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Speaker 2: You're starting to see some movement here. You got a
Speaker 2: free agency, you had the franchise tag moment here for
Speaker 2: the NFL, it seems like the Vikings are moving on
Speaker 2: from Sam Darnald, and I think we're going to look
Speaker 2: back on eight days. Eight days with Sam Darnold in
Speaker 2: Minnesota probably costume I don't know, one hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: because he was playing great. They were playing great. If
Speaker 2: he would have gotten hurt Week fifteen, he probably would
Speaker 2: have gotten that big contract from somebody in maybe Minnesota.
Speaker 2: But the eight days that he had ended the regular season,
Speaker 2: postseason and then they bow out. He was great until
Speaker 2: he wasn't. And now all of a sudden, the market
Speaker 2: seems to be drying up a little bit. It's like
Speaker 2: when you go, ah, if that girl was available, there'd
Speaker 2: be a lot of guys who'd want to date dater.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden she's available and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe not. Sam Donald is kind of waiting, where's he
Speaker 2: going to land. Daniel Jeremiah, the draft expert for NFL Network, says,
Speaker 2: if Sam Darnold gets to the market, I'd be very
Speaker 2: curious to see if Blank got involved. I think he's
Speaker 2: a clear upgrade for this team that needs to win
Speaker 2: right now. Todd fill in the blank with Daniel Jeremiah's tweet.
Speaker 2: I'd be very curious to see if Blank got involved
Speaker 2: bringing in Sam Donald the Tennessee Titans. Tennessee Titan Seaton,
Speaker 2: what about you Indianapolis Colt wooooop. Yeah, the Colts are
Speaker 2: ready to win now, and you feel like that coaching
Speaker 2: staff has to win now. This goes back to what
Speaker 2: I said a couple of days ago. There's certain coaching
Speaker 2: staffs they know they have to win, so the first
Speaker 2: eight games, nine games are more important to them than
Speaker 2: any other ting the Giants first eight or nine games,
Speaker 2: because if you're two and seven, you're probably getting fired.
Speaker 2: If you're seven and two, you're probably getting an extension.
Speaker 2: The situation that you have with the Colts, that you
Speaker 2: have with the Giants, maybe the Arizona Cardinals. There's certain
Speaker 2: coaching staffs that have been there and now you've got
Speaker 2: to prove yourself. Can you bring in Sam Darnold. He's
Speaker 2: an upgrade over Anthony Richardson. You got to win now.
Speaker 2: This is a place where I thought Aaron Rodgers could
Speaker 2: go they've taken on older quarterbacks, or maybe they've learned
Speaker 2: their lesson. But I thought Aaron Rodgers would be a
Speaker 2: big upgrade. And that's a team that can win. Now,
Speaker 2: got a really good running back. I got Rogers playing
Speaker 2: half of his season in a dome. You can win
Speaker 2: the division, be competitive in the division. You can win
Speaker 2: ten games, and then you're a playoff team. Now, what
Speaker 2: do you do after that year with Aaron Rodgers? That's
Speaker 2: the tricky part. But if I'm a coach trying to
Speaker 2: hold on to my job, you know the Giants coaching staff.
Speaker 2: According to DraftKings, the Giants are tied with the Titans
Speaker 2: of who's going to have the number one pick. Well,
Speaker 2: the Titans have the number one pick, which tells you
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of momentum of the Giants going
Speaker 2: up to get cam Ward. Now, if you're the Giants,
Speaker 2: let's just play this out just a hypothetical. I'm going
Speaker 2: to give you Sam Darnald and you can draft Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: So I got Malik Neighbors, Travis Hunter, Sam Darnald, How
Speaker 2: good am I? Or we're going to trade some first
Speaker 2: round picks, maybe a player, and then we go up
Speaker 2: to get cam Ward, who is not proven and in
Speaker 2: any other draft would probably be the fourth, fifth, sixth
Speaker 2: quarterback ticket. But I get the rookie contract. But you
Speaker 2: got a coaching staff that needs to win now. But
Speaker 2: that's where you can say, if you're the coach, you go,
Speaker 2: you know what, we should go get cam War and
Speaker 2: then you know, well, we need a couple of years
Speaker 2: to develop him. Well, then we'll probably have to keep
Speaker 2: you on coach. But that might be if I put
Speaker 2: it in those terms that Sam Donald's gonna cost you.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna cost you fifty million dollars, but let's
Speaker 2: say cost you forty million dollars a year. Maybe you
Speaker 2: sign him to a three year deal. I get Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: and I got Malik Neighbors, and I got them on
Speaker 2: rookie deals. Okay, now, Sam Donald, kirk Cousins, Aaron Rod,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of I don't know, B B
Speaker 2: minus level quarterback play C plus, although the Giants should
Speaker 2: die for that, you get B minus quarterback play, Like sure, Well,
Speaker 2: what's it say about Minnesota that they're going to stay
Speaker 2: with JJ McCarthy, who got hurt, hasn't played yet and
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, who was the starter with the Giants, the
Speaker 2: backup there at least for now, and they're going to
Speaker 2: let Sam Donald go unless they can work out a deal.
Speaker 2: And I think there's still the possibility of can they
Speaker 2: work out a deal for Sam Donald. And you know,
Speaker 2: Mike Florio Pro Football Talk had some wild speculation here,
Speaker 2: and you know he thought about this, if JJ McCarthy
Speaker 2: would ask out of Minnesota. Now this isn't a report,
Speaker 2: but let's say you bring back Sam Donald on a
Speaker 2: multi year deal. And this is what Mike Florio was
Speaker 2: talking about. If you're JJ McCarthy, what would you do?
Speaker 2: Would you go to front office and say, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: ready to play. Now you were going to make me
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback? Sam Donald was going to be the backup. Now,
Speaker 2: once again, this is just Mike Florio speculating here. But
Speaker 2: if you're JJ McCarthy, you're expecting. I think there was
Speaker 2: a report that he's already been told he's going to
Speaker 2: be the starter next year. I'm like, okay, But Mike
Speaker 2: Florio says, what if they bring back Sam Darnold. I
Speaker 2: haven't heard that, but Mike would be in the know there.
Speaker 2: But that's you know there is. You still have Russell Wilson,
Speaker 2: you still have Justin Fields. You have a situation with
Speaker 2: Shudoor Sanders. Is he worth taking in the top ten,
Speaker 2: top five? If he's there for the Giants at three,
Speaker 2: do you take him cam Ward? It feels like that
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense that it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: yet that there's a downside. Now there will be because
Speaker 2: they're going to put cam Ward under the microscope soon.
Speaker 2: We have so much time. Time is the enemy of prospects,
Speaker 2: big time prospects. Maybe a reach for somebody. Maybe there's
Speaker 2: a question mark time is the enemy because if the
Speaker 2: draft was tomorrow, I'd be curious where should or Sanders
Speaker 2: would go. Oh, the draft is not until the end
Speaker 2: of April, and I'm curious what this time period does
Speaker 2: good or bad to Shoodoor Sanders. All right, Satan will
Speaker 2: come up with the poll question today a little later
Speaker 2: on our good buddy Jim Jackson, Fox Sports, former NBA player,
Speaker 2: a lot to talk to him about, including the big
Speaker 2: matchup with the Knicks and the Lakers coming up tonight.
Speaker 2: I do have over unders here for the Knicks and
Speaker 2: the Lakers scoring wise, um Luca over under tonight, Marvin,
Speaker 2: I'll start with you, twenty eight and a half. All right,
Speaker 2: the Knicks are getting four and a half. Paulie over
Speaker 2: under Luca tonight according to DraftKings thirty and a half,
Speaker 2: Todd twenty seven and a half, Seaton twenty six and
Speaker 2: a half, twenty nine and a half.
Speaker 3: Lebron James over under tonight, Paul twenty six and a half.
Speaker 3: Bloop blop bloop.
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson over under tonight, Seaton twenty five and a half.
Speaker 3: Woop bloop bloo.
Speaker 2: Guys, Okay, here's the tricky one, the big man who
Speaker 2: changed the game. Carl anthorty five and one half should
Speaker 2: be Carl Anthony Towns Marvin.
Speaker 3: Twenty four and a half, Paul slapping the face twenty
Speaker 3: four and a half, twenty five and a.
Speaker 2: Half, Oh Todd nineteen and a half, Seaton forty five
Speaker 2: and one half. It's twenty two and a half, twenty
Speaker 2: two and a half at half.
Speaker 3: I mean it's really like me, which would give him
Speaker 3: forty five Get Michael Steph, you know, doctor j Yeah,
Speaker 3: all the grades who have changed the game. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 3: mau Rushmore right there, Yeah, that's the best.
Speaker 2: All right, Seaton, what's poll question from the first hour?
Speaker 3: H well, we're starting with two actually, uh, what do
Speaker 3: you call it? A garass seal of yard sale or
Speaker 3: a tag saale?
Speaker 4: Starting?
Speaker 3: And then best destination for Sam Dnald? Your four options
Speaker 3: are the Vikings, Raiders, Colts, Giants. Do you guys ever
Speaker 3: play this game of what you envision a guy to
Speaker 3: look like in a uniform?
Speaker 2: And this started for me with Larry Bird. I couldn't
Speaker 2: imagine Larry Bird in a Laker uniform. I could imagine
Speaker 2: Magic a little bit more because he played at Michigan
Speaker 2: State and they wore green, but Larry wearing the Laker gold,
Speaker 2: I just can't see that. Sam Darnald wearing a Giant's uniform.
Speaker 2: If I'm Sam, I don't want to go back to
Speaker 2: where I saw ghosts and you know, the meadowlands. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I want to go back there now.
Speaker 2: He might not have a big opportunity there. Sam Donald
Speaker 2: in a Raiders uniform, Yeah, I can see that. Here's
Speaker 2: one for you.
Speaker 3: Shadoor Sanders in a Saints unit, tasty, sign me up?
Speaker 2: Colorado Colors similar, Yes, Paul easy transition uniform wise, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 3: I could see he's got the like the flair and
Speaker 3: personality to uh, let's sort of lead a city like that.
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 5: That Sunday Night game with the all black Saints uniform
Speaker 5: and the brand new retro Dion Sanders oh ah, Chef's kiss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can see, you can envision there's certain
Speaker 2: players where you go. I could see him in a
Speaker 2: uniform like.
Speaker 3: That, him, Kamara Olave, that sort of like all standing
Speaker 3: there thing. Hen Yeah, dude, Tayo Hill, Yeah, dude, yeah,
Speaker 3: Tayo Hill. Oh sorry, yeah, yeah, Aaron Rodgers in a
Speaker 3: Bears uniform. You couldn't see it, right, You couldn't see it.
Speaker 2: It's like there was a thirty for thirty on the
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy candidates with Peyton Manning and Randy Moss and
Speaker 2: Charles Woodson, and there was an opportunity at least a
Speaker 2: thought that Bill Belichick taking over the Peyton Manning could
Speaker 2: have come out after his junior year. Could you envision
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning in a Jets uniform? But that's what they
Speaker 2: were talking about back then. Yes, Paul, your Saints had
Speaker 2: the number nine pick of the draft. They were five
Speaker 2: and twelve. There are a couple picks after the Raiders.
Speaker 6: What if dot dot shaudor Sanders drops a few.
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on what happens in free agency
Speaker 2: here if they if they are going after somebody but
Speaker 2: don't get somebody now, can you go up and get
Speaker 2: Shadoor Sanders. And you know Tom Brady's role in all
Speaker 2: of this. Now, He's known Shaud Or Sanders a long time.
Speaker 2: You know, Dion brought Tom in to you know, help
Speaker 2: mentor Shadoor Sanders. But the Saints needs something.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I would think if I'm the Saints, I'd get Tyler
Speaker 2: Warren out of Penn State. Then it's a no brainer,
Speaker 2: like that guy can play right now and could be
Speaker 2: an All Pro and a couple of years there. But
Speaker 2: you know, we get fascinated, you know, enticed by what
Speaker 2: is the shiny object, and should or Sanders will be
Speaker 2: a shiny object. And you're still you're starting to see
Speaker 2: even more of this people. It's it's like, hey, it's
Speaker 2: okay to criticize somebody. So then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: more people come forward and start criticizing. That's all it
Speaker 2: took is one anonymous coach saying something about should or Sanders.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, it's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm here, and you know he can't make all the throat.
Speaker 2: You know he's only six to one and whatever. You know,
Speaker 2: he's not fat. It kind of like whoa, that happened quickly.
Speaker 2: Now that will dissipate. He'll do his pro day, He'll
Speaker 2: be great in his interviews, He'll be charismatic. But this
Speaker 2: could be a Dion Sanders backlash from is Dion trying
Speaker 2: to dictate where his son goes? And I'll go back
Speaker 2: to when he joined us at the Super Bowl and
Speaker 2: Dion said he's already started the process of talking to teams.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if he talking to teams about
Speaker 2: you better drafting or teams you better not drafting. Back
Speaker 2: after this.
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Speaker 2: confessionals in sports. If I said NFL deathbed confessional, who
Speaker 2: do you want to hear from to solve a mystery?
Speaker 6: Wow? Boy, I had never really thought about that. For years.
Speaker 6: It was the whole did Frenchy Fukua touch the ball
Speaker 6: before it caramed into the hands of Frank o'harris for
Speaker 6: the immaculate reception? But that was fifty years ago. Nobody
Speaker 6: cares about that anymore. I need to think that through
Speaker 6: a bit more. There's got to be something Brady and
Speaker 6: Belichi related that we'd love to know the answer to,
Speaker 6: and we may never know the answer.
Speaker 2: To Malcolm Butler.
Speaker 6: Possibly there's a good one. What happened with Malcolm Butler?
Speaker 6: They'd have another ring if they had just used Malcolm
Speaker 6: Butler at all in Super Bowl fifty two in Minnesota
Speaker 6: when they lost to the Eagles. That's a good one.
Speaker 2: What do you think happened?
Speaker 6: Something happened that pissed off Bill Belichick to the point
Speaker 6: that he made a personal decision, not a best interest
Speaker 6: to the team decision, and he wanted to send a message.
Speaker 6: He wanted to show Malcolm Butler, whose boss, and ended
Speaker 6: up doing something that he believed would not cost the
Speaker 6: team the game, but that many believe cost the team
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 2: All right, let's look at what's happened so far since
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Biggest surprise so far is what or who?
Speaker 6: Well, based upon the way Travis Kelsey was talking right
Speaker 6: after the Super Bowl, if you're that far down the
Speaker 6: road of retirement and his comments on the New Heights
Speaker 6: podcast just a few days after the Super Bowl, Man Dan,
Speaker 6: it sounded like he was done. It sounded like he
Speaker 6: was walking and he was just coming to terms with it,
Speaker 6: and in a few weeks we'd find out that he
Speaker 6: was moving on. The fact that he so quickly decided
Speaker 6: to come back really surprised me. And I've seen some
Speaker 6: suggestion that he was ill for the Super Bowl. Of course,
Speaker 6: illnesses don't always get disclosed on the injury report, so
Speaker 6: we didn't know he was sick. But if that explains
Speaker 6: why it kind of looked at times like he was
Speaker 6: just going through the motions out there, maybe that maybe
Speaker 6: that helps justify and explain why he feels so determined
Speaker 6: to come back and go out on a higher note.
Speaker 6: Hard to get back to the Super Bowl. But with
Speaker 6: the Chiefs, they get to the ANFC Championship game every year,
Speaker 6: so he may have a chance to walk off into
Speaker 6: the sunset with yet another rank. Yeah, you get.
Speaker 2: Players who chase their tail because you don't want to
Speaker 2: go out that way, But there's only one team that
Speaker 2: wins the Super Bowl. Is he okay with going out
Speaker 2: by playing a really good game in a loss. That's
Speaker 2: what I would be curious about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think you're right, and it's gonna be
Speaker 6: hard for the Chiefs this year. They've got a lot
Speaker 6: of work to do. The gap between them and the
Speaker 6: Eagles was made abundantly clear at the Super Bowl. So
Speaker 6: I think it's a combination of love of the sport
Speaker 6: and look, Dan, you got the rest of your life
Speaker 6: to do whatever you're gonna do next, and we know
Speaker 6: he's gonna do great things. Once you stop playing, it's done,
Speaker 6: it's gone, and it's never coming back unless you're Brett Farv.
Speaker 6: But even then, at some point it ends and it's
Speaker 6: done and it's never coming back. So I can understand
Speaker 6: why he wants to keep doing the thing he loves
Speaker 6: if he feels like he can keep doing it, because
Speaker 6: for the rest of the life his life. Once he retires,
Speaker 6: he won't be doing it.
Speaker 2: Biggest story out of the combine was what, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you mean.
Speaker 6: The thriller in Vanilla Latte. That wasn't that weird when
Speaker 6: that all happened, Like, I was both dismayed by and
Speaker 6: proud of the fact that I actually did reporting to
Speaker 6: find out what happened, why had happened, Who said what
Speaker 6: to whom?
Speaker 2: Okay, give us the background on it, Well.
Speaker 6: It was the whole. Jordan Schultz of Fox Ian Rappaport
Speaker 6: of NFL Media, they had an encounter at a Starbucks
Speaker 6: in Indy, which makes it a great coincidence because Jordan
Speaker 6: Schultz's dad was the CEO of Starbucks as it became
Speaker 6: a worldwide brand, and one guy got in the other
Speaker 6: guy's face. Some words were exchange words we can't say
Speaker 6: on an FCC regulated broadcast, and NFL security was alerted.
Speaker 6: NFL Security investigated. And the thing about the combine is
Speaker 6: every year it's lather, rinse, repeat the same stuff. This
Speaker 6: guy's you know, this guy can't work out, this guy's
Speaker 6: not working out, and then every four or five years
Speaker 6: there's one that pops and this is the one that
Speaker 6: popped because my wife said to me, number one, why
Speaker 6: do you care? And number two, why does anyone else care?
Speaker 6: It's like they just do things like this that are
Speaker 6: so different from the usual NFL news grind and are
Speaker 6: fascinating and bizarre and KOOKI everybody goes nuts for that.
Speaker 3: Have you been confronted by another member of the media
Speaker 3: or a player or GM or coach.
Speaker 6: Oh, I've been confronted verbally by several not people in
Speaker 6: the media per se. Usually it's by text, usually coaches, players, etc.
Speaker 6: It's by text. But I've had I've had an awkward
Speaker 6: encounter or two in the twenty years I've been doing this,
Speaker 6: And I'll leave it at that. Oh, I had come on,
Speaker 6: it's old news, you know. Care's been like nine years ago.
Speaker 6: Dirk Cutter, remember Dirk Cutter, the former Buccaneers coach at
Speaker 6: the league meetings, and I think it was in Florida
Speaker 6: that year. I had asked him a question when I
Speaker 6: interviewed him when he got the job two months earlier,
Speaker 6: and I never heard boo after the fact that he
Speaker 6: was upset, So me, like an idiot, I go bounding
Speaker 6: over to him like a sheep dog. Hey, Dirk, how
Speaker 6: are you? And I got the verbal uppercut about the
Speaker 6: BS question, although he didn't say BS that I asked him,
Speaker 6: and he'll never do another interview with me, and he
Speaker 6: went on and on. Usually I've learned that if you
Speaker 6: just take it, it peters out and then you find
Speaker 6: a way to flip it into something positive. That's the
Speaker 6: one guy who I let him chew on me, and
Speaker 6: then when it was done, I thought, maybe I can
Speaker 6: flip it. No, it didn't flip, and it was never flipped.
Speaker 6: And that's my Dirk Cutter story.
Speaker 2: He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host and
Speaker 2: you can see that program on Peacock preceding hours. The
Speaker 2: wide receiver market here free agency wise, you got DK Metcalf,
Speaker 2: you got well Debo going to the Commanders. You got
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams going to be out there. Got a few
Speaker 2: of these players. Why all of a sudden, this flood
Speaker 2: of the market.
Speaker 6: Well, you've got older players who have contracts that no
Speaker 6: longer match their current skills and abilities and more importantly,
Speaker 6: what their projected skills and abilities are. And DeVante Adams
Speaker 6: is no surprise when he was traded to the Raiders
Speaker 6: three years ago. He did a five year contract with
Speaker 6: two and this is a technical term phony baloney back
Speaker 6: in years that were just aimed at bumping up the average.
Speaker 6: So they said, oh, he got twenty eight million dollars
Speaker 6: a year. Yeah, but the last two years of thirty
Speaker 6: five point six to four million each year. That deal
Speaker 6: was never going to go beyond year three. And if
Speaker 6: he was going to stay with the Raiders, it would
Speaker 6: have been a major redo in restructuring. But when you're
Speaker 6: with the Jets and he's not gonna do a restructuring
Speaker 6: with the Jets, Aaron Rodgers has gone. He was always
Speaker 6: going to be cut, and now he's available. He's not
Speaker 6: gonna get thirty five million a year. He'll get good money.
Speaker 6: He's still got gas in the tank, and he's available
Speaker 6: to anyone who wants to get him. And all the
Speaker 6: Jets have to show for that third round pick is
Speaker 6: eleven games during which they went three and eight, and
Speaker 6: I'm sure they'd love to get that third round pick
Speaker 6: back and have never done that trade.
Speaker 2: What's the market for Sam Darnald?
Speaker 6: Now nobody really knows, because the big question is can
Speaker 6: what Sam Darnald did last year with Kevin O'Connell drawing
Speaker 6: up the plays with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison and TJ.
Speaker 6: Hawkinson catching the passes. Can that be duplicated somewhere else
Speaker 6: or does he revert to the seeing ghosts Sam Donald
Speaker 6: from early in his career that Monday night game when
Speaker 6: he was with the Jets against the Patriots. So if
Speaker 6: you make a major financial investment in Donald and you
Speaker 6: can't replicate what happened in Minnesota, you made a mistake.
Speaker 6: I mean Donald, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 6: had to do with how it ended that Week eighteen
Speaker 6: game that everybody saw. He got the yips at the
Speaker 6: worst possible time, biggest game of his life, and then
Speaker 6: the Vikings didn't show up across the board in the
Speaker 6: playoff game. That's the caveat now, and I think that's
Speaker 6: why the Vikings are still kind of lurking here as
Speaker 6: they figure out. Do we go with Donald where we
Speaker 6: know what the floor is, maybe the ceiling isn't as
Speaker 6: high as we'd like, or do we go with the
Speaker 6: guy that we don't know what he's going to be because
Speaker 6: he hasn't played yet. In JJ McCarthy and I have
Speaker 6: a feeling they're really wrestling internally, people who have been
Speaker 6: dealing with the Vikings come away with the conclusion that
Speaker 6: they don't know who's running the show and calling the shots,
Speaker 6: but they're going to have to make a decision fairly soon.
Speaker 6: They might let Donald go out there and see what's
Speaker 6: available or what's not available, and then maybe whatever they
Speaker 6: have budgeted is kind of a low ball number. Maybe
Speaker 6: that's what he takes and that makes the decision for them.
Speaker 6: But there is some dismay. And if he does like
Speaker 6: a two year deal to stay in Minnesota and the
Speaker 6: Vikings say we'll just do the Aaron Rodgers, Jordan love
Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy sits for three years, I believe that's not
Speaker 6: going to go over well with McCarthy, and the next
Speaker 6: domino could be McCarthy saying I want out.
Speaker 2: Let me give you this scenario. I'd say you're the
Speaker 2: Giants and you have the third pick. You could maybe
Speaker 2: sign Sam Darnald and then take Travis Hunter, or you
Speaker 2: could go up and get cam Ward. Now I got
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors, I'd have Travis Hunter and I have Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2: We're already a whole lot better than we were last year,
Speaker 2: and I don't have to get rid of draft camp
Speaker 2: or I can go up. I got to spend a
Speaker 2: little bit of uh, you know, draft capital to get
Speaker 2: cam Ward and I got a rookie contract here.
Speaker 4: What would you do?
Speaker 6: Well, here's the problem with the Giants. You've got an
Speaker 6: owner who's decided to keep GM, Joe Shane and Brian
Speaker 6: day ball. But the owner also said, I've just about
Speaker 6: run out of patience. So through what prison or decisions
Speaker 6: being made in New York. Is it we just got
Speaker 6: to put something together this year and get to the
Speaker 6: playoffs and we'll worry about twenty twenty six and twenty
Speaker 6: twenty seven when they come, or is it we're trying
Speaker 6: to lay the foundation for a long term contender. And
Speaker 6: this is what happens with dysfunctional teams. And I got
Speaker 6: to give the Giants credit. They've somehow won a couple
Speaker 6: of Super Bowls this century, but by and large they're
Speaker 6: basically the same as the Jets, and there is dysfunction there.
Speaker 6: And the ultimate dysfunction is having coach and GM clearly
Speaker 6: on the hot seat and thus motivated to make short
Speaker 6: term decis decisions, because long term decisions don't help help us.
Speaker 6: If We're not here to see the fruits of them.
Speaker 6: That's the challenge for the organization. The best long term
Speaker 6: approach is stabilized the quarterback position for years to come.
Speaker 6: The worst long term approach is to grab this short
Speaker 6: term shiny object like Aaron Rodgers and try to put
Speaker 6: a playoff run together, and then next year it's like,
Speaker 6: what do we do?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: That's not good for the Giants over the long haul.
Speaker 2: You and Chris Simms talked to Shador Sanders. What four
Speaker 2: days ago, five days ago at the combine? What was
Speaker 2: your takeaway after the conversation?
Speaker 6: Great personality, magnetic. You can see that his dad is
Speaker 6: Deon Sanders, very worldly, kind of mature beyond his years,
Speaker 6: knows how to deal with people very well, a lot
Speaker 6: of emotional intelligence. I was impressed with him, but I
Speaker 6: knew it was going to happen. The chatter's already begun,
Speaker 6: and I think the chatter stems from one very simple fact.
Speaker 6: When we had Deon Sanders at the super I pressed
Speaker 6: him on this question of are you ever interested in
Speaker 6: coaching in the NFL? Because he's given different answers over
Speaker 6: the past couple of years about that, and he told
Speaker 6: us the only way he would ever coach in the
Speaker 6: NFL is if he was coaching his son. That creates
Speaker 6: for some coaches. I think a hesitation to ever sign
Speaker 6: off on your team drafting should ur Sanders because you
Speaker 6: might be signing your own pink slip because Dion ends
Speaker 6: up being the coach of the team that should hear
Speaker 6: Sanders goes to At least that's one of the concerns
Speaker 6: that one of these coaches would have. So I think
Speaker 6: that's where some of this noise is coming from. You've
Speaker 6: got coaches who are thinking, wait a minute, I don't
Speaker 6: want to have Deon Sanders hovering over me if we
Speaker 6: have his son as our quarterback. And I think the
Speaker 6: four D chess that Dion might be playing here. By
Speaker 6: saying what he said, you scare away the coaches of
Speaker 6: the dysfunctional teams, the coaches who would be worried about
Speaker 6: outside noise from Dion, And maybe you engineer a little
Speaker 6: slide down to a team where it is stable, it
Speaker 6: isn't dysfunctional, and the coach is sufficiently secure and confident
Speaker 6: that he's not worried about the possibility that Dion Sanders
Speaker 6: would want to become the coach of the team that
Speaker 6: his son's playing for. So it could work out well
Speaker 6: for Shador. The noise that's going to start, and it's
Speaker 6: already started, it could cause him to drop, but he
Speaker 6: could drop into a good spot, not a team with
Speaker 6: a history of derailing the careers of young quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Paulie and I have a pie to the face bet
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders over under first five and a half picks.
Speaker 6: Wow, I would say at this point he will. And
Speaker 6: I don't know what over under is. I guess it's over.
Speaker 6: I think that his window opens with the Raiders at six.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't you owe us a pie to the face?
Speaker 4: Min?
Speaker 6: I think I owe you a couple?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Thanks, yeah, yeah, And I was hoping it's gotten. I
Speaker 3: know you don't want to hurt the hair, but I mean,
Speaker 3: at some point.
Speaker 6: I don't want to knock off the two pey.
Speaker 2: Your hair looks great. Thank you, just like Tom Brady's
Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, mine's real.
Speaker 6: I don't know about his. Mine's real. My wife says
Speaker 6: from Tom to time, you should just shave your head
Speaker 6: so everyone can see it's not a two pay. I
Speaker 6: am afraid of two things. Number one, it might not
Speaker 6: grow back and number two, Dan, I am afraid that
Speaker 6: my head is misshapen, and I don't want to find
Speaker 6: out along with the rest of the world that it
Speaker 6: is not.
Speaker 2: Everybody looks like Michael Jordan with their head shaved.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen, I think had his head shaved one time
Speaker 2: and I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Are
Speaker 2: you gonna be at the draft in Green Bay?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I've been to the draft since the last time it
Speaker 6: was in New York. It's so much easier to work
Speaker 6: it from home because the only people at the draft
Speaker 6: are the people who run the cards to the to
Speaker 6: the podium. Now the players are there, but it had
Speaker 6: gotten harder and harder to get good access to them
Speaker 6: for interviews and stuff ahead of time. And We'll just
Speaker 6: do zoom interviews with them and I'll do it all
Speaker 6: from here. I go down to the barn and we
Speaker 6: do videos after every pick and it's much more effective here.
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Speaker 2: He is Jim Jackson joining us on the program. Jim,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. How you doing today?
Speaker 4: Thank you? I'm good man.
Speaker 5: Sorry about that man, West Coast time got me all.
Speaker 4: Messed up, man, No worry. Hey, we got a big
Speaker 4: We got a big w last night with the clips.
Speaker 4: I will still celebrate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Harden, James Harden goes for fifty. Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, it was one of those games, excuse me,
Speaker 5: where we didn't know what to expect coming off a
Speaker 5: tough loss against Phoenix up twenty twenty three. Kevin rand
Speaker 5: Brooker kind of did that thing in the third fourth
Speaker 5: quarter and no Kawhi, but James Doug deep man, I
Speaker 5: mean thirty eight plus minutes again and uh, the role
Speaker 5: players played well.
Speaker 4: Bogdanovich really started to fit into a role.
Speaker 5: And it's tough Dan, as you know, trade deadline, integrating
Speaker 5: new faces kind of you know, Drew you Banks is
Speaker 5: in there, Patty Mills, It's it's just it's a little
Speaker 5: bit different, but it was it was a great overall victory,
Speaker 5: needed it for a team that wants to stay above
Speaker 5: that cut line at six for the upcoming playoffs.
Speaker 2: Best duo in the NBA right now is.
Speaker 4: Luca and Lebron, which is which is scary?
Speaker 5: I mean, because Luca is starting to fit in and
Speaker 5: trying to figure it out and Lebron is acquiescing to
Speaker 5: allowing him to now initiate the offense, handle the ball,
Speaker 5: and it's only going may get better. And I think
Speaker 5: the biggest probably beneficiary probably is Jackson Hayes because now
Speaker 5: you have two playmakers that are able to attract defense,
Speaker 5: lobby to the rim, give you some other opportunities. So
Speaker 5: I think that team is in the West because of
Speaker 5: what's happened with Minnesota. I think Memphis is going to
Speaker 5: have some little bit of issues going down the stretch
Speaker 5: that the Lakers put themselves in prime time position to
Speaker 5: be a threat to ok See.
Speaker 2: We were talking about it seems to be open season
Speaker 2: on Lebron. Analyst broadcasters have no problem being critical of Lebron,
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, granted, no social media with
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, but let's say this was reversed. Let's say
Speaker 2: Lebron came before Michael Jordan. Would we be holding on
Speaker 2: to Lebron the way a lot of people hold on
Speaker 2: to Michael that Lebron all time leading scorer, like all
Speaker 2: the numbers that he has, and it Mike comes along
Speaker 2: and win six titles in the first thirteen years. Would
Speaker 2: we be so quick to say Mike is now better
Speaker 2: than Lebron if it was reversed.
Speaker 5: That's a great question because you know the narrative around Lebron.
Speaker 5: It's very interesting because well, I'm gonna say this. I
Speaker 5: think we're critical in today's world on a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff depending on what we like and what we.
Speaker 4: Prefer, and it depends on too.
Speaker 5: It's I think it's it's not only Lebron and the
Speaker 5: basketball side's other things outside of basketball. Okay, the whole
Speaker 5: Miami issue when he chose to go down to Miami
Speaker 5: when it was to cleave back to Cleveland now to
Speaker 5: La all that plays into more than just basketball. Mike
Speaker 5: did the same thing, and we judged on Lebron just
Speaker 5: being with Chicago. Then at the end of the year
Speaker 5: he retired and came back and went to Washington. I
Speaker 5: think we were judged the same kind of way. If
Speaker 5: Lebron had Jordan's mentality back in the day, and Mike
Speaker 5: had Lebron's with regards to playing more like.
Speaker 4: A magic I think we would do that.
Speaker 5: And that's the unfortunate part is that to me, greatness
Speaker 5: only comes along so often. We've been blessed Tom Brady,
Speaker 5: a Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan. Now we see Lebron,
Speaker 5: James and Steph Curry. Guys like this don't come along
Speaker 5: but when they do in today's world. But we did
Speaker 5: it with Mike, though they did it with Mike early
Speaker 5: in his career. They really nitpicked that Mike a lot
Speaker 5: about he's not able to win a championship the way
Speaker 5: he plays.
Speaker 4: Let's not forget that now.
Speaker 5: It wasn't blasted across mainstream news as much because we
Speaker 5: had newspapers. We had talk shows, but not a plethora
Speaker 5: of talk shows radio wise. Sports Center was kind of
Speaker 5: the main entity with regards to how we got our
Speaker 5: information and downloads sports. So he was criticized, but it
Speaker 5: was all relative to that era. Lebron is criticized relative
Speaker 5: to his era, which is social media and all the
Speaker 5: other platforms individually, collectively and as a corporations and that's
Speaker 5: why we get all of this I think backlash for
Speaker 5: or towards him.
Speaker 2: Talking to Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst,
Speaker 2: clips and the Knicks coming up tomorrow night, also USC
Speaker 2: UCLA coming up on Saturday. It's still hard to explain
Speaker 2: Steph Curry because you know, if you never saw him,
Speaker 2: and I would say, there's this guy. Might be six',
Speaker 2: three not necessarily, FAST i don't, know maybe, quick not
Speaker 2: a great, jumper but he's the greatest shooter in the
Speaker 2: history of the. Game like somebody would, go there's no.
Speaker 4: Way no, way no, way no.
Speaker 2: Way it's what's the one thing we should really let's.
Speaker 2: Share you're a younger, player, right what should you focus
Speaker 2: on With Steph? Curry that if you want to be
Speaker 2: able to, shoot not like, him but you want to
Speaker 2: be able to be a really good shooter or get
Speaker 2: your shot.
Speaker 5: Up his, footwork his footwork is phenomenal for how much he,
Speaker 5: moves because it's different when you have the ball in your,
Speaker 5: hand you can, rhythm, dribble get your feet, set create
Speaker 5: some space and. Shoot but how much he, moves whether
Speaker 5: that's in transition and half, court off of, picks so
Speaker 5: is fundamental things to, me, one his footwork in high
Speaker 5: squares his. Body, now he's gotten so good as a.
Speaker 5: Shooter sometimes he can turn his right shoulder and it's
Speaker 5: pointing towards the, rim and a lot of times they
Speaker 5: don't teach you. That but as a, shooter he's become
Speaker 5: so much more comfortable with. That he can get away
Speaker 5: with it where a lot of players. Can now the form,
Speaker 5: release how he uses his, legs that's one, Thing but
Speaker 5: his basic fundamentals of his footwork is. Phenomenal know of
Speaker 5: how he can run, fast gather his, feet get him squared,
Speaker 5: up and then explode into a. Shot to, me that's
Speaker 5: where the basis is. At and to your point, too About,
Speaker 5: steph think about. THIS i think the reason why he
Speaker 5: resonates so well is because he looks like anybody else
Speaker 5: can do it a Lah A Caitlyn. Clark the reason
Speaker 5: Why caitlyn And steph are so much alike is because
Speaker 5: here are smaller, individuals not as.
Speaker 4: Athletic they look like somebody.
Speaker 5: Walking down the street that just picks up a ball
Speaker 5: and goes play rect. League, okay but yet when they
Speaker 5: get on the, court they have this killer. Instinct they
Speaker 5: have something different about. Them and that's not saying that
Speaker 5: if they're the. Best, okay that's not saying that they're the,
Speaker 5: best but that the best at what they, do and
Speaker 5: that residates with everyday people and it's a reason why
Speaker 5: they're so popular and they're really good people. Too So
Speaker 5: steph is again one of my favorites ever to watch
Speaker 5: and add a chance institute when we Played Golden state
Speaker 5: now The clippers at home to kind of just briefly
Speaker 5: talk to him before the game and just set as
Speaker 5: a basketball fan and a former, player how MUCH i
Speaker 5: appreciate what he's brought to the game just from a
Speaker 5: pure basketball, perspective the, fun the love that he has
Speaker 5: and he, shows and to continue to do it as
Speaker 5: long as he, can Because i'm a big fan AND
Speaker 5: i love to watch.
Speaker 2: It final thirty. Seconds you can Have Steph curry's career
Speaker 2: Or Kevin Durant's.
Speaker 4: I'm taking Steps oh, okay, YEAH.
Speaker 2: I mean a little too quick, there.
Speaker 5: No, no because the SCORING i Mean Kevin durant is
Speaker 5: one of my favorite.
Speaker 4: PLAYERS i mean.
Speaker 5: Unbelievable but the Way steph has been able to get
Speaker 5: it done, again two different, people to different, situations two
Speaker 5: different organizations at the beginning. Out maybe if they were
Speaker 5: have kept okay see, together more, championships more, continuity that
Speaker 5: might be a different. Answer but, today What steph has
Speaker 5: been able to do and win with one, team that's
Speaker 5: what you want as a player because that's your legacy
Speaker 5: With Golden state And i'll take that in a.
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Speaker 3: toys all, right you got, it. Brother That's Jim. Jackson