WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Gloomy Sunday 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.320 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by that tiny 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.640 saw they used to cut toothpicks. Instead, it's supported by 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:11.680 the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.320 dot com slash Thinking Sideways to learn more and thanks 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:30.400 Thinking Sideways. I don't understand it. You never know stories 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:35.640 of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, guys, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:40.599 welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:47.680 Am Devin, joined per usu By and Steve. Yeah, before 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.279 we get into this mystery, this is part of our 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.800 summer series. Basically, we're doing shorter kind of episodes to 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.120 allow us to enjoy our summer a little bit because 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.160 we've been doing this for a long time three years now, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.720 three years now out um, and also give us some 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.480 Yeah really we thought we were dead after you know, 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:09.480 six months. You guys just keep listening to us. Yeah really, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.360 just kidding, don't do that. But it's going to give 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.160 us also time to work on some of those bigger 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.920 cases that we've been hoping to work on, which is 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:21.280 pretty good. Yeah, okay, so summer series. Yeah, tonight, we're 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.720 going to talk about a mystery which has a few 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.560 different names. We're going to call it Gloomy Sunday. This 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.399 was a listener suggestion from Mariana. I think it's how 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.920 you say it, So thank you, thanks Marianna. That was 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:40.200 in like fifteen, It wasn't that long ago. Yeah, Gloomy 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.640 Sunday has another name, doesn't it does. It's also known 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:49.400 as the Hungarian suicide song Do Do Do Do. Gloomy 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.800 Sunday is a rough translation of the original song, and 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.520 it's actually the second incarnation of the song. It's a 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.840 cover or a remix almost almost, it's just different lyrics. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:06.600 What what happened was in nineteen thirty two or thirty three, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.880 a Hungarian pianist by the name of Richau schirsch Is. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.640 I think how you say it. I listened to a 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.520 lot of different pronunciations of it, and they all kind 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.960 of sounded like so I'm just gonna say it like that, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:23.560 and this is the only time I'm going to say 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.560 his name. It was probably the best pronunciation yet. Yeah. Um, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.200 And this is no offense to you know, the Hungarian 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.200 language or anything. That's just what it sounded like to 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.480 me on online, So sorry if I got that wrong anyway. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.480 He he composed the music for the song, and then 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.160 he also wrote some original lyrics for the song Um, 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:47.760 and he titled this this particular song the World is Ending. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.240 That's no. A few years after that, a poet decided 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.720 that he could probably do better at the lyrics, so 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.160 he rewrote them and retitled the song Gloomy Sunday. And 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.080 sounds like the composer was kind of in on the 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.600 whole thing. He was. He seemed to think, yeah, okay, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.880 these these are fine. Okay, so he didn't have a 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.400 problem with somebody playing new lyrics to it. It didn't 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.359 sound like it. I think what happened is he wrote 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.720 the song and he really liked the composition, but he 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.600 wrote lyrics even though he wasn't a lyricist, and then 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.960 somebody heard it and said, hey, you know what, actually 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.600 let me try and compose some good lyrics for this, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:25.160 and he was like, okay, fine. It was probably like, hey, 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.560 maybe this version will make some money. Yeah, I mean, well, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.400 we'll talk about that in a little bit. Anyway. Gloomy Sunday, 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:37.880 the updated UM lyrics, was recorded and released in ninety five, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.760 and as I said, it's kind of the more widely 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.360 accepted version of the song. The song isn't really a mystery, right, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.240 very obvious. You can find on the net, you can 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.040 listen to it can be careful. We'll play a little 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.720 bit of it um in just a second. But the 0:03:55.760 --> 0:04:00.000 real mystery here is that apparently the song is responsible 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.200 for at least nineteen suicides. So the mystery is does 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.040 this song actually drive people to commit suicide? This a 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.120 little depressing. It sounds like a dirge when you listen 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.320 to it. It's pretty sad. Well, and you know, furthermore 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.320 I want to know is that is it is it 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.239 deadly and only the original language, or is it deadly 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.520 in all languages? Well, and we'll talk about all those 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.320 things in a minute. Sweet First, we'll talk a little 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.880 bit more history of the song itself, and also listen 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.360 to a little bit of the song and also do 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.560 dramatic reading of the lyrics. Joe has to do the dramatic, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.200 so he's going to actually I've I've actually got William 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.599 Shat to show up and do that. Oh thank god. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.680 I've been wanting the shot in studio for so long. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.920 So I wait for that knock. We're going to play 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.920 a little bit of the song, probably about fifteen seconds. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.720 I guess skip it. If you're scared, if you're a 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:57.480 little stitious, skip it. Yeah, you know, I'm not superstitious, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:04.400 but I'm a little stitious. Okay, you kids in your 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.560 new fangled words. Anyway, here we go. Here's fifteen seconds 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:34.479 of the very beginning of this song. You're back, good, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:40.320 you made it out the other side. He congratulations, out 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.960 of the oven. I don't know if you can say 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.800 that or not, but we'll just keep going. So the 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.600 song that we've been talking about is actually kind of 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.760 two different songs. And that's not just the little bit 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.479 that we talked about a second ago. This goes further 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.480 than that. So the original song, we're just gonna say 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:04.360 gloomy one day, the five version original song. Fine will 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.520 ignore the old lyrics that. We'll ignore that for just 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.520 a minute. Okay, people to suicide, right, Well, I don't know. 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:17.200 In ninety six, Hal Kemp, he's an American jazz musician. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:18.480 If you don't know who he has, look I'm up. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.800 Awesome awesome artist recorded a new kind of americanized version 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.760 of the song. Um and the lyrics were by Desmond Carter, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.839 who was worked often with Gershwin and Um. It was 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.400 really just a staple of American music at the time. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.880 A few years later, Billy Holliday recorded the same version, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.960 the same americanized version, Yeah, exactly, and it became a 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:46.279 huge hit. A lot of people really covered this thing that. Yeah, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.800 there have been a ton of versions. I would encourage you, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.760 if you are curious, to go out to the Wikipedia page, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.719 which I know is everybody's favorite thing that I say, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.520 But go out to the Wikipedia page and just look. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.479 I there were more than I bothered to count. I 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:05.560 actually have a feeling that this is the go to 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:11.480 we need a tenth track on the record, so hey, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.480 just record this and sticking in there. Yeah, like it's 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.320 just it's a filler. I gotta tell you, though, I did. Really, 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.520 I'm not I have. I've never really appreciated Billy Holiday 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.160 that much, and I really liked her version of it. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.680 I loved Billy Holiday what I expected of it from her. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:34.400 Having listened to some of her stuff before, I was like, oh, gosh, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.480 it's actually she actually did a good job. I should 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.400 listening to it. I haven't. I haven't heard it. So 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.720 of note, you know, Billy Holiday did a did a 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.960 version of it. Um Rach Charles did a version of it. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.840 Eda Jones, Elvis Costello did a version of it, did 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.960 a version of it. Peter Wolfe did a cop a 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.239 cover of it. I think Shad O'Connor did a version 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.560 of it. Sarah McLaughlin did a cover of it, of course, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:05.160 Sarah mcla course she did. I think even Um York 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.560 might have even done. She did a version of that's 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.520 actually the only version that I'm I'm not a fan 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.600 of York. How do you say it? By the way, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.400 I know I'm screwing it up every time I want 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:19.920 to say York, Is that correct? I just I think 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:24.320 that's wrong. Yeah. I actually really liked her version. It 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.240 was and I'm not a fan of her work either. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.360 She actually she recorded it for do you guys know who? 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:34.000 Do you guys know who? Alexander McQueen is not Steve McQueen, No, No, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.040 Alexander McQueen. He's like one of my favorite fashion designers 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.959 of all times ever died in a two thousand ten 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.520 and that's Byork performed it recorded that the gloomy Sunday 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.080 for his funeral or his commemoration. Got it? Uh, you 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.520 know it's funny, is I didn't know it was. It 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.640 was in the soundtrack of Wrist Cutters. Have you guys 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.720 seen that movie. It's just a I mean, it's a 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.679 pretty prolific song. Yeah, it's it's rist Cutters colon a 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.800 love Stories. It's a great movie. That's where I learned 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:11.520 the phrase the p i C the people in charge. Oh, 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.320 I like it every now and again. You'll hear me. 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.679 It's got to be the p i C. It's people 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.280 in charge. We've just always glossed over that. Well, yeah, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.200 you two ignored because you didn't get my reference, got it? Well? Okay, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.640 So the interesting thing about Billie Holliday's version of this 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.880 song is that reportedly the BBC actually banned it from 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.800 being played on any of their radio stations. They banned 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:40.280 music in general, didn't they know, I mean the love 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.679 band thing. Yeah, don't worry, I mean okay, so they 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.440 said that it was they cited detriment. It was detrim 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:51.000 detrimental to um morale. Yeah, morale like wartime morale. But 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.839 I'm don't worry. They have lifted the band. Um, they 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:59.160 lifted it in um. So you know, just just when 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.000 Gland was really recovering from the war, the wheels of 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.480 bureaucracy grind slowly. Well, apparently they didn't grind so slowly 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.240 when they were banning the thing, because they happen pretty Yeah, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.040 let's go ahead and just take a moment to listen 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.360 to Joe dramatically read the lyrics. Okay, we gotta wait 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:21.000 for Shot to show up. Didn't show up. I'm going 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.720 to do it, but I'm going to use his voice, 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:27.920 his voice. Okay, this so for everyone. This is the original, original, original, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.240 if the one that's actually called The World is ending? Yeah, okay, 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.560 autumn is slipping and the yellowing leaves. He died in 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.880 the land of human love. Who was in the autumn wind? 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.960 Crying tears? My eye has a new spring. Does not 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.320 expect our hope in vain. I cry and suffer in vain, heartless, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.880 greedy and bad people. He died of love. End of 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.559 the world, the end of hope. Cities are destroyed, shrapnel 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.359 is making music. People's blood and meadows are colored red. 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.720 They're people on the streets everywhere. Once again, I said 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.840 another quiet prayer, sir. People are fallible and make mistakes. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.920 It's the end of the world. That wasn't too melodramatic there, Yeah, 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.160 you went from Shatner to a bit irish to then 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.920 just reading that was that was the complete and total, 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.160 full range of Joe. That's why I'm not an actor. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.839 That I mean, so the lyrics are for what was 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.000 going on in the time. It totally makes sense what 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.080 was going on in the world in general and thirty Yeah, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.840 and as I understand it, actually the composer and his 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.360 girlfriend had just broken up and he was pretty cut 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.640 up about it. Was it the composer or the second 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.880 composer who had broken up with his girlfriend? I think 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.800 it was the composer. I thought it was the second 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.920 one who had just gone through a breakup, you know. Frankly, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:56.600 I don't know. They may have both happened. Stranger things 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.560 have happened. I mean, this composer did seem to be 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.960 a pretty unhappy guy in general. He was They called 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.560 him just like a staunch nationalist. He you know. So 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.360 this song made it big in America, so he had 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.560 the rights to a lot of royalties in America, but 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.079 he had to go claim them and he just refused. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.720 He said, no, um, I'm only going to make money 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.520 of this in Hungary. It's he only play. I'm going 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.760 to make money off this, and the royalties there were 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.160 like pretty beautiful. He actually he was kind of you know, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.000 Van go Esque in his in his time because people 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.720 kind of liked what he was doing. But he wasn't 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:38.320 really collecting royalties, and he basically died in poverty, so 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.240 too bad. He seemed like he was not the happiest 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.840 of guys anyway. The lyrics that were rewritten so that 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:49.240 it became the official gloomy Sunday version of the song, Um, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.400 we should probably listen to those two because that's the 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.280 one that was getting played every Yeah, so Joe, do 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.360 you want to do the owners again? Still was in here, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.040 damn on a sad Sunday with a hundred white flowers. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:07.440 I was waiting for you, not just kidding. He's doing 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.080 it in reverse this time he's eating a monotone, then irish. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.800 Then yeah, on a sad Sunday with a hundred white flowers. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.480 I was waiting for you, my dear, with the church 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.240 prayer that dream chasing Sunday morning, the charity of my 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.920 sadness returned without you. Ever since then, Sundays are always sad. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.440 Tears in my drink, and sorrow was my bread. Sad Sunday, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.280 Last Sunday, My dear, please come along. They were leaving 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:36.040 me priest coffin catalfac herst cloth. Even then, flowers will 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.480 be awaiting you, flowers and coffin under blossoming trees. My 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.400 journey be the last. My eyes will be open so 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.920 that I can see you one more time. Do not 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.520 be afraid of my eyes, as I'm blessing you, even 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:53.920 in my death. Last Sunday. Also super happy. This is 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.959 such a cheery song. What I love is in the 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.480 in the in the song is that not just the 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.080 whole moping, that's the whole thing. But they have to 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.439 have the church bell in there, which is super creepy 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.360 and again very few real Yeah, yeah, yeah I can. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.880 Did you guys ever watch that that internet cartoon Happy 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.880 Tree Friends? Remember that? Yeah? We started watching that reason this. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.720 This is the kind of thing that I could see them. Actually, 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.600 the guys who make that are the folks that make 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.560 that making this into an episode which would just be 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.960 another gore fest as all of their things. Absolutely, Okay, 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.200 you've seen it before, you just don't remember it. I've 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.720 showed them to you. I watched all of Oh no, 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.000 I do remember that that was that was like three 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.360 or four or five years. All bunnies and squirrels get 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.680 cut in half, remember that. Yeah, this is that sort 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.960 of thing. Yeah, and it's probably worth just briefly reading 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.360 the Billy Holiday lyrics as well, because apparently we're padding 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:57.200 episodes these days. Well they added, they added, it's different. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.280 It's not any fourth um they well, no, the I 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:06.040 thought it was that the second version was added to. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.040 In other words, they took at the end, they added 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.760 another is it a stanza? Is that correct? They added 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:17.320 a fourth stanza, which essentially made the whole thing sound 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.440 as if it was a dream the singer was having 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.680 instead of actually committing suicide or killing themselves. Well, this 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.640 is all alluding to, well, why don't I read the 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.880 Billy Holiday version because you know, these back past two 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.080 lyrics that we've read are obviously just translated from Hungarian, 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.440 so they're not written to be a song in English necessarily, 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.080 which is why we have this americanized version which was 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.680 meant to be sung in English, so it has a 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.240 different tone to it a little bit. So why don't 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.000 we just read this real quick and I'll read it, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.280 because you know it's Billy Holliday so check me. I'm 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.240 not gonna change my voice at all. Please do your 0:15:55.240 --> 0:16:03.760 best chat. No, Sunday is gloomy. My hours, uh sorry, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.640 Sunday is gloomy. My hours are slumberless. Dearest, the shadows 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.760 I live with, our numberless little white flowers will never 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.680 waken you, not where the black coach of sorrow has 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.200 taken you. Angels have no thought of ever returning you. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.680 Why would they be angry if I thought of joining you? 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.120 Gloomy Sunday. Gloomy is Sunday with shadows. I spend it 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.560 all my heart, and I have decided to end it all. Soon. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.040 There will be candles and prayers that are said I know. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.640 Let them not weep, let them know that I'm glad 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.040 to go. Death is no dream, for in death, I'm 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.960 caressing you with the last breath of my soul. I'll 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.840 be blessing you, Gloomy Sunday dreaming I was only dreaming. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.120 I wake up to find you asleep in the deep 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.600 of my heart. Dear darling, I hope that my dream 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.760 has never haunted you. My heart is telling you how 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.800 much I wanted you. Gloomy Sunday. So yeah, they added 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.840 the stands of like it was just a dream. But 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:01.800 that's for takeing real dark. Oh yeah, it's definitely about suicide, 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.320 as are these other two versions of the song. And 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:09.000 I think in every language the song is about killing yourself. Well, 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.960 and I think I personally this is my personal opinion, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.840 and I am pretty sure that that that last stands 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.000 about making it into a dream is added because if 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.080 you remember the way censorship was when like the when 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.399 Billy Holliday did her version, is that they couldn't just 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.720 push that through the sensors. I mean it's like, um, 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:35.440 there is This was ten or fifteen years later. There's 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.200 the Roy Orbison song. I want to say it's it's 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.119 not Layla, but the one where he's he's getting oysters 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.199 and he's swimming down with you know, it's it's the 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.560 free dive and he gets his hands stuck in a 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.400 clam and it bites down on him, and the whole 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.960 song at the end is that it's him. It's everything's 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.480 getting dark, it's getting cold, Like I'm amazed that got 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.600 through the sensors because they were so they were so 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:06.600 stern at the time. Yeah, exactly, remember that actually so 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.640 not happy in any any version of it. Definitely referencing 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.200 suicide versions of it. So let's talk about the deaths 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.920 that this song is supposedly responsible for. Thank you for 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.560 getting supposedly, Yeah, no problem, What do you mean supposedly? Well, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:28.040 apparently eighteen suicides in Hungary had quote unquote close links 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:32.240 with Gloomy Sunday. Uh. There was a Time magazine article 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.040 called music calling the Suicide Song that was published in 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.560 UM March of nineteen thirty six. I read part of 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.120 this article, but you can't get past two paragraphs without 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.320 having subscription at Time, and I don't have a subscription 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:52.880 at time broke, so um I did not purchase said subscription. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.119 But luckily there are enough articles around the internet that 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.240 have just totally you know, copy pasted from that article 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:05.760 that I have the information In this article in from 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:10.719 you know nineteen thirty six, they talk about Hungarian shoemaker 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.679 by the name of Joseph Keller, and police were reportedly 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:20.560 investigating his death and thinking that Gloomy Sunday was responsible 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.399 for it because he left a note in which he 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:27.560 quoted some of the lyrics from Gloomy Sunday. Okay, quote unquote. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:33.120 Several bodies were found clutching the songs sheet music upon 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.800 their suicides or upon their discovery they were floating in 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.560 the river right in the Danube. Yeah that yeah, this 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.080 this makes me wonder if maybe somebody was trying to 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.879 it was actually murdering people, trying to frame the composer, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.000 and and it's like, imagine this frustration. He keeps killing 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.000 people and planning this on them, and they keep saying, 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.760 oh my god, another suicide. Yeah, this is insane, it's crazy. Um. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.159 Two people reportedly shot themselves while listening to different bands 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.520 play the song. There's some songs that that really do 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:04.720 make you one. I know of plenty these that makes 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.159 me want to stick my head in the oven. Is 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:14.360 apparently at least one other person, but maybe more, had 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.600 been found to have taken their own life while listening 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:23.640 to Gloomy Sunday So Hungry band the song right rational Yeah. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.440 And then you know, in the n eighteen thirties there 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.679 were apparently attempted suicides and actual suicides that we were 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.800 being reported in conjunction with Gloomy Sunday. As we said, 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.600 the BBC did bann the song entirely and reportedly although 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.400 I've never seen anything to corroborate this Reportedly, certain outlets 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.000 in the US refused to play the song. That seems 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.080 silly to me. Also, it was such a big hit, 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.000 like Billy It's It's on one of Bill Holidays, like 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:54.720 Greatest Hits things. It was a huge song for her, 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.800 and it's silly to assume that outlets were not playing 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.080 the song. It not as though it's you know, two 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.280 thousand and sixteen. People are downloading and like getting it anyway, 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.600 even if the radio is not playing, that's not happening. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.200 Then the radio is playing it or people are pretty 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.680 much not hearing it. Yeah, because records and a gramophone, 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.480 we're not a cheap purchase. So it's not as if 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.320 music was easy to get, not as easy as not 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.440 at all. Apparently, reportedly, there are more than a hundred 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.560 deaths connected to Gloomy Sunday. This is a air quotes, 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:34.480 yes death according to the Internet at this point. Yeah, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.960 it's all according to the Internet. Okay. So I was 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:41.800 gonna ask because I couldn't find any of the easily, 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.280 and I admittedly just kind of thought about it earlier 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.840 today and started trying to find uh, you know, you 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.800 can find in Google sometimes copies and newspapers, but The 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.240 problem is is that I don't know how to read Hungarian, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.280 so I was trying to find something that translated that. 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:58.000 So it was it was just it was utter a 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.880 crap show of my research process here. But it does 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.639 have either of you seen anything that actually points to 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.520 actual reports or newspaper accounts. Now? Is it all just 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.240 summations on the internet. Um, for the most part. I 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.800 mean they reference, you know, in a blah blah blah 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:21.920 article in you know, this year a woman named Lauren 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.960 drowned herself in the river clutching you know, I'm I'm 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.680 making that one up. I'm just pulling that from pieces. 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.919 But they'll say they'll cite their sources, but you know, 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.480 you always fall the link in there. It's like link 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.600 not found and it's you know, to a PDF that 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.720 was scanned at one point of an article in Hungarian 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.040 and you just have to take people's word for it. Um, 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:49.840 I'm disinclined to believe most of the stories. Well. Yeah. 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.000 The thing about it is too is this if there's 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.320 a connection, and there might be in a sense, but 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.720 it's a reverse connection. Because people who are depressed tanty 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.920 like they like to pressing music, you know, they will 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.440 seek that stuff out. Yeah, totally, So not it necessarily 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.760 cause of it. No, there's definitely there's definitely bands that 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:10.840 you know, there's rough times in all of our lives 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.840 where you've you look back through your your music collection. 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.200 I was about to say CD collection. You look back 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.159 through your music collection and you're like, wow, I have 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:24.000 like five albums from this one bad and that is 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:31.200 such a melancholy batch. Well, I even have it from 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.679 I've had the what is it it's Deathcat for Cutie. 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.320 Remember all of their stuff was That's all A lot 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.920 of that is the same vein. I was a teenage 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:41.200 girl in the early two thousands, so yes, I remember that. 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:44.840 I listened to it all the time, and you know, 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.159 I thought it was great, and then they did other stuff. 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.199 But after now I look back and like, oh, it 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.119 comes up on what I'll listen to my stuff on randomly, 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.600 like that that one about We'll go together in the dark. Yeah, 0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:00.800 that I'll follow you into the dark. I've that's real 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.440 and h it's uh. There's another one that they cover 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:07.520 that's by um Iron and Wine, who is also it's 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.679 not Iron and Wine, that's the album name. Who is 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.280 it that has the album is called Iron and Wine. 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:15.600 No it is. It is Iron and Wine. I'm I'm 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.920