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Speaker 1: It was just just like a scorpion that's backed up

422
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: and it's just and it's it's and when I say

423
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: take pity, it's different from like like trying to like right,

424
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: you don't make them bad? Oh, like what you must

425
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: have a lot happening that this is or not enough happening,

426
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: not enough happen. This is across the bear that I'm

427
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: your problem, if I'm your biggest problems. Can I say

428
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: one thing, though I do think there are trolls for us,

429
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into the whole thing, but

430
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: there are I believe that there are. I believe that

431
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: there are trolls specifically, yeah, who aren't happy with us,

432
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: who are trolling you in what way because of because

433
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: of being an interracial relationships what you're saying, Listen, let's

434
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: just say. Let's just say there are trolls without going

435
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: that are specifically targeting us. There are there are people

436
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: who might like not like us, and that's fine, but

437
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: there are also there's a subset that are specifically where

438
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that's that's, that's this, and we feel

439
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: that it's this. Yeah yeah, you're like, okay, well cool,

440
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but it's not. It's you're not trying to

441
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: like dunk on them or anything. You're just like, oh,

442
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: you're this collective, You're just a rat king of disgusting,

443
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: a rat king of disgusting thought. That's why I'm so

444
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: proud of Bowen. He has that, he had that just

445
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: in him. He said he could describe a girls person

446
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: as a rat. A group of people, Wow, a group

447
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: of people are this that king of disgusting thought? I mean,

448
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: it's it's artistry, it's eloquence, it's beautiful, psychically tether there's

449
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: psychic tethers. What what is Okay, here's we're gonna, we're gonna,

450
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this beautiful right now. What is the

451
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing? Oh my god, I would say the

452
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing about Andy is his optimism and work

453
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: ethic combined. You are someone who keeps at it. I

454
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: am someone who literally is like, take me now, literally

455
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: the tiniest, tiniest failure, Take me now. I can't be bothered.

456
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: And I don't and I don't think it is like

457
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: this like white male cockiness. Give it to me. It's

458
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: a true like I enjoy this work and that joy

459
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: means good. It will bear fruit and that will see

460
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: you through the rest of time. It's beautiful, and he

461
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: is Andy Beckerman is one of the hardest working people. Yes, yes,

462
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: that's true. Now you must say, I will I'm a

463
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: diet speechless, so thank you. That's very nice. Like he's

464
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: for the listener, he is like covering himself with a

465
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: hoodie because he feels very bald. Totally totally well. This

466
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: is a couple's therapy, so open up all into the max.

467
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot about Naomi. I'm trying to like, pick

468
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: one one specific thing to say it emotional. I'm gonna cry.

469
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that I always say is Naomi's

470
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: freedom with her emotions, and that's the thing I most

471
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: admire about her, and so I think it is the

472
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing that you are even when I lay

473
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: in bed all day because I'm depressed. I mean, I

474
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: find freedom I feel for you in those moments. But

475
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: I just mean your ability to as someone who who

476
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: was us for most of his life, um to have

477
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: it is a joy to have you in my life

478
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: as a I mean, as for you in your entire

479
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: three dimensionality, but also as this as this person who

480
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: is almost like uh, you know, leading me through the

481
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: hades of emotions, leading me through the nine levels. Another

482
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: poetic moment, poetic, A truly poetic moment, you, guys, I

483
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: totally truly hows a beautiful moment to witness? So happy?

484
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: I asked that question, will you officiate? Afiate? You really

485
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: drawn out and then will tell me afterwards that I

486
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: talked to him much. What if we had what if

487
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: we had Naomi a string of officiants that would each

488
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: do a different part of the ceremony. That would be

489
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: good because it would be the different parts of us. Yeah,

490
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: that's great, we really want to do. I don't want

491
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: it to be like like fucking quirky. I'm not coming

492
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: at you with a dactionell moment. I do want to Yes,

493
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: you are not You are not a new girl. You

494
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: are an old girl. Hello, I'm an old girl. That's

495
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: my show. That's me living with three men. Be like,

496
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: get out my house. I want, like, I do want

497
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: a wedding that is very reflective of our personalities and

498
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: not the cutter fund. But what I found, as you know,

499
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: we looked at the more personal stuff is even when

500
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: it looks d y, I, it's actually more expensive than

501
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: you just went to a hotel because those places they

502
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: do waitings for a living, they got a whole setup.

503
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: You just pick. It's like you want them. You want

504
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: the plates to be buff, tope or baige, you know

505
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they have a whole fucking family. Yeah,

506
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: that feels custom is custom, and you pay for that exactly.

507
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: There's a place along the island that we looked at

508
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: that was actually pretty affordable, um Fox Hollow. So I

509
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: don't mean yeah, yeah, I forget what We're not gonna

510
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: say that bad about that. Yeah, So it was nice.

511
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: It was affordable, and there was like part of the

512
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: package was like people come in, got some food like

513
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: when you were coming to the ceremony, so if you

514
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: were hungry you could get through the ceremony. At the end,

515
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: you got warm pretzels as you were leaving. And they're

516
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: like all these different things, but it was just very

517
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: like cookie cutter, like we couldn't do much in between.

518
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm all for like feeding people all the time,

519
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: but they were like during the receiving line, we'll do this.

520
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, we're not doing a receiving we

521
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: don't want to receiving line. We don't want the first dance.

522
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: We don't want like a daddy daughter dance or whatever

523
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: it is. And I was like, but they like that's

524
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: the package, right, like you get that thing. And it

525
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: was like and I was like, oh, I want to

526
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: do something a little different. But then I was like, okay,

527
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: you want to go like bite chairs and rent caterers

528
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: and like every little bitten piece. And it's been definitely

529
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: like a thing that we're like we've been engaged five

530
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: years and that yes, like and it's under completely understandable. Yeah,

531
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: you want it to be the culmination of the loving judgment.

532
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like the wedding is just planning. It

533
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: is truly crazy but unnecessary. Yes, but there's no way

534
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: around it because literally, you call a venue in the

535
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: moment you say wedding, it's this, this and this. You

536
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: say party, it's another thing. But if you show up

537
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: that the moment they see you in address attacking on them,

538
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: there's no way to really like make that lie. It's

539
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: an industry and it's going to be an industry wherever

540
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, so it's just like all the end

541
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: of time. Maybe we should ask her agents to call

542
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: on our behalf. Then they'll have to get ten percent

543
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: of everyone's gifts. Absolutely, I mean you have had their

544
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: manager like organized their bachelorrette parties really as I could

545
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: never I mean, but it can be done, right. I've

546
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: been to I would say I've been to many weddings,

547
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: but the thing is like there was one that I

548
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: think was like so perfect, and it was my cousin

549
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Jesse's wedding. It was outside and it was like not religious,

550
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: and it was like they she walked down the aisle

551
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: to um somewhere over the rainbow version. Yes, it was

552
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: so beautiful and I think some people might think that's

553
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: like basic, but it was gorge Um, it was so

554
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: gorge and like look so good and like it was

555
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: like just great, I got to walk my grandmother down

556
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: the like it was just so it was so good.

557
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: And then like, honestly, what I love is you have

558
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: the wedding and then like it's like a hundred yards

559
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: away the party space. Yes it's not it's not multipurpose,

560
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: but it's not far. It's on site. Yes, well, I

561
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: mean I wanted to be a one stop shop definitely,

562
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: and just like I also wanted to be that type

563
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: of wedding. I don't want a wedding where I don't

564
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: know half the people there. It's like, can you please

565
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: just like, well, that was the problem. We're not gonna

566
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: go into that because that's what our own podcast is for,

567
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: but don't bring it to flint Stones. It was like, oh,

568
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: it's always but no, I mean you guys, you know

569
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: you have a magical friendship dynamic for the ages. It's

570
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: a fun dynamic. And I tweeted today in the light

571
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: of all this Burton earning news and I are both

572
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: birth Burton, Earning and Statler and Maldar, we contain multitudes.

573
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: O the right, the creator of the right, the one

574
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: who the person who conceived of them, has said in

575
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: an interview recently that he only thought of them as

576
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: being a couple and as a gay man. He was like, yeah,

577
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: they were I wrote them as a couple. But then

578
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Sesame Workshop, like the larger institution behind Sesame Streets, that

579
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: put out a statement said no, as we've always said,

580
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: they are best friends, they are not gay. Um. While

581
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: they do identify as male and share many qualities with

582
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: human beings, they remain puppets and do not possess sexual orientation,

583
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: which is crazy. Every puppet has so like, every puppet

584
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: on that show has characteristics, Like one of them is like,

585
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: you know what. I talked about this in the last episode.

586
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: But it's just crazy too to pretendet all these brimming

587
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: with eros and or gone and all that kind of energy.

588
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: Again with the Greek poetry, I mean all that. Here's

589
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: a question though, UM. Now, personally the idea of representation

590
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: in children's um cartoons or in children's programming is appealing,

591
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I don't like when adults

592
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: go back and like rhet coan sexuality into children. We

593
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: were talking about j. K Rowling in the last episode. Yeah,

594
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: she's how she's been kind of doing that a little bit.

595
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's there, well with j. K rown

596
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: like she should have just written it in there, like

597
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: that's her own cowardice. One might say that she did right. Yeah,

598
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: but there's nothing like literally you cannot sexually. There's some

599
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: nothing I hate more than when someone says their child

600
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: they're toddler, their baby is flair king or is a

601
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: lady killers like anything for a baby. You're like, what

602
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: it's like, don't say that, because what you're doing is

603
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: you're attaching sexuality to my kids exactly. Or even parents

604
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: do it to their own kids, and it's just like

605
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: to that, you know. But the same person who does that,

606
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: we'll then have a problem with a with a puppet

607
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: being possibly get it's like you already told me your baby,

608
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: fucking why do you gonna put that out there? And

609
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: it gives a kid a complex a little bit of

610
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: I mean, of course it does. I can say that

611
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: it does because it's like it attaches the fact that

612
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: your looks are something that you should always be conscious

613
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: because that's what they always say. Like Kelly Clarkson was

614
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: recently quoted in an interview as saying, like I never

615
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: tell my daughter you look beautiful, you look beautiful, beautiful.

616
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: I say, you're so smart, you're so you're so funny,

617
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: you're so this because it's important to instill, you know.

618
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's like this is like a new wave

619
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: parenting with lots of parents raising kids now know this.

620
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: But it's like this is the first time I was

621
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: woken up to it. But growing up, you know, handsome,

622
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: like it, like it's cute, attracted. You know that it

623
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: gets attached to you at such an early age and

624
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: when you're forming, you look in the mirror and then

625
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: you become conscious of that as one of the things

626
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: that you're like good at, right, and then you know,

627
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I think it happens with women. Well, I think definitely

628
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: your values. I don't know about you. I mean, Andrew,

629
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: I have seen photos you were a darling boy. Um

630
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: I've seen no, but but no, when you were younger,

631
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: like I was not like I was not cute or

632
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: that picture. But that's not how I was talked about,

633
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, Like I had like, you know, my cousin

634
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: SUPs like, oh, she's cute, she's pretty, she's this. That

635
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: was never the way I was characterized. So even you

636
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: know now as an adult, it's not where I kind

637
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: of put my stock, or it was also not just

638
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: not where I put my stock, but I just assumed

639
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: the upper it was true, right, which is exactly what

640
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, which is as kids complex either way, and

641
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can really do about it because people

642
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: are still going to be who they are. And that's

643
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: something you say when you and you're trying to be nice,

644
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: but it's just that thing. It's just like, no matter what,

645
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna be sucked up somehow stimula, you're gonna respond

646
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: to it somehow. I'm just saying that, Yeah, it's it's

647
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: when you say that to someone and they're a child,

648
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: and I have a childlike understanding of these things. It's

649
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: a symptom of a sick culture that's going down the too.

650
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: And you know what, some babies be fucking baby, I

651
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: almost fucking from a young toddler. Sure, who wasn't not

652
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: people the thing? Yeah, who didn't put their consent was

653
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: not a concept who didn't put their wiener into I

654
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: rubbed it on so many strange I used to suck

655
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: the ship out of my pillows and that's a fact. Pillars.

656
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Pillows are great. I used to put something I had

657
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: a relationship with one of my pills for three years?

658
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: What are those longer than I was with her? And

659
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: he has a question. There there were these little it's

660
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: like constructor legos, but they were like these tubes that like, uh,

661
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: what are those mugs that like get pushed down with

662
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: like accordion. It's like these little collapsable things. You could

663
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: put your penis in them if you were a kid,

664
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: I would say I sucked it, know exactly? Also, was

665
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: this the purpose? You said you could put yours in

666
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: them if you were a kid. And one of the

667
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: things on the box that it was like but it

668
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: was like is not included? You can fuck this. It

669
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: was teaching you how to how to use a condom almost,

670
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: but it was like a construction thing. Not really, but

671
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, an adult penis wouldn't fit in them.

672
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Too big. Have you ever seen an adult penis? Naomi?

673
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: They're huge. You're just You're just asked me this rhetorically,

674
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: like he's telling you an example of ay, bet you

675
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: could as a young toddler trial, or that I did

676
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: or that he did. I didn't want to put you

677
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: on blast. I wanted that to be your story to tell.

678
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: We're very open on this podcast. We say what we fucked, Yes,

679
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say that I fucked it. I would

680
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: say that it was just I was exploring. It depends

681
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: on what is is. Bill Clinton would say, great questions,

682
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh god, what it was was utterly meaning less, that

683
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: that was like national news. Okay, I think we we're gonna,

684
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna adapt the question that we always

685
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: ask on this podcast, but to both of you as

686
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: a collective unit, and then we might and then I

687
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: think Bowen saying he's done with the conversation about sucking

688
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: an animate objects, and honestly I respect it. Thank you,

689
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: thank you. Now. Okay, So I want to ask what

690
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: was the culture that made both of you say cultures?

691
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: For me? But this is to ask, was there was

692
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: there something that you guys experienced culturally together early on

693
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: or even like later on recently that's sort of set

694
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: things off in a new direction. Does that make sense?

695
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: What was the culture that, like you said, culture was

696
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: for us as a couple as like, like, was there

697
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: a movie that you guys saw together like or was

698
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: Loving getting the nomination for the kind of award? That's

699
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: not true? Why what is this loving? The movie loving

700
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: about the interactional couple and the well, sometimes the bits

701
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: are close to real and it's very hard to tell,

702
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes the bits have ambiguous syntax. Because you said

703
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: it was loving as in the verb loving and said

704
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: the title, no, it is, it is ignore him. I

705
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: live in a world of ambiguity, guys. We know that.

706
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: What I think it's important for us to come on

707
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: here as a couple is to let the listeners know

708
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: anything as possible. And you never know where you'll find

709
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: love and connection, you know, the most unlikely places. One time,

710
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: Indian I were on the street earlier and we kissed.

711
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: This old black lady looked at as she goes, that's beautiful.

712
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: You never know where you're fine love No, And I

713
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: was like, you know, do you guys have a hotline?

714
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: Tell her call in yes and she'll be like I

715
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: remember seeing them. I talked about it for days. She

716
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: was like, you never know. I was like, and I

717
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we are a post racial America.

718
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: That was back when people thought that was the thing,

719
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: but when culture was for us. I mean, there were

720
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: definitely things. For instance, the moment we got together where

721
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we have more in common than

722
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: we think. The first time I went to his house,

723
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: I saw that he had the entire series of Buffy

724
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: the Vampire Slayer and Angel on DVD, and I was like,

725
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: you and I could be friends. I loved Buffy. I

726
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: was like so into it and never finished Angel. So

727
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: literally the first thing I did when I got to

728
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: his house at dat, I was like, can I borrow

729
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: your DVD? What you know is like I'm gonna see

730
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: you again and exactly. And so that was definitely the beginning,

731
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: like a cultural touchstone of like, oh, we share this

732
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: interest from our past. From my point of view from

733
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: being the weirdo in the relationship, it was strangers with Candy.

734
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: It was the fact that we both like strangers with

735
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: Candy and that we both bonded over loving Amy Saidaris,

736
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: That's true. That was definitely one that we were like, Okay,

737
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: that is a thing. When you're talking to someone knew,

738
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: it's so exciting to find out that you have like

739
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: whether it's like something from your past or a strong

740
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: interest together, because it truly it gives you something just

741
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: to talk about. Definitely, and especially I think something I

742
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: think you're right with Strangers with Candy because not only

743
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: was it a long time ago, like but I remember

744
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: like not a lot of people watched it. It was honestly,

745
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: probably wasn't until I got into comedy that I started

746
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: to meet people watch that show. It wasn't until college

747
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: for me to people be like, oh my god. Like

748
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: they'd be like, I spell the TV and I'd be like,

749
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: where what's that from? And then they'd be like Strangers

750
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: with Candy and I was like, oh my god. And

751
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: Jenny Jaffee was the first thing that brought that to

752
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: me was the first YEA, such a wacky genius. Oh

753
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: my god, Brills. Those are great answers. And it's interesting

754
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: that that's sort of refracted from either person that it's like, oh,

755
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was Buffy. I thought it was Strangers

756
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: than the Candy. But there's also it like melds into

757
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: each other, like it flows into and this in the

758
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: way that like I'm like, yes, I see what I

759
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: get it, and yes, it was for me too, especially

760
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: like the Buffy Musical, which Naomi was in in college

761
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: as a stage version of the buff Oh my god,

762
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: what do you feed it? Very like that? It was

763
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: like doing like that, like we're giving me like characterized

764
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: beautiful with character with emotion contours, lady day. Um that

765
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: episode I watched recently um under like a very intimate

766
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: setting with someone else, because he was like, because I'm

767
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: starting to get into I'm trying to get into buffet

768
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: and then something and then and he and he loves it,

769
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, we'll start watching with you.

770
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: And then we were both just very wine drunk, and

771
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: then he could he put on the musical episodes like

772
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna love us, and it's like, yeah, great, and

773
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: then like halfway through was like, wow, I can't believe

774
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: John Sweden wrote all the music. I also think you

775
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: cannot watch the musical episode in Isolation really does lead up,

776
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, especially because that's what Josh is into, Honey,

777
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: he's into taking it. But it's what is it? What

778
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: is it? Like season four or five, six, six, so

779
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: exactly you came in on late where you're like who

780
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: are they? And I got to tear through a hundred

781
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: episodes that it's that episode. They always talk about the

782
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: silent episode and then and hush and then the body,

783
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: which is the one where is dead that season from

784
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: the Mother, her Mother, her Mother, her Mother, which I

785
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: just read like a whole piece on that episode the

786
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: other day about how it was like one of the

787
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: most critically acclaimed episodes of television of that the nineties

788
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: was a great time for telegration, and I guess that's

789
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: why they keep trying to make it happen again. That's

790
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: there's like sad though, it's like these reboots are hurt

791
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: in my heart. Yeah, it's like too. But I'm also like,

792
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: if you go reboot reboots on my black nineties show,

793
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: a reboot of Amen, where's my reboots? Family Matters, Living Single?

794
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: If Moesia came back, if that would be the slay

795
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: of Oh my god, who would be the new Moesia Brandy?

796
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh so Brandy is doing now? Okay, Okay, I can

797
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: see that. I can say she's looking right. You can

798
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: never do like your Scotts. You can never do like

799
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: a fresh Prince reboot without well well that can't you

800
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: want to call it like what was their last name?

801
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: What about with mean? What if you had it with

802
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: me with me? He goes, yeah, So it's three and

803
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: they played Brothers Titans and one guy is always getting

804
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: tossed out the jazz Jeff, Oh my god, I do

805
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: you think the ad lib guy gets paid as much

806
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: as a dancer in a SCO band? But back then

807
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: they who do you think gets paid more a the

808
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: dancer in a SCO band or an ad guy in

809
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: a rap group? I'm gonna says, they're like swimming and jewels, honestly,

810
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: And I think like the guy in a SKA band

811
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: who just like pick it up, doesn't know what they say,

812
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: and he just like dances or stops around. I feel

813
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: like he's always like a friend who came on the tour,

814
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like he's just there

815
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: for a hot band. He's not getting any kind of faith, man,

816
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: you know what? No what I'm remembering now. I loved

817
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: hanging out with Mr Cooper, Yes, because I was a

818
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: t g I F fan. Yeah? Do you because not

819
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 1: having Table regular seventh that was like Boy Meets World? Yes,

820
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: the clueless TV show, the clueless TV show You Are

821
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Younger than Me? Yes, the Clueless TV show that was

822
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: past I was hunting. I was coming up on a

823
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: Perfect Stranger's Family Matters by step. I think you at

824
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: one point was family ties in there. I don't know, Yes,

825
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: that was like, oh no, all of those I would

826
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: watch all in your act you reference right or Strong

827
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: and Angel Forget Hurt. That, yes, as as like a

828
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: early interracial couple that you saw in pop culture the nineties,

829
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: honestly was ahead of that. Do you think that that

830
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: actually put that in your mind as a possibility? That

831
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: and going to school white boys. It was a combination

832
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: about because obviously I was surrounded by these whites um

833
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: and these boys weren't checking from me. And then I

834
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: got to watch this TV show where it was happening

835
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: and she had like natural hair. I feel like she

836
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: was there something you to me. And I feel like

837
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: she was also visibly thirty seven older, but I was like, oh,

838
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: you're like I feel like they were maybe twenty three

839
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: and she might have been thirty, but it was like

840
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: I could just tell not that she was old, but

841
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: like I was like, you're like a mature aman, And

842
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: I was very into it. Did they address that on

843
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: the show or it was it kind of just like,

844
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: see that's thing I don't think I ever really remember

845
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: them doing like a special episode if I'm black, right right, right,

846
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: right right, Which is that like is that like magical

847
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: to pretend to pretend that they've never had that conversation,

848
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: I think is like bizarre. I mean that And the

849
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: thing there was something, um, there was a movie that

850
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: came out a few years ago and Carrie Washington and

851
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson, and it was it was it was they

852
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: had been married for like four or five years. And

853
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: the reason why I couldn't get into the movie is

854
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: because they had a neighbor. They were like a married

855
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: couple in suburbia, and they had a neighbor who like

856
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: took issue with the fact that they were interracial. And

857
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: then the movie was pretending like it was the first

858
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: time they had had the conversation. I'm like, that's insane,

859
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: right right, if that was the first time they had

860
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: noticed pushed back right, And it was like, you know,

861
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: it was like a it was a playwright who had

862
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: written the movie, and the scenes were very kind of stagy,

863
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, maybe as a play where

864
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: like your sense of just your your disbelief is suspended

865
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: because it's like you want to watch these scenes play out,

866
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: but like cinematically it didn't work. Also, like, honey, we

867
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: saw crash, you know. I mean, I'm not even willing

868
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: to see these scenes play out, you know. Um that's

869
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: like we we dealt with that stuff early on. Well,

870
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: my favorite though, I don't find a silver lining okay,

871
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: because I noticed black men only like give side I

872
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: or say something under their breath, like if me and

873
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: you're walking, if I'm looking good, Okay, if I'm looking good,

874
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: they got a problem with my as is regular they

875
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: like taker, you know what I mean. And so now

876
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, oh, if he mad, that means

877
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: my face is beat. That's my silver the barometer. Oh

878
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, if you Oh, if they're mad, that

879
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: must mean I'm looking guy that you might be wanting.

880
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: It's a rule of culture number. If they're mad, you're beat.

881
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: That's whenever I step out of the house and people

882
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: are angry at me, I'm like, I must look stunning.

883
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: I must be a sleigh right now, I must be

884
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: the ten at a tend beauty. Absolutely, was there a wait?

885
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: Is this is this a fair question to ask? In

886
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: reverse with Andy? Like was there? No? It was right?

887
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean like was there like any sort of like

888
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: mental model for you and in that same way or no,

889
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: like no, because I was brought up like my parents

890
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: never they when I was younger, they're like, here's some

891
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: words that you don't say because they hurt people's feelings.

892
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: And then here's like bad words that you don't say

893
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: in front of the Rabbi, like funk or whatever. And

894
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: so I never I I in fact, they only have

895
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: to be like it's okay to acknowledge that there are

896
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: differences between like between like black people, there are like cultures,

897
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: cultural differences, and it's been it's really like because in

898
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: my mind every everyone is the same. And it's really

899
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a like like I'm color blind,

900
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: like but like my parents raised me away like treat

901
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: everyone the same and there are no differences that blatantly false. Yeah,

902
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: that thing of growing up and it's like we don't

903
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: see color that you can't that's not that's not a

904
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: good sentence. But it wasn't It wasn't that right. The

905
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: intention is good though, the intention is good, but like

906
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: when you kind of get into like below the surface

907
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: of the sentence, right, you're like, oh, I think I've

908
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: been denying your personhood. Yes. And it's interesting because like

909
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: you do see that generation, like my parents generation for example,

910
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, like when I came out

911
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: as gay, like the people will be like, you know,

912
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: everyone's the same to me, and they say all these things.

913
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: I have gay friends, I have black friends, I have this,

914
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: and it's all these things that they truly think are helpful.

915
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: And it's just like, wow, that's antiquated, you know what

916
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: I mean. It's also not acknowledging my gayness. That's what

917
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: it is. Like, Okay, you're like it's all the same. Well, no,

918
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: it's not actually community. That's a different experience. But you're

919
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: trying to buy like you're trying to help me by

920
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: saying I'm just like everyone else. Yeah. But here's the

921
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: thing though. The problem with it is that, like whatever

922
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: is the the locus of culture for a group is

923
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: it's not monolithic. Blackness isn't monolithic. Gainness isn't monolithic. So

924
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: there are some things that are that you could call

925
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: gay culture, right, but that doesn't mean every that doesn't

926
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: mean every game man does those things right. It's so

927
00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: stop the flintstones bullshit. But like that's where it gets.

928
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: That's that's where this stuff is tricky, because you want

929
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that there are differences between groups, but once

930
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: you not, once you go to that second level, then

931
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge that there are differences between individuals.

932
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: And just because there you know as a group there

933
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: may be a tendency for gay men too, like Paul's

934
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: drag race whatever it is right there. The thing I

935
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: was thinking when we were at a friend's house and

936
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: I was the only like hetma hetero hetero mail and uh,

937
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: we played quip lash and I bombed, oh you told

938
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: me this and there are a lot a lot of

939
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: the punchlines had to do with like miss Vanjie and

940
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh yeah, you're you do not know?

941
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: And then I was like, okay, this is what we're doing.

942
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, then I'm just gonna give

943
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: you all those and I'm gonna double down on my

944
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: piss jokes. And it was just like not having recently,

945
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: you weren't there, but when I was last out in

946
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: the l A, I played the quip lash with like

947
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: the l A gays and it was just had to

948
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: like it's true when you're with a group of people,

949
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: you have to figure out what they want. Yeah, and

950
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: that's how you score points, and like what do they want?

951
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: Like a fucking Joan Collins was something like that reference,

952
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: like a Tuesday Weld reference at something. Oh my god,

953
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know Tuesday. Well she's but that's what, like,

954
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: I can't It was like a weirdo. Like I felt

955
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: something when I when I saw your perform first. Do

956
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: you remember that show We're Max Max Bernstein show? It

957
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: was Max Oh yeah, and I fucking I did not

958
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: know what the hell I was doing at the time,

959
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: but it really it spoke to my heart and I

960
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: was just being I was doing weird stuff. Was that

961
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: when when I was doing Alexander Wang or yeah, that

962
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever did It was really fun.

963
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: It was really funny, and it spoke to my heart

964
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, oh, you're a weirdo. Would

965
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: feel like like it felt good in my heart, and

966
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: so there was a good feeling between the two about

967
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: So my question is like, well that is like you know,

968
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: like or you are like Cole or they're like people

969
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: who are weirdos. And I don't know if it like

970
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: fits in like whatever, the mainstream whatever we're calling mainstream

971
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: gay culture, right, yeah, so how does that feel like

972
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: as you're turning listen to an episode of Beginnings, that

973
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: is Andy's podcast where he talks to creative people about

974
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: but let let's make this, let me finish this point

975
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: when you go below that level of like, okay, there

976
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: are differences between different cultures, but then there are individual

977
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: differences like how what is your relationship then to this

978
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: mainstream gate culu? Oh, I mean it's what a great question.

979
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to hear both responses. I

980
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: spent a long time being really resentful of the mainstream

981
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: gay culture and being like whatever, it's not for me.

982
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. The supporting actress nominee is off the

983
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: top of my head from since nineteen whatever, Like uh,

984
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: that's also like a crazy reference. But like I spent

985
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: a long time sort of not feeling like I was

986
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: tapped into that or that I did embody any of

987
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: those things. But now it's just like now i I've

988
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: now that I've gotten past that, like I have more

989
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: room to just like be curious about like oh yeah,

990
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna follow the Oscars season this year, just

991
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: like just not not hate it first, not hate it first,

992
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: it was just and it all came from just self

993
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: loathing and an internalized homophobia. Like every I think a

994
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: lot of queer people go through this journey. Did you

995
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: get through that journey? I've recently realized about myself, Like

996
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: I've only I've only really kind of discovered who I

997
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: am like in my comedy and then my interactions with people,

998
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: like in the last two two and a half three years.

999
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: And I think it's because I've always been able to

1000
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: be myself with bowen Um and now I was doing

1001
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: the podcast and like us just being ourselves together and

1002
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: then involving someone else and um, Like when I auditioned

1003
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: for my sketch comedy group, like I was so I mean,

1004
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: I had just come out of the clouds of the

1005
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: summer before and I was so scared that they wouldn't

1006
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: put me on the group because I was gay. That

1007
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: I didn't do my hair, and I wore a shirt

1008
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: with Heath Ledger's face on it as the joker, and

1009
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: I wore like a track jacket and because and I

1010
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: went in with like it's kind of crazy that I

1011
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: even made the team, because I was so performing a

1012
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: performance that like, um, I just I look back at

1013
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: my work at that time and like who I was

1014
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: at that time, and I was like, Wow, how much

1015
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: energy I was spending trying to connect to something else.

1016
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: And so in that way, I I've always been very gay,

1017
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: Like when I was like in middle in elementary school,

1018
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: middle school, like I was like looking up like who

1019
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: who was winning the Oscars and stuff like that. I

1020
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: was always obsessed. I always had an intrinsic thing where

1021
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: I was like, I like gay stuff. But um, not

1022
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: only is there was there the oppression of just like

1023
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, homophobia and like kind of the patriarchy that

1024
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: has long island. It's like then you come to can,

1025
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: you come to n y U, and like, you know,

1026
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: the bullies are the straight man, they're the gay men.

1027
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: And so I didn't want to be around them because

1028
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: they didn't like me and they kind of like made

1029
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: fun of me. And so then I found the comedy

1030
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: kids who were nice, but I still had to like

1031
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: do drag, you know what I mean. I had to

1032
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: do masks drag with them and it was nothing that

1033
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: they did. But for the first like five or six years,

1034
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: even though I was quote unquote good at what I

1035
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: did in terms of comedy. I look back on that

1036
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: and there's no identity, there's no point of view. I

1037
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: think I'm hitting the jokes, but I don't see anything

1038
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: look at my own my voice at all, and I

1039
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: it's only recently been and I know, I think people

1040
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people that listen to this podcast, they

1041
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: don't really know me as a comedian. They know me

1042
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: as this so it's like it's it's a it's a

1043
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: lot to reconcile. I do think I'm a little delayed

1044
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: in terms of like, no, it's all coming at the

1045
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: right and no, I feel like it's better than I'm

1046
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: thinking it is. Right but right, it's the process, right,

1047
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: but it is very honestly andy, I'm until you took

1048
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: us to this place. That's think listeners. I think the

1049
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: listeners also love to hear the side of you they

1050
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, because it is the part where you're like

1051
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: I know them, and it's tender. I mean, sometimes I

1052
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: listen back to this podcast and I agree with people

1053
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: saying I'm annoying because I am doing That's not I'm

1054
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: not saying that. It's like, but you can hear yourself

1055
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: like when you're not being totally in you, and that

1056
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: is when in your in your internal mechanism of Oh

1057
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: my god, there's so much artifice in what I'm saying

1058
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: in this moment, in this moment, in this moment, I

1059
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: hate that you. I suck. That's just that's always gonna

1060
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: doesn't It's not real, it's not yea, the process. It's right,

1061
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's only helpful. It's only so helpful. Um

1062
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: what am I saying? My god, it's it's only to

1063
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: be so self aware. Yes, yeah, that's all it is. Um,

1064
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: I have a random question off of this. But I

1065
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: was thinking of I was thinking of you, Mowen because uh,

1066
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: we didn't you know, we we didn't know the Emmys

1067
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: were gonna be on a Monday, so we had our

1068
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: show on emy night. We didn't we would never have

1069
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: missed it, but the Union Hall only gave us one.

1070
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: But but um, I thought of you when I was

1071
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: like watching the clubs later, Mr and Mrs Oh, Mr

1072
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: and Mrs Go. I was here for the whole fam

1073
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: I go. I want to know how that would feel.

1074
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they seem wonderful. I'm very familiar with

1075
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: Mr and Mrs Oh, she brings them. She brings them

1076
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: to talk shows all the time. That was my first

1077
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: time seeing them. So wonderful. Her mom, her mom wore

1078
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: a humbook. It's gorgeous. She looked amazing, she looked amazing.

1079
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: I love that hair, hair, and just I don't know,

1080
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was just very special. And

1081
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it means good things in the

1082
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: future for her. We can't be disappointed about her losing,

1083
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: because the thing and the thing is she doesn't give

1084
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: a shut, she doesn't give a ship. And also somebody

1085
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: very deserving did win. And that's my thing is it's

1086
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: like a little bit I don't think so honey, everyone

1087
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: being like with the winners, it's like you guys, television

1088
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: is so good, right, like they're talented. Category was stacked,

1089
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: but you know who I was gagged one Tandy that

1090
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: was wonderful. That was so exciting. It And that's another

1091
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I always say every year.

1092
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: I am always pissed when someone that was deserving the

1093
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: first year who loses wins the second year. But I

1094
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: didn't give a funk with that. I don't care. Also,

1095
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, huge that Henry Winkler one, and I

1096
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: love that he said kids go to bed. His kids

1097
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: are in their forties. That that's what Henry Winklers give me.

1098
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: Henry Winkler's Twitter, him holding varieties of fish he's caught

1099
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: is literally my favorite thing, like a vision board. That

1100
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: man is having a great time. Okay, he has caught

1101
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: a trout. He has caught a rainbow trout and he

1102
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: is loving it. And it's just like a beautiful Henry

1103
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Winklers smile and a fish and nothing. He's basically playing

1104
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: a version of himself on do you could you guys watch? Yes,

1105
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: Paula Newsom, I think huge. She plays the detective. Oh

1106
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: yeah about spoiler alert. She like gets into some stuff

1107
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: with Henry Winkler's character. How did you feel about that? Now?

1108
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean another interracial couple our type Jewish Jewish and

1109
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: black or just what black? I mean, I'm Jewish. But

1110
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: this is the thing I was saying on stage. I

1111
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: didn't realize this. It's it's taken me a while, but

1112
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: like I grew up Jewish in Pennsylvania and we're it's different.

1113
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: We're like surrounded by white power groups, like they just

1114
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: like if you had a map you would just see

1115
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: swatstickas dotting the landscape Pennsylvania. And so I grew up

1116
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: like very like you know. Or Mike my six my

1117
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: best friend in sixth grade, ended our friendship by going,

1118
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: I wish Hitler I killed your family. I just like wept,

1119
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: just start crying, like in like home room or something.

1120
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: I can't It was like towards the end of the day,

1121
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: you go back to home room. I remember saying that

1122
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: cruel flippant. Yeah, it's I'm sure racism was that flippant. Yes,

1123
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: So a jew from Pennsylvania is a different I realized

1124
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: this last night, Like I present in New York or

1125
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: l A, I presented just a white man or his

1126
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: nami would say quite hite, quite, And so it's I'm

1127
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: not I'm not used to that. I'm not I'm used

1128
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: to being like, oh, I'm the one everyone's going to

1129
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: like when ship gets bad, I'm the one that's going

1130
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: to be shoved to a train car and taken off somewhere. Um.

1131
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: But so, I I don't know how to answer, But Henry, yes,

1132
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: you're saying completely right that discussion like who's white, who's Jewishes? Whatever?

1133
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: Whereas like it's because I feel like it was a

1134
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: conversation we had early on Andy, like, because you know,

1135
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York. I went to private

1136
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: school in the Epper east Side. Honey, I was like,

1137
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: you Jewish, Okay, you're driving, you know, I know be Roses.

1138
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know obviously, you know, I knew the history,

1139
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: but what it meant, you know, now we're coming up

1140
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: or as a kid in the nine does go to

1141
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: school in Park Avenue. I didn't see it right, And

1142
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: then you know, like, oh, right, right, right if you're

1143
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think for most others, you know, right,

1144
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: if you're away from major city. Yeah, in Pennsylvania, we're

1145
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: just like we're at ziclon A level when we're one

1146
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: step away from cyclon being right down there. What a

1147
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 1: time dark? Yes, maybe the darkest. It keeps it light.

1148
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I love about from it. We went

1149
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: from Flintstone to gas Chambers. But he can juxta that's

1150
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: a full spectrum. He can flip, he can flip between

1151
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: the two. Well, it keeps you going sometimes. I said, Honey,

1152
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: if you ever got Alzheimer's, I don't know if i'd know,

1153
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: because you'd be saying some stuff and juxtaposing where I'm like,

1154
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: are you here? Were there already? The dementia plocks are

1155
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: in the brain. That's fear. Oh no, no, no, grandfather

1156
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: had the worst thing you can do as someone who

1157
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: may be suffering me potentially, haven't Alzheimer's think about it?

1158
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: What do you mean? This is the it's because if

1159
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: you think about having Alzheimer's, are you talking about a

1160
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: panic at someone? If you think about someone else having Alzheimer's,

1161
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: that means they will No, no no, no. If you panic

1162
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: about having Alzheimer's and you fixate on it, that's a

1163
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: bad thing to do. My mom's doing that. My mom's

1164
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: been doing that for the last twenty years. She's got

1165
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: to stop. This is why I'm not going to have

1166
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: sex with her. She's so insane. She wouldn't think about that.

1167
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: It'd be on I put it down. Oh my god,

1168
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: your sister Yang something to this. She's so furious. She

1169
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: loves that. She loves that, she loves it. Sister yangis

1170
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: in uh is a juice living in a white sumacy.

1171
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: Were talked about this episode. I said, Bowen Yang is

1172
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: the one that's closer to being the Jebu. Well, literally,

1173
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like, I'm like, she is an

1174
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: Asian Jew in the South. Yes, girl, you're on the

1175
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: front line. She's in Atlanta. She's doing great. But she

1176
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: they did. They did do a great Atlanta joke at

1177
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: the Emmy's last Night, which I loved, where there was like, um,

1178
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: I think it was a chain made a joke. It

1179
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: was like uh. And and and there's this new show

1180
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: called fifteen Miles Outside of Atlanta that that's a that's

1181
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: an all white cast or something they're they're doing. All right,

1182
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: we beard of Atlanta called love. Um, okay, I think

1183
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: it's time. It's time for I don't think so, honey,

1184
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: oh Andy just oh my god, tightened, tightened, Oh my god,

1185
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: he's open to notes and he's got oh I love

1186
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: a prepared queen. And we we stand up prepared. We

1187
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: stand u prepared queen. We just had Max Silvestri and

1188
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: who delivered a great one written out and we and

1189
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: this this is truly a sea change moment for us

1190
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: because we realized that we have to bring we have

1191
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: to bring our a game. We gotta bring our a

1192
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: game because you know what's crazy is like everyone's like, oh,

1193
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys like it's like we're out of

1194
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: the three people we've had to do it. Like I'm

1195
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: gonna rank us at like a hundred sixty eight. I'm

1196
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: in the third percent time. I'm like, you know, I'm

1197
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm like in the middle of the pack. Yes, but

1198
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: we want some people fall We've got We've got some

1199
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: titans here. So here we go. Matt, you want to

1200
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: go first. You went with the first last time. I

1201
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: can go first. You want to go first? Generous first?

1202
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: Canst first? First? Hey, this is Rogers. Take in your

1203
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: face my love. Um uh is Matt Rogers. I don't

1204
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: think so many times starts now. I don't think so

1205
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: honey that the Oscars are going to be shorter. Bit.

1206
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: We like the long Oscar. We are gay. We want

1207
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: the long Oscars. We want every original song performed in full.

1208
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: If not, I don't think so honey. I don't think

1209
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: so honey that we're not getting full clips of all

1210
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: the nominated films with people coming out. And I don't

1211
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: think so honey that every performer's entrance is in a

1212
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: full minute long. I don't think, so honey, I want

1213
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: a long Oscars. You're gonna condense the Oscars to two hours, bitch.

1214
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: I love staying up at the next It reminds me

1215
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: of when I was little and have that decade moment

1216
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: where I'd lay out all the snacks and I'd stay

1217
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: up until one in the morn to see if Anette

1218
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: Benning was gonna win for American Beauty. She did not

1219
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: that year. It was Hillary Swank and boys, don't cry questionable.

1220
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't think any of that win, or maybe either

1221
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: of her wins. I don't think so money that Hillary

1222
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: Swank has two Oscar wins and a Nette Benning has zero.

1223
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: And why am I able to say I don't think so, honey,

1224
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: This because I have a long history of hours spent

1225
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: watching the Oscars. Let me watch a long Oscars as

1226
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: part of my gay culture. And that's one minute they

1227
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: said they were gonna take. They made two changes to

1228
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: the Oscars. They were adding the best popular film, which

1229
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: has been rescinded agree with, and they were gonna shorten

1230
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: the Oscars and they're going to keep a short bitch. No,

1231
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: we like the long I'm here for the full night,

1232
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: as you said, especially thinking as the kids that that

1233
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: Sunday night and it was like stay up late on Sunday,

1234
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: which was always like a school nights. It's an event.

1235
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: You're here for the two hours. I mean with all

1236
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: those commercials, it's not so bad. And it's such a

1237
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like a culture, like I

1238
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: want to see everything. You know, I sort of got

1239
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to cut the memorial? They're

1240
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,439
Speaker 1: not gonna cut the worry, but they're going to cut

1241
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: like a lot of categories. I mean what I'm saying

1242
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: they got to I mean, I mean, you're not gonna

1243
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: see like sound mixing, sound editing, centimatography. You're not going

1244
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: to see that ship. You're probably honestly, you're probably gonna

1245
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: see the big the big ones. So acting, you'll see

1246
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: all those because of course you'll see you'll see like

1247
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: whatever wins for song, because it's going to be the

1248
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: performances you know they're writing. They always give you adapted

1249
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: in original screen, right honestly, Oh my god, what they

1250
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: what do they give you? None of the like international animation,

1251
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: give you a foreign film, well right, but even you

1252
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: know shorts and the and the features, and I'm like,

1253
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Like that? You know that's a

1254
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: huge motion. It's like give them their time on stage,

1255
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: hour out of it, and I would imagine that they're

1256
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: not going to cut the song performances because when you

1257
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: have Gaga up there potentially doing it. And also Choice

1258
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: Savan is actually gonna have you race Okay, it's boy

1259
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: a race, just a gritty love Simon. What's going on there?

1260
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: And I think that is one way to market it. No, no, no,

1261
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: I was just like I was like Planet Toronto. Love

1262
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: Simon is dealing more with I'm I'm gay and it's

1263
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: my problem, whereas like the conflict of boy or racist

1264
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: specifically the conversion it was Love Gilda supposed to be

1265
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: a takeoff on Love Simon. I don't think so. The

1266
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: bit I don't think. I don't think that oification. How

1267
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: dare you one word? And if that was a bit,

1268
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: but I don't approve. I did. I did cry at

1269
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: the loved Oh my god. It was we saw that.

1270
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: We saw the movie that ride, Yes, we saw it.

1271
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: It was lovely, oh my god. And actually I would say,

1272
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up uh as yeah, you know,

1273
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: And I wasn't someone even though I do comedy, I

1274
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: wasn't intually like a comedy nerd and ingest. I didn't

1275
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: start watching us an Lu till like the Terry years.

1276
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think I would say the same,

1277
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: so like I didn't, but like you know, so to

1278
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: see her story. I mean when I knew her, you know,

1279
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 1: in my head, I knew her as being a comedian

1280
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: power couple with Gene Wilder before good Rich. So you

1281
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: have to see it. Everyone, Um, your phone went to

1282
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: Okay here, Sorry, this is just a behind the scenes moment. Okay,

1283
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: this is I don't think so honey on this episode

1284
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: and this time starts now, I don't think so honey.

1285
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: These ships I've been taking the last couple of a week,

1286
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: I am dumping out beef stew into my bowl every morning,

1287
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: and I can't do it anymore. I'm getting very concerned.

1288
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: And I'm on a threat with lovely people and a

1289
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: dres and the cold silver great to win. It's the

1290
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: billy domino. We call it. We call it um ploppers

1291
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: or something. We all text each other as soon as

1292
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: we take it exactly what it's called. And it's definitely

1293
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: called no but no. The reason I don't know it's

1294
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: because it changes every week, and so someone changes I am.

1295
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't like what's coming out of and no, and

1296
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: I really have been taking problematic ships for the last

1297
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: twelve months and I no doctor will give me a

1298
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: straight answer. They're saying, you know, just eat more fiber.

1299
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, no, I'm if I ate a whole salary

1300
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: stock every second of the day. I this would not

1301
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 1: change anything. I think I need to do less. Fleet

1302
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: enemas he's been too busy. He's trying to get ready

1303
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: for anal. No, I don't do it. I don't have

1304
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: anal an. It's all about fraud, frodagda cottage. I've had

1305
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: some of the best sexual experiences of my life performing fotage.

1306
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: There is like this weird like subculture subreddit of gay

1307
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: of gay man who are just like, yeah, no, no,

1308
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: anal just just rubbed it until we and it's pretty solid,

1309
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: so to speak. Well now, it's also it's been like

1310
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: this for a long time. About a year ago, I

1311
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: was having an interesting time with my poops as well,

1312
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: and then I got out of it. I've seen the

1313
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: other side. I'm so devastated to here that you're not

1314
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: but you're not alone, Okay, I'm here with you, and

1315
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna get an oscarpa. Honey, I'm

1316
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: getting in there. Get it. Do you get a camera

1317
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: I have covered? Honey, if you got coverage, get it covered.

1318
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: That's what I say. I'm getting in there and I'm

1319
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: getting answers. You want a camera up, I'm getting it.

1320
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't want it, but I'll do what needs to

1321
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: be done. There's nothing more humiliating than going for a

1322
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: butt whole problem to the doctor. You're gonna put up.

1323
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: You're gonna grab that. Yeah, only if it's a nice

1324
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: looking picture. Go live, baby. Okay. I think I think

1325
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: it's time for Naomi to go, because I really don't think.

1326
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: I don't really don't think. Stopped looking and you've got

1327
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: it garbage you got written now, man, I just had

1328
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: to pull that out of our asses to one of us.

1329
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: Literally and okay, Andy, as a first timer, we're gonna

1330
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: save you for last, I think. And it's Naomi time.

1331
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: This is gonna go so well, this is Naomi Pegins.

1332
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, her time starts now. I

1333
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. These dangerous white men who say

1334
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: I've learned to forgive myself, okay, I don't think it's

1335
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: about what you think about yourself, because if we could

1336
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,879
Speaker 1: have trust your judgment, we would have been a situation

1337
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: to begin Honey. I don't. I don't need to name

1338
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: a name here, honey, because the list is too long.

1339
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: It's not about specifics, it's about the general deciding when

1340
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: you are done right, populist, you don't get to make

1341
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:58,879
Speaker 1: the decisions anymore, honey. I don't think so, Honey, coming

1342
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: at us and you feel right, I think your preoccupation

1343
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: with what makes you feel good is the problem. Honey.

1344
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to know what you feel

1345
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: about you. I'm gonna tell you what I feel about you. Yes,

1346
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: we are going to take a collective We're gonna have

1347
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: a collective text message chat, honey, and we're gonna tell

1348
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: you when we're ready for you to be forgiven. And

1349
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: that's one minute. This thing of I feel it's time.

1350
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 1: I feel I'm ready to be forgiven? Are you talking

1351
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: about not sentetically? It's a no no. Have you ever

1352
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: said that in a relationship? I didn't yell. I know,

1353
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: I didn't. I know I screamed that, your mom, I'm

1354
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: ready to be forgiven? Who is that? But that is

1355
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: a very dad thing to say. That this is my

1356
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: new character and the conflict is over right, I decide

1357
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 1: when we are done here, and oh, my dad would

1358
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: pull that it all the time. And I even has

1359
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: a seven year old to be like, no, my sense

1360
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: of judgment was so thrown back then, just because there

1361
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: is this thing of like, I know everything period, you

1362
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just that you totally you know,

1363
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: as long as a human walk in the earth, but

1364
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: you have to put up with yeah. And then but

1365
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: then like once once you developed that vocabulary, like now,

1366
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: like I've called my dad out like retroactively and been like, oh, yeah,

1367
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: all those fights we had as kids, when we were kids,

1368
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: like that was you know, that was bullshit? Right? He

1369
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I know, how do you say bye

1370
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: bitch in Mandarin? It's it's longer than by a bitch,

1371
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: it's more syllables. We'll go ahead. Oh I love that

1372
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: was magical? Am I saying? Close enough? Good? I'm into it.

1373
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: But it's not. It doesn't have that same punch. And

1374
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: I felt the Yeah, I felt it. Excited, Okay, I

1375
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: felt it. I felt a tangle everywhere, and we're going

1376
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: to feel a tangle now with Andy Backerman's I don't

1377
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: think so. I love This're getting a pepped penny feelings

1378
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: feeling sick to my son, J Honey, you can do this. Yes,

1379
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: you have prepared this. Okay, your crown has been bought

1380
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: and paid for. Where miss Floyd, Oh my god, I

1381
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: love it. Okay, this is and Kerman. I don't think so.

1382
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: Many as time starts now, I don't think so, honey,

1383
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: journalists who put the word a comedian in their Twitter bio.

1384
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: I spent thousands of dollars of my own money at

1385
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: you see, being earned the frigid disapproval of my waspy

1386
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: Jewish parents in order to call myself a comedian. You

1387
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: spent tens of thousands of your dollars of your parents

1388
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: money to go to Columbia j School and hobnob with

1389
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: the strange failed sons of Maggie Haberman and David rem

1390
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: And just because you wrote some slightly sarcastic, as weak

1391
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: as a Norm McDonald apology joke about Trump being a

1392
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: fucking dipshit or something as similarly obvious that Twitter filated

1393
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: you for mostly because your BuzzFeed byeline you think you

1394
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: could call yourself a comedie. I don't think so. Honey,

1395
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: Ben gibber Do a solo performance, and every comment he

1396
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: made between songs that even approach the event horizon of

1397
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: amusing elicited roars of laughter from the very willing audience.

1398
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't see a ten minute chunk on how to

1399
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: divorce a quirky girl on the new Death Cab album

1400
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: because he knows how to stay in his lane. And

1401
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: that's one minute. That's very true. I am spent. That

1402
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: was very good. Congratulations, congratulations, stand the dragon in its

1403
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: face and slits God you made. This is the best

1404
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: kind of the observational one. Both we I talked about

1405
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: my fucking poop and you talked about don't qualify. My

1406
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: mind was gonna stop? Okay, Naomi and Andy Town incisive

1407
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: cultural commentary. Oh what is wrong with these people? I

1408
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: feel you have to be you have to perform to

1409
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: be a comedian. Alright, I'm with you anymore, just put

1410
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: in your Twitter. But now, comedian, listen, know. I also

1411
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 1: don't like to be superior about anything. I mean, I

1412
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: think tweets can be funny, and I think you can

1413
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: be very good at writing them. It's just that you know. Also,

1414
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong comedian with not using instead of using

1415
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: the word comedian, you say humorist or rack, contur, whateverever,

1416
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: but comedian. There is some sort of implicit meaning in

1417
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: you performing on a stage in front of strangers. I

1418
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: also think, good luck calling yourself a comedian and then

1419
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: getting in a room with people who actually are when

1420
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: you've called yourself a comedian all these years and then

1421
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: people find out that you don't, haven't performed whatever. I

1422
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: also really don't like to be superior about it. But

1423
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: it is a thing. It's a thing, and we're look,

1424
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,959
Speaker 1: it's claiming something you haven't earned. Sure, but it's not superiority.

1425
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: It's it's just about like just it's fine, like stay

1426
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: in your as Andy Beckerman one said, stay in your

1427
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: own or you know what, go out there and do Mike,

1428
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: go out there and put put a show up. Yeah,

1429
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,480
Speaker 1: there's start whenever. It's never too late to start, never never.

1430
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: And we just want the cultural cachet of comedies in now.

1431
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,879
Speaker 1: Guys they want that even though really they're just writing,

1432
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 1: you know what, listicles things like that. I can't believe

1433
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: you. You You threw in a Mackie Haber name David remnick name,

1434
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: little little little little barbed that love that barbicious bou Brella.

1435
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: That's gonna be that's gonna be your name for me

1436
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: now Barbararella with Jane Fonda. Yes, is the same. Wow.

1437
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: This is truly a special episode, phenomenal, phenomenuse episode. And

1438
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: I would say that it felt like therapy. It truly did.

1439
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this in any sort of facetious way.

1440
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for the asking those questions and yeah, that

1441
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: was really good, and thank you for facilitating all. I mean,

1442
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: this only happens because and this is what I said

1443
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: on the top of the show, Andy Naomi just set

1444
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: the tone right, they come in, wrecked, come correct, say

1445
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: something beautiful and point that would be the last thing

1446
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: our listeners here. So much pressure. Um. I I'm feeling

1447
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: very volunty right now. My heart is very open, and

1448
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you three could come in and build

1449
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: a fire and cook a stew that we could all enjoy.

1450
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 1: Don't how dare you mentioned stews? So I just prepared

1451
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: my fecal matter to beef stews. This is preach uw

1452
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: stew preach, preach, Thank you, thank you, um, and I'll

1453
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: just keep it simple. You know, something from one of

1454
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: our favorite movies. If you want to be somebody, if

1455
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: you wanna go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention. Wow,

1456
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, lady Day, lady Day, we can't you

1457
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: know what we end that we you You and I

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