WEBVTT - We Didn't Start the Fyre: Fabulous Festival Failures

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zarin Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>Me too?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing really good.

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<v Speaker 4>Me too.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes two of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh glad for us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's happy, it's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's done.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad you asked me too. I got a

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<v Speaker 3>question for you. If you were a telephone scam artist,

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<v Speaker 3>who would be probably the worst target for you to pick?

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<v Speaker 5>Hmmm?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably you because you never answer your phone.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good one. Yeah, no, But okay, who's the

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<v Speaker 3>second worst target you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Pickh an FBI agent?

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<v Speaker 3>How about the former chief of the FBI and also

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<v Speaker 3>former boss of the CIA. Oh right, that'd be bad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very bad.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was this guy, Kaneil Thomas, twenty nine years

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<v Speaker 3>old from Jamaica, and in twenty fourteen, he got on

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<v Speaker 3>a call and he's like, let me go scam these

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<v Speaker 3>old people. And so he calls up this old couple,

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<v Speaker 3>and the old couple happened to be former CIA by

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<v Speaker 3>and former FBI chief William Webster Noyes. So he identifies

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<v Speaker 3>them himself as David Morgan, which is a lie, and

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<v Speaker 3>he says he's the head of Mega Millions lottery, and

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<v Speaker 3>that Webster had won fifteen and a half million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>and a new car, a twenty fourteen Mercedes Benz. So

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<v Speaker 3>he had no idea that who he was targeting was

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<v Speaker 3>actually the former director of the FBI and this and

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<v Speaker 3>then later the CIA under Jimmy Carter and later Ronald Reagan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and Webster was like now in his nineties, he told

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<v Speaker 3>Lester Holt from the NBC Nightly News. At the time,

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<v Speaker 3>it seemed to me that something wasn't quite right. This

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty obvious to me that there was something fishy

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I'd never play the lottery. That's number one.

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<v Speaker 3>And then this guy, the scammer, tells him, you can

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<v Speaker 3>win this Mega millions or whatever, but you have to

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<v Speaker 3>pay fifty thousand dollars to cover the taxes on the price.

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<v Speaker 3>And so then he's like, this sounds a little hanky

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<v Speaker 3>to me. And so his wife, she said it terrified

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<v Speaker 3>me because he then starts threatening them, and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>he tells the couple he's been spying on them and

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<v Speaker 3>if they don't pay, he's gonna does she put it.

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<v Speaker 3>He told me that what the sniper's bullets would do

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<v Speaker 3>to my head and the blood go down on my

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<v Speaker 3>white house. He's like threatening the wife of that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>he's just a phone scammer. So he got busted when

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<v Speaker 3>he landed a JFK International and unaware that he is

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<v Speaker 3>a wanted man because the FBI had been looking for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, So if you're a phone scammer, do a

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<v Speaker 3>little research and make sure you're not calling the former

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<v Speaker 3>head of the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine you're just a regular like civilian, you're and you

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<v Speaker 2>get that kind of call and you're not particularly tech savvy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's talking about a sniper's bullet. Yeah, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>That is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 2>He want to know what else is ridiculous? Junkie jubileese,

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<v Speaker 2>flopping fetes, pooped parties. Yeah, yeah, sure, this is ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, hes and cons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn right, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember when I told you all about the fire festival?

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<v Speaker 2>Fy I forget It's good times right right to the

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<v Speaker 2>episode not the fire festival itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thankfully.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that the episode?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, the jaw rule of it all, those terrible

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<v Speaker 3>sandwiches of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>It was your second favorite part of the story.

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<v Speaker 3>The people who like fled and tried to fight to

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<v Speaker 3>get housing on the island. Yes, that was I could

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really good.

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<v Speaker 3>And like the four wheelers, like them, like going around

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<v Speaker 3>the site and like, yeah, me and Jaw Ruler just

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<v Speaker 3>like hanging out of four wheelers in the sand man.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just tons of nonsense. Well what was your

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<v Speaker 3>favorite part? Now? What was your second favorite part?

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<v Speaker 2>My second favorite part, like you said, the sandwiches, I

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<v Speaker 2>like the maybe I think that was my first the

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of the sandwiches, prison food. The second favorite part,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is jaw rules involvement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, how do you deny the jaw rules? So good?

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the first time and it wasn't the last

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<v Speaker 2>that a festival went sideways. I have hand picked three

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<v Speaker 2>other failed festivals for you today. Really yeah. Rude Dude

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<v Speaker 2>Rose from Instagram suggested a couple of these. She's a

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<v Speaker 2>font of ridiculousness general awesomeness, so hats off to her.

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<v Speaker 2>For the hot tip. Thank you Rose that said I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to start in a city I love.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this rude dude Rose who sent me the pennies? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, the very same hero friend of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I've enjoyed those so much. He sent them like with

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<v Speaker 3>their own little seals, like they each had like a

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<v Speaker 3>cardboard backing. It was amazing, incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Solid rude dude right there. So I'm going to start

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<v Speaker 2>in a city that I love. I used to live there, Glasgow, Scotland.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you do love that? I do love God, I

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<v Speaker 3>I can barely pronounce it. You love it, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm eager to go back and visit. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>too long.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we should do like a rude dude trip.

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<v Speaker 2>We should do a live episode. There's a great art

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<v Speaker 2>scene there, I mean, like Glasgow School of Art is

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<v Speaker 2>like a serious powerhouse like many other former industrial cities,

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<v Speaker 2>though there's a place for artists. They aren't priced out

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<v Speaker 2>just yet, although it gets more and more expensive all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, does it. But then they add to the

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<v Speaker 2>character of the city, and then there's like the humor

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<v Speaker 2>and the personality of the city. So you obviously can't

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<v Speaker 2>paint the people of a place with too broad a brush.

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<v Speaker 2>But the culture of Scotland and Glasgow in particular is

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<v Speaker 2>terribly funny and sharp. There's amazing wordplay, playful insults, and

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, really there's all this warmth and camaraderie.

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<v Speaker 3>Its kind of like a Philadelphia of Scotland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I'm just and even just Scotland writ large

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like this. There's the love the underdog.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it is like that. I always say that

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<v Speaker 2>Glasgow is the Oakland to Edinburgh's Cisco. Okay, there's gallows humor,

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<v Speaker 2>like this dark, self depreciating wit. We saw it when

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<v Speaker 2>the Tartan Army came to the States. Everyone fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Aren't They also the ones who like shout stuff at

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<v Speaker 3>you and you're wearing like a I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 3>a funny hat or like I tried wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's that one Twitter famous Twitter threat of all

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<v Speaker 2>the Irish insults trench coat and was like, oh how

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<v Speaker 2>you doing, inspector gadget like they can take the wind

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<v Speaker 2>out of But the Scots are the same similar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they take the piss, as they say, sometimes self directed

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<v Speaker 2>when something is deserving of mockery. They have like perfected

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<v Speaker 2>the dog pile, you know, like riffing, like they say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know them in the Irish so they can just

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<v Speaker 2>unload hilarious insult after hilarious insult.

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<v Speaker 3>They have great Is there like a Celtic sense of humor?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so? Yeah, And there's great kind of random

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<v Speaker 2>insult names like yeah absolute cabbage. It's just amazing. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's in Glasgow that we begin today. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you all about something called Willy's Chocolate Experience chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>also known as the Glasgow Wonka Disaster.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Willy Wonka.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonka, Willy's Chocolate Experience, which by the way, was spelled

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<v Speaker 2>Willy's Choclate like c h O c l ate Experience

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the official.

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<v Speaker 3>Website Chocolate Chocolate Chocolate. Is that for like legal reasons?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was this unlicensed, supposed immersive all ages event

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<v Speaker 2>that was going to be at the box Hub warehouse

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<v Speaker 2>in Glasgow February twenty twenty four. The whole thing was

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<v Speaker 2>the creation of a guy named Billy Cool, Billy c

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<v Speaker 2>o U L L Cool and his company House of Illuminati.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so right there, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Edgy, Yeah, we were talking serious like Red.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was clearly designed to ride the wave of

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<v Speaker 2>the recent Wonka film at the.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, Oh the Timothy Shall yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Ota, but it had no affiliation with the roll

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<v Speaker 2>Doll estate or the movies, and that brings up licensing

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<v Speaker 2>issues off brand. Yeah. So to get around this, the

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<v Speaker 2>event's chocolate heer was named Willie McDuff and he was

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<v Speaker 2>assisted by green haired Walka Doodles. So the villain was

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<v Speaker 2>called the Unknown and was an evil chocolate maker who

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the factory walls.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, okay, like one person, not like a spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the Unknown. We don't know factory okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is all supposed to go down on the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>of February twenty fourth and twenty fifth in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>and the promotional materials went hard. They were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be like a laborate sets inspired by roll Doll's story

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<v Speaker 2>and treats scattered throughout like fun. Yes, and the ticket

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<v Speaker 2>prices were up to like thirty five pounds of person.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's supposed to be like Willie Wanka's chocolate factory.

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<v Speaker 2>You walk in and that's exactly where we are. And

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, it's immersive like you feel like you're there.

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<v Speaker 2>And what made the marketing instantly notorious was that both

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<v Speaker 2>the website and the ads were built from low quality

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<v Speaker 2>AI generated images that were just riddled with like garbled

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<v Speaker 2>pseudo words instead of catchy tunes car chie tons, instead

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<v Speaker 2>of a paradise of sweet treats that said a pacea

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<v Speaker 2>dice of sweet teats.

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<v Speaker 3>So nobody looked at anything.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and then some of the print cat gased it,

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<v Speaker 2>cat gag caading, Yeah, exercis dre supposed to be, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. So you know, there's a restaurant storefront next

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<v Speaker 2>to my brothers bar. It's a burger joint that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go in there, and they have a sign in

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<v Speaker 2>the window advertising it's a very AI poster, you know

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<v Speaker 2>the look, and someone graffitied over the window your AI slop.

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<v Speaker 2>And this cracked my brother up. And now every time

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<v Speaker 2>I see AI R, that's all I think about. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just the phrase in my head. So anyway, even before

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<v Speaker 2>opening day of the Chalclate experience, a Reddit user who

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<v Speaker 2>saw the Facebook ads flag the event as a likely scam,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were amazed that people were buying tickets in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place, like look at this AI slop. Rolling

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<v Speaker 2>Stone later figured.

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<v Speaker 3>It amilies right, rave community.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty five quid. Oh wow, so you know you got kids.

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<v Speaker 3>It's racks up middle family minimum.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rolling Stone figured that the House of Illuminati's websites

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<v Speaker 2>and event copy they you know, they they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an AI chat wrote the whole thing, and then

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<v Speaker 2>as a result, a town in South Dakota no longer

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<v Speaker 2>has water. Fun fact, so the organizer's background was like

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<v Speaker 2>red Flag City. Cool had previously been involved with a

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<v Speaker 2>charity that was forced in twenty twenty one to remove

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<v Speaker 2>false advertising for a gala that it was throwing because

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<v Speaker 2>they were claiming that this TV personality Gakwan was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be making an appearance. He's this really interesting brit

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<v Speaker 2>who does like fashion consulting, writes books, host TV shows,

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<v Speaker 2>just a general personality. He had absolutely nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the gala, but they were putting his name all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place images and they're like, no, okaypelled correctly, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it spelled correctly at least if the guy also cool.

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<v Speaker 2>He also claimed a doctorate from a fake metaphysical university.

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<v Speaker 3>He also claimed that if you attended the gala, you

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<v Speaker 3>signed away body.

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<v Speaker 2>Parts exactly twenty twenty three. He self published seventeen books,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen all of them AI generated all of them, and

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<v Speaker 2>some of them were like pushing vaccine conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, yeah, great, God. So this guy Max, he

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't read his book.

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<v Speaker 2>No whatever, just whatever's hot in the moment. This guy

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<v Speaker 2>Max Waterfield, he was operations manager maybe still is, of

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<v Speaker 2>box Hub. The venue, he said, House of Illuminati, gave

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<v Speaker 2>these really detailed plans starting in February for this big

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<v Speaker 2>family friendly event. It sounded great on paper, sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the venue rented the space but had no role

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<v Speaker 2>in the production, like he keeps emphasizing, we had nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with that, like whew, And.

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<v Speaker 3>Charlotte has always good at front loading something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. And that brings us to opening day, February

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. So ticket holders they come in,

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<v Speaker 2>they find this sparse scattering of props in a grungy warehousehouse. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there were like a handful of dioramas with parade float

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<v Speaker 2>style lollipops and candy canes like shake front yard Christmas decorations.

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<v Speaker 2>The quote unquote factory was basically a glass chemistry set

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<v Speaker 2>on a table. There was one table. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>single bouncy castle, so you know the noise of that too.

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<v Speaker 2>There were supposed to be rivers of lemonade, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually half filled plastic cups of store bought lemonade

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<v Speaker 2>on a table that was the river of lemonade.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't even a continuous flow. It was just like, look,

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<v Speaker 3>there's one and another cup and another, and I know.

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<v Speaker 2>What you're thinking, like there had to be amazing chocolate,

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<v Speaker 2>though right there was amazing. There was essentially no chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>at the chocolate experience. Kids got a couple of jelly

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<v Speaker 2>beans and a small drink at.

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<v Speaker 3>The apples not packets.

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<v Speaker 2>Individuals warm from the hand. One account noted that organizers

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<v Speaker 2>had to rush out and buy a microwave because this

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<v Speaker 2>small chocolate fountain that they brought didn't actually melt the chocolate.

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<v Speaker 3>So they's had chunks of chocolate sitting and should be

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<v Speaker 3>found clogged up like he just crumbled like Hershey's bars

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<v Speaker 3>just on top of them.

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<v Speaker 2>What would be a chocolate There was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>a forty five minute The whole thing was gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>like a forty five minute to hour long immersive experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they came outside. They're like, it took us

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<v Speaker 2>two minutes to walk through this thing. There's nothing to see,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing to One person described it as quote absolute shambles.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it seems like it's the most not

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<v Speaker 3>only embarrassing but depressing thing. It could come and bring

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<v Speaker 3>their children to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and the actor's experience became a story in itself.

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<v Speaker 3>This Oh my god, there's actors. Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Comedian Paul Connell, he was hired to play the Wonka

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<v Speaker 2>figure Willie McDuff. He said he got this last minute

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<v Speaker 2>script that was just fifteen pages of AI generated gibberish

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<v Speaker 2>that he was supposed to model.

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<v Speaker 3>To memorize and to say at random times.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he looked around he saw no chocolate fountain anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>which I feel like is how Travis Kelsey felt at

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<v Speaker 2>his wedding reception. Where's where's the chocolate? Connle quit conna

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<v Speaker 2>quit mid event along with some of the phony OUPLUMPA performers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, He's like, I'm out of here. So the events,

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<v Speaker 2>like supposed dramatic climax, featured the unknown and this like

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious malevolent force was played by Felicia Dawkins, a sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old schoolgirl. I don't know. She popped out from

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<v Speaker 2>behind a mirror in a silver mask to frighten children

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<v Speaker 2>and then that was it. She's like okay, and so she,

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<v Speaker 2>like Rolling Stone, published a piece called Justice for the Unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>So by mid morning, kids are crying, parents are furious.

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<v Speaker 2>Police Scotland get called and officers showed up after the

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<v Speaker 2>event had been canceled because they just had to call

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<v Speaker 2>it off. Yeah, but they said, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a civil matter. We can't recover your money from that.

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<v Speaker 2>After they stopped laughing, the event manager Waterfield he said, like,

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<v Speaker 2>families start showing up, you know, And there was immediately

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<v Speaker 2>a problem right away. They're irritated. It was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>go all all weekend long.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a big empty warehouse with like five tables

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<v Speaker 3>with some jelly beans on them and cups of lemon.

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<v Speaker 2>It was supposed to go all week long, all weekend long,

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<v Speaker 2>but it got shut down that more than hours of Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then photos from the thing went viral. There's like

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<v Speaker 2>the contrast between this lush Ai promotional art and then

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<v Speaker 2>the barren warehouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>And the most iconic image was the photo of actress

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<v Speaker 2>Kirsty Patterson in a green wig and oompahloomp a costume.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like the Mona Lisa of twenty twenty four. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's take it in. We're gonna put the picture on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram otherwise google it. It's worth it. But here's my

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<v Speaker 2>description of it, my takedown, my dogpile. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>woman being paid allegedly to guard a table that answers

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<v Speaker 2>the question what if a Victorian pharmacy and a middle

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<v Speaker 2>school science fair had a custody battle over some jelly beans. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the fog machine is doing the heaviest lifting

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<v Speaker 2>of anyone on the payroll. It's working double shifts, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to obscure the fact that the factory walls are garbage

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<v Speaker 2>bags stapled.

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<v Speaker 3>To a warehouse garbage bags.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a strip of hazard tape in the corner that

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<v Speaker 2>is a set dressing choice that says immersive and also forklift.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's her face, right, it's not this expression,

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<v Speaker 2>it's her resignation letter. The thousand yard stare of someone

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<v Speaker 2>who is just handed fifteen pages of AI gibberish the

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<v Speaker 2>night before and realize the script the posters probably her

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<v Speaker 2>contract all written by Grock.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like probably one of her first acting gigs professionally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was very excited. I say I have a degree,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's so bummer, and then her white gloves say,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be sanitizing this memory later. So she's like

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<v Speaker 2>looking through everything. The best part is like she's the

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<v Speaker 2>most professional thing in the frame. Like the set, the

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<v Speaker 2>pacide of sweet Teats, you know, it's just diculous. So

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<v Speaker 2>the organizer is like, there are technical issues. This was

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<v Speaker 2>our problem. They're technical issues. Someone plug well and some

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<v Speaker 2>of the attendees compared the set dressing to a meth lab.

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<v Speaker 2>A Facebook group called House of Illuminati Scam gathered around

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<v Speaker 2>like three thousand members within a few days. The event

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<v Speaker 2>was globally dubbed a fire festival for kids.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>A House of Illuminatis posted that it had been let

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<v Speaker 2>down to the last minute in many areas and like,

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<v Speaker 2>in hindsight, they should have canceled that morning. Rather than

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<v Speaker 2>pushing on cool, he did a bunch of personal statements.

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<v Speaker 2>He told STV news that he was so sorry, blamed

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<v Speaker 2>technical issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Technical yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He later posted on Facebook that all eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty tickets would be refunded and with screenshots, offered his proof.

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<v Speaker 2>He then, like March thirteenth, he posts again saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>some of you guys are still waiting for refunds. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of you you know, received them. The actors not paid.

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<v Speaker 2>They were supposed to get five hundred pounds apiece, and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, the House of Illuminati went,

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<v Speaker 2>event websites gone, and he.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, like guest certificates to the next Illuminati event.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then everyone goes after him certificate interviews. He did

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<v Speaker 2>an interview for Channel five documentary Wonka, the scandal that

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<v Speaker 2>rocked Britain. He said he lost friends.

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<v Speaker 3>And his partner and he was a romantic partner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his romantic partner. You've been cast as the face

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<v Speaker 2>of all evil. Had received hundreds of messages, including ones

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<v Speaker 2>telling him to end himself. The documentary itself got bad reviews.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they well made.

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<v Speaker 2>Guardian gave it two stars.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeahmentary documentaries, oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so the strangest legacy is like how kindly

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<v Speaker 2>it treated the performers. So Felicia Dawkins, she gets invited

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<v Speaker 2>to train and make guest appearances at the London Dungeon.

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<v Speaker 3>And then so people in real communities reached out to them.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got heart, like this spokesperson is like she has

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<v Speaker 2>a natural talent for scaring people. Kirsty Patterson. She became

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<v Speaker 2>a minor celebrity in she appeared at the unaffiliated Willie's

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<v Speaker 2>Chocolate Experience, LA cocktail evening that was staged in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles by a bunch of artists. Okay, the props found

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<v Speaker 2>in Afterlife backdrops were rescued from the garbage and auctioned

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<v Speaker 2>on eBay by this Glasgow record shop, Monorail Music, and

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<v Speaker 2>they raised two thousand pounds for Palestinian Aid. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>bright Spot, crappy event. Let's take a break and we

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<v Speaker 2>come back. More festival failures. Zara from Elizabeth, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a question for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I love questions. I don't love answers.

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<v Speaker 2>I love question questions. I hate answers love questions. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you watch Bridgerton?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that a show?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the one with the regency period?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah No, No, me neither. For those unaware like

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<v Speaker 2>I Bridgerton. Netflix period drama series first came out December

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. It's based on Julia Quinn's series of romance

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<v Speaker 2>novels Ah and it's produced by Shondaland a Shonda Rhyme's

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<v Speaker 2>production company. That's one of Netflix's biggest hits ever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it's very enjoyable. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It follows the eight Bridgerton siblings, an aristocratic family in

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<v Speaker 2>regency era London. It's like early eighteen hundreds as each

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<v Speaker 2>of them navigates high society's marriage market or the ton

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<v Speaker 2>in search of life.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard of this stuff. Now. None of this is

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<v Speaker 3>my interests. Like, it's not a world I want to

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<v Speaker 3>hang out in. So nothing against the show. It sounds fantastic,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not for me. It's like Downton Abbey. I'm like, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not for me. But you know what, God

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<v Speaker 2>bless Each season centers on a different siblings romance. We

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<v Speaker 2>got some serious names here. I'm talking Daphne Bridgerton, Colin

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<v Speaker 2>and Penelope Featherington Lady Whistledown kidding, I'm not kidding you.

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<v Speaker 2>So being named Diamond of the season is like the

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<v Speaker 2>Queen's pick for the most promising debutante a.

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<v Speaker 3>Royal watcher invented, you know what I mean? Like the

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<v Speaker 3>people who you know who have like a Princess Diana Plate.

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<v Speaker 2>And who have like strong opinions about Megan Markle. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you want to be named Diamond of the season.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I want that. The Queen's like you're the most promising.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's like the coming out ball, the hottest tailor.

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<v Speaker 2>What made Bridgerton distinctive is like it's this lush, escapist,

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy version of the regency period.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's not sexy, it's more like like charming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And just like there's diverse casting in like aristocratic roles,

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<v Speaker 2>extravagant pastel costumes, ball gowns. They do like string quartet

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<v Speaker 2>covers of modern pop songs like Sophia. There are candlelight

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<v Speaker 2>balls and then yeah there's steamy romance. There's the hubba

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<v Speaker 2>hubbu oh is that apparently sounds fun from what I understand,

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<v Speaker 2>Like consider your bodice ripped son. So that aesthetic like

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<v Speaker 2>the gowns, the stream covers, the candlelight ballroom is exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what drew fans to the Detroit Bridgerton themed ball, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or what I like to call regency dreams dollar store reality.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Detroit Bridgerton themed ball, which is right there

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<v Speaker 2>right no, I mean I love Detroit.

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<v Speaker 3>I love exactly. I'm like, I feel Detroit has become

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<v Speaker 3>like a punchline like Chicago. You hear it, You're like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>It took place on the evening of September twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, at the Harmony Club in downtown Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was organized by Uncle and me LLC. Also

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<v Speaker 2>Uncle me LLC is another.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like a company that puts up signs in the

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<v Speaker 3>hood we buy homes could be And later.

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<v Speaker 2>They later renamed themselves u M Event Management LLC. And

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<v Speaker 2>the company is co owned by a woman, Chelsea Beard.

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<v Speaker 2>So while the event, yeah, exactly and unk is not revealed.

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<v Speaker 2>While the event like traded on this you know, popularity

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<v Speaker 2>of Bridgerton, it was not a Netflix sponsored event, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's a distinction that's very important because Netflix does its

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<v Speaker 2>own touring Queen's Ball, a Bridgerton experience apparently, yeah get

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<v Speaker 2>I know. So the marketing promised like the full fantasy, sophistication, grace,

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<v Speaker 2>like historical charm. They're saying, dancing, live entertainment, exquisite refreshments,

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<v Speaker 2>enchanting surprises. Can I bring a lap museum quality treats, museum. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who said that. I have a friend

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<v Speaker 2>who describes things that are that. She really likes this

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<v Speaker 2>museum quality and phrase. So they said live music from

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<v Speaker 2>a full orchestra, dance lessons, photo opportunities, a fashion show,

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<v Speaker 2>a two thousand dollars cash prize for the best dress guest,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're going to be called Diamond of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>like a show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a big staff to pull this off.

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<v Speaker 2>Tickets started at one hundred and fifty bucks and went

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<v Speaker 2>up to one thousand. What Yeah, and there's like the

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<v Speaker 2>top tier Duke and Duchess package, like they said there

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<v Speaker 2>would be valet service, dinner, music, all. All of this

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<v Speaker 2>is on their sparse two page website. So fans invested

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<v Speaker 2>heavily beyond the tickets. Right, there's one attendee, Tamisha Bland.

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 2>She spent five hundred dollars on tickets, plus another two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty on this glittery blue strapless gown. Others

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<v Speaker 2>were like, yeah, I spent three to four hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>on tickets. Then the gowns, hair suits, it's like grown pops. Yeah, everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and then if.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to step into your fantasy you want to

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<v Speaker 3>show up with the right footwell.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly. There were warning signs, so like uncle and

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>me had run earlier Bridgerton themed events, warned there was

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<v Speaker 2>one at the Tailor Conservatory and Botanical Gardens that left,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, most people disappointed. And they threw a June

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<v Speaker 2>tea party where guests reported there was no tea at

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<v Speaker 2>all and that the mimosas and glassware ran out.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they're going to keep trying, just keep trying.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep on keeping on it. Yeah, so things were like

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<v Speaker 2>unraveling at the front door. No one was working the

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<v Speaker 2>front door. People came, No one's checking it. They're just

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>strolling in. Yeah yeah, so okay, so Zarin close eye,

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<v Speaker 2>I want should have pictured. You are a huge Bridgerton fan,

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<v Speaker 2>like huge, You've read the books, You've seen every episode

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 2>multiple times. You are a regular on the Bridgerton sub rendit.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been to Queen's Ball, a Bridgerton experience. It was

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<v Speaker 2>magical and you loved it. When you heard about the

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Detroit Bridgerton Theme Ball, you were excited. Your grandma stitched

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>up an incredible gown for you to wear to the

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Queen's Ball. You felt like a princess. So you got

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>your cousin to rent a tucks and go with you,

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and you've convinced him to do it once again. The

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.920
<v Speaker 2>world is rough right now, and you love escapism. You

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>need escapism. You and your cousin drove an hour and

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 2>a half to get to the Harmony Club, and it

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 2>does not disappoint. It's across the street from the opera house,

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>which seems fitting, and the building itself is stunning buff

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 2>brick and stone, with curved corners and arched windows. It

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<v Speaker 2>feels exactly like something from the TV show. Your cousin

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 2>drops you off in front of the men to wait

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 2>while he goes to park the car. Other guests of

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>the ball arrive in all their finery. You greet each

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>other with nods and occasional squeals of excitement. A city

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 2>bus stops in traffic in front of the building and

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the driver opens up their door. She calls out to

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>you that everyone looks so beautiful. You thank her. She

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 2>asks if this is a kintanera. The light changes and

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>she drives off before you can answer. You brush a

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>tendril of hair from the side of your face and

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>then straighten your opera lengths satin gloves. You scan the

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>sidewalk for your cousin. Soon enough, he comes jogging up,

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>apologizing for taking so long. You tell him not to

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 2>be sorry. You're just thankfully he's with you, and it

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>is so polite as to not make you hobble for

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>blocks in these heels. The two of you enter the

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Harmony Club, ready for the night of your lives. You

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>pull your tickets from your satin clutch, but there's no

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 2>one there to take them. You look around, perplexed. Other

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>guests arriving are just as confused. You shrug at each

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>other and make your way into the entryway. It's a

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>little sparse. If you're honest, expected luxurious delights, This looks

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 2>more like someone ran to a Dollar General to get

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>some quick decorations for a shotgun wedding. In the atrium,

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<v Speaker 2>folks dressed in their regency air of finess, chat and laugh,

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a frison of excitement shimmering in the air. A lone

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>violinist stands in the corner, playing a version of what

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>you think might be Seline Dion's It's All Coming Back

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 2>to Me, Or maybe it's another song you can't quite tell.

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 2>They're supposed to be an.

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<v Speaker 3>Orchestra in the ballroom.

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 2>You stream to listen, but you can't hear them yet.

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 2>They're probably warming up, just calming their nerves before they

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>perform at such an important event. At least that's what

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 2>you'd be doing at last. The doors to the ballroom open.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight foot round tables with chairs ring the room. What

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>appeared to be plastic plates and plastic utensils sit on

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the sparkling gold tablecloths. Bottles of water dot the tables.

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 2>You and your cousin find a seat. You're handed plates

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>of food from a frazzled server. You poke at the chicken,

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>which does not seem fully cooked. Your cousin's snow the

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 2>beans on his plate and declares they smell like fish.

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>You both push your plates away. Others at the table

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 2>do the same. On the other side of the room,

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>guests take turns posing for photos in two velvet thrones,

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>a piece of crushed velvet on the floor in front

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>of them, hoping to look like a plush rug and failure.

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 2>There is no orchestra, and you aren't sure how they'll

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>fit in here. When they arrive, there's a pole in

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the area where they would be set up.

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>If you didn't know any better, you'd think it was

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 2>a stripper pole, but that would be ridiculous. A small

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 2>sign with the words Tink the Ferry, stenciled in pink

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>sparkles on it sits beside the pole's platform. You hear

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the songs from the Bridgerton's soundtrack began to

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>play on the sound system. People in the crowd begin

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>to clap and cheer. Something wonderful must be about to happen.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Then a woman in a skimpy red bikini struts onto

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 2>the floor and stands beside the pole. She looks at

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>the crowd a little perplexed. The sharp strings of the

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Bridgerton song echo through the sparsely decorated room. Then she

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>grabs onto the pole and begins spin around it. She

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>then hoists herself up, flipping upside down and spinning around

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>the pole, supported only by her legs. She is indeed

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 2>a pole. Answer, this is just getting weirder and weirder.

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>You look around at everyone in their regency finery, politely

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>clapping and smiling, and this dancer in her bikini and

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>long tight braid running down her back. This is not

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the ball You imagined it would be Oh my god, sar.

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>They hired a pole answer for the bridges.

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 3>To ball teens to step into family.

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<v Speaker 2>She's she's one of the Knight's only sympathetic professionals. She's

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<v Speaker 2>a woman from Oakland, California, who calls herself Tank the Fairy,

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>And she said she was hired three hours before the

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>event began, and she gave the organizers more thematically appropriate

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 2>options because like she does like aerial sling work and

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like a hoop and hair suspension she'll hang from her hair,

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>so like these kind of like a circus, yes, where

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>you could see and and also she had all these

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>different outfits. No, they chose the pole dancing and selected

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>her outfit. They asked for the red bikini.

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<v Speaker 3>Unk and me, I'm with your imagined bus driver. I

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 3>was so rooting for these people to go in. I

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 3>don't even know Bridgerton, but I know what they're looking for.

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 3>I at least I have fun, yeah, And I want

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 3>them to be able to have these moments of whimsy

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 3>and fantasy and fun and like to get away and

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 3>like to take their cousin or whatever, and like no,

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 3>and you're taking that for granted.

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so take right. They paid her eight hundred

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>dollars for three sets that included two songs from the

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Bridgerton soundtrack and for the finale, Maroon Five's moves like Jagger.

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding?

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not kidding you. They asked her to do

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>character work between performances, and I'm not really sure what

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 2>that means.

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think she knew, she said. The organizers seemed

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>super professional on the phone. She felt really bad for

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the Yeah, she really didn't know what she was going

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 2>in to perform. Yeah, she said in interviews and in

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 2>a Reddit Ask Me anything, that her goal as a

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>performer is to just bring people happiness.

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Of course, so that's what most entertainers.

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>None of the people the ball blamed her. They were

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>just glad that she at least got paid. But no

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 2>one could figure out why she was hired in the first.

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Place, nor could she. I'm just assuming it or anybody else.

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Noone even trade for an orchestra.

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 3>No or even like thematically anywhere near what you'd think,

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 3>like if you're going through like a list of like

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<v Speaker 3>who can I quickly call and get them to come?

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<v Speaker 3>Not going to come up with that I probably come

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 3>up with like a Vegas magician before I come up

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<v Speaker 3>with that exotic dancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly right. So within a day, the ball was a

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>national story. One attendee, Rachel Eaton, she spent three hundred

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>bucks and she shared photos of like guests and gowns

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>slumped in chairs, scrolling on their phones out of boredom.

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Her posts went like hugely viral on Twitter. People love

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>a debacle, good Morning America. Not there, I know exactly,

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood reporter or Salon, BuzzFeed, all these others suspects. They

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>reported on it and then compared it to Fire Festival

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and Willie's chocolate experience in Glasgow.

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure t was all about it.

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>So then attendees organized quickly this Facebook group called Bridgeton

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Ball Scam Detroit. They formed to coordinate a possible class

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 2>action lawsuit. Good luck right. Several members said that they

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 2>had filed fraud reports with the Detroit Police previous events. Yeah.

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 2>One attendee said she filed a fraud report and disputed

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the charge with American Express.

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:36.720
<v Speaker 3>Good for the tickets?

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Uncle and Me Productions released a statement to WXYZTV.

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, I've quoted them. A few times, Detroit's.

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<v Speaker 2>Own apologizing that not everyone had the experience they hoped for,

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and they said the intention had been a magical evening.

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>They accepted full responsibility for what they called organizational shortcomings,

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>and they promised to review resolution options. And then Chelsea Beard,

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the co owner, she basically reposted the same thing on

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Instagram and then added that the problems stemmed from a

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 2>last minute venue and date change and non refundable deposits

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 2>from the original bookings that caused losses for the company.

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Harmony Club is like, we have nothing. They're just like

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>box Hub in Glasgow. They're like, I have nothing to

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>do with this. We're not affiliated. We just rent the

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>space company's website. Yeah, they're vanished from the interwebs. So

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>we have another failed festival in the books. Let's pause

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 2>for some ads, and when we return, I have one

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<v Speaker 2>more flop fiesta for you, Aaron. I want you to

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 2>prepare yourself for the fire Festival of book Talk. Oh,

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the A Million Lives book Festival.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got family who are into book talk. I've gone

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 3>to events like y'all West, These are like real big

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 3>in the book talk.

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, book Talk is basically for people the uninitiated.

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>It's people talking about books on TikTok.

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Yah yah and really heavy in the ya.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, young adult, young adult. Yeah, they have their own

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 2>ecosystem and trends and gossip and hierarchy.

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.439
<v Speaker 3>You want to get arcs, those are the advanced reader copies. Yeah,

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm all about this life.

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<v Speaker 2>So the A Million Lives Book Festival was scheduled for

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<v Speaker 2>May second and third, twenty twenty five, at the Baltimore

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Convention Center in Baltimore, Maryland. It was organized through the

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>company Archer Management, by an event planner and romance author

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 2>who operated publicly under the pen name Grace Willows and

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.919
<v Speaker 2>then she had other kind of like pseudonyms, but that's

0:36:58.000 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>how everyone knew her.

0:36:58.840 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Vent was aimed at the romanticy community. So these are

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:08.359
<v Speaker 2>readers of romantic fantasy fiction who hang out on book talk.

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 2>The marketing was super ambitious. There were promotional materials that

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:17.720
<v Speaker 2>promised a vendor hall with authors from like fantasy romance, mystery,

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 2>dark romance, just like here whatever, yeah, other kins.

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 3>That's like the fantasy creatures. Okay, you know, so you

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 3>get them in their romances too. Oh so like unicorns, Yeah, centaurs, unicorns.

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 2>That kind of okay, I'm learning.

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's like, you know, like half human, half

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 3>horse that kind of stuff, not like a unicorner got it,

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 3>got it.

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.760
<v Speaker 2>So they're kind of like free, adjacent.

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Very. I didn't want to scare you.

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not for me, and that's okay. Yeah, that's OKAYI

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the interns or my therapist, it's not for me, and

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:59.320
<v Speaker 2>that's okay. God bless see. That's my mantra. Now, there

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be panels, like a content creation room,

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 2>so I'm imagining like you know, to make your own

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>tiktoks and like a back a community building atmosphere for

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 2>bookworms and book dragons is what they said, bookworms and

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 2>book dragons alike. The published schedule sounds like it was

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>written as part of a State Department project to develop

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 2>more insidious torture techniques aimed at me and me alone.

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 2>That's just my observation. But you know what, it's not

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:39.720
<v Speaker 2>for me, and that's okay. Specific to torture me, thanks

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot State Department. There was registration, which is fine

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 2>and necessary, and then okay, and then it had like

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the vendor hall hours that's to be expected. And then

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:55.879
<v Speaker 2>they promised a cause play competition taking a deep breath. Done, well,

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>we're ramping it up, like the the entire is turning

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>up the big whatever. This is for me, Elizabeth. Some

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>things are not for you, and that's a There was

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be a scheduled performance by the Bookish Song Collective.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 3>Is that a real thing?

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Be strong? Then you can do this, yeah, the Bookish

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Song Collective. You don't have to go to this and

0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>not everything is for you. Let folks have their safe spaces. Okay,

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm back.

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 3>The whole time.

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was set to culminate in a quote

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 2>lavender romance ball that was going to run from seven

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 2>to eleven pm.

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh, like an actual ball, like dancing, Yeah, much like

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 3>the Bridgerton Sure so.

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Ticket teers range from like forty dollars to two hundred

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and fifty dollars and the ball was like a formal,

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:51.439
<v Speaker 2>decorated fantasy gala. I'm sure that what is the other kid?

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:51.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 2>The oh yeah, and so unlike this is really.

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.320
<v Speaker 3>What you want for the like if you're one of

0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:58.800
<v Speaker 3>these crowd, it's like to be able to go and

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 3>like step into your fan I have to say you

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 3>get all dolled up. I mean you've been to like

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 3>con events where people get dressed up, but I know

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 3>what they are, Okay, they go like all out. I

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 3>mean like some people have stuff like sword costs thousands

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 3>of dollars. You know, it's like incredible. I really like

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 3>it will defend all of these people, because I want

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 3>people to be able to not like live in your

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 3>imagination and some kind of like detrimental like I'm hiding

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 3>from the world now, but if you're able to find

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 3>a communities and can do the escapism and then you

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 3>can spend the time to really doll yourself up in

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 3>some costume. I love that. I'm like dude, and I

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 3>love and to cheat people like that as a charlatan.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>And I love when things make people so happy. So

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 2>as much as I bag on like furries, the ones

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I still can't stand, the ones who trash hotels and

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>all that, that's different, but the ones where it just

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>makes it if it gives them you so much joy to.

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Pin a tail on you some ears, Yeah, exactly, go

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.360
<v Speaker 3>out get a whole first suit, no nuts, you know.

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, So who am I? Who am I to say?

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Unlike the glassy Willy Wonka fellow. The organizer here had

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>some credibility going in. She had this other yeah, a

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>night in Tarysen Okay, okay in twenty twenty four, like

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 2>that got a lot of positive reviews. So this was like, oh,

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>this will be smooth sailing. So she recruits these authors, narrators,

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>vendors personally, largely by word of mouth. Roughly one hundred

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and fifty authors were listed as attending and independent authors

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>paid to participate. So one author, Percy J. Paid one

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty dollars for a table in February of

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, and then another two hundred and fifty

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>dollars for top tier sponsorship, advertised to include a free

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 2>stay at the Hilton adjacent to the venue, social media promotion, merch,

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>other perks, and when you think about potential direct sales

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 2>and promotion and like profile lift, that's not a bad deal.

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 5>I get a table in front of like you're ready fans,

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 5>I mean the ideal. It's directed creator exactly. So like

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 5>cracks appeared before anyone even arrived at Baltimom. About two

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.280
<v Speaker 5>weeks out, the organizer emailed authors saying that the Hilton

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 5>representative wasn't responding, and that the group would instead be

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 5>lodged across the street.

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.240
<v Speaker 2>At a day's in. Like that's a big down grade,

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and the rooms weren't camped, not.

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Quite the red roof, but it did not go Yeah,

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 3>the days are better than a red roof.

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>But still and like they thought they were getting comped rooms,

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:23.840
<v Speaker 2>they got to pay to stay at a day's in.

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Come on.

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, the organizer continued projecting like healthy sales, she said,

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 2>ticket sales, Like in January twenty twenty five, she's like, oh,

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 2>we're in the high four hundreds for tickets, and then April, oh,

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>we're like in the low six hundreds. And like a

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 2>bunch of attendees said they were told five hundred and

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 2>six hundred tickets had been sold. One vendor said correspondence

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 2>cited an expectation of twelve hundred attendees and that was

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:51.240
<v Speaker 2>the only reason they paid for a table. Of course,

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 2>May second Friday, it started badly and it never recovered.

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 2>So authors and vendors showed up at seven am for

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 2>a load in and found no exterior signage. There was

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a single sign inside the building to say where it

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 2>was what it was no event staff or volunteers. There

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 2>as a seven am load.

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 3>In like a day's in like multipurpose room.

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>No, this is at the convention center. So it's like

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 2>a portion of it. Yeah, but you know it's like that,

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.239
<v Speaker 2>it's not taking up the entire thing. So there's you know,

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe other stuff.

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 3>I pushed out of the convention center.

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>No, and so the people who were there, like they

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>had to go find people who worked at the convention

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:38.840
<v Speaker 2>center to like show us where the rooms are, yeah, exactly,

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And then they found there had been like last minute

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 2>floor plan changes that were given to them on a

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 2>hand drawn map.

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 2>So the original booth layout had to be rearranged on

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 2>the spot to satisfy fire code. The whole thing is

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 2>just a mess. The exhibit hall was cavernous and like

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:59.280
<v Speaker 2>pretty much empty of decorations and people. So the decor

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 2>was basically like scattered pink flower pedals on tables about it.

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 2>One attending author, Stephanie Combs described quote a ginormous dungeon

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of a room and like maybe fifty people in there.

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>She brought eight boxes of books to sell and left

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 2>with six still full panels. Not doing much better. There

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>was no sound or audio visual equipment, no announcements. Some

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>rooms didn't even have tables or chairs. One panel of

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.280
<v Speaker 2>audiobook narrators was held with panelists in the audience sitting

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 2>on the floor of a vacant room, just one they

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 2>had to find. There was a BIPOK panel and writing

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>talking about writing diversity. They were scheduled on the VIP

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 2>only day and that really limited the audience. Author Carmen

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Ciantel moderated one of the sessions. She posted photos of

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>people just sitting on the floor or there were no

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 2>printed or digital schedules, unmarked.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Rooms, sure, no signage, nobody there to help anybody or

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:08.359
<v Speaker 3>where you are.

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Some people were just wandering by accident into unrelated events

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 2>that were also at the convention center, including a cannabis festival.

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, you got just like dudes and women and

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 3>like beanies coming in, like can I vapor in here?

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And then you have all these like really sincere,

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:29.360
<v Speaker 2>precious people. People you want to talk about, dragons getting

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.880
<v Speaker 2>it on with each other and they're just yeah. The

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 2>lavender ball on Saturday was like the defining image, very

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 2>sparsely decorated space, bright overhead lights, and it looked more

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 2>like a warehouse. It was very Glasgow, no DJ setup,

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 2>just a tiny crowd. So there's a boom box in

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a corner. Yeah, they're saying that for both days it

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 2>was probably one hundred people.

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:55.879
<v Speaker 3>This is worse than a bunch of what a high

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 3>schoolers could put on it.

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Think you know what I mean? This is like yes,

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>So by such, the festival was like a full blown

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 2>social media phenomenon. So like the authors, Okay, here's where

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:13.120
<v Speaker 2>you messed up. Right, here are all these book talk folks.

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:18.320
<v Speaker 2>So they got it prepared to post tiktoks.

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 3>To make the old.

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 2>Tictac old people.

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 3>They're going to be where they're gonna be.

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they're posting real time videos that are going viral. Yeah,

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 2>that author Percy j got over five million views, and

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 2>everyone starts calling it the fire Festival of book Talk.

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 3>And then her you know, the watergate of these things.

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it totally is so. And then again with Percy Jay.

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, she was pregnant with twins and she had

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 2>flown from Texas, spent more than two thousand dollars on flights, fees, food,

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 2>and she's just like, I was completely misled. All these

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>others they had shipped stuff to Baltimore. They're thousands of

0:46:57.880 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 2>dollars in debt because of that, and they want re

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.240
<v Speaker 2>fun because usually these events.

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 3>I've been like I said, I've been to a bunch.

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 3>They're really well run.

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've been to a ton of festivals to

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.479
<v Speaker 2>just general ones like La Times Festival of Books.

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that one's run back toory by like librarians and insider.

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 3>I've been wonder if it's just like volunteers who are

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.320
<v Speaker 3>part of the community. They that goes to it and

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:20.920
<v Speaker 3>you cannot overlook any.

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Part of it exactly. So the organizer responded with a

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 2>video apology because that's all we do now is make

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 2>videos to the Archer Fantasy Events TikTok account.

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I like when people did like the notes app apologies,

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 3>those are.

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 2>The point better times. So she was like, yeah, you

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 2>know what, it was not set up to standards. There

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of problems with the setup. She offered

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>immediate refunds to anyone who reached out, and then they

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 2>said that you know, all payments are going to be

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:51.919
<v Speaker 2>processed by May thirty.

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 3>First.

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they did took full responsibility.

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 3>That's good.

0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and said, we're canceling all future of that fund.

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 3>By the way, these days for people to say I

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 3>take more responsibility, I heartily apologize I messed up.

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 4>I do.

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I do think that everyone was probably refunded just because

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.879
<v Speaker 2>she went so hard on like clearing the decks, making

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 2>sure this wasn't going to happen again. She maintained that

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 2>she made no money on the event, and she personally

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 2>put thousands of dollars into it, and so she said,

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:28.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, the offered compensation didn't cover everything like that

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:31.720
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty dollars marketing sponsor. So people couldn't

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>get one hundred percent hole on this.

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:33.879
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, was it actually like you know, I think

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 2>it's just maybe it was just too big, like had

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>be able to pull.

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 3>It went from like we had one successful one too,

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:45.279
<v Speaker 3>what if we did the biggest event of the year.

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, and then it's also it's just like once one

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 2>thing fails, then it's like it triggers a bunch of

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 2>other stuff. Yeah, the convention center is like not our problem,

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 2>of course. And then because there were also claims that

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the venue had lost swag backs and like food and

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff and They're like, no, we got no reports of

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>missing boxes. You know this you do with us, We're

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 2>the Baltimore Convention Center.

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 3>We opened the door.

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So like two threads kind of stood out in

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the aftermath, Virtually everyone agreed that the authors and the

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 2>vendors themselves were the one bright spot. And then Gus

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>said that, like the exhibit hall was welcoming and engaging

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 2>because of the creators, not the organizers, that they overcame

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:34.760
<v Speaker 2>this situation. Book talk rallied around the affected indie authors.

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Fundraising pages were created to help them become whole from

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.359
<v Speaker 2>the debt for flights, hotels. Yeah, and then a lot

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 2>of them reported spikes and book sales driven by this

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<v Speaker 2>like viral sympathy. So there's that. And then second, the

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:53.759
<v Speaker 2>disaster spawned a constructive sequel. Maryland vendors Amber and Matt

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Hodgson of Bookish Signs and more. They lost money at

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. They announced that they were organizing their own

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:04.480
<v Speaker 2>festiv Romanticy in the Valley July twenty fifth, twenty twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is explicitly designed to prevent a repeat and

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<v Speaker 2>to support the authors and vendors burned by a million.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's coming up. Yeah, should I get us tickets?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you go right ahead, and you tell me all

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Be strong done.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a bright spot in all of this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>galvanized the community. Zaren. What's your takeaway? What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>And every one of these I was fighting because you know,

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 3>I can have like an anger or a temper, and

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:34.759
<v Speaker 3>I was getting so mad for these, like because these

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.399
<v Speaker 3>people they just want to like almost every single time,

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:39.800
<v Speaker 3>they're like, they're these little communities. They just want to

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 3>get together and do their thing, and they're not usually

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 3>a cater to and attended to by mainstream cultures. So

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.160
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, we'd like to go and do our

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:50.080
<v Speaker 3>bridget infester, Like are our book romanticy thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 3>And then they had they could take an advantage of.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just over here seething like a big brother

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.800
<v Speaker 3>and somebody picked on my little sibling, and I'm like,

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.799
<v Speaker 3>what's their ad? We're going over the house. I'm going

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 3>to take whatever I can from the living room. I mean, like,

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting furious. So I guess I'm a silly creature

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:10.840
<v Speaker 3>because as like a like a big brother, this is

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.960
<v Speaker 3>just how my head works. But like, I really hope

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:15.799
<v Speaker 3>that these folks, and I'm so glad by the way

0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 3>you told me about how they were able to get

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:19.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, get whole and then they were able to

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 3>like support these authors and now they got a new festival.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do like the resiliency of these kids and

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 3>these young authors and these creators. I mean, so I'm like,

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 3>I got all your back. Kids say yeah, this is amazing, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I am terribly jaded, and I am

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 2>envious of these people because they're not jaded. The people

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 2>who find such joy in these you know, like these

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:46.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of events and community in the community. You know,

0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 2>they're not they don't very trusting each other exactly, and

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:51.880
<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a really sweet sincerity to it. And

0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.800
<v Speaker 2>so I was thinking when I was putting this all together,

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 2>my mom sent me this video of a British train

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.359
<v Speaker 2>spotting kid who came over to the US to see

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:05.879
<v Speaker 2>Big Boy, so like huge, like the biggest engine as

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it's made for the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.879
<v Speaker 2>the independence for the United States. It's making its way

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 2>across the US, and he took a video of like

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 2>when he's seeing it.

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:19.000
<v Speaker 3>He flew over here to see it, to see it

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 3>on tricks and she was.

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I Her only comment when she forwarded to me

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 2>is like, I wish this kind of joy on every person.

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's what like, this kid was so happy and

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 2>so excited and it meant so much to him, and

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:36.399
<v Speaker 2>it's like, that's what you want. And these people were

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 2>seeking out those moments of joy to be fully immersed,

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 2>to become something totally different and of their own making.

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 3>I also saw some of a friend of mine posted

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 3>about that exact thing on Instagram and they said, this

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:52.439
<v Speaker 3>must have been so world changing for this kid because

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.320
<v Speaker 3>I've never ever seen him cuss before.

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Exactly when you put when you take someone that far

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 2>outside of themselves, see, I'm all these people they wanted

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to dress up and have a fantasy and escape, and

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 2>this world is so worth escaping these days. So it's like,

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>if you can find that and like you're saying, having

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.759
<v Speaker 2>a community and have these people take advantage of it,

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.439
<v Speaker 2>or just through incompetence, it falls upon.

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:18.359
<v Speaker 3>Either one as Charlotteans or as incompetence who don't take

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 3>for like, take for granted what it will mean for

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 3>how many people and what it takes to do and

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:24.800
<v Speaker 3>pull off something right exactly.

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad that we had a couple of bright spots.

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:29.279
<v Speaker 3>In that totally. I'm glad the community are so and

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:29.760
<v Speaker 3>I hope.

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Everyone has like something that gives them that kind of joy.

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:34.560
<v Speaker 2>We all need to have like one or two things

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 2>at the minimum that just you can fully immerse yourself

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 2>in and it gives you complete joy. So that said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would like to talk back day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh my god, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Want hey's Aaron and Elizabeth. I just finished your episode

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 6>on pigeon racing and theft. I actually work for my

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 6>local humane society, and you'd be surprised how many of

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 6>these pigeons are champions. In fact, they're exhausted. I know

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:16.880
<v Speaker 6>this because the residents bring us these pigeons after they

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:19.760
<v Speaker 6>find them in the shade or they wander into the garage.

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<v Speaker 2>Just simply not wanting to finish the race.

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<v Speaker 6>Then we have to call their owner. I personally think

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:25.840
<v Speaker 6>that is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that first of all, you do the lord's

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.759
<v Speaker 2>work and thank you for that, like you're amazing is this?

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:38.120
<v Speaker 3>But Beatrice, I found your pigeons.

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Don't have agency in this, like you know you got

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>to society for thank you, thank you for rescuing the

0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 2>pigeons in the shade. Well at least they also, I

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.239
<v Speaker 2>guess they do have the agency to be like I'm

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:47.640
<v Speaker 2>not going to.

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<v Speaker 3>I ain't no more flat flat for this.

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