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Speaker 2: Hooray, Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the No

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Speaker 2: Dunks Podcast presented by Amazon Prime.

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Speaker 3: It's Wednesday, June eleventh, twenty twenty five. I'm Jay Skis

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Speaker 3: here in the Classic Factory and alongside me as always,

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Speaker 3: tas Mellice.

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Speaker 1: Game three tonight, Yes, sirs.

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Speaker 3: Next to him, it's the bearded one Atapsha hot Boy,

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Speaker 3: Trey Kirby, Hey yo, and over Yonder making the magic happen.

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Speaker 3: Super producer Jad Hello, there he is here.

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 3: Hello to everybody on YouTube. Hello, podcast listeners. On today's show,

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Speaker 3: the boys are back to discuss what's going on with

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Speaker 3: the Knicks coaching search. They have no riz. Everybody's saying no, deny, deny, denied.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that. I want to get your take

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Speaker 3: on whether you're concerned at all about the low finals

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Speaker 3: ratings after two games and the summer of Wemby off

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Speaker 3: But let's talk about Game three. You said it tasks

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Speaker 3: Finally tonight feels like it's been like a week. I

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Speaker 3: know it hasn't, but man, this gap its backbreaking anyway,

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Speaker 3: After a last second buzzer beater from Tyrese Haliburton stole

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Speaker 3: Game one for the Pacers, okay, see, he bounce back

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Speaker 3: in game two to tie this thing up. So the

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Speaker 3: You want to call it pivotal, knock yourself out. It

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Speaker 3: is big in the finals. When teams are tied one

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Speaker 3: three is like thirty two to eight.

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Speaker 4: Sounds p Finals history. Yeah, it's pretty sounds.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Game five pivotal.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, let's get into some questions about this game

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Speaker 4: They got to call Sherwin Williams, it's time to touch

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Speaker 4: paint right. Only thirty four points in the paint in

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Speaker 4: both games for the Pacers so far. Okay, see, he

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Speaker 4: has done two things defensively, turn off Tyrese Haliburton and

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Speaker 4: turn off the Pacers transition attack. One of those has

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Speaker 4: kind of actually think it's Tyrese Haliburton more so than

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Speaker 4: They're back every single time. You're not gonna get the

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Speaker 4: The primary benefit of that is that it gets him

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Speaker 4: The Thunder know how they want to defend that. They're

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Speaker 1: They were way too slow, and that factored into three

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Speaker 3: And a part of that might be a kinder whistle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Siakam has been the only guy who's really been

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Speaker 4: for Tyrese Haliburton. If Dort gets beat, it's instantly a

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Speaker 4: do some funky stuff with stunting Caruso. At Halliburton coming off,

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Speaker 4: two went three for eleven. He's only ten of twenty

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Speaker 4: good series thus far, just like Anthony Edwards didn't have

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Speaker 4: I don't know. That probably is a self defeating prophecy.

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Speaker 1: One that was okay with it. You didn't even mention

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Speaker 3: But that's why we're talking about a series in the finals.

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Speaker 3: That's one one like it's three to zero. We are

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Speaker 3: every podcast I've listened to over the last forty eight hours,

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Speaker 3: weird that we're doing that. But a big part of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and those three minutes that they won, they weren't

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Speaker 1: So he didn't put one out there in that last

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Speaker 1: a couple different ways. But yeah, I think Nemhart is

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Speaker 3: And if you're keeping track of all the numbers in

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Speaker 3: Oka See has been called for thirty nine fouls. They've

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Speaker 3: shot fifty seven free throws and they made fifty of them.

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Speaker 3: that is a sixteen point difference there at foul one

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Speaker 3: because again, that's the one thing you could look at

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Speaker 3: they can get into foul trouble, they can get you

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Speaker 3: Who has been the biggest X factor to you through

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Speaker 4: Two kid, Well, the player for me is Obi Toppin',

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Speaker 4: But it's because he kind of stands for two things,

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Speaker 4: In Game two, Obi Toppen three points on one of

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Speaker 4: Obi Toppin has to use his speed advantage. That is

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Speaker 4: picking pop threes because those have generally been open. Same

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Speaker 4: if it's minimal, Like I don't know, I think they

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Speaker 4: took seven more free throws in game two. That hurts,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, I think it's the Alex Caruso factor.

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Speaker 1: And then you see the game flip both on both ends.

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Speaker 3: Really, I mean, I think Lou Dort's been amazing on Halliburton.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, no, you're in the dor ch Ard

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Speaker 3: It's just the touching paint, kicking out, getting maybe a

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Speaker 3: Indiana thirty nine to twenty eight. Big part of that

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Speaker 3: was Obi Toppin. So you know, you know, these are

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Speaker 3: really good starting lineups, but these waves of guys these

431
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Speaker 3: coaches go to, they can be difference makers in these games.

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Speaker 3: So they're gonna hope, if you're an Indiana fan, that

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Speaker 3: the guys at home play better and hit some of

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Speaker 3: these threes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Obi Tobin was a special performance because it wasn't

436
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Speaker 1: even necessarily with bench guys. It was with the starters

437
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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter when they needed to come back,

438
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Speaker 1: and it was just him popping off threes with Nemhart

439
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Speaker 1: setting him up, who assisted a couple of his threes.

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Speaker 1: They had four threes combined him and Turner, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was translated to the starting lineup essentially in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: He was awesome, and a lot of those I remember

444
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Speaker 3: in game one were because guys were getting into the

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Speaker 3: paint and then it was finding its way out. We

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Speaker 3: talked about the Nie Smith one where he kept fighting

447
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Speaker 3: with the ball. That one got kicked out. You said,

448
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Speaker 3: Nemhart getting in there kicking out. It's not like we're

449
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Speaker 3: saying a top and let's get some high pick and

450
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Speaker 3: roll action with you to fire from three. No, he's

451
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Speaker 3: got the looks have to be generated for him, and

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Speaker 3: that's generally a guy's getting into the paint, defense collapsing,

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Speaker 3: then finding him in rhythm and good passes at that

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Speaker 3: obviously for the right in the pocket. The final question

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Speaker 3: then with this one is is there an under the

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Speaker 3: radar storyline here for game three that you got your

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Speaker 3: eye on.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, the Pacers aren't gonna score a ton of points.

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Speaker 1: I think on the other side, they have to hope

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Speaker 1: that okay see doesn't spray it out enough where they're

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Speaker 1: three point shooters make enough shots. So I think an

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Speaker 1: under the radar storyline is that when Benedict Matherne comes in.

463
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Speaker 1: Shaye likes taking him one on one, and I think

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Speaker 1: the Pacers will take that because those other guys aren't

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Speaker 1: gonna score as much. So Shay shot twenty one shots

466
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Speaker 1: in game number two, nearly half of them we're on

467
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Speaker 1: Benedict Mathern, a guy coming off the bench, and I

468
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Speaker 1: think the Pacers will love that. So it's sort of

469
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Speaker 1: an under the radar storyline in that it doesn't really

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Speaker 1: induce incredible performances from all the Thunder players. As we've mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you know your Wiggins, your Carusos, so there's that when

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Speaker 1: Mathurin's on the floor. I think they want that game.

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Speaker 1: So that's an under the radar storyline, just one on one,

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Speaker 1: even though you know Shade made some magic otherwise through

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Speaker 1: being able to split screens and do that. But I

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Speaker 1: think they the Pacers want Shay versus Mathron as much

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Speaker 1: as possible.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what about UTK?

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Speaker 4: Can the Pacers win the game three? Currently zero and

480
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Speaker 4: three in the playoffs minus forty four. They need to

481
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Speaker 4: play off the crowd. They need to get Indiana going crazy.

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Speaker 4: That's when they are the most fun to watch, flying

483
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Speaker 4: up and down the court. People are celebrating a lot

484
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Speaker 4: of that comes down to home cooking. For the role players.

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Speaker 4: Are they gonna make their wide open shots? I think

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Speaker 4: Miles Turner has been pretty big in this series. When

487
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Speaker 4: the Pacers look good, Miles Turner is playing well, banking

488
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Speaker 4: in threes. That's nice to see. What happened again, I

489
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Speaker 4: don't know, but he needs to play well for the

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Speaker 4: Pacers to actually win. Another thing under the radar Shae

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Speaker 4: Gilders Alexander thirty six, five and five through two games,

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Speaker 4: and he's kind of like the third thing we talk about.

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Speaker 4: It's like Tyre's Halliburton. It's the role players. And then

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, by the way, the MVP is putting up

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Speaker 4: Lebron MJ numbers, so that's pretty cool. And the third

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Speaker 4: thing for me is what's the NBA gonna put on

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Speaker 4: the floor for this one?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Nothing? In game one? Try to for the trophies. In

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Speaker 4: game two, the script looked better. I thought it looked

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Speaker 4: more natural since it's not bright, yeah, glowing, So they're

502
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Speaker 4: gonna try something. They make the they make the trophy

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Speaker 4: a little bigger. Did they turn down the opacity so

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Speaker 4: it looks like it's part of the floor. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but they've got to do something because people are watching. Though.

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Speaker 1: Do they flip the other one that's on the other

507
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Speaker 1: side like that would make more sense, it would feel

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Speaker 1: like it's not.

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Speaker 3: To make it look more realistic. Yeah, right right? Why

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Speaker 3: are they both looking at camera angle the other one

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Speaker 3: like that? Okay, keep you trye on that. I got

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Speaker 3: a few great stats here from Law Murray at the

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Speaker 3: Athletic about the Pacers. When they score at least one

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Speaker 3: hundred and ten points here in the postseason, they're thirteen

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Speaker 3: and oh. So that magic number TK I know you

516
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Speaker 3: once talked about, like the one oh five and all that. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 3: lost this line exactly just got over. Yeah, so one ten,

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Speaker 3: thirteen and oh. When they don't hit that, they're oh

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Speaker 3: and five. When the Pacers make at least forty six

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Speaker 3: percent from the field, thirteen and oh when they don't

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Speaker 3: oh and five, when the Pacers make at least thirty

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Speaker 3: six percent from three, thirteen and oh when they don't

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Speaker 3: win five they all go hand in hand. Of course,

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Speaker 3: three point shooting, just overall shooting and then the points

525
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Speaker 3: racking up, and that's what they need here, and you

526
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Speaker 3: know they're doing it against maybe one of the best

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Speaker 3: defenses we've ever seen, so they got to at least

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Speaker 3: try and get one of these back at home. Are

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Speaker 3: you confident that this goes back two two or are

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Speaker 3: you concerned that because of the discourse and way we've

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Speaker 3: talked about this series, that the the the douchebag sweep

532
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Speaker 3: in play here.

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Speaker 1: I think it is in play, Yeah, the douchebag sweeping,

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Speaker 1: the doucheb sweep. Yes, yes, think there's a very very

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Speaker 1: good chance.

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Speaker 3: Just the idea of OKC being so talented almost playing yeah,

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Speaker 3: and figuring things out as the series goes on.

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Speaker 1: I think so for sure.

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Speaker 3: I would be a little concerned, like, at some point,

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Speaker 3: is there gonna be like a monster jal In Williams game.

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Speaker 3: Just he is really good. He's an All NBA All

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Speaker 3: Star guy, and he's played well defensively, but he's been

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Speaker 3: very quiet.

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Speaker 4: Johnfre has been off for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that's coming at some point. I don't

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Speaker 3: know when. But he's gonna have a monster game. No,

547
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Speaker 3: he had a monster game against the Nuggets and they

548
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Speaker 3: actually lost that one, so you never know. He has

549
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Speaker 3: to pair it with SGA and the other guys. But

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's coming at some point. So that's

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Speaker 3: not good if you're a Pacers fan. But what do

552
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Speaker 3: you think about the two two three to one going back?

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Speaker 4: What's all right? MJ won a title losing game one

554
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Speaker 4: and then winning four straight. Lebron won a title losing

555
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Speaker 4: game one and then winning four straight. We just talked

556
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Speaker 4: about how to show gel just Alexander is putting up

557
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Speaker 4: m J Lebron numbers here in the finals. So I

558
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Speaker 4: picked Thunder and five for a reason. Yeah, I didn't

559
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Speaker 4: necessarily know it would go this way. I think that's

560
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Speaker 4: probably the way it's going. But if I'm a fan,

561
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Speaker 4: I'm saying we scored sixty six in the second half

562
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Speaker 4: of both of these games. They have figured out how

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Speaker 4: to score some of that. In Game two, I think

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Speaker 4: was the Thunder maybe taking their foot off the break

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Speaker 4: or off the gas a little bit and knowing that

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Speaker 4: they could trade baskets because Indiana didn't have much defense

567
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Speaker 4: in the second half of Game two, but at least

568
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Speaker 4: they're able to generate some offense, so they got to

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Speaker 4: be a little bit confident that they can win one

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Speaker 4: of these two. My guess is that we go back.

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Speaker 3: Three one though, Okay, yeah, I mean you guys did

572
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Speaker 3: have thunder and five. I had thunder and six, So

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm more like confident that the Pacers can

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Speaker 3: can get one of these. Thank god Halliburton hit that

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Speaker 3: shot at the end of game one. I will say

576
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Speaker 3: that as someone that is doing a daily NBA podcast,

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Speaker 3: Like again, we're talking about this like it's over, but

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Speaker 3: it's one one, but you know, thank god. I mean,

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Speaker 3: otherwise it'd be two to oh for okay see and

580
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Speaker 3: we would be talking sweet sweep sweet. But hey, they

581
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Speaker 3: maybe are a team of destiny too. Let's just hope

582
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Speaker 3: for a close game tonight. That's what we want. Anything

583
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Speaker 3: else on this one.

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Speaker 1: No, I just love of stats that you mentioned because

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Speaker 1: they really just have to get to one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten points. And that's what Halliburton did with that game

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Speaker 1: winning shot. I mean there are one oh nine just

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Speaker 1: hit a shot, man, they got it. Yeah, they went

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Speaker 1: the number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the magic number tonight. If you're a

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Speaker 3: Pacers fan, all right, we will be obviously back here

592
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Speaker 3: tomorrow morning to break it all down.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the Pacers will go back to OKCE

594
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Speaker 4: up three to one?

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Speaker 3: Uh No, no, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't hear a lot of people calling for that one.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they're gonna they're almost I think

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Speaker 3: they're happy too, best of three double, yes, exactly. All right,

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Speaker 3: that's enough on game three again, that's tonight at eight

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Speaker 3: thirty pm Eastern on ABC. Can't wait to see what's

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Speaker 3: on the floor. U can you have said about that?

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Speaker 3: But we got some other things to talk about. Let's do.

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Speaker 3: Is this news? Some headlines for the guys and for

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Speaker 3: everybody watching here on YouTube and podcasts listeners. First one,

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Speaker 3: it is finals related front front Office from Front Office Sports.

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Speaker 3: NBA Finals Game two ratings lowest since two thousand and

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Speaker 3: seven excluding the bubble. So Game two of the NBA

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Speaker 3: Finals averaged eight point seven to six million viewer Sunday

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Speaker 3: night on ABC based on the Nielsen numbers reported by

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Speaker 3: Sports Media Watch the least watched NBA Finals Game two

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Speaker 3: since twenty twenty Heat Lakers. That was seven point five

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Speaker 3: four million, and that was played again in the Walt

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Speaker 3: Disney World. You know, bubble there because of the COVID

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Speaker 3: eighteen pandemic. Is this news tasks that you know, we

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Speaker 3: had a low ratings in game one and got even

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Speaker 3: worse in Game two despite the Halliburton game winner.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what these Nielsen reports are anymore. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they're a thing of the pass. They truly are. Who

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Speaker 1: watches games and where they watch games?

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Speaker 3: Is the question.

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Speaker 1: Why aren't we into the books here of the NBA

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Speaker 1: to know exactly where games are watched? Because I think

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Speaker 1: these numbers just don't mean anything to me anymore.

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Speaker 4: Things change.

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Speaker 1: We're watching them streaming, we're watching them via the NBA app.

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Speaker 1: We're not watching them with our Nielsen boxes on our

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Speaker 1: TV's anymore. It's just the thing in the past. I

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Speaker 1: really would like to understand how these numbers happen.

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Speaker 3: So you don't seem to concerned.

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Speaker 1: I'm not concerned, Okay, I don't think the NBA is

631
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Speaker 1: concerned either. We knew they were going to go down

632
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Speaker 1: in terms of just markets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because of the small markets. People were maybe a

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Speaker 3: little surprised that it did go down from Game one

635
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Speaker 3: because of again maybe the upset victory, the huge shot.

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Speaker 3: People thought maybe it would stay pretty close or even

637
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 3: tick up, so that going the opposite way maybe not great.

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Speaker 3: But are you concerned? Is this newsworthy to you? Tray?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's disappointing. That the number dropped

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Speaker 4: after game one for sure. I'm with tasked, like, just

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Speaker 4: you're sponsored by YouTube TV. Tell us how many people

642
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Speaker 4: are watching specifically on YouTube TV. My dad is here,

643
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Speaker 4: we both watch on my dad's account, so I don't

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Speaker 4: know if that counts as one or two.

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Speaker 1: Right, There's so many factors.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, like how is there a Steve in Atlanta and

647
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Speaker 4: a Steve in the cal cal to cal But yeah,

648
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Speaker 4: task is right. Everybody knew the ratings were going to

649
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Speaker 4: be down. Nobody expected them to say that this was

650
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Speaker 4: the highest rated TV show of the month, which I

651
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Speaker 4: think is a hilarious claim from the NBA. But before

652
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Speaker 4: the finals, we said this is going to be a

653
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Speaker 4: short term hit. Maybe in the long term it works

654
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Speaker 4: out for the NBA because basically these ratings right now

655
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Speaker 4: are on par with the Bubble throw that one out

656
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Speaker 4: Calves Spurs and then net Spurs from what two thousand

657
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Speaker 4: and two to two thousand and three, something.

658
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Speaker 3: Like that seven yeah, yeah, and then before the yeah, and.

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Speaker 4: Then you look at those teams, it's like the Calves

660
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 4: became a draw. Obviously they had Lebron James, but Jet

661
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Speaker 4: going forward from there, like the Calves were a major team,

662
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Speaker 4: and after Lebron had his first finals appearance, the Spurs,

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Speaker 4: I don't really think ever became a draw, so maybe

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Speaker 4: that is okay see maybe okay see is the new

665
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Speaker 4: Spurs where teams are They're like, this is one of

666
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Speaker 4: the best teams in the league. They've got a straight

667
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Speaker 4: up Hall of Famer leading the way, and nobody really

668
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: cares all that much just because they keep to themselves.

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Speaker 4: They're kind of low key personalities and they just go

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Speaker 4: out and dominate, specifically on the defensive end. But we're

671
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Speaker 4: gonna get a freshly minted star off either Shade Gilgess.

672
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Speaker 4: Alexander caps off an awesome season where he is the MVP,

673
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Speaker 4: the scoring leader, and likely the finals MVP. He would be.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we'll be debating whether, like where ranks is

675
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Speaker 3: one of the greatest seasons of all time.

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Speaker 4: Some will yes, indeed, yeah, there yeah, And then Tyre's

677
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Speaker 4: Halliburton if he pulls it off, this is like one

678
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Speaker 4: of the greatest championship runs of all time, going through

679
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Speaker 4: being the underdog in every series after their first rounder

680
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 4: against the injured Bucks, you also have to figure that

681
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Speaker 4: the thunder are going to be good going forward. Here

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Speaker 4: the Pacers are probably gonna be good. They're mostly a

683
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Speaker 4: young team and lea, at least outside of Myles Turner,

684
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Speaker 4: they got everybody coming back, So this is kind of

685
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Speaker 4: the baseline I think for both the Thunder and the Pacers.

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Speaker 4: The Thunder have a chance to go up after winning

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Speaker 4: the championship. The Pacers certainly do. I think it's more

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Speaker 4: likely the Thunder make it back. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: this was kind of to be expected, Yease. They are

690
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Speaker 4: very small markets with kind of anonymous players unless you're

691
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Speaker 4: really tapped in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, you know you brought up the

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Speaker 3: NBA PR spin. We actually have a tweet about that,

694
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Speaker 3: because they didn't take long after the Nielsen low ratings

695
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Speaker 3: got released to tweet this. Games one and two of

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Speaker 3: the NBA Finals are the two most watch programs across

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Speaker 3: all of television since the first week of May Be

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Speaker 3: Bones Boom in your Face. Nearly half of all eighteen

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Speaker 3: to thirty four year old watching TV during Games one

700
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Speaker 3: and two were tuned into the NBA Finals. Okay, okay,

701
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Speaker 3: it's a good one, and then the final one. The

702
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Speaker 3: NBA Finals have generated more than one billion views billion

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Speaker 3: with a B and counting across social media a record

704
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Speaker 3: through two games. So okay, this is what you were

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Speaker 3: sort of saying, tasks like, all right, these Nielsen ratings, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Wait where do these views come from? I mean, explain

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Speaker 1: it to me, Like I'm a six year old, I

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Speaker 1: would love to know the Nielsen you're asking just all

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Speaker 1: TV ratings, all basketball games watched, period, because it really

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Speaker 1: is it's a mystery. I mean where they watch it?

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Speaker 1: Streaming as tray you brought up two people are watching

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Speaker 1: one feed. Even these these information here on the the

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Speaker 1: stats here. The claim of being the most watched TV

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Speaker 1: program since may overlook streaming data, as a twenty twenty

715
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Speaker 1: four Sports Business Journal report indicates thirty percent of NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals audience has now use platforms like ESPN Plus. But

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Speaker 1: don't those count? Don't the numbers on ESPN plus.

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Speaker 4: Count for NILS ratings. I wouldn't got a box. You

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Speaker 4: gotta be a Nielsen family.

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Speaker 1: What's ancient? We're not in We're not We're not watching

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Speaker 1: rural antenna TV beads. I mean, it doesn't happen anymore.

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Speaker 4: True, But like you're saying, it's hard to it's hard

723
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Speaker 4: to measure. Yeah, digital streams, right, I'm saying I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm not the only person using their parents

725
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Speaker 4: to watch these games. I know some people are streaming

726
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Speaker 4: it illegally. How do you count all that? Yes, it's

727
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Speaker 4: literally impossible, but we know how to count. Oh that

728
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Speaker 4: box says that TV watch this game. So that's what

729
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Speaker 4: we're gonna hear, and that's what we've always heard. And

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Speaker 4: they even gained that to make it better, like allowing

731
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Speaker 4: out of home viewer to count. Yeah, so, look, people

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Speaker 4: aren't watching this finals that much. I guess, I guess so, right,

733
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Speaker 4: Like it's not surprising for the two teams that are here.

734
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Speaker 4: But there's ups, there's downs. You got to have a

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Speaker 4: legendary player to really draw eyes, and you have to

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Speaker 4: win your first title to start becoming a legendary player.

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Speaker 3: Right or of course being in a huge market, which

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Speaker 3: just bumps up those Sure, yeah exactly, Like if the

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Speaker 3: Knicks are here, this is a completely different story.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they're just way better because I'm obviously the

742
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Speaker 3: New York metropolitan market, Like that's just a fact. In

743
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Speaker 3: addition to that, maybe just the Knicks fan base being

744
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Speaker 3: much larger than a Pacers fan.

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Speaker 1: Base all that anyway, Anyways, somebody from the office has

746
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Speaker 1: got to explain exactly how it all works, just because

747
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Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to be able to

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Speaker 1: count ESPN plus. And I threw out that stat there,

749
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Speaker 1: and I didn't mention where it came from because I

750
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Speaker 1: don't know how to pronounce grok or grock or whatever

751
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Speaker 1: it is on X But that's where it came from.

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Speaker 1: So the was that thing that I even mentioned? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: was that even legitimate? Probably not. Anyway, it's hard to know.

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Speaker 4: The thing I was also wondering, was they mentioned the

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Speaker 4: NBA Finals have generated more than one billion views? Does

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Speaker 4: that count our videos? M you know, if it hashtag

757
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Speaker 4: at NBA Finals. I took that as it was their

758
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Speaker 4: own work, only straight up NBA accounts. Maybe, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean a billion is a lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean you had that one one viral on TikTok

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Speaker 3: for us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like a million exactly, I mean you had all

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Speaker 4: but still that's only one million out of one thousand million.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, so.

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Speaker 4: I think they do count. I think they're counting everything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hey, look, well you're welcome. Yeah, all right, next

767
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Speaker 3: headline here, let's talk here about the knicks from the

768
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Speaker 3: athletic we'll go with this one though. We've got a

769
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Speaker 3: little update from the Athletic yesterday. MAVs believe Jason Kidd

770
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Speaker 3: will return Hiss head coach next season, not filled Nick's vacancy.

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Speaker 3: Shawm's about an hour ago did tweet the Knicks requested

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Speaker 3: permission Wednesday morning, that's today to speak to Mavericks coach

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Speaker 3: Jason Kidd, and Dallas gave a fur rejection. You think

774
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Speaker 3: they hit them with the Motumbo finger. So the Knicks

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Speaker 3: have been denied now by kid on Kid, Minnesota's Chris Finch,

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Speaker 3: and Houston's Emai Udoka. Is this news? What's going on

777
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Speaker 3: here with the Knicks coaching search?

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Speaker 4: I think it's news because there's no news from the

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00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: Knicks yet, which means they didn't have a plan for

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Speaker 4: getting rid of Tom Thibodeau. They From the reporting, it

781
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: seems like they had a bunch of postseason meetings, talked

782
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Speaker 4: about things like that, and then somebody made the call

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Speaker 4: to let go of Tom. Was it Leon Rose? Was

784
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Speaker 4: it James Dolan? Who knows? It feels like Jalen Brunson

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Speaker 4: likes Tom Thibodeaux, but maybe Carl Anthony Towns and Mikae

786
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 4: Bridges don't feels like Josh Hart does. Nonetheless, he's gone,

787
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Speaker 4: and this is kind of becoming a pattern of impulsivity.

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Speaker 4: I feel like for the Knicks, they played things pretty

789
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Speaker 4: straightforward when they were building this team up until last summer,

790
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Speaker 4: where they're like five first round picks for Michael Bridges,

791
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Speaker 4: were reuniting all of the Villanova guys. Wait a second,

792
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Speaker 4: we're gonna trade st Vincenzo and Randall for Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna fire Tom Thibodeill after going to the conference

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Speaker 4: finals for the first time in a quarter of a century.

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Speaker 4: It just feels like the Knicks were pretty pretty boring.

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Speaker 4: The way they built their team, to be quite honest,

797
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: made smart trades, never really went in with all of

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Speaker 4: their draft capital for the future to change something, and

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Speaker 4: it really built the Knicks back up in a smart

800
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Speaker 4: way that they had not been doing from basically two

801
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Speaker 4: thousand to twenty twenty. And then starting last summer they

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Speaker 4: got close in that conference or in that second round

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Speaker 4: against the Pacers seven games, They're like, we are right there.

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Speaker 4: All we got to do is one more thing, and

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Speaker 4: then one more other thing, and then one more other thing.

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Speaker 4: And suddenly they're left without a coach, they can't lure

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Speaker 4: anybody from another team, and now they're going to be

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00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 4: scrambling to see who they get. Maybe they get Michael Malone,

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Speaker 4: who's going to be available. He's kind of a Tom

810
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Speaker 4: Thibodeaux style, though he does have a championship maybe a

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Speaker 4: little bit better offense. Or Mike Brown, who used to

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Speaker 4: be a defense guy turned it into an offense guy.

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Speaker 4: It just seems like the Knicks thought they were going

814
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Speaker 4: to have their pick of the litter. Everybody wants to

815
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Speaker 4: come to the next But guess what other teams have

816
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 4: a saying things too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this isn't Yeah, that's a good point. It's not

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Speaker 3: the coaches necessarily saying no, no, I you know, Jason Kidd,

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Speaker 3: Ordoka or Finch saying I know, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: talk to you in New York. It's the team that

821
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Speaker 3: employs them saying no, we're denying that request. So that's

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Speaker 3: where we're at here. Yeah. Do you agree that like

823
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Speaker 3: the Knicks fired TIBs without a surefire successor here in place?

824
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: It feels like it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's very clear. They didn't have one planned

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Speaker 1: out do. I think it's a completely negative at this point. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they can still find

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Speaker 1: the one, but it is making every single headline. I

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Speaker 1: find the Jason kidds scenario pretty interesting also that they've

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Speaker 1: hired Jay Triano as an assistant coach, so frankly, leave

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Speaker 1: their offense as their second assistant. Did he hire them?

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Speaker 1: Did he hire Jay Triano? I think that part is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they went to the finals last year. This year,

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Speaker 1: as we were told in Nico Harrison's press conference along

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Speaker 1: with Jason Kidd when they let go Luka Dancic, that

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00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: we think of players as the same I mean, we

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00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: think of the same archetypes. So then they're supposed to

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00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: go out there and run out Ad and Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have those guys out there, but now there's

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Speaker 1: an assistant coach in there, So I do wonder how

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Speaker 1: the relationship between Nico Harrison and Jason Kidd is going. Frankly,

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00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair question. The Knicks didn't have

843
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: a plan though, But when we step back and they

844
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Speaker 1: go hire a younger guy, you know, like a whether

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00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a Kenny Atkinson type, whether it's Thunder assistant Dave Bliss,

846
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: who's an incredible x's and o's type of coach as

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00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: a younger player, as a younger coach. I think it'll

848
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: be fine. But these names are making incredible headlines, and

849
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Speaker 1: that's what people want to talk about, and that's what

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00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: people are talking about in that they've asked for Delka

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00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: or Chris Fancher. Haven't gone through that process at all.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder how many names are out there. Maybe

853
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: we're not even hearing about them. Reaching out to the

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Speaker 1: Thunder for Dave Bliss, who again would be incredible, incredible coach,

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Speaker 1: similar to what Jordan Ott did or the Sons did,

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00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: and hiring Jordan a younger coach, which is entirely fine.

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00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Five guys touching the ball with the Knicks, that's what

858
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: they should want to say.

859
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: It's entirely fine. But like there is a lot of

860
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: pressure on whoever is coming in to coach the New

861
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: York Knicks. It's like it's a championship or bust done,

862
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: Like immediately it is, what do you mean? They can

863
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: go mortgaged all of their picks for a really good team,

864
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: had a good coach, had success, suddenly fire him again.

865
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: Weird a little bit weird and then don't have a

866
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: plan and who's going to replace them? Like these are

867
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: embarrassing headlines and they just look like nicks of old

868
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: quite frankly, where you're like, what was the plan here? Guys,

869
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: like you're getting just shot down here? Like so did

870
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: you think you had a legit chance at one of

871
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: these guys? Yeah?

872
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: But what if they are calling legitimate coaches and there

873
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: are other opportunities? Are there other opportunities that they are

874
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: getting some interviews for I don't I don't think it's

875
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: all negative in the end. I think moving on from

876
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Tom th Roll, Yeah, it was puzzling at the at

877
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: the moment that it happened, but then you look at

878
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: it and you say, well, yeah, different things could be

879
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: happening on the floor where five guys touch the ball,

880
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: there's there's more shots happening. There's different defensive schemes where

881
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: we play a center alongside Karl Anthony Towns, where we

882
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: play our bench more.

883
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: And to be true yet that they are convinced Tibbs

884
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: is not the guy to get them to the promise,

885
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: but also the other truth to this can be like

886
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 3: what are you doing?

887
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: Finch? Would be good.

888
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 3: Coaches right now for other teams that are actually good too.

889
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: This is the other part of this. These aren't coaches

890
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: on bad teams, all three of these guys.

891
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, before those names came out and you saw the

892
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd scenario as they brought up with the whole

893
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: story about bringing in an assistant coach and having to

894
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: deal with everything that happened in Dallas this year and

895
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: even missing one postgame press conference because he needed a rest.

896
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: As he said, I mean, you'd think that this one

897
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: was the most legitimate of all of them, and I

898
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past Jason Kidd at some point to

899
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: want to leave Dallas.

900
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, James Edwards, a third for the athletic did right,

901
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: And this was before we got confirmation that Dallas did

902
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: deny the Knicks a chance to talk to Kid. But

903
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: he said, what if Kid does prefer to coach elsewhere?

904
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: Could Kid put up enough of a stink behind the

905
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: scenes to make the organization's decision makers change their mind.

906
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: It feels like the Knicks are banking on that. Some

907
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: people think Kids just doing this to parlay the Knicks

908
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: interest into another contract extension, lucrative money and all that

909
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: that could be a part of the equation. Sure, but yeah,

910
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: you can trade a coach, by the way, for picks. Yep,

911
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: that's happened. It's happened for It's happened for Jason Kidd,

912
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: thank you. So not that the Knicks have a lot

913
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: of draft capital to do that, but yeah, it could

914
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: be done. But anyway, this is all it's just very weird.

915
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird.

916
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: It's weird for a team that was in the conference finals, especially.

917
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes it is. But like I wasn't here when

918
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 4: you guys did the Thibodeau Show. But it's kind of

919
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: like we talk about a lot of teams. If you

920
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: were going to fire him midway through the season, why

921
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: didn't you do it before they did it before? Understandable,

922
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: I think, but just weird paired up with how far

923
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 4: the Knicks went. They just I don't know. Knicks fans

924
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: didn't like their team this season at all, and they

925
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: thought this was doing a bad job until they made

926
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: a miracle run to the Conference finals. But at such

927
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: a time as a flat circle thing. Jason Kidd, at

928
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: the end of his Dallas career, left the MAVs for

929
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: the Knicks, ruined his relationship with the Mavericks at the time,

930
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: They're like, we'll never retire this guy's jersey. Now, that

931
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: was when Cuban owned the team. Obviously he came back. Also,

932
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: Jason Kidd has been traded as a coach. It hasn't

933
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 4: happened to a lot of players or a lot of coaches,

934
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: but he's one of them. So two of these things.

935
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe the MAVs should let him go.

936
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: They're not going to get a big package back, but

937
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 4: maybe they could get one first round pick late later on,

938
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: which would be fine. And if he's checked out, like

939
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: if he wants to leave, why do you want him there?

940
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

941
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm puzzled as to the relationship between Nico Harrison

942
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: and him. Does he actually want Jason Kidd to be

943
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: their head coach. I'm not entirely convinced because of trading

944
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: Luca in the first place, and having Jason kids sit

945
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: there in that press conference and having to say, yeah,

946
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: I understand he'd looked like he wasn't enthused by that

947
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: whole thing, And then you start to link up. He's

948
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: got a relationship with Jalen Brunson, having been there for

949
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: one single season, he could have you know, luc of

950
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Donchers Part two in New York going there so that

951
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: it starts the snowball like that. But this could also

952
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: just be a pr move for the Dallas Mavericks saying

953
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: maybe we just can't do this again this year. Maybe

954
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: we'll let him go next year after Jay Triano and

955
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: Shaunceweeni have a great year beside him on the bench.

956
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 3: TVD on the next coaching search, and yeah, what Dallas

957
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: does with kid? I guess all right, next headline here,

958
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm getting into the front office now from the AJC.

959
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: I'll just give you the headline here. Hawks finalizing deals

960
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: with two senior executives in the front office. So Hawk's

961
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: new general manager Ency salle are finalizing deals to hire

962
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: Pelicans GM Bryce and Graham as the team senior vice

963
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: president of basketball operations and seventy six Ers executive Dinwittie

964
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: as senior VP of Strategy and Analytics. So both those

965
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: guys trade are going to report to Sallee here and

966
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: this new front office structure in Atlanta is this news?

967
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 4: Yeah? New Dinwiddie just dropped. How about that those are

968
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: conversations between the Pelicans and the Hawks when they were

969
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: doing the Dejonte Murray trade. They must have went incredibly

970
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 4: well because they're hiring the guy that helped do the trade,

971
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 4: which worked out better for the Hawks long term, it seems,

972
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 4: at the very least. But early on in their GM search,

973
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 4: the Hawks were linked to Bob Myers, Tim Connolly, John Hammond,

974
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 4: Elton brand named gms. Instead, they're going with the first

975
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: time GM in Ansei Salle and two front office execs

976
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: that I'm sure people really tied into the league no,

977
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: but are kind of unknown to the rest of us

978
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: out here, which makes me think Quinn Snyder must have

979
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: a pretty important voice here in Atlanta. Even though he

980
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: is left over from the Landry Fields regime. He seems

981
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 4: to be the most experienced guy that's around, so I

982
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: think he'll kind of have a lot of influence on

983
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: what the team looks like, which makes me then question

984
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: will Trey Young still be around? My guess is yes

985
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: at this point, because his trade value is probably pretty

986
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 4: low all things considered. Surely they would have wanted to

987
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 4: trade him at the trade deadline or maybe last summer.

988
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: They ended up doing the Murray deal instead because they

989
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: could get something better back for it, But Quinn Snyder

990
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: didn't come to Atlanta to try and be a play

991
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: in team. He wanted to be a playoff team. And

992
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 4: I think the Hawks have a better chance of being

993
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: a playoff team if Trey Young is still around. So

994
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 4: if Quinn Snyder has a voice in the front office,

995
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 4: I think that means Trace days.

996
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: This is true, Quinn will have a huge name. I

997
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: do like the signings here. This is news because we

998
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: don't generally know these names, and I think that's entirely fine.

999
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: The fact that you get Bryson Graham who drafted Dyson

1000
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: Daniels in New Orleans. Now he was kind of under

1001
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: the wing of David Griffin there, but he led the

1002
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: drafts in New Orleans. And if you look at those names,

1003
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: those are good names. Trey Murphy got them way later

1004
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: than you should have herb Jones got him in the

1005
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: second round. Even me see in the twenties, Dison Daniels

1006
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: Jose Alvarado as a signing all great stuff.

1007
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: Yep, Naji Marshall.

1008
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: Naji Marshall going to sign him as well. So these

1009
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: two guys under sale, Yeah, makes sense. And they still

1010
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: could They still could go get a president of basketball

1011
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: operations who oversees everything. I think it's unlikely, although you

1012
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: know the AJC Lauren Williams said their search for a

1013
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: president of basketball operations will continue. It is unlikely, I think,

1014
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: but it's still an open scenario there where Sale would

1015
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: be the GM as as the guy under the president

1016
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: of basketball operations with Bryson Graham, peerre Dinwittie another Dinwitty

1017
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: who knew working under him.

1018
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trey Young is eligible for a four year, two

1019
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty eight point six million dollar max extension

1020
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: starting this July, though you can like obviously push that

1021
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: down the road if you want. So the Hawks, do

1022
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: they pay that? Do they just go max? Do they

1023
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: try and get Young to resign for a smaller amount.

1024
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: Do they look to trade them and retool the roster

1025
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: with more of their younger guys Jalen Johnson and Dexan Daniels.

1026
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: You could throw in there, and again they could just

1027
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 3: postpone that they don't have to do that right away

1028
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: and see how the season plays out. So big decisions

1029
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: from this front office. But yeah, it is funny you

1030
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: see these names and you're like, you read about them

1031
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: a little bit, like totally well respected, Like Graham's an

1032
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 3: interesting story. Like he started as an intern. It literally

1033
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: was an intern for the Pelicans, and like worked his

1034
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: way up through video coordinating and up, up, up, up

1035
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: up became their draft guru basically, like you said. So

1036
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: it's a hell of a story. And now obviously has

1037
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: a pretty executive role here with the Hawks. I like

1038
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: what the hats are doing. They've got some decisions here,

1039
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 3: Sich with the Trey Young one of it all.

1040
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it'll be twenty seven at the start of

1041
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: the season. There have been a lot of teams here

1042
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: in Atlanta built around Trey Young and they all win

1043
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 4: forty one games? So are you going to pay him

1044
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 4: four years at what did you say to two?

1045
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 3: Twenty eight would be the max extension?

1046
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot sixty million for

1047
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 4: Trey Young on into his thirties, hasn't proven that he

1048
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: can carry a team to the next level. That's a

1049
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 4: decision to make because he ain't gonna sign for a discount, No,

1050
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 4: not after being the number one guy here for a decade.

1051
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Basically, somebody's got to convince him to take a little

1052
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: bit less somehow, because he's gonna get is he gonna

1053
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: go get that Max elsewhere. I don't know.

1054
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: Well, without an extension, Young could become an unrestricted free

1055
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: agent in twenty twenty six offseason if the player option

1056
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: is declined, so it'd be a little bit down the road.

1057
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean that's a lot of money trade.

1058
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: This is like all these organizations are gonna like obviously

1059
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: are going to be staring these type of players and

1060
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: these contracts in the face. Right, Like Trey Young's very

1061
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 3: very good, but he's not top ten, he's not obviously

1062
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: top five. The guys that you're like, oh yeah, max

1063
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: extension SGA, no problem. It's these ones where you're like,

1064
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: oh my god, yep, Like what do we do? Like

1065
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: you're in a bit of a buying because they're very important,

1066
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: like in addition to being like selling merchandise, being so

1067
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 3: your face of your franchise, I mean, helping you win games,

1068
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: had some success in the post. But then it's like,

1069
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Speaker 3: this is a lot of money for a guy that

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Speaker 3: we're not even convinced, Yeah, can we build around this

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00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: guy to actually compete. It's these scary contracts here that

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00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: a lot of these teams, not just the Hawks, have

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Speaker 3: to face.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it does stink. It stinks for the Hawks and

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00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: that they weren't healthy this year either, they could have

1076
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: been more than a forty one win team if Jalen

1077
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: Johnson is playing, Because Trey Young has worked incredibly well

1078
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: with Jalen Johnson to try and show what Jalen Johnson

1079
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: can do on the floor, Jilli Johnson could have been

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00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: an All Star this year if he wasn't hurt. Then

1081
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a totally different team. It feels like and Trade

1082
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Young made more sacrifices this year than he has in

1083
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: his entire career, playing off the ball, setting off ball screens,

1084
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: more than he has his entire career. So I think

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00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: he may want maybe, okay, I should say maybe not

1086
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: want to take a discount. Maybe you'd think, yes, he'd

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00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: want to get the max money and maybe somebody maybe

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00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: he wants to go somewhere where he can win, being

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00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: that there's only two years left and he's going to

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00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: be playing if healthy, with Dyson Daniels beside him, Zachary

1091
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Speaker 1: Resochet at twenty years old next year, Jalen Johnson, hopefully

1092
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Nyaka and Kongu. You know it looks good on paper

1093
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: in an Eastern conference, that there's some room for growth.

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Speaker 4: It looks like a possible playoff team on paper. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean a conference finals run. I think seems kind

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Speaker 4: of out of the realm of possibility unless things break

1097
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: right the way they did in twenty twenty one for

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00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: that sort of team. So my guess is no extension

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Speaker 4: for Trey Young. Maybe they do it in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 4: but I think we'll be talking Trey Young trade rumors

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Speaker 4: come next February.

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Speaker 3: Final piece of news here ESPN with the headline Cavaliers

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00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: Darius Garland has toe surgery out four to five months.

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Speaker 3: The toe, Yeah, that toe that he got banged up,

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Speaker 3: I guess at the end of March, missed a couple

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00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: regular season games, then it got reaggravated in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: He did miss what four playoff games? I think total

1108
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: look pretty hampered. But he's getting the surgery. They say

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00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 3: he'll make a full recovery. He'll resume basketball activities by

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00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 3: the start of training camp in October. John's I'd say

1111
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: he's likely to miss the start of the regular season.

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Speaker 3: But this is the guys who's name also coming up

1113
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: in a lot of trade rumors. In fact, I saw

1114
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: the Sacramento King's graphic showing me, Trey Young in a

1115
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: King's jersey and Darius Garland in a king's jersey. They

1116
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: want to point guard. How ironic is that they used

1117
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: to have two really good ones but they're both gone anyway, Garland,

1118
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 3: is this news at all to you? The surgery?

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Speaker 1: I would say it's news in that the Calves aren't

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Speaker 1: going to trade him during this injury, and I think

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00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: this just indicates that they're going to try and go

1122
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: forward again with Garland and Mitchell in the back court.

1123
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Speaker 1: Now it's probably news because if there is one name

1124
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Speaker 1: that's on the board to be traded in Jared Allen,

1125
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: that increases the chances of him being dealt. That's why

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Speaker 1: it makes it news for me. I think Garland's going

1127
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: to be there, are going to get one more shot,

1128
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Speaker 1: but maybe they go with MOBILEI at five and try

1129
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: and downsize a little bit after flaming out once again,

1130
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: which was in part because of those injuries, as you said,

1131
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: But I think they do give it another shot with

1132
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Speaker 1: Garland and Mitchell.

1133
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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, Unfortunately, Garland has been banged up quite a

1134
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: bit during his career, even dating back to college. I

1135
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: think he played like five games in college, So it's

1136
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: kind of been a little bit of a run. Sucks

1137
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 4: for him, but at least it's early, like he'll probably

1138
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: miss the first month month and a half of the season,

1139
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 4: likely back up to speed around Christmas time, you know,

1140
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: once he's been back on the court and getting into

1141
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 4: the flow of things. So this might work out okay

1142
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 4: for the Calves because I think you're right. It makes

1143
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: it pretty tricky to trade him this summer. Who's going

1144
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 4: to trade for a guy who has been hurt and

1145
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 4: is currently coming off of surgery. So it probably means

1146
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 4: Garland is sticking in Cleveland. And if Garland sticking in Cleveland,

1147
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 4: I'm with you, maybe Jared Allen becomes more tradable, but

1148
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: they probably bring him back. You've got the injury to

1149
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum. The Calves already had the best record in

1150
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference this past season. If you think that

1151
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 4: things are going to be down in the East, it

1152
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 4: makes sense to just run your team back and try

1153
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: and beef up things around the outside. You know, that

1154
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 4: was Max Strews two summers ago. Maybe they can do

1155
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 4: something a little bit bigger than Max Struce. But I

1156
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: think we're gonna see basically the same Calves team, and

1157
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 4: they just have to hope that their guys are healthy

1158
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: when it comes playoff time, because that hasn't been the

1159
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: case the past two years. Garland only played five playoff

1160
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 4: games this year. Mobley was banged up the previous season,

1161
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: Jared Allen went out with like a punctured lung or

1162
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: something like that. Had guys get banged up in the playoffs,

1163
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: which is part of the reason they've been underwhelming. But

1164
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 4: they have been underwhelming. That's just the question of how

1165
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 4: good can the Cavs be when they've got two small

1166
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 4: guards on the defensive end. They're a great defensive team

1167
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: in the regular season. They get beat up a little

1168
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 4: bit in the playoffs, it feels like with physicality. So

1169
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 4: I think that's an area of growth for Mobili and

1170
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 4: for Allan. But I assume the Caves will run back

1171
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 4: their current team and be really good in the regular

1172
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: season at least lat season.

1173
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Speaker 3: And what does this mean for ty Jerome and Possibility.

1174
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 3: I mean, we talked a lot about who he might

1175
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: be the guy gets squeezed here because of all the

1176
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: money they have sort of top heavy to their talented players.

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00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 3: But now is there like, oh, we sort of really

1178
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: lean into trying to keep him on this roster because

1179
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: maybe it does take Darius Garland a little while to

1180
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: get back into game shape, even though you're expecting him

1181
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: back around October. But you can slow play that and

1182
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: maybe lean towards him as your backup point guard. But

1183
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: sliding in there for a start a minutes possibility.

1184
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Speaker 1: But they have so much money dedicated elsewhere. They have

1185
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighteen million. Next year, they're the number

1186
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: two team in terms of money. Locked in Boston is

1187
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: number one, but after this offseason, Evan Mobley's new contract

1188
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: kicks in at forty six per. They've got money tied

1189
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: into everywhere. DeAndre Hunter, Maxtruce being those guys that you know,

1190
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: maybe they're tradable, and you can add Ti Jerome and said,

1191
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: but I think you're probably going to see the same

1192
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: Cavs team go into next season unless the Allen deal

1193
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: is the one that they move on from. But then

1194
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: they will miss his defense incredibly.

1195
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Speaker 3: All Right, So those are your headlines. Let's hear from you, guys,

1196
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: Newsworthy or not. When it comes to the ratings and

1197
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: the coaching vacancy with the New York Knicks and Garland's

1198
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: injury and so on. Let's get to the prime moment

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Speaker 3: of the week.

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Speaker 4: We haven't seen Victor Wembinnama on a basketball court it's

1201
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: the All Star Game. But we have seen him on

1202
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 4: the internet. First in that picture with all of the

1203
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 4: other Spurs rookies of the year where it looked like

1204
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: suddenly he's eight feet tall, and then June kicked in

1205
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: and Wemby was suddenly everywhere. Apparently he challenged a San

1206
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 4: Antonio teen by the name of Miller Borushko to a

1207
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: game of horse just because he saw him shooting around,

1208
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 4: so Lemby wanted to get a gay man. Apparently Wemby

1209
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 4: won this game with a lefty three pointer, though Miller

1210
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 4: was able to get an H and an oh. Okay,

1211
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 4: so Wemby wasn't dunking. We can assume yeah, exactly. I

1212
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 4: think the guy said that. Miller said that he's like

1213
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 4: he wasn't just dunky. He could have easily beaten Bee.

1214
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 4: He just went for that, but I guess the lefty

1215
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: three did it. We've seen that kind of thing before,

1216
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 4: a player going against a kid, yep, a local kid.

1217
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 4: Very cool, but we have maybe not seen something like this.

1218
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: Wemby in China spotted at a shaolin temple with a

1219
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 4: shaved head, who apparently part of a ten day trip

1220
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 4: to China before he returns to San Antonio, where he'll

1221
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 4: be going with this his contingent to Summer League. Everybody

1222
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: was saying, there has never been among this tall at all.

1223
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is I don't know what

1224
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: room this is in, but you can see him towering

1225
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 4: over literally everybody by about two x their height. Would say,

1226
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: this looks amazing. But yeah, Wemby is getting his body right,

1227
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: he's getting his mind right. And the question I'm left

1228
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 4: after seeing this, does he listen to the Wu Tang

1229
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 4: clan because we've seen him in New York playing chess.

1230
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Speaker 4: There is a Wu Tang song about playing chess.

1231
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: Wow.

1232
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: Yes, they call themselves the Shoolin Monks basically enter the

1233
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 4: thirty six chambers. Now, clearly Wu Tang clan came way

1234
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 4: before Wemby's time.

1235
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you could see.

1236
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 4: Him wearing one of those hockey jerseys with the W

1237
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 4: the Wu war that would look awesome on him. So

1238
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: that's what I need somebody to follow up on. Is

1239
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 4: this guy a Wu Tang clan fan? And who's his

1240
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 4: favorite probably Rizza good stuff.

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00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,800
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's the Wu Tang clan. As we saw there

1245
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: from Wemby, he looks. I mean, I was like, oh god,

1246
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: he's better already, just shaving his head. I was like,

1247
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 3: oh boys, it's over. I don't know I had this

1248
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 3: reaction to him. I was like, oh, no, said but

1249
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: Tim Duncan went ball at one point he went with

1250
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: the shaved head. Yeah, he leveled up from what I remember,

1251
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 3: and it was obviously earlier on when he was younger.

1252
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: So scared for the rest of the league.

1253
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, there's no doubt he's mentally right. He's

1254
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: locked in. Absolutely. My question Trey being in or seeing

1255
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: his shaved head, or you inspired to shave that head

1256
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: even more so this summer because you talked about it

1257
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: as a possibility.

1258
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 3: You want to go full monk.

1259
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: I went and got my hair cut this week, and

1260
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: as you can see, I didn't pull the trick. Yeah,

1261
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 4: I cut my.

1262
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: Hair a little bit long, clarly.

1263
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I told my barber. I was like, I'm conflicted.

1264
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 4: Should I get it short for the summer or should

1265
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 4: I keep it a little long on both sides. He's like,

1266
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: let's split the difference. So you know, he trimmed me

1267
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 4: down pretty pretty tight on the sides. I got home

1268
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: and my kids were like, Dad, I can see your

1269
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 4: head through your hair. Oh so I don't know.

1270
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Speaker 3: All right, good stuff.

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: We'll call it there.

1272
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: We were back tomorrow morning here from the Classic Factory

1273
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,240
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1274
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,320
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Speaker 3: a really entertaining Game three to really dissect tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Till then, clever ros, you heard it here first, have

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Speaker 4: a great time, turn up, Love you guys, awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, and remember the Orlando Magic have

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Speaker 1: new jerseys next year. We talked about it last week

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Speaker 1: and the Orlando Magic came and commented on our video

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Speaker 1: and said, get those gift cards ready. Yes, you're seeing

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Speaker 1: your comment here on YouTube because We talked about getting

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Speaker 1: them with our own gift cards, so we'll get them

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Speaker 1: ready after you send them to us.

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Speaker 3: Let's go at discount code.

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Speaker 1: If anyone up the sales of Orlando Magic jerseys, it

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Speaker 1: was us. I don't know how to count views on.

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Speaker 3: NBA one billion in Brace the Eight People