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Speaker 3: Texas and the studio. Welcome in, everybody. We've got Josh Roderiguez,
Speaker 3: Isaiah Standback, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 3: Glad you're with us. No Patrick, no c Walker, come
Speaker 3: on day. Unfortunately, our man is dealing with some rehab.
Speaker 3: I know he's sitting in bed. I wish he was here.
Speaker 3: He is on IR at the moment, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: he is. I r for sure, wishing nothing but the
Speaker 3: best for Patrick who injured his his leg last week.
Speaker 4: And man a big bro. Yeah, explosive he was.
Speaker 3: He was rounding third, about to score the winning run
Speaker 3: after hitting a inside the park homer, his speed blazing
Speaker 3: around the base pass in a tie game. Really it was.
Speaker 3: It was one of those that like inside the park, homers,
Speaker 3: I hit the very bottom half of the fence, you know,
Speaker 3: like it just barely stayed in the yard. He hit
Speaker 3: it good, though, so he had to use his speed
Speaker 3: to get around the bases and just ruptured his tele
Speaker 3: a tendon. There he goes, but.
Speaker 5: Shouts to him in quick recovery, of course, Patrick Nussey Walker.
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope I did his story any justice.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's actually how it happened, but
Speaker 3: I just wanted to give him something cool.
Speaker 6: I believe, believe.
Speaker 3: Maybe he was like in an Indy car and he
Speaker 3: got in a wreck. The driver beside him made a mistake,
Speaker 3: because he didn't make the mistake. There's no no way
Speaker 3: driver Posidon made a mistake to sent him into the wall,
Speaker 3: you know, things like that.
Speaker 5: But but shows to him because uh, that's gonna be
Speaker 5: a long recovery process, obviously.
Speaker 6: But I know we'll be seeing him here pretty soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I just I just text him. He said surgery, soone
Speaker 7: I'll be back in a building after that.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, I'm honestly shocked. You wouldn't
Speaker 3: be here. But if it's the surgery element, that's what
Speaker 3: you gotta wait for. So I love you, Pat appreciate you.
Speaker 3: I know he's watching. I know he's probably in the
Speaker 3: chat as well.
Speaker 5: So he texted us that, I think on on Thursday
Speaker 5: and he was like, all right, guys, I won't be
Speaker 5: in tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Like that's fair, Like thanks for letting me know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the picture.
Speaker 3: Did enough, now, that's fair. But if I ruptured my
Speaker 3: potel attendant that you wouldn't see me for a year.
Speaker 3: I feel like on the sideline, see you guys. Oh man,
Speaker 3: how's everybody doing? You'll did all right?
Speaker 6: Swell man?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, anybody get to check out the race.
Speaker 6: I did not go to the race, but but I
Speaker 6: can tell maybe that you might.
Speaker 3: Have checked it out. Did I make it out?
Speaker 6: Did you make it out?
Speaker 3: Get out there.
Speaker 5: What's funny is Kyle was giving a tour to the
Speaker 5: the IndyCar broadcasters. Together they were on the Grand Prix
Speaker 5: Grand Prix of Arlington broadcast and then also the driver
Speaker 5: who ended up winning the entire Grand Prix of Arlington.
Speaker 6: He was in our offices.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in this studio.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like less than a week ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was last It was either Wednesday
Speaker 3: or I think it was Thursday morning. Thursday morning, right
Speaker 3: before we did the draft show. I had Will Buxton,
Speaker 3: Townsend Bell and Kyle Kirkwood and we went on a
Speaker 3: tour of the Star, took him around, they took pictures
Speaker 3: of the Super Bowl trophies, and they went to the
Speaker 3: different elements of the Star. Took them to breakfast up
Speaker 3: at the up at the club, and then had one
Speaker 3: of the equipment managers actually gave them cowboys hats and
Speaker 3: I told Kyle, I was like, if you win, it's
Speaker 3: because of the hat, and he was like, no doubt
Speaker 3: about it, completely agree, and sure enough he ended up
Speaker 3: winning that weekend. And it was really it was really
Speaker 3: a great event. Shout outs to the entire Arlington community.
Speaker 3: They showed out, sold out grand stands. Do you watch
Speaker 3: any of it, dude?
Speaker 5: Was the setup for them to turn at and T
Speaker 5: Stadium in the ballpark into you know speedway basically.
Speaker 3: The word that was used by drivers, not just fans
Speaker 3: and everybody. It was the perfect street course. They said
Speaker 3: it's the new standard for IndyCar. Really, so they thought
Speaker 3: it was the most well put together first time event
Speaker 3: they've ever experienced. A lot of the drivers said it's
Speaker 3: their favorite street course they've ever raced on, no matter
Speaker 3: what the series, so like, they really did an incredible job.
Speaker 3: It was an awesome environment. The race itself was kind
Speaker 3: of interesting because it ended up being less chaotic than
Speaker 3: I think I anticipated, because when I took the track
Speaker 3: tour on Wednesday, I was like, these are it's thin.
Speaker 3: It was very narrow straightaways and things like that. I
Speaker 3: thought there were going to be a lot of res
Speaker 3: a lot of like passing zones, and there was a
Speaker 3: lot of passing, not a lot of recks. There was
Speaker 3: one on a restart right at the end of the race,
Speaker 3: and that was really about it. So really cool, really
Speaker 3: cool stuff. Can't wait to see what happens next year.
Speaker 3: Everybody's kind of asking the question because there's no contract
Speaker 3: pass this year, but the apparently there was a report
Speaker 3: yesterday that there were some talks happening between like the
Speaker 3: next five years or so if it if it looked
Speaker 3: like that in year one, I can't wait to see
Speaker 3: what it does down the stretch because it was really
Speaker 3: really cool. Us from the God You Stop It, I
Speaker 3: know that reference too well. Talladegg and nights Baby. All right,
Speaker 3: let's get into some Cowboys offseason as the free agency
Speaker 3: period continues to ramp up. We are going to take
Speaker 3: your calls today. Oh yeah, Talks Nation, Talk to Cowboys
Speaker 3: Nation eight eight eight eight five five two. Hey, it
Speaker 3: is a talking to It is talking. I should open
Speaker 3: the show that way. It's a talking Tuesday edition eight
Speaker 3: eight eight. We start the show eight five five talk
Speaker 3: Cowboys get uh plenty to talk about since then as well,
Speaker 3: But really I want to break down each of the moves.
Speaker 3: We'll do that in the third segment, but kind of
Speaker 3: your general thought, Josh, as we go into some news
Speaker 3: and notes based on the how the Cowboys have done
Speaker 3: since last week in terms of their free agent additions.
Speaker 5: Well, to be clear, since last week, the Cowboys obviously
Speaker 5: made some moves. We talked last week about Rashaun Gary,
Speaker 5: we talked about Jalen Thompson. But if you look at
Speaker 5: the free agency tracker on Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: A little bit, if we didn't get muted there, sorry, we.
Speaker 6: Added a few more PJ Lock.
Speaker 5: Sam Howell was an interesting name to see on their
Speaker 5: Matt Hennessy, Kobe Durant, Princeton Fan is back.
Speaker 6: You also have who else's back.
Speaker 5: Sam Williams is returning, So I mean definitely moves that
Speaker 5: have been made. I wouldn't say splash moves by any stretch.
Speaker 5: And that was one of the criticisms that we had
Speaker 5: last week before we left the airways, is that the
Speaker 5: splash play isn't quite there yet. And I think I
Speaker 5: would say serviceable. I would say comparatively to the last
Speaker 5: few years of free agency that the Cowboys have had,
Speaker 5: this is definitely more. I wouldn't call this bust thing
Speaker 5: the budget in any form or phrase or thought.
Speaker 6: I don't think they're done yet.
Speaker 5: It was just the first wave, like Kyle alluded to,
Speaker 5: but there's still plenty to go. Linebacker obviously has not
Speaker 5: been addressed at all, and there are quite a few
Speaker 5: linebackers that I think are still out there, still capable
Speaker 5: of starting on this defense obviously, but I think that
Speaker 5: could be reputable contributors to your team, Bobby Wagner, including one.
Speaker 5: This is a name that you've seen at least Jesse
Speaker 5: Holly Champion, and I think we were talking about it
Speaker 5: last week even as a name that we would champion
Speaker 5: as a guy that would be a coach on the
Speaker 5: field as well as a great player on the field,
Speaker 5: So there's still a lot to go. I don't think
Speaker 5: the splash has been made by any stretch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the initial splash was the Gary trade,
Speaker 3: of course, and what happened was for Jean Gary last week.
Speaker 3: But now you add some other pieces that can contend
Speaker 3: for significant snaps. You think about Bobie Durant, you think
Speaker 3: about even Matt Hennessy kind of is your brock Hoffman replacement,
Speaker 3: even though rock Hoffmann hasn't signed.
Speaker 6: He's not signed anywhere, so I mean.
Speaker 3: He's not made necessarily a replacement quite yet. But he's
Speaker 3: a glass eater type of versatile offensive lineman that can
Speaker 3: possibly come in in a spot duty sort of situation.
Speaker 3: But based on what they've done, it's still not that
Speaker 3: high end move yet.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: No, I think that's and that's the criticism that you
Speaker 5: can have. Obviously, we had expectations obviously very different from
Speaker 5: what the Cowboys had going in, but we know that
Speaker 5: they made pushes for certain linebackers that were on the
Speaker 5: market that didn't quite you know, go our way for
Speaker 5: whatever reason that it just didn't come our way, which
Speaker 5: is unfortunate. You would hope that the Cowboys would make
Speaker 5: that extra push to secure a guy that they really really.
Speaker 6: Want to add to this defense.
Speaker 5: But I think now all signs, in my opinion, are
Speaker 5: pointed to the draft, which I don't know is the
Speaker 5: best ness strategy for that position necessarily. I know there
Speaker 5: are a lot of really good names, but I mean,
Speaker 5: you're counting on a rookie to come in and you know,
Speaker 5: take over all of the starts for a linebacker, which.
Speaker 4: You know you don't like it.
Speaker 6: I don't like Yep.
Speaker 5: I don't like those words again, like I'm saying, and
Speaker 5: you'd hope that they still have moves to make in
Speaker 5: free agency in regards to that position.
Speaker 6: But what are we waiting on?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we talked about it last week, right
Speaker 7: that there were only so many big time moves that
Speaker 7: could have been associated with the Dallas Cowboys, and a
Speaker 7: lot of those guys that we were kind of hoping
Speaker 7: for really got taken off the board.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 7: I'm talking about the guys that got taken off early.
Speaker 7: And then we talk about there was a second wave
Speaker 7: of guys that I know we talked about off air
Speaker 7: in turn of specifically at linebacker that got taken off
Speaker 7: the board by other teams relatively quickly. We have a
Speaker 7: little side chat that every time somebody gets taken we're like.
Speaker 5: Oh, Isaiah and I were texting that the entire weeks,
Speaker 5: like literally every guy that we wanted is off the board.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all the linebackers that we really liked were off
Speaker 7: the board. That's not to say that there aren't guys
Speaker 7: that are still feasible, are guys that can contribute, but
Speaker 7: the guys that we really wanted to set our hat on.
Speaker 7: Those guys are gone. So now you're in a situation
Speaker 7: where you're kind of back where you're used to the
Speaker 7: Dallas Cowboys being, which is their searching for discount double
Speaker 7: checks really and late veteran additions.
Speaker 4: This is familiar territory. So did they.
Speaker 7: Do anything different this season this offseason than they have
Speaker 7: in past years?
Speaker 4: You just alluded to it. Yes, they have.
Speaker 7: I like some of their signings. I definitely like pretty
Speaker 7: much like all their signings that they've made. I like
Speaker 7: the fact that they brought in Sam Howell. I really
Speaker 7: like that one. I think that is very underrated signing,
Speaker 7: and in regards to that position in terms of Dak's
Speaker 7: health in terms of what was behind Dak. I think
Speaker 7: that that creates a lot of competition there and somebody
Speaker 7: that you can really rest your hat on, and I
Speaker 7: think that's important specifically at that position.
Speaker 4: I think PJ. Lock obviously the versatility.
Speaker 7: There was huge. Jalen Thompson is huge. Both of those
Speaker 7: guys are able to give you versatility both at the
Speaker 7: safety position and being able to come in and play
Speaker 7: a little bit of corner as well. And then Kobe Durant,
Speaker 7: I think that was that was definitely a good a
Speaker 7: thrift by you know it. I'll put it that way.
Speaker 7: He's a good player, and sometimes you go to thrift
Speaker 7: story you can find some good stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think that's the exactly what the Dallas Cowboys did.
Speaker 7: I think by most accounts, people would feel like Kobe
Speaker 7: Durant probably could have knit it probably probably another three
Speaker 7: or four or four, and they got him for five.
Speaker 4: So thank you.
Speaker 5: That's five max with incentives, that's four base caress.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure that's what happened there with him his opportunities,
Speaker 7: but thank you, Uh take that all day long.
Speaker 3: When we talked to him while he was signing, he
Speaker 3: said that he was he said he was trying to
Speaker 3: let his agent kind of handle everything. Wanted to let
Speaker 3: the process go as it may. And then as soon
Speaker 3: as the agent called and they said Dallas wants you,
Speaker 3: he said, make it happen. So he really wanted to
Speaker 3: be here. I think that's one element of it. And
Speaker 3: then I asked a staff member too, from the from
Speaker 3: the front office what they thought about him, and I
Speaker 3: kind of said that I was like, he kind of
Speaker 3: got him for a deal, huh, And their first thoughts
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know, I don't know. He said,
Speaker 3: I hope that we got him for a steal, right.
Speaker 3: I hope that we paid the right amount of money
Speaker 3: for him. But he also said as soon as he
Speaker 3: heard Jordan Lewis like yeah, and saw Jordan Lewis like,
Speaker 3: because there was a lot of people that kind of
Speaker 3: compared him to that, even though he didn't play a
Speaker 3: ton in the nickel. He only played like eighty something
Speaker 3: snaps in the Nickel. As soon as he said Jordan
Speaker 3: Lewis like in the type of play, they were bought
Speaker 3: on and spot on.
Speaker 5: Board and that's the name that Jerry Jones has been
Speaker 5: very regretful of losing the last officer first time.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, he definitely admitted it.
Speaker 3: Vocal about it, Yeah, and vocal about it.
Speaker 5: He's brought his name up quite a few times, which
Speaker 5: you know, is surprising, I guess for that regime to
Speaker 5: reference a mistake or you know, something that they regret.
Speaker 4: Wasn't there a show that talked about how important.
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely we did.
Speaker 5: I was talking to Danny mccraye yesterday about Durant and
Speaker 5: because he hadn't seen any of his tape before, and
Speaker 5: I was like, just watch this highlight reel with me
Speaker 5: real quick, because I had questions about his ability and
Speaker 5: him being undersized, how that compares to like some of
Speaker 5: the corners that we've had in the past. And his
Speaker 5: immediate reference was Seorge Lewis, Like, right off the.
Speaker 3: Back, they look similar in the way that they play,
Speaker 3: the physicality, the footwork, the speed, I mean all of that.
Speaker 3: I think Kobe's not as polished as Jaylu, but honestly,
Speaker 3: Jaylu wasn't as polished in the early parts of his
Speaker 3: career too. It took him a little bit of time
Speaker 3: to get there. Durant could be that at some point
Speaker 3: in time, with the right coaching, in the right scenario.
Speaker 6: Going into this fifth year two, I mean there's still
Speaker 6: plenty of from very young.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has the right mindset, and so I
Speaker 3: think that's one of my favorite underrated signings that Dallas
Speaker 3: has had so far. I'm glad you brought up Sam
Speaker 3: Howe to because it provides competition for Joe Milton. And
Speaker 3: they did release Will Greer. They waived him this past week.
Speaker 3: So shout out to Will for everything that he did,
Speaker 3: kind of battling back and coming back to the organization
Speaker 3: after he was originally leto a couple of seasons ago.
Speaker 3: But now you get a guy like Sam Howe who
Speaker 3: had seventeen games of gameplay two years ago and has
Speaker 3: some experience underneath him to come and challenge Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: Very different type of quarterback, very different body, type of quarterback.
Speaker 3: When you've got Sam Howe. When he walked in the
Speaker 3: other day, the first thought I had was, Wow, he's
Speaker 3: a lot smaller than I thought he was. Where the
Speaker 3: first time. Yeah, And then the first time I saw
Speaker 3: Joe Milton was like, holy cow, he's way bigger than.
Speaker 4: I thought he was.
Speaker 7: Somehow is a freaking competitor, Yeah, he is. That's one
Speaker 7: thing I think We talked about it a couple of
Speaker 7: years ago when when Washington had felled, you know, he
Speaker 7: was in a position to start for Washington. I was like, hey, man, like,
Speaker 7: watch out with respect on this dude's name when I
Speaker 7: was watching this film because.
Speaker 4: I like him.
Speaker 7: I like him a lot North Carolina, Right, Yeah, Joe
Speaker 7: Milton better.
Speaker 4: Strap him up, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I think that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 5: But obviously that's a competition that you only want to
Speaker 5: see in the preseason. You know, It's like you absolutely
Speaker 5: you only want to see it there. But at least
Speaker 5: there is competition for Joe Milton as opposed to like,
Speaker 5: you know, last year was kind of a chew in
Speaker 5: Like I think maybe halfway through camp you're thinking, like, well,
Speaker 5: I don't know if this show.
Speaker 6: The guys really got it. But now it's like he's
Speaker 6: his feet are against the fire now.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Some other the other signings Tito, but you
Speaker 3: got to talk to he was awesome. He was really
Speaker 3: cool from Houston. He was born and raised in Houston.
Speaker 3: Was a track and field guy down there too, along
Speaker 3: with playing football.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: He said he's always been a Cowboys fan. He's excited
Speaker 3: to play for the organization, and not everybody always says that.
Speaker 3: They always say, hey, I'm excited to play for the organization,
Speaker 3: but not everybody says, I grew up cheering for the
Speaker 3: team that I'm now currently playing for and gets to
Speaker 3: do that. He's a he's going to be a depth piece,
Speaker 3: somebody that rotates in and and I think it's it's
Speaker 3: quality depth, depth.
Speaker 6: Pey who's in front of him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like Kenny Clark and Quinnen Williams. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so no more, no more Osa, no more Solomon Thomas,
Speaker 3: but that's still a number. No more perry On Winfrey.
Speaker 3: But that's a crowded room too. And you need a
Speaker 3: big body, strong dude. And one of the first things
Speaker 3: that I noticed when talking to him was he's got
Speaker 3: a strong handshake man. Well, he almost crushed our hands.
Speaker 4: He's a rotational guy for you right now. I think
Speaker 4: he's a starter.
Speaker 3: You think so, I don't.
Speaker 6: I disagree.
Speaker 3: I think I disagree a little bit.
Speaker 4: Who's your three down?
Speaker 3: Three down right now? I mean, Kenny, Hm, Quinn And
Speaker 3: then I.
Speaker 4: Were Shawn Gary, are you throwing him on?
Speaker 3: You're you're you're standing him up?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I think he's gonna play a lot of that
Speaker 3: four I spot. No, oh, I think so?
Speaker 6: And why not? Your draft pick showed some some things
Speaker 6: last year.
Speaker 3: I'm forging Desert Donovan azrako a.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, now Tito over to year.
Speaker 4: Tito is you're a starter right now? That's right now.
Speaker 3: You don't think Gary's gonna play down No.
Speaker 4: None to three four?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: Heck no?
Speaker 7: Oh man, no, Okay, That's why I come back to this.
Speaker 7: Look at the Look at the body types right that acquired. Okay,
Speaker 7: look at Gary. Okay, what's Gary size? He is sixty
Speaker 7: five to eighty six four.
Speaker 4: Two seventy five.
Speaker 7: Okay, right, so he's a he's a big, stand up
Speaker 7: outside linebacker. Right when I talked about it before, that's
Speaker 7: the type of type. Sixty two, sixty to twenty five
Speaker 7: to eighty right, those are the guys that you want.
Speaker 7: They've gotten rid of their quote unquote undersize defensive lineman.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
Speaker 5: And the writing was on the wall before that happened,
Speaker 5: because they signed upon before the trade with OS.
Speaker 7: Yes, but I want people to see the trend lines
Speaker 7: here in terms of defensive lineman versus outside linebackers. Your
Speaker 7: defensive linemen are at least three hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're true.
Speaker 7: Three four defensive linemen are three hundred plus, and that's
Speaker 7: a change in parts. Usually you're gonna have multiple one
Speaker 7: or zero techniques. They're gonna be three thirty right, three
Speaker 7: twenty three thirty They give the big fellas, right, the
Speaker 7: big nasties. Those guys are gonna be right on the centers. Okay,
Speaker 7: Then you're gonna have the more agile three hundred pounders
Speaker 7: are gonna be playing like your your three and your
Speaker 7: your four and five techniques.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 7: Then so those are your down guys, you guys, those
Speaker 7: guys that have their hands in the ground. Okay, So
Speaker 7: you're going to see a trend line there, and you
Speaker 7: talk about Otito big fella, Clark big fella, Quinn Williams
Speaker 7: big fella. All those guys are down lineman in the
Speaker 7: three four. Yeah, you're outside linebackers AK slash defensive ends.
Speaker 7: They're going to be two sixty plus two sixty to
Speaker 7: two eighty usually. So look at the guys that you
Speaker 7: have slotted at outside linebacker gary to seventy five, right, yeah,
Speaker 7: six four twenty.
Speaker 4: Five, uh right, kind of the cussip there right on
Speaker 4: the customer right.
Speaker 3: And they have said that he will play both.
Speaker 7: I'm sure he will. He's going primarily he'll be a
Speaker 7: stand up, which I agree, and that's where you should
Speaker 7: have them.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying to stand upside.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that these guys can never put their hands,
Speaker 7: but right now, are you going to sacrifice having Rashawn
Speaker 7: Gary playing at least down a little bit in that
Speaker 7: spot in his talent level just to have Otito O bone?
Speaker 3: Is he good enough? I played that consistently as a starter.
Speaker 7: I believe that Gary's the greatest benefit that he can
Speaker 7: provide to your team is him standing up. I'm not
Speaker 7: saying that he can't play with his hand down. I'm
Speaker 7: saying that he's more beneficial to you standing are.
Speaker 3: So I just don't think they have a guy right
Speaker 3: now that is the solidified starter there.
Speaker 7: So right now, if it's me, I'm I can move
Speaker 7: those three O Tito, Kenny Clark, Quinny Williams. I can
Speaker 7: rotate those guys along that three down anyway. I want
Speaker 7: to write something. It doesn't really matter who makes a
Speaker 7: master wherever. They's all about the message.
Speaker 6: Right size wise for the scheme, exactly.
Speaker 7: For that scheme right there. Okay, So but then I'm
Speaker 7: going to Gary on one end. Okay, I got Wheat,
Speaker 7: who's two sixty, two sixty five. You got Sam Williams
Speaker 7: two sixty, probably gonna be two sixty five. Donovan Ezakuho
Speaker 7: is two fifty two, you know, to forty eight somewhere
Speaker 7: around there. He'll have an extra don under two you'll have. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he'll be two sixty by the time he hits camp. Right,
Speaker 7: So two hundred and sixty pounds, that's what I want
Speaker 7: people to start getting. Those are gonna be your stand
Speaker 7: up outside linebackers that can go out and set the edge,
Speaker 7: funnel everything in. They can pass rush, and they can
Speaker 7: go ahead and set the edge. That is going to
Speaker 7: be the body type that you're looking So when I
Speaker 7: know you're mister draft we start looking at this draft stuff,
Speaker 7: those are gonna be the guys that this this organization
Speaker 7: is looking for to fill those positional needs. They're either
Speaker 7: going to be a really big fella they can put
Speaker 7: his hand in the ground, or they're gonna be uh
Speaker 7: still a big guy, but not necessarily a down lineman
Speaker 7: as you would as you would think about it in this.
Speaker 4: Particular scheme kind of another Rashan Garry exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So mister draft, excuse me. Are those guys gonna
Speaker 5: be in the third round.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be the question, because can you find your
Speaker 3: linebackers in your corners enough to where in your safeties? Really?
Speaker 3: I think you've maybe you feel good about your safeties
Speaker 3: now or you're in a better place than you were,
Speaker 3: a better place now. But the value lines up with
Speaker 3: linebacker and safety later in the draft than it does
Speaker 3: defensive tackle, slash end guys. You know, the edge rusher
Speaker 3: guys are gonna go early. TJ. Parker is the name
Speaker 3: that keeps coming to mind for me because he's a
Speaker 3: big bodied edge rusher out of Clemson. He's kind of
Speaker 3: that outside guy that maybe can play both a little
Speaker 3: bit national flexel exactly and everybody ELSEO has to remember
Speaker 3: that it's not going to be ninety percent of the
Speaker 3: time three four, No, it's going to be a lot
Speaker 3: of four down linemen and even man front two.
Speaker 7: And I bring up those sizes because we've heard Christian
Speaker 7: Parker talk about the they're going to be multiple. So
Speaker 7: if you're going to be multiple, I need guys that
Speaker 7: are at around that two between two sixty to two
Speaker 7: two ninety, Yeah, two and two ninety. That could play down,
Speaker 7: and I feel confident about them being able to hold
Speaker 7: their own, but also they need to be quick enough
Speaker 7: and explose them enough where I stand them up.
Speaker 4: And I still feel like they can get to the quarterback.
Speaker 7: So I'm saying, like that body type around there, that
Speaker 7: two sixty to two ninety, that's what I'm looking at
Speaker 7: them most likely acquiring in addition to getting one more
Speaker 7: really big fella up front.
Speaker 3: Can I give you a draft watch for me? Yeah,
Speaker 3: just for those reasons. Keldric Folk out of Auburn kind
Speaker 3: of fits that mold six six two eighty right around there.
Speaker 6: And Tommy wrote about him on Dusko was dot com.
Speaker 3: Back and then I mentioned TJ. Parker, he's more four
Speaker 3: to seventy ish. I can't I don't have the draft
Speaker 3: numbers in front of me, but just off the top,
Speaker 3: I like this, he's right around there.
Speaker 4: I like six four to sixty six.
Speaker 7: The reason why it's passing lanes, yeah, right, being able
Speaker 7: to knock the ball down when you're going to three four,
Speaker 7: especially those guys getting down, they're gonna kind of pinch down.
Speaker 7: The quarterback's gonna want to get the ball out of
Speaker 7: their hands. You've got six six long arms. You're reaching
Speaker 7: up ten feet in the air.
Speaker 6: Right If you're not getting past that lineman, at least
Speaker 6: you have the link to interrupt.
Speaker 3: Another guy like that, denied Dennis Sutton out of Penn State,
Speaker 3: six foot five, two seventy. He may be a guy
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily twelve or twenty, but maybe he slips
Speaker 3: a little bit. I've got a second round grade on him.
Speaker 3: Maybe he slips into the third. We'll see. But those
Speaker 3: are three guys that I think fit that bill early
Speaker 3: in the draft that you can kind of maneuver back
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Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 8: Uh uh hi, guys, thank you so much for taking
Speaker 8: my call. Uh happy Saint Patrick's day. Uh uh all right, thanks?
Speaker 8: Uh uh guys. First of all, I want to say.
Speaker 3: Uh uh uh.
Speaker 8: Uh uh I absolutely, I absolutely love the fact uh
Speaker 8: that we hired Christian Parker to be our new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7: Uh uh.
Speaker 8: Please excuse me because I know it's too early to tell, uh,
Speaker 8: but I for one believe he's gonna do a great
Speaker 8: uh uh uh uh uh uh uh a job for us.
Speaker 8: Uh just out of curiosity? Who uh who uh? Who
Speaker 8: do you believe? Which player do you believe will benefit
Speaker 8: most from Christian parkers hiring? And before I go, I
Speaker 8: just want to say, let's do what the two thousand
Speaker 8: and seventeen Philadelphia Eagles dead, and let's go from seven
Speaker 8: and nine to Super Bowl champions because it's time for
Speaker 8: us to win a Super Bowl. Go cowboys. Take care. Thanksful,
Speaker 8: impatient with me. I have a great week and one month.
Speaker 8: One more thing. I love you guys, by appreciate it.
Speaker 3: We love you too. That's awesome. Thanks Nebby for the
Speaker 3: call as always and always knows ball.
Speaker 5: You know, for a long time I really thought Neavy
Speaker 5: new ball, but he just brought up the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 5: winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: On hock the heck, man, you just want to make you angry.
Speaker 6: What are you doing to.
Speaker 3: Light a fire? Yeah, that's what he's trying to do.
Speaker 3: He's trying to light a fire a little bit.
Speaker 6: Got me, mad man.
Speaker 3: He's trying to say, hey, seven and nine to a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl as.
Speaker 4: Possible, we can't avoid the fact that we do have
Speaker 4: one of their coaches.
Speaker 3: If we did take one of those guys.
Speaker 6: He's cowboy, that's all.
Speaker 7: Whatever he did before this could care less, just sketching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't even care. He wears the right colors. Now,
Speaker 3: all right, let's answer his question. I don't have it. Wow,
Speaker 3: will you pinched the back of my hand if you
Speaker 3: want to go? Thanks dude. The uh Yeah. When it
Speaker 3: comes to Christian Parker's higher who does it benefit the most?
Speaker 3: That was his question.
Speaker 4: Initially, like my answer, you'all don't think I'm crazy.
Speaker 3: I already think you're crazy.
Speaker 6: So the question was which current like free free agency?
Speaker 3: Okay, got it, yeah, like which returning Cowboys are going
Speaker 3: to benefit the most? Good, Sam Williams, I agree with
Speaker 3: you actually, so I don't think you're that crazy.
Speaker 4: I like my answer. I know, I know.
Speaker 7: Sam Williams has not been what people have wanted him
Speaker 7: to be. He has not been consistent contributor on defense.
Speaker 7: He has hurt the team with penalties. He's been a
Speaker 7: reliable special teamer. We can't dispute that whatsoever. But Sam
Speaker 7: williams body type and playing style did not fit a
Speaker 7: four down scheme.
Speaker 3: It just did it. It just never did. They tried
Speaker 3: to bowld them into that and it never really worked out.
Speaker 3: He's not explosive enough to be a true defensive end.
Speaker 3: He's not big enough to be you know saying to
Speaker 3: be your your down lineman per se. So three four
Speaker 3: fits him perfect.
Speaker 7: He is a downhill head butt you in the face
Speaker 7: type of guy, and he has long arms. He can
Speaker 7: set the edge, he can run stop like that's that's
Speaker 7: his style. He wants to go downhill he doesn't want
Speaker 7: to have to think and try to, you know, run
Speaker 7: around like let him go. And I think that Sam Williams,
Speaker 7: Tyros Wheat, those those guys that body style, they're playing type,
Speaker 7: those guys are going to benefit a lot. So I
Speaker 7: know they're not the big names that everybody is looking
Speaker 7: for right now, but in terms of what they do
Speaker 7: well and what fits them best, this is the best
Speaker 7: situation that they could possibly be in, and I think
Speaker 7: they're going to be the benefactors of this. Christian Parker
Speaker 7: three four base defense.
Speaker 3: We didn't even talk about the Tyros Whet signing after
Speaker 3: he spent last year with Detroit. That's your guy back.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to see him obviously.
Speaker 7: Again, we talked about winn this three four when when
Speaker 7: Christian Parker was coming over him switching over to three four.
Speaker 7: What does that do to your roster? And I mentioned
Speaker 7: multiple times your roster has to change in terms of
Speaker 7: your personal your personnel.
Speaker 4: Body types.
Speaker 7: You're gonna start seeing a lot of more two under
Speaker 7: sixty two undred and seventy pound guys on this roster defensively,
Speaker 7: and your special teams will benefit from it as well.
Speaker 7: And I think Wheat and Sam Williams or those are
Speaker 7: both going to be huge contributors for you on special teams.
Speaker 7: But also they're guys that you feel comfortable being able
Speaker 7: to say, hey, go out there, stand up, and any
Speaker 7: tight end that tries to block you, run them into
Speaker 7: the lap of a quarterback right. Any tackle that tries
Speaker 7: to come out, you just hold them in place. So
Speaker 7: I feel good about those guys and what they bring
Speaker 7: to this team. They're relentless guys there that you don't
Speaker 7: have to be questioning about their effort. There are guys
Speaker 7: that you can give one task to and say, hey,
Speaker 7: go strong arm this dude and just push them back,
Speaker 7: and you feel comfortable about that, and you're okay with
Speaker 7: that just being their contributions in this defensive scheme.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna cheat a little bit because this guy was
Speaker 5: given a disservice last year. I don't think he played
Speaker 5: very healthy. I think he had a rough go at it.
Speaker 5: But obviously, you know, any improvement over that will be
Speaker 5: good for him. Some of them, rebel, I think obviously,
Speaker 5: going from last year to this year, he's going to
Speaker 5: have a full off season under his belt. I think
Speaker 5: the fact well TV's went off, that's all right, we're
Speaker 5: moving along, uh Civione Rebel under Christian Parker under new
Speaker 5: Right Cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith secondary coach.
Speaker 6: Rather, I think that's going to be a huge.
Speaker 5: Improvement for him, and anything above his production last year
Speaker 5: will be better obviously for him. Like I said, it's
Speaker 5: sort of a cheat code, but I think he's gonna
Speaker 5: be considerably better than he was last year.
Speaker 3: I like it. Paul in New York City, you were
Speaker 3: on Cowboys? What's going on, Paul, I'm not.
Speaker 12: With New York City of close to the Syracuse for drum area.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So I just got Paul in New York
Speaker 3: on my on line, So I just assume that's on me,
Speaker 3: not upstate. My bad.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good, said not to see Patrick
Speaker 12: Mosey Walker. But hey, guys, how are you guys doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing all right?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm doing good. So we got Rashaan Gary, which
Speaker 12: I'm excited about. But he's what two seventy seven we
Speaker 12: were saying. So I have a question about a guy
Speaker 12: that we traded with OSA, because you've talked about in
Speaker 12: the two ninety range as the high end. Did they
Speaker 12: not think he could stand up on the outside, kind
Speaker 12: of like Gary, He's not much different on the bill
Speaker 12: other than being a tackle. Was that something that they
Speaker 12: were looking at also with Parker? I think the best
Speaker 12: is going to be the secondary is going to get
Speaker 12: the biggest benefit. Blaine might get back to what he's doing.
Speaker 12: I think he will help revel. That's all I got today.
Speaker 12: I just wanted to say hi everyone, Thanks.
Speaker 3: Man, I appreciate you. Paul, appreciate the call from up
Speaker 3: there in the Syracuse A.
Speaker 5: I think it would be silly to think that Ohso
Speaker 5: couldn't contribute in this defense, even under Christian Parker. I
Speaker 5: think the thing that really hampered him was the money.
Speaker 5: The fact that he's that hit that he was going
Speaker 5: to have this year. I think it was too much
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys blood to account for this year while
Speaker 5: also trying to improve several aspects of your defense. I
Speaker 5: think they got what they thought was the most they
Speaker 5: could get out of him as far in terms of
Speaker 5: a trade, which helped them and has them.
Speaker 6: Currently under the cap. So I think that's mainly it.
Speaker 5: I think it was a business decision, which is unfortunate
Speaker 5: because you want a guy like Osa on your team.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was entirely a business decision, because you know,
Speaker 3: they they really had a tough time moving on. I
Speaker 3: think from Osa just in having conversations around the building.
Speaker 3: They loved though. So he was a leader in the
Speaker 3: locker room, somebody that was willing to do whatever he
Speaker 3: was asked, right, yeah, whenever it came to making this
Speaker 3: team successful.
Speaker 6: Ultimate character guy.
Speaker 3: Was he a perfect fit in a three four No,
Speaker 3: but you're gonna play multiple He would have had places
Speaker 3: to be successful even if it was in a two
Speaker 3: down scenario, and even if it was in spare time.
Speaker 5: But for that cap hit for a rotational defensive lineman,
Speaker 5: it's just didn't.
Speaker 3: Cap hit number two. And it makes sense for twenty
Speaker 3: seven and twenty eight. That's really where the money helps,
Speaker 3: cause you actually kind of take a borderline. It's a
Speaker 3: sixty year right yeah. I think it's like plus four
Speaker 3: of what it would have been in like plus twelve
Speaker 3: over the the term of the contract. But you get
Speaker 3: that all up front, and then the twenty seven and
Speaker 3: twenty eight seasons you're off the books entirely, and so
Speaker 3: that helps you a ton over the next two years
Speaker 3: when you're trying to continue this window and build into
Speaker 3: the future. But then also Osa, it was the contract,
Speaker 3: it was the scheme fit and the body type, and
Speaker 3: it just kind of where he was. But oh, in
Speaker 3: the value. The value was the third element there of
Speaker 3: where San Francisco comes in and says, we're gonna give
Speaker 3: you a top one hundred pick.
Speaker 6: That's that's hard when you didn't have a Day two
Speaker 6: pick at all.
Speaker 3: Now that's a lot of value there. Did you think
Speaker 3: Osa could have fit in the system.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so Osa could fit in any system.
Speaker 7: That's the thing about Osa. I outside of the fact
Speaker 7: that he's a great human, great leader, drinks a lot
Speaker 7: of water too. I'm gonna miss seeing that big water jug,
Speaker 7: you know, walking out the locker room. Just always was
Speaker 7: willing to do stuff with the media. It's nothing, but
Speaker 7: I mean, he was a great dude. But I hate
Speaker 7: to see him. I hate see him leave, man. But
Speaker 7: I understand it from the business perspective. But in terms
Speaker 7: of he could do, Osa could play in any system
Speaker 7: whatever you ask Olso he's going to contribute. He's strong,
Speaker 7: he's physical, he's explosive, all the things. There's not a
Speaker 7: box that he doesn't really check for you. So good
Speaker 7: luck to him and his contributions that he'll make to
Speaker 7: San Francisco. But he was just too expensive for what
Speaker 7: they were going to be asking him to do here
Speaker 7: in Dallas this year. And what you can replace him with.
Speaker 7: You can get multiple guys for what you're going to
Speaker 7: be paying him this year.
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Speaker 3: how recency bias is going to get us in trouble
Speaker 3: because I'm going to revisit this at the end of
Speaker 3: the regular season, and I've got a calendar spot already
Speaker 3: reserved at the end of the regular season in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six, so it.
Speaker 4: Was not fair freaking no season.
Speaker 3: I know I want to get it. I I'll ask
Speaker 3: him about it, and honestly, I know he's listening. If
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Speaker 3: totally text it do it. He also said that he
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Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: But this is rating each football move that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: have made so far, Okay, and we're gonna do it
Speaker 3: pretty quickly here one through ten. One being this is
Speaker 3: like a super Bowl caliber move. This is the most
Speaker 3: incredible move you've made all off season. So if you
Speaker 3: believe there's one of those, then go ahead and say.
Speaker 3: If you don't believe there's one of those, then don't
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 6: He said one is the super Bowl move.
Speaker 3: I didn't right here on the text message says ten
Speaker 3: equals super Bowl caliber.
Speaker 6: I thought you just said one super Bowl Okay.
Speaker 3: Sorry, ten is super Bowl caliber. If I said it
Speaker 3: the wrong, yeah, then that's what I uh. Ten is
Speaker 3: a super Bowl caliber move. One is the team is
Speaker 3: worse now because of this move, So got it right.
Speaker 3: Around five means you're steady right. Yeah, So anything five
Speaker 3: and above is a good move. Anything five and below
Speaker 3: probably not. Let's start with the big ones that happened
Speaker 3: even prior to free agency opening. Javonte Williams being signed
Speaker 3: with Dallas. Where does that ring?
Speaker 6: Oh that's an eight?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's an eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I give it a seven.
Speaker 3: Seven, Okay. I think I'll probably right there.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of money obviously tied into his contract,
Speaker 5: but I mean, he was an excellent contributor to your
Speaker 5: team last year and you he wants you have him
Speaker 5: as the backbone of your run game obviously.
Speaker 3: So yeah, oh yeah, absolutely think and if you're in
Speaker 3: the chat to go ahead and give your.
Speaker 5: The contract is reasonable although big, I mean I think
Speaker 5: it's a reasonable tag for what.
Speaker 3: Now that we're seeing what some of these running backs
Speaker 3: are getting to, I think you actually kind of got
Speaker 3: it for a steal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, some of these hometown discount a.
Speaker 3: Little bit, Yeah, a little bit, all right. George Pickens
Speaker 3: being placed on the franchise tag. It's kind of a
Speaker 3: tough one. Uh.
Speaker 5: Four, Yeah, I mean it's it's necessary, so I'm fine
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 8: Five.
Speaker 3: You kind of got to see where it goes.
Speaker 4: It was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, four gone conclusion.
Speaker 6: Ten would be signing him.
Speaker 3: But okay, I like that. Where would it be if
Speaker 3: he if they do sign him for you?
Speaker 4: Eight?
Speaker 3: Eight? Pretty high move, uh, Brandon Aubrey second round tender.
Speaker 4: I'll give it an eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just to keep him around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he I mean nobody's offered anything yet, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know if anybody will.
Speaker 5: Well, fair Burn only got six point five exactly, and
Speaker 5: I think, honestly, that's a really good strategic move by
Speaker 5: the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Great move by the Cowboy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, give it an eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he lost, well, that was kind of that.
Speaker 6: If you wanted ten, which reports yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think they want to he one t
Speaker 3: I don't think he asked for Tim would also want
Speaker 3: to Yeah there Tim, Tim would be nice? Uh. TJ
Speaker 3: Bass second round tender? Five?
Speaker 6: Okay, TJ. Bass? Yeah, they clearly don't want to lose him.
Speaker 6: I'd go five.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at to all right, this is where
Speaker 3: it starts getting juicy. Rashaan Gary trade for a fourth
Speaker 3: round pick in comparison to the previous fourth round pick trades.
Speaker 3: I will give this a seven point five.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'd give this an eight because of the pay
Speaker 5: cut that he agreed to as well. If you incorporate
Speaker 5: that into the move, I'd say that's an eight.
Speaker 3: Two years, thirty two million, sixteen on average per year. Yep,
Speaker 3: sounds pretty good to me. The boy solid edge rusher. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it a I'll give it a nay.
Speaker 3: I think he's a good player, and we talked about
Speaker 3: this already. He gives you something better than what you
Speaker 3: had on defense last year in terms of rushing the passers.
Speaker 3: And he gives you versatility from a down lineman, a
Speaker 3: stand up lineman, whatever you wanted to use him as
Speaker 3: at outside linebacker rather, he gives you opportunities there. Sam
Speaker 3: Williams being re signed for.
Speaker 6: Dallas, so three point five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a six. I think I'm thinking six too.
Speaker 3: But I also agreed with Isaiah in the fact that
Speaker 3: I think he's better in the system. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think he benefits from Christian Parker here.
Speaker 6: I think I'll just need to see that.
Speaker 3: I get it. And I could see fans in the
Speaker 3: chat probably saying one one negative six. There's there's probably
Speaker 3: gonna be some growing pains there, but he's back for
Speaker 3: one year. It's on a low end deal. If he
Speaker 3: makes any sort of impact, then I think it's a
Speaker 3: cherry on top.
Speaker 4: You'll surprise us.
Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson signing with Dallas.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 5: I love that move for me currently as we sit here.
Speaker 5: Give me an eight because of the player, the value
Speaker 5: of the position, and then I also think that the
Speaker 5: coaches are going to benefit from a guy that already
Speaker 5: knows the system. He worked with Ryan Smith, working with
Speaker 5: Christian Parker, I think is going to be beneficial to him.
Speaker 5: I think for the price that you got him for. Honestly,
Speaker 5: that's a that's an aim move for me.
Speaker 4: Give it eight.
Speaker 6: Eight.
Speaker 3: This is my favorite move of the off season so far,
Speaker 3: so I'm going to give it a nine.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 3: I want to step away from not there, but I
Speaker 3: love the fit for Jalen Thompson. I think he could
Speaker 3: be a star here if if it all goes well
Speaker 3: and if he stays healthy.
Speaker 6: Like those words Kyle Noseball PJ.
Speaker 3: Locke Safety signing with Dallas.
Speaker 4: Seven. You like it seven?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you like him as another guy.
Speaker 6: It's a practical movie you're gonna start for you?
Speaker 4: Do you think starting is so light? Subjective. Okay, I
Speaker 4: think this is going to depend on who we're playing.
Speaker 3: Good point.
Speaker 5: I think it's a very practical move. I think your
Speaker 5: safety room is obviously better than it was last year.
Speaker 5: But I think he's kind of an average player from
Speaker 5: what I'm seeing so far.
Speaker 6: I'd say five.
Speaker 3: I'd give it a six. Same kind of thing, like,
Speaker 3: you're better than what you were. It gives you options,
Speaker 3: and you're better than.
Speaker 6: What you are, certainly less bad.
Speaker 3: That helps Tito.
Speaker 5: Again, another depth piece in the depth behind Quinn and
Speaker 5: Kenny Clark. You lost three contributors there, and it's more
Speaker 5: of a fit scheme because of those guys. But you know,
Speaker 5: half a sack on his career, forty four solo tackles
Speaker 5: one year, three million dollars.
Speaker 6: I'd say five, yeah, yeah, give me a six.
Speaker 3: Five, Yeah, I'm in a five, Sam Howe, oh quarterback.
Speaker 4: Give me a eight.
Speaker 3: You like it that much?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Wow, I like it a lot.
Speaker 7: I don't think people understand if you if you were
Speaker 7: to lose deck, you were in a bath, you were
Speaker 7: in a bad spot.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, Like I don't think people have no chances.
Speaker 4: Like you really no disrespect to it.
Speaker 7: Milton hopefully he's gotten a lot better so far during
Speaker 7: this this off period.
Speaker 3: We just haven't seen it.
Speaker 6: But now we get to find out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but now you get to find out. And you know,
Speaker 7: Sam Howe is a dog like Sam How's a dolt.
Speaker 7: He's not a freaking he's not a you know, world beater,
Speaker 7: but he is somebody. You put him in a game,
Speaker 7: you got a chance. In my eyes, you got a
Speaker 7: freaking chance. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3: Whenever we get into our production meetings for the preseason,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be sick. They're at a table at some
Speaker 3: Marriotte wherever we are getting ready for a preseason broadcast.
Speaker 3: And when we're gonna turn to no Marriott's where their
Speaker 3: partner don't worry, Okay, the the where we we turned
Speaker 3: to Isaiah and like, what do you want to talk
Speaker 3: about in the open? Isaiah? And Isaiah is gonna be
Speaker 3: like this quarterback to battle. This is what we want
Speaker 3: to see samal versus versus Joe Milton can't wait all.
Speaker 6: At the moon.
Speaker 3: He's gonna use that on the broadcast.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm still.
Speaker 3: Uh Tyrus Wheat signing with the team.
Speaker 4: That's good, good value.
Speaker 3: Give me a six point five I'll say seven.
Speaker 6: It's a six.
Speaker 3: Okay. Matt Hennessy signing with the team.
Speaker 6: I actually like that move.
Speaker 5: Like you said, he's very versatilelignment, and if you're losing
Speaker 5: brock Hoffman, that's a good real placement for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, give me six six.
Speaker 4: I would have been Okay, what Hoffman, So give me
Speaker 4: a five?
Speaker 3: Yeah Hoffman.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know who costs you
Speaker 4: more money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably Hoffman. Honestly, with that deal, I would I
Speaker 3: would give me a five with Hennessy. I don't think
Speaker 3: it moves the needle a ton for me.
Speaker 5: I also really hope Rob Jones gets another shot because
Speaker 5: he had an injury last year.
Speaker 6: I early want to see that injury.
Speaker 3: I want to call good. Call Kobe Durant signing at
Speaker 3: the cornerback spot.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 6: Uh, really good.
Speaker 5: I'd say seven point five and give me any value
Speaker 5: of the player and the ceiling that he has.
Speaker 4: Give me a yeah, some point, give me a seven
Speaker 4: point six, seven eight.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then Princeton Fant returning at the time.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love Prist. Yeah, that's your guy, that's my guy.
Speaker 8: Love.
Speaker 7: I think he's so underutilized, man, Yeah, give me a
Speaker 7: give me a six point five.
Speaker 3: Okay, six seven, actually six six okay, not a six
Speaker 3: seven six. The the reason I even bring up this
Speaker 3: conversation is what would be a ten from here on that?
Speaker 3: There doesn't have to be a specific name out there, okay,
Speaker 3: but you could make a move, Let's say George Pickens,
Speaker 3: the move that happened last year, a trade, whatever may be.
Speaker 3: What do you have to get in order to forward
Speaker 3: to be a ten? Can it be a position group?
Speaker 3: It can be whatever you think? There's no more ten signings,
Speaker 3: I don't think. But to make a move this, to.
Speaker 7: Make a trade, it would have to be a beast
Speaker 7: of a receiver or a beast of a of a corner.
Speaker 3: For me, well, I think Jalen waddles on the trade block, right,
Speaker 3: you're going, oh yeah, you going, what happened where.
Speaker 4: He is in Denver?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: Freaking freak.
Speaker 5: I wonder if I wonder if the front office's ears
Speaker 5: perk up when they see Jaillen Wall go for a
Speaker 5: first and it.
Speaker 4: Was late, it was a thirtieth overall, a in an
Speaker 4: early fourth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then a third pick swap right, yeah, something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 6: To wonder if they're like.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you, I mean adding, obviously, we hope not.
Speaker 7: Obviously you don't need it here. But if you were
Speaker 7: to do that, then I mean, you're pretty much making
Speaker 7: your offense, you know, invincible.
Speaker 3: Mmm. Yeah, but you got to find a way to
Speaker 3: retain one of your guys already.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.
Speaker 7: No, I'm That's what I'm saying that that's not a
Speaker 7: reality for Dallas, but I'm saying like it would require
Speaker 7: a move like that, like I'm sure didn't for fans
Speaker 7: are like, oh crap, heck, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 7: we're not sitting here expecting that to happen, but if
Speaker 7: it did, we'd be like, oh, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: Man. Miami's got a couple first round picks that they
Speaker 3: could spend, and they need a wide receiver. Now maybe
Speaker 3: maybe they'd be willing.
Speaker 7: There's still a couple of d ns out there that
Speaker 7: I think are on the trading block or you know,
Speaker 7: even our in free agency that you would still be like.
Speaker 3: That's a nice edition.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 3: Talking about Posa, I'm talking about linebacker, Buddy. I need
Speaker 3: a linebacker too, dude, I need a badass linebacker. Oh real,
Speaker 3: And that would be my that would be my ten
Speaker 3: or both could happen. I both would be great. I'm
Speaker 3: cool with both. I'm all good with yof yeah, both
Speaker 3: of them, both.
Speaker 4: Both of them.
Speaker 3: All right? That does it for us here on Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: Oh good, Thank goodness. You scared me for a SEO
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Speaker 3: I'd be rough, all right. That doesn't for us. For
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