1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, It's Thanksgiving week and everyone is talking about 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: eating turkey, stuffing and cranberry. But today, Oh, Mother Knows Death, 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: we will be talking about eating people. On today's external Exam, 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: we will examine cannibalism. Mother Knows Death Presents External Exams 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: with Nicole and Jimmy. First, let's discuss what is cannibalism. 6 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: Cannibalism is when one species of animal eats the same 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: species for food. So, for example, if your dog eats 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: dog meat for dinner, the same can also be said 9 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: for humans eating other humans. Cannibalism always makes me think 10 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: about the first time I saw an autopsy. I always 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: joke that this job doesn't gross me out, and that 12 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: I could eat a hamburger over a dead body. But 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: the first time I saw an autopsy, I felt a 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: little bit differently. I mean, after all, when you cut 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: open a human, it's the same as cutting open an animal. 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: And when I saw the human ribs I was not 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: able to eat Chinese spare ribs for a really long time. 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: So cannibalism has been documented throughout history and many different 19 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: cultures all over the world. Most of the time cannibalism 20 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: is frowned upon, but in some societies, it's totally normal. 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: There's a book by the American Museum of Natural History 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: titled Cannibalism, A Perfectly Natural History, and it discusses how 23 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: during the Chinese Yan Dynasty, royalty and upper class citizens 24 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: dined on various different types of prepared humans that were baked, roasted, broiled, 25 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: smoke dried, and sun dried. Children were considered the tastiest, 26 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 1: followed by women and last men. And I would venture 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: to say this is because of fact content. This remained 28 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: widespread in China until the late nineteen sixties. These humans 29 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: did not eat each other out of necessity. They did 30 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: it because they thought people tasted good. And then there 31 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: is Rick Gibson. Rick Gibson's a Canadian sculptor and a 32 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: performance artist. In nineteen eighty eight, Rick was given preserved 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: human tonsils in alcohol by a friend. He was hoping 34 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: to make a pair of ear rings out of these tonsils, 35 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: but instead he decided to eat them. On July nineteenth, 36 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, he stood on a corner in London, 37 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: put the tonsils on a cracker with some spread and 38 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: a garnish, and ate them in public. About a year later, 39 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: on April fifteenth, nineteen eighty nine, he publicly ate a 40 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: slice of human testicle in London. A few months later, 41 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: he tried to do it again in Vancouver, but the 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: testicle urduv was confiscated by Vancouver police. He later tried 43 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: again and successfully ate another slice of human testicle. I 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: really cannot tell you why Rick Gibson ate human meat 45 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: other than he was a starving artist get it. In fact, 46 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: there are many reasons why a person decides to eat 47 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: human flesh. Let's talk about the different types of cannibalism. 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: Cannibalism can be broken down into three main categories. Cultural. 49 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: Throughout history, some cultures would eat the remains of people 50 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: in their tribe as part of the grieving process or 51 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: because of cultural superstitions endo cannibalism. The Kawai tribe, the 52 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Korwai tribe from New Guinea, Indonesia, is thought to be 53 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: one of the last tribes who still practice cannibalism. The 54 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Kori live deep in the rainforest and many of them 55 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: have never seen an outsider. Many members of the tribe 56 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: are completely unaware of our modern world and have no 57 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: knowledge of diseased germs or accidental deaths. Few outsiders have 58 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: been able to observe the Krawai tribe and their cannibal practices. 59 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: The Korai believe that mysterious deaths that happen in their 60 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: village are a result of the Quaqua, a witch that 61 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: takes over the form of man. The tribe believes that 62 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: this witch wants to kill people and comes disguise dressed 63 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: as a friend or relative. They think that this witch 64 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: invades their loved ones and then eats their insides while 65 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: they sleep and replaces their insides with fireplaced ash. Should 66 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: they do not know they are being eaten, then the 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: witch shoots a magical arrow into the heart and kills them. 68 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: When a member of this tribe dies or is about 69 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: to die, it is the duty of the Korai tribe 70 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: to seize and kill the Kaqua witch. Once they kill 71 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: one of their own tribe members who they believe had 72 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: been taken over by the Quaqua, they treat the body 73 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: like they would treat the flesh of a pig. They 74 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: cut off the legs separately and wrap them in banana leaves. 75 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: They cut off the head and it is given to 76 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: the person who found the Kaqua. Then they cut off 77 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the right arm and the right ribs as one piece 78 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: and the left as another. They eat everything except the 79 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: hair nails, and you guessed it, the penis. Children under 80 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: thirteen are not allowed to eat it because they believe 81 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: eating the kequa is dangerous and the evil spirits all 82 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: around make children too vulnerable. If you ask the member 83 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: of the Korwai tribe why they eat humans, they would 84 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: argue and tell you that they do not eat humans. 85 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: They only eat kekua. Okay, now we're going to talk 86 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: about the Four Tribe. In some cultures, consuming the meat 87 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: of a dead person is done with the intent of 88 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: taking on some of the traits of the dead person. 89 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: The Four Tribe, also from New Guinea, would cook and 90 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: eat family members after they died, which was thought to 91 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: invoke the spirit of the dead, and in some sense 92 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: they were doing just that. Women and children were primarily 93 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: consuming the brains of the dead family members. And you 94 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: should never eat brains. Why because of prion disease. Prions 95 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: are not the classic organism we think about when we 96 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: think about transmissible diseases like viruses and bacteria. Prions are 97 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: abnormal proteins that can cause transmissible spongeiform and cephalopathy, which 98 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: is similar to mad cow disease, but in people. Prion 99 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: disease has a long incubation period. It can be years 100 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: or decades before a person starts to show symptoms after exposure. 101 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: Even though this tribe stopped eating their dead family members 102 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties, tribe members started popping up with 103 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: an unusual disease called kuru years later. Kuru is a 104 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: prion disease and was mostly found in women and children 105 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: of the tribe because they were mostly eating the brains 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: during the rituals. Now, we're going to move on to 107 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: exo cannibalism. This is the consumption of a person outside 108 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: of a community, usually a celebration of victory against a 109 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: rival tribe. Necro cannibalism. This type of cannibal eats an 110 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: already dead person to survive. Now we're going to talk 111 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: about one of the most famous cases of this, which 112 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: is Uruguayan Air Force Flight five seventy one. Would you 113 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: eat another person to save your life? In nineteen seventy two, 114 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: a college rugby team from Uruguay chartered a Uruguayan Air 115 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: Force plane to take the team from Montevido, Uruguay, to Santiago, Chile. 116 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: The flight initially left Uruguay with forty passengers and five 117 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: crew members. Due to the poor weather conditions in the 118 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Andes Mountains, the flight had to land and stay overnight 119 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: in Mendozo, Argentina. They were cleared to leave the next afternoon. 120 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: The flight departed at two eighteen PM and just after 121 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: three PM air controllers then cleared the plane for descent, 122 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: but shortly after lost communication with the plane. The pilot 123 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: had misjudged the location of the plane, which was still 124 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: in the Andes and crashed around three thirty PM. As 125 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: the plane tumbled down the mountain, it lost both its wings, 126 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: the talcone, and part of the fuselage, which is the 127 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: central part of the plane where the passenger and cruise its. 128 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: The remainder of the plane eventually slid down into a 129 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: snow bank in a remote valley of Argentina near the 130 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: border of Chile. Twelve people died during the initial crash, 131 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: with thirty three left to survive the harsh conditions of 132 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: the mountains. Shortly after the crash, a search rescue was 133 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: underway with no luck, as clearly the pilot misjudged their 134 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: initial location. Rescue teams quickly looked to the Andes However, 135 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the snow covered mountains made it incredibly difficult to spot 136 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: the remains of a white aircraft. After eight days, the 137 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: search was called off with the assumption that there were 138 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: no survivors. Over two months after Flight five seventy one crashed, 139 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: the remaining survivors were finally rescued on December twenty second, 140 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. Out of the thirty three people who 141 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: survived the initial crash, only sixteen survived. So how did 142 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: they survive? Survivors of the initial crash got to thinking 143 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: quickly and used parts from the plane such as seat luggage, DeBras, etc. 144 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: To create sufficient shelter. They relied on additional clothing found 145 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: in luggage to keep as warm as possible. While most 146 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: of the plane's fuselage was intact, it did not provide 147 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: much relief from the harsh weather conditions and eventually killed 148 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: an additional eight passengers sleeping inside when an avalanche hit. 149 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: For about a week, the remaining survivors were able to 150 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: eat any leftover food on the aircraft. This mostly involved 151 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: candy and wine, but quickly they ran out from here. 152 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: They were desperate and resorted to eating cotton and leather 153 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: from the plane seats. It was clear after a week 154 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,359 Speaker 1: that rescue efforts were not sufficient, and the remaining survivors 155 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: were willing to do anything to live. Robert Cassenna, a 156 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: survivor who was nineteen at the time of the crash, 157 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: stated in his memoir, we knew the answer, but it 158 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: was too terrible to contemplate. The bodies of our friends 159 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: and teammates, preserved outside in the snow and ice contained vital, 160 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: life giving protein that could help us survive, but could 161 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: we do it. Initially, the survivors had deep moral concerns 162 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: about eating the deceased, as they were all devoted Catholics. Later, 163 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: in the media, one survivor claimed that they were influenced 164 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: by the Last Supper, in which Jesus gave his disciples 165 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: bread and wine that he stated were his body and 166 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: his blood. This perspective helped with the media backlash after 167 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: survivors revealed that they resorted to cannibalism on day nine. 168 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: The difficult decision was made and a pact was formed 169 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: that if any of them died, they could eat the 170 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: deceased for sustenance. Robert used broken glass from a window 171 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: to cut off frozen flesh from the deceased. They decided 172 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: to consume the pilot and co pilot first, as they 173 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: were strangers. Two months after the crash, Robert and another 174 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: survivor decided to take their own journey in search of health. 175 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: After days of hiking with no map or supplies, they 176 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: got the attention of some men across a river. The 177 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: men alerted authorities and the remaining survivors were rescued. Now 178 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: we're going to get into this historical case of cannibalism, 179 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: the Donner Party. In another case of survival cannibalism, a 180 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: group of American pioneers headed west on the Oregon Trail 181 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: in hopes of a better life, but unfortunately were left 182 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: trapped in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Journeys on the Oregon 183 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Trail typically lasted four to six months and came with 184 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: great risk. About ten percent of voyagers did not make 185 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: the journey west. The Donner Party, originating in Illinois, departed 186 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Missouri on the Oregon Trail in the spring of eighteen 187 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: forty six. The group of eighty seven decided to go 188 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: on a relatively new path, Hastings cut Off, which was 189 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: an alternative route for those seeking settlement in California. Many 190 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: peers advised the group against taking the alternative route, stating 191 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: that the terrain was not suitable for wagon travel. This 192 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: new route extended the time of the journey and created 193 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: many issues down the line. The rugged terrain along this 194 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: trail caused the loss of wagons and horses, further slowing 195 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: down the journey. By November, the group reached the Sierra 196 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: Nevada Mountains. As a result of poor planning, they became 197 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: trapped by heavy snowfall with little supplies. About a month 198 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: after becoming trapped, fifteen of the settlers ventured out in 199 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: search of help. Several days of wandering the snowy terrain 200 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: left them weak and starving. They even contemplated human sacrifice 201 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: or a duel between the two men. Fortunately for them, 202 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: some of the group members died from natural causes and 203 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: left them with enough food to regain strength. Seven of 204 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: the fifteen members who ventured from the remaining stranding group 205 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: made it to California and formed a rescue plan for 206 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: the others. Of the eighty seven original group members that 207 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: left in the spring of eighteen forty three, forty eight survived. 208 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: Today's episode is brought to you by Arteri Inc. Arteri 209 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: Inc's my favorite company that sells apparel for medical professionals, 210 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: and the reason that it's my favorite is because they 211 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: represent more obscure professions in the field of medicine. 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It was 239 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: a whirlwind romance between Omema, a twenty three year old 240 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Egyptian model, and her husband, fifty six year old Bill Nelson. 241 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: In late nineteen ninety one, Omema met Bill, who was 242 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: a pilot after living in America for about five years. 243 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: A few days after meeting, the two married, and things 244 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: would turn deadly in only a month. In their brief relationship, 245 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: Omema claimed that Bill had sexually assaulted her, and after 246 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: an attack on November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety one, which 247 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: was Thanksgiving Day, she had enough. She stabbed Bill in 248 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: his chest and stomach with a pair of scissors and 249 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: finished him off with a clothing iron. In a moment 250 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: of blind rage, Omama began to cut up Bill's body. 251 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: She even castrated him, which is removing his testicles as 252 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: of revenge for the times he abused her. Omeima spent 253 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: hours attempting to get rid of Bill's remains. She mixed 254 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: some of his body parts with turkey leftovers to disguise 255 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: them in a trash bag, shoved other bits down the 256 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: garbage disposal, which neighbors told investigators they heard running for hours, 257 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: and eventually boiled his hands in an attempt to remove fingerprints. 258 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: She then stuck his head in the freezer to deal 259 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: with him later. Now this is where the crime really 260 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: takes a turn. Court documents detailed a conversation between Omeima 261 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: and her psychiatrist. In the session, she admits that she 262 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: quote did his ribs just like in a restaurant. It 263 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: is so sweet, it's so delicious, I like mine tender. 264 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: She actually took Bill's ribs, which she dismembered after the murder, 265 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: and cooked them in barbecue sauce and ate them for dinner. 266 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: She was sentenced to twenty seven years to life in prison, 267 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: and she will be eligible for parole. In twenty twenty six, 268 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: So you know, she'll probably get released and get some 269 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: kind of a cookbook deal or something. Okay. On to 270 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer. Jeffrey Dahmer has been more in the limelight 271 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: as of late, and is arguably the most famous cannibal. 272 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Jeffrey killed his first victim at the young age of 273 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: eighteen in nineteen seventy eight. This crime took place in 274 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: his childhood home, and he hid the remains in the 275 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: crawl space underneath of his house. It would be almost 276 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: a decade before his next murder, while living in his 277 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: grandmother's house. All in all, Dahmer was thought to have 278 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: killed seventeen men, but was only convicted for fifteen. He 279 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: was eventually caught in nineteen ninety one after one of 280 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: his victims escaped and drew attention to the haunting scene 281 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: in his Milwaukee apartment. Dahmer's apartment had been recounted as 282 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: one of the most horrific scenes in true crime history. 283 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: When police searched the apartment, they found the remains of 284 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: eleven men. Dahmer had a fifty seven gallon barrel in 285 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: his bedroom filled with hydrochloric acid to dissolve the skin 286 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: off of his victim's skeletons. At the time of his arrest, 287 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: police found three torsos dissolving in the acid. Also in 288 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: his bedroom was a drawer full of polaroids showing the 289 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: deceased victims and acts of necrophilia, which is sex with 290 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: a dead person. He once stated he took the photos 291 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: to remember the beauty each victim once had. Dahmer kept 292 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: a reserve of some body parts in his freezer to cook. 293 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: There were also three decapitated heads and a human heart 294 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: in his refrigerator at the time of discovery. While Dahmer 295 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: never denied his killings, he could never fully explain what 296 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: drove him to start eating the body parts. He stated, 297 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: at first it was just curiosity, then it became compulsive. 298 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: He also noted to investigators that biceps tasted like beef. 299 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Eric Hickey, a professor of forensic psychology, explains cannibalism 300 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: as the ultimate form of control over a victim, commenting 301 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: that quote eating their victims gives them a sense of 302 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: power because their victims can never leave. Doctor Hickey goes 303 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: on to explain that cannibalism is often the result of 304 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: obsessive sexual desire and experimentation. He says, quote, you don't 305 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: usually see people jump from killing to eating. It starts 306 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: with watching people sleep, then drugging victims, then you want 307 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: to be with someone who's buried or unconscious, and then 308 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: it progresses from there. Jeffrey Dahmer was known for drugging 309 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: his victims, and he was even banned from certain clubs 310 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: and bathhouses for doing it. Based on doctor Hickey's explanation 311 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: and Dahmer's admitted compulsiveness, it definitely makes sense that Dahmer 312 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: would progress to this horrific behavior. Jeffrey Dahmer was sentenced 313 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: to fifteen concer executive life sentences in nineteen ninety two, 314 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: but he was beaten to death by a fellow inmate 315 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. Ed Gain Going back a few decades, 316 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: the search for a local missing woman would lead police 317 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: to a truly horrific crime scene. In November nineteen fifty seven, 318 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: a local hardware store owner, Bernice Warden, went missing. This 319 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: was an incredibly rare instance for the time, especially in 320 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: such a small town. The only clue left behind was bloodstains. 321 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: Police looked through her records from the store and the 322 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: last receipt that she wrote out for the day was 323 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: a man named Ed gain who went into the store 324 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: to purchase antifreeze. Police went to Gaines's house, who lived 325 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: in an isolated farm right outside of town, and immediately 326 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: found Bernice. She was decapitated and hanging by her ankles. 327 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: The farmhouse was filled with bones, human organs, and even 328 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: crafts and furniture made from human remains. Some of the 329 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: items they discovered included mass made from faces, a belt 330 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: made of nipples, a lamp shade made from a face, 331 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: a pair of lips acting as a window shade, drawstring 332 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: and chairs, and a pair of leggings made from human skin. 333 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: Gain immediately admitted that he had kidnapped his victims in 334 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: addition to robbing graves for female remains. He then told 335 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: police he was trying to create a quote woman's suit 336 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: that he could wear to become his mother. She had 337 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: died a decade prior, and he was obsessed with her, 338 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: even leaving her favorite rooms of the house boarded up 339 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: to preserve their pristine condition, while the rest of the 340 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: house was a scene out of true crime hoarders. Does 341 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: this idea of a woman suit sound familiar? Ed Gain 342 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: is said to be the inspiration for Buffalo Bill in 343 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: the Silence of the Lamb's movie and Norman Bates in 344 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: the Psycho movie. Even though those movies are fictional, it's 345 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: extra scary to know it is sourced from a true story. 346 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: While he never admitted it, many believed that ed Gain 347 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: participated in cannibalism. He was said to be obsessed with 348 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: reading about the topic, and human remains were discovered throughout 349 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: his kitchen. If we approach his crimes from a psychological 350 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: point of view, he had an obsessive build up, just 351 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: like Jeffrey Dahmer. His mother had died in nineteen forty five, 352 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: leaving him alone in their family farmhouse. He was obsessed 353 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: with her, and he slowly began to take extreme measures 354 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: to resurrect her. Although police found remains from as many 355 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: as forty bodies in his home, ed only admitted to 356 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: killing two of them. He maintained that the rest of 357 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: the women were from graves that he had robbed over time. 358 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: These gruesome acts granted him the nickname the Butcher of Plainfield. 359 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about Albert Fish. Lastly, in the true 360 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: crime Time Spectrum comes the serial killer Albert Fish. While 361 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: many are not as familiar with Albert Fish as Dahmer 362 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: and Gain, he is thought to have influenced the character 363 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: of Hannibal Lecter. At twenty years old, Fish moved to 364 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: New York City, where he began his life as a criminal, 365 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: participating in male prostitution and raping young boys. Albert later 366 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: recounted the beginning stages of his interest in sexual mutilation 367 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: when a lover took him to a wax museum. At 368 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: forty years old, in nineteen ten, Albert became involved with 369 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: a mentally disabled young adult. Shortly into their relationship, Albert 370 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: took the man to an old farmhouse, where he tortured 371 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: him for two weeks. While Albert intended to kill his lover, 372 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: he ended up just mutilating him by cutting off half 373 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: his penis, as he feared the heat would draw attention 374 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: to a dead body. A few years after this incident, 375 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: Albert began having hallucinations and harming himself by inserting needles 376 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: into his groin. An X ray later revealed that he 377 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: had twenty nine needles lodged in his pelvic region from 378 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen to nineteen thirty. Albert's violent fantasies fully came 379 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: to late. He began harming and murdering young children, stating 380 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: that he felt God was commanding him to do so. 381 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: Albert's reign of terror would eventually end with the murder 382 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: of Grace Budd in nineteen twenty eight. Albert met Grace 383 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: after her brother put an ad in the New York 384 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: World seeking a job. Albert posed as a farmer looking 385 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: to hire Edward, although his true intentions were to mutilate him. 386 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: He convinced Grace's parents to have her accompanying him to 387 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: a made up party for his niece, but instead took 388 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: her to an abandoned house, where he killed her and 389 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: then ate her. Several years later, an anonymous letter was 390 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: sent to Grace's parents, and it is too disturbing to 391 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: read here. Police investigated this letter, and while the beginning 392 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: parts could not be verified, the events surrounding Grace's disappearance 393 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: were accurate. What ultimately led police to Albert was a 394 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: small detail on the envelope. There was a small emblem 395 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: with the letters NYPCBA representing New York Private Chauffeur's Manipulate Association. 396 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: A janitor for this company told investigators he had some 397 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 1: of the stationery at his rooming house, and he had 398 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: left it there when he moved out. Turns out that 399 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: Albert had been staying in the rooming house. Police arrested 400 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: Albert at the rooming house in nineteen thirty four and 401 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: he did not deny the murder. Okay, let's get into 402 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: some modern day cannibalism. I think most people would find 403 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: the idea of cannibalism disgusting. However, cannibalism has played a 404 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: role in the history of medicine and it's still popular today. 405 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of placental encapsulation? Eating your placenta 406 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: has become all the rage. These people who are pro 407 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: eating placentas say that it offers health benefits to help 408 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: with postpartum depression and boost the milk supply. People like 409 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: me who are anti eating placentna say that humans are 410 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: not cats, and its gross and its cannibalism. Although cannibalism 411 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: has been sensationalized in Hollywood with films like Silence of 412 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: the Lambs and Dahmer, it becomes very real, disturbing, and 413 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: unsettling when you learn the real facts of these cases. 414 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: If you still have a taste for cannibalism. You can 415 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: see the photos that go with these cases at the 416 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: grossroom dot com. Cannibalism is rare, but just last year, 417 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: a Michigan man was sentenced to life in prison after 418 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: admitting to killing and eating the genitals of a male lover, 419 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: admitting that he was involved in a violent sexual fetish. 420 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: We can see the cases of Dahmer and gain in 421 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: their obsessive compulsiveness and mental disorders led them to cannibalism. 422 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: Well why Omema. The killing could be justified as a 423 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: result of abuse, but why cooks ribs? Just because human 424 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: remains can be cooked and apparently taste similar to other 425 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: mammals we consume, doesn't mean they should be so after 426 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: all of this cannibalism talk, are you still craving your 427 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner? Thank you for listening to mother nos death. 428 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant. 429 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy 430 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: and pathology education. I am not a doctor, and I 431 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without 432 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. 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