1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: of you hanging out with us as we roll into 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: the third hour of the program, and we are having 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: a fabulous time. And we are joined now by the 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: first guest of the day. And I've been told that 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: her husband has spectacular taste in radio. I am a 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: monster fan. We're talking to Kim Strassel. She's got a 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: new book, The Biden Malaise, How America bounces back from 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's dismal repeat of the Jimmy Carter Years. You 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: are a Kim columnist and editorial board member of the 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, and I'm gonna fan girl out. 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: Here a little bit. 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: I absolutely love the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal. 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: I've said this on the show before, Kim. I think 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: the two most trusting and important pages that are produced 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: in American media every day are you're at atorials and 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: then all the op eds that you guys run. 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: I always thought. 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: That, but the willingness that you all had to put 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: out truthful analysis during COVID was so I felt one 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: a lot of times like I was walking in a 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: desert and every now and then we'd just get to 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: drink from an actual oasis because it was so rare. 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: So thanks for all that you guys have done. 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 4: Tell us about the book, Well, first of all, let 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 4: me fanboy back to you. I am a huge fan 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: and as I mentioned as well, every day my husband 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: walks into my office and said, you want to know 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 4: what clam Buck just said, So he is a fan. 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 5: Never miss it. 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 4: So the book is essentially a comparison of the Jimmy 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: Carter and Joe Biden years, and it goes through the 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 4: kind of eerie similarities between those two administrations separated by 36 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: forty four years, and there's a lot right inflation, high 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: energy prices, foreign policy debius, problems at the border, high crime. 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 4: The list goes on. But the central premise of the 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: book is that that comparison is fundamentally unfair to Jimmy Carter. 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 6: Now tell us why, Yeah, So in what way people 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 6: comparison for years? 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay, So here's why it's unfair. 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: I think it's both a question of what they inherited 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: and also intent. So Jimmy Carter was dealt a much 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 4: tougher hand. All right, we already had the Great Inflation 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: raging around the globe. We'd had a world oil shock, 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: we had the Cold War. He inherited high crime rates. 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: This is in star contrast to Joe Biden, who was 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 4: dealt a pretty awesome hand, yet an economy that was 50 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 4: just about to round the corner and come blaring and. 51 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 5: Blasting out of COVID. 52 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: We had just a couple of years prior to his 53 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: taking office become a net exporter of fossil fuels. Crime 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: was not necessarily an issue at that time. The border 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: certainly doesn't look anything like it does now. And so 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 4: my argument being is that he took a good situation 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: and managed to destroy it essentially. 58 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 5: But the other. 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 4: Argument is that is intent and that Jimmy Carter the 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: wrap on him. He had a bad he inherited a 61 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 4: bad situation, but he was well meaning, He was just incompetent, 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: and he was engulfed by a series of crises. Fundamentally, 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: this was not a guy, though, who wanted bad things 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 4: to happen in the country, or who wanted to turn 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: us into a European style social welfare state. 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 5: That's in contrast, I think to Joe Biden. 67 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: Who's been very deliberate in these policies and the spending 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: for new entitlement programs in this climate agenda, which is 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: really squelching our domestic industry. And these are all being 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: done for ideological goals even though they're causing real economic harm. 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 6: Hey, Cam, it's Buck, Thanks for being with us. The 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 6: book that Kim Strassele has is The Biden Malaise, which 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 6: is just out of Check it out, Kim. Something we 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 6: talk about often here is are the Democrats all in 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 6: when push comes to shove? Are they all in on 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 6: Biden two point zero at eighty something years of age, 77 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 6: or do you think you've written a book on this, 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 6: You've looked deep into all things Biden. Do you think 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 6: that there's either a threshold that they could pass in 80 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 6: the next six months or have they already passed it 81 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 6: where they really are scrambling to come up with some 82 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 6: kind of a plan B. 83 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 5: Fifty to fifty. 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 4: I think there's a fifty to fifty chance somebody gets 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 4: in still to challenge them. Look, one thing I've always 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 4: given democrats they have a lot more discipline than Republicans do. 87 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 4: They're far more unified. That's a good thing and a 88 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 4: bad thing. In my mind, better for them on politics, 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 4: probably not better for the country in terms of policy. 90 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 4: But you know, they have decided that they're going to 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 4: stick with their horse or not going to abandon them. 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: But it's very difficult. I do not see how you 93 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 4: could be a Democrat looking at at the bing ball 94 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 4: that is becoming the White House and this president and 95 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 4: his performance and not be very very nervous. And I 96 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: think that's why you said, I mean, look, Gavin Newsom 97 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 4: essentially is a presidential candidate in waiting. He's all but 98 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 4: out there in a campaign. He's just waiting. I think 99 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: it's gonna if we have some sort of crisis in 100 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 4: the White House, if he has some sort of health scare, 101 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 4: if there's some moment of like really bad, bad call 102 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: that really reflects badly and the polls go even lower, 103 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 4: that might be the moment. 104 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: Kim, I said that I super trust everything that you 105 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: guys do at the Wall Street Journal, and I'm curious 106 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: how you would assess the other coverage that you see, 107 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: and Buck and I talk a lot about one of 108 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: the biggest and this goes for our show too, but 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: certainly any media entity one of the biggest decisions. Maybe 110 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: the biggest decision is what do you cover? And then 111 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: when you cover something, how do you feature it? How 112 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: do you help distribute it so that people become aware 113 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: of it. We were talking earlier in the show about 114 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: the Irs whistleblowers and their report. I actually looked because 115 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: I'm old, old man. Still I like to get the newspaper. 116 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: I believe the New York Times buried at bottom of 117 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: page sixteen. One reason I like the physical newspaper is 118 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: it allows you to see editorial judgment. I think the 119 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal had it on page four, page five. 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: Do you think when you see the way that the 121 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: New York Times and the Washington Post. I used to 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: read those newspapers all the time I went to school 123 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: in DC. They were left leaning, but there wasn't a 124 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: willful blindness in the way that they covered things. It 125 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: doesn't seem to me twenty years ago, is that a 126 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: business imperative is in an editorial imperative. 127 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: What do you think has. 128 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: Happened to those two newspapers. I think that the Wall 129 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: Street Journal has not fallen victim too. I'm just curious 130 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: with you, as an inside view, how you would assess it. 131 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: I would assess it as an abdication of editorial leadership. 132 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: Look, if you. 133 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 4: Look around at the media, and I've been in this 134 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 4: industry a long time, you guys have, there's always been 135 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 4: a left leaning stance. Journalism tends to attract left leaning 136 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: save the world, do gooder types. They often come out 137 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: of the same environments, the same universities. 138 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: But we always relied on an older generation of editors 139 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 5: to kind of. 140 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: Knock that out of them and preserve the tradition of 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: newspapers trying to come across as nonpartisan and trying to 142 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: cover the news fair and equally and put the right 143 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 4: emphasis on the right topics. 144 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 5: Those editors have either left or they. 145 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 4: Have been cowed by an increasingly progressive liberal staff that 146 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: have come in. And this was aided by Donald Trump's 147 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 4: election because they essentially told themselves, Hey, we are now 148 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: morally entitled to get to be biased because we're doing 149 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: good for the country by trying to stop a supposed 150 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: budding authoritarian. They told themselves this, and it's now become 151 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: mantra in these newspapers. They really truly believe that they 152 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 4: practicing journalism instead of just pure advocacy. Which is what's 153 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 4: happening now. 154 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 6: Kim, you think that there's any chance at all that 155 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: I mean, going forward here, we're seeing multiple federal criminal 156 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 6: trials or at least well one federal already and soon 157 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 6: to be announced, probably another one a New York City 158 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 6: criminal truk all these things against Trump. Is there any 159 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 6: chance in your mind that some of the independent, some 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 6: of the swing voters and that middle tranch of the 161 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 6: country ideologically is going to realize how crazy that actually is. 162 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 6: I feel like they've been fed a lot of January 163 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 6: sixth and Trump and it's all so awful. But we're 164 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 6: going into this period where there's going to be at 165 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 6: least I think four, if not five prosecutions, whether civil, 166 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 6: all the way up to federal criminal of Donald Trump 167 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 6: in an election year where he's the top nominee based 168 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 6: on polling right now. 169 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really shocking. 170 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 4: And you know, I think that one of the reasons 171 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 4: that this narrative has taken hold again it goes back 172 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: to the media, which for the past six years has 173 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 4: been normalizing radical behavior. 174 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 5: Right. 175 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: I mean, we constantly get told that it was Donald 176 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 4: Trump who broke norms as standards, it's nothing compared to 177 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 4: what the Democrats have done. 178 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 5: On a daily basis since he took office. 179 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 4: You know, now apparently impeachment is something that's just run 180 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 4: of the mill. Now it's apparently okay for the Department 181 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 4: of Justice to indict the former president of the United 182 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: States on multiple occasions. Look, I'm really hopeful that there 183 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 4: is a middle section of the country who understands the 184 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: terrible precedents that are being set here. And you know, 185 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: part of this is going to come down to and 186 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: what I think is the fatal flaw Jack Smith. I 187 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: have always argued, if you're going to go down this 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: road and do a first and indict a former president, 189 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 4: you better have the. 190 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 5: Most rock solid case ever. You better not be. 191 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 4: Going out on a limb with dubious legal theories and 192 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: a case where you're still not sure you can get 193 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 4: a jury go. If you can't convince ninety percent of 194 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 4: your country that you had a case that was so serious, 195 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 4: you need to take this step. That's where I think 196 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: they could end up losing some people. And you know, 197 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: I think that's likely because if you look at what 198 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: we're hearing he's going to run these cases on, it 199 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: doesn't look very solid. To me, it looks like a 200 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 4: lot of unexplored legal territory that again is going to 201 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: be a first and I think it could be hard 202 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 4: to convince people. 203 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: All Right, So you have drawn a lot of historical 204 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 2: analogies between Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden. Here Jimmy Carter 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: led to Ronald Reagan. Is there anybody that you see 206 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: on the republic inside right now that you think could 207 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: have Reagan like qualities? And what I think is so 208 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: fascinating about Jimmy Carter on the historical analogy is you 209 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: can say that as Carter was elected because of Watergate 210 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: in the fallout, I actually think Biden was elected primarily 211 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 2: because of COVID, and I think he would have lost 212 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: if COVID doesn't happen. Leave aside everything else, I think 213 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: Trump the economy would have been great. I think Trump 214 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: would have won comfortably in twenty But for COVID, what 215 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: is the optimistic thing if you're going to build? Because 216 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: I do think most people would say coming out of 217 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter, the eighties and nineties were pretty fantastic for 218 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: most people in America all the way up to nine 219 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: to eleven, when we obviously had that national tragedy, but 220 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: we had twenty years, an entire generation where a lot 221 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: of people who are listening to us right now, Buck myself, 222 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: your husband probably grew up in the eighties and nineties 223 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: and kind of thought America was awesome. And we just 224 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: argued over who thought America was the best in our 225 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: presidential elections instead of America's the awful, systemically racist, despot 226 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: country that many Democrats seem to think it is today. 227 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, boy, I loved those years and I completely agree 228 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 4: with everything you say. This is a big part of 229 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 4: the book pointing out what came after Jimmy Carter. And 230 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 4: it wasn't just that Ronald Reagan managed to win that 231 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: election with a message of hope, by the way, with 232 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 4: a policy agenda that was way different than what Republicans 233 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: had offered before, but was very solid in its own right. 234 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 4: He didn't just win that election, he changed electoral politics, 235 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 4: as you know, for a generation. And the reason this 236 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: is so important is, I Drew believe we're at a 237 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: similar moment now. 238 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 5: There is an enormous backlash, just like in the Carter. 239 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 4: Years, to the policies that you've seen coming out of 240 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: this White House. You've already seen some Democrat demographic shifts 241 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: on the ground. Certain voters in a particular minorities were 242 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 4: becoming more and more disenchanted with Democratic policies. What the 243 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 4: Republican Party needs at the moment, and I sure hope 244 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: they realize this is they go to do their primary 245 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 4: voting is somebody who I think a has a really 246 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 4: solid policy agenda more along the lines of Reaganism, because 247 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 4: we know it worked, think about those great years you 248 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 4: were talking about, but also is optimistic and wants to 249 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 4: talk a bit about how great this country is, and 250 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: also wants to invite into the party the those who 251 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 4: feel alienated by the Democratic Party, and that means not 252 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: necessarily in some of these huge cultural issues imposing litmus tests. 253 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 6: The author is our friend Kim Strassel. The book is 254 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 6: The Biden Malays, How America bounces back from Joe Biden's 255 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 6: dismal repeat of the Jimmy Carter Years, even though it 256 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 6: is worse than the Jimmy Carter Years. 257 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jenna. Great to have you with you. 258 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 5: Thank you, guys, thank you. 259 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: I have a great day, my friend. 260 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 6: Some organizations are worth fighting for. One of those is 261 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 6: the Preborn Network of clinics nationwide. 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The Clay 281 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 282 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: Welcome back team. 283 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 6: We're gonna get into some of the RFK pushback that 284 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 6: happened this morning on Capitol Hill. 285 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: It was very interesting, very interesting. 286 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 6: Indeed, Uh, he's making more converts to RFK Junior. 287 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: I always have to say the junior, you're. 288 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: Gonna be out doing push ups with us soon, Buck, 289 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: That's right, it canna be. 290 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 6: You know, just gotta shave the chest, get out there 291 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 6: to Venice Beach and start, you know, working on those 292 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 6: pecks and testosterone and some other things too, but still 293 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 6: still respect respect to peck. So Clay, you have a 294 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 6: big announcement for everybody. Want to let you tell everybody 295 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 6: what is going on. 296 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we all know that the first Republican primary 297 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: debate is going to be in Milwaukee on August twenty third, 298 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: So that is basically a month from now. I am 299 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: going to be doing an event the night before that 300 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: in Milwaukee at the Papst Theater. That's Tuesday, the twenty 301 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: second of August, at eight o'clock. We have a monster 302 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: audience in Milwaukee right now listening to us on eleven 303 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: thirty Win News Talk. We appreciate all of you. We 304 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: are going to do. We're going to take over that 305 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: theater and we're going to have an awesome time. You 306 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: can get your tickets a bunch of different ways, but 307 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: I just want Milwaukee. I want all of you to 308 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: know Papston Riverside Box offices over the phone, online, all 309 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: of the info is up at clayandbuck dot com. And 310 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: right now you've got a pre sale code of freedom 311 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: only good for twenty four hours to get your tickets. 312 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: I am told that they are going to go very fast. 313 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: I know, Buck, you've been up to Milwaukee. We have 314 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: an absolute monster audience. We'll have a lot of fun. 315 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: We'll be talking about the debate that will be taking 316 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: place the next day. And you get a copy of 317 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: my book that will be coming out on August eighth, 318 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: American Playbook, as a part of the festivities there being 319 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: in the theater. So it is fantastic. It's going to 320 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: be really fun. Again, you get a copy of my book, 321 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: you get to come watch. The tickets are available right now, 322 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: go get them all over the place. Paps Driverside Box Office, Tuesday, 323 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: August twenty second, at eight. I promise we will have 324 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: a really good time. So we're going to be going 325 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: to a bunch of different cities, but this is going 326 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: to be a big event. The night before the debate, 327 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: and so Milwaukee, I hope you guys will load up 328 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: and fill up that theater and we'll have an awesome 329 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: time together. And I can't wait. I've never been to 330 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: Milwaukee at all, so this will be my first trip 331 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: trip there. I bet we'll have Ali. I think they're 332 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: working on it some fun special guests associated with that 333 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: event too. Again, it's the night before the big premiere 334 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: Republican debate in the primary season. 335 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 6: Is Trump going to show up? I don't think he will. 336 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 6: I don't think he will, and that's going to be interesting. 337 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 6: You know what does that mean for debate night? 338 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 3: Really? 339 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: I think it means that Ron DeSantis is going to 340 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: get ripped to shreds by everybody else because they're going 341 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: to be going after the assuming he's still in second place. 342 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: Everybody's going to be trying to get to second place, 343 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: and it's hard to attack somebody who's not there, which 344 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: is why I think Trump won't be there. 345 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 6: Being a gun owner comes with both privileges and responsibilities. 346 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 6: You know, the thrill of learning to master your firearm 347 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 6: and keeping yourself trained, so your visits to the gun 348 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 6: range are exhilarating, and that's where the responsibilities come in. 349 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 6: Training is important keep your skills sharp. That's also important. 350 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 6: Getting the range can be a little harder than it sounds, 351 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 6: particularly if life is busy. Also, the range near me 352 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 6: is booked a lot of the time, so between visits, 353 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 6: what can you do well? I train at home with 354 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 6: a dry fire practice system. The one I use is 355 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 6: called Mantis X. This is a firearms training system that 356 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 6: is a no AMMO all electronic way to improve your 357 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 6: shooting accuracy. Simply attaches to your firearm like a weapon light, 358 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 6: and you can use it at home or wherever you 359 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 6: can train safely. The mantis X gives you data driven 360 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 6: real time feedback on your technique. It guides you through 361 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 6: drills and courses which helps you improve. For all those 362 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 6: using mantis X, ninety four percent of them improved within 363 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 6: the first half hour or less of usage. Get yours 364 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 6: today mantisx dot com. That's where you go m A 365 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 6: n tis x dot com. The MANTISX system improve your 366 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 6: shooting accuracy all right. So Clay has your thoughts on 367 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 6: the theory here. The Clay theory that RFK Junior is 368 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 6: a possible, maybe even likely frump VP pick. We're not 369 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 6: jumping into that right now. I'm just laying that out there, 370 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 6: if everybody will come back to it. First, we wanted 371 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 6: to hear from or hear the words of mister R. 372 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 5: FK. 373 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 6: Junior this morning when he was testifying at this Weaponization 374 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 6: and Government House Oversight Committee hearing. Here is what our 375 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 6: FK Junior said about mal information and censorship and oh 376 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 6: my play four on this one. 377 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 7: I was the first person censored, as the chairman pointed out, 378 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 7: either Biden administration two days after it came into office 379 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 7: in ordered a truthful and by the way, they had 380 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 7: to invent a new word called malinformation, dude to censor 381 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 7: people like me. There was no misinformation on my Instagram account. 382 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 7: Every and I put on that account was cited and 383 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 7: source the peer reviewed publications or government databases. Nobody has 384 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 7: ever pointed to a single piece of misinformation that I publish. 385 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 7: I was removed for something they called malinformation. Malinformation is 386 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 7: information that is true, but it is inconvenient to the 387 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 7: government they don't want people to hear. 388 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 6: Basically, Clay the expansion from disinformation to misinformation to malinformation. 389 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 6: So disinformation intentionally dishonest stuff meant to tell people things 390 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 6: that are untrue. Misinformation I think is uh when people 391 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 6: are sharing stuff that is not true but aren't doing 392 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 6: so intentionally to deceive, And malinformation is now sharing information that, 393 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 6: while true, we don't like and is not helpful to 394 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 6: the overall cause. So those are all different categories of 395 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 6: censorship under the Abiden regime. 396 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: That's a good description of all those different ones because 397 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: I've been kind of using disinformation and misinformation interchangeably because 398 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: I feel like there isn't often times much of a distinction. Right, 399 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: that is a CIA guy over here. You know, I 400 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: don't know these things. CIA officer, by the way, not 401 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: an agent. 402 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: I got it. 403 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 6: Uh. 404 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: So the what's interesting is when you break this down, 405 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: I think we also have do we have RFK Junior? 406 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: When one of the congresswoman, congresswoman from Miami area I think, 407 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: who's Democrat, tries to censor RFK Junior. 408 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: I think we have this audio, right, guys of. 409 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 2: Her demanding at a hearing on the perils of censorship 410 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: without a trace of irony. This congress woman tries to 411 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: censor what RFK Junior. 412 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: You can't say. 413 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 6: She's like, I'm here for the censorship hearing, so we 414 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 6: can censor more people. 415 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean this is crazy. Do we have that? Guys? 416 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: I think we done. 417 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 8: If we're suing to House Rule eleven clause two, which 418 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 8: mister Kennedy is violative of. I moved that we would 419 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 8: move into executive session because mister Kennedy has repeatedly made 420 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 8: despicable anti Semitic and anti Asian comments as recently as 421 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 8: last week. Rule eleven, clause two says whenever it is 422 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 8: asserted by a member of the committee that the evidence 423 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 8: or testimony of the hearing may tend to defame, degrade, 424 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 8: or incriminate any person, or it is asserted by a 425 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 8: witness that the evidence or testimony that the witness would 426 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 8: give it a hearing may tend to defame, degrade, or 427 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 8: incriminate the witness, And it goes on. Mister Kennedy, among 428 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 8: many other things, has said I know a lot now 429 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 8: about bioweapons. We put out hundreds of millions of dollars 430 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 8: into ethnically targeted microbes. The Chinese have done the same thing. 431 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 8: In fact, COVID nineteen there is an argument that it 432 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 8: is ethnically targeted. COVID nineteen attacks certain races disproportionately, the 433 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 8: races that are most immune to COVID nineteen. 434 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: Are a lady making emotion or speech. 435 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 8: And I've made a motion to move into executive session 436 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 8: because mister Kennedy's testimony. 437 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 5: Chairman, I moved to table emotions. 438 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 6: Gentleman from Kentucky has moved to table. 439 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 5: Question is the chairman? 440 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 8: I asked for a roll call vote on the on 441 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 8: the motion to table. 442 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 5: Click report, mister chairman. 443 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 4: There are ten eyes and eight nos. 444 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 3: The motion to table is agreed to. 445 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So they tried to censor our FK Junior and 446 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: back here, let me build this for you. 447 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 6: Think about, not even on what he's saying at the hearing, 448 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 6: the track censor and based on stuff that was said 449 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 6: last week, not even in the hearing. 450 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: Correct. 451 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: And what's interesting here is don't miss what's going on 452 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: because there's also a really good clip of RFK Junior 453 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: defending the First Amendment in the marketplace of ideas. But 454 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: he is running attempting to be the Democrat nominee. The 455 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: Democrats on that House committee tried to censor one of 456 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: their presidential candidates from being able to speak publicly at 457 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: that hearing. Think about how wild that is? Now connect it. 458 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: Trump is a dis This is why I think RFK 459 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: Junior as a vice presidential candidate is very realistic. Trump 460 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: is a disruptor. What is the most disruptive choice that 461 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: Trump could make as his vice president? We talked about 462 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: basically the world I think now is not defined as 463 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: much by Republican and Democrat as it is establishment and 464 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 2: anti establishment. 465 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 3: And this is why we put up a couple of polls. 466 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: You guys in this audience have overwhelmingly said, yeah, you 467 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: would vote for RFK Junior over Mitt Romney, over Mike Pence. 468 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: I think that is a sign of the anti establishment 469 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: views of Robert F. Kennedy Junior are attractive more than 470 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: the establishment views of a Romney Mike Pence. And we 471 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: use Paul Ryan as another example. Trump was originally in 472 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, the definition of an anti establishment candidate. 473 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: Buck. 474 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: You have pointed out it's a challenge to run as 475 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: an an anti establishment candidate when you're the former president 476 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: of the United States, because that is the definition of establishment. 477 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: So how could he reclaim some of that, some of 478 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: that rebellious anti establishment. 479 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 3: Vibe. 480 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: I would say that characterize so much of his success 481 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. I think RFK Junior could be that path, 482 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: and RFK Junior can rightly say the Democrat party, which 483 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: I voted Democrat before you I've said this publicly, has 484 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: lost its mind. And I think one reason that I 485 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 2: think the most important thing in America today, regardless of party, 486 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: is we have to have a robust, uninhibited marketplace of ideas. 487 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: There are lots of Democrats that I think reparations is 488 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: a looney idea. We've made fun of how looney that 489 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: idea is. I don't think that any Democrat or left 490 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: winger who wants to argue in favor of reparations should 491 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: be censored and not allowed to make that argument, even 492 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: though I think it's ludicrous. This to me is the 493 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: foundation of a winning argument that Trump, in conjunction with 494 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: RFK Junior could could run. I also think buck RFK 495 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: Junior inoculates Trump interestingly from some of his which I 496 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: think is the worst aspect of Trump's candidacy right now, 497 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: is that he's still trying to defend the COVID shot, 498 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: which I think is the worst public health be clear 499 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: that our country has made. 500 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 6: RFK Junior took some shots at the Trump administration for 501 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 6: going along with Fauci and the censorship and all the 502 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 6: rest of it, which doesn't get talked about on the 503 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 6: right very much. 504 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 8: But it. 505 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 6: Wasn't what it should have been in twenty twenty either. 506 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 6: In twenty twenty one they went full Stalin, but in 507 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 6: twenty twenty things should have gotten a little better, a 508 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 6: little faster. I think that's a fair point to make. 509 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 6: But here's RFK Junior on the First Amendment saying that 510 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 6: it was it's not about the easy speech. It's the 511 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 6: speech that people do not like. Play three. 512 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 7: This is a letter and many of you signed, many 513 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 7: of my fellow Democrats, one hundred and two people sign this. 514 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 7: This itself is evidence of the problem that this hearing 515 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 7: was convened to address. This is an attempt to censor 516 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 7: a censorship hearing. And by the way, censorship is anesthetical 517 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 7: to our party. It was it was appalling to my father, 518 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 7: to my uncle, to Fdr Harry Truman, Thomas Jefferson. We 519 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 7: need to be able to talk. And the First Amendment 520 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 7: was not written for a easy speech. It was written 521 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 7: for the speech that nobody likes you for. 522 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: You know, Clay, That's all true. 523 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 6: But the Democrat Party today and anyone who needs an 524 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 6: example of this, Just look at the way they view 525 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 6: hate speech law. Yes, hate speech for their censorship. I 526 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 6: hate to have to, like, you know, say the obvious here, 527 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 6: but Democrats they decide, oh, no, if you say something 528 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 6: about people that's like really a setting to us, you're 529 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 6: not allowed to say that anymore. That is censorship. That 530 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 6: is not what the First I mean, that is not 531 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 6: respecting the First Amendment. The Democrat Party no longer believes in, 532 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 6: or adheres to, in principle or practice, the right of 533 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 6: free speech as enshrined in the First Amendment. 534 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: No doubt. 535 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 2: And I mean, what's wild on this is it represents 536 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: the full culmination of the idea that words are are violence. 537 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: Not acts are violence, but words are. And so I 538 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: bet just about everybody out there listening to us right now, 539 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: at some point in their childhood heard the old homily 540 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will 541 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 2: never hurt you. That was kind of the foundation of 542 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: how kids twenty forty sixty years ago were raised. Nowadays, 543 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: we tell kids if someone says something that hurts your feelings, 544 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: that's an attack upon you. That shouldn't be allowed. We 545 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: have to police. I mean this happens on college campuses 546 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: all the time. We have to police what is said 547 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: in classrooms, we have to police what is said in 548 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: private conversations. And the Democrat Party is no longer a 549 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: party of free speech. And Robert F. Kennedy, I think, 550 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a powerful argument to make 551 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: my dad RFK RFK Senior, John F. Kennedy FDR all 552 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: the way up to Thomas Jefferson, Harry Truman. He cited 553 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: a bunch of Democrats who would have fundamentally reputed. 554 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: The repudiated the idea that. 555 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: You should be able to censor what someone says if 556 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: you don't like their opinion. 557 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: And I just. 558 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if the Democrat Party is ever going 559 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 2: to return to sanity, but I do think there are 560 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: twenty or thirty percent of Democrats who were persuadable and sane. 561 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: And I wonder if Trump was able to use RFK Junior, 562 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: whether that would be a connective tissue that would make sense. Now, 563 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: I still think Buck we talked about this a lot. 564 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: Brian kemp is who the vice presidential choice should be, 565 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: Glenn Youngkin. If either one of those guys could deliver 566 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: their states to me, it's a no brainer. Actually, go 567 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: pick a VP who can deliver a state. But if 568 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: you were not doing that and you were trying to 569 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: send a message, I don't know that a more prominent 570 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: message could be sent in the event that Trump were 571 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: the nominee than picking somebody like rfk Junior is his 572 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: running mate. 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Finishing up 598 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 2: the Thursday edition of the program, I would say, man, 599 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of moving parts here in the 600 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: day's news cycle, and we still may have the craziest 601 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: part of the news cycle yet to come, which could 602 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: be Buck the indictment in Washington, DC of Donald Trump, 603 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: which it would not stun either of us if that 604 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: news officially broke potentially tomorrow, and if not tomorrow, I 605 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: would expect at some point next week that news will 606 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: officially come down as well. 607 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 6: Yes, it's going to be quite a moment in time 608 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 6: when all of a sudden we recognize let's count them 609 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 6: up for a second here. Alvin Bragg, New York Document 610 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 6: case basically like election election documentation of expenditures. As crazy 611 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 6: as it is, that is what it is. So Alvin 612 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 6: Bragg New York case, Southern District of Florida, mar A 613 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 6: Lago documents case, the Fannie Willis Georgia case likely to 614 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 6: be announced in the next indictment announced in the next 615 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 6: couple of weeks. That's three, the civil Letitia James New 616 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 6: York State case, four, and then the j six likely 617 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 6: in D. C. Jack Smith indictment that we're maybe gonna 618 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 6: hear about tomorrow or certainly it seems next week. 619 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: Five am I missing one? I think he is. 620 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 6: He is in five cases ranging from civil to federal criminal, 621 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 6: assuming it all goes as it looks like it's going 622 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 6: to in the next uh and we'll know in the 623 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 6: next couple of weeks. Basically if that is at five, Clay. 624 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy and the E. 625 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: Gene Carroll has now sued him again too, right for 626 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: the comments that he made in the CNN interview, So 627 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: technically I guess that would be six. I don't know 628 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: how long it'll take. She said, that's not the state, 629 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: you know, bringing I mean, that's an individual, you know, 630 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: But it's another defamation case that they will treat as 631 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: if it is you know, life for. 632 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 6: The bombing of Pearl Harbor for sure. Yeah, they'll they'll 633 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 6: cover it a lot. Let's take a couple of calls. 634 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 6: We we said we would. We don't think we've taken 635 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 6: any calls so far. Today is Charles and Miami still there. 636 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 6: We were talking about. It was Debbie Wasserman Schultz, by 637 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 6: the way, who was the congresswoman that we played the 638 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 6: audio trying to censor Robert F. Kennedy Junior at a 639 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 6: hearing on censorship, which is just next level crazy Charles, 640 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 6: which got for us. 641 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, w I call her blobermouse Shultz. She was actually 642 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 9: head of the DNC Back in two thousand and sixteen, 643 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 9: the day before the Democrats convention, there were leaked emails 644 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 9: that went out that there was already the underpinnings to 645 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 9: take out Bernie Sanders campaign. Oh yeah, he never complained 646 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 9: because they bought him out. 647 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: I mean the league to emails that showed the crazy 648 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 2: rig job that Hillary Clinton puts in effect against Bernie Sanders. 649 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about, Oh Russia hacked the emails everything 650 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: I actually thought, and Trump got in trouble because he said, well, 651 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 2: I mean, those are interesting emails Russia if you want 652 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: to release some more. But I think that actually was 653 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: supremely journalistically significant that the rig job was in effect 654 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 2: at the DNC. 655 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 3: I mean, I thought that. 656 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 6: The New York Times should know that The New York 657 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 6: Times should have felt competitive in the sense that, oh 658 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 6: my gosh, we should have gotten that stuff. 659 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, we should have figured that. 660 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 6: But of course they didn't feel that way because we 661 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 6: understand their regime propaganda and that's how they operate. 662 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: That is the definition to me of journalism that is 663 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 2: in the public interest, something that would otherwise have been hidden, 664 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 2: that was designed to rig the electoral outcome. Hillary Clinton 665 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 2: had the DNC giving her every bit of help that 666 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 2: they could to keep Bernie from being the nominee, by 667 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: the way, and I think that's why there was an 668 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 2: anti establishment component to Bernie Sanders campaign, even though he's 669 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 2: a left wing loon. And I wish I could never 670 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: forget that he went on his honeymoon to Russia during 671 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 2: the Cold War and came back and talked about how 672 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: amazing Russia was. I mean, just that that's who Bernie 673 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 2: Sanders is, don truck driver. Here we got Jeff Fast, 674 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: you had some thoughts. 675 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 10: Hi, thanks for taking I call clan, but I appreciate it. 676 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 10: And what I wanted to talk about quickly was that 677 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 10: all the things that Joe Biden did and Hunter Biden 678 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 10: did point to one thing, and that is treason or sedition, 679 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 10: because all the money that they kept taking was from 680 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 10: always from energy companies. They kept getting all these millions 681 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 10: of dollars from energy companies. And the first thing that 682 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 10: Joe Biden did when he came into office was reverse 683 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 10: all of Donald Trump's energy policies, weakening the United States 684 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 10: and empowering Russia in Europe in particular. 685 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: And that's a really interesting argument there. I mean, I 686 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 2: hadn't thought about that angle, but he definitely Biden did 687 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 2: attack the energy industry. 688 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 3: Bore tomorrow