1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Uh. These are some of. 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: Our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well Miles, 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: by an award winning staff writer for Slate whose work 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: focuses on identity and religion, and who has been doing 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: invaluable reporting on what is happening in Israel right now. 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: He's appeared on CNN, n p R, most importantly this show, 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: He's been featured in The New York Post, adwe Awker, 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: the Huffing Post. Please welcome back to the show. Amen, 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: it's my brother. 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: What's happening? Welcome salam Bro mmmmmmmmmm, I know it's I know, man, 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: I know, we were just talking. I was like, I 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: was like, it's been a minute, and I was like, 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: we got to have you back, and I shit, is 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: so fucking horrible wherever you look. And I know, with 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: the work that you do, having such proximity to what's 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: happening in Gaza and the West Bank and everything, I know, 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: it's very difficult. So like, honestly, I really we really 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: appreciate it coming on because it's not easy. 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: But I'm really glad you guys aren't afraid to talk 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: about it. I've been listening to the show and you 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: guys have had some of the best critiques, responses and 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: the most fiery rhetoric. So shouts out to you guys 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: for for keeping it up and for inviting me for real. 30 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: Oh no, it's just you, yeah man. And and again 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: I think it's also important, like we've had you know, 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: like guest so on to speak about what's been going on. 33 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: But I think also one thing we've talked about really 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: consistently is how the media is portraying things and how 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: consent is being manufactured for some really grizzly awful things. 36 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: We want to call it genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, whatever, 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: pick one. So I think, yeah, having your insight today 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: is also going to be really invaluable for not just 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: us but everybody listening. So again, man, I know it's 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, I know how difficult it is to 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: talk about this stuff too, but honestly, we just yeah, 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: we were glad to have you, man. We're glad to 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: have I've got it. I've got one. 44 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: Check, I've got one in the chamber already, So just 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: let me know. First of all, let me answer your 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: first question. I condemned Hamas. Yeah, okay, okay, uh huh 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: oh good. I'm glad you saw that in the dock. 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: But does he condemn Hamas? 49 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: But to condemn them? Okay. Now, it's a. 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Weird because it sounds like I'm coming back and like 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: saying that is a response. 52 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 4: But that was the first thing written in the dock. 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: But do you, sir? However, I'm sorry I haven't said 54 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: anything yet. However, do you, sir, condemn ham what's new 55 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: with you? 56 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: Crazy? 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: It's been crazy watching It's been crazy watching the news because, 58 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 3: you know, the contrary to what most people say, I 59 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: think we still are in the golden age of media. 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: There are still there are so many amazing reporters who 61 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: are doing such amazing work. It's just incredible the kind 62 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: of work that's coming out right now. However, at the 63 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: same time, there's some of the worst work. But anyways, 64 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say is that it's people who 65 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 3: are working journalism now know the game. They know how 66 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: to keep their skepticism. They know how to draw out 67 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: the story in an interesting way. What I can't understand 68 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: is how when it comes to just this one thing, 69 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: whenever it comes to Palestine, everybody forgets all their training. 70 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: It's like we're starting from scratch just now. It just 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: drives me nuts seeing so many people make so many mistakes, 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: taking the Israeli militaries narrative as fact and casting doubt 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: and shadow into anything on the like on the other side, 74 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: regardless of who it's coming from, which to me is like, 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: you guys, see what you're doing, right, but you see 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: it everywhere and it's been driving me nuts. 77 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 78 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, is it a mistake at that? Like is it 79 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: or is it just kind of their marching orders and 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: what they think they have to do like at this point, 81 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, But yeah, it's a fucking nightmare out there. 82 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: Sarah. What is something from your search history that's revealing 83 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: about who you are? 84 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 5: I was doing a deep dive on Suzanne Summers today, Okay, yeah, yeah, 85 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 5: And I don't know you all are probably too young 86 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 5: to remember Three's Company, but it was. 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 2: Hey about it. I agree. 88 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 6: I agree with the sentiment. 89 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 5: Jack Tripper was my first first celebrity crush. Oh John Ritter, Yeah, 90 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 5: and anyway, Suzanne Summers she recently died. Yeah, I mean 91 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 5: she died I think a week ago, or no, a 92 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 5: month ago. She died a month ago, October fifteenth. She 93 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 5: died anyway, So she wrote twenty five books. Did you 94 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 5: know that? 95 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 7: No? 96 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: Wow? I mean I think my knowledge of her went 97 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: from obviously there's an agam do they'll be waiting for you. 98 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: Like I was old enough to watch Three's Company reruns, 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: and then I was like, oh, and then you became 100 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: the thigh Master lady. Right, and those are kind of 101 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: the two like pinnacle or like big standout moments in 102 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: my elder millennial brain. 103 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 5: Right. 104 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: I didn't know she was a prolific author. 105 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 5: She wrote twenty five books. She Leftree's Company and didn't 106 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 5: talk to John Ridder for twenty years because she kind 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 5: of ruined the show because she wanted to be paid 108 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 5: as much as he was being paid on the show 109 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 5: for like the fourth season or fifth season. And then 110 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 5: she had like a follow up sitcom that like called 111 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 5: She's the Sheriff that just was rated forty fourth of 112 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 5: the fifty worst shows ever made. But then she came 113 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 5: back and she was the mom on Step by Step 114 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 5: or one of those like, you know, their Friday whatever shows. 115 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 5: And she was married to her husband for fifty five 116 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 5: years and he's still alive. He's ten years older and 117 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 5: he's still alive. And they had this like really explosive 118 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 5: sex life like into like their seventies, Like they were 119 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 5: having sex multiple times a day. And I'm like, I 120 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 5: just I found out a lot about Suzanne Summers. 121 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: That's yeah. I mean she always had a bit of, 122 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, sex appeal to her, so I guess it 123 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: doesn't quite strike me as surprising, but yeah, it's good 124 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: to have like goals to be like you can have 125 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: sex multiple times a day in your seventies. 126 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 4: Truly to your body break. 127 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Like were her books like sort of memoirs 128 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: or was she also like was she getting into like 129 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: kind of interesting niche stuff. 130 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 5: Her first book was a book of poetry, and the 131 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 5: first time she did Late Night was talking about her poetry, 132 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 5: her book of poetry, and in the book of poetry 133 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 5: is about touch and how important it is to touch people. 134 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 5: And she got like Johnny Carson and edwam Manta hug 135 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 5: each other because they never She's like, you guys never 136 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 5: touch each other, and like they touched each other for 137 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 5: like the first time. It was like really funny. And 138 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 5: then she wrote a few memoirs and she wrote like 139 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 5: self help books. She had some weird medical theories that 140 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 5: were like questionable. 141 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm just reading one right now that she 142 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: thinks fluoride may have caused Matt shootings, right, or stuff 143 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 2: in households. Okay, you know we can't. We can't bath 144 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: fear reviewed. Yeah. 145 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, but she did get breast cancer twenty two years ago, 146 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 5: and very aggressive breast cancer, and she survived for twenty 147 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 5: two years, so you know it worked. Maybe it works 148 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 5: for her, you know. 149 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wow, Suzanne, you know what a legend? 150 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: What a legend? Were you a family or something? 151 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 5: Oh? 152 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: No, go ahead, what were you going to say? Do 153 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: you want to know what I was? Yeah, you're gonna 154 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: shame yourself in front of everyone. Go ahead, I'm not 155 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: shaming myself. I'm telling you a real story is that 156 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: I knew that she was a prolific writer because in 157 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: school and like elementary school used to do something called 158 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: summer's reading, where each summer we would read Suzanne summer 159 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: books exclusively. Grid So whatever you were going to say, 160 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: now you can say it. 161 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: Wow, are hysterical, and I hope that you will start 162 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: start a movement across elementary schools. I think summer reading 163 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 5: needs to be a thing now. 164 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: Summer Yeah, absolutely. You have all these kids talking about like, 165 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: is there a floor ride in our water? Teacher, we 166 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: need to talk about this. I read something very interesting. 167 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 5: I'm never gonna brush my teeth again. 168 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, damn you, Summers. I don't even know what. Yeah, 169 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was gonna say. Blake, you 170 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: completely neuralized me with that, with that amazing top tier joke, Jackie, 171 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: what's something you think is overrated? 172 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 8: Okay, so this is gonna split the room. And I'm 173 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 8: a little nervous to say this out loud, but Killers 174 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 8: of the Flower. 175 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: Moon, Okay, go ahead. Yeah. I don't know if you guys. 176 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 9: Have you guys seen it yet? 177 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: By the way, I have not. No, I've I've been 178 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: actually wait, i've. When I saw it, I was like, 179 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: let me start seeing some First Nations indigenous people comment 180 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: on it, because I can definitely see the Scorsese vibes 181 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: and people are like, oh my god, this white guy, 182 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: what did he go there, I'm like, who the fuck's 183 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: being centered in the one I saw? Whoever the language 184 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: consultant was on the red carpet started dropping some knowledge, 185 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: but not fully you know, fucking shit up. I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, 186 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: this is this is obviously going to be flawed in 187 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: some level. Right. Yeah. 188 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 8: So, just like a bit of background, I actually worked 189 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 8: for the Osage Nation back in my urban planning days. 190 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 8: Like I'm focused more on comedy now, but I worked 191 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 8: as an urban planner. I have a master's in that, 192 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 8: and I was working out there, and so I got 193 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 8: a chance to see this story come to life in 194 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 8: the community and got a chance to like really understand 195 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 8: that this is still very much an open wound, still 196 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 8: very much a very tragic, awful thing that's happened to 197 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 8: the community. And so I knew once they started announcing like, oh, 198 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 8: Martin Scorsese's going to do this and Leonardo Kapper. 199 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 9: I was like, oh, how are they? 200 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 8: I was like, let's hope they're handling it with reverence 201 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 8: because this is a big one. And so I was 202 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 8: already just kind of curious how it was all going 203 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 8: to play out. But I will say they did consult 204 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 8: left and right with community, and so that's huge, the 205 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 8: fact that they were working with the tribe and working 206 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 8: with tribal members just to put the story together. But 207 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 8: that said, it is about the reign of terror and 208 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 8: murder of O Sage people and for their head rights. 209 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 8: A head right essentially is basically it's oil money. And 210 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 8: so people were coming in and so I guess there's 211 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 8: a lot of rampant violence essentially, and going in and 212 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 8: watching three and a half hours of that as a 213 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 8: native person not the business for me. I was angry. 214 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 8: I was very frustrated. And I will say, Leonardo DiCaprio's character, 215 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 8: this is actually the hot take you were talking about 216 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 8: on the red carpet with the Osage Consultant. I want 217 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 8: to pull his name up in a second, because we 218 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 8: got to give him credit for what he said. But 219 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 8: it just so much centered Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and we 220 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 8: could see him wrestling with what he was doing, which 221 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 8: was part of a murder plot centered on this one 222 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 8: very specific family, and I'm like, why are we giving 223 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 8: him this multi dimensional approach? Yes, his name's Christopher Cote 224 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 8: and that's the Osage consultant, and I just felt like 225 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 8: it gave him a lot of texture, and I'm like, 226 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 8: what about the Native people in this? 227 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 7: You know? 228 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 9: And I didn't. 229 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 8: I would love to see Molly's character have a little 230 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 8: bit more nuance and and I just I wanted something different. 231 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 8: But again, I will say, I do think it's important 232 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 8: to watch the film because there's a lot of people 233 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 8: who never heard about the story, who know nothing about it. 234 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 8: And this was the first ever FBI investigation, you know 235 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 8: what I mean, So like this exactly. And so I 236 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 8: think that the acting is amazing. It's it's amazing acting. 237 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 8: The set, like the set design, like you're in there, 238 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 8: they got flies going around, and I'm like in the theater, 239 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 8: like you know, like they really put you in it, right, 240 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 8: they put you in it. And so I really think 241 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 8: that's that's great and lovely and wonderful. But yeah, it 242 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 8: was just really hard for me to sit there and 243 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 8: watch three and a half hours of violence against state 244 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 8: of people. And so but here's the ultimate thing. So 245 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 8: we're putting a spotlight on something that happened a long 246 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 8: time ago, lots of people stealing head rights and from 247 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 8: tribal peoples. 248 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 9: But like, what do we do next? Like what comes 249 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 9: after this? 250 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 8: And I think that's the question that I have, and 251 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 8: that's not necessarily a question for the tribe or the 252 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 8: question for the film crew, but like Leo made a 253 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 8: fat check on this one. Does he contribute some of 254 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 8: that back to the community so they can get their 255 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 8: head rights and lands back? I mean, like, that's that's 256 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 8: what I'm just like, I want to see what happens next. 257 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 8: And I hate to say it, but I don't know 258 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 8: if this is gonna, you know, be a catalyst for 259 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 8: other bigger questions about lots of people, because this is 260 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 8: this is one thing that we know about. This is 261 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 8: one investigation, but there was all kind of crazy shit 262 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 8: happening out there at that time, with people coming in 263 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 8: and stealing lands and stealing head rights directly from tribal 264 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 8: members and in scrupulous ways and violent ways. So anyway, 265 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 8: that's where I'm like, I think, as a piece, it's 266 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 8: important for people to have watched it, But if your. 267 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 9: Native, like, take your time. You don't need to see 268 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 9: it right away. 269 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 8: Schedule a therapy session in advance and after, you know, 270 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 8: like you just got to really be there to support 271 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 8: yourself because it's a heavy one. 272 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 9: It's so heavy. 273 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are those films that are made for audiences 274 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: that like, You're like, that's important for them, understand, But 275 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: if you come from that community, I mean, it's like 276 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: that's why man, like Twelve Years of Slave and certain 277 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: movies like that. I'm like, bro, I mean like, if 278 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: you need to see it, go ahead. Like I don't need. 279 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: I don't need to be convinced or know even more 280 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: or a depiction of it. But I get it because everyone, 281 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: you know, we grapple with our own personal histories in 282 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 2: our own ways. But yeah, if like Leonardo DiCaprio, I 283 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: and out here on some like land back shit, then 284 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: what's up? You know what I mean? 285 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 10: Yeah, that was my main concern when starting to see 286 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 10: the movie being promoted. You know, the audience reaction of 287 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 10: the trailers was immediately, wow, that looks beautiful, Wow, that 288 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 10: looks great. And I saw Martin Scorsese, I didn't know 289 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 10: much about the film, and then I was like, this 290 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 10: seems like this could be very delicate and hard to 291 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 10: pull off for a white man in his eighties. 292 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: I believe. 293 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 10: And I and the entire time as I was hearing 294 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 10: the reaction to the film and how the hype build up, 295 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 10: I was like, why isn't there any criticism? 296 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: I was like, is it really that good? 297 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 10: Did he really handle it that carefully and with that 298 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 10: much depth and standing? And I'm hearing that it's like 299 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 10: kind of but not as much as you'd hope. Is 300 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 10: that I don't want to put words in your mouth, Jackie? 301 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: Is that I mean? I guess, Oh, sorry, go ahead, No, 302 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: I'm just saying. Or it feels like it's just inherently 303 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: hard to make a movie like this, yeah and pull 304 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: it off in the way that you need to, like 305 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: it's yeah, right, yeah, but so does that? 306 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 10: I guess my I guess my misgiving with is like 307 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 10: should was he the best person to do it? 308 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: Or? 309 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 10: I guess because my whole, my whole reaction to it 310 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 10: when I first saw I was like, really, Martin Scorsese 311 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 10: and that that was That was when I guess. I 312 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 10: was like the Irishman fine, but this felt that different 313 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 10: for me, and I was like, I wasn't as excited 314 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 10: as I thought the hype was, and I was questioning, 315 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 10: like why I wasn't getting there right? 316 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 9: I mean? 317 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 8: So, so it's actually based on a book called Killers 318 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 8: of the Flower Moon by David Grant, who's a non 319 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 8: native person who writes about the Osage murders and the 320 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 8: birth of the FBI. But so so oh yeah, so 321 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 8: this essentially is a film based off of the book. 322 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 8: So I think in that way a lot of I 323 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 8: didn't read the book, I'll tell you that, But again, 324 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 8: I'm not like jumping into reading about these things myself. 325 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 8: But I have quite a few friends who read it 326 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 8: and they were like, okay, like it was definitely a 327 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 8: little bit more mystery oriented in the book, according to 328 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 8: you know, my friend's assessment of reading it. But yeah, 329 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 8: they were like, yeah, I think it did sort of 330 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 8: a good job of laying out what happened in the book. 331 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 8: But at the same time, this, like I said, this 332 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 8: is a very heavy topic for this very real community 333 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 8: that's living with this right now. And so I think 334 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 8: that's the piece of it where I don't know if 335 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 8: I'm just naive, but I was like, look, this is 336 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 8: this is Hollywood. We can we have some creative license. 337 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 8: Like I thought that the murders might be like not 338 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 8: so in your face, Like I felt like maybe, and 339 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 8: I felt like maybe there's some creative interpretation of what 340 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,479 Speaker 8: happened to inject more agency and power into the native perspective, 341 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 8: because that's what I would do if I had. 342 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 9: An opportunity to do it right, I'd be. 343 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 8: Like, all right, here's a story, but here's a story 344 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 8: I want to tell about this story, you know, And 345 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 8: so I think, like I guess I was silly to 346 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 8: think maybe it wouldn't be so in your face. And 347 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 8: then the opening scene, like a couple of moments into 348 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 8: the opening scene, we see our first murder, and I'm like, aha, 349 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 8: it was just so real and it was like literally 350 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 8: the people were gasping in the audience. 351 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: Okay, good, you know, and so you said that, yeah. 352 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, so but I get it, like I think probably, 353 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 8: And I haven't read any of their sort of the film, 354 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 8: the directors, and I haven't read any of what they've 355 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 8: said in response to any of some of the criticism 356 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 8: that's coming out, but I'm sure they're like, we want 357 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 8: it to be real, we want it to be in 358 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 8: your face because we don't want to hide the horrors 359 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 8: of what this was simultaneously. 360 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 9: If that's your goal, then I'm gonna recommend dat if people. 361 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: Do not watch. 362 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 8: You know, anyone who's been from a community that has 363 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 8: been targeted and oppressed in a very violent, awful way. 364 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 8: That's where I'm like, ooh, I I just just be prepared, basically. 365 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 8: And Lily Gladstone, who's the amazing actor who plays Molly, 366 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 8: she even said because unfortunately, because of SAG and because 367 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 8: of the SAG after strike, wasn't even able to promote 368 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 8: or say much about it. And so finally once the 369 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 8: strike was lifted and all that, Lily came forward and said, like, 370 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 8: please take care of yourselves because this is a heavy one. 371 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 8: And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of the vibe we 372 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 8: should have gone in with. But unfortunately, because of the strike, 373 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 8: no one was able to say much, you know. So 374 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 8: and I watched it like I had an advanced screening 375 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 8: and so like I saw it with a lot of 376 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 8: people like well before it came out, and so you know. Anyway, 377 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 8: So also I think it's a little overrated, and I 378 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 8: do think that people who don't know about the story 379 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 8: should absolutely watch it. And again, amazing acting. And I 380 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 8: do hope that Lily Gladstone gets a knom like she 381 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 8: has to, like she fucking killed it, and she people 382 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 8: might recognize her from Reservation Dogs. She plays the anti 383 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 8: who's in prison, so and I can't remember her name 384 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 8: right now. I'm sorry, but anyway, killer acting, a lot 385 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 8: of amazing acting. 386 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: It was a good nuanced take. I like that. Yeah, 387 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: you know, you just split the room because we didn't 388 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: see it. 389 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 8: I want you guys to watch it, and we got 390 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 8: a degree. I want to watch it, please, and let's 391 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 8: debrief this. 392 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 10: You need to watch it. Absolutely. I was on the fence. 393 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 10: And now the fact that you were like, no, it's 394 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 10: it's essential. You're just gonna need to take care of yourself. 395 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 10: That that yeah, over the edge. 396 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's hard I think in general, Yeah, like 397 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: to see just that kind of untethered violence towards marginalized people, 398 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: that is that goes unpunished. It's it's hard to watch 399 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: that over and over and over. 400 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 8: And then it's like and then Native women on top 401 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 8: of that, like we already have, like folks are familiar 402 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 8: with mm I W murdered Indigenous women, so this is 403 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 8: nothing new and it's just really hard to stomach. And 404 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 8: you know, and also it's three and a half hours long, 405 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 8: so do not drink anything before you go in. 406 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, or wear a diaper, you know, yeah, you gotta do. 407 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 9: You know, there's no there's no intermission, it's just NonStop. 408 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is something you think is underrated? 409 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 7: I guess I'm respecting other people's opinions. Like if again, 410 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 7: at the sake of sounding corny, I'm just like, I 411 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 7: think I'm so overwhelmed with the news right now and 412 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 7: like watching people that I've known for a long time 413 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 7: and realizing that their belief system is rooted in straight 414 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 7: up ignorance, you know, like straight up superiority, right, you know, 415 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 7: and people aren't just allowed to be and you know 416 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 7: that can also the thing I hate about like vague 417 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 7: inspirational anything inspirational quotes is that they can be used 418 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 7: by anyone. Sure, that's right, because even if I'm just like, oh, 419 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 7: it's respecting people's opinions, people will be like, well, why 420 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 7: don't you respect us bioness opinions? Like that is just 421 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 7: white supremacy. Can't the fucked here? I do not respect 422 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 7: anybody who is into that ship. So yeah, I guess 423 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 7: just you know, what what are we doing? 424 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 4: Guys? 425 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 7: That's where I'm asking, That's what's that's my underwrite or 426 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 7: over what did you ask me? 427 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: What are we doing? I know it feels like the 428 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: Twilight Zone. Are you all really advocating for ethnic cleansing? 429 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: So casually yes they are, and you're like, god, damn, 430 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. And that's the thing. I'm really there 431 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: are people who like, I'm really curious if this you know, 432 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: right now, there's a lot of focus on like the 433 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: hostage like when they when will they free the hostages? Sure, 434 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: and seeing how that plays out, what happens after that 435 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 2: is achieved, like what is going to be the next 436 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: goalpost after that if it happens, Because I just feel 437 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: like there's there's clearly, like you see people like there 438 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: is that Israel Solidarity rally and that was really just 439 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: a rally to maintain the status quo, you know what 440 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: I mean, Just like we need to put visual pressure 441 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 2: on this administration to not dare call for a ceasefire. 442 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: Because even when Van Jones's whack ass was up there, 443 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: like he tried to say something about piece, like people 444 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: were starting to chant like no ceasefire and shit, I'm 445 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: just like, what is where? I know what y'all not saying, 446 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: but I'm curious what the rhetoric will be once we 447 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: get past this point in time when and and tens 448 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: of thousands of people are left dead. It's just h yeah, 449 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 2: it's mind blowing. Like we've been every week. I feel 450 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: like we're always saying some version of like I can 451 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: honestly like I don't know where the fuck I'm at, Like. 452 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 9: What what are we doing, y'all? 453 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: What are we doing? And the people who are like 454 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: out there, like you know, blocking the roads to raytheon 455 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: and ship shall bless y'all, you know what I mean? 456 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: Like that's yes, this. 457 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 7: Morning, the bay bridge is closed off, and that's should 458 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 7: I not say this morning? Does that matter? 459 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: Doesn't? 460 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 9: Okay, God bless those people. 461 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody, all. 462 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 4: Right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back 463 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 4: and get into the news. 464 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back. 465 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: We are, And since October seventh, we've been we've been 466 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: talking about the perplexing way the media has been has 467 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: been covering this, the discounting to the lives of Palastian people, 468 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: innocent innocent Palestinian people and children, but just generally just 469 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: the rules of engagement seem to have changed kind of 470 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: in the in the mainstream media. But aiman you know, 471 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: you are seeing seeing this happening, and you know, as 472 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: a member of the media, like covering it. I'm just 473 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: curious to get your perspective on like what what what 474 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: has been happening? What are you seeing behind the scenes, 475 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: And then like how is that affecting how we're hearing 476 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: about or not hearing about what's happening in Israel? 477 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 478 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 3: Man, No, this is a media literacy is everything these days, 479 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: because it's equally important to like create good journalism. Is 480 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 3: it just for the audience to know how to read 481 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 3: and interpret like good journalism? So what I mean is 482 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: this right? I'm really really upset by the way that 483 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 3: I have like younger so of my like my wife's 484 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: siblings are like much younger than she is. So I 485 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: have one that just graduated high school, another one who's 486 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: in college, and you know, they get all of their 487 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: news from social media. They only know what's going on 488 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: through TikTok and through Instagram. And I feel like a 489 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: lot of people don't really know how to distinguish between 490 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: people just posting things opinion news clips of commentators from 491 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: the actual journalism, which are like first hand accounts people 492 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: on the ground doing journalism. 493 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: And it's like. 494 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: Equivocating between being like an activist talking about what's happening 495 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: and being a journalist and trying to report the facts 496 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 3: as they are has been driving me nuts. So there's 497 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: two things happening when we think about how the media 498 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: has been like covering this. On the one hand, I'm 499 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 3: seeing so much misinformation and disinformation spreading like crazy z 500 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 3: on social media. And because everybody's in their own little 501 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: social media bubble, what people on either side or you know, 502 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 3: and in this case there's a lot more than just 503 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: two sides. But anybody who's consuming media on social media 504 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 3: right now are getting just like this fire hose of information, 505 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: and some of it's real and some of it's not, 506 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 3: and some of it's made up, and some of it's 507 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: like from ten years ago repackaged to look like it 508 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: was just show yesterday, right. And so you have people 509 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: who are Zionist and sympathetic with you know, the IDF 510 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 3: and what they're doing right now to secure Israel who 511 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 3: are like sharing these videos of like people in body 512 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: bags who are wrapped in the white like we've been 513 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: seeing a lot from Gaza who are getting up to 514 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: check their phones, you know, because it's like actually a 515 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 3: clip from a protest in Lebanon. 516 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: You know, or something like that. But that clip is being. 517 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: Repackaged and shared as you know, evidence of a mess 518 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: making up casualties and that the IDEF is pure hearted 519 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: and pure intention. But on the other end, there was 520 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: a viral clip that went viral maybe two days ago 521 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 3: that supposedly showed like Apache helicopters shooting Israelis who were 522 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: fleeing from their lives when the MS came in on 523 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: those paragliders at the at the music festival, which is 524 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: also like you know, repackaged. I think it was from 525 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: like the two or three days afterwards when that clip, 526 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: when those clips were shot and published by the IDF 527 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: showing their attack helicopters attacking militants who were trying to 528 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: either flee or take more ground than in Israel. And 529 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: so those are two examples. 530 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: But they were being. 531 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: Passage to say that this was Israel shooting, right. 532 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: They were saying. 533 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason why the casualties numbers were so high 534 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: is because the Israelis were also shooting everybody. Yeah, but 535 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 3: there's also you know, I should also cavey out there. 536 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: There is like a few kind there's a few eyewitness 537 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 3: testimonies of survivors in the Kabbutz who talked about how 538 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: they were when they were being taken hostage, that Israeli 539 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: soldiers showed up and just started spring bullets and his 540 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: own people. This is that when in his testimony you 541 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: can read it about it on Harriet's But at the 542 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: same time, the role that the journalist has to play 543 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: is to find primary sources and report it out. And 544 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 3: the way that so many people at prominent outlets that 545 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: have a humongous responsibility and outside the responsibility to tell 546 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 3: the truth in this particular war where information like this 547 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: is kind of just going crazy. This flying over our 548 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 3: heads has been catastrophic. A good example is right after 549 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 3: the beginning of the war is the Palestinian ambassador for 550 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: the PA for London, was for England, was being interviewed 551 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: by the BBC and he just talked about how he 552 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: lost like seven family members in an Israeli bombardment. And 553 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 3: this guy, you can tell, was being super stoic. He 554 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: looked like he was just crying because he just found 555 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 3: this out and he's on the news ready to talk 556 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 3: about what's happening, and the presenter asked him the condemned 557 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 3: ha mess like immediately after he shared that he lost 558 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: seven family members. Yea, And this callousness goes beyond what 559 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: a reporter ought to do. You know, we should be 560 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: asking people about what they see, what they feel, trying 561 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 3: to get primary sources to tell us something about what's 562 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 3: happening in front of them. Asking somebody who has a 563 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: wealth of knowledge about being an ambassador for the PA, 564 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: not ha Mess, which is PA's there. They run the 565 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 3: West Bank, Hames Rise, the Gosam. This person is an 566 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 3: ambassador for them, so he he's also lost family to 567 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: the bombardoment. He's in a unique position to talk about 568 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: what's happening from his perspective. 569 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: But this person. 570 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: Who was interviewing him, this journalist, was asking about something 571 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: that he's disconnected to a and was trying to make 572 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: a moral argument with this person, And that to me 573 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: felt like, I don't know, I was disappointed. I was like, 574 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 3: you know how to do this, Like this is your job. 575 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: You don't have any problems doing this with any other subject. 576 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: Why is it when we come to talking about Palestine 577 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 3: and talking to Palestinians, we skip the part where we're 578 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 3: supposed to interrogate how they're experiencing the world, and we 579 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 3: skip to, well, how do we get that, how do 580 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: we hold them accountable for what the other side is saying? 581 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: You don't see that when it comes to those same 582 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: people interviewing Israeli ambassadors or Israeli prime ministers. When they 583 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: talk to their own people, they say, we are going 584 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 3: to flatten Palestine, we are going to eradicate Hames and 585 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: all of its supporters, and they use a lot of 586 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 3: this genocidal rhetoric, and they talk about having a second Nekba. 587 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: Ministers in the current Israeli government talk this way, but 588 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: when they come on to do these interviews, they ask them, well, 589 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: where were you on October seventh? How are you affected 590 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: by this tragedy? Which are you know? I'm not here 591 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: to browbeat these people for doing their job, because those 592 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: are good questions to ask people who are going through 593 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: this and that suffering is real. But where is that 594 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: when we're talking to Palestinian sources? Just today, the New 595 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: York Times put out and their incredible podcast, The Daily 596 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 3: not as good as the dailies like Gus, but. 597 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: You know, if you have extra time, you can probat artists. 598 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 4: And a lot of people might think they can. First, 599 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 4: we can't. 600 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 3: First, thanks, I was gonna say I was gonna make 601 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: that point, but you know they were. They did this 602 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: whole episode where they talked to God, to gods and doctors, 603 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: doctors who are in these hospitals who are operating, and 604 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: the host asked one of them, well, the IDF is 605 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: saying that Hamas is doing X y Z in. 606 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: These hospitals, like what are you seeing? 607 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: Which is like a good question to ask, But the 608 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: people who are just being constantly asked to take these 609 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: political arguments that one side is making in it and 610 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: trying to rationalize them and trying to breathe air into 611 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: them and give oxygen to them. The guy had a meltdown. Man, 612 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: he freaked out. He was like, Yo, we are having 613 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: to choose which kids die and which kids live. We 614 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: don't have enough resources to give kids who need amputations 615 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: any kind of anesthesia, so they are awake and while 616 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: we're hacking off their body parts, like you know, the trauma. 617 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: And this guy's voice when he was like, why the 618 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: hell are you asking me about Hamez right now? Was 619 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: I think was incredibly emblematic of the what we've done 620 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 3: to these people, you know, by flattening them as being 621 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: like this response to Hamez. These people are people, man, 622 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: So I would love to see the media make a 623 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: better effort at exercising just basic journalism by asking people 624 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 3: about what they see and where they're at, versus trying 625 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: to turn everything into a back and forth. 626 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: Or its proa or they're propagandizing them in real time. 627 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: You want to talk about like Hames, there's HAMESZ spokespeople 628 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: who are giving interviews like you can do that piece 629 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: if you want to talk to them and be like, well, 630 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: we heard about you know, the fuel being withheld from 631 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: x y Z. What do you have to say to that? 632 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 7: You know? 633 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: But these people who are on the ground, these doctors 634 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: who have to sleep in operating rooms, who can't leave 635 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: because the flood of people who need help is is 636 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: just constant. The people who have brought their own families 637 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: to hide in these hospitals too. I mean, there are 638 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: thousands of people in these hospitals and you can just 639 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: imagine the chaos. By opening this window and talking to 640 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: these people and just asking them about like Hames just 641 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: it just drove me nuts, Like you would never see that. 642 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: You would never see somebody talking to somebody hiding in 643 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: their escape room in the Kibbutz, you know when that 644 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: was happening, and if if the media were able to 645 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 3: get them on the phone, you would never imagine them 646 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: being like, well, what do you think about Natan? Yeah, 647 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: who's saying the settlements are about. 648 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 11: You know, the risk he's putting y'all at risk? Right, 649 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 11: Because I feel like you're saying a lot of them 650 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 11: would say, yeah, hell yes he is. Like you know 651 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 11: a lot of people feel like Netya, who's policies are 652 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 11: not popular, Like he's fucking incredibly far right and fascist, 653 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 11: and like if they were willing to ask those fucking questions, 654 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 11: I feel like that would also be well. 655 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: It just kind of leaves it leaves out this not 656 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: even elephant in the room. The biggest dimension of this 657 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: is oppression. Yeah, And to just skirt by them, be like, 658 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: well you condemn Hamas, right, Like, let's just keep let's 659 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: let's let's keep reinforcing. Because I see this so much 660 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: in the rhetoric of people who are defending what the 661 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: IDF is doing in the Israeli government, of keeping the 662 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: focus on Hamas, about being like free these people from 663 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: Hamas and like that's what it is, and rather than 664 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: really like widening out the focus here to really understand 665 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: all the dimensions of it. Because to your point, like 666 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: when someone is bringing up these facts that would that is, 667 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: you know, meant to tell a very human story about 668 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: Palestinian people. To to then bring it to what about 669 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: hamas completely just takes the wind out of that take 670 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: or or what the point someone's trying to make to 671 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: just make it purely about right? Right? There is that, 672 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 2: but what about this other thing that we can agree 673 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: is bad? Let's talk about the bad thing, because I 674 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: don't want to keep talking about how innocent people are 675 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: being brutalized through no fault of their own. And I 676 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: think that's that's also been really hard to watch too totally. 677 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 3: And what drives me nuts is that these are like allegations, 678 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 3: right there's been no proof put forth by the Israeli government, 679 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: but there's just not enough scrutiny to sort of just say, okay, well, 680 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: the Israeli government is saying this is that true? Like 681 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: we we almost I've seen too many media outlets and 682 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 3: journalists skipping that step and going straight to okay, well, 683 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 3: we need to now ask the other side with this 684 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 3: allegation is being made of to defend themselves for it. 685 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: When this out there, I mean, we need to see 686 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 3: proof man before before anything else. This this idea about copaganda, right, 687 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: this idea that it came about after the popular Black 688 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: Lives Matter uprisings across the country, after George Floyd was killed, 689 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: where it was obvious that the police when they issue statements, 690 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have suddenly realized that 691 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: they have they are incentivized to lie, and that you 692 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: really that first like that first account that they gave was, well, 693 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: he was on drugs and he was attacking us, and 694 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: you know, he was fighting back and all this stuff 695 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 3: that after you see the clips, you know it's not 696 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: even close to being true, and you know, this is 697 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: I feel like there's overlaps here. And I think part 698 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: of the lesson that we learned there in journalism and 699 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 3: in people who are consuming media is that, you know, 700 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: the police are incentivized to protect their own skin. I 701 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 3: wish I could see more of that when we're looking 702 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 3: about Palestine. This idea that Israel has a long track record, 703 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 3: not as Israel government. I gotta be specific, because israelis 704 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,959 Speaker 3: are as diverse as anyplace else in the world. They 705 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: Israeli government has a long track record of lying. We 706 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 3: saw when they killed the journalist true Uckiley. We saw 707 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 3: it when they killed those four boys, those four preteens 708 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: on the beach with warship. We saw that with There's 709 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 3: like so many examples man of like them denying that 710 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 3: they did something when they're doing it. So I would 711 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 3: love to see the same amount of scrutiny being like, well, 712 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 3: you're making these claims, we need to see proof or 713 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 3: we need to hold out to see like what everybody 714 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: else is saying. Right, Uh, yeah, it feels like we're 715 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 3: so eager to take this narrative and put it out. 716 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: Is there like a dimension because like we talk about 717 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 2: this all the time, like how especially in American media, 718 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 2: like there's people can't like grapple with white supremacy or 719 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: systemic oppression, and journalists can't. And a lot of people 720 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: talk about how like what it what it takes to 721 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 2: actually get to a certain newsroom and the and like 722 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 2: what the culture is of a specific outlet that sort 723 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: of self filters in a way that you're only going 724 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: to get people who are kind of know how to 725 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: like read from the same book when that time comes. 726 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: Are you like do you see it as a dimension 727 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: of just sort of like these ingrained sort of like 728 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: just the lack of American curiosity about like honestly reporting 729 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 2: about imperialism or is it like other you know, because 730 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 2: we see also like these like McCarthy I type activities 731 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: that are happening where people if they deign to speak 732 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: out about what's happening that they are people are coming 733 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: for their careers and things like that. How do you 734 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: see like what like is it bad habits, is it 735 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: external factors? Is it a combination of things? Like how 736 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: do you kind of see like the environment that people 737 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 2: are operating in when they just take the word of 738 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 2: an IDF command or be like Okay that's what they said. 739 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: Okay print that without evidence and we'll just run to that. 740 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 7: Yeah. 741 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 3: I mean it breaks my fucking heart. 742 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: Man. 743 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 3: I've been trying to to like not cry all day 744 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 3: and I'm like fighting it back now because you're what 745 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 3: you said about the lack of curiosity. Really it like 746 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 3: hit something right on my heart, dude, because that's what 747 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 3: it is. It is, man, It's it's this basic, this 748 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: basic reflex that's maybe inside me because I have Arab 749 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: heritage or I don't know what it is, man, but like, 750 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 3: I cannot, for the life of me understand why there's 751 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: not this curiosity where people are just satisfied with it, 752 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 3: being like it's a religious war and so they're responding 753 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 3: to their religion, and so it makes sense that they 754 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: want to eliminate just Jewish people, and they use that 755 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 3: as a way to just justify making claims like what's 756 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 3: made what's on the on the Congress floor recently, that 757 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 3: there is no such thing as a Palestinian. 758 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 2: Civilian, right, right. 759 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 3: It's like when the Israeli government says that we're going 760 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 3: to punish the people who are giving out candy or 761 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 3: giving candy or like the people they elected hamas, and 762 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 3: it's like, where's the curiosity to say, Okay, what are 763 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 3: the polls saying? Right, Because if you look for the 764 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 3: polls like you would for any other community when you're 765 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 3: trying to understand like what this community is experiencing or 766 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 3: how they feel, there are polls. 767 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 2: Man. 768 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 3: People go and they do studies about this stuff. Godz 769 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 3: has been under seage for like the greater part of 770 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 3: the last twenty years. This has been like a you know, 771 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 3: the curiosity of academics you know people who are going 772 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 3: in and finding out, oh, actually more than seventy percent 773 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 3: of the people in Gaza when they were asked if 774 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 3: peace was option where they want to live in peace 775 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 3: with Israel's their neighbors and seventy five I don't know 776 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: the exact number, more than seventy percent. We're like, yeah, 777 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 3: we want peace, but you almost don't. You don't even 778 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 3: see that number quoted anywhere because there's no curiosity, there's 779 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,959 Speaker 3: no thought experiment of like, well are these people like us? 780 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 3: Where there were responding to many different things, there's this 781 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 3: idea that is really prevalent. I think among a lot 782 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 3: of writers and journalists that the issue is that there's 783 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 3: an ideological conflict, right, that if only each side could 784 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 3: just get along, then this problem would get solved. Right, 785 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 3: that there are actual partners for peace on either end 786 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 3: of this that are being usurped by these radical ideological groups. 787 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: This is not the case here, man, This is not 788 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 3: the case. What you said about the the imbalance of 789 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 3: power here is everything. Because I think this really cuts 790 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 3: through to how so many people who are sympathetic with 791 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 3: the Palestinian cause actually feel about this, and it drives 792 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 3: me nuts seeing some of these protests being described, the 793 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 3: protests that we've seen across the country, across the world. 794 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 3: I think London just had the biggest protest ever in 795 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 3: its history and it was from Palestine. This being condensed 796 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 3: as it being like a pro Hamas rally or an 797 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 3: anti Israel rally. You know, the idea that these people 798 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 3: could just be flattened to like this, responding to this 799 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 3: one part of this conflict drives me nuts. Yeah, you know, 800 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 3: where's the curiosity? You mean, said the reporter. Talk to 801 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 3: these people, find out what they're saying. They're filming themselves. 802 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 3: They're telling you what they're saying, the same thing with 803 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 3: from the River to the sea, Palestine will be free. 804 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 3: The congresswoman Rashida Tlay just got censured by her own 805 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 3: colleagues on the Democratic side, who helped the obviously bad 806 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 3: faith right wing use that rallying cry to punish her. Now, 807 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 3: none of the reporting I've seen makes context of what 808 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 3: she was actually saying in the speech where she said 809 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 3: that she wants peace for everybody. They just took the 810 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 3: right wings word for it that she was calling for genocide. 811 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 3: She was calling for genocide, man. 812 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 4: Come on, yeah, exactly saying freedom. Yeah. 813 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 3: And also the speech where did she give it? Where's 814 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 3: the curiosity? 815 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 4: Right? 816 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 3: Where did she give the speech? She gave it a 817 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 3: Jewish voices for peace rally? 818 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 2: Right? 819 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 3: Come on, Like this is basic journalism one oh one 820 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 3: that you will see in every context except for this, 821 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 3: And it makes me want to tear my eye out. 822 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 2: Man, it's so nut. I mean, this is what's so 823 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 2: difficult to watch too after going through the summer of 824 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and understanding how oppression affects people, and like 825 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: they were doing this, Like this is why, like I'm 826 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 2: so cynical about how our media operates, because it's operating 827 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 2: not even to inform people. It's there to just preserve 828 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 2: these system of oppression under like, because these questions that 829 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 2: are asked like similar to like in twenty twenty, you 830 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 2: bear like every now and then you'd hear some reporter 831 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 2: as somebody who's at a protest, why they're there, Like 832 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: everything was always like and we're here with the police. Start, 833 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 2: we're here with you know, Sheriff Villanueva who's telling us 834 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 2: about what is happening in Los Angeles and getting this 835 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 2: perspective that is meant to just like to your point, 836 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 2: flatten this movement into like a very easy to digest, 837 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 2: like these people just like want chaos or something, and 838 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 2: it's not that great of a thing. Slowly, I feel 839 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 2: like those things changed because I think there are enough 840 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 2: people in America to kind of begin to grapple with 841 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: that somewhat. But this also just feels so disgusting and 842 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 2: uncomfortable to watch because it really pulls out just the 843 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 2: inherent Islamophobia that exists in this country too, because I 844 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 2: feel like it's so eat a lot of people just 845 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 2: want to reflexively just cast people who, like in Palestine 846 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 2: is being like, yeah, well, you know, like they voted 847 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 2: for Hamas, so that means they're bad and it's that simple. 848 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 2: And that really is so difficult to have to sit 849 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 2: through because to your point, this is all happening while 850 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 2: innocent people are suffering under that, and there's many people 851 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: want to say, well, they're voting for they voted for Hamas, well, 852 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 2: then what's happening in the West Bank because Hamas is 853 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: not in power in the West Bank, the PA is 854 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 2: you know, and like, and so where is that argument now, 855 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 2: because we're only seeing increased violence there as well. But 856 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 2: you know it the again, it's always this lack of 857 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 2: humanity that's extended to these people in such a like 858 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 2: casual way is really unnerving because, you know, it makes 859 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 2: me feel like I'm living in a place where more 860 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: and more people are like, yeah, some people are just 861 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 2: not human to me, and that is really really frightening 862 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: and horrific and such a difficult thing to grapple with. 863 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll 864 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 4: be right. 865 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 2: Back, and we're back SpaceX. Speaking of Elon, they just 866 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 2: announced that they may try launching their Starship rocket for 867 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 2: a second time this Friday, if they get approval from 868 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 2: the FAA. And this comes fresh off the heels of 869 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 2: an extremely damning investigation from Reuters. They uncovered quote over 870 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 2: six hundred previously undisclosed workplace injuries at SpaceX facilities since 871 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. This is including everything from like cuts, lacerations, 872 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 2: fucking head injuries to amputations. People have been in comas 873 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 2: and tragically even death. One employee apparently died recently after 874 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 2: sitting on some cargo that was being hauled on a 875 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 2: trailer with no straps and the guy said, oh, no straps, 876 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 2: I'll just lay on top of this insulation, so we 877 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 2: can get it from point A to point be and 878 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 2: hopefully my body weight will keep this from blowing off 879 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 2: the fucking truck. Tragically, a gust of wind blew him 880 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 2: and the insulation off and he was unfortunately, he was killed, 881 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 2: like he was pronounced dead at the scene OSHA. Basically, 882 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 2: like I think anyone who just heard what happened found 883 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 2: that SpaceX had quote failed to protect the employee from 884 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 2: what they say was a clear hazard. But it turns 885 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 2: out like that's just kind of just a sample of 886 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 2: how bad some people are getting injured there. One man 887 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 2: was smacked in the head with it while they were 888 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 2: testing an engine in twenty twenty two. Apparently like they 889 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 2: were doing a pressure test of a Raptor V two 890 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 2: rocket engine that's a tongue twister and like a piece 891 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 2: of the rocket blew off and fractured the skull of 892 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 2: employee Francisco Cabata, and it put him in a coma, 893 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 2: and reportedly SpaceX has quote ignored the family's attempts to 894 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 2: find out why he wasn't protected, And just I know, 895 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 2: I said six hundred injuries twenty fourteen, But it's really 896 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 2: important to note that that is only a portion of 897 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 2: the total case count because while OSHA requires companies to 898 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 2: report injuries annually since twenty sixteen, SpaceX facilities have quote 899 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 2: failed to submit reports for most of those years. So 900 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 2: this is like when things were just bad enough, and 901 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 2: like the punishments are as we say all the time, 902 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 2: fines don't deter billionaires, especially when the fines are a 903 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 2: few hundred dollars to seven thousand dollars, like the fine 904 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 2: for the guy who lost his life. They only had 905 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,879 Speaker 2: to pay a seven thousand dollars fine for that, And 906 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 2: it's not like, you know, I know, people were like, well, 907 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 2: maybe working on rocket ships is like a fucking hazardous gig. 908 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 2: Not like when you compare this to the space industry average, 909 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 2: they are blowing records out. So in twenty twenty two, 910 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 2: the injury rate at their Brownsville facility in Texas was 911 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 2: four point eight injuries per or illnesses per one hundred workers. 912 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 2: That's six times higher than the space average industry of 913 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 2: zero point eight per one hundred workers. And the reason 914 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 2: for this, this is where Elon comes in. Is fucking 915 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 2: Elon and his hatred of like regulations, Like he believes 916 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 2: that employees should quote be responsible for protecting themselves. How 917 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, how does that work? And also like when 918 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 2: he would go to do like safety visits to sites, 919 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 2: he would tell people please take he didn't want people 920 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 2: wearing safety yellow vests because he dislikes bright colors, and 921 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 2: would also be like walking around sometimes with one of 922 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 2: his dumbass flame throwers during a fucking safety visit, Like 923 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 2: what are you talking about? 924 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,919 Speaker 5: This is I think this guy's a genius by the way, I. 925 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 2: Know, I know. It just shows you what like hair 926 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 2: plugs and a few billion dollars can do, and suddenly 927 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 2: you're the new fucking what Tony Stark or whatever the 928 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 2: fuck it is. 929 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 6: He also doesn't like airbags on cars because they're two round. 930 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 2: He said to felt to wrinkle your shirt. Actually, so 931 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 2: I don't like, yeah, do away with them. 932 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 6: It's an attic thing. 933 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 2: What were you going to say, Sarah. 934 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 5: Oh, no, I was. I was going to say, I 935 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 5: have a my chapter of my book. This is a 936 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,320 Speaker 5: joke I had about how like when we were at Google, 937 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 5: like we had like an ergonomic chair to protect your 938 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 5: body while your soul was dying inside. 939 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 9: Because like. 940 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 5: They were so obsessed with ergonomics. They were so obsessed 941 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 5: with carpal tunnel syndrome. They didn't want to stay at 942 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 5: carpal tunnel. They didn't want our posture to be bad. 943 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 5: They had standing nest so we could stand and sit. 944 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 5: You know. It was so they were so obsessed with 945 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 5: us protecting our bodies and so like, this is wild 946 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 5: to me, the trajectory of tech in general. I feel like, yeah, 947 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 5: this is bad for SpaceX and Elon, but I think 948 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 5: a lot of industries they really started to care less 949 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 5: about worker health in general. 950 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. I mean I think yeah, because like 951 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 2: Google and places like that. It seems a little insidious too, 952 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 2: because like, no, we need you healthy so we can 953 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,839 Speaker 2: get every motherfucking ounce of life out. 954 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 7: Yeah. 955 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 5: All the perks that were there were so that you 956 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 5: would stay, so that you wouldn't leave the building. 957 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 958 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 2: It's like when people talk about how they make like 959 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 2: wogu beef, and they're like, they fatten them up, they 960 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,880 Speaker 2: give them massages, they spit beer into their coats and 961 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 2: rub it in, so they get to the point that 962 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 2: their flesh is worth more than any other meeting out there, 963 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 2: right right, right right, It's for the slaughter's for the slaughter. 964 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 2: But so apparently he, like Elon Musk, defends this attitude 965 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,359 Speaker 2: because like in tech, it's always like move fast and 966 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 2: break skulls or I think that's break everything. Oh break everything, yeah, 967 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 2: break every bone in your body, he says, because SpaceX 968 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 2: is quote on an urgent quest to create a refuge 969 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 2: in space from a dying. 970 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 5: Please can you go do it? You go first, like 971 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 5: put him there first, and him and Grimes can populate Mars. 972 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. And those other like weird billionaires who 973 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 2: are like just like they're like I need my sperm everywhere. 974 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 5: All the billionaires yeah, or the or the guys is 975 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 5: like using his kid's blood to keep him young. Like 976 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,879 Speaker 5: he go there as well. 977 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,800 Speaker 6: Yeah it's fun. There's no amount of therapy. 978 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually need refuge from billionaires. So yeah, please 979 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 2: go there because I actually I believe with all the private 980 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,359 Speaker 2: flights and stuff like the top one percent are going on, 981 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 2: I think that would help tremendously, along with other things. 982 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 5: But anyway, I guess I guess they don't have a union. 983 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 5: I guess SpaceX and any of Elon's companies none of 984 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,320 Speaker 5: those workers are unionized. 985 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder is there. 986 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,720 Speaker 5: I bet not, because I mean I don't think you would. 987 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 2: Ever allow that or yeah right, yeah, I feel like 988 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 2: anyone would. Yeah, they're like, I'm so proud to be 989 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 2: hostile towards unions. Is usually like the take of these 990 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 2: kinds of guys. 991 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 6: Sarah, I thought you were asking if there was a 992 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 6: billionaires union where unionized this billionaires so we can have 993 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 6: our rights finally acknowledged by society. 994 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 5: Dude, I think that's literally in our future that's going 995 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 5: to happen. 996 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 2: It is that feels like it. Oh yeah, it says 997 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 2: employees were fired for speaking up about Elon Musk or 998 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 2: talking about Okay, so it sounds like yeah, part for 999 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 2: the course, perfect worse, perfect corse. But yeah, like also 1000 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,360 Speaker 2: because of this like rush to get us to fucking 1001 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 2: Mars also meant to like employees have been taking like 1002 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 2: adderall without prescriptions to like be able to fucking pull 1003 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,439 Speaker 2: like wild hours and then falling asleep in bathrooms. Also 1004 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 2: to speed up the work, the company has literally been 1005 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 2: getting workers to weld rocket parts in a tent on 1006 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 2: the beach and then like when the beach got too hot, 1007 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 2: they just hooked the people up to an IV and 1008 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 2: then sent them right back out there. And also in 1009 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 2: this like tent welding shop, apparently when the wind was 1010 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,800 Speaker 2: blowing they had to they had to shut the flaps 1011 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 2: and basically enclose everyone in a tent with like carcinogenic dust. 1012 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 2: So it's all very it's all very it's all very elon. 1013 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,399 Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. This is me Rile. 1014 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 5: This is a billion dollar company and they're treating employees 1015 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 5: like this. This is I mean, I totally expected in 1016 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 5: the Congo where they're trying to get diamonds out and 1017 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 5: stuff like that or whatever. 1018 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 2: But it's that model. It's it's yeah, there, you are 1019 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 2: merely automatons meant to help us generate capital. 1020 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,240 Speaker 5: What is the end game? Okay? What's the endgame? Okay, 1021 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 5: so we have all of these people addicted to social 1022 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,239 Speaker 5: media that's not working and they're all upset and their 1023 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 5: jobs are killing them. Like, there's not gonna be anybody 1024 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 5: left to buy the products that you're making. Okay, there's 1025 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 5: gonna be no one around. Everybody's gonna be gone. We're 1026 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 5: all gonna be dead. So what's the end game. You're 1027 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 5: gonna You're gonna build robots. To buy your products, Like 1028 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 5: you're gonna build robots to make your products, and then 1029 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 5: you're gonna build robots to buy your products, and it's 1030 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 5: just gonna be all robots. I guess, I guess. 1031 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,799 Speaker 2: Or it's the other one where they're like, well, you know, 1032 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,480 Speaker 2: AI is going to be doing a lot of the work. 1033 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 2: So that's why, like, you know, you hear the very 1034 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 2: like cynical version of like, we need a UBI, we 1035 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 2: need a universal basic income. And that's not because they 1036 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 2: believe that people like we should just move to that 1037 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 2: and give like we have a basic income to live 1038 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 2: off of, but because like but then when the fucking 1039 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 2: robots or ais take their livelihood, they'll still have a 1040 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 2: little scratch to give back to us in the form 1041 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 2: of consumerism or something like that. It's all it all 1042 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 2: works out in a very dark way. Or they're just 1043 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 2: they build their fucking bunkers in New Zealand and or 1044 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,799 Speaker 2: like I'll hide. We had a guest on a couple 1045 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 2: of weeks ago, Douglas Rushkov, who like would talk to 1046 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 2: the billionaires who like build bunkers, and the way they 1047 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 2: talk is all like how do I get them to 1048 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 2: not want like rebel against me, like and take all 1049 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 2: the food. Can I like put like a like a 1050 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 2: detonator on their throat or something to keep them in control? 1051 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,680 Speaker 2: And they're like, you actually haven't thought any of this through, 1052 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 2: Like your're. 1053 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,800 Speaker 5: So they're scared that their workers are going to rebel, 1054 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 5: so they're figuring out a way to have their workers. 1055 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 2: So in the context of the apocalypse bunker like where 1056 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 2: they said they've like some billionaires are like, I have 1057 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 2: a team of like ex paramilitary Like yeah, yeah, the 1058 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 2: people who protect the people who will inevitably protect and 1059 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 2: labor for the billllionaires in an apocalypse bunker. They're like, 1060 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 2: do I like make the code to the food something 1061 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 2: only I know? So that way, if I die, they 1062 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 2: also don't get anything. And it's also like it's I mean, 1063 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,800 Speaker 2: and to your point, Sarah, it's that way of thinking 1064 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,520 Speaker 2: that somehow helps you aggregate the kind of wealth to 1065 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 2: be a billionaire and also makes you a not human. 1066 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,320 Speaker 4: So oh my god. 1067 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 5: And that's why like Zuckerberg and all these guys are 1068 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 5: trying to build this like city, this city that no 1069 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 5: one else can get into, this like commune because they 1070 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,439 Speaker 5: know this shit is going to hit. 1071 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 2: The fan, yeah, or that or precisely that, like they know, 1072 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's like this relentless 1073 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 2: pursuit of wealth and making the lineup go infinitely is 1074 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 2: only destroying the earth, destroying the fabric of our society. 1075 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 2: And they're like, I don't know, we're responsible before, but 1076 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,760 Speaker 2: at the same time, let's build a thing to insulate 1077 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 2: ourselves from it. 1078 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1079 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 2: The good thing is like. 1080 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 5: Every man for himself kind of yeah, mentality. 1081 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 2: I mean, the good news is those plans will not work. 1082 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 2: Like it feels like no matter what you do, because 1083 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 2: even the people who are like I don't this and 1084 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,040 Speaker 2: I'll build that, bah blah blah blah, it's like, okay, well, 1085 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,280 Speaker 2: what if a part goes out for your your your HVAC, 1086 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,319 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you have no ac. Do 1087 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 2: you have someone on staff that can like manufacture the 1088 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,239 Speaker 2: part that you would need to fix it or do 1089 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 2: you have someone with that capability? And like, I don't know. 1090 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,319 Speaker 2: And then and then what if that has a knock 1091 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,879 Speaker 2: on effect on your green your growhouse that you say 1092 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,720 Speaker 2: will provide your food, because if that isn't temperature controlled, 1093 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,279 Speaker 2: then what do you do? And then if you don't 1094 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 2: have the food growing or the water purification system not 1095 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 2: just for you but for your plants. 1096 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 5: And then they start being like, well, this is very helpful. 1097 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,799 Speaker 5: I do plan to be a billionaire, so it's good 1098 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,359 Speaker 5: to know all this stuff going in. 1099 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just that's why I just, yeah, just be 1100 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 2: one of those people that no one wants to, like, well, 1101 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 2: the first person they think of when the shit goes down, 1102 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 2: like you know who, you know who I'm going to 1103 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,799 Speaker 2: pay a visit to, right, Yeah, I can't just be 1104 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 2: on the be on the good side, please, I'll be on. 1105 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 5: The good side. Also, maybe just like be a billionaire, 1106 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 5: but like, don't tell anybody that you're a billionaire. That's 1107 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 5: probably a better way to do it. 1108 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, secret billionaire. 1109 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:53,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1110 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 6: I like the idea that in this billionaire city there's 1111 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 6: still like a version of a poor billionaire where oh, 1112 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 6: you only have one point five billion. It's like you 1113 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 6: hear Carl has A has an above ground bunker. 1114 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 2: Yeah it's in Michigan. Oh my god, you didn't get 1115 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,359 Speaker 2: to New Zealand. Oh, poor guy, poor guy, because that's 1116 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 2: the other spot everyone's looking at is Michigan because all 1117 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,360 Speaker 2: that's fresh water. But anyway, let's move on to something 1118 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 2: just to wrap this show up, something a little more pleasant. 1119 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 2: Andre three stacks, Andre three thousand. He is releasing his 1120 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 2: fucking debut solo album. True this like just just me 1121 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,359 Speaker 2: doing my thing. This is Andre Benjamin here I am. 1122 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 2: The album is called New Blue Sun. And before, like myself, 1123 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, andres. 1124 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 5: Yes, yes years right. 1125 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this man, this is again. This album is 1126 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 2: quote entirely made up of instrumental woodwind music. It's just 1127 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,919 Speaker 2: him on the flute, which I'm like, that makes sense. 1128 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 2: I've seen him like he's always like I've seen I 1129 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,440 Speaker 2: feel like most of the videos I've seen him recently 1130 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 2: are playing some kind of flute, which so people wouldn't 1131 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 2: be totally shocked. I apparently I didn't realize that the 1132 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 2: track she Lives in My Lap, he played flute on that, 1133 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,280 Speaker 2: Like he's playing woodwinds on that. Yeah, And also where's 1134 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 2: the catch with James Blake? He played woodwind So I 1135 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,840 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I had no idea. I was not 1136 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 2: familiar with your game, sir. And there was like there 1137 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 2: a couple of viral clips of him playing like a 1138 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 2: flute in the airport. But it's funny because like I 1139 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 2: think he knows how much his fans like love him 1140 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 2: as a rapper vocalist, and he's like a little apologetic. 1141 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,160 Speaker 2: Like the first track of the album is this is 1142 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 2: the literal track of the first album. Quote this track one, 1143 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 2: I swear I really wanted to make a rap album, 1144 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 2: but this is literally the way. This is literally the 1145 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 2: way the wind blew me this time is the first track. 1146 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 2: And he said, even on the cover, there's even a 1147 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,319 Speaker 2: label that says warning no bars, just to let you 1148 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,800 Speaker 2: know there will be no You will not hear his voice. 1149 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,319 Speaker 2: You will just hear maybe you'll hear a breath here 1150 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 2: and there as he's playing. But I'll take you. I 1151 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:10,319 Speaker 2: love it. 1152 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I think it's sweet. I think it's yeah, 1153 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,319 Speaker 6: I think it's cute, Like let him let him do 1154 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 6: his thing. He's not bait and switching anyone, you know. Yeah, 1155 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 6: let him play with his wood ones. 1156 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. And also at this point too, like 1157 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 2: it's been so long where I've like I stopped holding 1158 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 2: my Like I caught them when they had like a 1159 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 2: reunion tour like in twenty fourteen. I was like I 1160 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 2: was there for that. I saw that I got my fill. 1161 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 2: But also it's nice because I feel like so much 1162 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 2: of that work is like it's perfect. I'm like, yep, don't, 1163 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 2: I don't. We don't need to augment this. If you 1164 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 2: want to, sure, go ahead, Like you know, like I 1165 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 2: like Big Boys other projects that he does, but with 1166 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 2: like Andre, Yeah, he's always been so vibe that I'm like, 1167 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 2: I can't get mad. And I feel like most people 1168 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 2: feel the same way. Like I know some people, but whatever, 1169 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:55,959 Speaker 2: I just as. 1170 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 5: An artist, it's so brave to do something so completely different. 1171 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 5: I mean, it really is. 1172 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,760 Speaker 2: It's very inspiring, and it's also it's also just like 1173 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 2: the like that just a little bit of consideration for 1174 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,080 Speaker 2: his fans who know him as a rapper vocalist. Or 1175 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, like the first track, I swear I 1176 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 2: really wanted to make a rap album, but this is 1177 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 2: literally the way with the wind bloop me this time. 1178 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's fine, and he's really funny. 1179 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I am I don't know 1180 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 5: what the music. I personally have never listened to an 1181 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 5: album of just woodwind instruments, yeah, in my life. But 1182 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 5: maybe this will start a whole new trend. I don't know. 1183 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like people I want. 1184 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 5: To see him and Lizzo do like a little thing. 1185 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a lot of flutes, a lot of flutes 1186 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 2: going down. Yeah, I think we'll see. I mean, I've 1187 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,400 Speaker 2: seen people say they've heard bits and pieces of it. 1188 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, like if maybe they're at a listening 1189 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 2: party or something like that, but it's I don't know. 1190 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,160 Speaker 2: I mean from the people who claim to have hear it, 1191 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,600 Speaker 2: they're like, it's it's pretty cool. It's like trippy, and 1192 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:52,920 Speaker 2: I'm like. 1193 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,120 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm gonna get high and listen to it. 1194 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't imagine Andre like you come out, he's 1195 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 2: just playing like hot cross Buns, no backing, drafty motherfucker 1196 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 2: playing a recorder. Then I might feel like, Bro, you 1197 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 2: had a lot of time to fucking get that recorder, right. 1198 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 5: But I mean, I think this will start a resurgence 1199 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 5: every recorder interest. 1200 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, recorder, Well, wasn't it Like was recorder not like 1201 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,959 Speaker 2: like a part of the core for a certain point. 1202 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,520 Speaker 2: Did you play recorder? Blake? 1203 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 6: Did you that was my primary instrument? 1204 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I'm serious, I'm serious. Did you have no 1205 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 2: play recorder? No bit? 1206 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 6: Yes, I did, Like that was because we had music class, 1207 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 6: and I think that was the only instrument because we 1208 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 6: had to buy it ourselves, I remember, but it was, 1209 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 6: in terms of instruments, the most you know, affordable instrument 1210 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 6: that you could possibly get. So yeah, I know we 1211 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,680 Speaker 6: played like b A G b ag like that was 1212 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,880 Speaker 6: uh hot cross. 1213 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,680 Speaker 2: Buns of course, everybody, you fucking that's the first track 1214 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 2: you learn on this cross Buns. That's right, you know 1215 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 2: what I mean. But apparently I didn't realize that. Like 1216 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 2: it's like the reason too, is that it helps like 1217 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 2: with creative thinking skills like finger dexterity. 1218 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 5: I didn't know that. 1219 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, what the fuck? I was like, 1220 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,840 Speaker 2: my teacher is just a weirdo making us play this 1221 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,680 Speaker 2: shitty plastic flute. But no, there's it turns out there 1222 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,960 Speaker 2: was a reason. There's more than just Mary had a 1223 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,919 Speaker 2: little man. I'll have to look into it, all right. 1224 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,560 Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please 1225 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 1: like and review the show If you like, the show 1226 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,000 Speaker 1: means the world the miles he he needs your validation, folks. 1227 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,640 Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend, and I will 1228 01:00:41,680 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: talk to him one day. By nothing