Speaker 1: Forever. Look mad oh, I see you, my oh mine
Speaker 1: and look over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness,
Speaker 1: last culture. You gave the little punch on that and
Speaker 1: try a little bit of as I say, verve, little
Speaker 1: extra verve, little extra. Oh oh, Matt, Wait, what's going
Speaker 1: on when you know we've had a tenure relationship? Yes,
Speaker 1: in a decade long. Yes, couples therapy should consider it. Uh.
Speaker 1: There are rumors of multiple podcast co hosts that have
Speaker 1: done it, that actively do it still really Yeah. I
Speaker 1: won't name names, but there are there are like you
Speaker 1: know famed, you know, storied couple, like we know du
Speaker 1: the duhos that have gone through a couple of therapies together. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have a feeling how I know how our therapy
Speaker 1: session would play. It would be Bowen, calmly expressing how
Speaker 1: oftentimes I talk over him and take up all the
Speaker 1: air in the room, and then it will be fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty two minutes of me crying loudly about how
Speaker 1: that's not true in a minute session. In a minute session. Yes,
Speaker 1: and the the I almost called it a moderator. The
Speaker 1: therapist Chris would say in that Carrie Fisher tone math,
Speaker 1: we have to stop, and we wouldn't be asked back.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't be asked back. I'm sorry, Martha. Can I
Speaker 1: apologize to you about what I'm annoying? No, you're not.
Speaker 1: The reewers of this podcast say she's annoying that review.
Speaker 1: Can you read it aloud? I think someone they took
Speaker 1: it down. They did because I think someone saw your
Speaker 1: story and they flagged it. So you you stick your
Speaker 1: fucking fans on this poor person. Here, you have this
Speaker 1: poor person who said the following, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'll ever forget it go quote it. Matt Rogers
Speaker 1: is so annoying. What what else? He's a bad singer
Speaker 1: who gives me Frankie Grande level attention seeking level. I
Speaker 1: hate you. But also he dropped in Bowen Yang and
Speaker 1: all the guests are excellent, excellent with an excellent with
Speaker 1: an ax C E L L A N T. So
Speaker 1: there you go. I mean, and if that person is listening,
Speaker 1: we don't mean to mock your spelling, but because you
Speaker 1: know what, spelling is subjective. It's actually a rule of
Speaker 1: culture number three. Spelling is subjective. I don't know my words,
Speaker 1: but I do know my heart, and that's a frequent
Speaker 1: thing I say on this podcast. So maybe me and
Speaker 1: this review are more connected than we possibly could ever imagine.
Speaker 1: So sorry, I mean, see, now you're putting the emotional
Speaker 1: labor on me to forgive you, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm ready, So just give me my own time.
Speaker 1: So how do we communicate? How do we go on?
Speaker 1: How do we go on? You? I think we only
Speaker 1: speak through UM, HP and H p J. I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I want to talk to them. No, Matt
Speaker 1: and I and HP A is so cute. He's sitting
Speaker 1: over there. That's a little cutie. Um. I think we
Speaker 1: are doing just great. We've really you know, we've had
Speaker 1: some rocky some rocky patches in our friendship and we've
Speaker 1: we've we've weathered every storm and I think we've been
Speaker 1: through our lowest moments. I would how would it get worse? Um,
Speaker 1: if you fucked my mom? I don't feel that. I
Speaker 1: don't feel that that's the way my mom and my
Speaker 1: chemistry your your mom and my chemistry is. You've met
Speaker 1: her once. I met her once, and I feel like
Speaker 1: the commistry was very positive. I just didn't feel sexual
Speaker 1: to me. Don't How dare you rule that out. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, I know what I like. I think at
Speaker 1: this point in my life, I think I like boys mowing. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think it's time. You know who I do like.
Speaker 1: Beautiful guests are beautiful guests. This therapy, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is climbing, climbing, climbing the charts, baby, honey, forget about climbing.
Speaker 1: Perched up on top. It's on the perch, honey, honey,
Speaker 1: it's on a redwood It's not a redwood tree. It's
Speaker 1: not a redwood tree. Perched there's no branches though, not
Speaker 1: even a one, not not a branch, but famously redwood trees,
Speaker 1: they have no branches through the culture, numbwood trees have
Speaker 1: no branches. I think they do. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think we've we've debunked it, we've debunked well. These are
Speaker 1: two fantastic, fantastic people, stunning comedians. Um, and they are hosting,
Speaker 1: uh this this new fantastic podcast, Couples Therapy on how
Speaker 1: Stuff Works. Um. We just did their live show so
Speaker 1: last night truly one of the most positive performing experiences
Speaker 1: they've had. I had a really fun time with you
Speaker 1: on age, such a fun time. I'm not being hyperbolic.
Speaker 1: This was really so fun and just effortless. And it's it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a credit to uh how they build
Speaker 1: up the audience like they how they sort of set
Speaker 1: the tone in the room for the audience and the
Speaker 1: concept of the show and um, just everything. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just so well paced. It wasn't weighed down by you know,
Speaker 1: hosting bits or anything like that. It was just that
Speaker 1: was so it was so effort it was so some
Speaker 1: of these hosts, let me tell you, they weigh the
Speaker 1: show down now. And I'm saying, we wait, sometimes we
Speaker 1: do that, and we're also we're all susceptible. But you
Speaker 1: know what, these two, for your fucking self, are just
Speaker 1: so charming on stage. So I cannot have you in
Speaker 1: this gravelly state for the rest of the Sorry, don't
Speaker 1: saddle the episode with this. No, no, I can't wait
Speaker 1: to bring these these these guests and because I cannot
Speaker 1: deal with for the rest of the episode online today,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. But you must check
Speaker 1: out their live show. The next one is an Alley
Speaker 1: at the Virgil Saturday, Saturday, October six, a day after
Speaker 1: a Star is Born comes out. Yes, absolutely, and that
Speaker 1: is it's before stars born and after those are the demarcations. Um,
Speaker 1: please welcome into your ears. Andy beckgra Man and Naomi
Speaker 1: at Pagan Kangan Queen. Guys, guys so much. First of all, all, uh,
Speaker 1: if I can, yeah, I mean I we do actual
Speaker 1: couples there. Yeah, really great. I would like to point
Speaker 1: out Bowen, you walk out into a into a trap.
Speaker 1: You said, oh my god, thank you. You said, let
Speaker 1: me just point this to you said, you said, let
Speaker 1: the man finish? What manness? What could you do to
Speaker 1: ruin this relationship? You said, fuck my mother, and then
Speaker 1: he said I would never and then you said, what
Speaker 1: you don't find her attractive? It was crazy, a trap
Speaker 1: and emotional bear trap up in his heart. Well, and
Speaker 1: this is the thing, you know, and that can be
Speaker 1: so hard when you have this relationship and bits are
Speaker 1: what give you life, but also what can be so unnerving, right,
Speaker 1: you want to commit to a bit, but then we're
Speaker 1: all these delicate creatures, heney, because we're just crazy. Only
Speaker 1: I'm only just now realizing my trauma. I'm only just
Speaker 1: not realizing that I've been through something traumatic. I'm coming
Speaker 1: here on both side. But I'm gonna talk about you guys,
Speaker 1: you will get to hear Bone and Matt's hilarious live
Speaker 1: set on our podcast Couples Therapy, making the oh you
Speaker 1: know it is. I will say I do want to
Speaker 1: call back to something a little spoiler alert, you know.
Speaker 1: But when Matt they did talk on stage about you know,
Speaker 1: the sliding scale, what to find, what to do, And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you we can hook you up with a
Speaker 1: therapist for fifty dollars or under serious, under right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: there was a point at which I was seeing someone
Speaker 1: in New York for dollars a session and she had
Speaker 1: a degree. And so if it's possible for me to
Speaker 1: find somebody, and you know the way you feel about
Speaker 1: finding the right person, I got all sorts of triggers.
Speaker 1: You gotta be white, but not too white. You got
Speaker 1: to use the right language. You can't be you can't
Speaker 1: be black. And in my mother's age group, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be triggering. I'm gonna need too much approval. I can't
Speaker 1: be honest, you can't be a man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I get it like needing to find
Speaker 1: that perfect person. But I get this because your relationship
Speaker 1: is much like our relationship. You I'm I'm a bow
Speaker 1: and I'm in the bone. Yeah. Definitely, you guys together,
Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna find. Yeah. Bits can either be
Speaker 1: the melted cheese and your grilled cheese sandwich, or they
Speaker 1: can be the rocks in Virginia Wolf's pocket another. I
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna go into it like there's gonna
Speaker 1: be another component of grilled cheese or the rocks in
Speaker 1: your suicide. I okay, So how as a couple, how
Speaker 1: are you a bit driven couple? Would you say? Andy's
Speaker 1: much more into bits and I'm not really here for bits? Okay?
Speaker 1: That way, I'm the Naomi, you know. Yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: the one who's just pulling them out, and I don't
Speaker 1: want them in my life. I'm constantly on you got honey,
Speaker 1: I get off the clock and I'm off the clock.
Speaker 1: I come home, a take off my pants and card.
Speaker 1: Take card in. It says five o'clock. There's a whistle.
Speaker 1: Do you see what? It's not accurate and I wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone, you know, we don't have an
Speaker 1: old school nine eighties punch cards. You're correct, windstones, ask whistle,
Speaker 1: you're correct. But we didn't necessarily need to go to
Speaker 1: a flintstones place. I was already discussing my disrobing routine,
Speaker 1: and that you took it to a flint and that
Speaker 1: is he's always taken it to a flintstones place. I listen,
Speaker 1: there's at least one flint stones ref each app that
Speaker 1: flintstones is a part of culture. And we have we
Speaker 1: talked about the flintstones and not talked about Hannah Barbara.
Speaker 1: And we've not even touched on Hannah Barbara. Where's all
Speaker 1: the Mutley talk? Can Mutley? Half the time? I don't
Speaker 1: know the referend I And that's me with Bowen. So
Speaker 1: that is also that whenever with you. I grew up
Speaker 1: without cable, and I'm always like, what the are you talking?
Speaker 1: Always using a big word. Oh God, I feel like
Speaker 1: we're playing risk. There's so many changes, lilliances. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that only two of us are going to
Speaker 1: walk out of this room. That's the most crazy thing
Speaker 1: about it. It's gonna be And I think, oh, do
Speaker 1: you think I would die? Now we're on the same side.
Speaker 1: I don't know you would trust me. Your death would
Speaker 1: be accidental and by your own hand friendly fire would
Speaker 1: be what's my death? Oh? No, you obviously wouldn't know
Speaker 1: your own let oh yeah, sorry, your own lack of
Speaker 1: strength like Andy would go in not realizing. No, you
Speaker 1: do have strength, but in various arenas, and if you
Speaker 1: don't go into the right arena, something could go down.
Speaker 1: You have to really make sure that you're in the
Speaker 1: right arena. Actually, real of culture number, you can really
Speaker 1: make sure you're in the right arena. Now, I this
Speaker 1: is interesting. This is a this is We've had a
Speaker 1: couple of you know, duo guests um to Guesters episodes,
Speaker 1: but this is an interesting prefer it, I prefer they're interesting.
Speaker 1: This is the first one where the permutations of the
Speaker 1: alliance is the agreements is the game. I think we
Speaker 1: can say right now that the game is a foot.
Speaker 1: Is this gonna be a murder on the Orient Express?
Speaker 1: Only good? Yes, absolutely, the title of that title of
Speaker 1: that murder on this Orient Express? Okay, oh that was
Speaker 1: seven Borrient Express. Boy, because it and there and there
Speaker 1: it is, and there's the bed, there's the and there's
Speaker 1: the punt. You took it to a bit place. You
Speaker 1: took it to a flintstone place. There's flint stone multi
Speaker 1: vitamin bit. It's a living can I tell you something
Speaker 1: about therapist? And I did share this on on this
Speaker 1: on stage. I am scared. I don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of therapist I would want because if it's a man
Speaker 1: and he's gay, I would think I would want that
Speaker 1: because I want them to understand, like you know, maybe
Speaker 1: some hang ups I have in certain ways. But I
Speaker 1: would sexualize my therapist. But what if he was old?
Speaker 1: And that's as that makes you an agrest see but
Speaker 1: stop getting in my head. I have to I can't
Speaker 1: win in this town. Are you afraid? Are you afraid
Speaker 1: of changing as a person? Been fraid of changes? Yes,
Speaker 1: very much so I'm very scared to change. Actually, are
Speaker 1: you my nervous? That could be if you tell you
Speaker 1: we are you namely are you doing couples and individual?
Speaker 1: I have to find a new person since we moved
Speaker 1: to l A. Because I was skyping. We actually we
Speaker 1: skype with our couple's therapist still in New York because
Speaker 1: he's just that good. Give him up he is that
Speaker 1: we could and Andy, are you are you trying to
Speaker 1: have the same set up where it's couples an individual?
Speaker 1: I gotta find a new my my therapist here in
Speaker 1: New York you know. When we moved to l A,
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you, we're done, and she's great.
Speaker 1: She was great, But I need someone now who's gonna
Speaker 1: like push me a little more like that was she listened.
Speaker 1: She was like, are you sure you wanna? Do you
Speaker 1: want to change your relationship with your parents or you
Speaker 1: want to just let it be this? I see de
Speaker 1: tount until they to the stage, I see do we
Speaker 1: have a suggestion where I seeunt no honey, a drag
Speaker 1: queen Andrew. Okay, when I said you could come do
Speaker 1: this podcast with me, I told you to read a
Speaker 1: have you what a great game? Have you guys ever
Speaker 1: done this game? Improv? Team name or queen? That's really good. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's very good. In your face I love in your
Speaker 1: face my love. And that's the phrase that we use,
Speaker 1: and I love it is being written down as I
Speaker 1: think Emma is writing it down. We have we have
Speaker 1: a hot producer, Emma hp and of course h p
Speaker 1: A is sitting over there in the corner. He said
Speaker 1: he's gonna stay for the first twenty minutes, sorry bitch.
Speaker 1: So we couldn't be more entertaining for you. He needed
Speaker 1: to be compelled, He needed to be compelled walking at now.
Speaker 1: Don't look, he's he's watching Succession on his phone. Everything
Speaker 1: everyone is really rot tonight, and we're delicate and we
Speaker 1: are we are and that's okay. And this is what
Speaker 1: therapy is. It's about coming and being real with your
Speaker 1: rawness because honestly, right, I love what was really great
Speaker 1: about your set, and we don't have to keep harping
Speaker 1: on it, but it is the real, the ten year
Speaker 1: history and what we're constantly telling comics. When we asked
Speaker 1: him to come, It's like, if you're a comic, right,
Speaker 1: and so you have the ear for what's funny or
Speaker 1: when to stop or when to move on, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But if you have two people with a shared history,
Speaker 1: you don't have to The humor is gonna come, right,
Speaker 1: like if you're just like honest with it, and you
Speaker 1: guys bring so much to the table, especially you know
Speaker 1: obviously you're so comfortable working together. But then it's just
Speaker 1: I didn't know you guys went until you said, I
Speaker 1: didn't know you guys went back to N y U days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did not know that. It Also I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, a decade. For a decade, you guys
Speaker 1: were sumptious. You're a twelve course meal of comedy and emotions.
Speaker 1: We could have kept Toney know and I was also
Speaker 1: I was like I just let them go, but then
Speaker 1: we were like, we have to go, but it was
Speaker 1: like I need to know more. It was the perfect
Speaker 1: length of show. It was truly ninety minutes. Max. I
Speaker 1: agree with well, I don't think it's Honey often goes
Speaker 1: two hours. But but but that's a special like little
Speaker 1: it's a special event. And you're getting so many people, right,
Speaker 1: but this like anything normal? No one is that funny
Speaker 1: for that long? Yes, nothing is nothing, nothing is I
Speaker 1: totally agree. But you're getting Adam Sandler film. Why don't
Speaker 1: have to throw it out of Sandler? I like happy
Speaker 1: Gilmour and like we love Adam the other there's no reason.
Speaker 1: That's like using carrot Top as a who were like
Speaker 1: the icons of comedy that So it's like, I guess
Speaker 1: that that did movie after there was obviously Adam Sandler.
Speaker 1: I guess what you could say Ben Stiller that he
Speaker 1: was a little after them. But yes, and then there
Speaker 1: was another one not one woman terrible who did movie
Speaker 1: after movie after movie terrible. I guess now we have Schumer. Well,
Speaker 1: now we have Melissa mccarthyis movie and move. She's got
Speaker 1: a lot move Oscar bus for what forgive Me? She
Speaker 1: is in a biopic that's coming out. Apparently it's a
Speaker 1: dramatic turn from her. They're saying, even in a crowded
Speaker 1: field this year, that Melissa McCarthy is a shoe in
Speaker 1: for Best Actress nomination alongside are our favorite al Gaga
Speaker 1: ms Gaga. No wait, what's in the biopick? Who she portraying? Uh? Lee,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Coca, not exactly. Yes, a woman she would do.
Speaker 1: She was, she was a forger. Oh yes, and you
Speaker 1: know Brandon Scott Jones is in that movie, right, Yes, guy,
Speaker 1: he's in the trailer as well. Yes, yes, Oh we
Speaker 1: saw the trailer for this. It looks great. And I
Speaker 1: remember hearing about the film because she had Oscar buzz
Speaker 1: for it. And then when I saw the trailer, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, there's b s Is that
Speaker 1: what he was hanging out with Rebel Wilson. Know he's
Speaker 1: hanging out the Rebilson because he shot a movie with
Speaker 1: her that I'm in where I play his boyfriend only
Speaker 1: at the very end. And he sent me he texted
Speaker 1: me a photo of our scene and I look discuss
Speaker 1: it looks so bad and see, this is what's crazy,
Speaker 1: and this is why I need therapy is because Bowen
Speaker 1: has now centered the conversation around around himself and I
Speaker 1: was trying to celebrate a friend. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's you're making fun of me now, making fun of
Speaker 1: saying my truth. And this therapy because now because now
Speaker 1: look at it, Naomi and Andy, they're just like, what
Speaker 1: do we do? I can talk about the film? Well, no, no.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like, Andy's ready because he's a
Speaker 1: judge with a gabble. He's like, I'll tell you who's right.
Speaker 1: I was feeling like when you seeing like whenever I
Speaker 1: see myself in something, I'm like, oh, I'm gross. Yes,
Speaker 1: that that's that. That's just how I am, because you know,
Speaker 1: we're we all have everyone has. It's very common. Everyone
Speaker 1: has that thing where it's I can't hear your voice
Speaker 1: or you can't. I have a very intense process in
Speaker 1: the morning of like looking at myself in the mirror,
Speaker 1: being like you can go out there into the world. Oh.
Speaker 1: He takes longer to get ready than I do. And
Speaker 1: I think it's it's the mental game. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's yeah, because I'm always like, what are you doing
Speaker 1: in there? And once you explained to me it was
Speaker 1: a mental psyching yourself up, I said, go ahead, but honestly,
Speaker 1: that's so much work though, and you just let that go.
Speaker 1: That's that was the big thing in my therapy and
Speaker 1: the first fight. Yeah, what does that mean? Because it's
Speaker 1: a it's a metaphor, it's a physical metaphor. But what
Speaker 1: does that mean mentally or emotional? Mentally? This is what
Speaker 1: it means. It means a thought, a thought crosses your mind.
Speaker 1: And it's not about not feeling. It's not about just
Speaker 1: rejecting it so knee drically, but it's just about acknowledging it,
Speaker 1: holding it, letting it take up a take up space,
Speaker 1: and then just letting it back out. Right, But what
Speaker 1: does that none of the process they're physically if there
Speaker 1: was a physical if it was like defecating, and I
Speaker 1: could understand, sure, I'm not I know I used a
Speaker 1: technical term. I'm not. I'm over simplifying it a little bit.
Speaker 1: But like in my practice, it's just been like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I can just for a little bit longer not
Speaker 1: think about it until I have to think about it again,
Speaker 1: and and inevitably you will think about whatever the thing
Speaker 1: is again. But how do you excrete that feeling. It's
Speaker 1: not about excreening, it's not about it's not about expelling.
Speaker 1: It's just about just just taking it, letting it back,
Speaker 1: letting it back out into the wild, and then it
Speaker 1: will it will come back at some point, and then
Speaker 1: then you'll do the same thing. Well, this is why therapy.
Speaker 1: That is the part of therapy that makes me crazy,
Speaker 1: because I kept feeling like I am giving you money
Speaker 1: to fix me and you are not fixing me. I
Speaker 1: don't feel ship you're not paying us by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm no. That's why that it's great, right, the beauty
Speaker 1: of a podcast is here for this circular. The reason
Speaker 1: why I really yeah, the reason why I've never really
Speaker 1: sat down and actually went and now I think that
Speaker 1: is going to change. I feel like I must go.
Speaker 1: Um is because I've always been pretty good at knowing
Speaker 1: why I feel the way I feel, or at least
Speaker 1: that's what I've always told myself. And I've always been
Speaker 1: pretty good at um, you know, bouncing back, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm like even now like, this is
Speaker 1: not a good time for me. I get weird seasonal
Speaker 1: depression in August and September. I don't know why going
Speaker 1: back to school feeling it. It's maybe that it's like
Speaker 1: in your brain from it could be that, but like
Speaker 1: I because I know that this, this is this is
Speaker 1: what happens to me. Now, I'm like, well, that's what
Speaker 1: happens to me. Now, I'll get better, but I'd rather
Speaker 1: not feel that every year, right for two months a time? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, what you're saying about comments? For instance,
Speaker 1: I you know, since we've started podcasting, you know, I
Speaker 1: can't read the comments. I've never read the comments, but
Speaker 1: I've got we got one and I've actually gotten a
Speaker 1: little bit better at it. And this is where I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm slightly more fixed than I thought I was,
Speaker 1: right because in the day to day doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1: But we got a comment where it was like, literally,
Speaker 1: person said, my new goal in life is to never
Speaker 1: hear these hosts voices again. It's they get so creative
Speaker 1: with their negative but then they're they're not but then
Speaker 1: it's like a stupid hack thing. But it's also like,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess what it is the comments. There
Speaker 1: are plenty of things I don't like. Many people are
Speaker 1: dead to me, most people are garbage. But I have
Speaker 1: never felt compelled to say that, to go in a
Speaker 1: public forum and create an account, yes, to post a
Speaker 1: nasty comment, And so I think that's what's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: the level of hatred you must feel, that's what is
Speaker 1: shocking to me, right, that's what shakes me to my core. Right,
Speaker 1: so then how are you more fixed to that? Because
Speaker 1: you don't You don't have to do that because now
Speaker 1: so now I was like, okay, that is one human.
Speaker 1: That person's not well as opposed to being like, is
Speaker 1: there a way to surgically change my voice? Right? Yea?
Speaker 1: Was Barack Obama? Like I found out that Barack started
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast and was like, I need to
Speaker 1: tell Matt Rodgers that he is annoying him. Did you
Speaker 1: do that just to do your impression? Yeah? I just
Speaker 1: wanted to check. But this is okay, But Naomi's hear
Speaker 1: it for next year? Oh my god. They only's touching
Speaker 1: on something that I have found very useful. Is the
Speaker 1: quickest way to like not care is to take pity.
Speaker 1: And you're just like this person who left that I
Speaker 1: hate you comment like couldn't. Here's what I did. I
Speaker 1: went and looked at two Do Queens and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: here's like one of the most popular podcasts. Let's look
Speaker 1: at their com and it was similarly filled with hatred.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, okay, hatred born of itself,
Speaker 1: like not not not in reference to anything particularly, just monsters,
Speaker 1: just monsters full of poison who need to get the
Speaker 1: poison out otherwise they'll just like die in their parents
Speaker 1: basement is whatever it is, y, yeah, it's basement. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: they could be like a very you know, functioning, successful
Speaker 1: person living above ground who just has hate in their hearts.
Speaker 1: It was just just like a scorpion that's backed up
Speaker 1: and it's just and it's it's and when I say
Speaker 1: take pity, it's different from like like trying to like right,
Speaker 1: you don't make them bad? Oh, like what you must
Speaker 1: have a lot happening that this is or not enough happening,
Speaker 1: not enough happen. This is across the bear that I'm
Speaker 1: your problem, if I'm your biggest problems. Can I say
Speaker 1: one thing, though I do think there are trolls for us,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into the whole thing, but
Speaker 1: there are I believe that there are. I believe that
Speaker 1: there are trolls specifically, yeah, who aren't happy with us,
Speaker 1: who are trolling you in what way because of because
Speaker 1: of being an interracial relationships what you're saying, Listen, let's
Speaker 1: just say. Let's just say there are trolls without going
Speaker 1: that are specifically targeting us. There are there are people
Speaker 1: who might like not like us, and that's fine, but
Speaker 1: there are also there's a subset that are specifically where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that's that's, that's this, and we feel
Speaker 1: that it's this. Yeah yeah, you're like, okay, well cool,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but it's not. It's you're not trying to
Speaker 1: like dunk on them or anything. You're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're this collective, You're just a rat king of disgusting,
Speaker 1: a rat king of disgusting thought. That's why I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of Bowen. He has that, he had that just
Speaker 1: in him. He said he could describe a girls person
Speaker 1: as a rat. A group of people, Wow, a group
Speaker 1: of people are this that king of disgusting thought? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's artistry, it's eloquence, it's beautiful, psychically tether there's
Speaker 1: psychic tethers. What what is Okay, here's we're gonna, we're gonna,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this beautiful right now. What is the
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing? Oh my god, I would say the
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing about Andy is his optimism and work
Speaker 1: ethic combined. You are someone who keeps at it. I
Speaker 1: am someone who literally is like, take me now, literally
Speaker 1: the tiniest, tiniest failure, Take me now. I can't be bothered.
Speaker 1: And I don't and I don't think it is like
Speaker 1: this like white male cockiness. Give it to me. It's
Speaker 1: a true like I enjoy this work and that joy
Speaker 1: means good. It will bear fruit and that will see
Speaker 1: you through the rest of time. It's beautiful, and he
Speaker 1: is Andy Beckerman is one of the hardest working people. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's true. Now you must say, I will I'm a
Speaker 1: diet speechless, so thank you. That's very nice. Like he's
Speaker 1: for the listener, he is like covering himself with a
Speaker 1: hoodie because he feels very bald. Totally totally well. This
Speaker 1: is a couple's therapy, so open up all into the max.
Speaker 1: There's a lot about Naomi. I'm trying to like, pick
Speaker 1: one one specific thing to say it emotional. I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that I always say is Naomi's
Speaker 1: freedom with her emotions, and that's the thing I most
Speaker 1: admire about her, and so I think it is the
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing that you are even when I lay
Speaker 1: in bed all day because I'm depressed. I mean, I
Speaker 1: find freedom I feel for you in those moments. But
Speaker 1: I just mean your ability to as someone who who
Speaker 1: was us for most of his life, um to have
Speaker 1: it is a joy to have you in my life
Speaker 1: as a I mean, as for you in your entire
Speaker 1: three dimensionality, but also as this as this person who
Speaker 1: is almost like uh, you know, leading me through the
Speaker 1: hades of emotions, leading me through the nine levels. Another
Speaker 1: poetic moment, poetic, A truly poetic moment, you, guys, I
Speaker 1: totally truly hows a beautiful moment to witness? So happy?
Speaker 1: I asked that question, will you officiate? Afiate? You really
Speaker 1: drawn out and then will tell me afterwards that I
Speaker 1: talked to him much. What if we had what if
Speaker 1: we had Naomi a string of officiants that would each
Speaker 1: do a different part of the ceremony. That would be
Speaker 1: good because it would be the different parts of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great, we really want to do. I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be like like fucking quirky. I'm not coming
Speaker 1: at you with a dactionell moment. I do want to Yes,
Speaker 1: you are not You are not a new girl. You
Speaker 1: are an old girl. Hello, I'm an old girl. That's
Speaker 1: my show. That's me living with three men. Be like,
Speaker 1: get out my house. I want, like, I do want
Speaker 1: a wedding that is very reflective of our personalities and
Speaker 1: not the cutter fund. But what I found, as you know,
Speaker 1: we looked at the more personal stuff is even when
Speaker 1: it looks d y, I, it's actually more expensive than
Speaker 1: you just went to a hotel because those places they
Speaker 1: do waitings for a living, they got a whole setup.
Speaker 1: You just pick. It's like you want them. You want
Speaker 1: the plates to be buff, tope or baige, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they have a whole fucking family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that feels custom is custom, and you pay for that exactly.
Speaker 1: There's a place along the island that we looked at
Speaker 1: that was actually pretty affordable, um Fox Hollow. So I
Speaker 1: don't mean yeah, yeah, I forget what We're not gonna
Speaker 1: say that bad about that. Yeah, So it was nice.
Speaker 1: It was affordable, and there was like part of the
Speaker 1: package was like people come in, got some food like
Speaker 1: when you were coming to the ceremony, so if you
Speaker 1: were hungry you could get through the ceremony. At the end,
Speaker 1: you got warm pretzels as you were leaving. And they're
Speaker 1: like all these different things, but it was just very
Speaker 1: like cookie cutter, like we couldn't do much in between.
Speaker 1: Like I'm all for like feeding people all the time,
Speaker 1: but they were like during the receiving line, we'll do this.
Speaker 1: And I was like, we're not doing a receiving we
Speaker 1: don't want to receiving line. We don't want the first dance.
Speaker 1: We don't want like a daddy daughter dance or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And I was like, but they like that's
Speaker 1: the package, right, like you get that thing. And it
Speaker 1: was like and I was like, oh, I want to
Speaker 1: do something a little different. But then I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you want to go like bite chairs and rent caterers
Speaker 1: and like every little bitten piece. And it's been definitely
Speaker 1: like a thing that we're like we've been engaged five
Speaker 1: years and that yes, like and it's under completely understandable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want it to be the culmination of the loving judgment.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like the wedding is just planning. It
Speaker 1: is truly crazy but unnecessary. Yes, but there's no way
Speaker 1: around it because literally, you call a venue in the
Speaker 1: moment you say wedding, it's this, this and this. You
Speaker 1: say party, it's another thing. But if you show up
Speaker 1: that the moment they see you in address attacking on them,
Speaker 1: there's no way to really like make that lie. It's
Speaker 1: an industry and it's going to be an industry wherever
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, so it's just like all the end
Speaker 1: of time. Maybe we should ask her agents to call
Speaker 1: on our behalf. Then they'll have to get ten percent
Speaker 1: of everyone's gifts. Absolutely, I mean you have had their
Speaker 1: manager like organized their bachelorrette parties really as I could
Speaker 1: never I mean, but it can be done, right. I've
Speaker 1: been to I would say I've been to many weddings,
Speaker 1: but the thing is like there was one that I
Speaker 1: think was like so perfect, and it was my cousin
Speaker 1: Jesse's wedding. It was outside and it was like not religious,
Speaker 1: and it was like they she walked down the aisle
Speaker 1: to um somewhere over the rainbow version. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: so beautiful and I think some people might think that's
Speaker 1: like basic, but it was gorge Um, it was so
Speaker 1: gorge and like look so good and like it was
Speaker 1: like just great, I got to walk my grandmother down
Speaker 1: the like it was just so it was so good.
Speaker 1: And then like, honestly, what I love is you have
Speaker 1: the wedding and then like it's like a hundred yards
Speaker 1: away the party space. Yes it's not it's not multipurpose,
Speaker 1: but it's not far. It's on site. Yes, well, I
Speaker 1: mean I wanted to be a one stop shop definitely,
Speaker 1: and just like I also wanted to be that type
Speaker 1: of wedding. I don't want a wedding where I don't
Speaker 1: know half the people there. It's like, can you please
Speaker 1: just like, well, that was the problem. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: go into that because that's what our own podcast is for,
Speaker 1: but don't bring it to flint Stones. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's always but no, I mean you guys, you know
Speaker 1: you have a magical friendship dynamic for the ages. It's
Speaker 1: a fun dynamic. And I tweeted today in the light
Speaker 1: of all this Burton earning news and I are both
Speaker 1: birth Burton, Earning and Statler and Maldar, we contain multitudes.
Speaker 1: O the right, the creator of the right, the one
Speaker 1: who the person who conceived of them, has said in
Speaker 1: an interview recently that he only thought of them as
Speaker 1: being a couple and as a gay man. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were I wrote them as a couple. But then
Speaker 1: Sesame Workshop, like the larger institution behind Sesame Streets, that
Speaker 1: put out a statement said no, as we've always said,
Speaker 1: they are best friends, they are not gay. Um. While
Speaker 1: they do identify as male and share many qualities with
Speaker 1: human beings, they remain puppets and do not possess sexual orientation,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. Every puppet has so like, every puppet
Speaker 1: on that show has characteristics, Like one of them is like,
Speaker 1: you know what. I talked about this in the last episode.
Speaker 1: But it's just crazy too to pretendet all these brimming
Speaker 1: with eros and or gone and all that kind of energy.
Speaker 1: Again with the Greek poetry, I mean all that. Here's
Speaker 1: a question though, UM. Now, personally the idea of representation
Speaker 1: in children's um cartoons or in children's programming is appealing,
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I don't like when adults
Speaker 1: go back and like rhet coan sexuality into children. We
Speaker 1: were talking about j. K Rowling in the last episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's how she's been kind of doing that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's there, well with j. K rown
Speaker 1: like she should have just written it in there, like
Speaker 1: that's her own cowardice. One might say that she did right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's nothing like literally you cannot sexually. There's some
Speaker 1: nothing I hate more than when someone says their child
Speaker 1: they're toddler, their baby is flair king or is a
Speaker 1: lady killers like anything for a baby. You're like, what
Speaker 1: it's like, don't say that, because what you're doing is
Speaker 1: you're attaching sexuality to my kids exactly. Or even parents
Speaker 1: do it to their own kids, and it's just like
Speaker 1: to that, you know. But the same person who does that,
Speaker 1: we'll then have a problem with a with a puppet
Speaker 1: being possibly get it's like you already told me your baby,
Speaker 1: fucking why do you gonna put that out there? And
Speaker 1: it gives a kid a complex a little bit of
Speaker 1: I mean, of course it does. I can say that
Speaker 1: it does because it's like it attaches the fact that
Speaker 1: your looks are something that you should always be conscious
Speaker 1: because that's what they always say. Like Kelly Clarkson was
Speaker 1: recently quoted in an interview as saying, like I never
Speaker 1: tell my daughter you look beautiful, you look beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: I say, you're so smart, you're so you're so funny,
Speaker 1: you're so this because it's important to instill, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's like this is like a new wave
Speaker 1: parenting with lots of parents raising kids now know this.
Speaker 1: But it's like this is the first time I was
Speaker 1: woken up to it. But growing up, you know, handsome,
Speaker 1: like it, like it's cute, attracted. You know that it
Speaker 1: gets attached to you at such an early age and
Speaker 1: when you're forming, you look in the mirror and then
Speaker 1: you become conscious of that as one of the things
Speaker 1: that you're like good at, right, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I think it happens with women. Well, I think definitely
Speaker 1: your values. I don't know about you. I mean, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I have seen photos you were a darling boy. Um
Speaker 1: I've seen no, but but no, when you were younger,
Speaker 1: like I was not like I was not cute or
Speaker 1: that picture. But that's not how I was talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I had like, you know, my cousin
Speaker 1: SUPs like, oh, she's cute, she's pretty, she's this. That
Speaker 1: was never the way I was characterized. So even you
Speaker 1: know now as an adult, it's not where I kind
Speaker 1: of put my stock, or it was also not just
Speaker 1: not where I put my stock, but I just assumed
Speaker 1: the upper it was true, right, which is exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, which is as kids complex either way, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can really do about it because people
Speaker 1: are still going to be who they are. And that's
Speaker 1: something you say when you and you're trying to be nice,
Speaker 1: but it's just that thing. It's just like, no matter what,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be sucked up somehow stimula, you're gonna respond
Speaker 1: to it somehow. I'm just saying that, Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: when you say that to someone and they're a child,
Speaker 1: and I have a childlike understanding of these things. It's
Speaker 1: a symptom of a sick culture that's going down the too.
Speaker 1: And you know what, some babies be fucking baby, I
Speaker 1: almost fucking from a young toddler. Sure, who wasn't not
Speaker 1: people the thing? Yeah, who didn't put their consent was
Speaker 1: not a concept who didn't put their wiener into I
Speaker 1: rubbed it on so many strange I used to suck
Speaker 1: the ship out of my pillows and that's a fact. Pillars.
Speaker 1: Pillows are great. I used to put something I had
Speaker 1: a relationship with one of my pills for three years?
Speaker 1: What are those longer than I was with her? And
Speaker 1: he has a question. There there were these little it's
Speaker 1: like constructor legos, but they were like these tubes that like, uh,
Speaker 1: what are those mugs that like get pushed down with
Speaker 1: like accordion. It's like these little collapsable things. You could
Speaker 1: put your penis in them if you were a kid,
Speaker 1: I would say I sucked it, know exactly? Also, was
Speaker 1: this the purpose? You said you could put yours in
Speaker 1: them if you were a kid. And one of the
Speaker 1: things on the box that it was like but it
Speaker 1: was like is not included? You can fuck this. It
Speaker 1: was teaching you how to how to use a condom almost,
Speaker 1: but it was like a construction thing. Not really, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, an adult penis wouldn't fit in them.
Speaker 1: Too big. Have you ever seen an adult penis? Naomi?
Speaker 1: They're huge. You're just You're just asked me this rhetorically,
Speaker 1: like he's telling you an example of ay, bet you
Speaker 1: could as a young toddler trial, or that I did
Speaker 1: or that he did. I didn't want to put you
Speaker 1: on blast. I wanted that to be your story to tell.
Speaker 1: We're very open on this podcast. We say what we fucked, Yes,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say that I fucked it. I would
Speaker 1: say that it was just I was exploring. It depends
Speaker 1: on what is is. Bill Clinton would say, great questions,
Speaker 1: Oh god, what it was was utterly meaning less, that
Speaker 1: that was like national news. Okay, I think we we're gonna,
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna adapt the question that we always
Speaker 1: ask on this podcast, but to both of you as
Speaker 1: a collective unit, and then we might and then I
Speaker 1: think Bowen saying he's done with the conversation about sucking
Speaker 1: an animate objects, and honestly I respect it. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Now. Okay, So I want to ask what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made both of you say cultures?
Speaker 1: For me? But this is to ask, was there was
Speaker 1: there something that you guys experienced culturally together early on
Speaker 1: or even like later on recently that's sort of set
Speaker 1: things off in a new direction. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: What was the culture that, like you said, culture was
Speaker 1: for us as a couple as like, like, was there
Speaker 1: a movie that you guys saw together like or was
Speaker 1: Loving getting the nomination for the kind of award? That's
Speaker 1: not true? Why what is this loving? The movie loving
Speaker 1: about the interactional couple and the well, sometimes the bits
Speaker 1: are close to real and it's very hard to tell,
Speaker 1: and sometimes the bits have ambiguous syntax. Because you said
Speaker 1: it was loving as in the verb loving and said
Speaker 1: the title, no, it is, it is ignore him. I
Speaker 1: live in a world of ambiguity, guys. We know that.
Speaker 1: What I think it's important for us to come on
Speaker 1: here as a couple is to let the listeners know
Speaker 1: anything as possible. And you never know where you'll find
Speaker 1: love and connection, you know, the most unlikely places. One time,
Speaker 1: Indian I were on the street earlier and we kissed.
Speaker 1: This old black lady looked at as she goes, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: You never know where you're fine love No, And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, do you guys have a hotline?
Speaker 1: Tell her call in yes and she'll be like I
Speaker 1: remember seeing them. I talked about it for days. She
Speaker 1: was like, you never know. I was like, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we are a post racial America.
Speaker 1: That was back when people thought that was the thing,
Speaker 1: but when culture was for us. I mean, there were
Speaker 1: definitely things. For instance, the moment we got together where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we have more in common than
Speaker 1: we think. The first time I went to his house,
Speaker 1: I saw that he had the entire series of Buffy
Speaker 1: the Vampire Slayer and Angel on DVD, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you and I could be friends. I loved Buffy. I
Speaker 1: was like so into it and never finished Angel. So
Speaker 1: literally the first thing I did when I got to
Speaker 1: his house at dat, I was like, can I borrow
Speaker 1: your DVD? What you know is like I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: you again and exactly. And so that was definitely the beginning,
Speaker 1: like a cultural touchstone of like, oh, we share this
Speaker 1: interest from our past. From my point of view from
Speaker 1: being the weirdo in the relationship, it was strangers with Candy.
Speaker 1: It was the fact that we both like strangers with
Speaker 1: Candy and that we both bonded over loving Amy Saidaris,
Speaker 1: That's true. That was definitely one that we were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that is a thing. When you're talking to someone knew,
Speaker 1: it's so exciting to find out that you have like
Speaker 1: whether it's like something from your past or a strong
Speaker 1: interest together, because it truly it gives you something just
Speaker 1: to talk about. Definitely, and especially I think something I
Speaker 1: think you're right with Strangers with Candy because not only
Speaker 1: was it a long time ago, like but I remember
Speaker 1: like not a lot of people watched it. It was honestly,
Speaker 1: probably wasn't until I got into comedy that I started
Speaker 1: to meet people watch that show. It wasn't until college
Speaker 1: for me to people be like, oh my god. Like
Speaker 1: they'd be like, I spell the TV and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: where what's that from? And then they'd be like Strangers
Speaker 1: with Candy and I was like, oh my god. And
Speaker 1: Jenny Jaffee was the first thing that brought that to
Speaker 1: me was the first YEA, such a wacky genius. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Brills. Those are great answers. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: that that's sort of refracted from either person that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought it was Buffy. I thought it was Strangers
Speaker 1: than the Candy. But there's also it like melds into
Speaker 1: each other, like it flows into and this in the
Speaker 1: way that like I'm like, yes, I see what I
Speaker 1: get it, and yes, it was for me too, especially
Speaker 1: like the Buffy Musical, which Naomi was in in college
Speaker 1: as a stage version of the buff Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what do you feed it? Very like that? It was
Speaker 1: like doing like that, like we're giving me like characterized
Speaker 1: beautiful with character with emotion contours, lady day. Um that
Speaker 1: episode I watched recently um under like a very intimate
Speaker 1: setting with someone else, because he was like, because I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get into I'm trying to get into buffet
Speaker 1: and then something and then and he and he loves it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, we'll start watching with you.
Speaker 1: And then we were both just very wine drunk, and
Speaker 1: then he could he put on the musical episodes like
Speaker 1: You're gonna love us, and it's like, yeah, great, and
Speaker 1: then like halfway through was like, wow, I can't believe
Speaker 1: John Sweden wrote all the music. I also think you
Speaker 1: cannot watch the musical episode in Isolation really does lead up,
Speaker 1: you know, especially because that's what Josh is into, Honey,
Speaker 1: he's into taking it. But it's what is it? What
Speaker 1: is it? Like season four or five, six, six, so
Speaker 1: exactly you came in on late where you're like who
Speaker 1: are they? And I got to tear through a hundred
Speaker 1: episodes that it's that episode. They always talk about the
Speaker 1: silent episode and then and hush and then the body,
Speaker 1: which is the one where is dead that season from
Speaker 1: the Mother, her Mother, her Mother, her Mother, which I
Speaker 1: just read like a whole piece on that episode the
Speaker 1: other day about how it was like one of the
Speaker 1: most critically acclaimed episodes of television of that the nineties
Speaker 1: was a great time for telegration, and I guess that's
Speaker 1: why they keep trying to make it happen again. That's
Speaker 1: there's like sad though, it's like these reboots are hurt
Speaker 1: in my heart. Yeah, it's like too. But I'm also like,
Speaker 1: if you go reboot reboots on my black nineties show,
Speaker 1: a reboot of Amen, where's my reboots? Family Matters, Living Single?
Speaker 1: If Moesia came back, if that would be the slay
Speaker 1: of Oh my god, who would be the new Moesia Brandy?
Speaker 1: Oh so Brandy is doing now? Okay, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: see that. I can say she's looking right. You can
Speaker 1: never do like your Scotts. You can never do like
Speaker 1: a fresh Prince reboot without well well that can't you
Speaker 1: want to call it like what was their last name?
Speaker 1: What about with mean? What if you had it with
Speaker 1: me with me? He goes, yeah, So it's three and
Speaker 1: they played Brothers Titans and one guy is always getting
Speaker 1: tossed out the jazz Jeff, Oh my god, I do
Speaker 1: you think the ad lib guy gets paid as much
Speaker 1: as a dancer in a SCO band? But back then
Speaker 1: they who do you think gets paid more a the
Speaker 1: dancer in a SCO band or an ad guy in
Speaker 1: a rap group? I'm gonna says, they're like swimming and jewels, honestly,
Speaker 1: And I think like the guy in a SKA band
Speaker 1: who just like pick it up, doesn't know what they say,
Speaker 1: and he just like dances or stops around. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's always like a friend who came on the tour,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like he's just there
Speaker 1: for a hot band. He's not getting any kind of faith, man,
Speaker 1: you know what? No what I'm remembering now. I loved
Speaker 1: hanging out with Mr Cooper, Yes, because I was a
Speaker 1: t g I F fan. Yeah? Do you because not
Speaker 1: having Table regular seventh that was like Boy Meets World? Yes,
Speaker 1: the clueless TV show, the clueless TV show You Are
Speaker 1: Younger than Me? Yes, the Clueless TV show that was
Speaker 1: past I was hunting. I was coming up on a
Speaker 1: Perfect Stranger's Family Matters by step. I think you at
Speaker 1: one point was family ties in there. I don't know, Yes,
Speaker 1: that was like, oh no, all of those I would
Speaker 1: watch all in your act you reference right or Strong
Speaker 1: and Angel Forget Hurt. That, yes, as as like a
Speaker 1: early interracial couple that you saw in pop culture the nineties,
Speaker 1: honestly was ahead of that. Do you think that that
Speaker 1: actually put that in your mind as a possibility? That
Speaker 1: and going to school white boys. It was a combination
Speaker 1: about because obviously I was surrounded by these whites um
Speaker 1: and these boys weren't checking from me. And then I
Speaker 1: got to watch this TV show where it was happening
Speaker 1: and she had like natural hair. I feel like she
Speaker 1: was there something you to me. And I feel like
Speaker 1: she was also visibly thirty seven older, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're like I feel like they were maybe twenty three
Speaker 1: and she might have been thirty, but it was like
Speaker 1: I could just tell not that she was old, but
Speaker 1: like I was like, you're like a mature aman, And
Speaker 1: I was very into it. Did they address that on
Speaker 1: the show or it was it kind of just like,
Speaker 1: see that's thing I don't think I ever really remember
Speaker 1: them doing like a special episode if I'm black, right right, right,
Speaker 1: right right, Which is that like is that like magical
Speaker 1: to pretend to pretend that they've never had that conversation,
Speaker 1: I think is like bizarre. I mean that And the
Speaker 1: thing there was something, um, there was a movie that
Speaker 1: came out a few years ago and Carrie Washington and
Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson, and it was it was it was they
Speaker 1: had been married for like four or five years. And
Speaker 1: the reason why I couldn't get into the movie is
Speaker 1: because they had a neighbor. They were like a married
Speaker 1: couple in suburbia, and they had a neighbor who like
Speaker 1: took issue with the fact that they were interracial. And
Speaker 1: then the movie was pretending like it was the first
Speaker 1: time they had had the conversation. I'm like, that's insane,
Speaker 1: right right, if that was the first time they had
Speaker 1: noticed pushed back right, And it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like a it was a playwright who had
Speaker 1: written the movie, and the scenes were very kind of stagy,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, maybe as a play where
Speaker 1: like your sense of just your your disbelief is suspended
Speaker 1: because it's like you want to watch these scenes play out,
Speaker 1: but like cinematically it didn't work. Also, like, honey, we
Speaker 1: saw crash, you know. I mean, I'm not even willing
Speaker 1: to see these scenes play out, you know. Um that's
Speaker 1: like we we dealt with that stuff early on. Well,
Speaker 1: my favorite though, I don't find a silver lining okay,
Speaker 1: because I noticed black men only like give side I
Speaker 1: or say something under their breath, like if me and
Speaker 1: you're walking, if I'm looking good, Okay, if I'm looking good,
Speaker 1: they got a problem with my as is regular they
Speaker 1: like taker, you know what I mean. And so now
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, oh, if he mad, that means
Speaker 1: my face is beat. That's my silver the barometer. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, if you Oh, if they're mad, that
Speaker 1: must mean I'm looking guy that you might be wanting.
Speaker 1: It's a rule of culture number. If they're mad, you're beat.
Speaker 1: That's whenever I step out of the house and people
Speaker 1: are angry at me, I'm like, I must look stunning.
Speaker 1: I must be a sleigh right now, I must be
Speaker 1: the ten at a tend beauty. Absolutely, was there a wait?
Speaker 1: Is this is this a fair question to ask? In
Speaker 1: reverse with Andy? Like was there? No? It was right?
Speaker 1: I mean like was there like any sort of like
Speaker 1: mental model for you and in that same way or no,
Speaker 1: like no, because I was brought up like my parents
Speaker 1: never they when I was younger, they're like, here's some
Speaker 1: words that you don't say because they hurt people's feelings.
Speaker 1: And then here's like bad words that you don't say
Speaker 1: in front of the Rabbi, like funk or whatever. And
Speaker 1: so I never I I in fact, they only have
Speaker 1: to be like it's okay to acknowledge that there are
Speaker 1: differences between like between like black people, there are like cultures,
Speaker 1: cultural differences, and it's been it's really like because in
Speaker 1: my mind every everyone is the same. And it's really
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a like like I'm color blind,
Speaker 1: like but like my parents raised me away like treat
Speaker 1: everyone the same and there are no differences that blatantly false. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that thing of growing up and it's like we don't
Speaker 1: see color that you can't that's not that's not a
Speaker 1: good sentence. But it wasn't It wasn't that right. The
Speaker 1: intention is good though, the intention is good, but like
Speaker 1: when you kind of get into like below the surface
Speaker 1: of the sentence, right, you're like, oh, I think I've
Speaker 1: been denying your personhood. Yes. And it's interesting because like
Speaker 1: you do see that generation, like my parents generation for example,
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, like when I came out
Speaker 1: as gay, like the people will be like, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's the same to me, and they say all these things.
Speaker 1: I have gay friends, I have black friends, I have this,
Speaker 1: and it's all these things that they truly think are helpful.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, wow, that's antiquated, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's also not acknowledging my gayness. That's what
Speaker 1: it is. Like, Okay, you're like it's all the same. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's not actually community. That's a different experience. But you're
Speaker 1: trying to buy like you're trying to help me by
Speaker 1: saying I'm just like everyone else. Yeah. But here's the
Speaker 1: thing though. The problem with it is that, like whatever
Speaker 1: is the the locus of culture for a group is
Speaker 1: it's not monolithic. Blackness isn't monolithic. Gainness isn't monolithic. So
Speaker 1: there are some things that are that you could call
Speaker 1: gay culture, right, but that doesn't mean every that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean every game man does those things right. It's so
Speaker 1: stop the flintstones bullshit. But like that's where it gets.
Speaker 1: That's that's where this stuff is tricky, because you want
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that there are differences between groups, but once
Speaker 1: you not, once you go to that second level, then
Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge that there are differences between individuals.
Speaker 1: And just because there you know as a group there
Speaker 1: may be a tendency for gay men too, like Paul's
Speaker 1: drag race whatever it is right there. The thing I
Speaker 1: was thinking when we were at a friend's house and
Speaker 1: I was the only like hetma hetero hetero mail and uh,
Speaker 1: we played quip lash and I bombed, oh you told
Speaker 1: me this and there are a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: the punchlines had to do with like miss Vanjie and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh yeah, you're you do not know?
Speaker 1: And then I was like, okay, this is what we're doing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, then I'm just gonna give
Speaker 1: you all those and I'm gonna double down on my
Speaker 1: piss jokes. And it was just like not having recently,
Speaker 1: you weren't there, but when I was last out in
Speaker 1: the l A, I played the quip lash with like
Speaker 1: the l A gays and it was just had to
Speaker 1: like it's true when you're with a group of people,
Speaker 1: you have to figure out what they want. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's how you score points, and like what do they want?
Speaker 1: Like a fucking Joan Collins was something like that reference,
Speaker 1: like a Tuesday Weld reference at something. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't even know Tuesday. Well she's but that's what, like,
Speaker 1: I can't It was like a weirdo. Like I felt
Speaker 1: something when I when I saw your perform first. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that show We're Max Max Bernstein show? It
Speaker 1: was Max Oh yeah, and I fucking I did not
Speaker 1: know what the hell I was doing at the time,
Speaker 1: but it really it spoke to my heart and I
Speaker 1: was just being I was doing weird stuff. Was that
Speaker 1: when when I was doing Alexander Wang or yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever did It was really fun.
Speaker 1: It was really funny, and it spoke to my heart
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, oh, you're a weirdo. Would
Speaker 1: feel like like it felt good in my heart, and
Speaker 1: so there was a good feeling between the two about
Speaker 1: So my question is like, well that is like you know,
Speaker 1: like or you are like Cole or they're like people
Speaker 1: who are weirdos. And I don't know if it like
Speaker 1: fits in like whatever, the mainstream whatever we're calling mainstream
Speaker 1: gay culture, right, yeah, so how does that feel like
Speaker 1: as you're turning listen to an episode of Beginnings, that
Speaker 1: is Andy's podcast where he talks to creative people about
Speaker 1: but let let's make this, let me finish this point
Speaker 1: when you go below that level of like, okay, there
Speaker 1: are differences between different cultures, but then there are individual
Speaker 1: differences like how what is your relationship then to this
Speaker 1: mainstream gate culu? Oh, I mean it's what a great question.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to hear both responses. I
Speaker 1: spent a long time being really resentful of the mainstream
Speaker 1: gay culture and being like whatever, it's not for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The supporting actress nominee is off the
Speaker 1: top of my head from since nineteen whatever, Like uh,
Speaker 1: that's also like a crazy reference. But like I spent
Speaker 1: a long time sort of not feeling like I was
Speaker 1: tapped into that or that I did embody any of
Speaker 1: those things. But now it's just like now i I've
Speaker 1: now that I've gotten past that, like I have more
Speaker 1: room to just like be curious about like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna follow the Oscars season this year, just
Speaker 1: like just not not hate it first, not hate it first,
Speaker 1: it was just and it all came from just self
Speaker 1: loathing and an internalized homophobia. Like every I think a
Speaker 1: lot of queer people go through this journey. Did you
Speaker 1: get through that journey? I've recently realized about myself, Like
Speaker 1: I've only I've only really kind of discovered who I
Speaker 1: am like in my comedy and then my interactions with people,
Speaker 1: like in the last two two and a half three years.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because I've always been able to
Speaker 1: be myself with bowen Um and now I was doing
Speaker 1: the podcast and like us just being ourselves together and
Speaker 1: then involving someone else and um, Like when I auditioned
Speaker 1: for my sketch comedy group, like I was so I mean,
Speaker 1: I had just come out of the clouds of the
Speaker 1: summer before and I was so scared that they wouldn't
Speaker 1: put me on the group because I was gay. That
Speaker 1: I didn't do my hair, and I wore a shirt
Speaker 1: with Heath Ledger's face on it as the joker, and
Speaker 1: I wore like a track jacket and because and I
Speaker 1: went in with like it's kind of crazy that I
Speaker 1: even made the team, because I was so performing a
Speaker 1: performance that like, um, I just I look back at
Speaker 1: my work at that time and like who I was
Speaker 1: at that time, and I was like, Wow, how much
Speaker 1: energy I was spending trying to connect to something else.
Speaker 1: And so in that way, I I've always been very gay,
Speaker 1: Like when I was like in middle in elementary school,
Speaker 1: middle school, like I was like looking up like who
Speaker 1: who was winning the Oscars and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: was always obsessed. I always had an intrinsic thing where
Speaker 1: I was like, I like gay stuff. But um, not
Speaker 1: only is there was there the oppression of just like
Speaker 1: you know, homophobia and like kind of the patriarchy that
Speaker 1: has long island. It's like then you come to can,
Speaker 1: you come to n y U, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: the bullies are the straight man, they're the gay men.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't want to be around them because
Speaker 1: they didn't like me and they kind of like made
Speaker 1: fun of me. And so then I found the comedy
Speaker 1: kids who were nice, but I still had to like
Speaker 1: do drag, you know what I mean. I had to
Speaker 1: do masks drag with them and it was nothing that
Speaker 1: they did. But for the first like five or six years,
Speaker 1: even though I was quote unquote good at what I
Speaker 1: did in terms of comedy. I look back on that
Speaker 1: and there's no identity, there's no point of view. I
Speaker 1: think I'm hitting the jokes, but I don't see anything
Speaker 1: look at my own my voice at all, and I
Speaker 1: it's only recently been and I know, I think people
Speaker 1: a lot of people that listen to this podcast, they
Speaker 1: don't really know me as a comedian. They know me
Speaker 1: as this so it's like it's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: lot to reconcile. I do think I'm a little delayed
Speaker 1: in terms of like, no, it's all coming at the
Speaker 1: right and no, I feel like it's better than I'm
Speaker 1: thinking it is. Right but right, it's the process, right,
Speaker 1: but it is very honestly andy, I'm until you took
Speaker 1: us to this place. That's think listeners. I think the
Speaker 1: listeners also love to hear the side of you they
Speaker 1: you know, because it is the part where you're like
Speaker 1: I know them, and it's tender. I mean, sometimes I
Speaker 1: listen back to this podcast and I agree with people
Speaker 1: saying I'm annoying because I am doing That's not I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that. It's like, but you can hear yourself
Speaker 1: like when you're not being totally in you, and that
Speaker 1: is when in your in your internal mechanism of Oh
Speaker 1: my god, there's so much artifice in what I'm saying
Speaker 1: in this moment, in this moment, in this moment, I
Speaker 1: hate that you. I suck. That's just that's always gonna
Speaker 1: doesn't It's not real, it's not yea, the process. It's right,
Speaker 1: but it's it's only helpful. It's only so helpful. Um
Speaker 1: what am I saying? My god, it's it's only to
Speaker 1: be so self aware. Yes, yeah, that's all it is. Um,
Speaker 1: I have a random question off of this. But I
Speaker 1: was thinking of I was thinking of you, Mowen because uh,
Speaker 1: we didn't you know, we we didn't know the Emmys
Speaker 1: were gonna be on a Monday, so we had our
Speaker 1: show on emy night. We didn't we would never have
Speaker 1: missed it, but the Union Hall only gave us one.
Speaker 1: But but um, I thought of you when I was
Speaker 1: like watching the clubs later, Mr and Mrs Oh, Mr
Speaker 1: and Mrs Go. I was here for the whole fam
Speaker 1: I go. I want to know how that would feel.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they seem wonderful. I'm very familiar with
Speaker 1: Mr and Mrs Oh, she brings them. She brings them
Speaker 1: to talk shows all the time. That was my first
Speaker 1: time seeing them. So wonderful. Her mom, her mom wore
Speaker 1: a humbook. It's gorgeous. She looked amazing, she looked amazing.
Speaker 1: I love that hair, hair, and just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was just very special. And
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it means good things in the
Speaker 1: future for her. We can't be disappointed about her losing,
Speaker 1: because the thing and the thing is she doesn't give
Speaker 1: a shut, she doesn't give a ship. And also somebody
Speaker 1: very deserving did win. And that's my thing is it's
Speaker 1: like a little bit I don't think so honey, everyone
Speaker 1: being like with the winners, it's like you guys, television
Speaker 1: is so good, right, like they're talented. Category was stacked,
Speaker 1: but you know who I was gagged one Tandy that
Speaker 1: was wonderful. That was so exciting. It And that's another
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I always say every year.
Speaker 1: I am always pissed when someone that was deserving the
Speaker 1: first year who loses wins the second year. But I
Speaker 1: didn't give a funk with that. I don't care. Also,
Speaker 1: oh my god, huge that Henry Winkler one, and I
Speaker 1: love that he said kids go to bed. His kids
Speaker 1: are in their forties. That that's what Henry Winklers give me.
Speaker 1: Henry Winkler's Twitter, him holding varieties of fish he's caught
Speaker 1: is literally my favorite thing, like a vision board. That
Speaker 1: man is having a great time. Okay, he has caught
Speaker 1: a trout. He has caught a rainbow trout and he
Speaker 1: is loving it. And it's just like a beautiful Henry
Speaker 1: Winklers smile and a fish and nothing. He's basically playing
Speaker 1: a version of himself on do you could you guys watch? Yes,
Speaker 1: Paula Newsom, I think huge. She plays the detective. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah about spoiler alert. She like gets into some stuff
Speaker 1: with Henry Winkler's character. How did you feel about that? Now?
Speaker 1: I mean another interracial couple our type Jewish Jewish and
Speaker 1: black or just what black? I mean, I'm Jewish. But
Speaker 1: this is the thing I was saying on stage. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize this. It's it's taken me a while, but
Speaker 1: like I grew up Jewish in Pennsylvania and we're it's different.
Speaker 1: We're like surrounded by white power groups, like they just
Speaker 1: like if you had a map you would just see
Speaker 1: swatstickas dotting the landscape Pennsylvania. And so I grew up
Speaker 1: like very like you know. Or Mike my six my
Speaker 1: best friend in sixth grade, ended our friendship by going,
Speaker 1: I wish Hitler I killed your family. I just like wept,
Speaker 1: just start crying, like in like home room or something.
Speaker 1: I can't It was like towards the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you go back to home room. I remember saying that
Speaker 1: cruel flippant. Yeah, it's I'm sure racism was that flippant. Yes,
Speaker 1: So a jew from Pennsylvania is a different I realized
Speaker 1: this last night, Like I present in New York or
Speaker 1: l A, I presented just a white man or his
Speaker 1: nami would say quite hite, quite, And so it's I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not used to that. I'm not I'm used
Speaker 1: to being like, oh, I'm the one everyone's going to
Speaker 1: like when ship gets bad, I'm the one that's going
Speaker 1: to be shoved to a train car and taken off somewhere. Um.
Speaker 1: But so, I I don't know how to answer, But Henry, yes,
Speaker 1: you're saying completely right that discussion like who's white, who's Jewishes? Whatever?
Speaker 1: Whereas like it's because I feel like it was a
Speaker 1: conversation we had early on Andy, like, because you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York. I went to private
Speaker 1: school in the Epper east Side. Honey, I was like,
Speaker 1: you Jewish, Okay, you're driving, you know, I know be Roses.
Speaker 1: I didn't know obviously, you know, I knew the history,
Speaker 1: but what it meant, you know, now we're coming up
Speaker 1: or as a kid in the nine does go to
Speaker 1: school in Park Avenue. I didn't see it right, And
Speaker 1: then you know, like, oh, right, right, right if you're
Speaker 1: you know, I think for most others, you know, right,
Speaker 1: if you're away from major city. Yeah, in Pennsylvania, we're
Speaker 1: just like we're at ziclon A level when we're one
Speaker 1: step away from cyclon being right down there. What a
Speaker 1: time dark? Yes, maybe the darkest. It keeps it light.
Speaker 1: And that's what I love about from it. We went
Speaker 1: from Flintstone to gas Chambers. But he can juxta that's
Speaker 1: a full spectrum. He can flip, he can flip between
Speaker 1: the two. Well, it keeps you going sometimes. I said, Honey,
Speaker 1: if you ever got Alzheimer's, I don't know if i'd know,
Speaker 1: because you'd be saying some stuff and juxtaposing where I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you here? Were there already? The dementia plocks are
Speaker 1: in the brain. That's fear. Oh no, no, no, grandfather
Speaker 1: had the worst thing you can do as someone who
Speaker 1: may be suffering me potentially, haven't Alzheimer's think about it?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? This is the it's because if
Speaker 1: you think about having Alzheimer's, are you talking about a
Speaker 1: panic at someone? If you think about someone else having Alzheimer's,
Speaker 1: that means they will No, no no, no. If you panic
Speaker 1: about having Alzheimer's and you fixate on it, that's a
Speaker 1: bad thing to do. My mom's doing that. My mom's
Speaker 1: been doing that for the last twenty years. She's got
Speaker 1: to stop. This is why I'm not going to have
Speaker 1: sex with her. She's so insane. She wouldn't think about that.
Speaker 1: It'd be on I put it down. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: your sister Yang something to this. She's so furious. She
Speaker 1: loves that. She loves that, she loves it. Sister yangis
Speaker 1: in uh is a juice living in a white sumacy.
Speaker 1: Were talked about this episode. I said, Bowen Yang is
Speaker 1: the one that's closer to being the Jebu. Well, literally,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like, I'm like, she is an
Speaker 1: Asian Jew in the South. Yes, girl, you're on the
Speaker 1: front line. She's in Atlanta. She's doing great. But she
Speaker 1: they did. They did do a great Atlanta joke at
Speaker 1: the Emmy's last Night, which I loved, where there was like, um,
Speaker 1: I think it was a chain made a joke. It
Speaker 1: was like uh. And and and there's this new show
Speaker 1: called fifteen Miles Outside of Atlanta that that's a that's
Speaker 1: an all white cast or something they're they're doing. All right,
Speaker 1: we beard of Atlanta called love. Um, okay, I think
Speaker 1: it's time. It's time for I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: oh Andy just oh my god, tightened, tightened, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's open to notes and he's got oh I love
Speaker 1: a prepared queen. And we we stand up prepared. We
Speaker 1: stand u prepared queen. We just had Max Silvestri and
Speaker 1: who delivered a great one written out and we and
Speaker 1: this this is truly a sea change moment for us
Speaker 1: because we realized that we have to bring we have
Speaker 1: to bring our a game. We gotta bring our a
Speaker 1: game because you know what's crazy is like everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys like it's like we're out of
Speaker 1: the three people we've had to do it. Like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna rank us at like a hundred sixty eight. I'm
Speaker 1: in the third percent time. I'm like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like in the middle of the pack. Yes, but
Speaker 1: we want some people fall We've got We've got some
Speaker 1: titans here. So here we go. Matt, you want to
Speaker 1: go first. You went with the first last time. I
Speaker 1: can go first. You want to go first? Generous first?
Speaker 1: Canst first? First? Hey, this is Rogers. Take in your
Speaker 1: face my love. Um uh is Matt Rogers. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many times starts now. I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey that the Oscars are going to be shorter. Bit.
Speaker 1: We like the long Oscar. We are gay. We want
Speaker 1: the long Oscars. We want every original song performed in full.
Speaker 1: If not, I don't think so honey. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey that we're not getting full clips of all
Speaker 1: the nominated films with people coming out. And I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey that every performer's entrance is in a
Speaker 1: full minute long. I don't think, so honey, I want
Speaker 1: a long Oscars. You're gonna condense the Oscars to two hours, bitch.
Speaker 1: I love staying up at the next It reminds me
Speaker 1: of when I was little and have that decade moment
Speaker 1: where I'd lay out all the snacks and I'd stay
Speaker 1: up until one in the morn to see if Anette
Speaker 1: Benning was gonna win for American Beauty. She did not
Speaker 1: that year. It was Hillary Swank and boys, don't cry questionable.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of that win, or maybe either
Speaker 1: of her wins. I don't think so money that Hillary
Speaker 1: Swank has two Oscar wins and a Nette Benning has zero.
Speaker 1: And why am I able to say I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: This because I have a long history of hours spent
Speaker 1: watching the Oscars. Let me watch a long Oscars as
Speaker 1: part of my gay culture. And that's one minute they
Speaker 1: said they were gonna take. They made two changes to
Speaker 1: the Oscars. They were adding the best popular film, which
Speaker 1: has been rescinded agree with, and they were gonna shorten
Speaker 1: the Oscars and they're going to keep a short bitch. No,
Speaker 1: we like the long I'm here for the full night,
Speaker 1: as you said, especially thinking as the kids that that
Speaker 1: Sunday night and it was like stay up late on Sunday,
Speaker 1: which was always like a school nights. It's an event.
Speaker 1: You're here for the two hours. I mean with all
Speaker 1: those commercials, it's not so bad. And it's such a
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like a culture, like I
Speaker 1: want to see everything. You know, I sort of got
Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to cut the memorial? They're
Speaker 1: not gonna cut the worry, but they're going to cut
Speaker 1: like a lot of categories. I mean what I'm saying
Speaker 1: they got to I mean, I mean, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: see like sound mixing, sound editing, centimatography. You're not going
Speaker 1: to see that ship. You're probably honestly, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: see the big the big ones. So acting, you'll see
Speaker 1: all those because of course you'll see you'll see like
Speaker 1: whatever wins for song, because it's going to be the
Speaker 1: performances you know they're writing. They always give you adapted
Speaker 1: in original screen, right honestly, Oh my god, what they
Speaker 1: what do they give you? None of the like international animation,
Speaker 1: give you a foreign film, well right, but even you
Speaker 1: know shorts and the and the features, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Like that? You know that's a
Speaker 1: huge motion. It's like give them their time on stage,
Speaker 1: hour out of it, and I would imagine that they're
Speaker 1: not going to cut the song performances because when you
Speaker 1: have Gaga up there potentially doing it. And also Choice
Speaker 1: Savan is actually gonna have you race Okay, it's boy
Speaker 1: a race, just a gritty love Simon. What's going on there?
Speaker 1: And I think that is one way to market it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was just like I was like Planet Toronto. Love
Speaker 1: Simon is dealing more with I'm I'm gay and it's
Speaker 1: my problem, whereas like the conflict of boy or racist
Speaker 1: specifically the conversion it was Love Gilda supposed to be
Speaker 1: a takeoff on Love Simon. I don't think so. The
Speaker 1: bit I don't think. I don't think that oification. How
Speaker 1: dare you one word? And if that was a bit,
Speaker 1: but I don't approve. I did. I did cry at
Speaker 1: the loved Oh my god. It was we saw that.
Speaker 1: We saw the movie that ride, Yes, we saw it.
Speaker 1: It was lovely, oh my god. And actually I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up uh as yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And I wasn't someone even though I do comedy, I
Speaker 1: wasn't intually like a comedy nerd and ingest. I didn't
Speaker 1: start watching us an Lu till like the Terry years.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think I would say the same,
Speaker 1: so like I didn't, but like you know, so to
Speaker 1: see her story. I mean when I knew her, you know,
Speaker 1: in my head, I knew her as being a comedian
Speaker 1: power couple with Gene Wilder before good Rich. So you
Speaker 1: have to see it. Everyone, Um, your phone went to
Speaker 1: Okay here, Sorry, this is just a behind the scenes moment. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is I don't think so honey on this episode
Speaker 1: and this time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: These ships I've been taking the last couple of a week,
Speaker 1: I am dumping out beef stew into my bowl every morning,
Speaker 1: and I can't do it anymore. I'm getting very concerned.
Speaker 1: And I'm on a threat with lovely people and a
Speaker 1: dres and the cold silver great to win. It's the
Speaker 1: billy domino. We call it. We call it um ploppers
Speaker 1: or something. We all text each other as soon as
Speaker 1: we take it exactly what it's called. And it's definitely
Speaker 1: called no but no. The reason I don't know it's
Speaker 1: because it changes every week, and so someone changes I am.
Speaker 1: I don't like what's coming out of and no, and
Speaker 1: I really have been taking problematic ships for the last
Speaker 1: twelve months and I no doctor will give me a
Speaker 1: straight answer. They're saying, you know, just eat more fiber.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, no, I'm if I ate a whole salary
Speaker 1: stock every second of the day. I this would not
Speaker 1: change anything. I think I need to do less. Fleet
Speaker 1: enemas he's been too busy. He's trying to get ready
Speaker 1: for anal. No, I don't do it. I don't have
Speaker 1: anal an. It's all about fraud, frodagda cottage. I've had
Speaker 1: some of the best sexual experiences of my life performing fotage.
Speaker 1: There is like this weird like subculture subreddit of gay
Speaker 1: of gay man who are just like, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: anal just just rubbed it until we and it's pretty solid,
Speaker 1: so to speak. Well now, it's also it's been like
Speaker 1: this for a long time. About a year ago, I
Speaker 1: was having an interesting time with my poops as well,
Speaker 1: and then I got out of it. I've seen the
Speaker 1: other side. I'm so devastated to here that you're not
Speaker 1: but you're not alone, Okay, I'm here with you, and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna get an oscarpa. Honey, I'm
Speaker 1: getting in there. Get it. Do you get a camera
Speaker 1: I have covered? Honey, if you got coverage, get it covered.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. I'm getting in there and I'm
Speaker 1: getting answers. You want a camera up, I'm getting it.
Speaker 1: I don't want it, but I'll do what needs to
Speaker 1: be done. There's nothing more humiliating than going for a
Speaker 1: butt whole problem to the doctor. You're gonna put up.
Speaker 1: You're gonna grab that. Yeah, only if it's a nice
Speaker 1: looking picture. Go live, baby. Okay. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's time for Naomi to go, because I really don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't really don't think. Stopped looking and you've got
Speaker 1: it garbage you got written now, man, I just had
Speaker 1: to pull that out of our asses to one of us.
Speaker 1: Literally and okay, Andy, as a first timer, we're gonna
Speaker 1: save you for last, I think. And it's Naomi time.
Speaker 1: This is gonna go so well, this is Naomi Pegins.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, her time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. These dangerous white men who say
Speaker 1: I've learned to forgive myself, okay, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: about what you think about yourself, because if we could
Speaker 1: have trust your judgment, we would have been a situation
Speaker 1: to begin Honey. I don't. I don't need to name
Speaker 1: a name here, honey, because the list is too long.
Speaker 1: It's not about specifics, it's about the general deciding when
Speaker 1: you are done right, populist, you don't get to make
Speaker 1: the decisions anymore, honey. I don't think so, Honey, coming
Speaker 1: at us and you feel right, I think your preoccupation
Speaker 1: with what makes you feel good is the problem. Honey.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to know what you feel
Speaker 1: about you. I'm gonna tell you what I feel about you. Yes,
Speaker 1: we are going to take a collective We're gonna have
Speaker 1: a collective text message chat, honey, and we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: you when we're ready for you to be forgiven. And
Speaker 1: that's one minute. This thing of I feel it's time.
Speaker 1: I feel I'm ready to be forgiven? Are you talking
Speaker 1: about not sentetically? It's a no no. Have you ever
Speaker 1: said that in a relationship? I didn't yell. I know,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I know I screamed that, your mom, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to be forgiven? Who is that? But that is
Speaker 1: a very dad thing to say. That this is my
Speaker 1: new character and the conflict is over right, I decide
Speaker 1: when we are done here, and oh, my dad would
Speaker 1: pull that it all the time. And I even has
Speaker 1: a seven year old to be like, no, my sense
Speaker 1: of judgment was so thrown back then, just because there
Speaker 1: is this thing of like, I know everything period, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just that you totally you know,
Speaker 1: as long as a human walk in the earth, but
Speaker 1: you have to put up with yeah. And then but
Speaker 1: then like once once you developed that vocabulary, like now,
Speaker 1: like I've called my dad out like retroactively and been like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: all those fights we had as kids, when we were kids,
Speaker 1: like that was you know, that was bullshit? Right? He
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I know, how do you say bye
Speaker 1: bitch in Mandarin? It's it's longer than by a bitch,
Speaker 1: it's more syllables. We'll go ahead. Oh I love that
Speaker 1: was magical? Am I saying? Close enough? Good? I'm into it.
Speaker 1: But it's not. It doesn't have that same punch. And
Speaker 1: I felt the Yeah, I felt it. Excited, Okay, I
Speaker 1: felt it. I felt a tangle everywhere, and we're going
Speaker 1: to feel a tangle now with Andy Backerman's I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I love This're getting a pepped penny feelings
Speaker 1: feeling sick to my son, J Honey, you can do this. Yes,
Speaker 1: you have prepared this. Okay, your crown has been bought
Speaker 1: and paid for. Where miss Floyd, Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love it. Okay, this is and Kerman. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Many as time starts now, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: journalists who put the word a comedian in their Twitter bio.
Speaker 1: I spent thousands of dollars of my own money at
Speaker 1: you see, being earned the frigid disapproval of my waspy
Speaker 1: Jewish parents in order to call myself a comedian. You
Speaker 1: spent tens of thousands of your dollars of your parents
Speaker 1: money to go to Columbia j School and hobnob with
Speaker 1: the strange failed sons of Maggie Haberman and David rem
Speaker 1: And just because you wrote some slightly sarcastic, as weak
Speaker 1: as a Norm McDonald apology joke about Trump being a
Speaker 1: fucking dipshit or something as similarly obvious that Twitter filated
Speaker 1: you for mostly because your BuzzFeed byeline you think you
Speaker 1: could call yourself a comedie. I don't think so. Honey,
Speaker 1: Ben gibber Do a solo performance, and every comment he
Speaker 1: made between songs that even approach the event horizon of
Speaker 1: amusing elicited roars of laughter from the very willing audience.
Speaker 1: I don't see a ten minute chunk on how to
Speaker 1: divorce a quirky girl on the new Death Cab album
Speaker 1: because he knows how to stay in his lane. And
Speaker 1: that's one minute. That's very true. I am spent. That
Speaker 1: was very good. Congratulations, congratulations, stand the dragon in its
Speaker 1: face and slits God you made. This is the best
Speaker 1: kind of the observational one. Both we I talked about
Speaker 1: my fucking poop and you talked about don't qualify. My
Speaker 1: mind was gonna stop? Okay, Naomi and Andy Town incisive
Speaker 1: cultural commentary. Oh what is wrong with these people? I
Speaker 1: feel you have to be you have to perform to
Speaker 1: be a comedian. Alright, I'm with you anymore, just put
Speaker 1: in your Twitter. But now, comedian, listen, know. I also
Speaker 1: don't like to be superior about anything. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think tweets can be funny, and I think you can
Speaker 1: be very good at writing them. It's just that you know. Also,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong comedian with not using instead of using
Speaker 1: the word comedian, you say humorist or rack, contur, whateverever,
Speaker 1: but comedian. There is some sort of implicit meaning in
Speaker 1: you performing on a stage in front of strangers. I
Speaker 1: also think, good luck calling yourself a comedian and then
Speaker 1: getting in a room with people who actually are when
Speaker 1: you've called yourself a comedian all these years and then
Speaker 1: people find out that you don't, haven't performed whatever. I
Speaker 1: also really don't like to be superior about it. But
Speaker 1: it is a thing. It's a thing, and we're look,
Speaker 1: it's claiming something you haven't earned. Sure, but it's not superiority.
Speaker 1: It's it's just about like just it's fine, like stay
Speaker 1: in your as Andy Beckerman one said, stay in your
Speaker 1: own or you know what, go out there and do Mike,
Speaker 1: go out there and put put a show up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's start whenever. It's never too late to start, never never.
Speaker 1: And we just want the cultural cachet of comedies in now.
Speaker 1: Guys they want that even though really they're just writing,
Speaker 1: you know what, listicles things like that. I can't believe
Speaker 1: you. You You threw in a Mackie Haber name David remnick name,
Speaker 1: little little little little barbed that love that barbicious bou Brella.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be that's gonna be your name for me
Speaker 1: now Barbararella with Jane Fonda. Yes, is the same. Wow.
Speaker 1: This is truly a special episode, phenomenal, phenomenuse episode. And
Speaker 1: I would say that it felt like therapy. It truly did.
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this in any sort of facetious way.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the asking those questions and yeah, that
Speaker 1: was really good, and thank you for facilitating all. I mean,
Speaker 1: this only happens because and this is what I said
Speaker 1: on the top of the show, Andy Naomi just set
Speaker 1: the tone right, they come in, wrecked, come correct, say
Speaker 1: something beautiful and point that would be the last thing
Speaker 1: our listeners here. So much pressure. Um. I I'm feeling
Speaker 1: very volunty right now. My heart is very open, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you three could come in and build
Speaker 1: a fire and cook a stew that we could all enjoy.
Speaker 1: Don't how dare you mentioned stews? So I just prepared
Speaker 1: my fecal matter to beef stews. This is preach uw
Speaker 1: stew preach, preach, Thank you, thank you, um, and I'll
Speaker 1: just keep it simple. You know, something from one of
Speaker 1: our favorite movies. If you want to be somebody, if
Speaker 1: you wanna go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, lady Day, lady Day, we can't you
Speaker 1: know what we end that we you You and I
Speaker 1: ended the show. The episode with a song each time.
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