1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to another offseason edition 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: of Fantasy Football Weekly with your host John mcgaze at 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: John mcgaze on Twitter. Hit us up with any questions, 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: my friend and yours, mister Jake Trowbridge running backs or 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: all the talk right now? Jake, it's because of that 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: right kind of perceived week draft class. We're now seeing 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: the impacts of that on drafting rooms. What's hold on 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: to You? Ready for a jam packed RB episode? 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm ready, I'm ready. 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: The question is are the listeners ready to get all 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: the all goods on these you know? I was I 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: don't know what the title of this thing's gonna be 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: when it comes out, John, But when I was referring 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: to these, you know, murky backfields, initially I was calling 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: them muddy backfields, and I decided I'm gonna stop doing 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: that because it sounds too much like a euphemism that 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: you'd hear in a commercial for pepto bismol or something. 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: Muddy backfield. 21 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy. So messy backfields 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: let's let's maybe go with that. 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe be careful typing that one into Google. You 24 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: never know in front of people, you never know it's 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: gonna come up. Maybe not safe for work. All right, 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: So the discussion topic today is write those you know, 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: vague backfields right where it's kind of a gray area 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: and chaos being a ladder, Fantasy football being a game 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: of attrition. League are gonna be one and lost on 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 2: how you play these right, whether it's at the draft 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: table or in season. I think having a good idea 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: these murky backfields what it's like. So we have half 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: a dozen of them. I want to thank you for 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: putting them together. I do agree with the teams. We'll 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: get through them. First up is Washington. I'm gonna just 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: try and set the table as quick as I can, 37 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: and then we'll go from there because it's really just 38 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: an open form here. What do we think? Do we 39 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: like the lead? Are we off the lead? Do we 40 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: like the backup? Or we on both of them or 41 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: none of them or anything in between. So we start 42 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: with the Commanders. You know, they were number one in 43 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: your you have to contact per rush, top five in 44 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: rush rate, although they were fifteenth in running back rush 45 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: yards per game, right because they do run. It was 46 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels. It was also a little bit of Mariota 47 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: looking kind of spry at times. So right now the 48 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: room is constituted. They bring in Rashad White ADP one 49 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: to eleven from Tampa. He had two top ten weeks, 50 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: zero top five weeks. My quick note was he was 51 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: better than expected, running, not as much kind of plotted. 52 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: He was a little bit better than I thought. Then 53 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: we have JCM, everyone's favorite seventh rounder from last year, 54 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: ADP one twenty one, so right off the bat right 55 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: very close. He had two top ten weeks, one top 56 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: five week, a little bit of ceiling. I have good 57 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: yak Ypa, especially given the amount of eight men boxes 58 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: that he faced. I was a little surprised with what 59 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 2: I saw from j CM. And then k Tron Allen, 60 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: the rookie ADP two hundred and six rounder out of 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: Penn State, and I noticed a pretty good balance of 62 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: volume and catches decent amount of touchdowns. So where are 63 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: you on Washington? Rushad White is one of the bean 64 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: risers lately. I think just as people died just what's 65 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: going on. He appears to be the RB one and 66 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: that EDP is a little bit cheap for RB one's 67 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: nowadays you have to pick one hundred. What do you 68 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: think about the commander's backfield, Jake. 69 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, John, I think that's gonna be a recurring theme 70 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: throughout this episode. 71 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: Probably is. 72 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: You know, with all of these we're going to talk about, 73 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: they're all so cheap with very few exceptions that you 74 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: can take shots wherever you like on any of these. 75 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: It's not a big commitment. You know, if it doesn't 76 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: work out, you can drop them without too much regret. 77 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: So we're just looking for guys that can hit, and 78 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: if they do, you know, you'll be on a much 79 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: more linear route to the Fantasy Championships, like people who 80 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: got Javonte Williams last year. That's the kind of thing 81 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: that we're looking at with this. Of course, Paul Charchion 82 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: always called it the do the Opposite strategy aka zero RB, 83 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: and Rashad White is a heck of a zero RB 84 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: or do the opposite kind of running back because you 85 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: nailed it. I'm not gonna say that he's a great 86 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: pure runner because he's not. But he's a little better 87 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: than he gets credit for. And he's so good at 88 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: earning targets out of the backfield. I think that's where 89 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: I want to start with Washington, is which of these 90 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: guys do I think can actually be the checkdown option 91 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: for Jane Daniels, even though he doesn't check down a ton. 92 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I think it's the most valuable thing. Because this team 93 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: also had a change of offensive coordinator, John, We're going 94 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: from Cliff Kingsbury to David Blow. Yeah, Blau was there 95 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: as the QB assistance coach last year. I don't really 96 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: know what that means other than, hey, you're comfortable being around. 97 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: The practice field. 98 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: I suppose David Blow, though we don't know what his 99 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: tendencies are going to be. We know Cliff Kingsbury was 100 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: very good at just getting a good rushing offense. But 101 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, first year OC John, do you think it 102 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: makes sense like I do to say I'm gonna target 103 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: the veterans on this team because of that, because the 104 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: new guy coming in probably needs a little bit of 105 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: help that way. 106 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, especially in the running back room here. 107 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: I think with Sean White is one of the veterans here, 108 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: you know he's gonna know where to be and how 109 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: to produce, and you know the EPA and success rates 110 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: were better than I thought. He's actually getting me onto 111 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: Rashad White and maybe away from JCM, who feels like 112 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: again you mentioned White's how prolific he is in the 113 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: past game. Jayden Daniels is so good with RPO stuff. 114 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: This could be a match made in heaven. And yeah, 115 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: I think he's going entirely too late. Even if you're 116 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: gonna give up a little bit of maybe goal line equity, 117 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: I think that's fine at the price. So going through this, 118 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: I think I'm into Rashad White. I think maybe a 119 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: little lower on merrity. Maybe it's just a few picks 120 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: too high. And I think I like Alan. You know, 121 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: if you're doing these Best Bowl drafts and you're looking 122 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: to just fill in to backfill, I'm not sure i'd 123 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: be so into him in redraft. And then they also 124 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: have Jerome Ford, but I think that's a little bit 125 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: outside of our scope. Next up would be Tennessee oh 126 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: Man audible sigh. If you couldn't pick up on the 127 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: audible side, uh led with So my notes say, despite 128 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: the third lowest heavy box rate, they were still a 129 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: bottom five ozer line and a bottom five rushing offense 130 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: in terms of rush rate, rush per game, EPA, rush 131 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: yards per game, yards before contact per rush, rush success rate, 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: and explosive rush rate, so basically every single thing that 133 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: matters analytically. They did draft the fifth round guard, but 134 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: they're also ranked again to be bottom five going forward. 135 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: He got powered ADP seventy six. He had one top 136 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: five week. You get volume, but the efficiency not great. 137 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: He really is a pass game asset. Taji Spears pick 138 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: one sixty two, not a single top ten week. I 139 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: put same archetype as Pollared, but worse. I just think 140 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: Pollard is a much better player in both assets of 141 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: the game. And then they drafted Nicolas Singleton. He's only 142 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: EDP one ninety, which is a little bit high for 143 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: a third back, and a couple of thousand yard seasons 144 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: looks like some injuries and some low volume in the 145 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: last one, and he can catch the ball. I think 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm just like so out on Tennessee until I see it. 147 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: People are excited about Ward. He could take a step forward. 148 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: They also have not done much in the way of 149 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: protecting him, mister Jake, And That's where I'm worried and 150 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: how defenses kind of react to that right. When you 151 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: don't present a threat to every blade of grass, defenses adjust, 152 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: and I think that kind of rolls downhill. So I'm 153 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: off the Titans. You have anything different. I mean, I've 154 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: landed on Pollard where he's fallen, just to be honest 155 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: when my roster rate comes out. But I'm not into 156 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: the Titans this year. 157 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm getting more interested in the Titans actually, 158 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: as I realized the pieces they added outside of that 159 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: guard and Nick Singleton, you know, they did add a 160 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: pretty solid wide receiver. A lot of folks seem to 161 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: think fourth overall in the draft by adding Carnal Tate, 162 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: they bring in Wanda Robinson. Maybe those guys can actually 163 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: keep the offense humming along more where all of the 164 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: guys in this backfield get more opportunities. That's the hope 165 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: at least. And of course bringing in Brian Dable change 166 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: of offensive coordinator. 167 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: He's been good. 168 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: You know, he has a good history of utilizing his 169 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: running backs. Probably more important, he has a good history 170 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: of emphasizing one running back, which is not common in 171 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: a lot of these backfields. We're talking about John So 172 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: that's why I'm into Tony Pollard, thinking that based on 173 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: Nicholas Singleton. You know, he broke his foot before the 174 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: senior ball. I think that's part of the reason that 175 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: caused him to slide down draft boards, and so Tony 176 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: Pollard should be the one who at least gets the 177 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: hot start, and you know in redraft that's more valuable 178 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: and his adp for a guy who's put up a 179 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: thousand yard rushing seasons four years in a row and 180 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: hovers around thirteen hundred scrimmage yards. 181 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I'm kind of enticed by it. John. 182 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: I The issue is how long will Tony Pollard keep 183 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: that role? And will because I agree, I don't think 184 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: ty J. Spears is much to worry about. So I'm 185 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: just showing him away and I'm waiting on Nicholas Singleton 186 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: to get healthy. Maybe that's when he sneaks in and 187 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: then this rupts this whole thing, and then you're kind 188 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: of screwed. 189 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, the audio only people couldn't see, you know, luckily 190 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: for them my face and cheshire Cat's smile, because I 191 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: was a huge proponent of Tony Pollard last year. But 192 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: remember those total stats could be a little bit misleading. 193 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: By the time he was delivering. It was a little 194 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: too late for me. Although I don't want to blame 195 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: it on Pollard. I went down the Bucky Irving road 196 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: last year. That injury kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed. 197 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: You can't really keep fulling behind in fantasy football. Maybe 198 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: I wasn't proactive enough, but I did fall for it. 199 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: But it was funny with Pollard, who just I mean 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: by the time we were into week twelve, right, so 201 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: the two games after coming out of the by when 202 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: you're like, okay, maybe we'll get explosive again, he goes 203 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: ten for twenty two, then eleven for twenty. I made 204 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: a few catches but only total twenty five receiving yards, 205 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: and then like who would have funk it? You know, 206 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: he just went absolutely crazy. So he's also n plus one. 207 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: We talked about those lower body inches removed from Matt 208 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: tightrope surgery. Pollard was like a top ten overall pick 209 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: like two years ago. So I think I'm with you. 210 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: I think I am buying it again because of the price. 211 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: I also want to take a little bit of a 212 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: lowercase L on Tait And it's just like you mentioned, 213 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: the the draft capital is so high. Think about where 214 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: we were taking Marvin Harrison. Now that didn't work out, 215 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: and maybe this is an example of kind of once 216 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 2: bitten twice shy, But just to equate draft capital to 217 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: fantasy draft capital, you gotta think his sixty ADYP Tate 218 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: is a steal for we went in the draft, right. 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm more lukewarm on Carnal Tait as an individual fantasy 220 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: asset than most. I like him to hopefully help the 221 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: offense overall. And so if you're somebody in a two 222 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: QB league who wants to draft, you know, cam Ward 223 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: or again wants to invest in one of these running backs. 224 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: I like Carnal Tait for that. For real life. 225 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little lukewarm because I actually think his ADP 226 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: is too high. Personally, I think he gets a pro 227 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: ready wide receiver. That's fine, But I don't see this 228 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: crazy high ceiling that a lot of people do. 229 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, a lot of it is just based on 230 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: draft capital, and we've seen that mislead. But I'm a 231 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: price guy. I have not drafted Tait once. I tend 232 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: to be that kind of strict drafted Jake. I do 233 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: a lot of zeroing out. I zero out a lot 234 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: of teams in a lot of situations. I don't like 235 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: to put my hard earned money on players and teams 236 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: I don't really believe in. I like to see it. 237 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: First call me and Missouri, all right, next our third backfield, 238 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: that's buddy is Pittsburgh, right. We generally think of as 239 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: a running team. This is kind of interesting. Pittsburgh last 240 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: year bottom five in attemps per game. That's a running team. 241 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: With the Steelers or any Aaron Rodgers team. They move 242 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: like they're in molasses. However, they were top ten and 243 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: success rate. They do it well, low play volume in general, 244 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: like I mentioned. So it's Jalen Warren ADP seventy five. 245 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: He had three top ten weeks, one top five week, 246 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: and I have to admit this is one of the 247 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: reasons that I'm very glad to be doing the show 248 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: because when I kind of uncovered this stone, I was 249 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: really impressive what I saw from Warren. I were underrated 250 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: duel threat, you get efficiency, plus there was volume. I 251 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: didn't realize it, you know, kind of got out shown 252 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: by gain Well a little bit, who was fantastic. But 253 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: now he's gone. They bring in Rico Daudo, who I 254 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: put slightly better runner, but not much. He's the biggest, 255 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: so he's probably in line for all the you know, 256 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: empty calorie work, maybe a little bit more of the 257 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: goal one work. But man, I'm kind of getting into 258 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: Jalen Warren at ADP seventy five. What do you think 259 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: about the Steelers backfield? It's also split. They're a little 260 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: more expensive where I don't think you could take them both. 261 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: I think you have to have a stand here if 262 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: you like someone for Pittsburgh. 263 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, John, I think they're more expensive than the rest 264 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: of these guys. Because even though the Steelers had what 265 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: the fifth lowest team rushing attempts last year, because as 266 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: you said, they moved so slow, Warren and Gainwell were 267 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: the only backfield mates to eclip eclipse a thousand scrimmage 268 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: yards each, which is wild. That just speaks to how 269 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: efficient that both of them were, and frankly, how much 270 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: old man Rogers just dumped that ball off because he 271 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: was terrified if anybody on the defense looked at him 272 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: the wrong way. So I think leaning into that run 273 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: game was obviously a necessity. Maybe Michael Pittman coming on 274 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: board with this team gives him another option to feel 275 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: comfortable getting the ball out quick but not necessarily having 276 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: it go to one of these running backs or if 277 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: you're one of these Sikos out there, John, who've been 278 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: doing you know, a million rookie dynasty drafts. At this point, 279 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: this Eli Heidenreich name keeps popping up, and oh, we 280 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: have another next CMC, so drop the balloons. That's the 281 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: thousandth player that we've heard is going to be the 282 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: next CMC with zero actual basis for that other than 283 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: he caught a bunch of passes at Navy, so he's 284 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: got to be the same guy. But John, can we 285 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: at least agree Caleb Johnson is gone right, like completely 286 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility of coming back. 287 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: Is that fair at. 288 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: Least for right now, especially after the draft pick here 289 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: and all the reports coming out, And I think, if anything, 290 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: you know, lessons learned because I unfortunately bought some of 291 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: that last season, and there's a place for rookies. You 292 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: just shouldn't really paying up for it, you know, because 293 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: you're oftentimes paying for the production that hasn't happened. And 294 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: I've joked about it before on my own show. On 295 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: this show, sometimes there's value and just knowing where to 296 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: stand right. Veterans know where to stand. They understand Cole's 297 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: and how to do audibles and be in the right 298 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: place at the right time. And we know, particularly in Pittsburgh, 299 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: there is a tax for not standing in the right place. 300 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: It's called the not standing in the right place tax. 301 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: And Aaron Rodgers make sure to get his pound of 302 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: black and yellow flesh every time that you betray him 303 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: on that it's the truth. Will he will grab you 304 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: by the face mask like you will hear it in 305 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: the press conferences and stuff, and then you see it 306 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: in the utilization. So I think you make a real 307 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: you make a well, you make a lot of great points, 308 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: but the usage point. If you saw me scrambling to 309 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: my post it note, I want to make sure that 310 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: I go back and circle all of these backfields you 311 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: mentioned Tony Pollard having a good route to singular use. 312 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: One hundred percent agreed that that's mostly gone the way 313 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: of the Dodo Jake. We're looking for two running back right. 314 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: That was the real point that I took from that 315 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: is ooh, a backfield with only two and not three 316 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: really boosts both of their value. Maybe I have to 317 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: pump the brakes on what I was saying about them 318 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: being a little too expensive. They are more expensive than 319 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: other tandems. But man, if you think even at a 320 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: slower rate and a lower like a smaller pie, that 321 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: they're going to be splitting all of it, which is 322 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: all the pass catching, all the garbage time, all the 323 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: end zone work. Young man, I think I'm getting sold 324 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: on the Pittsburgh Backs. I haven't really drafted them, but 325 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: I think I'm going through it. And again we saw 326 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: Rogers just hyper target game. Well, a little bit of 327 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: that goes to war and he's a smash. Well, let 328 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: me give you a little bit more. 329 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: Just onto the fire here real quick, John, because I'm 330 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: gonna get you drafting both of these guys. 331 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: So many times by the end of this offseason. 332 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: The Steelers also have i would say, arguably the easiest 333 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: first half schedule of any team in the NFL. In 334 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: their first eight weeks, they're only going against one team 335 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: with a winning percentage in twenty twenty five, and that's 336 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: New England. The rest of these seven teams collected having 337 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: a total win loss record last year of forty six 338 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: wins and seventy three losses. Obviously, things change. We can't 339 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: just assume it's going to be the same year year 340 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: over year. But if you're looking at a team that's 341 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: gonna have positive game scripts, which we often need for 342 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: running backs, especially split backfield, to be. 343 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: Successful, then I think this is the one to go with. 344 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Don And both have three down potential, so I think 345 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: both can handle the workload. Doudo does have the connection 346 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy coming in from their year really or 347 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: year and a half, I guess in Dallas. So if 348 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: I had to choose, when, I'm going Dado, but I'll 349 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: take both. 350 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: Wow, another awesome point. You had me scrambling to my 351 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: post it notes again about early scheduling, dude, it matters. 352 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: I have ignored it too often in redraft, where you 353 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: want to get out to a good start, they might 354 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: be injuries you don't plan for Week fifteen. In redraft, 355 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: get out to a good start. Those players have more 356 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: value out of the box. I think that was really great. 357 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: Sorry to rush on now, and I'm glad we got 358 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 2: that in. All right, So that's three of the six teams. 359 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: Let's take about at a quick breather, let's circle back. 360 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: I have another three teams that I really want to 361 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: get into. I think we're making good pace and we're 362 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: going to get through everything today. All right, Jake, let's 363 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: start a page into the second half here. Next up, 364 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: it's the Patriots, now a team that people are really 365 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: excited about, and another team right with that kind of 366 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 2: two had a backfield. They were sixth in rush yarts 367 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: per game, but eleventh in running back rush arts for him, 368 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: of course, Drake may taking that up. I wanted to 369 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: look at the goal to go carries. Henderson had sixteen 370 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: led the way, Mandre fifteen May thirteen, but Romandre did 371 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: miss three games in the middle of the season. They 372 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: faced the second heaviest, heaviest, highest box rate, and then 373 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: you know it's I just wrote the word frustrating in 374 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: the biggest letters that I could, where it didn't go 375 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: across the line. You know. The biggest surprise to me 376 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: was that in the games together, Romandre actually out snapped 377 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 2: Trevion when the Patriots were tied or trailing. They had 378 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: the same amount of targets, but Mandre actually had one 379 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: hundred more receiving yards. The reason I mentioned that is 380 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: I think I kind of been these players as thunder 381 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: and lightning. Right, It's very easy for us to do 382 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: that there's a bigger back that rungs and a more 383 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: scatty back that catches. That's not always the case for 384 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: Mare was a really good runner. He was also pretty 385 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: darn good in the past game man, their ADPs are 386 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: fifty one Henderson seventy five Madre who I think maybe 387 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: those should be flipped, And that, again is not a 388 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: very popular opinion. I was not drafting Henderson last year 389 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: because I was worried. We did see the potential in 390 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: those games about Stevenson, so that to say, it's still 391 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: it's a lot of gray matter going on here. What 392 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: do you think about the pet about the Patriots backs. 393 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, John, I don't. 394 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: I don't know why didn't Henderson's ADP drop like at 395 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: all from last year. It feels like this is right 396 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: around where folks were drafting him last year. And I 397 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: understand the upside is very enticing. I get it, but 398 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: I just would have assumed he would have dropped down 399 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: because of the disappointment he gave everybody last year. And 400 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: I guess folks are looking at the end of year 401 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: stat totals, which I'm victim of doing sometimes myself. But 402 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: if you look at the time where Henderson actually started 403 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: to shine. It wasn't until week nine of last year, 404 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: and that's when Ramondra Stevenson got injured, as you said. 405 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: And when Stevenson got healthy again, then he was again 406 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: playing a lot more snaps than Henderson was because he's 407 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: a better pass blocker and a better pass catcher even 408 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: than Henderson was. I think the assumption was Henderson will 409 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: grow into this role as a receiving back, and he might. 410 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: He might, but Ramondre Stevenson looked better than he did. 411 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: And I just want to focus on the snap counts 412 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: from week thirteen on because that's when Ramondre came back 413 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: from his injury and was basically healthy. And you talked 414 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: about the snap counts. But week thirteen on, including the 415 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: actual NFL playoffs, Remondre Stevenson three hundred and eighty snaps 416 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson two hundred and twelve snaps. That's a wild 417 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: difference at the tail end of the season. To still 418 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: have a guy like that have such high ADP and 419 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: to have the ADPs not flipped like you said, so, 420 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. You give me Ramondre Stevenson a few 421 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: rounds later if eventually things shift, I'll adapt, I'll move, 422 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: i'll trade, I'll drop him to waivers, whatever. But I'm 423 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: not going to start with Henderson on thessumption that he's 424 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: just gonna come out of the box looking great. 425 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: There's no reason to think that. I mean, and the 426 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: playoff touchcounts were very heavily in favor of Stevenson thirteen 427 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: to ten against the Chargers, twenty to thirteen Houston, twenty 428 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: five to three at Denver. That's a blowout, and then 429 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: twelve nine Seattle, Like there wasn't a single time where 430 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: they said when the chips are down, Henderson is the guy. 431 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: He's just And it might be and Henderson drifters, might 432 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: get lucky. Maybe Stevenson, you know, hits the lottery and 433 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: goes into that mindful this retreat I'm always talking about. Maybe, 434 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: and then there's a case that Trevion could legit be 435 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: the RB one or among at least the top five 436 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: running backs. But until then, I think you're overpaying. And Stevenson, 437 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 2: to me at least is the most obvious smash zero 438 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: RP pick ever, right because generally when I go zero RB, 439 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: I'm asking myself, Jay, are there any points in Week one? 440 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: Are there anything? Because where I've made the mistake is 441 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: having the pendulum swing too far leave myself out in 442 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: the cold in the early weeks. Right, So would you 443 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: buy that like Rashad White and Ramandre Stevenson are going 444 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: to score points week one? Yes or no? 445 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: I say yes, and I say definitively yes, and so 446 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: I think yeah, redraft and by the way, and I 447 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: will say even dynasty value for Trey Van Henderson way 448 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: too inflated. That's another one that took zero hit based 449 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: off of a performance last year. And I don't get 450 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: it in either format. 451 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. Sometimes this is really interesting when we 452 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: talk about market machinations and going against the trend and 453 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: wisdom of the crowd, sometimes you have to be willing 454 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: to say, like no, and you know, again, we're not 455 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: taking a player in the three hundred snowes I've heard of. 456 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: We're talking about an accomplished like back with success on 457 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: a winning team that's healthy and leading the way. I 458 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: don't know, it's weird. I asked her if they could 459 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: both score week one. I should have asked, can lead 460 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: the running back room in Fantasy points Week one? And 461 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: again the answer Jeffs. Next team up, Carolina Panthers. Okay, 462 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: so they were top twelve in rush rate, but bottom 463 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: ten in explosive rush rate. They're also thirtieth in rushing touchdowns. 464 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: You got Twoba Harbard his back ADP seventy three. He 465 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: had three top ten weeks, not a single top five week. 466 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: There's a question about ceiling here. We know what happened 467 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: when he got replaced by Rico Dawdel. I have not 468 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: been drafting Harvard at all. His ADP is now converging 469 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: with backup Jonathan Brooks. I haven't listed at one five, 470 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: but I've been in these draft room, Jake. They're getting 471 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: closer to about the low nineties. They're both they're going 472 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: next to each other in the low nineties. So ADP, 473 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: let me get closer to the season. We'll be using 474 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: tighter windows for larger samples. But John Brooks, I mean, 475 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: he had a really great twenty twenty three, but last 476 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: I checked, it's twenty twenty six. We haven't seen much 477 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: from him. They are over the moon about this guy. Though. 478 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: There was not a single report out of that teams 479 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: camp that does not include Brooks and how he looks 480 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: like he could be everything. So again, to me, if 481 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: you're playing for two types of ceiling in zero RB 482 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: Stevenson and White being that more vanilla lower higher floor, 483 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: lower ceiling Brooks. If this works out right, he could 484 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: be the RB one by week three, maybe sooner if 485 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: he outperforms him. In camp. We saw the Panthers be 486 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: willing to go away from Hubbard. So what do you 487 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: think about the Brooks room. You started nudging me into Brooks, 488 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: and the more I've looked, the more I've liked. Again, 489 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: the price is getting high. So I saw you nodding, 490 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: where's the cutoff for Brooks? Make sure you include that, please. 491 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the cutoff if Brooks starts going, you know, into 492 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: this dead zone running back area, which to me starts 493 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: at around round six round seven, when he starts creeping 494 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: up at around six in round seven, as we get 495 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: more and more positive reports, I'm assuming that'll happen. I 496 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: don't know for sure. Then I'm gonna be out just 497 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: because we're still talking about a guy who's had two 498 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: ACL tears, you know, in the last two years to 499 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: the same AC, and I know he's gotten some distance 500 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: from the injury, and I'm excited to see what his 501 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: upside can look like but it's store up to bank 502 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: on something like that right now. But I do want 503 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: to try to follow the money on this, John, because 504 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: that's in these dicey backfields where you're just trying to 505 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: figure out who could be the real lead back. I 506 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: was working my way through this, and so the Panthers 507 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: signed Toba Hubbard to a four year extension thirty three million, 508 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: a few months only after spending their second round pick 509 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: on Brooks, and Brooks was coming into the season injured. 510 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: Obviously he was still recovering from that first ACL injury, 511 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: but Hubbard gave him a ton of or Hubbard got 512 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: a ton of money before Brooks tore the ACL a 513 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: second time, so they were already The Panther is being like, 514 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: we want Hubbard to be our guy, but I don't 515 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: know that it matters anymore, John, because a year prior 516 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: to that, they gave Miles Sanders. 517 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: Remember that guy. They gave Miles Sanders. 518 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: Almost an equivalent contract, And then we're just like, no, 519 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: it's through this guy. 520 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: We're moving on. 521 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: He says he's terrible. We're turning the backfield over to Hubbard. 522 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: So if Brooks is really as good as they're saying, 523 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: and they spent that second round pick on him, he 524 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: could absolutely leap frog Hubbard. And he does have a 525 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: higher ceiling, a much lower floor, but a way higher ceiling. 526 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: Like you said, So, I'm kind of willing to absorb 527 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: the risk here. 528 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: Yep, one hundred percent love it, especially in redraft where 529 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: the floor is zero. Okay, snip snip, ceil aer pal. 530 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: You know, thanks for playing where again best ball, and 531 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: these year long commitments. It's a little harder to pay 532 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 2: the premium without at least the information that we want. Now, 533 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: keep in mind that I'm kind of setting you up here, Jay. 534 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: If you had the guess of the one hundred and 535 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: thirty four rush attempts that Chew Bahabber had in twenty 536 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 2: twenty five, do you know exactly how many went from 537 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: more than twenty yards? 538 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: Ooh, more than twenty It's. 539 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: How many twenty yard rushing a Bobber had in twenty 540 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: twenty five. 541 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: I'll give him one just to be nice. 542 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the zero. And you know there's a lack of 543 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: explosivity here, right, there's a lack of explosivity. In fact, 544 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: he only didn't stay away from the goose egg and 545 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: explosive rush rate. I think explosive rush rate might be thirteen, 546 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: so he had won between thirteen and twenty. But that's it. 547 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: So he's gonna like writs that three yards and a 548 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: cloud of dust thing because the success rate is actually 549 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: pretty good, right, forty eight percent success rate. You're gonna 550 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: take that and maybe the most impressive number. And this 551 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: is why they like him so much. Jake, is I 552 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: like to account for negative or zero? I guess like not, 553 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: so let's call it non positive. A tenth rate records 554 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 2: of zero is not great either. Some people just do losses, 555 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: but I don't think that's good either. And his was 556 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: down at just twelve percent. That is fantastic. There are 557 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: running backs that operate full workloads up and around or 558 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: above twenty, which is the truth. So he doesn't get 559 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: stopped for nothing, but he's not gonna get you everything. 560 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: And I think the more we kind of talk through 561 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: this analytically, you see why he's gotten replaced without being removed. 562 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Right? He got replaced, There areb 563 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: one kind of got replaced, but he didn't get removed 564 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 2: because his role is still extremely valuable. He's not gonna 565 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 2: give it up. He's not gonna put on the floor. 566 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: He's not gonna burn you. He's not gonna do happy 567 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 2: feet in the backfield and lose your six yards. He 568 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: doesn't do that. And those are like sacks, which we 569 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: all know kill drive. So I'd like Hubbard as a 570 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: real football player. I think I'm off him completely now 571 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: as a fantasy asset. Right, he kind of had that chance, 572 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: didn't run away with it. Man, This has been really 573 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: good episode. When I have quick notes, I keep myself 574 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: from tangenting too much. Last, but not least, of course, 575 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: Denver Broncos high expectations, bottom twelve rush rate, but also 576 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: bottom twelve in EPA per attempt. They were thirty first 577 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: in yards after contact per rush. Not great. You've got RJ. 578 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Harvey to choose from. ADP eighty seven, also very late 579 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: for an RB one depending he had three top ten weeks, 580 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: two top five, so there is some ceiling because of 581 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: the rushing floor. JK. Dobbins ADP. One hundred, no top ten. Again, 582 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: it's all kind of rushing impact. This when I put 583 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: that phrase I mentioned before thunder and lightening, because this 584 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: really is the closest we have to it. Dobbins is 585 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: all the important ground yards and if they're down, he's 586 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: kind of out and they go right to Harvey. So 587 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: you have like weekly floors where you can get games 588 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: scripted out. They both seem startworthy on a per week basis, 589 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: though the Broncos have been known to go to RB three, 590 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: four and five sometimes. I've been finding myself kind of 591 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: out though Harvey's been one of the foilers Jake, and 592 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: when I've seen him in the triple digit ADP, I've 593 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: seen him at pick one hundred, then I'm jumping on board. 594 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: Dobbin's not so much because I like my running backs 595 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: to catch. What do you think about the Broncos tailbacks? 596 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Harvey had the kind of season fall that I 597 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: expected from Trayvon Henderson last year, even though Harvey ended 598 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: on a much better note. Granted that was because JK. 599 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: Dobbins got injured and Harvey came in and he looked solid. 600 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: But I'll be honest, John, I hate this backfield. I 601 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: hate it with a burning, white hot passion because here's 602 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: the thing. 603 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 3: I know that JK. 604 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: Dobbins is going to lead this backfield and touches until 605 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: he gets hurt. But I don't know when that's gonna be, 606 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that I even care because, as 607 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: you said, Dobbins doesn't catch passes. Last year, ten games 608 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: he had eleven catches. He had more games with negative 609 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: receiving yards than games with double digit receiving yards. 610 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 3: So you're just. 611 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: Banking on touchdowns with him and Jonah Coleman. The rookie 612 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: comes in, who I've started to grow to like a lot, 613 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: especially in Dynasty. He's a legitimate three down running back, 614 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: so I think he's more competition for Dobbins straight up 615 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: than Harvey or Julia McLoughlin were last year. So I 616 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: think the bull case for any of these eyes and 617 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: it's picked your your poison. But the ball case is 618 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: the Broncos take a step forward as a scoring offense. 619 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: You know, they bring in Jalen Waddle, bow Knicks just 620 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: continues to improve. 621 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 3: All that's great. 622 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: We expect them to throw less because they threw a 623 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: ton last year, six hundred plus passes from bow Knicks. 624 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: You know bo Nix's late season ankle injury. Maybe he 625 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: doesn't take off and run himself so much and he 626 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: gives that to the actual running backs on the field. 627 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 628 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: It just feels like even when Dobbins was healthy last year, 629 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: he was the RB twenty four in points per game. 630 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: That's fine, that's where you're drafting him. I'm not saying 631 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with that, but I don't know that 632 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: we're getting ten games, John. What if we get five 633 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: games of JK Dobbins as sort of this fringe RB two. 634 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 635 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: I kind of just don't even want to deal with it. 636 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Harvey did anything to usurp Dobbins this year, 637 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: so I'm not banking on him. And yeah, Jonah Coleman 638 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: is somebody I'll probably just look at for a midseason 639 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: waiver pickup, assuming that JK. 640 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: Dobbins gets hurt. 641 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. Coleman passes a lot of the 642 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: sniff tests usage and abilities and both sides of the game. 643 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: But it's always gonna be difficult because you know, last 644 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: year we saw it. You mentioned Julia McLaughlin, right, he 645 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: had at least four carries in eight of their last 646 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: nine games. Those are touches we want. And that as 647 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: if like that wasn't bad enough, you know, Tyler Batty 648 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: made at least one grab in more games than not, 649 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: and it doesn't sound like a lot, but when a 650 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: split backfield is sacrificing seven, eight, nine RB touches, that's 651 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: a bunch of snaps and it just hurts everybody across 652 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 2: the board. I guess I'm still taking Harvey as like 653 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: a flex pick, but I'm with you. I'd say you 654 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: talked me off and I was already kind of heading 655 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: towards the ledge. I'm gonna stick with my If Harvey 656 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: post one hundred, then press yes button. But other than that, 657 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 2: I'm really out. Like you mentioned, not only the Broncos 658 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: really creative with usage. They brought in pieces which is 659 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: going to shake up that etches ketch a gun Jake. 660 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 2: That was really awesome and we got through all six teams. 661 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: Like you said, you believed in us, and you were right. 662 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: So from John mcgay's and mister Jake Shrobridge, thank you 663 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 2: everybody for listening to Fantasy Football Weekly. Hit us up 664 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: on social media if you have any questions, and everyone 665 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 2: enjoy the weekend, take care of