the ones who are keeping 947 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,960 Speaker 1: it open, you know, despite all the chaos and pandema 948 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: on i um and corruption. It seems like a thankless 949 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,880 Speaker 1: task to sort of keep the flame of knowledge alive. 950 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: You know. It reminds me of Foundation, which is a 951 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,000 Speaker 1: great series by Isaac Asimov. Those folks, I don't think 952 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,200 Speaker 1: we should say this lightly there heroes, you know, they're 953 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: not action movie heroes. Maybe, but no, you're right, You're right, 954 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 1: And I just wanna right now say thank you Robert 955 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,720 Speaker 1: Buyer for running the CIA Museum. Thank you, Robert. Listen, man, 956 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: We're trying to get in there. Any help you can 957 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 1: give us. We're big, We're big fans of the CIA Museum. 958 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 1: So well, let's touch on like some lighter stuff. So 959 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,720 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier. I think when you mentioned the Vatican, 960 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 1: you might be saying, hey, guys, where can I see 961 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 1: banned books from the Bible? Where can I find that apocrypha, 962 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,959 Speaker 1: those grim walls, those hidden secrets of this ancient organization? Well, 963 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,280 Speaker 1: your best bet is probably the secret Vatican Archive, which 964 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: does not me what you might think it means, and 965 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 1: as we established an earlier episode, getting access to that 966 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 1: is even more difficult than getting an invite to the 967 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 1: CIA Museum. It's such a messed up system. You can ask, 968 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: you can request to read anything in there, but you 969 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: have to specifically know what you're asking for. There's no browsing, 970 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 1: which I think is a very clever strategy on their part. 971 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 1: But I found one thing we can end on. And 972 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,440 Speaker 1: as we're not on a holy depressing note, this gave 973 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,520 Speaker 1: me a bit of a chuckle, we gotta shout out 974 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,480 Speaker 1: one more museum, the Conspiracy Museum. Did you guys hear 975 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: about this? There's a there was no no, I didn't um. 976 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: I I'm intrigued. So, I mean, does it have anything 977 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,920 Speaker 1: to do with the original conspiracy theory? It's uh. It's 978 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 1: funny because it was created by a person describing themselves 979 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,600 Speaker 1: as an Assassina bologist. It's located in downtown Dallas, right 980 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: across the street from the Kennedy Memorial, and we never 981 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,480 Speaker 1: got the chance to visit. The reason that none of 982 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,400 Speaker 1: us can go to this museum is that it closed 983 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: down at the end of two thousand six. As much 984 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,080 Speaker 1: as I think all of us would like the Conspiracy 985 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Museum itself to be the victim of a conspiracy something, 986 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: they got too close to the truth. Uh. If you 987 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: do a little digging, the demise is much more mundane. Uh. 988 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: They lost their lease and last we heard the museum 989 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 1: was going to be replaced by Quiznos. No, Quiznos is 990 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 1: not bad, but but laid low, laid low by Big Q, 991 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,720 Speaker 1: the first Big QUE, the other ones Q and on 992 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 1: and so since we were all big fans of museums, 993 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 1: maybe one great one of the best ways for us 994 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,439 Speaker 1: to end this is to talk about some of our 995 01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,080 Speaker 1: favorite obscure or weird museums. I'd like to get to 996 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: shout out, for instance, to the Museum of Jurassic Technology 997 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 1: over there in California. Yeah, I've always wanted to go. 998 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,640 Speaker 1: What's the deal? And it doesn't It's it's not what 999 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,640 Speaker 1: it sounds like. It is not a dinosaur museum. It's 1000 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: it's like weird. It's like a weird artsy kind of 1001 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: like museum. Right, what's the deal? Yeah? Yeah, I almost 1002 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm so pro spoiler, but not everybody is. 1003 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I almost don't want to explain it. I feel like, 1004 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,640 Speaker 1: next time we're in California, because we'll probably all have 1005 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: to go to l A at some point pretty soon, 1006 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 1: So next time we're there, let's just make a day 1007 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,160 Speaker 1: and go to the museum. It's a flint Stones exhibit, right, Okay, sure, 1008 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 1: so if you if you need to go back to 1009 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,320 Speaker 1: get your wallet. Uh, you can also check out the 1010 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 1: Museum of Jurassic Technology. But there's another one that you 1011 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: turned me onto recently, maybe because you shared it on 1012 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 1: Instagram and I think you visited. It's like a like 1013 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: an anti museum kind of or something like that, or 1014 01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,640 Speaker 1: it has like weird computer e kind of like I 1015 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 1: don't know, Gosh, I'm doing a bad job of describing it. 1016 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Can you remember what I might be referring to? It? 1017 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: Was it in New York? I think? So? Was it 1018 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,000 Speaker 1: really small? It was small? It was the museum. That's 1019 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,919 Speaker 1: exactly the museum. I follow them on Instagram and it's 1020 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 1: just like it's kind of like a weird art project 1021 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: of a museum, right, Like it's yeah, obscure, nonsensical technology. Um. 1022 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 1: Maybe in the realm of like what Mia Wolf might 1023 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,080 Speaker 1: do with like some of their weird art exhibits. Yeah, man, 1024 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,280 Speaker 1: it's um. It describes itself as object journalism, so you 1025 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: can find stuff like, um fast Like one exhibit for 1026 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:46,320 Speaker 1: a while was fast food from countries that have US 1027 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,160 Speaker 1: sanctions on them, so like Iran just has a homegrown 1028 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,960 Speaker 1: version of McDonald's, for instance. You can also see the 1029 01:03:55,160 --> 01:04:01,440 Speaker 1: d I y improvised UM gear that protesters and activists 1030 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 1: made to resist things like gas attacks, stuff like that. 1031 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, Um, it's amazing. I I really like that. 1032 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,800 Speaker 1: When it is small, it's not you're not going to 1033 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,760 Speaker 1: spend the whole day there. It is like one room. 1034 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,920 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, that's a that's a great one. Um. 1035 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Mutter Museum. That's a great one. I 1036 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,120 Speaker 1: have not been, but I'm a big fan of all 1037 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,240 Speaker 1: the imagery I've seen. Next time I'm in Philly, I'm 1038 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,840 Speaker 1: gonna make it a point to go. Um. Like I 1039 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,320 Speaker 1: just said, I just visited the Googgenheim, and it's the 1040 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,480 Speaker 1: building alone is worth the price of admission, which for 1041 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,680 Speaker 1: me was free because it was free museum Saturday. Um. 1042 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,280 Speaker 1: But that's like a really cool, weird Frankloyd right building. 1043 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 1: You kind of go around these like balconies that I'll 1044 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 1: circle upward and so you sort of organically experienced the exhibits. Uh. 1045 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: There was a Kandinski exhibit when I was there, and 1046 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 1: he's really neat and I hadn't really seen a whole 1047 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: heck of a lot of his work, and it was 1048 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,480 Speaker 1: really really right up my alley. UM a museum that 1049 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed that I went to several Gosh, 1050 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,080 Speaker 1: it was when I was in d C during the 1051 01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:06,200 Speaker 1: Women's March. UM. The International Spy Museum in Washington, d C. Uh, 1052 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: it's fantastic. It has everything from like you know, the 1053 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,800 Speaker 1: kind of little uh micro films hidden in you know, 1054 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: pens and things like that, and all kinds of weird 1055 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,480 Speaker 1: tools that were used by spies from all around the world. UM, 1056 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, recording devices, UM, cars retrofitted with like weird 1057 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,280 Speaker 1: you know, James Bond type of gear and weapons and 1058 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 1: things like that. UM. Lots of really cool interactive exhibits 1059 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,960 Speaker 1: and a really gangbusters gift shop. And also I always 1060 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: wanted to check out the Museum of Broken Relationships in Croatia. 1061 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,640 Speaker 1: That's my life right there right talking about Saunders. Uh 1062 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,920 Speaker 1: shout out. Did you want to recognize is that reference? Uh? Yeah, 1063 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:52,920 Speaker 1: that museum is it's a it's an assemblage of things 1064 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,320 Speaker 1: that people have donated when they have their hearts broken. Uh. 1065 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,479 Speaker 1: So you'll see wedding dresses, handcuffs, letters, all all kinds 1066 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,439 Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. And then I also wanted to give 1067 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,680 Speaker 1: a shout out to a museum that I I don't 1068 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna visit unless I happen to be in 1069 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 1: the area. But if you travel to rick Jevic Ricky Vick, 1070 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 1: you will. In Iceland you can visit the Phallological Museum 1071 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,120 Speaker 1: and it's museumally what it sounds like. Yes. Cool. There's 1072 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,360 Speaker 1: also the Museum of Sex in New York, which is 1073 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fun if you want to see weird 1074 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,720 Speaker 1: old porn and stuff and lots of historical sex toys. Uh, Matt, 1075 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,920 Speaker 1: what are some museums that you're you're fond of? Um? 1076 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:40,400 Speaker 1: My favorite is probably the Get Uh this is ah 1077 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,240 Speaker 1: I can't even do in this straight face. It's a 1078 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,880 Speaker 1: naughty collection of things found in Pompeii, recovered from Pompeii, 1079 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:57,480 Speaker 1: mostly pall imagery and frescos of you know, people having 1080 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: intercourse with another dog. Music ambass. Yeah, people are really 1081 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: into that. You know historically, Matt, I have to ask 1082 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 1: you not none of us have been to this museum yet, 1083 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,840 Speaker 1: but hopefully we can go one day. Do they have 1084 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:18,000 Speaker 1: the guy I consider the hero of Pompeii in there? No, no, no, 1085 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,120 Speaker 1: the hero of Pompeii. This is my mind. I'm arbitrarily 1086 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 1: voting this guy hero of Pompeii with absolutely no right 1087 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,040 Speaker 1: to do so, no qualifications. Uh. The hero in my 1088 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:33,800 Speaker 1: mind is, uh, the guy who perished during the volcanic 1089 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:41,720 Speaker 1: eruption at Pompeii. Uh mid quitas, uh practicing self love 1090 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,400 Speaker 1: thanking one. The idea is like he saw the explosion 1091 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,200 Speaker 1: and he said, I think I've got just enough time 1092 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,919 Speaker 1: to go out with a bang. Um. I'm messing with you, guys, 1093 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,479 Speaker 1: because I think if you fact check that it's there 1094 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,280 Speaker 1: is a there in the ruins, there is someone who 1095 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,120 Speaker 1: looks like they die that way, but it's probably just 1096 01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,240 Speaker 1: a miscaption. You kind of wonder if I mean, surely 1097 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,280 Speaker 1: some couple died in the act of a love making. Sure, 1098 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 1: it's a big city, you know, some some people payers 1099 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,640 Speaker 1: doing weird things. A weird way to end this episode, 1100 01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,280 Speaker 1: you guys, But we can talk more if you want to. 1101 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Learn more about that. It's it's also called the Secret 1102 01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,439 Speaker 1: Museum or the Secret Cabinet. Uh. 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